More talk of a Star Trek Beyond sequel is out this week from actor Chris Hemsworth, who notably played George Kirk – the father of Chris Pine’s James T. Kirk – in the 2009 film which rebooted Star Trek for the big screen – and who is expected to return in a planned TREK 4.

In a brief conversation with MTV News at the Golden Globes this past Sunday, Hemsworth made his first public comments on the sequel announcement – and while he’s not yet sure how George will return to the Trek universe, he’s already spent some time discussing the project with producer J.J. Abrams.

MTV NEWS: “What about ‘Star Trek’ – is that going to happen, do you think?”

HEMSWORTH: “Yeah, yeah. I’m not sure, exactly, of the dates, but I’ve spoken to J.J. [Abrams], and he’s got an amazing sort of pitch on the whole thing… [but] I don’t know [how George Kirk is returning].

But that one’s a little further off than the Marvel stuff [I’m involved in now].”

Hemsworth recently completed filming on Thor: Ragnarok – with fellow Trek actor Karl Urban – and is approaching the upcoming mega-sequel Avengers: Infinity War with Marvel Studios in the coming months.

STAR TREK 4 has been announced by Paramount Pictures, but no filming or release schedule has yet been confirmed by the studio.

  • James

    Hopefully Abrams is more involved with this one. The man knows how to make a successful movie.

    • Wes

      But anti reboot Trekkies want him gone… explain that

      • FrostUK

        Successful doesn’t always equal good.

        • Darkthunder

          Indeed. Abrams wasn’t involved in Beyond. Although it wasn’t as “successful” in terms of money, it was a far better film than either the 09 movie or Into Darkness.

          • Michael

            The only reason why Beyond appealed to some Star Trek fans is because of Pegg and Lin. They are soft fans of the show and tried their best to satiate fanboys without alienating the general public.

            Sadly, they failed.

      • James

        They’re a tiny minority, just quite loud. JJ wanted a Star Trek universe like the Marvel one. Unfortunately he was thwarted because the rights to Star Trek are split. This, he made Star Wars and Star Wars fans get to enjoy critical and commercial success, with a movie every year. Meantime, Trek suffers.

        • Michael

          Star Trek would suffer if it had a movie every year. Dumbed down stuff like Star Wars can handle it.

        • Michael

          We are loud because we hold the torch of the true meaning of Start Trek as
          Gene created. We are a dying breed, we have to speak louder to be heard and seen through all the lens flair and silted dialogue.

          • Bifash
          • Mrplatitude

            There is a way to talk about wanting to see more of Gene’s vision reflected in new Star Trek productions without being condescending and negative, as you have been in your many many comments on these articles. (In fact, that should be the only way to talk about Gene’s vision!)

          • Michael

            I am not being condescending and negative.

          • James

            The true meaning of Start Trek?

            To be fair Gene had influence on TOS, TMP and the first two seasons of TNG. He was pretty much ignored on the other movies and DS9 would probably have him turning in his grave. His idea of what Star Trek was also varied a great deal over his life. His voice is just one of many that have contributed to Star Trek. Bob Justman deserves almost as much credit for TOS in my opinion.

          • BURN IN HELL GENE RODDENBERRY!

            you can be as loud as you want whatever you are trying to do is irrelevant and you will fail. :p

        • BURN IN HELL GENE RODDENBERRY!

          The Trekies who complain about the new Star Trek movies are a Tiny Minority they are trying to destroy the new Trek, but they will ultimately fail JJ Abrams is laughing at them the Fans little rebellion is irrelevant.

    • Michael

      Abrams is a clown that should never have been let near Star Trek. He does not “get” it. He never has, and never will. Star Trek is not a dumbed down “pew pew laser blast” movie like Star Wars. He would be wise to stick to Star Wars since his talents are perfect for that franchise because it caters to absent minded violence and lacks a message. From what some Star Wars fanboys told me, he even screwed up the last Star Wars, part 7 I think.

      • BURN IN HELL GENE RODDENBERRY!

        Say what you want about JJ Abrams he is successful and the new Star Trek is successful because it is Pew Pew laser Blast movies with lots of Villains something that the Old trek Lacked.

  • Bifash

    Though I wish Justin Lin would come back as director, I suspect the studio on some level puts the lack of BEYOND’s financial success ( very wrongly ) on his shoulders.
    I wonder if they do end up making this film, will it be to cap off this iteration of the Trek movies ( unless it makes a bucketload of money ).

    I suspect if JJ Abrams were to come back as director, it may give the film the boost to connect with mainstream audiences who are by now familiar with his name.

    • Douglas Price

      The first two JJ Star Treks were great, Star Trek Beyond stunk, and the blame rests soley on the director. Cheap looking special effects, ridiculous stunts, poorly timed jokes, etc.

      • Bifash
      • Wes

        Blame the marketing and add to that a POOR release date. The marketing was bad and it all started with that teaser trailer that everyone hated.

      • Brian Thorn

        I like Beyond a lot more than Into Darkness.

      • Cabo 5150

        After some months of reflection, and the opportunity to evaluate the movies properly, at home, and outside of the initial “buzz” of the theatre environment – I do find Beyond to be the weakest of the Kelvin Timelime thus far.

        That’s not to say I don’t enjoy it by any means, but I do have some major problems with it – and they do, by and large, relate to the style of direction/editing.

        I find the editing to be extremely jarring in many places – too many close up’s, and way, way too many cuts. Jaylah’s first fight scene in front of, and shortly after meeting Scotty for example – you barely get the opportunity to take in a given shot/angle prior to cutting into yet another.

        Throughout the film, I often sit chuntering to myself: for pity’s sake, slow down with the edits – give me a wide, long, steady shot. Let me take in the beauty of the environment/FX – give me a chance to breathe.

        I didn’t really like the grading of the movie that much either – to my eye, it has that somewhat “washed out” digital sheen, and lacked the visual depth and “punch” of the previous two in that context.

        And in many areas, it was just too damn dark! The saucer flip sequence is ruined by this IMHO.

        The story, and particularly, the acting/characterisation, were excellent – and not every sequence suffers from poor editing. I genuinely have a lot of time for Beyond, but, for me, it could have been so much better had it received a slightly more restrained approach to direction/editing/grading.

        • Fctiger

          I think Beyond is probably one of my favorite out of the KT films BUT thats not really saying much either.

          And I will say while I think in terms of story its better, the story itself just isn’t very memorable. There is no real angle to it, its sort of all been done before and yes it has that Insurrection vibe, ie, feels like a filler story or another episode instead something compelling on its own. I think Beyond is an enjoyable film with a lot of good action but I think few fans can really say what in the film is truly memorable. What scenes do people think will be talked about for years from now? Nearly every Trek film has a few great memorable scenes people still think about decades later. You watch any of the fan made tributes on Youtube you see them over and over again.

          Beyond could be the Enterprise destruction but since its been done in two other movies already it just doesn’t feel as iconic. And people have to remember when they blew up the Enterpise in TSFS and Generations, these were ships that people were watching for a long time now. This ship didn’t have the same connection and it seem like it only pissed people off it was destroyed and not a sentimental moment.

          So yes it is in this odd place where it can be considered the best of the reboot films but the weakest at the same time. The story is good, but bland. The villain is interesting with his background, but forgetful. The cast is as good as ever but had very little in terms of development. We learn Sulu is gay, Spock and Uhura broke up and Kirk is now older than his father. I mean thats basically the gist.

          So it is in in this strange area onto itself. And I would say as much as some fans truly hated STID there was real passion for that film one way or the other. There isn’t a lot of passion for Beyond, it just feels like its just there, like another film in a line of them.

        • Michael

          Lin was confused and thought he was directing Fast and Furious….. in spaaaaaacee

      • Impecunious Joe

        I never saw Star Trek Beyond. The two movies directed by J. J. Abrams are my least favorite Trek productions ever – not just out of all the movies, but also out of all 700+ episodes of all six series. I didn’t bother seeing the latest movie because I didn’t want to spend any more time in that universe, or acknowledge its existence at all.

        • Michael

          Now we are talking, someone with sanity here. I though I was alone.

    • Michael

      I blame Lin as well. Whoever made the call on that absurd “fast and furious” style trailer should be banned from every going near Star Trek again. It showed a flagrant and obvious misunderstanding of what Star Trek is. Why do think real fans were upset by it?

      • ¡ zer0 !

        The first Beyond trailer was not done in house. Lin had no say over it.

        • Bifash

          Exactly correct. Lin did not cut the trailers.

        • Michael

          He filmed it, he should have screened his work to see how it was being portrayed.

