For nearly two decades, the Star Trek rumor mill has been swirling about the supposed ‘feud’ between Voyager co-stars Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew, stemming from Mulgrew’s dislike of the addition of Ryan’s former Borg character, Seven of Nine, to the show.

A 2006 interview with Garrett Wang contains some fairly harsh reports of the on-set experience surrounding Ryan’s arrival to the show, but a recent interview on actress Aisha Tyler’s Girl on Guy podcast (released last summer, but just pointed out to us by a reader this week) has one of the first narratives of those years revealed by Jeri Ryan herself.

Ryan does not specifically name Mulgrew as the source of her torment, but her description of the interaction, combined with the years of reports of discontent with this unnamed co-star makes it nearly impossible to be anyone else.

JERI RYAN: The addition of this character… Voyager was the flagship show of the network — UPN — and Paramount saw this as this character as their chance to break Star Trek into the mainstream media, and not just the sci-fi mags and things like that. So the Paramount publicity machine went into overdrive with the addition of this character.

AISHA TYLER: What season was this?

RYAN: This was the beginning of Season Four. Everything was top secret about the character. The costume people didn’t see what the makeup people were doing, everything was secret, secret, secret. They didn’t want anybody to know anything about it until the day I walked on to set to shoot this — which is a bunch of other stories! [Laughs] It was crazy.

They were very successful in getting the mainstream media to pay attention to it with the addition of the character.

TYLER: What were the other stories? It’s so far in the past…

RYAN: It is so far in the past. Oh, god. [Laughs]

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TYLER: Pick the one that you feel comfortable sharing.

RYAN: It was understandably tough for an existing cast that had been together for three years already. Star Trek, traditionally — because this was like the fourth incarnation of Star Trek at the time — was always the Captain, or the Captain and First Officer. Typically, it’s the Captain that gets the attention of the press, and the shows revolve around that.

So all of a sudden, all of that shifted drastically in Season Four and now the writers, who have been writing for the same seven characters for three years, are salivating for something new to write with. They’ve got this character that’s so rich, because she’s not even human when they start out…

TYLER: And the whole point of it is what it means to be human, it’s a huge storyline.

RYAN: Right, there’s no better way to do that. Consequently, all the scripts revolved around Seven of Nine and her relationship with the other characters, of course — which actually ended up leading to some really rich storylines for the other characters.

TYLER: There was probably more diversity in terms of storyline for everybody.

RYAN: Exactly — but that’s hard, when the new kid comes in and suddenly it’s all about them. That was tough, and it was particularly tough for some more than others, which was not real fun. It really made it an unpleasant work experience.

TYLER: Did that continue, or did evolve?

RYAN: It continued, for quite a while.

I mean, for the most part, everybody was phenomenal and absolutely great — and the guys, my God, I loved my boys on that show. [Laughs] They were hilarious to the point that if I had a two-shot with and then it’s my close-up, I had to look off-camera because if I looked at them I’d just break and crack up.

But yeah, it was unnecessarily unpleasant for a couple of years — basically, until I started dating [Brannon Braga]. Once I was dating the boss, funny how things suddenly cleaned up!

[Laughs] But it was really, really tough the first couple of years. and there were many days when I was nauseous before going into work because it was that miserable. Just unnecessarily, intentionally unpleasant.

TYLER: And such a waste of energy.

RYAN: Waste of energy.

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TYLER: I always feel like there’s a strange intimacy on a set that makes difficult sets much more difficult that working at a difficult office — because you can usually avoid the other person…

RYAN: Right. There’s no avoidance on a set, and most of my scenes were with this person.

TYLER: Oh, god.

RYAN: I mean, there was NO avoidance, because it was the richest relationship. They really wanted to capitalize on that.

TYLER: I’m not going to ask you… I’m sure people can deduce [who it is] if they spend some time Google-ing.

RYAN: Right, yeah.

TYLER: I have had friends who have been in situations… where they had a very close co-star, sometimes their love interest, and they really did not like each other off-camera. I know someone who went through this, and they were just not even on speaking terms, and they had to kiss on camera. How was that for you — did you develop mental tricks? Like, what did you do?

RYAN: There was nothing I COULD do — literally I would be nauseous when I knew these scenes were coming up. When there were a lot of scenes with this person the next day, I was sick to my stomach all night, just miserable. It was so unnecessary and just so petty; things like, oh my God…[Laughs]

We’d have scenes — because a lot of my scenes took place in this set they built for my character called the Astrometrics Lab. It was a really impressive-looking set with this huge, massive, curved green-screen and this giant window. So there’s only one entrance to the set, because all the cameras were built up on platforms and stuff to shoot the window — there was just one set of doors.

I remember this one time in particular, I had this once scene with this person, just the two of us. We do their coverage first, and shoot their side of this really dramatic scene, and then it was time for my coverage. Before every close-up, the hair and makeup and wardrobe teams come in and do touch-ups and everything to make sure everything’s right… [Laughs wildly]

[The co-star] shut the door to the set, and said, “She’s fine. LET’S GO.” Wouldn’t let them in. Just stupid, stupid stuff like that.

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TYLER: And by the way, out of their job description.

RYAN: Exactly. Let people do their jobs.

TYLER: Not your call!

RYAN: Right, things like that. Another time, I don’t even think it was the same day, but a different scene with that person on the same set — we do their side first, and then it’s my coverage on close-up for this really intense scene. The literally sat off-camera picking their nails, thumbing through a book, and just haphazardly saying their lines off camera without even making eye contact.

TYLER: It would have been better to just not have them there.

RYAN: Yeah, could the [assistant director] just read it off camera? I’m good.

TYLER: Anyone? A production assistant? A C-Stand and a tennis ball? It would be better.

RYAN: Exactly! It would have been better. It was intentional, purely intentional and unnecessary.

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Jeri Ryan’s discussion of her time on the Voyager set, along with details of her audition and life in the convention circuit begins at the 38:00 mark in her interview with Aisha Tyler, linked below.

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  • Mat Rowe

    Its really disheartening to hear things like this. I was aware that they did not get along to a certain extent but to hear that the animosity came largely from the actor who I thought was wise and mature is disappointing. It puts a dampener on the experience of watching this show that is meant to be about tolerance and compassion. It is unfortunate that petty, real world conflicts could seep in and muddy that experience.

    • Based upon Jeri Ryan’s comments here — and of course, everything is subjective — it seems like Mulgrew took her dislike of the network’s decision out on Ryan personally, rather than directing her displeasure at the ‘system’ that caused the issue.

      • DaMac

        Seems that way, but it’s always risky to judge based on one person’s side. I am sure Mulgrew thinks it was Ryan who was antagonizing.

        • bbock

          I don’t know. If you combine this with what Garrett Wang has said about this, it seems like Mulgrew was just unprofessional, nasty and petty. It’s disappointing, but no more so than realizing what an ass Shatner is, from the accounts of multiple cast mates and from others who have worked with him or met him. I wonder how Mulgrew feels about it now. Does she regret being nasty to her fellow actor?

          • DaMac

            I just know from countless friends’ break-ups (and my own way back) that it’s really hard to judge someone based on second-hand and biased information. Unless I was there I try not to judge.

          • PC Master Race

            Why would she regret having a shitty executive producer ruin the show by bringing on an obvious no talented slut? The same slut that went on to sleep w/said talentless executive producer. Kate’s doing Orange Is The New Black while Jeri Ryan is..well married to some French frog not doing much of anything.

          • Respectfulguest

            Jealous women who cannot contain their emotions, always act like this to very attractive women..whether in social settings, office settings, workplace settings, only the names and places are different…and it doesn’t matter how ‘professional’ the jealous woman is. It will never change. I am a woman, btw.

          • Bratista

            I am too and I find your analysis to be extremely shallow. It’s not simple “jealousy” to be upset by a strumpet who gets a part handed to her because of her sex appeal and then she gets storyline after storyline revolving around her. Mulgrew is talented and worked hard as the lead and the producers f***ed her over.

          • Truth > Fiction

            Jeri was a ego maniacal who wanted to jeep the show centered on herself and she found the easiest and oldest known way to do that by sleeping with the boss. To try to say that Kate was jealous of her because she was pretty is ridiculous. Kates dislike of her had nothing to do with Jeri’s appearance but with the fact that they rushed a good storyline about Kess’s evolving to make way for boobs McGrew. Then after the fifth season it did not get better because of Jeri’s tactic to keep the show centered on herself.

          • Keli Woods

            true, they did rush that story. They didn’t even have a proper funeral for Kes and then they bring her back to destroy the ship? I mean I used to like the writing up until 6th season… There was a lot to be said on the character of 7 of 9. But yea, I felt like Equinox to Endgame was bogus.. and then they didn’t put Janeway/Chakotay together after writing several romantic scenes… I felt like they totally jipped us as an audience…

          • Keli Woods

            as a woman, I will never treat someone else like that, mostly because I was never friends with many girls in my grade, least not close anyway. I’m wondering if it was jealousy, or the fact that I’ve always been socially awkward. I compare 7 of 9 as a character to asperger’s/autism quite often cause that’s how her character kinda is… and same with vulcans.

            Vulcan and an ex Borg walk into a bar… logic dictates it was a very pleasant conversation. 🙂 😉

          • Truth > Fiction

            Kate said she did not like her because of how she used her relationship with Brannon to get what she wanted on the show. She never said she treated Jeri poorly. This is just Jeri looking for more media and attention and sympathy…she is pathetic

          • Keli Woods

            used the guy she was with to get pull as an actress, yea, that’s petty and manipulative and materialistic at all…. ROFL…

          • Keli Woods

            some people are completely immature and crazy.

          • Truth > Fiction

            There was only one persons side saying Kate was nasty…I’m sure jeri and her ego were just as nasty.

      • radii

        visceral jealousy

      • DIREWOLF

        I agree with both you and Mat Rowe….but, I feel that part of Kate Mulgrew’s animosity towards Jeri Ryan was jealousy. Like Ryan said, in part of the interview, for 3 seasons, Mulgrew’s Captain Janeway and crew were the focus. And then, this beautiful and sexy, younger actress comes along and steals her attention, from the fans and the boss, Brannon Braga! Lol

        • jjj

          Only a whore dates her boss.

