Updated: November 19, 2012 
Updated: November 21, 2012

Still wanting more stills from Star Trek: The Next Generation – Season 2 on Blu-Ray? Can’t wait until the December 4th Release Date? TrekCore has got hold of another collection of wonderfully remastered HD stills from the second season, thanks to our friends at Amazon.de & Paramount Germany. The images are all just shy of full 1080p HD resolution so you can get a better appreciation of the level of detail on display in the remastered second season!

Original SD (DVD) Remastered HD (Blu-Ray)
Data takes the stand in TNG 2×09 ‘The Measure of a Man
Riker holds Data’s detatched arm from TNG 2×09 ‘The Measure of a Man
The Enterprise orbits Daled IV from TNG 2×10 ‘The Dauphin
The Enterprise orbits Starbase Montgomery from TNG 2×14 ‘The Icarus Factor
The Enterprise orbits Drema IV from TNG 2×15 ‘Pen Pals
Note – this is a higher resolution version of the same shot we posted earlier
The Enterprise is held in the Borg Cube’s tractor beam from TNG 2×16 ‘Q Who
The Enterprise fires at the Borg Cube in TNG 2×16 ‘Q Who
The Enterprise inflicts damage on the Borg Cube in TNG 2×16 ‘Q Who
The away team explore the mysterious Borg Cube in TNG 2×16 ‘Q Who
The Enterprise orbits Antede III in TNG 2×19 ‘Manhunt

UPDATE (Nov 19): We’ve got a further selection of new preview images for Season 2! Check them out below, with the original SD DVD stills to compare with.

Original SD (DVD) Remastered HD (Blu-Ray)
Wesley and Salia on the holodeck in TNG 2×10 ‘The Dauphin
The Enterprise orbits Starbase Montgomery from TNG 2×14 ‘The Icarus Factor
Geological calamities strike the Dreman planet in TNG 2×15 ‘Pen Pals
The Enterprise and the Mondor from TNG 2×17 ‘Samaritan Snare

UPDATE (Nov 21):

Original SD (DVD) Remastered HD (Blu-Ray)
The Enterprise alongside the Repulse in TNG 2×01 ‘The Child
Picard talks to Guinan in TNG 2×01 ‘The Child
The Enterprise orbits ‘aucdet IX in TNG 2×01 ‘The Child
The Enterprise approaches Science Station Tango Sierra in TNG 2×01 ‘The Child
Picard, Pulaski and Data analyze Nagilum in TNG 2×02 ‘Where Silence Has Lease
Data and Geordi playing Sherlock Holmes in TNG 2×03 ‘Elementary, Dear Data

As we’ve mentioned before, this blu-ray set comes loaded with new material including never before seen deleted scenes, a gag reel, a full one-hour cast reunion, an extended edition of ‘The Measure of a Man’ and SO much more! If you haven’t already – pre-order Season 2 below so you get it on release date in your country. All Amazon stores have significantly discounted the title – at the time of writing it’s under $65 in the U.S.£47.00 in the U.K. and under 57,00EUR in Germany!

Order Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 1 Blu-Ray today!



Order Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 2 Blu-Ray today!




  • archer923

    The planets from manhunt and dauphin are okay. But again the pixelated mess with Montgomery. Why is the second team so inconstant. At least the deflector dish isn’t as blown out. I assume they added the pinkish tinge to the ENT. Because of Daled IV having a strong atmosphere. And what’s up with the squished ENT, in Time Squared. How can you screw up a stock composite shot… I really hope these guys up their game, when they work on Season 4.

  • Chris Jay

    Enterprise seems kinda smushed in this shot:
    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/cbs_icarussbmontgomery_hd.jpg

  • Tony Todd’s Tears

    Wow! Borg Cube looks real fake in HD!

  • JonnoBreadBin

    Part of me wonders whether part of this is down to the way things were shot in Season 2. It does seem very different from the season 1 stuff.

  • Chris Jay

    This shot:
    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/cbs_penpalsdrema4_hd.jpg

    Uses the same Enterprise element as this shot:
    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/cbs_icarussbmontgomery_hd.jpg

    Yet the latter is squashed…

    • Quinn

      The nacelles are at two different angles in those comparisons – they’re close, but not quite the same element.

      • Chris Jay

        Because the ship or should I say camera yaws in the shot, the shot of the Enterprise in the closer shot is a later section of the same pass as the more distant shot…

        Regardless, the second shot, the Enterprise is squished horizontally…

  • Bart

    This cannot be real! If this is the overall quality for season 2, I’ll pass on this one. How great season 1 looks, how awfull season 2 looks. The Enterprise deflector dish and warp nacelles are over saturated. The shots from QWho with the E firing on the Borg Cube look worse than a computer game. If the shots do look this bad with the original model why not recreate them beautifully with the CGI version?

    This result is bad, really bad…

    • archer923

      Because, as they said in the interviews. They aren’t going to replace things that are available in HD. As for the technical mistakes, no excuses.

      • Bart

        In season 1 the results of keeping the original footage was superb. The same level of quality should be expected for all seasons, not only the ones CBS-D is doing. The Okudas are supervising the remastering process, unbelievable they let this pass…

        • archer923

          Quality can fluctuate on a season by season basis. The effects team has only a limited time to do things. Which is why not a lot of new ships where made for TNG. And they cut corners with the 2 foot model.

          Which is why the 2 footer was basically never used after a certain point. And why the 4 footer replaced the 6 footer. But the second team doing the work on S2, isn’t up to par, as CBS-D is.

  • Bart

    It’s obvious they want to stick to the original model work… But if the 2 foot model looks so bad in those shots with the cube, what’s the point of keeping them? And the cube, come on, it is as if a kid smashed this together from a couple of model kits (which they probably did, but it never showed on SD). This is not ‘highly detailed’, it only shows how bad it looks when showing the inferior models on bluray…

    • archer923

      They keep them because this isn’t TOS-R. And the Borg Cube is a kitbash of models. It always was. In till they switched over to CGI. Either way, they would get complaints. People who want things to to look real. And people who want things left alone. Regardless of “fake” issues. Because that’s what was possible in 1988.

      • Chris Jay

        Well, I’m glad CBS-D is doing Season 3…

        • archer923

          I agree. Too many mini mistakes and cut corners. They really need to stop with the 2015 deadline. When it obviously shows they’re rushing.

          • Chris Jay

            See if CBS-D is doing Season 3… I assume this company is doing Season 4… which means CBS-D would be doing Season 5, Season 6 would be this company, and Season 7 would be CBS-D… if I assume correctly…

          • archer923

            Yeah. That’s probably right. They really better not screw up Best of Both worlds with these rush goof ups.

    • New Horizon

      Well, I can finally say with certainty now. I WILL NOT be buying ANY of the seasons touched by HTV Illuminate. They have effectively killed my enthusiasm for season 2. What an utter disappointment. The compositing work is terrible. How we went from Season 1 quality to THIS, I will never know. Oh well, thanks for outsourcing the project CBS. You’ve saved me 3 seasons worth of TNG on Bluray that I no longer need to buy.

  • New Horizon

    The ship just doesn’t look like it’s part of the scene like it did in season 1. Just looks like a layer pasted on. Looks crisp, but the fit an finish is pretty sloppy / lackluster.

  • Jaro Stun

    unbelievable. my enthusiasm for S2 is going down rocket fast with every new screencap. This looks even worse now. The planet shots are just flat, original SD shots look better from compositing perspective and overall scene lighting.

    This is incredible how they screwed up this project that started SO WELL.

    I hope this is not the case for S3.

    At any rate a SUPER MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT for christmas. THANKS A LOT, whatever company is doing S2.

    • Ashley Williams

      I’m reserving final judgement until I see it first hand. Sometimes a static picture just isn’t the same as seeing it in motion. Most of the new shots look at least better than what we saw a couple weeks ago. My only complaint is the 2 foot model attacking the borg.

      • hypnotoad72

        When motion (24FPS) is factored in, the lower still quality won’t be as bad… it’s still a step down regardless, but it is a valid nitpick.