          • Mrplatitude

            That’s not how marketing in Hollywood works. Directors don’t get much of a say in that process.

          • Michael

            It needs to change as it damaged Lin’s reputation for no reason.

        • Fctiger

          No Lin did not cut the trailers but the fact is the marketing people didn’t add the dirt bike sequence either and as we all now know the music used was actually a big component in it. Yeah the trailer WAS bad but they took elements from the film itself. Its not like they lied, what we saw in that trailer was essentially the tone of the movie. The problem was they didn’t make it feel Star Trek at all which the second one did a great job of at least but it was too little too late by then.

      • Rass

        Lin had nothing to do with that trailer, so your blame of him for that is misdirected. He’s on the record as having said he hated it, too.

    • Lubica

      I realy like Justin Lin but his focus and best work is in action, not momentum or relationships. JJ Abrams is better at that.

    • Fctiger

      I liked Lin’s direction on this film but YES there is one thing you can blame the guy on and why I think this film was partly less successful: His idea to blow up the Enterprise. That was the BIGGEST mistake this film made. And its been known for awhile now that was his biggest creative input into the script. Simon Pegg said he didn’t want to blow up the Enterprise, it was Lin who persuaded him. And maybe they couldve done it but not so damn early in the film.

      I think while Lin is definitely a fan and his heart was in the right place, these people have to remember for fans the Enterprise is just as much of a character as the crew is. Blowing it up so soon in the film was a big turn off to a lot of people, including me. When I saw that horrible first trailer the biggest let down wasn’t the music of the Fast and Furious style of it, it was knowing the Enterprise would be gone and they’ll spend all their time on that planet. For a lot of people, it sounded boring. It is a weird concept the idea of being stuck on an entire planet is somehow less exciting than being stuck on a tiny starship we seen over and over again but people at least want to know its still there just the same.

      Once he made that decision he blew off (no pun intended) he blew off a lot of fans. They will never admit it but it was probably that decision that help kill it at the BO regardless if the film ended up being good.

      • Michael

        It also made Kirk look like a fool for staying and fighting when he should have realized that his ship was not equipped to fight such an enemy. He ignored urgent sage advice from Spock, when he could have easily warped away before the swarm reached him.

        Instead, he makes the bizzare choice to fight a hopeless battle for who knows what reason. His primary duty was to preserve the ship at all costs.

  • Bifash

    Not so much “STAR TREK 4” as “STAR TREK: THOR”

  • Michael

    Please, no more of these nUtrek JJ verse movies. They have dragged the Star Trek name through the mud enough as it is.

    • pittrek

      So what else do you want? The TOS actors are either dead or way too old for another TOS movie. The TNG actors are way too old for a new TNG movie (especially Patrick Stewart). DS9 – the story of DS9 was properly finished. The same goes for VOY, it’s story is finished too. ENT – OK, they could do an Enterprise movie, I mean Berman even pitched a Romulan was trilogy before they kicked him out, but would it be succesfull? I mean ENT doesn’t seem to be very popular in America.

      So they have these options
      – do another reboot movie in the Kelvin timeline
      – do a brand new reboot – way too early, there is a danger it would end as The Amazing Spiderman or Hulk
      – stop doing Star Trek movies for another 10 or so years (and lose a lot of potential money)

      • Neil Kesler

        Exactly!
        People whine they want a new Star Trek series, then a new movie is being prepped then finally released, and what do they do? They bitch !
        Most of the negative reviews are from the viewers are just small puppies who started watching Star Trek when Enterprise was starting in 2001 , me almost 40 saw my first Trek movie in 1982 TWOK being five years old so I can honestly say Star Trek has seen some great movie and tv series over the years

        To conclude my post , if those negative fans are so picky, tell us exactly what you want in a Star Trek movie

        • Bifash

          “To conclude my post , if those negative fans are so picky, tell us exactly what you want in a Star Trek movie”

          I’d also apply that to any new Trek series, and to be brutally honest, some of the ideas the naysayer ‘fans’ do come up with are downright awful.

        • Michael

          If you have watched it since 1982, you should realize how flawed the recent nutrek movies are, and how damaging they are to the soul of Star Trek.

          • Neil Kesler

            I’m simply saying that the reboots are good movies but I’ll always be a TOS fan

            No movie is perfect, so let me ask you a question Mr Michael, what do you want in a Star Trek movie that will make you happy

          • Michael

            What is the text limit for a post? Lol

          • Marc Henson

            They are different, but flawed? That’s only your opinion. You should realize that.

          • Michael

            Actually, no. If there were a Ph.D in Star Trek, I would hold one. The argument you present is that someone who started watching Star Trek in 2009 with nUTrek is equal to me is absurd.

            I can say with authority they are flawed, and it’s a fact. Experience trumps feelings.

          • Marc Henson

            Jesus man, again you twist what I said. I never said anything about people who started watching Star Trek with the 2009 film…what are you talking about?

            I for one, have been with the franchise since TOS, and yes, we know more about Trek than people who started watching it in 2009, but again, that’s not the point.

            Clearly you cannot see beyond your own nose, or you simply intend to redirect me.

            All I said was that I’m well aware of the differences from the last three films and earlier Treks. That much you say is true.

            They are much more action oriented (although to be fair the films have been action films since the Wrath of Khan, with the exception of 4, although yes they’ve become more so in recent times because we are in the Post-The Matrix/Fast and the Furious era) and all that, more fun than cerebral, which has been a staple of Star Trek on TV.

            But the part you said that is an opinion only, is that it is flawed. How is it flawed? They’re just movies…there’s no rules….it’s a work of fiction…and I happen to love Star Trek yes, but I’m not about to deny that it is that. What you find to be a flaw others, including some long time fans, find to be cool.

            Do I think they’re perfect? No…I do not, but then every fan has their own idea of how to make a Star Trek film, and just because there is some stuff I may have written differently or not at all, doesn’t mean I didn’t enjoy it.

            The problem is Star Trek belongs on TV. For a long time we had it, it was there, and people consumed it like a good dinner.

            The movies are dessert. And although quite tasty, it’s easy to lose appreciation for dessert if that’s all a person gets. I for one am looking forward to DSC, and I also hope that it’ll make people appreciate the film’s more too.

            Thing is, people seem to forget how much negativity there has been toward the films for years…I remember it since Generations.

            I enjoy all the film’s for different reasons. Some are better than others…2, 3, 4, 6 and 8 hold a special place in my heart, but that doesn’t mean I don’t like the last three films.

      • Michael

        The overall flaw in what you write is the fact money should not be the primary motivation for making new Star Trek. Star Trek is the only show that delivers a quality message when everything is working correctly. The vision of Star Trek is optimism and the future.
        Gene and company had no idea if TOS would make money or not. They just tried to make the best stories they could with messages and commentary that fit the times. That is when Trek is at it’s best.
        I disagree that the TOS actors are “too old.” Ageism is ugly. It’s laughable that you think Patrick is “too old.” He is in fantastic shape physically and mentally. They don’t have to do stunts or anything physical to deliver a quality scene. Nimoy was ill and old when he did the nUTrek Star Trek’s.

        I have been a fan of Star Trek since 1980. If I were alive in the 60’s, I would have been a fan since then. If I were in control, I would do multiple series at once. Put it all on the network. Streamline the costs carefully. Do a special romulan war miniseries. Do the Voyager relaunch that follows what Kristen writes. Do the DS9 relaunch. There are so many rich characters in the novels to draw from and flesh out.

        I fail to see a reason why we have to have just one series at a time on the network. This is not years ago, television has changed. Syndication is gone. Online is the future.

        Throw lots of shows on the network and see what “sticks.”

        • Neil Kesler

          Sounds like you’re good at making some good enemies , Michael

          • Michael

            Do I sound like a person whom wastes time and energy caring about “enemies?” Lol.

      • Fctiger

        The reality is though the KT films won’t last much longer. The actors are getting older (dont mean that in a bad way only mean most will eventually just want to move on, especially the snail pace these films gets made), the films have never been a huge seller for Paramount and now after the third film flopped and they are no longer under contract its just going to be harder to make them.

        Now if the films made tons of money this wouldn’t be an issue because the actors would get big pay bumps and Paramount would make money to the point they don’t care. I’m guessing they will squeeze one more film out and then they have to think about the future regardless. Its no way these films are going another decade. So more than likely if they make part 4 and it still does under $400 million (which is pathetic for a big franchise these days since the average film with these kinds of budgets are $5-600 million) then its probably done.