          • Carvel Grim

            And, yet, I would love to lick the inside of her colon.

          • anon

            Really? Only a whore dates her boss? How about Lucy Lawless and Rob Tapert? They got married 3 years into the life of the show Xena. And yet she was a success in her own right. Even a Lesbian pride symbol.

          • Demode

            Patrick Stewart dated his boss on TNG. Is he also a whore?

        • Thabo

          For me, as I rewind the series (time after time) I’m happy when ‘7’ comes on the scene. She was a center for the series from then on. Anyway, for me . .

          • Truth > Fiction

            She was a terrible addition to voyager. It totally destroyed the vibe and like of the show. The ratings continued a downward spiral after her addition

        • Bratista

          Braga banged a chick and forced her – awkwardly – into a show. And yeah, she was tgere to be eye candy, which is sad on a show with the first female captain! Mulgrew owned her role, all Ryan did was give pouty lips in a spandex suit.

          • Respectfulguest

            I am rewatching the series, and I find her character to be fascinating and extremely well acted. Even if she were covered in a sack, her character would still be fascinating and her facial expressions still the same. She does have a gorgeous face to look at. Her drop dead body is eye candy for the men, I suppose.

          • Bratista

            To be honest, she wasn’t bad, but she wasn’t so riveting as to deserve the amount of screentime she got. I can see why Mulgrew would be upset. She landed a great role and owned it and then got her role written down to accomodate Ryan. She had a right to be mad.

          • Truth > Fiction

            Ugh they beat her storyline to death by the end of season five and her character should have been sent back to equal footing with Robert and Garrest etc but by then she had her claws in the boss and she used her intimate relationship to keep the storylines on herself. Look how quickly she ditched him when the show needed an he could Bo longer do anything to help her career.

          • Keli Woods

            her character, 7, is one I love as a character, but I wish they’d done more with 7 and the doctor as a couple, and with Janeway and chakotay as a couple. I mean, tom and B’Elanna end up married with a first kid by the end of the show, they couldn’t at least end the series with Chakotay/Janeway as a couple, once they were back in the alpha quadrant?

        • Adam Black

          Not really true. 7 of 9 replaced Kess.

          The captain got more screen time due to the 7 of 9 storyline

      • Keyser Soze

        Sounds like she was a haggard, middle age woman who got jealous of the Pretty New Girl and decided to make her life miserable because she never grew out of high school

        • Zuzu

          Or, sounds like she was cast in a starring role where she was told the show wouldn’t be overtly sexual with the female characters. That she’d be playing a strong, dynamic female lead. So she works her ass off to develop the character, and then gets side-swiped when they bring in a young woman who agrees to play the easy win sex-pot role (the boobs on the outfits were outrageous!) …and, then, that same young woman winds up sleeping with the boss like a creepy cliche?!? (Actually, that’s the point where I totally lost any compassion for Jeri’s story. If you are a young woman of any substance and self-respect, you don’t sleep with your boss. If you are really in love, wait until after you are not working directly for him.) Seriously, they would not have pulled that crap on Stewart–bring in a younger, sexier leading man to focus all the story-lines on while quietly casting Piccard into an out-to-pasture impotent fatherly role. It’d have been better if they killed her off.

          I have no doubt they spent inordinate amounts of time on how “7” looked during that time in make-up, while Janeway’s hair was chopped into a more masculine bob, and all that “feminine side” plot-line that was so cool about Janeway, was handily erased as to not compete with the sex-pot character. Kate was not haggard, she was a beautiful woman (in Macrocosm she looks like Laura Croft.) I liked the “7” character and plot line but saying Kate was “haggard” or “jealous” is bull. She was pissed TF off, and rightfully so given how she was treated. Sounds to me the stuff she did–that Jeri thought was “petty”–was reaction out of sheer annoyance with the absurdity and cheapness of what they were doing.

          • CIarKent

            Patrick himself married one of his producers on TNG

          • Smithian

            Probably did not help that they booted Jennifer Lien at the same time as they added Ryan. Keeping Kes and dumping Kim would have made for a balanced cast amongst the sexes.

          • Demode

            Jennifer had a drug problem.

          • Bratista

            Sounds about right given her current law problems

          • Do you know the timing of this drug problem happened concurrently with her departure from the show or is this just hindsight?

          • Demode

            I remember reading about it during the time she had a small role in American History X. That would have been in the late 90s.

          • Truth > Fiction

            That was an unfounded rumor

          • 7 Fan

            Kate? Kate? Is that you? ……… LOL

          • Zuzu

            Hah. Yeah, was pissed, but totally over it since Orange is the New Black.

          • Liz

            Wow, talk about being one sided. Jeri didn’t call out her offender by name. She didn’t even mention gender. She only said “that person.” Jealous, yes, very. The show creators wanted to breathe life into the show, and a younger female sex symbol brings in the nose-bleeding boys. It was the 90s. The same thing happened in sliders, only Madame Cleavage happened to be a bitch. Unlike the whore on Charmed, we don’t see Jeri saying her set was like high school, nor do we hear about Jeri sleeping with half the cast.

          • Bratista

            Just her boss

          • Respectfulguest

            So judgemental!! Who is to say that YOU would not do the same thing in her place? Until women start containing their judgementalism which really comes from jealousy, they will never be the equals to men they want to be!!! Funny how when a woman is blah, or mediocre, other women aren’t judgemental!! LOL.

          • Zuzu

            Ha. Yeah, I absolutely speak from experience on this one. I was objectively considered attractive as a young woman…might still even be. Who knows? But I’m certainly not “jealous” of a 1998 version of Jeri Ryan. LOL …IRL she’s older than me anyway. So, meh. Further, I’m already the equal of “men.” I do not “want to be,” I am.

            I’ve had a number of potential relationship sparks with guys I worked for over the years. It’s somewhat of a common occurrence working long hours with someone. However, as I said, I never dated them because it would have put a question mark over my accomplishments.

            There were other men who were not my boss, that I also liked, where there was no conflict. So… If you have options–like Jeri clearly did– why would you choose to be with a current boss?

            I can judge if I want, that’s why it’s called an opinion. Why not? This is an ancient thread and I doubt she gives a rat’s ass what I have to say. 😉

          • Bratista

            Yup

          • Zuzu

            Oops, sorry, I seem to have replied when this was directed to you. I got an email and thought this was to me. Oh well, good thing we agree!

          • Bratista

            No one is jealous of the chick who sleeps her way into success. I admire Mulgrew, who owned her role as the first female captain. Ryan however just opened her legs and got a job.

          • Truth > Fiction

            Please she did everythin but name Kate. She chose to talk about scenes that any trekie knows took place between her and Kate.
            Any self respecting Profesional would not date/sleep/marry their boss.
            It totally changes the dynamic of the work environment. It goes from one of the ability to freely communicate good or bad things that happen to one of complete lies because they have shifted the balance of power so that with one whisper in lover boys ear, other peoples characters become diminished and or lose their jobs to protect the little love muffins feelings and cotinue to give her her air of arrogance and control over everyone else

          • Demode

            Patrick Stewart dated his boss on TNG. By your logic, that would make him a whore too.

          • Zuzu

            Never called anyone a whore. But, yes, inappropriate for Stewart as well. Tho, we were not dismissing a male collegue’s issues with Stewart by saying the guy was just past his prime and jealous of Stewart. That said, given how often successful women have been wrongfully accused of sleeping their way to the top (thereby diminishing their efforts, sometimes intentionally so by competition) I think a woman who respects herself would actively avoid this… Particularly where there would be the perception of special treatment. It reinforces the idea that sleeping around is how women get ahead instead of talent and hard work. Patrick Stewart is absolutely a whore, but, in being so he doesn’t perpetuate a tired stereotype that others have fought hard to dispel.

          • Respectfulguest

            How do you know she ‘slept’ with him? Believe it or not, some women, do actually date without having sex right away.

          • Truth > Fiction

            Except in her case that did not happen, she made no secret of her intimate relationship withat B.

          • Bratista

            YES!

          • WhateverWhenever

            Seriously, they would not have pulled that crap on Stewart?

            Actually, they did.

            And, that man was…Wesley Crusher

            BOOOOONG!

          • Zuzu

            Ha. Touche!

            Indeed. How could I forget about Wesley “Sexpot” Crusher?

          • Respectfulguest

            Ok, so, IF, and that is a big IF, that was the case, you take it out on the individual? THAT would be even more high school petty and immature and unprofessional than if it were just plain jealousy of Jeri Ryan’s gorgeous looks, which I believe it was.

          • Truth > Fiction

            Hardly it was about her changing the dynamic of the work environment to one where she was in control…piss her off enough and she would whisper in lover boys ear and have your character diminished or eliminated. No PROFESIONAL would start a relationship with the boss unless it was one about power and control. Jeri is/was a mediocre actress at best. The only reason she got the job was because of her implants looking good in skintight uniforms.

    • annakatterina

      Why believe one side about “this person” years after the fact? That’s what gossip is, for the most part.

    • David Beachem

      I’m binging ‘Voyager’ this week and I’ve just begun season four; the beginning of Jeri Ryan’s stint on the show. So I googled Ryan and came across this article. If this is Mulgrew to whom they’re referring, I must agree 100% with you, Mat Rowe. It’s very disappointing! In my opinion, Voyager and its crew faced the toughest challenges of any ‘Star Trek’ crew, and Mulgrew did a great job as a strong compassionate leader. But, my enjoyment of the show will be diminished knowing how difficult Mulgrew made it for a woman who was just trying to do her job.

    • Respectfulguest

      Pure female envy and jealousy–Jeri Ryan is gorgeous.

  • James

    Jeri Ryan saved Voyager, she really did. Only when 7 of 9 joined the crew did the show become compelling – must see television. To me, it’s actors like her that can make a show great. Compare this with Enterprise – where none of the cast really came into their own.

    • Harry M.

      Only for two seasons though. Season 3 was a great effort, as were 4 and 5. The show suffered in Seasons 6 and 7.

      • James

        Agreed – the show had started to improve with season 3. Season 6 and 7 still had some bright points and Picardo and Ryan were always good value.