        The 2′ model the creators used in 1988 is what we’re stuck with. Given the CGI shot in “Hide and Q” where the Enterprise powers back up with the lights, the hull’s color was wrong, too bright, and as the dialogue stated the ship was going as if it never stopped, the power-back effect (neat as it was) made no sense… where am I going with this? The main goal of the project was to re-use all existing film sequences, using CGI only when utterly necessary. It would cost more to do a CGI replacement of every 2′ or 4′ model of the Enterprise… while the 2′ model lacked definition, I didn’t notice in 1989 when it aired and Blu-Ray will test the quality of ANYTHING shot on film thanks to having higher resolution.
        Where the show counts the most (film restoration) they’ve been most passable on. The planets are probably the weakest link of the new restoration, but everything else does look passable. Yes, they could have done better. No, it’s not a ‘fail’, epic or otherwise.

    • Chris Jay

      CBS-D is doing Season 3, so you can expect the same quality as Season 1.

      HTV is doing Season 2.

  • Anyone notice the new set extension matt painting for the Borg Cube interior shot? I think the new shot looks better.

    • trekcore

      The new CGI extension painting is beautifully done… and it almost bridges the gap between this first view of the cube and the Borg “look” we see in later episodes! I’m sure in motion it will look even better – from the Fathom trailer we can see steam coming out of vents…. VERY cool!

      • archer923

        This really confused me. They painstaking matched the matte painting. But would do stupid things in other places.

        • hypnotoad72

          Some of it is due to the source material; I think they used the 2′ model back in 1988, noting the Enterprise there is somewhat in the distance.

          Some of the starfield shots showing the stars looking a little soft (and big), but it’s not a deal-breaker by any measure (IMHO)

    • Ashley Williams

      I sure did. I was like OMG did we get a new matte painting? ……….yes we did and it looks great!

      • Laughingman

        I actually like having a new matt, but I too am confused here? if they’re going to do new matts, why didn’t we get three new matts to represent Starfleet headquarters in Conspiracy? Because I have to say, seeing thee reused shots, even in HD of some 23rd century Tellerites just standing around doing nothing- that was painful enough in SD, but this project was the perfect chance to fix something like that where they didnt have the time or money to make a matt for Starfleet HQ, and they didnt. So why are they now going out of their way to do a new matt for the Borg Cube? Was there a missing or damaged element or was the original matt painting no longer available? I really am curious to know?

        • trekcore

          From what I gather they will only replace a matte painting if they can’t find the original elements. So my hunch is that the Borg interior was done through necessity rather than creative choice.

          • Laughingman

            Hrm… well, if you guys do another round of interviews, I think this is something that should be brought up. Both about getting a new CGI Borg matt, and that they should have done a new matt for Conspiracy. 🙂 Personally, I dont see what all the fuss is about, most of these shots look fine to me. Better than they used to anyway. However, in all three shots of the Borg cube, I too cant help but notice that it’s the same star field in all three shots even though its from different angles. That is lazy. Everything else though, looks fine and dandy to me.

          • hypnotoad72

            It’s so much the better, then, especially given the amount of detail put into it. (though the starfield nitpick probably won’t be as quickly noticed when in motion, I hope… but such a tactic does reduce costs, but my old graphic design instructor would have complained if I tried such a thing!)

    • agreed, it looks better than the original. but those lights in the upper right corner… don’t tell me they look pixelated because of jpg compression.

  • Ashley Williams

    Unlike the earlier shots that were posted a lot of the new planet shots look a lot better than the other season 2 shots we’ve been seeing. I hope the bad ones get fixed. However the 2 foot enterprise shows up again in the shot with the borg. It looks bad and doesn’t hold up. They should really have replaced it.

    • trekcore

      Agreed.The shots of the planets are different to Season 1 – there’s no denying that – but I don’t have a problem with the style of them.

      • Chris Jay

        I agree, but I think the stars could’ve been a little more closer to Season 1…

      • archer923

        It’s not the style choices HTV picks. It’s the corners they cut that annoy me. They are obviously not making all the textures of the planets themselves. And are using lower res photos.

    • Chris Jay
      • archer923

        The back was probably only really meant to be seen. It was featured in that position in S1 the most. Then they used it more for scale shots. And to film faster. The 6 footer was a pain.

        • Chris Jay

          I think they could’ve shot the 6 footer, of course they would’ve had to shoot closely due to it’s size, but then just scale the layer(s) down when putting the show together…

          • archer923

            The camera has to be physically far enough, to a certain point, in order to fake scaling. The 6 footer was shot upside down. And the motion control setup was probably too huge to allow it. While as the 2 footer, you just plop it down, right side up and light it.

          • Chris Jay

            Yea, but I still think they could’ve made it match the 6 footer a little better, even a 2 foot model is pretty big…

          • archer923

            The model makers slacked off on it. That was the issue lol.

      • hypnotoad72

        For that angle, definitely. Unfortunately, other angles quickly reveal the 2′ model’s limitations, such as the other Borg ship stills where we see the front (forward) of the ship. It’s what they did in 1988 and only looks more prominent now. Since that’s the primary goal, I’m bound to be happy with what is coming out, even if they did go the extra mile for season 1.

        Archer9234 is correct as well; the 6′ model was a pain, and the 2′ model lacked detail – the 4′ model was conceived and built when season 3 was commissioned…

  • Chris Jay
    • archer923

      They should of re positioned the ILM space field layer. We saw it in the documentaries. It’s 3X the size of the actual frame. This is pure laziness. They probably just repeated the space movement too.

      • Chris Jay

        Well, I don’t know if HTV is using the same starfield CBS-D used, certainly doesn’t look it…

        • archer923

          They have to. Why would they not be using the shows ILM starfield layer. It’s already ready for use.

          • Chris Jay

            If they are, they didn’t shrink it far enough, as the detail the stars had in Season 1 are not apparent in these shots…

            From Season 1:
            http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1×14/angelone_hd_005.jpg

          • archer923

            At this point. I wouldn’t be surprised if the star-layer was enlarged. And they forgot it.

    • omg it’s so cheap!

    • New Horizon

      Yup, and looking at the original SD versions..they didn’t use the same star image. Unbelievable.

  • SpaceDwarf

    The Borg tractor beam isn’t centered on the saucer (2nd battle scene), the Enterprise’s phaser is an orange-ish line instead of a burning hot beam (3rd battle scene), the first ship shot is lacking any kind of shadows at all, and in the second one the port side Bussard collector is too red and has been cut too roughly (no light leakage). And that’s just stuff that stands out the most.
    Terrible, absolutely terrible, and all because CBS wanted this project finished in 3 rather than 4 years.

  • New Horizon

    Where can we write to share our issues with HTV-Illuminates handling of Season 2?

    • M. Wright

      Has it been confirmed that HTV is the house doing the CG work? If you go to HTV’s website, it doesn’t seem like they do much CG work (which would explain the lesser results if they are indeed doing the CG work), they do analog to digital, SD to HD conversion and general film scanning to digital intermediaries. So it seems like they might just be the company that does the raw film scanning for all the seasons. Their credit list page lists TNG under “iConform” for multiple seasons. Which is their process for matching SD reference video to newly scanned HD versions of raw footage.

      • Chris Jay

        HTV is doing Season 2, they scanned all the film and composited it all, they did the whole shebang for Season 2.

        • M. Wright

          What’s the deal with the mentions of Dan Curry being involved with Season 2? It’s mentioned in the interviews with Ryan Adams and David Grant from CBS Home Video talks about Dan Curry being involved. One wonders just how involved he was, if this is the end result of their work with HTV…

          • M. Wright

            Doh! somehow I missed that Dan Curry is an employee of HTV these days… The work shown so far is not exactly a ringing endorsement of what was once a guy on the cutting edge of VFX in the TNG/DS9 days.
            http://www.htvinc.com/content/content.php?content=Company Profiles&subchoice=company-profiles&subnav=about-htv&hx=2500

          • New Horizon

            Dan Curry works there? Heh, I guess that’s why HTV-Illuminate got the job of doing Seasons 2, 4, and 6. Unbelievable how poor a job they did considering one of the original guys is involved.

  • Matt

    Everyone bitching about HTV – stop stressing. I trust Mike and Denise Okuda to make sure it all holds up!

    • New Horizon

      No offense, but it’s NOT holding up. All you have to do is look at the shots to see. All of this ‘oh, wait to see it in motion’ is nonsense. From the moment I got saw the first Season one shot of the Enterprise D by CBS Digital last year, it was saved and put on my desktop background. When you look at any of the shots by HTV Illuminate using the exact same stock shot of the Enterprise, it doesn’t look anywhere near as good. Sorry, it just doesn’t….and the sloppy work we’re seeing in the rest of the shots speak volumes.