        Sure they could just reboot another TOS type of films and they may just do that but I also think these films proves just making movies about Kirk and Spock isn’t an instant seller either. The first film was always going to do well just out of curiosity. Now that that curiosity is done they are going to have to find a REAL angle to use these characters if they want to drive it beyond just the most hardcore fans, which oddly this film series was mean to do in the first place but the BO for Beyond proved the casual audience just doesnt care and the old fans barely care. Something that will get people excited beyond just having a super villain threatning the Federation for the 40th time.

        • Michael

          Star Trek honestly was never designed for the big screen 2 hour movie format. It was designed for televison, with tight writing that provokes deep thinking and hope. Sure, there have been successful movies but they strayed from the core values of Star Trek.

          I am tired of having to repeat myself on this with people. Star Trek is NOT just some other franchise – it is special, a national treasure.

          It actually causes me emotional pain to see clowns like JJ, Lin, Orci, and Pegg screw with something they have no idea about. To them it’s just another project, a paycheque.

          • Fctiger

            I agree with you Star Trek belongs on TV first and foremost and why so many of us hope Discovery succeeds. But I dont agree it doesn’t belong in the films, its a show about a Starship exploring the universe, the themes gets no bigger for theatrical story lines.

            No what the PROBLEM is that the type of stories Star Trek tells is jut not as appealing for today’s movie audiences. But back in the 70s, 80s and even 90s you could tell Star Trek stories on the big screen when it wasn’t just about trying to squeeze a billion dollars out of it. I mean TMP is a bore of a film and it still managed to be the most successful Star Trek film because people were at least interested in the story at the time. Today TMP would be lucky if it broke even, no one wants to sit through that. But you can say that about a lot of films made at that time compared to today. Jaws would bore the pants off of people today if they recreated it frame by frame.

            Yeah its a different time and why the KT films feel more like Star Wars than Star Trek. But I don’t think its because they can’t tell real Star Trek stories. TWOK IS a true Star Trek story through and through and to this day the most successful in terms of its return of investment. Its still the most popular film in the series today because it got all the themes just right and I always remind people although its considered an ‘action’ film there were only two scenes we saw the ships actually fighting and there was only one explosion in the whole thing. The film relied mostly on watching the characters thinking through situations which what most of us think of Star Trek and not just aiming phasers at everything like the KT movies do.

          • Marc Henson

            I understand what you are saying. And I too hold Star Trek above all other franchises. It’s not just another sci-fi franchise.

            I do however disagree that there shouldn’t be films, as some of the films were very good. Don’t tell me you didn’t at least like the older ones. Come on man.

            I also like the IDIC. To me there’s room for a variety of types of stories to be told in Star Trek. Just like Doctor Who has spinoff material that is completely different from it, like Torchwood for example, Star Trek is a vast universe with tons of potential for stories. If Assignment Earth actually was made into a series, even you must admit, it would have been very different from Star Trek…it would have been in the Star Trek universe, but not Star Trek…is it so wrong, that material different from the Trek we are used to is uses for the films? Are you that biased that you cannot except them? You like Star Trek and it’s message, well the IDIC is among the most important of its messages, and you are not infinitely diverse.

          • BURN IN HELL GENE RODDENBERRY!

            Again that is why the new movies appeal to the mainstream audience it’s because they don’t care about that Deep Thinking crap that you care about Accept it you are the Minority there is a reason why Star Wars is worth 6 Billion and Star Trek is worth 2 Billion there is a Reason why Star Trek is a massive mainstream audience and Star Trek is a Small Niche audience there is a reason why the Majority of Star Wars fans know about Star Trek and they hate it and they prefer Star Wars go ahead and admit defeat.

    • ¡ zer0 !

      Because Enterprise, Nemesis and Insurrection didn’t do that at all….k

      • Michael

        Enterprise established quality canon. Insurrection and Nemesis advanced the prime timeline.

        • ¡ zer0 !

          Oh that’s right. My bad. Even poor star trek gets revered now since it’s “proper” Star Trek… Final frontier ? One of the best films of all time compared to Beyond…

          • Michael

            I agree that the delivered version of Final frontier was flawed, but that was because Shater did not get the time nor the budget he wanted. His vision was not able to come to fruition.

            What’s the excuse of these morons making the nuTrek crap? They have the budget and time they want.

          • ¡ zer0 !

            The studios. Nick Meyer was asked to direct Nemesis but he turned it down as he wasn’t allowed to do rewrites.

          • ¡ zer0 !

            Even if the exact same cast and crew made Wrath of Khan today it would still be action and explosions. It’s studio pressure.

          • ¡ zer0 !

            JJ refused to make Into Darkness in 3D. Paramount insisted or he would be fired. JJ had to compromise by filming it in 2D and converting it to 3D afterwards. Who knows what else they were responsible for ?

            It’s known that big Hollywood movies get un-credited re-writes from a third party if the studio is not happy. We’ve no idea what Paramount *insisted* on with the Kelvin Movies.

            But sure. Final Frontier is better than Beyond because it’s “proper” Star Trek.

          • Michael

            FF had many thought provoking aspects.

            Beyond had a shiny ball in space

          • ¡ zer0 !

            Whatever dude. FF had an alien who pretended to be God and an impenetrable barrier that 2 ships go thru with no problem whatsoever.

          • Michael

            I agree, audiences are getting stupider and execs think they only want larger explosions

          • Michael

            Meyer was playing hardball to try to get more money from the studios.

    • discsolo

      Really? That’s strange. I mean, I’ve been a really diehard fan of Star Trek for well over 30 years, love the original series most, over the other, generally OK to excellent , TV series that have continued under the title. And most of the original cast’s movie are terrific, with two of them being genuinely great movies in the broadest sense, and a third film an honest-to-god classic.

      So it comes as a strange and disturbing surprise to be told that J.J. Abrams’ movies, set in an alternate reality, created in large part by the actions of the original reality’s Mr. Spock (Leonard Nimoy), apparently drag all of Star Trek “through the mud,” as it were, when such a big fan as I, in fact, love the first of these films (released in 2009,) and was absolutely knocked over, blown away and marveled by the Abrams-directed film 2, INTO DARKNESS (which makes my very selective list of favorite movies, across the board, ever made), and while I was slightly disappointed by BEYOND (the lesser of the three) for several specific reasons, I loved or liked some of it, particularly the work of the cast.

      Am I really that wrong? Am I missing something? What’s the story here? Was it so wrong of J.J. Abrams to make Star Trek cool and damn exciting, smart and comically smart-ass, and both character-driven and culturally, politically relevent like it was in the late 1960s? I guess, I may just be wrong.

      • Michael

        I… don’t even know where to begin.. “culturally and politically relevant?” Are you serious?

        You think darkness is one of the best movies ever made?

        ……….

        • discsolo

          Serious? Always.
          Its relevance is rather obvious (though I will be happy to spell it out for you). And it carries a very similar strength to TOS’s treatment of the American war in Vietnam, only in the more hard-driving aesthetic and mindset of the 21st century.
          And yes, INTO DARKNESS currently ranks # 21 on my list of 100 favorite films of all time. (An argument I’ve happily made to those who so hate the film, often extremely irrationally – -actually, relatively quite a small group of Star Trek fanatics for whom the Internet is their only method of expression, more than they are fans, in terms of the cinema-going audience). ( And I’ll add not intending this last point to suggest I’m better equipped to judge a movie than y – – no, wait, I am; I am, professionally, an award-winning independent filmmaker and mainstream-successful screenwriter…. not that that’s actually a big deal, I just think it gives my view point some credence.)

  • Dennis Sisterson

    Anything but another vengeful villain, ***PLEASE***.

    • Michael

      I hear they plan to bring the Borg in, how about that? They want to ruin them now.

      • Gene’s Vision

        Where did you hear that?

        • Rass

          He didn’t. It’s made up.

          • Michael

            Not made up.

        • Michael

          Close source who is a friend who has worked on Trek form many years.

      • sw gs

        They used them well in new comics so i think that they would make them again a big threat.

        Remember that technology in Kelvin Timeline is advanced as 25th century of Prime Timeline and Federation spread across whole alpha and beta quadrant already.

        • Michael

          Apparently they were unsuccessful with reverse engineering 25th century technology because the kelvin enterprise can’t defend itself at all. It’s constantly being victimized and destroyed.

          Archers Enterprise was able to dish out more damage and take more damage. See: Azati Prime

          • GabeKoerner

            Bro… the movie has BARELY reached the treatment phase and you think they’ve really developed it this far?

          • Michael

            They brainstorm far more than you realize.

          • DS9 is King

            Well Simon Pegg and his Chinese Bitch Doug Jung Started writing it last month.