        1 and 2 were total dreck though 🙁

        • Hologram

          Yeah I don’t agree at all. The show was better when it focused on the entire crew and hadn’t become the “Seven of Nine” show where she pulls some deus ex machina out of her borg implants every episode.

          • James

            Fair enough, each to their own.

            What’s your favourite episode of Voyager?

          • Kevin Pritchard

            Omega Directive still rings true with me ….best voyager with a lot of potential ..agree best episodes were with the whole crew but OMEGA could’ve been a VOYAGER movie

        • flamingjune5dwj

          I totally disagree and personally love seasons 1 & 2

        • Respectfulguest

          I couldn’t stand the episodes with Picardo becoming yet another psycho character.

    • DaMac

      The Janeway/Seven relationship was definitely the best thing about that show. And Seven was also the best comic partner with The Doctor. Voyager is my least favorite Trek show but those relationships definitely make a lot more episodes bearable than there otherwise might have been.

      Also I disagree on Enterprise. I think Archer/Tucker/T’Pol really came in to their own over time and built more out of that show than existed on the page. They make seasons one and two watchable for me.

      • Virtus

        Your “least favorite”? It’s certainly better than non-trekky DS9 and Sisko’s constant overreacting when unnecessary, no emotions when necessary plus terrible writing and disrespect towards sci-fi, especially “sci”.

        • anon

          DS9? Oh yeah, that B5 infringement.

        • Bratista

          DS9 was great! You’re on drugs, go home!

    • Claire Madden Redshaw

      That is not true, I liked the character and the actress, but the show started revolving around her and it got extremely boring, seriously, how many times can a former Borg save the ship! They forgot they still had other characters that they just ceased to develop I still watched but it got increasingly annoying.

    • cred2029

      I don’t agree at all, she was an interesting character but how many
      times can 7 of 9 and her nanoprobes save the ship! It got extremely tedious and
      the writers got very lazy and ignored more than half the cast. And I can’t
      believe that after seven years of hard work from the cast they rewarded them
      with Endgame. Absolutely the worst Star Trek episode ever! Although the Borg
      Queen melting was good, but Chakotay & 7 of 9
      and him pining for her after her death? Honestly, are we expected to believe that
      would happen and for so long! They just completely dismissed the seven years of
      character interactions and let the audience down. They should all have been
      fired.If I had been one of those actors, especially Robert Beltran, I
      would have refused to do the episode, those lines he had to say were the worst
      I have heard in years. I remember looking forward to it until that picnic scene
      and then made worse by the Astrometrics scene, they should have just castrated
      him and got it over with! Voyager is still my favourite Trek show but only up to season four.

      • Beawild

        I agree about Chakotay and Seven. That relationship thrown it at the last minute was a joke and an insult to the audience. Voyager should have ended with Janeway and Chakotay hand in hand. C/7? Please……..

        • Bratista

          Mulgrew wanted to avoid that to keep the show from becoming “Melrose Space”. Because, unlike Ryan, she’s a great actress and could sell her role without sexing it up left and right.

          • Respectfulguest

            But there was subtle sexual/attraction/tension between them (Captain and Chakotay) throughout the journey…Chakotay was a sexy and attractive man.

          • Bratista

            Eh, not my type personally…

        • Truth > Fiction

          This was Jeri’s doing she insisted it happen or she would break up with the boss…he finally relented

          • Beawild

            It was a horrible pairing because it made no sense. They had zero chemistry and the characters were never close. It also served to anger scores of fans who felt that Janeway and Chakotay belonged together and would become a couple once they made it back to Earth and she was no longer his CO.

    • Bratista

      I liked Kes better. Seven felt forced.

    • Truth > Fiction

      Not even close after seven of nine for two seasons viewers were sick of her bad acting and shoving her fake boobs in everyone’s faces…ratings started to plummet ..she destroyed the show.

  • spockboy

    Interesting article! but for goodness sake hire a proof-reader! 🙂

    • Hi spockboy, we transcribed the podcast nearly verbatim — aside from any typo we may have made, all grammatical concerns are from the source.

    • SisterChristian69

      Oh, the irony…

      * “Proofreader” isn’t a hyphenated word.
      * “But” should be capitalized since it starts a sentence.
      * The phrase is “for goodness’ sake,” with an apostrophe.
      * You’re missing a comma after “sake.”

      Glass houses, dude. Glass houses.

  • bytes

    Any guess as to what episode she is referring to at 00:40:00 ? 🙂

    • Sykes

      Any time someone talks about “that terrible episode of VOY” I just assume they mean Threshold. 😉

      • Just a Guest

        I don’t think Seven was in Threshold, before she joined the cast.

        • Sykes

          Considering we’re talking about her watching an episode on TV that aired before she got the job, I have to ask…what’s your point?

  • MSR

    Hmm, it just sounds like the atmosphere on Voyager was pretty toxic to a certain degree. It’s sad, because it’s one of my favorite shows.

    From watching and listening to Kate Mulgrew on The Captains, and now reading this, I think we should look at Kate’s perspective as well. She was working insane hours, didn’t have a lot of family time, felt unappreciated on the set, and then they bring in this new person all while letting go of a character that didn’t need to be, and I think it’s a recipe for resentment and bitterness. It’s a shame that she took her resentment out on Jeri Ryan, who was simply brought in by the heads to spruce up the show. Just another perspective to add to the discussion.

    • James

      Not to mention that Robert Beltran was bad-mouthing the show whenever he was given the chance.

      http://www.firsttvdrama.com/funstuff/beltran.php3

      • G-dawg

        Funny, thing, though: nothing he said was wrong. 😉

      • Trekker_man

        Makes me laugh how, whenever this horrible stuff that Mulgrew visited on Ryan comes up, sooner or later someone tries to deflect attention from it by bring up Beltran’s bad-mouthing the show. They are two completely different situations imo. Beltran was spot on with a lot of his criticisms of Voyager. Mulgrew, in this situation, bullied a co-worker for years, going out of her way to make the poor girl sick to her stomach at the thought of going to work each day. That’s appalling! I for one shall roll my eyes and shake my head every time I stumble across one of those holier than thou interviews Mulgrew gave decrying the unprofessional behaviour of others (ie Beltran) on the cast. What a hypocrite!

        • Bratista

          Oh bs. I bet Ryan is exageratting. Maybe she felt sick because she was banging her boss to get ahead.

          • Respectfulguest

            Obviously you are not a woman. If you were, and you were ever on the opposite side of a bullying high school or adult woman, you would understand.

          • Bratista

            I am a woman. Yes, people can say thimgs that upset you, but a real person gets over it because they aren’t a sensitive little snowflake. Clearly Ryan had no self confidence, why else would she sleep with her boss?

          • Liam

            Although I wish I could say that’s the truth, she’s not exaggerating. Listen to podcasts with Garrett Wang. He tells the whole truth. In one, he expresses how other members of the cast dreaded doing scenes with the two of them because it was so difficult (and let’s face it — the difficulty was not caused by Ryan). In another youtube interview (taken recently) he actually breaks down crying in front of a live audience, explaining how he kept trying to rectify the situation.

            The facts of the matter are, Ryan took a job and got bullied by a co worker who was angry for a number of reasons and took it out on her. Mulgrew has pretty much admitted as much at this point, and now they ever do interviews together. So I think it’s disingenuous to question what Ryan presents here.

          • Truth > Fiction

            Kate never admited to bullying her. She said she did her job and that was it . Nowhere was it in her contrack she had to be nice to her.
            Robert Beltran said it best with ONE example of what happend to the show after Jeri started banging the boss, “Jeri Ryan insisted on a kissing scene with me. It would’ve happened earlier but Brannon Braga only caved in after she threatened to break up with him.”!
            Jeri was nothing but a manipulator and liar who kept her job and the focus of the show on herself by stricty by controlling the boss by leading him around by his balls.

          • Liam

            Oh come on. Beltran was apt to say anything and everything. I’d doubt there’s too much truth, or accuracy in that.

          • Truth > Fiction

            Believe what you want but Robert was not the only one who srated that fact.
            Jeri made no secret of her intimate relationship with the boss and used that relationship to keep the focus on herself whenever they started to cut her characters screen time throughout season 6 and 7. Robert, Garret and Wang and Kate have all talked about how Jeri manipulated the boss to keep herself center of attention during those last couple of years.

        • Truth > Fiction

          Please Kate did not such thing, Kate was fighting back against Jeri using her sexuality and her relationship with the boss to control the show and it’s focus to all being about her!

          • Liam

            As Ryan stated, the relationship didn’t happen for a couple of years. So we still have 2 full years of bullying to account for outside of the relationship.

          • Truth > Fiction

            Bullying according to Jeri….who is prone to exaggerate everything and anything to get a little media attention . It was no secret on the set that after 4 &5 she used her relationship to her full advantage to make it the Jeri show.

          • Liam

            I really, really don’t think she ever wanted it to be the ‘Jeri show’. In fact, as much as I think Mulgrew is a fabulous actress, I think if anything, she wanted it to be the Janeway show. I recall interviews with her and with Braga from way back when. He said in one that when they finally had a meeting (this was over hiatus after season 4 when their contracts were up for renewal) that Mulgrew told him that she felt the show should be more about her character. And we can see the effect of that. The first episode of season five, ‘Night’ goes right back to the roots of the show: the decision to destroy the caretaker’s array and Janeway’s ongoing feelings of guilt regarding that, thus reestablishing Janeway as the protagonist.

            Now I’m recalling something from more than 15 years ago, but I stand by that.

            Also, Jeri was offered a decent role in ST: Nemesis, but turned it down because she saw it as her opportunity to break away from ST. Seems like a mildly passive aggressive move to me — an f.u. to the franchise where she experienced so much difficulty for four years, while trying to simply do a job.

            That’s my take on it.

      • I suppose Beltran was adequate on that show. However, all the episodes he was central to bored me. There was nothing compelling about his character at all. Why he would badmouth a show which he’s known best for is beyond me.

        • Truth > Fiction

          He did not bad mouth the show he told the truth about the show. Especially about how Jeri constantly used her relationship with the boss to keep the show centered on herself and push to storyline she wanted. If she did not get her way she constantly threatened to break up with him unless he relented.