      The live action footage looks great but the compositing work is well below the standard established by Season 1. I expected that level of attention to be given to all seasons, and I won’t pay for anything less.

      I would like to have contact information for both CBS and HTV-Illuminate so that I can ‘politely’ express how upset I am with the lack of quality control.

      • Matt

        These shots are not 1080p. They may also be suffering from jpg compression. Which to me doesn’t give me anything to stress about, yet.

        Who is to say these are even final composits? The Season 2 trailer on the season 1 dvd has already been admitted to have temporary composits in it – which to me throws up the wait and see flag.

        You can find their contact info on each of their websites

        http://www.cbsdvfx.com/contact.html
        http://www.htvinc.com/

        • Chris Jay

          According to what I see…

          This shot:
          http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/cbs_manhuntantede3_hd.jpg

          Is 1080p, it says it’s 1460 x 1080…

          • Matt

            All the others show as width=”1352″ height=”999″

          • Capt Dunsel

            No it’s not 1080p. At the top of the page it tells you clearly that the screenshots are just shy of full 1080p HD resolution so that you can appreciate the greater detail when you see it on blu-ray.

        • New Horizon

          …we’ve been told in a previous post that these ARE the final composits. These shots are not temporary. What exactly are we supposed to wait and see? If the set sucks after plunking down 80 to 100 bucks? Nonsense. If the product isn’t up to snuff, it’s our right as consumers to say so…and I’m saying so.

          • Matt

            Don’t pre-order it then. Wait until it is out and read a review. If you’re still dubious go hire it first.

          • New Horizon

            As I’ve already stated above. I’ve seen enough of their work to say that I will absolutely not be buying any of the seasons made by HTV-Illuminate.

      • trekcore

        Seriously? This is a ridiculous over-reaction. Of course it’s going to look different – it’s a different FX/Post-House. As other people pointed out, Dan Curry was on-board for part of this season, and he is KNOWN for preferring a more subtle, less saturated look.

        You’re condemning a whole season based on a few stills of planet orbits!? They make up a vanishingly tiny percentage of the final episode, and you are making a judgement on that? Ridiculous.

        • ThunderBlade

          He’s the customer. He has the right to over-react. It’s right that the planet orbits shots are only a tiny percentage of the episode, but it’s the moments we enjoy most when seeing a remastered episode.

        • New Horizon

          No offense intended, but compared to Season 1…which it should be compared to, this really goes beyond a less saturated / subtle look. The work is sloppy. A different FX/Post house should not have made a lick of difference. This is 2012 for goodness sake. Technology allows for stuff like this to be rather easily shared. CBS should have protected the quality of their investment in some way by putting some quality assurance in place. I’m not over-reacting, I’m simply voicing my complete and utter displeasure with how this season was handled. I’ve written to both CBS and HTV-Illuminate. How they proceed on Seasons 4 and 6 is up to them, but I won’t buy those Seasons if they turn out like Season 2.

  • Jeff

    This is highly disappointing. It’s clear the other vfx house is not up to the quality of CBS-D. I’m on the verge of not buying it. Voting with my wallet won’t help as it will probably still sell well. I don’t know if writing them will do any good, its only 3 weeks before release. But here’s the cbs contact info.

    http://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-home-entertainment/contacts

    • New Horizon

      I have written. I encourage everyone displeased with what they’re seeing to do so as well. While it’s too late to save Season 2, perhaps Seasons 4 and 6 can be salvaged.

  • Laughingman

    I cant believe what Im hearing. These are only still images people. At least wait for the set to come out before you start ripping it to pieces. Personally, I dont care if every last shot looks like complete and total ****. The extended Mesure of a Man alone makes this one worth buying.

    • New Horizon

      Yes, and the preview shots from Season 1 were still images as well and they looked phenomenal. It doesn’t take a moving shot to see how bad the work on this season is. Personally, I DO care if each and every last shot looks like complete and total ****. The fact that CBS didn’t oversee the work HTV-Illuminate was doing to ensure quality is completely unacceptable. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and it’s being botched.

  • Corran

    I don’t understand the orbiting shots at all,in less than a minute I was able to make this hot look closer to season 1 and I don’t know what the hell I’m doing http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/horrid/cbs_dauphindaled4_hd.jpg

  • James

    Corran, your photoshopped image is much better! I’m shocked at how poorly composited some of these images are. Season 1 was done perfectly, HTV have really dropped the ball, which is sad.

  • ThunderBlade

    It seems they are trying to stick too close to the original, blurry planets. Didn’t they look at the Season 1 images? Also, I kind of like the planet coloring in the original shots – the new ones are so … pale.

    The point of this release is not just higher resolution – it’s a *better* look. Season 1 has shown it.

  • Matthias Currat

    @trekcore You might be right about over-reacting, but look at all these opinions and I honestly have to share their doubts about the quality of Season 2 in comparison to Season 1. I haven’t seen a single close-up character shot that looks as sharp as in Season 1, and I haven’t seen any space shot that satisfies me as much as any in Season 1 did. Not even that last shot does, even though it’s 1080p.

    For example the first shot of Data sitting in this chair. The “HD” shot is not crystal clear at all. There are distortions all over it. It looks like some GIF image. In Season 1, this is not the case, at least not in 90% of such shots.

    I look forward to the cliffhanger “BOBW” in the end of Season 3 which CBS is gunna do, and then the conclusion in Season 4 which HTV is gunna do. Then we see 1:1 what’s fact. For now, I have to share the overall disappointment with the majority of reactions here about Season 2. I’m gonna buy the entire set of 7 blu-ray seasons once they’re all out (there will surely be a discount on the full set), but Season 2 will definately not be a high-light. It’s kinda lucky Season 2 has fewer episodes than the others and CBS is doing 4 seasons (104 episodes) while HTV is doing only 3 seasons (74 episdoes).

    • hypnotoad72

      I think that’s the film grain. Season 2 used a different stock, and darker scenes fare badly in terms of grain. I recall other season 2 eps where grain was highly visible on the DVDs (e.g. “Contagion”, inside the Icona teleportation room). That will show up more prominently on Blu-Ray.

      But the Blu-Ray of Data does have more definition and color range compared to the 480i video still, that much is obvious. So is the grain, sadly. But Data’s chair has far, far more shadow detail and deeper color. That’s a MASSIVE improvement over the original. And looking at the 480i original, one can see a remnant of grain as well. I do think it is the source material, which – with today’s methods and 2k scan resolution used – only so much can be done. It’s still going to look vastly better than everything preceding it, with ease.

      We’ll know for sure when it comes out, but from what I’m seeing, plain or not, the Blu-Ray set will render all previous editions to be dreary.

      Keep in mind, for late-80s TV, it was cheaper to edit on video, and film stocks used were cheaper because of television’s then-limited resolution.

      • Justin Olson

        Regarding film stocks… TNG was shot on the same range of Kodak 35mm Motion Picture film which was available at the time that features would have used. Namely, 5294 (400T) introduced in ’83; 5296 (EXR 500T) and 5248 (EXR 100T) introduced in ’89; and 5293 (EXR 200T) introduced in ’92.

        Note that TNG was made in a time before the really great fine-grain VISION stocks first became available in 1996. The EXR line had less grain too (compared to stocks like 5294 which were used in the 1st & 2nd seasons) but weren’t as advanced as the VISION stocks.

        But starting with Season 3, we should see a noticeable improvement.

  • falkan

    An apples-to-apples comparison of Season 1 VFX to Season 2 VFX.

    Season 1
    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/reviewimages//review37.jpg

    Season 2 (‘Manhunt’, as seen above)
    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/cbs_manhuntantede3_hd.jpg

    • New Horizon

      Basically, Dan Curry put everything through the blurometer.

      • Quinn

        Curry was the VFX supervisor during TNG’s run, so it is possible that this is his best idea of keeping the remastered shots true to the original. It’s different from S1’s look, true, but had we gotten this type of look in the first season set nobody would have noticed (as it’s still a big upgrade from the original footage). We may have simply been spoiled by the CBS-D team’s work in the first season!