      • Rass

        I don’t know where you heard that, but since nothing whatsoever has been revealed about the story, it’s fake news.

        • Michael

          Oh god, please stop using that fake news BS. It’s already overplayed.
          I have my sources. The Borg is being heavily considered.

          • GIBBS v2

            That voice in your head doesn’t count.

          • Michael

            Amusing, but inaccurate.

          • Michael

            Amusing, but inaccurate.

          • Drew Landis

            If you have sources then where are they? I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m more than willing to believe you’re right, but usually when someone says they have proof for something, they back it up with evidence to support said proof. So where are your sources? Put the argument to rest by providing them.

          • Michael

            You should know how this works my friend, if you reveal sources NDA’s get broken, people get terminated, and friendship are destroyed. I can’t and won’t reveal my source for those reasons.

          • Fctiger

            But can you blame them? Anytime the Borg shows up they are huge. People seem to forget Voyagers ratings were falling until they decided to make the Borg their basic enemies in the later seasons and even added a Borg to the crew. That gave the series new life after that.

            Yes the Borg HAS been done to death but we both know if the Borg shows up in the next film, especially the first time it meets TOS crew, everyone will be going to see it. That was the problem with Beyond, it just had no hook. The Borg is the only hook you need to get Trek fans excited again and we haven’t seen them since second season of Enterprise so its been awhile anyway.

          • GabeKoerner

            Fascinating. As a nearly 20 year entertainment industry professional with experience on the Star Trek franchise, I have heard absolutely nothing that supports this Borg suggestion.

          • Rass

            I, too, have worked with the Trek franchise, and I, too, know that the Borg are not being considered.

          • Michael

            I assure you, the Borg have a very large spot on the brainstorm “table” right now, as does the mirror universe.

          • Fctiger

            Honestly I can see this as a possibility at least. If George Kirk is alive by the Borg somehow that WOULD be a compelling story line. If its not just some time travel thing or crossing into another universe but his father been kept alive the whole time as a Borg would be a really cool. I really only thought of the time travel angle until now but imagine if he was the ‘Locutus’ in this timeline and they are trying to invade Earth or other planets in the Federation and the Enterprise has to respond to it only to find out its his own father that is leading the charge doing these things. That would be a HUGE twist to both a Borg story and the next film we never really got before.

            I don’t think it would happen, probably not, but would really love that angle. And I think people want to see the TOS crew deal with the Borg. We know they have in the comics but seeing them on the big screen again and Kirk trying to figure them out would be fun. Every crew has come across the Borg at least although just in the DS9 pilot but yeah that would get fans excited.

          • DS9 is King

            OMG The Mirror Universe and the Borg are Being considered.

          • Michael

            Only the closest to the possible next movie are privy to what they are discussing right now. My source happens to have more than 20 years of experience – most of it on Star Trek in one form or another.

          • GabeKoerner

            LOL yes Michael, as an industry vet with experience on Trek I TOTALLY believe you are connected to ONLY THE CLOSEST PEOPLE to the project.

            People SO trustworthy, they violare their NDA’s and jeopardize their livelihoods so their pal Michael can tell all of us…

            …because umm… That’s the kind of people Ultra Secretive Bad Robot is known to hire…

            Why do people like you need to make shit up to feel important instead of going out and working for some real industry cred?

          • Michael

            I never said I was connected to the “closest” people on Discovery or Trek 4. I said I have a high quality source that I have been friends with before he/she was working on various forms of Star Trek for over 20 years now.

            We will see who is “Making shit up” when Discovery and Trek 4 reveal their plans. I will be sure to remind you of the post you made which is quite rude.

          • M33

            Hey Gabe! Loved your pre-Kelvin era Enterprise! Welcome to the board!

          • Rass

            I have better sources. They’re not.

          • Locutus

            Come to think of it, the Narada was allegedly enhanced with borg nanoprobes. Maybe George Kirk was resurrected with Borg nanoprobes. I hope they don’t cheapen his death by “he miraculously survived” contrivances like the Borg. That’d create a scary conflict for James Kirk though. It would be interesting if he had to kill his father in the end.

          • Michael

            🙂

          • DS9 is King

            The Borg is being considered?

        • TreuRules

          So was Khan…until it turned out to be true. They talked about using Khan while they 2009 film was still in theatres, they talked about the borg as well – not hard to believe they will use them. After all, JJ doesn’t make original films, he takes things others have done and puts his own spin on it(usually a poor spin with lots of flare). Because they are known villains, they don’t have to waste time doing character development as the fans will just fill in the blanks which is cheap and lazy film making which is Hollywood today. Explains why the films are making less and less money – fans like me don’t fall for that and won’t support them and anyone new doesn’t know who these villains are or why they are acting like they do so they won’t come back leaving the few who will buy anything with the Trek name on it going to these films.

          • Fctiger

            Like it or not, the problem with Star Trek, at least the films, they have never produced a compelling new villain. The Sor’na, the Shinzon, whatever the hell Elba was in Beyond they leave no lasting impact. Meanwhile the shows do a great job of creating memorable villains. Not all of them, Voyager made a ton of forgettable villains that were let go after a season but most people only remember the Borg on that show and they didn’t really show up until fourth season.

            When you mention the Klingons, Romulans, Borg, Augments, etc, people may be split over the idea of using them but no one can deny they at least get fans talking about them. We know the Klingons will show up in Discovery and while there is certainly a divide over using them what can’t be denied is all the talk over them again. If it was some new villain it wouldn’t get half the interest sight unseen.

          • Michael

            I would suggest that Voyager never encountered any “villains” in the Delta quadrant. Have several days? We can go through each species and why I feel they are not villains.

          • Fctiger

            How are the Kazon not villains though? They started out as their primary antagonists and they even stole the ship leaving them stranded on a planet. I like to hear your reasons though lol. And the Borg? I mean they kind of have been Federation villains for awhile. There are a few more but sadly I can’t even think of their names but some were just one offs, ie, in one episode kind of thing.

          • Michael

            The Kazon were just another faction trying to survive in that part of the Delta quadrant. The happened to be the strongest in the part of space Voyager was thrown to. They stole Voyager as they saw Voyager as a sudden imbalance in their sector. Why is this mysterious ship that claims to just want to peacefully go home constantly interfering with us and what we do?

            Why don’t they just set a course for home and leave us alone? Why did they destroy the array? Who are they to come in suddenly and force their values on societies they know nothing about? What makes their values better than the Kazon’s? Voyager not only interfered with the fractured and unstable Kazon sects, they also took away an opportunity for one sect to use caretaker technology to unite the
            Kazon.

            I can go even deeper. I would argue that Janeway as Captain of Voyager caused so much damage and disarray to the power balance in the Delta quadrant that if somehow Starfleet ever went back, they would find that many of the species that Voyager throttled over years before came together for defense to stop future Starfleet incursions and would be immediately attacked on sight. Don’t even get me started about the horrors they unleashed by waking up the Vard’war. There was a reason why that Captain in the subspacenl tunnels attacked Voyager on sight just because they were in the tunnels. A thousand years after his society thought the Vard’war was extinct. They must have brutalized and raped dozens of species in a way that would make a Cardassian blush.

            Janeway basically threw the Delta quadrant under the bus in her selfish and desperate “at any cost” attempt to get home. She also I would argue kicked the hive one too many times, and the Borg created a new queen that became obsessed with Earth. In essence, Janeway pissed off the Borg.

          • Michael

            Elba was playing a MACO from the archer enterprise era that when the MACOS were unneeded by anyone after fighting the Xindi and the Romulans, was given an obsolete ship and basically was placated and told to go explore. Being the ship was badly outdated, it got into trouble. The MACOS expected rescue as they were trained to never leave anyone behind, as shown in enterprise when Hoshi was rescued from Xindi reptilians. The MACO went back for a non-MACO non-military explorer and died in the process.

            When rescue never came, they felt heavily betrayed by the fledgling Starfleet and saw them as weak as Starfleet turned towards peace and peacemaking.

            Add in the lucky break of the abandoned alien technology that prolonged life and the mindless drones to be used as an army, they as trained and battle hardened soldiers who felt abandoned and shunned by a world they fought for formulated a plan for revenge. Years of isolation and abandonment, along with the disfigurement the life machine caused slowly twisted them to the point that not only killing humans was ok, it became an obsession.

            It would have been curious to see if non-MACO early Starfleet personnel would have become twisted and corrupt if they were in the MACOS situation.

            At the end of the film, Elba’s character had a very brief pause and reconsideration of his actions when he saw his human face before the decades of psychological damage took control back.

          • Fctiger

            I was kind of joking since about Elba but Ok.