      • Truth > Fiction

        He was not bad mouthing thw show but speaking the truth especially how Jeri used her relationship to get whatever she wanted on the show.
        “Jeri Ryan insisted on a kissing scene with me. It would’ve happened earlier but Brannon Braga only caved in after she threatened to break up with him.”!!!

    • Kevin Pritchard

      sounds to me like fans need to realize the sexism that goes into network tv shows…i can see why the media and ppl jump up and down about Shonda Rhimes and what she does …and even she recently got some sexist remarks…personally Janeway was a good captain overall…and i like Seven as a character but i do think UPN as a whole were sexist from the get go …

    • Bratista

      Mulgrew owned her role and then some sexed up tart comes on the show and bangs the boss, detracting from the amazingness Mulfrew brought to the show. I side with Kate!

      • Truth > Fiction

        Same here. Robert Beltran said it best with ONE example of what happend to the show after Jeri started banging the boss, “Jeri Ryan insisted on a kissing scene with me. It would’ve happened earlier but Brannon Braga only caved in after she threatened to break up with him.”!
        Jeri was nothing but a manipulator and liar who kept her job and the focus of the show sticky by controlling the boss by leading him around by his balls.

  • SisterChristian69

    Kate Mulgrew was the worst part of that series onscreen, so it’s no surprise to hear she was also the worst offscreen. She said every line as if a bleating sheep was stuck in her throat, and her facial expressions were over-the-top and loopy. By far, she was the worst character. So, naturally, she was not happy about this new development–she was being upstaged by a much better character being played by a MUCH better actor.

    • Kevin Pritchard

      DISAGREE…. captain Janeway was more realistic captain than the others …she worked hard because of the fact that she was the first female captain …and the scrutiny was intense …damn media heads ..

  • morn1960

    mulgrew was not even supposed to be there, she was a late addition because the original actress couldnt handle the schedule. I had seen Ryan on Dark Skies and knew she could act but the costume was ridiculous, very distracting. you had mrs columbo on one side sex goddess on the other things were bound to be difficult

  • Chris915

    I still prefer Mulgrew over Geneviève Bujold… she just didn’t seem to add any emotion to the role.

    • Adam

      Bujold’s performance was definitely really flat. As cool as it would have been to have a local accent on the show (and since that’d make it part of the character’s backstory, maybe explore a bit of that heritage), it just wouldn’t have worked out very well.

      On the other hand, Picard was super stiff for the first season of TNG, and changed substantially by the second…

  • CoolGeek

    Whatever the conflicts, iv had the pleasure of meeting both Kate Mulgrew and Jeri Ryan seperately at both Destination Star Trek conventions ( Mulgrew in 2012, Ryan just last month ).Both are terrific actresses and were great guests.Im sorry if they did not always get along but this never showed up on screen and their relationship on the show were one of the highlights.

    Just goes to show that not everybody has to get along to produce great work.

  • mswood666

    One of the biggest problems with Voyager was the shake up in head writers between seasons one and two (and of course carry over because of how they broadcast into season 3). While the conflict between Taylor and Piller was by all accounts purely creative and never personal, it really hobbled the first two seasons. And Taylor third season was extremely uneven, until about 2/3 through where it finally found some solid story telling. But that’s an incredible long time for a show to find it’s voice.

    For myself the first third of Season one, the last third of season 3, and seasons four and five are what I fondly remember for Voyager.

    • DaMac

      Four and Five are definitely the highlights for me as well.

    • kadajawi

      Yikes. Taylor. The woman who killed continuity. May she go to hell… Voyager could have been great, but it would have required someone like Ron D Moore or Ira Steven Behr. I mean, as a writer she is fine, doing a couple of episodes here and there. But running the whole show…

      • Paul

        Behr made all the crap ferrengai episodes of deep space 9 and pretty corny he wears those sunglasses all the time.

        • Sykes

          Oh no, not sunglasses!

          I’m not even going to bother defending his writing. Anyone who looks at his writing credits on the show can decide for themselves.

          • Paul

            Ferrengai episodes are bad and profit and lace is probably the worst ever trek episode.

        • kadajawi

          I liked all the Ferengi episodes (Little Green Men was absolutely great). I liked Yesterday’s Enterprise and pretty much everything he did on DS9.
          And to top it all, he is to be credited with the Dominion Arc… the best thing that could ever happen to the show. And he was FOR continuity. Unlike Taylor.

          • SFSeries&Movies

            I can only agree with you, he made a very special kind of Star Trek. 🙂 Did not like all Ferengi episodes though! 🙂

          • Just a Guest

            The Dominion War is the worst period in Trek TV History, hands down, dumbest storyline ever, most unneeded schlock ever.

          • PC Master Race

            What? That was the highlight of DS9. Without it, it was a very bland and boring show.

          • Bratista

            Disagree

      • G-dawg

        Sadly, Ron Moore proved that he didn’t care one bit about “continuity,” just “the drama.” He’s no better than the writers who wrote for Voyager. One only needs to watch the new Battlestar Galactica to see that. His writing on DS9 was good, but I personally feel that was due to him not being in charge and being talked out of silly ideas by the other staff writers.

        • Jay Tester

          Ron Moore is awful, awful, awful. He’s more about fantasy than sci-fi and he mixes the two on a whim which causes the continuity issues…well, along with constantly changing his mind every two minutes. BSG ironically searched for a plot the way the characters were searching aimlessly for Earth. To lionize Moore is to prove your own naivety.

  • s2w

    Not to defend the alleged childish behavior described by Jeri Ryan, but Kate Mulgrew was promised from the beginning that abject sexuality was not going to be a part of Voyager. From the start, Voyager and her female captain fought to buck the system and not be a vehicle for the stereotypical guy-fantasy space show. Then they drop in six-feet of pure sex, barely clothed (sure the suit didn’t show any skin, but it was so tight, Jeri Ryan said it took half an hour to take it off just to pee) and completely incongruous to the previous storyline. Completely disrespectful to Mulgrew, as if she couldn’t continue to carry the show. And it didn’t help that Jeri started dating the boss…or perhaps it helped her more than it probably helped the show. Now, I LOVE the Janeway/7 dynamic, and if it shone through despite all of the strife, then both actresses deserve a huge dose of awe.

    • DaMac

      Yeah.

      The saddest part is Ryan would have looked even better in a Starfleet uniform as a field commissioned officer, in my opinion. Her catsuits looked silly.

      • Darkthunder

        Agreed. The image from ‘Relativity’ above shows what could’ve been. The skintight suit she wore, was at times meaningless. Might as well been walking around naked.

        • mswood666

          But see for me, Seven has spent years walking around naked. I don’t think as a Borg she wore clothes. I think its supposed to be part of her body, and surgically attached at that. So literally skin tight. Just as it took her time to adapt to other aspects of society, that also should have been something that she wouldn’t have just jumped into.

          • DaMac

            I think as soon as you get your emotions and individuality back you would go “whoa this skin-tight outfit and corset is super uncomfortable” and grab a robe. Maybe that’s me, though.

          • mswood666

            Yeah, but seriously when did Seven truly get a real sense of self. It wasn’t until the end of the 4th season that she realized she didn’t want to be re-assimilated.

            Really the only aspect, especially for her first solid year of growth that seriously made no sense was her wearing heels. That doesn’t seem to be something a Borg would do. But skin tight clothes, not really layered clothes appropriate, no that’s actually quite reasonable.

            Though I wish that was a point of showing her character actually develop. The most you could say on that is the degree the corset get removed with various outfits, the silver one was exceptionally uncomfortable (visually its the one that did look the best though, color wise).

          • viruzz

            what a church boy

        • jack

          I just wanted to bang her.

          • Darkthunder

            You and pretty much every other teenager (and probably quite a few adult) males 🙂

          • Virtus

            If you don’t want to fuck her and you’re interested in females, then you’re probably gay.

          • Adam Black

            Bullshit! Gay men love Jeri Ryan.

          • Truth > Fiction

            Speak for yourself!

          • Respectfulguest

            Do you mind the school boy locker language? Seriously as immature as Kate Mulgrew’s jealous behaviour towards Jeri Ryan. Can’t people learn to behave and speak like self respecting adults?

          • Truth > Fiction

            Please jeri did everything she could to keep herself as the center of attention of the series including dating and sleeping with the boss. Looking for the demise of voyager? look no further, jeri’s acting was contrite and just plain out bad, but hey when your banging the boss you have job security!

        • Virtus

          I disagree. Clothes she wore was efficient (like the Borg was) and didn’t get in the way. The fact that we found it extremely sexy is just our imagination not being able to let go of our instincts. It didn’t had to be that tight to her body but it was not meaningless.

          • anon

            Sweetie, skin tight clothes are not efficient. It was the 90s and scifi has always objectified women by having them wear clothes that enhance their curves. She was basically Counselor Cleavage for Voyager. The outfit was pure sex marketing and completely useless. If anything, I think Jeri should have been offended for being treated like nothing more than eye candy for teens to drool over.

          • Nima K.

            He means efficient at attracting the viewer’s attention 🙂

          • octoberstormxx

            Um, explain how the clothes she wore were “efficient?” As a woman, I can honestly say, there is nothing convenient about tight-fitting clothes. Having your boobs smooshed inside a skin-tight catsuit sounds like the most uncomfortable thing ever. Efficiency would be loose-fitting clothing that better allows for movement. Those catsuits, while they may be quite aerodynamic, actually restrict a lot of movement.

          • Truth > Fiction

            Really how many born wore skintight catsuits? ? It added nothing to being efficient all it did was hyper sexualize that character which was pointless to the voyager storyline. She almost single handedly destroyed what started off as good star trek spin off franchise

      • mswood666

        Actually While I wished they did eventually move the character into wearing a uniform (you could make the same argument with Kes and Neelix, yet rarely do I hear that), but I actually thought at first anything other then form fitting apparel would be something that 7 would have a very difficult time adapting to. I mean most of what she had worn for years appeared to be extremely form fitting if not surgically grafted to her body. In my mind the Borg are basically walking around nude, I don’t think of the look of the Borg to be a costume, but something that is a part of you.

        Though I do think seeing her eventually move to more normal dress would have been a nice small character bit, showing her slow adoption of human costumes. After all you could still wear fairly form fitting outfits, but usually they had some layers as well, just based off of some of Kes outfits.