        Here’s an interview Larry Nemecek did with Dan Curry about the Blu-rays back from this summer: http://larrynemecek.blogspot.com/2012/07/stv-vfx-master-dan-curry-on-tng-part-i.html

        • New Horizon

          Sure, if we had gotten these first we would have had no idea how amazing the original footage could look….but the project was started by CBS so the style and quality established in the season one set should have been the gold standard. Not only is season two of lower quality, it’s rather obvious that this was a design choice …no doubt instigated by Curry and the team at HTV. Very disappointing to see that they aren’t even trying to be on the same page.

          • Tony Falzone

            I agree. I was hoping that I wasn’t the only one that was noticing this. Season 2 didn’t clear up the background planets in orbit at all. They are just as blurry as my vhs always looked. Season 1 did such an amazing job.

        • M. Wright

          Right and what really gets me is that in the interviews with CBS-D they said that they (CBS-D) set the standard that the second team was following and they had interactions with the second team, the Okduas were constantly checking in on Dan and HTV, etc. etc. So much for that??

    • Justin Olson

      This is very odd. Why would HTV waste time re-doing a shot that was already completed by CBS Digital? Perhaps it was to maintain a consistent look for Season Two’s VFX? If that’s the case, this implies that when they get to Season Four’s “Remember Me” (which they are probably doing soon, if not already) that they will re-composite all the fabulous shots of Starbase 74 from “11001001” that CBS Digital has already done.

      • New Horizon

        I’m hoping that CBS-Digital will take measures to ensure that what happened here with Season 2 will absolutely not happen with Seasons 4 and 6.

        If CBS addresses Season 2 in an upcoming interview and assures us that the quality will match what they’re doing with Seasons 1,3,5 and 7 then I will buy the remaining Seasons. Heck, if they can assure us that this won’t happen again…I’ll even buy Season 2 in good faith….but until I hear something from CBS, Season 2 is on my no buy list.

    • Chris Jay

      I personally like the glow on the warp engines from Season 2…

  • James

    Falkan, that ‘apples to apples’ shot is excellent.

    You can really see the color correction in the season 1 pic, there is also less light spill on the season 1 image. Blacks look blacker and there is more detail present. Don’t get me wrong though, it’s way better than the DVD footage.

    Are the above DVD caps color enhanced? because they sometimes appear more vibrant than the HD stuff.

    I have written a piece on remastering, where you can see just how badly wrong studios can get it!

    http://ryesofthegeek.wordpress.com/2012/11/06/remastering-film-the-perils-of-dnr/

  • Laughingman

    My one honest complaint about the entire thing has to do w/ Q Who. Ive already said I have issues with reused matts of SF HQ in Conspiracy which were taken from the films. They shouldve done a new matt for SF HQ instead, because the shots from the movies just dont hold up here in HD as they are. It looks terrible and it takes me out of the moment.

    Now, I say the same is true of the Borg cube. Obviously, it’s a kitbash made from the leftover bits of model runners, that was probably made quickly and cheaply. It has no internal lighting to speak of in this episode, and it barely held up in SD. It looked menacing in SD.

    However, in HD, it looks like something I once made when I was 10 in the early 90s. It looks down right horrible. it looks like a fake and cheap model in HD, because that is what it is. It does not hold up, the same as SF HQ did not hold up.

    If anyone from CBS reads this, is me saying, they should have dropped in a CG cube that matched the cubes we see in First Contact / VOY. Those cubes were always scary looking.

    But here now, it looks like the Enterprise is being attacked by a spray painted Gundam model after it was sent through a trash compactor, sitting atop an unchanging star field behind it. Sorry, I hate to be a ney-sayer, but I just dont like the way the cube looks.

    Still though, I will be buying the set regardless.

    Thats just my two cents.

    • M. Wright

      Speaking as some whose first name is Matt, the word you’re looking for there is “matte” BTW.

  • Data

    I would love to hear a upright opinion from the CBS-D guys about the work on Season 2!!

    • Mike Jones

      Completely agree with you, I’d like them to make some noise as well. They’ve said on more than one occasion that they read these sites so these comments can’t have escaped notice.

    • Corran

      You might get that when the time comes to promote season 3, and they’ll have to be like “we know season 2 was a big let down, but season 3 we really upped our game even compared to season 1” etc, but they’re not going to talk negatively about season 2 while trying to make money off it.

    • exactly what i thought!

  • MSR

    I disagree with people about the live action shots. Those have been looking wonderful based on the screens posted. The compositing work, though, leaves something to be desired. I would agree it looks like they aren’t trying too hard to blend everything together so it looks like the Enterprise is actually orbiting the planet. The problem with making everything look HD, especially with the Borg cube and the 2-footer, is apparent. As they are going for authenticity for what was originally created, CG was out of the question (unfortunately). That being said, I will still buy this set as this season of Star Trek: TNG has never looked better. It’s not like if we don’t buy it now they’re suddenly going to have a change of heart, delay the release, destroy the sets already produced, go back and redo ALL of the special effects, and then release it. Get real. All we can hope for is that if we complain about the way the effects are handled with this season CBS will pay more attention to seasons 4 and 6 if this same studio is handling the compositing for those. I am disappointed that the effects aren’t the same as we saw in season 1, but we do have to remember there are some limitations to maintain authenticity. The fact they used the same starfield for 2 different angles is… a very odd oversight. I will email a complaint about the compositing but will still support this release. I’m sure I’ll barely notice when watching the season at home.

  • Alex Webb

    I think the main problem is that we were spoilt on Season 1.

    Season 2 looks like an HD version of what went before, while Season 1 added a little something to it. On one of the extras, when discussing the spacedock shot, they talk about adding a little ‘polish’ to the shot to improve the composition – nothing too extreme to alter the shot drastically, but just enough to make it ‘pop’.

    The Season 2 shots seem to lack that, and it shows.

    (as a side note, am I the only one that thinks the general ‘shine’ from the Enterprise hull in one of the Q Who shots seems to be mistakenly layered behind the ship?)

    • Denny Crane

      Wait until we see the pictures in motion. Stills are always quite grainy. I think the 2nd season won’t be worse than season 1 which has a very good quality – although I hoped it would be even better. In comparison with the recently published blu ray box of “Friends” the picture of TNG ist brilliant. But in comparison with the James-Bond-Blu-rays or “Ben Hur” the picture quality is poor. I do have to activate the noise reduction of my TV for not having a “pixel dance” on screen. Sadly they don’t seem to deliver the best possible picture. But that might cause to much time and costs.

    • Jaro Stun

      yes, and I hope they again add that little something in S3. It makes the difference between an OKayish product and a masterpiece

  • Thunderblade

    The borg cube seems a little too bright. In the SD shots it is a bit darker, which hides the way it was created. In HD, it should have been just as dark, or even a bit darker – maybe with some additional, very dim green light here and there, to avoid a rather cheap look. For some reason they did the opposite…?

    • kesch

      The cube is much too bright. One minute with Photoshop:

      • hypnotoad72

        For the image you corrected, I agree – the 480i source material is darker, even with the chroma noise.

        I do think the added brightness isn’t too jarring, though it could have been a tad darker… Alex Webb’s post below (season 1 spoiling us) has some merit to the situation, but TNG is something of a special show – even season 1 and its gaffes with stories and direction…

      • ThunderBlade

        Thanks. Yes, that is MUCH better. Will you re-master the remastered stuff? 🙂

  • VolcanoLogic

    I continue to remain disappointed with how they feel this need to darken every damn image, and by the inferior quality of the orbital/planet shots to the originals… the originals are FAR superior… you can just look at the orbital shots from “The Icarus Factor” to see it clearly. And there’s no reason to make whole new planets… jeez… just clean up the original stuff… don’t add anything new!

    This is the very same mistake that TOS-R made… they obviously used NASA footage of Earth in some episodes, that was so much better-looking than what was in TOS, that not only did it not fit on that basis, but when combined with the craptacular CGI Enterprise they were bent on using, it just looked even more laughably cheesy than original TOS footage did. Don’t improve what you cannot improve… leave well enough alone! This is something VFX people need to get through their heads… sometimes less is more!

    I was originally elated beyond words that TNG was getting this treatment… now the more I see of it, the less and less I want anything to do with it. They’re just repeating the same mistakes they made with TOS-R with TNG-R. If things change and get better with the 3rd and 4th seasons, maybe I’ll consider buying those, but as it is now, I’m gonna pass.