          • Michael

            Just wanted to be sure you understood him before you blasted him.!

      • GIBBS v2

        While I question the validity of your claim, re-imagining the Borg for the Kelvin Universe makes a lot of sense. They are familiar fan favorites, they scored the biggest box office for the Next Generation crew and are easily as familiar to non-trek fans as say Klingons are. And honestly why not, isn’t that what the Kelvin Universe is for, rebooting old ideas and exploring a few new ones.

        • M33

          They should have the Borg go back in time to save the whales again.
          BIG BOX OFFICE HIT!

          • GIBBS v2

            Dude… Borg Whales!

      • zeeman1

        Borg were plenty ruined in every TNG appearance after Best of Both Worlds.

    • stephen mccord

      Give us Harry Mudd, and make it a comedy. Be better then beyond.

  • Locutus

    I wonder how can he say it is amazing pitch if he doesn’t even know how his character returns to the fold. In any event, nice to hear some talk of another sequel. I’d like it if Pegg is still invoved in some of the writing side of it. Wouldn’t mind Abrams returning as director.

    • Michael

      It’s called “Hollywood BS”

  • Michael

    Absurd comments by Zoe. Exposes her lack of knowledge regarding Star Trek and it’s meaning. Let’s break down her comments.

    “I really hope there is [going to be another film].”

    Meaning: ” I want another paycheque”

    “It’d be crazy to limit the longevity of a show that has had a fifty year life – and on – to stop just because they had a bad box office turnout.”

    Commentary: She has no idea that the “Show” comment is disrespectful to the fans.

    “Especially when people were talking about how amazing [Beyond] was.”

    Commentary: Which “people”, Zoe? Living in the liberal echo chamber, are we? Have you even heard the reasons why many fans disliked Beyond?

    I would love… I would always come back, to get an opportunity to be with all my friends until we’re fifty, sixty? I would be so happy.

    Commentary: lol! Not going to happen. This is not Star Trek Zoe, it’s a bastardized cancer using the Star Trek name to put butts in the seats. You and the “friends” are not talented enough to pull off a movie, let alone a television series. Stop kidding yourself.

    • Robinette Broadhead

      Zoe does not need another paycheck. She is a cast member in four (!!!!) of the biggest current movie franchises: AVATAR, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY, STAR TREK, and PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN. That’s a remarkable achievement that I don’t think many actors can claim. Perhaps Harrison Ford … and … and … any others?

      You really seem to dislike JJ’s Treks. I’ve been watching Trek since the early 70’s. JJ injected a crucial ingredient into the franchise. INSURRECTION and NEMESIS were painfully boring and both failed at the box office. ENTERPRISE’s rating were abysmal despite it being a fantastic show, particularly that final season.

      I’d rather not go back to watching Trek’s death throes. Just IMO of course. Peace.

      • Fctiger

        Yeah I think she just loves playing the character. I mean this girl is going to be in GOTG 2 in a few months which is going to blow the doors off of Beyond. There is already talk about GOTG 3 and they just confirmed she will be in Infinity War. And thats just Marvel. She is still suppose to make Avatars 2-11 whenever Cameron decides to start making it. And thats just for the sci fi stuff. She has plenty of non franchise films in the pipeline that will keep her busy for another 5 years.

        Sure she doesn’t do these films for free obviously but it can’t just be money that is really the deciding factor anymore. She will probably get some percentage points for the Avatar sequels and even if they don’t do what the first one did they are still going to make tons of money no matter what anyone says. She will probably make more money off the next film than all of us will make in our lifetimes….thought our grandchildrens.

        • Michael

          I am not up on Avatar news.. please tell me you are joking when you said they are making 10 sequels to the movie

          • Fctiger

            LOL yes, I was kidding. It won’t be 10 sequels but it will be 4 (and no not joking this time. ;)).

          • Michael

            Wew. I know Cameron has a massive ego and wants more income to fun more ship explorations but I was like “10 sequels??”

            4 more is a lot lol

          • Fctiger

            Yeah it is. Cameron has gone insane lol. And its been reported today Saldana has been cast in the My Little Pony movie (out of all things right?) so as I said this girl is already busy enough that Star Trek is a side project for her. And look for My Little Pony turned into a trilogy with its own shared universe in a few years. ;D

          • Michael

            Is the My Little Pony movie live action? Lol

          • Fctiger

            I thought it was bizarre too lol. But I will say this about her, she usually pick pretty decent films so while not all winners she must see something it in. I have no idea what though lol.

          • Fctiger

            Ok its not as weird as I thought. I read another article and its going to be another animated film. She’s going to provide a voice for a pony with other stars and voices from the show. Yeah a My Little Pony live action film sounded bizarre but there was a time I thought that a Yogi Bear live action film sounded crazy.

          • Michael

            Live action would pull the furries into the theater!

      • Michael

        What element did JJ “inject” into the franchise? Poison?

    • Oknow

      dude, you are reaching.

  • GIBBS v2

    The studio will probably want to see what kind of tail Beyond has and how Discovery does before putting another film into motion. Beyond had a terrible marketing campaign and advertising arrived too little, too late and was squished between Ghostbusters and Bourne which both had better and louder ad campagins. Beyond’s release was poorly planned and executed despite the quality of the film. Discovery gets the stage for the next year as it carries the baton for a while. The survival of any franchise is how well it brings in revenue and expands the fan base.

    • Fctiger

      My thoughts too. If Discovery does well enough they will probably do another one sort of like how TNG success convinced them to do a Star Trek 6 even after TFF failed.

      • I’d heard that they made Star Trek 6 because it was the 25th anniversary, not because of the success of TNG. I suppose it could be both…

        • Fctiger

          It was definitely both! Paramount definitely wanted to make a film to coincide with the 25th anniversary but they also saw how big TNG was getting and thought it would be a great way to end the TOS cast and set up TNG for future films. It was why they brought Michael Dorn in to cameo as a Worf ancestor in the movie and then had Spock appear on TNG before the film ran, they took advantage of both TOS ending and building on TNG as the successor.

          • Michael

            I wish Picard and Spock had more screen time together. The “cowboy diplomacy” line and the reaction was fantastic writing and acting on several levels.

          • Fctiger

            Yeah me too. I rewatched those episodes around the time Beyond came out (I always get into the Star Trek mood when a new film come out lol) and it was still good. And I like the new KT films still had Spock as an Ambassador trying to help Romulus but unfortunately did not work out as planned. 😉

          • Michael

            Ok time to drop the bomb… from my source. This is the current favored plan. *VERY PRELIMINARY*

            the 4th movie will reveal that the kelvin mirror universe evil George Kirk “went to the other side” of the Prime universe in the prime future and was directly responsible for prime universe Spock failing in his mission to save Romulus. Why?

            Evil George was vengeful because in his mirror universe, the Narada came through just like the “good” kelvin timeline, but instead of his wife and child living, the Romulans killed them and he survived.

            Evil George wanted vengeance on the Romulans and discovered with Kilngon help boards the Narada and finds out the ship was a result of mirror universe interference, so he not just time traveled to the future but also shifted to the “good” prime universe we all know and love. There, it is shown he sabotaged Ambassador Spock’s science ship he tried to use to save Romulus as revenge for the deaths of his wife and son.

            Kelvin universe James Kirk has to get involved in all of this to stop him and as a result, ends up saving Romulus in the prime universe as well as stopping the Narada from ever coming into existence. This not only saves prime Romulus but also allows kelvin James Kirk to grow up with his father and mother, and not join Starfleet in a “dare”, but he joins after being groomed by George.

            The Prime universe is fixed, Romulus is restored. The Kelvin universe is fixed, as the Narada never came through to the Kelvin timeline with its vengeful quest. The Kirk’s live happily ever after. The fans are happy as the prime universe is fixed, the Kelvin timeline is wrapped up nicely, and everyone moves on with their lives .

            It fits because they would not bring in Helmsworth without writing him a large part to justify his increased salary demand. JJ also likes the first movie the best, and is eager to end the Kelvin timeline movies as he wants to move to original IP more.

          • Tom

            Ok Michael Can they get Shatner??

          • Michael

            They could get Shatner, but Bill knows the game and would demand a huge payday for the appearance in the movie. Shatner would do it for the right amount and if it makes him look good as the hero.

            It’s a remote possibility

          • Fctiger

            That sounds interesting but I don’t know if I want the KT universe ‘fixed’ either because they you lose the stories you had before. Granted not amazing storiies but neither was Spock’s Brain but its still part of canon.