      • Theresa DeLuca-Brensinger

        Agreed! Why the catsuit if not to play up her sexuality?

      • Respectfulguest

        I agree. She is such a beautiful and striking woman, they could have put her in any uniform.

    • Bratista

      Great point!

  • jon cockroft

    I doubt it was all day every day. I honestly think the reality was somewhere in between 😉 Must have been hard for mulgrew, the star of the show, busting her chops. Working late not seeing her kids and this new character suddenly blows in with all this sex appeal and ALL the attention. Can’t imagine Shatner would have took this lying down. I’m certain of that. Maybe she could have handled it better but I’m prepared to cut her some slack.

    • Darkthunder

      And also, while I believe Jeri Ryan to be a terrific actress (as is, Kate Mulgrew), dating/sleeping with the boss (Brannon Braga) probably helped her career on Star Trek quite a lot, which probably led to a lot of resentment, not just from Kate but also other cast members.

      • kadajawi

        But Ryan only started dating Braga after having been on the show for a while. So she didn’t get onto the show because of that, and she didn’t become the main character because of that. Ryan also claims that once she dated Braga the situation got better… Mulgrew must have feared her job/character.
        I would have expected Mulgrew to be smarter than this… it wasn’t Ryan’s fault that the show wasn’t doing so well and that the show runners thought they’d have to “sex it up”. She was just introduced to fix the show and make it popular, and really, didn’t it work?

        • bbock

          Yeah, but sleeping with the boss IS sleazy. Nobody else in the workplace enjoys when that happens because it makes the boss’ motivations untrustworthy. I’m surprised Paramount didn’t have a policy against that.

          • Liz

            So… was Lucy Lawless sleazy for marrying Tapert?

          • PC Master Race

            It’s Hollywood, what do you expect?

        • Daniel Shock

          Sometimes – when you are angry – it doesn’t matter how smart you are.

        • Bob Ross

          I am sure Braga hired her with this is mind, it just might have took him a year to pull it off. She maybe even dated him because she was getting crap on the set. That being said, both of them shouldn’t have done that, it is unprofessional and if I was on the crew or the cast, I wouldn’t have liked it, you know she was getting favortism or it would create the appearance of it. Especially on television, which is an ongoing process over years. If two people hook up on a movie, it at least only lasts for a month or two.

        • Truth > Fiction

          The show was doing fine…she may.not have gotten the job because of her relationship but she sure as hell took full advantage of it once she had it. She forced attention to be kept on herself and plots that she wanted like the one with Robert Beltran and a kissing scene. The others heard her tell the boss that if this did not happen she would break up with him…and guess what it happend. No she did jot make the show work the show was working for three years before she came along. If anything after season four and five people were bored with seven always being the center of every show with het nad acting while shoving her breastfeeding implants in everyone’s faces

  • radii

    Kate was jealous of the prettier younger girl – wow, woman hold each other back far more than men hold them back

  • SpaceCadet

    I think the difficult person Jeri is referring to is the girl who played Naomi Wildman. They shared a lot of scenes together. ;o)

    • Doodlee Pigvirus

      little monster.

  • Chewbacka Grizelda

    I think what’s petty is that this story was posted and the podcast was aired without even asking “the other character” for their side of the story. If it’s anything I’ve learned in this life, it’s that you can’t really have a full book with half the pages missing. Even if one person tells the truth and the other person completely lies about everything, everyone else can usually pick it apart and figure out what really happened, and it’s hard to get all the details with half the book gone.

  • SpaceCadet

    I think it’s great though that any personal animosity didn’t show up when viewing the acting. You’d never know it! So they were definitely capable and talented actors. And though I found Voyager as a series to be ultimately disappointing, the characters of Seven AND Captain Janeway as played by their actors were a few of the highlights. I cannot imagine another actress now playing Janeway. Mulgrew made her interesting, unique, and commanding. She’s great on Orange is the New Black, too by the way!

    • bbock

      That’s probably a testament to the editors. Man, what a toxic waste dump of a working environment. You have Ryan sleeping with the boss and being forced to slink around in a skin tight suit, Beltran perpetually pissed off and bad mouthing everything all the time. Wang being a party boy and showing up late and unprepared and then getting bitchy about it. (I have no sympathy for actors on a show that is successful who are raking in huge salaries who then complain about the writing and their character development. They’re being paid to look pretty and read their lines, not to write a show. And then of course they had Mulgrew being nasty to an actor for decisions made by others. I don’t care if she had long hours and was away from her family. Boo hoo. She’s signed up knowing she was carrying a show and would be required to put in ridiculously long hours. And she was compensated for her efforts. She’d never have to work again in her life, if that’s what she wanted. It didn’t give her license to make someone’s life miserable. I haven’t heard nasty things about Picardo, Dawson, McNeil, Phillips, Russ or Lien. And I never hear these horrible stories from people on TNG. They actually like each other. I think in part that’s because if you are going to spend a decade with someone, you might as well decide to get along.

      • Visitor1982

        As a matter of fact, I did hear stories on how the TNG cast treated Diana Muldaur (Dr. Pulaski) on set. She often left the set in tears because of the way she was treated according to a director who worked on TNG during season 2. Muldaur was originally going to be in season 3 (scripts with Pulaski in it were already written) But as soon as her contract was up at the end of season 2, she vowed to never work on Star Trek again. That’s why we never get a goodbye seen at the end, she wasn’t supposed to leave. Muldaur’s lines were then almost 1 on 1 transferred to Crusher for the first 4 scripts. The cast resented the fact that Muldaur got paid more than anyone else, except for Stewart. She was also going to be in the opening credits after Frakes, but other cast members objected. She was ignored on and off set and their anger bacuse of the producers firing Gates McFadden was all directed towards Muldaur. It was a nightmare for her.

  • Christopher Roberts

    That’s so sad. Like finding out George Peppard hated Mr. T.

  • Richard

    I’ve heard in other places that Robert Beltran (Chakotay) was really resentful towards her addition to the cast too…

    • CoolGeek

      Pretty sure he didnt resent the love scenes he was given with her though!

    • Trekker_man

      No, I don’t think he was resentful of her at all. He used to run lines with her – there are pictures on the net of them doing this, and there’s even one of them cuddled up on the bridge with Jeri in her white robe. They got on fine, and he’s one of her ‘boys’. He was, however, resentful of the witers only being able to write for Janeway, Seven, and The Doc most of the time.

  • The Voyager main cast was too large from the beginning. It’s hard to spread the stories around for everyone. Especially when half the male characters are blandly written and/or bad actors. And really, we should’ve gotten to know most of those 140 other people on the ship over the 7 years.

    Sorry that Mulgrew was a b***h to you Jeri Ryan!

  • Frontier

    Having only recently heard Garrett tell-all in that podcast, hearing this isn’t as shocking – but still. It changes the dynamic of that whole relationship on the show for me to know. :S

    • Trekker_man

      I think she whispers, “Shark”…

  • Dale Sexton

    I love how Aisha Tyler interviews. I hope she gets a chance to interview Kate Mulgew now. That would be interesting.

  • MRAAlternate

    There was only one time in the entire series when I was like… “huh, Jeri Ryan is actually very attractive” – the rest of the time I just felt: “why did they put that ridiculous outfit on her that makes her look like a DC Comic book character in a land of professional Starfleet personnel?”

  • Laura Carol

    would it make me a really REALLY terrible person to say that the story of how Melgrew shut the door in front of seven’s make up team made me laugh hysterically?? It probably would, I’m sorry, but I can’t help feel just a little bit of simpathy also for Kate =)

  • woobiesftw

    As a kid I was ENTHRALLED by Voyager. I was so small, my world view was so very much shaped by Star Trek and Seven of Nine and Janeway. Then as an adult I took up filmmaking, went to LA, and I learnt. I learnt that drama exists off cameras. Like a circus, the atmos in the tent can change positively or negatively with anyone and everyone. And it can really affect what eventually gets on screen for the audience. So much so that filmmaking still isn’t really regarded as fine art, because it’s almost like catching lighting in a bottle. So a professional’s temperament and tolerance is EXTRA important when you’re living the set life.

    So.
    Regardless of who’s right and who’s wrong. I respect all these actor so much. Because that show, Star Trek Voyager, really REALLY required so much sacrifice, everyday. Just what Jeri Ryan’s describing right here, not many people can survive that life and performed as well. The crew life too. And in the end, it all paid off! The character and series yielded such legend, great stories and inspiration. So regardless of how awful they had it, so sorry they had that, but THANK god for them. Because that series got completed properly, it didn’t get cancelled, and it influenced so many around the world.

    Perhaps being a filmmaker allows me that distance between reel and real life. Even hearing about these unfortunate stories, I can still re-watch Voyager and be all proud of that show. Cause look what great cast and crew they are, they were unhappy but they MADE BELIEVE a wonderful family. A wonderful show that painted so many great messages about humanity, hope and love. And that was the most important thing about art, especially science fiction.

    Also, I do think that the industry is changing for the better, though slowly. Few people get to air it all out. Play nice, but please reject and defend yourself from bullshit. Refine professionalism and goodwill where-ever you are.

  • Cito Kurrukan

    Jeri Ryan’s character did seem among the most interesting in the Trek ‘verse. I real borg babe.

  • honor

    Voyager didn’t get good till Seven of Nine joined the show. So, it was a very good idea to make her a part of the crew.

    I didn’t notice the dislike between Kate and Jeri. But I’m very disappointed to hear that Kate didn’t like all the attention Jeri was getting.

    Between the Doctor, and Seven of Nine, they carried the show. Without them, the show would have failed. Most of the other characters on the show, were forgettable.

    Star Trek: TNG pretty much every character was likable. You cared about the characters, same with the first series.

    They are making to many shows/movies now, that you could careless about the characters on it.

    • Mindful

      You would not have needed
      their superb interaction all the time if the writers/producers had been doing
      their jobs right in the first place. Using two to three of the same characters
      week in week out is ridiculous and an insult to the franchise. If they had
      developed the other characters correctly they would not have had to rely on
      Seven and her appalling cat suit. I liked the character but it got
      sooooooooooo boring with her saving the ship all the time. And Robert Beltran
      was correct in his criticisms, just because they are the actors and paid well
      doesn’t mean they have no right to complain. If you worked in an office and
      were treated unfairly wouldn’t you complain?