    • Chris Jay

      That’s the thing, some of the original planets aren’t up to par… but these planets aren’t up to par with CBS-D’s CG planets…

    • archer923

      All the planets are SD only (minus earth, the moon in 1101101 and Bandi for EAF. They where matte paintings/models). You don’t use SD material in HD. What do you think is causing the pixelated issues with the planets. They are using lower res textures.

  • M. Wright

    So I had an idea about how HTV is doing the planetscapes and
    how it differs from CBS-D.

    As we know Max Gabl does amazing work, he uses the old SD
    version of a planet as a jumping off point, but he makes a new planet from
    scratch that is of course similar to the old version but clearly brand new.

    What if HTV and Dan Curry took the edict of “keeping things
    the same just in HD”, and really took it literally. One of the services HTV
    offers is their secret sauce of SD to HD upconversion and processing. So what if the reason why the planets done by HTV look more like their SD counterparts, is because they are effectively the same planet, only upconverted and then embellished a bit. The crew at HTV could basically be using the upscaled SD planet as the base layer and then painting over the existing planet features with some extra depth and detail as layers on top of it. That could be a sort of strict interpretation of the idea of staying true to the originals.
    For example: the images of Drema IV sure look like the same planet, just some tweaks to the contrast, touched up the fissures in the surface and added a bit of a cloud layer. Ditto with Starbase Montgomery, that looks like they applied some smoothing of the more jagged edges of the low resolution land features and then used some detail enhancement filters (like in Photoshop) to increase the details a bit and again added more realistic cloud layering.

    • archer923

      They aren’t using the old bitmap files. The planets would look far worse than what you see here. Go upscale a 1988 computer image to 1080p. It’s not gonna look good at all. It be like using this image: http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/images/pc_rendered.gif What I’m guessing is they are using premade texture maps of planets. Building the 3d model. And the textures are too low res to look good. When the proper way to do it is to have a source file higher than 1080. So that you can zoom and not see the pixels. Which CBS-D did in season 1.

      • M. Wright

        Actually that’s not what I was saying. I’m saying they’re using the finished VHS quality footage of the planets from the archives and then upscaling them and tweaking them. It’s not unlike taking one of the DVD screencaps from TrekCore, upscaling it to 1080p, and then Photoshoping some new details/embellishments on top of it.

        What you’re saying is actually impossible. The original VFX were made in a Video Toaster output directly to VHS tape. There are no original “bitmap files” anywhere, as they weren’t rendered and saved in a computer the way we think of it today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Toaster

        • Justin Olson

          A couple of the details you have here are wrong. They used the Quantel Mirage to create planets, not the Video Toaster. And they used 1 inch Type C (a reel-to-reel analog tape), not VHS (which was a 1/2 inch consumer format in a cassette) during seasons 1-3. They switched to D1 tape in season 4.

          It’s true that the image textures used for the surface of the planets no longer exist, but Dan Curry recently said in an interview that a rock he had on his property was photographed and used on the original show. It turned out that he still had this rock, so they re-photographed it and used it again.

          • M. Wright

            I used VHS as short hand, I know they used the higher quality pro grade stuff… Just trying to keep it simple…

            I stand corrected about the Video Toaster, though I was fairly certain I’ve seen mention that it was used as well.
            Though if Curry has a new high resolution image of the rock he used, that doesn’t help the case for the lower resolution look of his team’s planetscapes… versus CBS-D’s.

      • hypnotoad72

        The linked image would look too good by comparison to upscaled 480i, which is effectively 240p… which be larger, 240p or 1080p… upsampling by ~5x would be a massively blurry, jagged, and no-detail mess. Even the comparatively low-res models used by the outside agency lookwill FAR better than anything from 480i/240p upscaled…

  • Neill Stringer

    While of a different and lower quality than CBS- D, these shots have me feel better as I think with the higher resolution that these clips look good. Like the new matte paiting for Borg Cube interior. I can’t wait for this set and the features sound awesome.

  • scarecroe

    WOW! I don’t understand all the complaining. These look AMAZING!

    • New Horizon

      I don’t understand how you can’t see the huge drop in quality. lol Compared to the outstanding work of Season 1, they’re simply ok.

  • hypnotoad72

    Icarus Factor = good planet with good matching of grain

    Dauphin = nice improvement

    Pen Pals planet = still a teensy bit blurry but looks better than the previous HD pic. I think it will be quite acceptable once we all see it in motion

    Q Who interior matte replacement = fantastic!

    Q Who exterior shot = 2′ model in one of the shots, but for any nitpicks I’d have it’s still quite clear that this Blu-Ray set will knock the pants off of all previous home video releases. The attention to detail and matching the original edit pretty much matches up, with most issues being revelations of the source model material.

  • Chris Jay

    After comparing these 2 shots:
    http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2×16/qwho177.jpg
    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/cbs_qwhoentfires2_hd.jpg

    The Enterprise element is completely different, even in angle…

    Use the links, the pictures aren’t matching the links for some reason… O_o

  • Mark Ward

    It isn’t as bad as I feared after the first screenshot was released, but it isn’t up to the standard of the work done with season 1 either.

  • Bart

    Besides the disaster that is the 2ft model, what happened to the planets and stars? The planets look like a flat layer on a sphere and the stars are a blurry mess. In season one the planets had real 3D texture and crisp appearance, the same for the stars. This season does not look good at all…

  • Data

    Does HTV really don’t know that the planets have to fit 1080p HD??

  • Guest

    First, this site is awesome and continues to be #1 in keeping us updated with this TNG HD remastering project.

    Second, why didn’t they just combine each episode’s original negatives together (With copies of the negatives of the various footage that’s reused in multiple episodes.) and use those to do the editing/FX/post-production stuff? Isn’t that what’s done with movies?

  • Garth Franklin

    So from all the comments the key problems are: the planets and starfield are too fuzzy and lo-res, and the effects shots miss that final polish of more dynamic lighting and color we saw in S1, especially on the ship models.

    Basically it all comes down to HTV missing the skills of CBS-D’s Max Gabl and Eric Bruno. For S4 & S6, is there any way for CBS-D to lend out to HTV their starfield, give Gabl more time to let him make the planets used in the shots, and then bring Bruno in for a final polish?

    • New Horizon

      They certainly need to do something. This is a pretty big quality control issue. Between this and the sound issues of Season 1, my faith in this project has been pretty much shot down.

  • RGB

    Let’s hope these images are only early drafts and the Blu-ray’s will contain a better final version. Certainly I’m not going to spend 80 bucks on amateur work.

    • New Horizon

      It has already been stated quite a few times that these are the finished effects. I won’t be buying it either.

  • Chris Jay

    The new selection looks awesome!

    • Esmeralda

      To me this new selection is even worst.

      Look at the space station. It is upscaled, and blurred amateurish with paint brush in photoshop. 🙁

  • Chris Jay

    The stars in this shot don’t look half bad:

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/icarusfactor_montgomery_hd.jpg

    • archer923

      They had to screw up the scale of the starfield in the other ones. You don’t go from a zoomed up look. To S1’s normal sized ones.

  • Wes

    Am I the only one who seems to think this set will be awesome? Now everyone’s complaining about the seemingly lack of quality. Geez, if you think the set will be lackluster in comparison to season one, then don’t buy it! I’m really feeling that people will be complaining, yet again! So, please, I beg you. Please leave it in the capable hands and just let it alone. Just don’t buy it if you are not impressed.

    • Chris Jay

      I’m impressed, but not as much as I was with Season 1, I’m still gonna get Season 2… because it has some great episodes I want to see.

      • Wes

        So am I, Chris. I was just a little upset about people complaining, though they have every right to do so. I just hope people realize that this season had endured the greatest hardship the franchise faced because of the writer’s strike and if the VFX shots aren’t up to par with Season 1 (let’s face it, season 1 aged really really badly up to the remastering). I generally buy movies/tv shows based on the fact of bonus features. I am really looking forward to the extended cut of The Measure of a Man, and the cast reunion most of all. Also, gotta consider the never-before-released deleted scenes from two episodes as well as the gag reel.

        • Wes

          I forgot to add the words “so be it” before the end of the second sentence.