            But it sounds fun although I hope its not because we don’t need yet another guy who wants his vengeance although its against the Romulans. That might be fun, Kirk coming to the aid of a long time foe to stop his father’s counter part.

          • LOL, that’s far “too Treky” and convoluted for general audiences.

          • Michael

            It’s plausible because if they bring in Helmsworth, it won’t be for a cameo or even a small part. He will be integral for the entire film with high amounts of screentime.

            JJ really wants to wrap up the universe he created. That is why he wants to get control back for the 4th and final movie.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            In another part of the comments for this article, you’re talking about your source knowing that it’s the Borg. Here you’re talking Prime vs. Kelvin with no mention of the Borg.

            Getting your own story straight would add a tremendous amount to your credibility. Just my $0.02.

          • Michael

            Apparently you failed to read where I said I am putting out other stories that are fake, along with the REAL insider info my source is providing me. Why? I must protect my source no matter what. He is a longtime friend, and has worked on Star Trek for over 20 years. If I only provide the info he is giving me, intelligent people could figure out who it is. I know for a fact that people working on Discovery read TrekCore. I have to be careful.

            He insisted I put out fake rumors that are plausible ALONG with the actual real info.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Yes, I did miss that. You’ve posted a lot on this article, and frankly, I’ve not read every single message you wrote. No one’s got time for all that.

          • Michael

            I understand, not everyone is a super fan and has the time to read everything on the website. I enjoy that ability as I work from home online. I am glad I could help you understand where I am coming from.

          • DS9 is King

            This sounds very interesting I hope it pans out this way, common tell me your source I won’t tell.

        • Michael

          It was both, and they were presented with a very solid script. And a better director.. lol.

          Anyway, Discovery and Star Trek 6 are very intertwined.

      • Michael

        Trust me, people will be raving about Discovery and apologizing for doubting it. There will be more Star Trek on the network.

        • DS9 is King

          If Star Trek Discovery fails and I Think it will because everyone I talk to including Hardcore trekies want to move forward with the Timeline and not go back in time.

        • DS9 is King

          But if it fails it will not come back for 15 16 years or it will be dead.

  • My pitch for getting George Kirk alive in this universe (without time travel) is pretty simple: http://i.imgur.com/BXhqL8j.jpg

    • Michael

      With the tiny budget 4 will have if made, that might be the actual evil Spock goatee they will use in the film!

    • Pip Savage

      Er, what, so you’re going to have Evil George Kirk, i.e. Chris Hemsworth in old-age makeup (or digital Tarkinization) … and mean mustache?

    • It’s been thirty years since the destruction of the Kelvin, so George Kirk would be around 60 in the Mirror universe. I think Paramount is probably considering using Hemsworth in order to capitalize on his popularity, and I doubt they want to take a chance on whether that popularity includes a 60-year-old version of himself.

      You’ve given us a cute idea and a great picture, though! 🙂

  • Rass

    I wish you guys would call it Star Trek 14. It’s not the fourth film.

    • Darkthunder

      Indeed. No doubt the defenders will call it the “4th” because it’s the 4th film in this timeline.

      Elsewhere, I read that Abrams is “done with reboots”. So which one is it? Is he done, or isn’t he?

      • Michael

        I hope Abrams is done with grinding down the Star Trek name into the ground.

      • Fctiger

        He’s done directing them, he’ll be producing them forever as long as they make money. YOu think he’s going to leave Star Wars and Mission Impossible?

        • Michael

          Abrams does enjoy money

    • Michael

      It is not the 14th film. The prime universe is the real universe. This spin off crap is a bastardized version created by people who don’t give a crap about the soul of Star Trek.

      • Marc Henson

        That’s not true, they love the franchise. Stop putting words in other people’s mouths.

        • Michael

          I would find out how much each of them “loves the franchise” during a hour long trivia interrogation. I would bet that no one on the cast has ever watch more than 10 hours of Star Trek, and certantly have never invested in an entire series.

          • Eric Cheung

            Love of a franchise is not quantifiable by a quiz number. That reeks of people who accuse women of being “fake geek girls.” Star Trek isn’t about knowing the crew complement on the Enterprise-D. It’s about loving the spirit of the show, its philosophy of IDIC, and that humanity will work in the spirit of the better angels of our nature.

            You can’t find out whether or not someone believes that by quizzing them on minutia. It’s a much more subjective process to determine that. But ultimately, it doesn’t matter, as long as the stories say something to us about that philosophy that resonates. And for that, YMMV, of course.

          • Bifash

            I second everything you say. This guy “Michael” thinks he’s THE flag carrier for all things Trek but he’s full of hot air and has delusions of grandeur.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Agreed. He thinks he’s some sort of “Trek Oracle” that get’s to dictate “how it really is” to all of us here. And then he provides these “most likely” fake “inside info” posts that I bet are just really used by him to enhance the supposed “importance” of his other “dictatorial” posts.

          • Marc Henson

            I was actually referring to the writing staff, not the cast.

          • Michael

            I would love to quiz the writing staff. I bet I could stump them.

          • Marc Henson

            Stump them on what? What are you trying to prove? I’m fairly certain I know more about Star Trek then a lot of the writing staff do as well…whooptie-do…

            That doesn’t mean anything. Some people that are fans of the show know a lot about the cast, some can tell you the title and episode number of every season of every series in production and air date order…

            Some fans dress up like Klingons…am I less of a fan if I don’t dress as a Klingon?

            I think not….and I would like to think my knowledge of Star Trek would at least get me a degree.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        There is no real universe. It’s all fiction, and the reason each incarnation looks a lot different is because production technology and the actors change over time.

        It’s not real. Canon is largely a fan sentimental construct.

    • Fctiger

      Its the fourth film in this series. HOW MANY times does this have to be said?

  • Steven Kale

    Get Shatner in as Grandpa Kirk and do a film dealing with three generations of Kirks battling to save the Universe.

  • Please, ENOUGH of Kirk’s daddy issues. Could we have, I dunno, maybe some space exploration?

    I’m all for character development, but Kirk’s daddy issues have been done to death. How about character development for Spock or McCoy or Uhura? Hell, throw in some pon farr; there’s always plenty of drama potential in that. 🙂

    • Michael

      Can’t have actual space exploration in the movies. People would be bored easily and leave. Star Trek is a thinking persons show and the general public is moronic and want quick and dirty violence to satiate their anger so they don’t snap in our fake society.

      • Tod Abbott

        Yeah, I’m never sure what folks mean by wanting a movie about exploring space. I’m thinking of the existing movies that came closest to that — STMP had a lot of exploration and a puzzle to solve. STIII had exploration, though it was done by David and Saavik. STV maybe had the most exploration — going out beyond “the great barrier,” and so on. But the most satisfying movies (I’d say STII, STIV, STVI, and First Contact) don’t involve a lot of exploration, they are about conflict. Actually, I take that back, STIV gets a lot of mileage from the crew exploring 1980s San Francisco.

        I think a lot of us would really like a small, character-driven story in the Star Trek universe — but when you include the necessary special effects and salaries for the known, returning actors, you realize the movie has to make more money than such a smaller movie is likely to make. So you have to attract a larger audience, which leads to more action, which leads to a villian, which leads to….

        • Fctiger

          No it doesn’t have to be about space exploration to succeed but these movies seem to think you need a supervillain set on revenge to get people to watch them and I have no idea why? At this point, it won’t surprise the twist in the next film George Kirk is now seeking revenge against Star Fleet and Kirk has to stop dad. I mean I’m joking but am I really?

          • Michael

            Sounds like you are onto something. Mirror mirror..

        • Eric Cheung

          I’d simply like a movie that replaces explosions, violence, and death with the spectacle seen in movies like Close Encounters, ET, The Abyss, Contact, Gravity, Interstellar, The Martian, and Arrival. Audiences responded pretty well to most of those movies, often for the same amount of a wow factor as the destruction of planets would bring. And those films were usually smart allegories more in line with what the Trek TV shows were at their best.

          There’s no reason that smart and non-violent has to be boring or cold.

      • Tom

        Michael. Maybe you were on to something in the other thread. Lets say they use the Borg, have Hemsworth throw Shatner in. Sounds like there are some good ingredients for box office buzz.. With the right script it could be pretty good and interesting.

        • Michael

          The Narada did use captured Borg technology partly… perhaps before it was destroyed George was somehow assimilated and escaped from the crazed Romulans

        • Fctiger

          LOL If they throw in Borg, Shatner and Hemsworth I think that will get people REALLY interested in the next one.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You know, having Borg implants around Shatner’s mid-section would explain away the Kirk weight gain issues of the Shatner of today?