  • Kat

    I, too, feel that Mulgrew was in essence undermined by the addition of Ryan in that way. Yes, Kate was misdirecting her anger, and that was awful, but Voyager did start off with the premise of the strong women being the body of its cast, and it’s easy to see why she’d feel so betrayed.

    I don’t think Kate is a prima donna in this way, so it’s sad that this is the story to come out of it.

    As someone else said though, this never appeared to bleed through into the screen, so it’s a very strong credit to both on their acting skills.

  • Klingon Trader

    Here’s what Kat had to say about Jerri Ryan
    “We did not have a deep friendship,” Kate said. “I think Jeri Ryan did a marvelous job in a very difficult role. It was very clear to anyone with eyes in their head that Jeri Ryan’s beauty and sexual appeal were an important part of the numbers. I had thought ‘damn, we were going to forgo all of this with a female captain.’ But the demographics proved the audience wanted more sex and they got it in that beautiful, talented woman.”

    • Bratista

      Because Mulgrew’s a class act!

  • Virtus

    What does Mulgrew say about all this? I can’t just conclude everything just from this simple interview. I need to hear the other side. It’s like the Bible…as far as I know – Devil didn’t write any books, but we still need to hear his side of the argument, right? Who knows what kinds of deception and lies are in there… 🙂 and maybe it’s just her own point of view. Each person sees things differently

  • Beawild

    Jeri Ryan was brought in because most of sci-fi shows are watched by young men. TPTB wanted to increase ratings by bringing some T&A. No offense to Jeri Ryan who does have acting skills and created a memorable character, but I can understand Kate Mulgrew’s resentment. She was the lead role and felt that sexualizing the show was unnecessary and chauvinist. One reason why there was never a Janeway/Chakotay pairing was because Mulgrew was against it. She felt that as the first woman captain, it wouldn’t be right for her to be seen sleeping around with her crew. She wanted to be a positive role model for girls and women. As for the feud with Ryan, I will withhold judgment until I hear what Mulgrew has to say. There’s always two sides to a coin.

    • Bratista

      YES!

  • John Roberts

    I just whisked by this site and this is the first time I’m hearing all this. Where does one go to start at the beginning? I hear the complaints, but no details. Having worked in a number of offices where tension was high, I learned that management rarely does anything to remedy such situations. Having to work in these environments, which always involved women managers, was horribly uncomfortable. Upper management didn’t like these managers at all, but they refused to remedy the problem…so the problems went on for years. And these problem managers were especially tough on the women who worked for them, not us men. Many of the women in these offices were so traumatized that it affected their health. One problem manager would arrange to go on leave, everyone would sort of celebrate her leaving, then on the first day of her leave they’d come in and see her white Cadillac parked in its usual spot. She’d changed her plans and decided to come into work!! Really, if this woman had been murdered, they would have had to arrest all of us! Just one rotten person who was convinced she was right and everyone else in the office (as well as her bosses) was wrong.

    Such people must know the hostile effects they have in a functioning work environment, yet they go on for years like the EverReady Bunny!

    So, again, when did all this start?? Where can one go to learn more?

  • Eric Miller

    The fact is there are two sides to every story. I have always had and still do have the upmost respect for Kate Mulgrew as an actress and a person. I have been in situations like this before and everyone thinks they would act a certain way until they are in the hot seat. Does it make it right? No. Does it mean we shouldn’t judge a lifetime or even a career by indiscretion in the most difficult of circumstances? Yes. Again, there are two sides to every story. To reduce this to jealousy is laughably stupid and implicitly sexist, as though an older woman must be jealous of a younger woman due to vanity. Voyager tried to sell sex and Kate had a problem of pricniple with that. And who can blame her?

    • Qupqak

      I was in a hot seat once, in my parents car. It kept getting hotter and hotter. Finally, I realized that my purse hit the button on the side – it was just the seat warmer.
      BTW – I’m almost positive it is illegal to sell sex, so someone should have let the Voyager folks know. But maybe not in California, who knows?

  • John Roberts

    These interviews are useless. They purport to tell you everything, but end up telling you nothing! I’ve had to work with several difficult people in my life, and working and sometimes socializing was always dreadful. Yet we never get any specific stories. Just how did Kate make life miserable for Jerri and did the other cast members take sides or just watch? And why would Kate hold Jerri responsible for a move the network made? What did she wasn’t Jerri to do, quit? They had to almost beg Jerri to take the part.

  • John Roberts

    Voyager was the best of the STAR TREK shows, with a better track record than even the original series, production-wise. Still, it was entertainment, and I’m sorry to hear that Kate made life so miserable for Jeri Ryan just because she didn’t approve of Ryan’s character. What if Patrick Stewart had considered Janeway nothing more than a nod to political correctness and had treated Kate like dirt? Everyone wants to be treated well, and professionally (just as Kate did). And though I imagine Ryan could be a bit hard on the nerves, the fact that she was easy on the eyes was not Ryan’s fault. When it gets to be so much of a problem that a co-worker dreads coming into work because of you, you need to do a little more soul-searching.

    • Bratista

      She has a weird face

    • Bratista

      And screw that, I bet Ryan was exageratting. Oh pity the poor girl who sleeps with her boss!

  • Lyta Alexander

    At one convention Mulgrew asked the camera people to stop recording and then said some bullshit she never had anything against Jeri apart of her being constantly late. What are read above, the nasty petty things, that happened to me in my previous job. I was being bullied by this kind of psychological terror and I was sick to my stomach every morning just thinking about sitting in the same office with that person. And subsequently I was always late or calling in sick because it took a lot of nerve to pressure myself into going to work. In the end, I transferred to different position in the company. I thought she was bullying me for being a woman, skinnier than her or for having bigger boobs. But no, now she bullies in the very same way my replacement, a man.

  • Kerry P. Kleinbergen

    I’m wondering if this tension just made the scenes and the characters more rich. My fave episodes were always with the Captian and Seven. In the end, the tension made great TV.

  • Beawild

    OK, Ryan vented her spleen about Mulgrew. Now I would like to hear Mulgrew’s response. It takes two to tango.

    • Ayadove2

      I’ve heard the saying often about taking two to tango and would like to know what you think about this one, it takes just one weak link to break a chain. The off-set atmosphere can be broken by just one actor. It happens.

  • Don Mullican

    Personally I never liked Mulgrew. She just didn’t make her character believable. Strangely enough, the little blonde, whatever her name was, had an episode where she was the main character and surprisingly made a more believable authority figure. Mulgrew just came across as whinny, bitchy, and not truly believable.

  • Harald

    The episode she watched must have been the one which Paris and Janeway turn into newts and have children, lol. It’s the crappiest episode to come from of a Trek writer ever.

    • Qupqak

      Ridiculous! Best episode ever! It reminded me of the time my friend and I got stuck on 495 around DC. Then finally we found a rest stop, but were accidentally changed into salamanders and had a litter of puppies. Good times.

  • STERLING ARCHER

    I guess Mulgrew realized she wasn never going to be the hottie on the show and didn’t like it. I never got into Voyager because I felt Janeway was so boring and uncharasmatic. Though 7 of 9 was the hottest woman with very few exceptions on Star Trek.

    • Bratista

      She didn’t want to be the hottie. She brought a lot of depth to Janeway and made that role great. What a shame that they tried to sex things up by adding Seven

  • Christopher Brown

    Lana… Lana… LANA! LAAANNNNAAAA!

  • bugzzz

    It’s true that the character of Seven was rich with possibilities and storylines. I can see how others on the show might have felt diminished by her addition, though it made the show more interesting. I thought she did very well in a challenging role. The catsuit had the intended effect – it generated a lot of publicity. Men aren’t complicated. Neither are women. We admire pretty people, especiàlly with talent. TV is probably a neurotic job when you know it’s not all about your talent. Or not always.

  • Cristie Mayor

    They may have meant it at first about not turning Voyager into a sex-pot show, but the ratings were falling badly, as I recall, and they had to spice it up for younger viewers, or cancel, which would destroy their major attraction series. If Mulgrew was angry, perhaps it was because they changed the theme and focus, and frankly, she was no longer the female focus. I’m a very old woman and I recognize her need, but it’s terribly mean to make it unpleasant for Ryan. I think how Mulgrew must have felt when they took hours to be sure Ryan looked perfect, while Mulgrew was simply to one side, looking merely ok. I am sorry Mulgrew didn’t take it better. Mulgrew often played a “pretty girl” before Voyager, but when Ryan joined in season 4, Ryan was about 32 and Mulgrew was about 43. It is hard for an actress to know that a sexy girl has been added because maybe she’s a little too old to fill that slot. I like Voyager fine; I do wish they had done more episodes with Russ and/or Beltran as the focal character. Particularly Russ. He was good.

  • supercyberfunk

    I call this the “Star Trek Curse”. It’s happened on just about every Star Trek set. The Next Generation is no exception, though very mild and very few arguments compared to the original series. I tried looking up DS9 contention among cast, but can’t find any. Michael Dorn said that it was a more serious set than the TNG set. The “Enterprise” cast just would talk crap about the writers and the producers.

  • annakatterina

    This is just unprofessional of Ryan to drop hints about “this person’s” slights of years past… -ugh- She’s now a famous actress and clearly not hurt. Mulgrew was probably just annoyed that they added sex (with tons if extra fru fru) to the show so late, when they could have writen more imaginatively for everyone. All the actors worked non stop, but every scene things stop for half an hour to redo 7’s makeup or peel off her cat suit? Mulgrew wasn’t the only one annoyed.

    • Bratista

      Ryan is a petty, dumb slut.