        • New Horizon

          You say the VFX shots aren’t up to par with Season 1, but many of the shots being critiqued are stock shots ‘from’ Season 1 that HTV have curiously re-done in their own style…and in lesser quality. Given that the effects are being recomposited with modern tech, there is no excuse for them to pale in comparison with blurry stars and visible matte lines.

          • Wes

            Listen, there wasn’t this much criticism when the TOS-R came out on DVD, then on Blu-ray. I know it won’t be up to par with season 1, but it really shouldn’t matter. It doesn’t to me (in fact, some of my top 10 episodes from TNG are from Season 2). What should matter to people is the fact the new special features are what should drive up sales. Are you saying you want CBS-D to just pull the thing off the shelves and say “well, we screwed up?” (again?!). I’m sorry, but that just won’t happen. I’m sure they’re doing everything possible. Keep in mind, this project is HUGE (the Okudas said that in the Energized featurette on the season 1 set) and there will be problems that crop up. I don’t want to go through the hassle of getting replacement blu-ray discs like CBS was so kind and gave everyone replacements for free (next time, they probably won’t be as generous). But if you feel like complaining, then go right ahead, it won’t affect me in how I buy the set. And if people don’t want to buy the set because of the poor job HTV did with the VFX, that’s their prerogative. I think they did the best they could. VFX shouldn’t be the driving force behind all the negative criticism this set has unfairly deserved (and it’s two weeks before it comes out). What people should be really excited about are the special features, and that’s is what will drive the sales of this season not the VFX.

          • RGB

            I don’t care about special features. I want the episodes in the best possible quality.

            Concerning the “generous” replacements: CBS bungled the audio tracks in Season 1, so it’s their task to make sure we get a flawless product. It’s simply a implicitness — at 80 Dollars per season more than ever. If they can’t afford a capable quality control, they have to bear the consequences.

          • New Horizon

            I don’t intend to buy any of the Seasons HTV touches from here on out…unless they match the quality of CBS-D on Season 1.

            So by your reasoning, I should pay no attention to the overall quality of a product and should be happy with whatever a company decides to throw at me? Well, I’m sure many a corporation would be delighted with that kind of thinking. Bravo.

            I have the choice not to buy any further seasons, but here’s the thing…I’ve been wishing this type of project would happen for years, so I DO want to buy the seasons…however, I expect a consistent product. If CBS-Digital and HTV can’t work together in a meaningful way for the benefit of the project and the fans…then CBS-Digital should be given more time by the parent company CBS to do the job themselves.

          • archer923

            There was a standard that was set with season 1. They should always aim for that goal. They should simply get the extra time they need. And stop rushing. These prints are gonna be left like this for many years. Till they do a 4k remastering. I rather the series be completed in 2016. Rather than rushed for 2015.

          • Garth Franklin

            People aren’t asking for crazy changes, just some more proactive quality control. CBS-D went out of their way to deliver a final product that went above and beyond the mandate which resulted in feature film quality effects. HTV is doing only what is required and nothing more, maybe even cutting a corner or two, thus an end result that is not up to the same standard.

            HTV needs to be made aware that their end product is not up to snuff, what was wrong with it (namely the softness and blurry digital backgrounds, and the poor lighting elements). Why? In the hopes that their work on S4 & S6 sees a marked improvement.

            It’s too late to salvage the S2 issues now and they’re too minor to bother with a replacement program, but that doesn’t mean two further seasons have to suffer from the same issues. Like it or not even when a product is 95% of the time up to the standard set by a previous season, the only thing that’s going to be talked about is the 5% that it’s not.

            Who buys Blu-rays only for special features? If that is what is driving these sets, why not just slap them onto a DVD re-release of the old prints? R.M. Burnett & co. have done an incredible job with the extras, but they aren’t the primary reason I or most others are buying this – it’s the upgrade in picture and sound quality.

          • Chris Jay

            Redoing it could’ve been due to mislabeled files, etc…

  • Bart

    Once again, blurry planets and stars, the Enterprise deflector and warp nacelles got a neon makeover. Season 1 is beautifully remastered, everything is shapr, nice textures on the planets, movie quality.

    Season 2 quality is unacceptable. Where is the ‘quality control’ that was promised by CBS and the Okuda’s?

    • hypnotoad72

      I can’t disagree, but the planet in “The Child” looks halfway decent (better than the original), the new pics from “Pen Pals” do seem to be an improvement, and the planet in “Icarus Factor” is rather good.

      Are they up to season 1 standards? Not always.

      Are they better than the SD originals? Absolutely.

      Yes, I too wish CBS-D kept exclusive control of remastering for consistency purposes, but – especially as we see these in real life once released – I think some of the fears will be allayed. Motion video will obscure some of the ‘blurry planets’.

      But I can fathom how season 2’s quality could have been the standard for all 7 years. Season 1 did set expectations high, and deservedly so.

  • Esmeralda

    I can not express how disappointed I am with second Seasons of TNG-R.

    Planets and stars are are blurry and amateurish looking. They look upscaled from low quality footage. Also everything is to dark and washed-out colors compared to season 1 and SD version.

    Look at this screenshot of the ship…
    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/samaritansnare_mondor_hd.jpg
    It is to dark and colors are washed-out. In original ship was colorful and details were more apparent.

    Also Seasons 2 looks more grainy compared to Seasons 1.

    They really have made a terrible job on seasons 2

    • archer923

      You can’t judge the colors from the SD tapes. Those tapes have been worn out over the 25 years. Colors bleed. Most episodes have pink hues.

      • SpaceDwarf

        The problem with that shot seems to be that it was darkened after the light layer was added in. Excuse me? The only reason you’d do that is if you’d want to create an impression that there was something murky between the light source and the viewer, like smog for instance. Here, it’s just the void of space. The people at HTV just clearly don’t have a clue about what they’re doing when it comes to FX shots, which isn’t a surprise I guess since they’re a post house, not an FX house.
        The live action restorations have been up to par so far, though (as that is an area they *do* have experience with).

  • Mike Jones

    Had a go at trying to make the shot from ‘Samaritan Snare’ more like the work CBS D have done, fixing the lighting and ramping up the hull colour scheme.

    http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1236/17963000.jpg

    • Chris Jay

      Your editing has too much contrast, especially on the Mondor… it blows out some of the colors… I like the brightness on the windows though, if you added the brightness on the windows from your shot to the HTV shot… the Enterprise would look almost perfect… but I still like the HTV shots compared to their SD counterparts… I think they should’ve bumped up the highlights in the shot though, so the saucer’s lit side is a little brighter…

      Like this:
      https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/617311_446039668789638_1048315703_o.jpg

      Might be lower quality due to Facebook compression…

      • Mike Jones

        Had another stab with a different shot, replaced the stars and glows with the CBS look, the planet needs a half decent atmosphere though, only a 5 min job in photoshop but I think this is about right.

        http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8235/10613342.jpg

        • Chris Jay

          I’d lower the color saturation on the Enterprise a bit, it’s look too pink…

          • archer923

            It’s pink because HTV wanted the atmosphere to bounce off the hull. Which makes sense. The planet is designed to support beings of light energy. And signals had issues getting through.

        • MalcolmTucker

          Crap, forgot the deflector and the saturation levels.
          http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3537/43344314.jpg

    • JamesRye

      This was the shot that I thought HTV had done well. I do like the added contrast in your image (it looks more film-like) but some details on the right hand side of the hull have disappeared and the yellow band on the Mondor has changed color.

      I’d love to have digital stills of each element, so that we could composite them ourselves and see the difference.

      Although not as impressive as season 1, I thought that the actual video of the f/x, in particular the enterprise trying to go to warp in time squared looked pretty good 🙂

    • my issue with samaritan snare isn’t the contrast level. compared to the original it clearly is color dynamics. i don’t understand why htv can’t even touch such parameters:

  • Neill Stringer

    Once you get them on blu ray would you go back to your DVDs? Would you give them to your friends?

    • archer923

      I keep the DVD’s. Because those are 100% original versions. Unlike TOS blu-ray. Where the show is 100% identical (when you don’t watch remastered). Things are changed for TNG.

  • Neill Stringer

    I dont know why everyone is complaining I think these shots look cool, they certainly look better than the first shot. It is a different level of quality but I am still looking forward to this set.