          • Fctiger

            LOL thats mean….but could work. 😉

      • DS9 is King

        Damn Right and that is why movies are so great today.

    • Xandercom

      Maybe they have to go back in time to save the extinct Humpback Kirk in an effort to repopulate the species.

      • Heh. You think you’re joking, but give how derivative Into Darkness was, I’m kind of afraid to have this idea out there… 🙂

      • Michael

        Abrams is known for “borrowing” plots and calling them “tributes” See: Khan

    • Fctiger

      Yeah I don’t remotely give a damn about Kirk’s dad. Not one bit. I liked his scene in the first film and it set up a nice character dynamic for Kirk going forward but I don’t need to see the guy show up again so they can retread the same issues that happens in a lot of those stories. And it is funny you mentioned McCoy and Uhura because honestly we wouldn’t even KNOW they had parents at all and yet they find a way to bring up Kirks and Spocks parents up in every film. I get it because they each had one who died tragically but no one is watching these movies to relive those issues.

      It would be like if Sisko brought up his dead wife every other episode. What was great about DS9 they brought it up to set up the character and the pilot but then moved completely on from it after that for 7 seasons.

      The writers here should get the same clue.

      • Michael

        What if they say… presented George Kirk as his mirror universe evil twin that fights his son? Would you be interested in that?

    • madmadia85

      +1

      this reboot started so well by not making everything revolve around Kirk and by making Spock a co-protagonist. But they are losing track of that and turning Pine into Shatner 2 and our interchangeable hollywood hero with daddy issues, with Spock&co playing his support system that doesn’t have a story on their own.

      Also, if they want to bring back one of his parents for a subplot why not use the one who is actually still alive. Guess Winona Kirk being a female doesn’t make her as useful as daddy Kirk and we need to bring him back from the death with some contrived storyline.
      and really, I’d rather see Sarek back.. or aos Sybok? or even Uhura’s parents (who should also work in starfeet from what I remember. Her father at least).. or some original character.

      • I think maybe bringing in Kirk’s father AGAIN is an effort to cash in on Hemsworth’s popularity, which is why we’ll be seeing that character again, rather than someone more interesting.

        Spock was my favorite character in TOS, but in AOS, he’s mostly become a pointy-eared superhero, and his Vulcan characteristics were reduced to Spock schtick in Beyond: Spock says “fascinating,” Spock gives a long-winded explanation, Spock bleeds green. I liked a lot of things about Beyond, but I want a REAL role for Spock, not just a collection of quirks.

        The thing I like best about the reboot is the upgrading of Uhura, from switchboard operator to consummate Starfleet officer, and I’d love to see more of her backstory.

  • Michael

    Thor should stay in his Marvel universe movies.

    • GIBBS v2

      You realize he was in Star Trek before he was Thor. And you better believe now that he is a pretty big star that is one of the primary reasons to bring him back into the fold. Without ticket sales we don’t get any more Trek movies of any kind. I’m not defending the choice just understanding the reason.

      • Michael

        Does not matter. The public sees him as Thor, not Kirk’s father. Give me a break.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          The public sees Bruce Willis as David Addison, not a movie action star. Keep him on TV.

  • Michael

    Zoe sounds as desperate as Sirtis

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Yea, I’m sure she’s just super-desperate given she just cashed her check for GOTG2, and is signed for GOTG3 and three more Avatar movies, not to mention being in Ben A’s latest film.

      She must be getting real stressed now. 😉

      LOL – Zoe probably makes more $ for one of her GOTG films than Sirtis has made for her entire career of work.

      • Michael

        I meant desperate to try to prove she is a high quality actress, and not just fluff for green screen summer popcorn movies.

  • Fiery Little One

    I’m still trying to figure this one out… I grant time travel is likely I’m just stuck on ‘why.’

    • Michael

      Desperation and lack of talent to write original scripts.

  • Mrplatitude

    I’m not sure if bringing George back is necessary, but I definitely hope this cast gets to make another film. Hopefully Paramount has learned their lessons regarding Beyond’s marketing.

    • Michael

      What do you feel was lacking with the marketing? And who do you blame for it?

      • Mrplatitude

        Posters were not great, you had the main US poster was the little enterprise flying through the clouds, which doesn’t reflect the movie at all and also it didn’t even say Star Trek on it, only Beyond. It was nice artwork, but doesn’t sell the movie at all.
        The poorly received teaser trailer was followed by many months of nothing. No posters, no trailers, no ads, until finally a couple months before the movie comes out they finally start putting more stuff out for it.

        • iMike

          I would have to agree with your points on marketing. I actually thought BEYOND was very enjoyable. There were a lot of extras thrown in for fans, but the marketing was just bad. 2016 was Trek’s 50th and Paramount should have been promoting the crap out of it. Better trailers … better posters … they really screwed the pooch on the marketing.

  • DamienL

    I’ll believe it when I see it — box office returns for Beyond were pretty disappointing. It’ll take a pretty great pitch from JJ to get this thing off the ground.

    Oh also Discovery better not bomb, that could be a sure fire way to sink this ship.

    • Michael

      Discovery is NOT going to bomb. I have learned things about the show just yesterday from my source that are INCREDIBLE. Let’s just say this show has a great shot to go down as equal to or better than TNG.

      I so BADLY want to share, but people would get in trouble in real life ( fired! )

      What I CAN say is that what I said in the past was proven accurate yesterday.

      • Fctiger

        Dude weren’t you the same guy a month ago who was telling us you didn’t even think Discovery was going to even get on the air because of all the chaos behind the scenes? So now you’re convinced its going to be a great show? Well thats good but you been singing a different tune here for awhile now.

        • Michael

          Things change. Like I said just yesterday I finally received an update from my contact and it was incredible. There is still chaos behind the scenes. They are way behind schedule and things are very dynamic right now. Star Trek is famous for that though at first, with scripts going from Genes office directly to the set 😉

          I am 100% convinced the show will succeed now. Any real fan will embrace and love the show.

          • Fctiger

            Look I will admit you’re an odd duckling here. The way you been going on about the KT films and then the ‘diversity’ issue with Discovery and of course your constant leaks of ‘inside sources’ I’m going to be honest and say I don’t really know what to believe. And the fact apparently you seem to be the only one that has these sources because I never see any of this pop up anywhere else. I give you benefit of the doubt for simply why not? Its not like I’m putting money on what you say, end of the day you’re just be wrong.

            But honestly if you want people to take you more seriously, some kind of evidence would be nice. I’m not saying you have to post documents and lose people jobs but I am hoping you are right. All I really can say at this point.

          • Michael

            That is one of the kindest things someone has ever said to me online, saying I am an “odd ducking.” I greatly dislike cookie cutter people and I am often told in “real life” that I am very… unique. It often puts people off. They can’t categorize me and that puts them outside of their comfort zones.

            I am also accused online of being a “racist Trump supporter” when in fact I voted for Obama twice because I believed his promises. Sadly, they never came true for me. So this time I voted for Trump simply because he does not fit the “Presiential stereotype.”

            As for Star Trek, all you need to know is that I am extremely passionate about it and have been for a very long time. If they handed out Ph.D’s for Star Trek knowledge I would earn one. Lol.

            I want nothing but the best for Star Trek. I strongly believe that the recent foray into this “Kelvin” alternate universe has been extremely damaging to the franchise. Star Trek is not just another sci-fi show – it’s sacred. It should be treated with the upmost respect for the sheer power it can have on people and society for the better. All one needs to do is research how the show has inspired and motivated people from every color and creed to enter the sciences and even become astronauts. Martin Luther King even insisted that Michelle stay on with TOS as he understood the power of the show.

            So yea, I get pissed off when I see these people take something that has such power and dumb it down into a popcorn movie with zero message, commentary, or social discussion possibilities. Star Trek 09 was the reboot with zero message. STID tried and failed very badly to deliver a message, and they ruined Khan. STID in my opinion is the worst film of them all – even worse than final frontier. At least Shatner tries to deal with heavy issues.

            Beyond at least had the soft fans of Lin and Pegg, and the message was delivered better as commentary on the Vietnam war and the soldiers who were forgotten after they were useless. Problem is, TNG covered that over 25 years ago in a fantastic episode.

            I understand the desire for evidence. The problem is in order to provide evidence, I would have to betray the trust of my source. I CAN say that the source is a personal friend of mine way before this person worked on creating aspects of the show. The person is a super fan like myself.

            This person allowed me to post here on TrekCore exclusively with the cavet that I also include some “fake” reports of what Discovery is about to keep people guessing. But rest assured things I have said in the past regarding Discovery are quite accurate…

            Fuller leaving the show actually set it back further than publicly admitted.