  • Jennifer

    I kinda find this topic distasteful. But if I were in Mulgrew’s position I don’t know how I would have reacted. Even though I adored the whole cast of the show, when Jennifer Lien left I was pretty upset and shocked at her departure and couldn’t believe they were bringing in Jeri Ryan. I felt like she was there just because of her looks..and looks only. I for one didn’t particularly care for her at all and she was my least favorite of the show. Of course I’m a completely different opposite fan from others who adore her and don’t really like her. But I did tolerate her on the show.
    The thing that really grated on my nerves was when her character and Chakotay got together. I was like: what the hell?!? I was extremely disgusted and very much torn apart by it because I had wanted him and the Captain to get together so badly.
    Back when I was watching it I adored it for what it was-wonderful entertainment. Now that I watch years later I can indeed see the inconsistencies and can understand why some fans felt jipped by the series at the end.

    • Bratista

      Agreed

  • Mike Pilgrim

    There was room enough for both characters, even more, B’Leanna, Chakotay, Tuvok, for example, petty jealousy impunes the character of the person.

  • PC Master Race

    So Kate Mulgrew was probably right to be hostile with worthless Braga ruining the show by bringing on an obvious sex piece to ruin the entire premise of the show and then later banging her and shielding Jeri Ryan from not feeling special on the set.

  • Seth

    I suspected that Kate Mulgrew had a lot of negative feelings. Kate Mulgrew was the main star for three years and the show needed a change. What’s better: giving up a bit of the spot light or being out of a job when the show gets cancelled? It’s what makes the show a success and its survival is what is important.

  • Demode

    Jeri Ryan is an “in demand” actor who constantly appears on popular TV shows as a special guest actor. She was just recently on Marvel’s Agents of Shield. I think she is doing just fine.

    • Truth > Fiction

      Where she was absolutely terrible. Worst decision by marvels agents of shield.

  • Tracy Black

    I agree that we cannot know what the truth is unless we hear both sides of the story. I am in no way suggesting that Ms. Ryan is speaking hyperbole. She has chosen to sling the mud, rather discuss her perception of the relationship. My point is that we cannot know anything unless or until the nameless character has something to say about their perception and Ms. Ryan simply received the brunt of to accept a management decision that this opposing character had no say in (I have no way of knowing for sure if there were any discussions about the additional character). However, at some point you have to make peace with the fact that if I want this job, I will have to deal with people that for whatever reason we cannot get along. Be a professional and perform as the director asks.
    We have all experienced employment with people who are petty and abrasive. It may be different on a set where you are so close for hours on end, I have never acted professionally.
    I love the show and am still watching it on Amazon Prime.

  • Tracy Black

    I agree that without hearing both sides of the situation we cannot know what was going on at the time. I am in no way suggesting that Ms. Ryan has fabricated any part of what has been said. She is describing her experience on a very popular science fiction show. I believe that Ms. Ryan is not slinging mud as they say because the actor is unnamed.
    We cannot know if she was the recipient of misplaced anger because this actor had no day in the decision and cannot accept a management decision for the betterment of the show. The character 7 of 9 brought the sense of logic that has been on every Star Trek series since 1964.

    • Bratista

      Tuvok. Tuvok brought the logic.

  • acedynamo

    Oh, sleeping with the boss, the females secret weapon. Pretty sad…

  • James Wright

    The first few seasons of Voyager were so much more diverse. All the characters were utilized. As soon as Seven of Nine came on as a character, she dominates most episodes. The diversity is lost and all the interesting story lines that could have gone with it. Other actors on the set were upset about this as well, but for some reason everyone focuses on Kate Mulgrew? People love to pit women against women. One of the things that made Voyager so great was its strong portrayal of women characters through Janeway and B’Elanna. They were able to portray strong women, because they are strong women. Their effort to show strong females becomes all for naught because of all the air time given to a character and actress who was happy to be seen as nothing more than a walking catsuit. Also, gotta say, I am sick of reading about this bombshell and hot borg. To me, I don’t get the hype. She is a bug eyed, butter face with padded curves. I find the other actresses on the set much more appealing, but then again I enjoy integrity in my women.

  • dally

    Who cares if Kate and Jeri didn’t get along???….Chakotay just made everything perfect…ohh if only I have a chance to meet him

  • Bratista

    Seven of Nine, while interesting, seems to have been mainly added for the TnA.

    Given that Mulgrew told the writers not to hook up Chakotay and Janeway for fear of the show becoming “Melrose Space”, I can see why she would dislike the addition of a character who was more immediately for looks than substance.

    Plus Jeri Ryan has a weird face and I have trouble looking at it. Like, she’s pretty, up til her face and then it goes weird.

    I also liked Kes better as a character.

    And Mulgrew owned her captaincy!

  • Bratista

    BINGO!

  • Vinson Shinabery

    The extras on the last season 4 dvd of Voyager has interview where Braga and Piller, I think, not sure it was Piller, say “Kess’ character wasn’t working. BS! You know how long the writers sit around tables discussing “character development”? They made the decision . They weren’t working, the writers. Kess could have become ship’s counselor. What lame idea was it to put Kess and Neelix in bed from day 1? Not knocking Neelix. Ethan Phillips is great character.

  • Rob Rawcliffe

    “no talented slut?” Wow. Who she chooses to have relationships with her is by the by, the network brought her in, she took a job. Mulgrew was a child to behave the way she did. Jeri is an extremely talented actress, she pulled off her role very well.

    You’re an absolute prick to go around calling people you know nothing about, someone who is a mother a slut. It’s not like she did porn or sex tapes. She had a relationship with the producer, no different from the millions of people who have relationships with their office co-workers.

  • Jay Thomas

    I have the utmost respect for Jeri Ryan. She was, and still is a bombshell, but you never heard about her getting arrested for indecent exposure, drunk driving or drug possession. Too many actresses, celebs and debutantes of today must resort to stupid acts just to keep their names in the public eye. The decency of Jeri Ryan is proven in this interview.Even years after the show ended, Jeri Ryan still hasn’t named who it was that gave her so much grief on the show. That is class. When people judge her by the clothes she had to wear for work, I just point out one thing. Watch how you let your daughter leave the house wearing more revealing clothing than what Jeri Ryan wore on a show that was her job.

  • Many

    Let’s give Mulgrew a break here. Voyager was very sexist neutral up until 7 was introduced. Mulgrew having feminist sensibilities since the 90’s must have been very proud of this. Then all of a sudden this alien monster is turned into a hyper-sexualized woman! I don’t care how good of an actor someone is, but if s/he was Mulgrew then that has got to play games with the mind. Still she kept her shit together until the Krenim Imperium messed up the time line. That’s where I needed to take a break. Something happend… not sure what maybe the acting, maybe the production, maybe Mulgrews personal problems? But in any event I don’t fault her for that. btw- I loved 7 and thought she was just what was needed to spice up the show!

  • Maico400

    Actor should act and keep their mouths shut off screen.

  • Adam Black

    Could it be “the Doctor” Robert Picardo? and not Kate Mulgrew?

    She did steal his thunder of becoming human story line.
    And they interacted a lot

  • Thamarias

    I’ve been reading multiple version of the story (Ryan’s, Wang’s, Mulgrew’s, Beltram’s)….couldn’t believe it…..when you try to sum everything, it almost seems like they were jealous of her looks and looked down on her because of that (most of other staff were rather ordinary looking theatrical actors even when polished by makeup in front of the camera not to mention they spent 4 years in “nerd”-type of a show and all of a sudden this borg “chick” became part of the crew and captain’s pupil, not to mention drastic change in direction…I suposse that fandom divison started here at this point and tensions the actors had served as sort of a catalyst…and btw watch Jeri talking about it anytime…that cheerful always smiling woman is suddenly NOT smiling when asked about this…

  • Brumsky

    I started dating my wife when she was my manager nearly 10 years ago. Now we are married with 2 kids of our own and we’re currently fostering 2 others. Does dating my “Boss”, at the time, make me a whore? Simply, no it doesn’t. Just because you date your co-worker or boss doesn’t make you a whore. Only a jealous person would say that. Now if Jeri came out and said I slept with my boss to get to the top or to stay on the show, then yes she’d be a whore. From everything I’ve read that doesn’t appear to be the case. Maybe we should show a little respect and reframe from using the word “whore”.
    My take on this is that Kate was jealous. Why? Because as others have pointed out, she was casted to be the lead, strong, and intelligent female role – then they added in Jeri. Jeri’s character was always a strong intelligent female role. Never once did she have a bimbo scene or a “blonde” moment. This directly competed with Kate’s role, with one big difference. Jeri was able to do it all while being feminine/attractive.
    Now before anyone attacks me for being a sexist pig! My wife is a general manager for a fortune 500 company with approximately 40 people directly reporting to her. Several of which are other managers with people under them. She is very intelligent, strong, moral, and a great leader. Those are some of the many reasons why I married her. She is also extremely attractive. I’m not saying it because she is my wife. She’s always had guys falling at her feet and frankly drooling over her.
    I bring that up because she is a perfect example of a strong feminine leader. She’s changed jobs and had several people follow her, mostly women, because she is truly good at what she does and they see that in her.
    My point – don’t fault Jeri for being attractive. Her character was always a great example of a strong, intelligent woman AND it’s ok to be attractive. Being an attractive woman doesn’t mean you can’t be a great leader. A perfect real-life example is my wife. She does it every day while keeping my a$$ in line and I wouldn’t have it any other way! 🙂

  • rosie1843

    Hey! Mulgrew and Ryan didn’t get along. Despite this off-screen turmoil, they created on-screen magic for four seasons. Let’s move on.

  • Juliana Brown

    Jeri Ryan sounds like she was a kid, that hadn’t yet realized what it’s like to age. The evasion of saying Kate Mulgrew’s name is kind of annoying after awhile. Then ya go ahead and put a picture of her anyway? lol Nice.

    Maybe Mulgrew thought Ryan didn’t want to be fussed over and was doing her a favor, telling the makeup people to piss off. That’s how I would have taken it, if I were in Jeri Ryans position.

    Seriously, I hope she has better examples then this.

  • pete

    Watching the series on Stan. I’m going to give up googling the actors. Kess, et al. – so depressing. As far as Jeri Ryan is concerned….wow!

  • Qupqak

    I’m sorry Jeri Ryan had a difficult work experience. I know how awful that can be. I think it probably made her a stronger person, and better actress. G. Wang told Jeri Ryan that Mulgrew regretted what happened. Also, didn’t all this occur around the time Mulgrew found her real-life daughter. So, maybe the shows storylines of “mothering” a Borg were a little much at the time. There is no excuse for being unkind and disrespectful. However, we don’t always understand why someone is the way they are. I love Voyager, and I will continue to enjoy it.