    • New Horizon

      Well, you said it yourself…it’s a different level of quality and after how much love CBS-Digital put into Season 1, what HTV-Illuminate has done is a HUGE let down. The first Season was beautiful and I fully expected that CBS-Digital and HTV-Illuminate would have been working together to ensure the quality and style was consistent, regardless of the fact that they were working in different offices. With the technology at our disposal in 2012, this should not be an issue. It should not be asking too much to have some type of quality assurance work pipeline in place to ensure the style and quality of the visuals are consistent from Season to Season.

      As a consumer, with little to no disposable income, putting out 60 to 80 dollars is a huge deal to me.

      I don’t get away with inconsistent results at my job.

      • Denny Crane

        Outsourcing does not guarantee better results. HTV-Illuminate wants to make money with this job. It is not a matter of the heart for them. So they have to be cheap and fast. If CBS wants better results for the fans they have to give HTV-Illuminate more money and more time. 4-6 month or even one year is to short to produce a whole season. We have learned that they have only a few days per episode. This is not enough for perfect results.

        • archer923

          I agree. Even with 80% of the work done for the teams. They need more than a few days to complete an episode. Which is why novice mistakes are being done.

  • Corran

    I have a math question, everyone is saying HTV is doing seasons 2,4,6 because of the release schedule going from 2,2,2,1 to 2,3,2. If CBS digital were capable of handling 2 seasons a year, won’t having HTV just do season 2 and 4 get them onto that schedule? Has the 2,4,6 thing been confirmed by anyone? if I was CBS digital I would have held on to season 4 for dear life, how could you pass up Best of Both Worlds pt 2 and Yesterday’s Enterprise?

    • Chris Jay

      Yesterday’s Enterprise is part of Season 3, not 4.

      • Corran

        oh really? I must have gotten all confused somewhere along the line. oops

        • Chris Jay

          Yea, so that episode will be in perfect hands. 🙂

  • Guest

    Ok, my take on it…

  • Data

    It’s sad that some guys play around on photoshop for one minute and get a better picture than professionals in company!!!

  • archer923

    Again with the blurry star-fields… And the excelsior model is yellow. Why wasn’t this color corrected?

    • Quinn

      It’s relatively similar to the coloring in the original version. The Enterprise was always lit a bit differently.

      • archer923

        Except repulse was silver. And the Hood was silver in EAF.

        • Guest

          I think it’s all about the lighting – Galaxy model was more grey than the near-white of the Excelsior model, which means the Excelsior will show non-white colors much more easily.

          • archer923

            Repulse was still finalized as silver in the SD shot. That’s what they need to match. What starship is colored pale yellow?

    • Chris Jay

      The Excelsior model has a different paint scheme from the Enterprise D…

  • Matt

    Of these new screenshots, the level of detail in Data’s Sherlock Holmes’ outfit is really nice.

  • Bart

    The blue planet is a blurry ball of nothing… The Enterprise looks as if it is half eaten away. The same shot of the ship is used in season 1 which much higher detail. Why the difference.

    I was hoping they would use this for the Measure of a Man:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zszr74Z6jg

    • Chris Jay

      Nothing is being replaced with CG unless it has to be…

      As for the shot of the Enterprise, it is a slightly different shot… the lit windows are slightly different…

      From remastered EaF:
      http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1×01/farpoint_hd_053.jpg

      From SD “The Child”:
      http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2×01/child088.jpg

      It only appears to be the same exact shot due to the general perspective of the shot…

      • archer923

        The windows are lit different cause the shots aren’t at the same times. The remastered one is a few seconds later.

        • Chris Jay

          The windows at the top behind the registry aren’t lit in the EaF shot… they’re lit in ‘The Child’ shot, which means they’re 2 different shots…

          • New Horizon

            No, like I said earlier..they just masked out some lights in the lighting pass to make it look like a different shot. Bigger bang for the buck that way.

          • Chris Jay

            I can tell it’s a different angle by how the large forward saucer windows are in relation to the neck section…

            In this shot:
            http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2×01/child088.jpg

            They are more towards the left side of the screen…

            http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1×01/farpoint_hd_052.jpg

            … in the EaF shot, they are smack dab in the center of the screen, in relation to the neck.

            So, they are 2 different shots.

          • archer923

            I wasn’t talking about that shot. I was talking about the side angle, with repulse.

  • Bart

    Now compare this (season 1, the Big Goodbye)

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1×12/thebiggoodbye_hd_046.jpg

    With this:

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/thechild_orbit1_hd.jpg

    That says it all: much lower quality in season 2.

    • Chris Jay

      These are 2 different shots…

      From ‘The Child’:
      https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/248799_446447072082231_830883785_n.jpg

      From EaF:
      http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1×01/farpoint_hd_053.jpg

      Different windows are lit, meaning this is a different shot…

      • New Horizon

        It’s the same shot, but they clearly masked out some of the lights on the other episode just to make it look different.

        • Data

          No guys, they are two different shots! In the first shot the enterprise comes from up above to very close to the camera. In the secound shot the ship is doing much less. Compare the opening shot from “encounter at frapoint” (first shot) with this secound shot and watch the movement closely.

          • Data

            Watch at the four bigger windows on the front underside of the saucer and bring it relative to the main torpedo ramp. In the first shot the ship almost is flying straight. In the second it flyes a little to the site!

          • Chris Jay

            I just said the same thing New Horizon, haha.

        • Bart

          Different shot or not, the windows lit differently or not, it’s about comparing the quality and that should be the same! And it is not the same, the season 2 shot is much worse.

        • Justin Olson

          They’re two different shots… watch the DVD and compare them — look where the light at the end of the saucer appears to cross over the deflector dish. Also, you can’t compare what ILM did using 8-perf VistaVision with what Image G shot in 4-perf standard 35mm. They’re just not going to look the same.

  • New Horizon

    I simply can’t believe how poor these shots look. Everything is blurry, the nacelles are neon and overblown. I hate to be so negative about Season 2, but seriously…this is a terrible job. I’m incredibly angry with CBS for rushing CBS-Digital, requiring them to farm out 3 seasons…and essentially ruin the consistency of the product.

    To wait so long for a project like this, only to have impatience and greed get in the way.

    Instant gratification. The same crap that got TOS-R rushed out the barn door looking inconsistent and half finished.

    I don’t like sounding like I’m slamming the HTV-Illuminate people personally, I’m not, but as far as their product goes…I absolutely abhor what they’ve done here. The quality of the recomposited material is horrendous.

    • Bart

      Completely agree.

    • Esmeralda

      I like TOS-R. Remastering of the TOS was well done in my opinion.

      But everything I saw so far of 2. season of TNG-R is a huge disappointment.

      S1 was was beautifully done, but S2 is awful. 🙁

    • Justin Olson

      You’re incredibly angry… it’s a terrible job… it’s ruined…it’s crap… you absolutely abhor it… it’s horrendous… et cetera, et cetera…

      It’s actually none of those things, New Horizon… and you have no right to be incredibly angry — disappointed perhaps — but incredibly angry? Really? This is the kind of thing that makes you incredibly angry?

      • trekcore

        As Justin points out – your messages are now becoming unnecessarily over-reactive. I don’t want to have to start moderating comments here, but if you continue along the same line then I will have to. By all means criticize, but do it CONSTRUCTIVELY. “Angry, terrible, ruined, crap” is NOT constructive.

  • Esmeralda

    What they done with the space station?!? It looks awful.

    Each new screenshoot is more and more disappointed.

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/thechild_tangostation_hd.jpg

    Seriously, I’m not buying this. They are destroying this project with awful job on second season. 🙁

  • VolcanoLogic

    I agree, the last shot of Data and Geordi shows it best… all they’re doing is darkening everything and making the space stuff lo0ok like crap. I am SO happy I’ve kept my TNG DVD collection… I have the whole series on DVD as it originally was, perfect and unmolested. I have no reason to buy any of these blurays now, especially if this new VFX team will be handling seasons 3 and 4. No thanks… there are better uses for my money.

    I can seriously putz around in Photoshop for less than a minute and make these shots look 10 times better than what they did, and I can do it for free, too. This is TOS-R all over again.

    • Chris Jay

      CBS-D is handling Season 3… they’re alternating… CBS-D is doing Season’s 1, 3, 5 and 7… HTV is doing Season’s 2, 4, and 6.