  • Doodlee Pigvirus

    i don’t blame Kate. Ryan annoyed me with her unimaginative take on the character and monotonous vocal fry. i think that she CAN act, but was miscast in this role…for obvious reasons.

    -_-

  • Respectfulguest

    Any attractive lady will know this: it was CLEARLY, CLEARLY CATTY WOMAN JEALOUSY on the part of her ‘co-star’ captain. I am a woman, by the way.

  • Truth > Fiction

    It’s always interesting that from her perspective it was always “her” that caused the issues. She never accepts any responsibility for her contributions to this poor relationship….smh

  • Newhouse75

    look at Kate Mulgrew earlier work. Not the best movie career. Known for soap operas. She is in orange is the new black but I doubt she wouldn’t of gotten that had it not been due to the notoriety from Voyager. He voice sounds like she smokes 200 cigarettes a day and she has a younger, healthier and definitely a more physically gifted woman, more so then she ever was in her youth. She was the captain and she has some young woman jump right in elevated to the most interesting person at the time for the series. Its so obvious

    • Truth > Fiction

      Kate had a better and more productive career before star trek voyager. She had a much better body of work pre voyager than Jeri did.
      Jeri got her job on voyage simply because of her rack and how it looked in the catsuits. However once on set it did jot take her long to dig her claws into the boss and use him like a puppet to get her way on the show. She has no real acting ability to speak of. Her entire body of work 52 projects is all made up of an episode here and episode there with the exception of a few poorly made for tv movies and couple of big screen bombs.
      The main thing is that there was a lot of friction caused by Rick Berman/Brannon Braga deciding to fire Jen Lien to hire Jeri Ryan – Kate Mulgrew was furious and those two apparently didn’t like each other at all, especially after Jeri Ryan started dating Brannon Braga (one of the producers) and he started giving her more and more screentime as a result. That made the rest of the cast pretty angry – Beltran and Wang had no problems with Voyager for the first 3 seasons, but got progressively angrier after Jeri Ryan was hired, because her screentime came at the expense of development for the rest of the cast. From what I’ve read, there was also a definite “she’s sleeping with the boss and that’s why she’s getting more screentime” feeling on-set.
      Jeri was no angel on set and not the victim of anyone. She Elway vicious and ruthless and instead of her acting ability to further her career she used her sexuality instead because that is all she had.
      The show from the onset was not supposed to be overtly sexual in their characters ad the focus was supposed to be on a futuristic female captain who was smarter than most men who was beatiful but did jot have to use a false set of boobs to carry the show. The show was doing fine in the ratings before jeri was hired, but as I said above she virtually destroyed the show with her terrible acting and power hungry egomaniacal behaviour. Including, but not limited to, telling her boss/boyfriend that if they did not do an episode with Robert Beltran which had her kissing him in a romantic scene she would break up with him.
      Bottom line is Jeri’s career went nowhere after voyager and true to her real life guest for any attention she turned to exaggerating her time on voyager and fails to mention her treatment of everyone else on the show…funny that

      • Newhouse75

        sorry dude. I disagree. She had a bmovie career outside of star trek and throw momma from the train. In her youth she was tasked with the lead role in tv shows most noting mrs columbo. she dropped that ball in 13 episodes. It was canceled. You gonna go on Ryans Hope? In truth jeri ryan is having a similar career as kate mulgrew. give her time to get to mulgrews age then you can compare careers. sporatic tv apperences till orange is the new black. a few. Patrick Stewart married Wendy Neuss. Wait that was after the next generation had ended. Not to the fact that they were dating during tng. But lets just ignore that cause gee its Professor X. This boils down to one thing with Kate Mulgrew. The same thing it boiled down to with shatner and nimoy at first. Mulgrew was supposed to be the star and was but when jeri ryan hit the scene it was divided. She had a fan base. And Ive seen a lot of her episodes. How could you say they weren’t interesting. It opened up a lot more about the borg. You are correct.It came down to looks. But it is in womans nature to praise younger women in public but be envious behind the scenes. It happens to 90 percent of women. Lets go to everyday life with normal people. 9 out of 10 times a womans argument between one another is over looks. It sounds sexist but it is true. From the earliest recorded times to the present. When women comes to blow it is over looks. Stemmed by their vanity or by some stupid jerk they may be fighting over. Regardless of my opinion, kate mulgrew and jeri ryan have both done and contributed to society more then I have or ever will, and they have made more money the both of them. More then I will ever make

        • Truth > Fiction

          Well have to agree to disagree because to many of them said that after season 4 and 5 the dynamic on the set changed as Jeri was acting the like the queen and star of the show and no one felt comgot able being able to voice their opinions anymore because jeri bent bosses ear her way . Not to mention how quickly she broke up with him as soon as the show was over and he was of no more use to her.
          I feel like your missing the point of voyager to start it was supposed to be centered on Janeway a strong female based on brains and intelligence not boobs in a cat suit. I literally just finished rewarding the series on Tuesay for like the 12th time and i feel the same everytime….season six was the decline of the show with the constant ridiculous stories with seven seven seven….so…at the end of the day …we can agree to disagree. Kate had been nominated for an Emmy for her work…has Jeri?

          • Newhouse75

            I just remembered yet another example of looks prevailing over talent. Sliders. Sabrina Lloyd was a 100 times better actor then Kari Wuhrer. When Sabrina Lloyd did not like the direction the show was going in and the original creators left the show after season 3 they wanted to focus more on Kari cause she had a better body and they wanted something between her and Quinn. Kari Wuhrer was a b movie actress that was in the Beast Master 2 as her first movie. I’m probably wrong about it being her first movie. The only thing A list I remember seeing her in was The Adventures of Ford Fairlaine. They chose body over ability in that case too and the show sucked for season 4 and 5. Sabrina Lloyd was a talented actress, that because of that bad taste in her mouth, has not done much since

          • Truth > Fiction

            Right but again there was no jealousy on the part of Kate because of her looks. The animosity for season 4 and 5 was because Brannon Braga was writing with his little head instead of his big head. They rushed through (which made no sense) kess’s evolution to make way for boobs Mcgraw.
            Season 4 and five was okay but when Jeri’s storyline started getting boring and repetitious in season 6 and they started to explore the others a little Jeri specifically used her relationship with Brannon to get the show focused back on her no matter how ridiculous or boring the storyline became.
            Jeri said this herself about people’s attitudes towards her “it was really, really tough the first couple of years. and there were many days when I was nauseous before going into work because it was that miserable. Just unnecessarily, intentionally unpleasant.” She offend this with her usual whiny egotistical attitude. Then went on to state,” it was unnecessarily unpleasant for a couple of years — basically, until I started dating [Brannon Braga]. Once I was dating the boss, funny how things suddenly cleaned up!”
            I mean come on anyone with an ounce intelligence knows it had the appearance of searing up but it had more to do with the fact then when anyone said or did somthing that jeri did not like their character suddenly found themselves with very few lines or scenes because she just whined in Brannon ear boo hoo poor me and bingo…so of course after season five when she was dating the boss she kept her job and ruined the show by using sex and her relationship with the boss to directly affect the moral of the rest of the people on the show. Jeri belongs in the analogs of history of STV as a bit of corrupt data that should have been purged.
            So yes the discussion about the lying manipulative ways that Jeri employed to keep her job and steal the show was disgusting instead of using any talent she might posses. At least Kate got and kept her lob because of her talent not a false set of boobs and by doing the sterotypical thing of sleeping with the boss.

          • Respectfulguest

            So much opinionated hatred for Jeri…You somehow know her real feeling, her real motives, her real emotions….Are you sure you aren’t Kate Mulgrew writing! LOL!

          • Truth > Fiction

            Not hate…I just happen to despise the methods she employed to hi jack the show. Like I said I just finished re watching the entire series and all though there were periods of good acting for the most part I found it terrible on her part. I despise that she allowed then to stick her in such form fitting outfits that nothing was left to the imagination. Since when did borg wear high heeled boots?
            There was nothing done on her part to make her and her character anything less than sex appeal.
            I despise anyone who uses their sexual appeal to get ahead instead of using brains and character to get ahead.

          • Respectfulguest

            Then you must also despise the majority of actresses, as they pose nude for magazines, selfies, ‘roles’, etc. I have no respect for them. Look, they sell their souls for their ‘profession’ and a hefty paycheck, so how is Jeri any different by wearing a sexy outfit they told her she had to wear for the role? She is not to blame that she is beautiful and that her beauty got her the job and the exploitation of it for viewers. If we were in the 1940’s, I would understand your righteous indigation, but look around you at all the sexually suggestive (and worse) clothing and ‘acting’ (sex scenes which leave nothing to the imagination, for instance) which Hollywood imposes on the masses.

          • Truth > Fiction

            She also had a mouth and could use to manipulate the boyfriend to make it the jeri show after season 5 so she could have spoken up about the oversexualization of this borg characer. None of the borg were sexual beings or dressed that way. This representation is against all things borg.

          • Respectfulguest

            Agreed about not looking Borg, but LOL–a lot more pleasant, even for normal women like me, to look at !! 🙂 I am watching the series again now, and my husband and I love her role, her looks, her character. She could have worn flat shoes and she would still have been stunning. She could have worn a dress or even a sack, and again, she still would have been stunning, but seriously, it is only a show. You are getting way too upset!

          • Truth > Fiction

            What I get upset about I’d when people put down the others in the cast like she was so hard done by, she is an exaggerator and just puking for attention. Kate à was a consumate professional. I have stated the show was fine for season 4 and 5 but after that because of Jeri’s manipulations with her boyfriend the show went downhill fast. I just finished watching the series again for like the 11 or 12 time. I have never agreed with other trekie who have dissed the whole show.
            I just really wish a they had been more true to what borg wore etc and that would have given her character more legitamacy.

  • Keli Woods

    question.. is Eternal Tide Canon, and do Janeway/Chakotay actually get together in the book?

    really though, That’s what I want to see from the series… I HATE endgame, and I don’t consider Seven/Chakotay to be realistic as a couple at all in the series, it’s totally forced…