      As for the DVD being perfect… hardly, shots were blown out, etc. these while not as good as CBS-D are miles ahead of the original SD shots…

      • VolcanoLogic

        In comparison to this clusterfrak, yes, the DVD’s were perfect. As I said above, if you want to throw your money away, be my gues and buy these… but I like quality in what I spend my money on.

    • Masterironfist

      You’re making it out to be a bigger problem than it is. Just wait for the actual release first. Many of the shots look pretty good. Even the season 1 bluray screenshots had some crappy ones.

      • Esmeralda

        Screenshot of first seasons where great, It was high quality work. I use all space screenshot from Season 1 as background on the desktop. Something that I will not do with this season. This is awful. 🙁

    • Bjoernar Dohm

      Yes, I think the SFX of season 2 look less exciting than season 1, but they are undeniably A LOT BETTER than the dvd.

      • VolcanoLogic

        I wholly disagree. If they were better than the DVD shots, then quite simply, they would be. But they’re not. They’re darker, the planets look silly… as I said, it’s TOS-R all over again. If you want to throw your money away, hey, be my quest and go for it. I’d rather keep mine, and enjoy the originals on DVD.

        • Justin Olson

          That’s just an incredibly asinine claim. The TNG DVD’s are widely acknowledged to be some of the worst looking studio content to ever be put on the format. Why do you think CBS undertook this restoration effort in the first place?

          Even when TNG switched to component D1 tape in 1990, the image was still inexplicably beset by composite dot crawl, chroma noise and rainbow effects. The Blu-rays have none of those issues, besides being 4.5 times the resolution!

  • New Horizon

    This breaks my heart. Is CBS listening? Do they care? Season One had so much love poured into every frame that it truly elevated my opinion of CBS to that of a company that truly cared about the fans. Now, with every batch of photos from Season two, I feel more and more like we’re being played for fools who will buy anything with Trek in the title. Nothing but another money grab. 🙁

    • Masterironfist

      The batch of photos looks quite a bit better. Wait until the release comes out to make final judgement. Ever think that it may be a problem with how they filmed it in season 2?

      • New Horizon

        No, not when they make the same stock footage CBS-Digital used in the first Season look worse. I certainly don’t.

        It’s just a bad job, plain and simple…and CBS won’t get a single penny from me for any Season HTV-Illuminate touches…unless they fix the quality issues for future Seasons, then I will most definitely reconsider…until then, this is just another cash grab.

        • Esmeralda

          I agree.

          That screenshot of the space station from ”The child” crossed the line in my opinion. I will not buy this.

          I will not buy nothing what is done by HTV-Illuminate…

  • Masterironfist

    This new batch of photos (Nov 21) looks much better!! I am still optismistic about the second season. Even on the DVDs the second season looked poor quality but I remember Season 3 being way better on the DVDs. Its like they got more money in season 3 to use better equipment.

    • Esmeralda

      To you this what they done with the space station is better???

      http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/thechild_tangostation_hd.jpg

      • Chris Jay

        What’s wrong with it?

        • Esmeralda

          What is not wrong with it??

          http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3188/thechildtangostationhd.jpg

          Space station is upscaled and amateurish paint brushed in photoshop.

          Seriously, that’s the best they could do with the technology of the year 2012.

          DVD version of that scene is a masterpiece compared to this. 🙁

          • Chris Jay

            How do you know it’s up-scaled it could just be blurry in general… also, they might’ve added some wacky DOF to it…

            The DVD version is a lot more blurry, you can barely make out lights on the station…

          • Esmeralda

            I disagree. DVD version of the space station is much more sharp, details are more obvious. This looks like amateurish painting in photoshop by paint brush. 🙁

            CBS-D has said if orginal VFX film elements are lost, they will recreate them in CGI.
            If film elements of that space station are lost, why is not recreated in CGI as promised?

          • Chris Jay

            Why should it be recreated in CG, it all looks there to me… even the unrealistic 2 light sources on the station…

            I just did a transitional comparison of these new shots posted and the station looks a lot better in HD…

            See the video here:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehVDDViKvGU

          • Esmeralda

            For me job done on space station is awful. It looks much more worst than in SD version.
            If fotage of space station is lost, then it should be replaced as promised with CGI. This is just plain awful.

  • hypnotoad72

    Live action = good, if not a tad dark compared to the SD images. The added detail is absolutely fab, and color accuracy is a visual treat for the eyes.

    F/x = weird at times, spectacular at others (both for ships and planets!)

    Especially the Enterprise in “Measure”, where the nacelles’ blue glow is too blue. Some of this does seem to trace back to the original footage, but some consistent grading across the seasons might have been nicer…

    The pic of the Enterprise w/ the Repulse (“The Child”, second image) is awesome!

    Still, the planet for “The Child” is a massive improvement over the original (even if the deflector dish looks a little off; some of that can be seen in the SD original as well).

    The other new pics from Dauphin, Pen Pals, Samaritan Snare, etc, all look pretty awesome and better all around…

    Both SD and HD eras for season 2 both have nitpicks, but I’ll take HD any day.

    • Chris Jay

      They’re not so much dark, as their contrast is proper, black is black, in the SD the black colors are more a dark dark gray…

      However, for this:

      “Especially the Enterprise in “Measure”, where the nacelles’ blue glow is too blue. Some of this does seem to trace back to the original footage, but some consistent grading across the seasons might have been nicer…”

      Can you point out what shot exactly you’re referring to?

  • New Horizon

    Well, until we get some type of assurance from CBS that the rest of the Seasons will be consistent in quality to Season 1, and even the Sampler. I’m giving up on this project. The last batch of photos were the final nail in the casket for me. Sorry CBS, but your constant need to rush things has ruined this project for me, just like it ruined TOS:R. Hopefully whoever is overseeing Star Trek in 10 or 20 years won’t make the same mistakes next time.

    • Chris Jay

      Well, season’s 1, 3, 5 and 7 will be matched, because CBS-D is doing those seasons…

      I actually like the remastering of TOS…

  • again blurry and pixalated starfields. and the worst definatly is the new shot with the repusle from “the child”. it’s unbelievable!
    http://i.imgur.com/fHLIY.jpg

    i’m not buying any seasons of those guys

  • Laughingman

    Okay, for real. Now it sounds like people are just complaining to complain. What was the goal of this project? To bring TNG into HD and make it look better than the SD copies. No matter what you see in the stills above, this has still been done. Season one and season two are now both comparably more crisp and clear to how they used to look. Its really night and day. Everyone just needs to calm down. So what? All the special features, the Extended Mesure of a Man are now worthless? Because you guys dont like what the stills look like? There were stills from last time that people were moaning about. Its just stupid. No matter what, if given a choice between the snn 2 dvds and the soon to be released blurays, Id take the blurays any day. At this, Im surprised that TrekCore hasn’t shut down the comments yet. All anyone here is doing is showing just how finicky Star Trek fans can be. And its sad. Cant we all just get along and be happy that the set trumps the SD releases and that we’re getting new footage thats been on the cutting room floor for 25 years? Come on people, this is one of the best scifis out there and we need to show that the fans of this show can do more than just complain.

    • Bart

      A certain standard for quality was set in season 1 by CBS-D. How much to ask to keep up this standard for all 7 seasons? If the qualtiy varies from season to season, people have the right to complain.

      • Howie Phelterbottom

        Absolutely right. I’ve sent Mike Okuda a message on twitter about this.

    • Howie Phelterbottom

      You expect people ‘not’ to voice their displeasure with the huge drop in quality from Season 1? If we don’t speak out, then they’ll assume we’ll accept any old crap they throw at us. Sure, the Season 2 bluray is clearer…but that’s not much good when half of the elements being used in these shots we’re seeing are a blurry mess. Gotta love those blurry, upconverted looking stars! 🙁

  • Laughingman

    If CBS reads this, also, I want to see a still from Load as a Whisper. 🙂 You know what shot I’m talking about too.

  • James

    To quote Picard, “Not good enough, dammit, Not Good enough”

    Ok, so it is better that the DVD’s, but having someone passionate about TNG working on the project would have helped – as it did with the awesome work on Season 1. That shot of the Repulse is comically bad – is that blue light spill (bottom right), I assume that it can’t be and that was a nebula that you just cant see on the DVD shot?

    I understand the comments about the apparent darkening of the image. I watched STV on blu-ray and there are some terrible blow outs during the God Scene. Also Star Trek 6 looks to have been darkened.