            And in the end, is it really that unplausable that someone could have insider info? I post it out of excitement for fellow fans and to create buzz for the show. If you notice my previous posts, I have never been arrogant about the info I share, nor do I rub it in people’s faces. In the end, I don’t worry if people take me seriously or not. I know what I know and simply share it and I stand up as a very strong advocate for the core value of Star Trek.

            I am just a super fan!

          • Fctiger

            OK then,

            I wasn’t trying to be mean, just honest. I get your points about the KT films. People do seem to have issue with them they have side stepped the core of what makes Star Trek Star Trek in favor of it feeling like big dumb action movies. I LIKE the films but I can’t disagree too much with the issues fans have with them. For *me* I just accept them for what they are: Fun distractions. I go in and (usually) have a good time. I like the cast, the action is fun, I laugh quite a bit and feel I got my money worth. Now on a critical level they vary in quality. I never hated any of them but I never loved any of them either. They all kind of fall in that “decent but not great” category for me.

            And the reality is Paramount wants newer fans for these films. They can’t just rely on people who watched TOS, TNG and DS9. They have to spread their wings and yeah the way to do that is to make it bigger, faster and more action. We can see how its kind of stepping on what Star Trek is about but the people who makes it can only keep making it if they get a big and young enough audience. So its always a rock and a hard place.

            As far as your issues with Discovery casting, sorry but a lot of the crap you wrote rubbed me the wrong way and I’ll just say that. I’m not accusing you of being racist just because you voted for Trump, I know good people who kind of thought about voting for him and they are not racist either. But your meltdowns over hiring a black woman to play the lead is really disappointing. If you dont like the actress is one thing but the second people start throwing the word ‘agenda’ around because they aren’t YOUR color, gender or sex then yeah. But OK.

            As far as your inside info, I say all the time I want to believe you when I encounter them. And no its not implausible but you seem to be the only one literally who has all of this info. NOT just this show but also the other film and I like many here read a lot of Trek boards. But yet you seem to be not only the only one I come across with any actual rumors but constant rumors for weeks now. Could you be telling the truth, sure, but you tell me, how many rumors have you read on the internet that was posted by so and so that turned out to be complete BS 8 months later. Too many right? But yeah I am inclined to believe you now, its just hard since nothing has been revealed yet to match anything you said. But I hope what you’re saying is true and will keep listening.

            And I consider myself a super fan too! I basically love it all which is why I consider myself a fans of the KT films too. I give it all a chance.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            The new series is either going to expose or validate Michael’s supposed inside sources. If he’s just making this all up, look for him to suddenly disappear from posting on this site on the premeir day. His credibility here is completely riding on this being a Section 31 based story.

            I am skeptical of his info, but still trying to keep an open mind. Perhaps as early as the first real trailer we will be able to Validate or refute his insistent posts that he has inside info?

          • Michael

            I don’t “disappear” from websites. lol.

            Fuller already gave you clues last year that the show has strong elements of section 31 in it. Read his statements on the show and rewatch the teaser trailer carefully. Listen to the trailer then, without watching it.

            Read between the lines from what fuller has said and you will begin to get it.

            My source is still rock solid that 31 will either be the focus of the show ( as in the ship IS a section 31 ship built in secret! ) or what my gut is telling me the ship is Starfleet, but with 31 agents on board. The casting of the Lt. Commander also fits this scenario.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            So you say.

            We shall see.

          • DS9 is King

            I also hear a Rumor that the Captain of the Ship will be Garth of Izar and the Captain will go nuts forcing the crew to mutiny against him, Will the show have Time Travel?

          • Fctiger

            Yeah same. I like most of his ideas so I’m keeping an open mind for that alone. And its nice to hear ANY news even if its bunk. Just nice to imagine mostly.. But I suspect we will probably get a more in-depth insight of the show once they finish the pilot or yes once the first trailer hits. I don’t think the Section 31 thing will be kept a secret until airing so maybe we’ll get more before then.

          • Pip Savage

            That’s true that Trump doesn’t fit the “Presiential [sic] stereotype.” Neither does a flaming bag of refuse. That’s why it’s good to have other criteria besides “breaking the mold.”

          • madmadia85

            talking from personal experience, no mature person who actually has ‘sources’ telling them things about movies that are in the works would ever post things online in the comments section of a fan site (unless those sources WANT those informations to be spread) People who actually have sources, and know stuff that isn’t mentioned elsewhere on the internet, know the big risks of posting informations that only some people can know. NDA is no joke.

            I would never risk someone’s job to inflate my own ego in a stupid fanboard, especially after that person trusted me enough to tell me something I shouldn’t know.

          • Fctiger

            Well I always wonder what do these ‘inside sources’ always need someone else to spread info like this when they can simply write it themselves lol. I mean ok if you are a source for a reporter or something is one thing because you want to stay anonymous obviously and that is viewed by a mass audience. But the internet is anonymous and you’re just posting in the comments section of geek site. If you want to spread this info out yeah you can just do it yourself so I agree it does come off suspicious. UNLESS of course he is the guy who actually works on the production but pretending to be someone else to cover his tracks.

            But I’m not going to over think it, if he’s right it will bare out soon. If he’s just been making it up, kind of sucks to be trolling but not the end of the world either. We all know most of the times rumors comes out more false than true anyway. I definitely agree though its no point to make you feel like a big man if you could lose your job over it BUT same time it does happen a lot.

            A great example is Star Wars. For all the things people got wrong about The Force Awakens a lot of the rumors that did come out turned out be completely true which means people DID leak info somewhere. JJ Abrams is notorious for keeping his projects secret until the last minute and yet the biggest spoiler, Han Solo dying, came out three months before the movie did. If you Google it its actually fairly accurate on how it happened. I know a lot of people read that at the time really divided if it was true or not but yeah it did turn out true. In fact I will go as far as to say about 70% of the basic plot of the film actually made it on the internet before the film ever opened the problem is for every one thing that was true, another four things were completely wrong so it was a matter of sorting through the BS.

            But the point I’m making obviously is that it DOES happen, quite a bit with high profile projects. It doesn’t mean this guy is legit because as I said if you go back to TFA these rumors spread every where on every geek site you can think of. Thats why I don’t know to trust it because based on experience these rumors don’t just stay in one place for long if there is some validity to them. Or it could simply be he really is the only one leaking it and no one from other sites picked it up yet. But its also telling Trekcore itself doesn’t seem to take what he says seriously because they obviously read all of it but never even post it as rumor.

            OK that was a long spiel lol. But my point is you’re probably more than likely right but as shown its not exactly unheard of people are willing to spill on things no matter how high or secret the production is. We just don’t know if he’s really talking to one of these people or not. It will probably bare out soon though.

          • Michael

            The internet is not anon. If the source posted it, source would find out. We talk on the phone and then I share the info here at my choosing.

          • Fctiger

            This is off topic but man I have to give it to the Disqus boards! I was one paragraph away from finishing my spiel when my computer just shut off for some reason. I was so mad because I thought I lost all my writing and had to reboot it. I was pretty bummed but was going to rewrite most of it again when low and behold I clicked on the reply button and it was all still there. A big smile came to my face lol. I been on boards where your entire post is wiped if you scroll up too far. Anyway just felt nice! 😉

          • Michael

            I have permission.

      • DamienL

        You didn’t provide your source nor the actual information you’ve learned about Discovery so I’m not sure what to make of your comment. So that’s nice, I guess?

        Even if these so called “incredible” things you’ve learned are true — what you perceive as “incredible” might actually be pretty lame and possible downright awful for more causal fans and general viewers. Only time will tell, but I certainly hope Discovery is a massive hit.

  • Michael

    My call right now – the movie if it gets made is going to be Kirk vs. Kirk. George from the prime universe has either gone rogue and appears in the kelvin timeline and has conflict with his kelvin son.

    Or we get the kelvin mirror universe version of George fighting James Kirk.

    If Thor appears in the movie, he will have lots of screen time to justify his pay he will demand.

  • flamepanther

    Didn’t Abrams *just* say that he was done revisiting other people’s story IP?

    • Fctiger

      Either way the guy still has a deal in place so it really depends on the deal with Paramount but if he’s obligated to make another film he will. Same for the MI movies. I guess he’s saying from this point on he’s going to try and do more original ideas.

    • Michael

      $ash often changes people’s integrity.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    ST4 is on still just as I predicted. So much for the couple of folks here who continually have insisted I was wrong on this.

    • Michael

      It’s not guaranteed. Where have you read that?

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        I have a rock solid top secret source that fed me this information. Trust me!

        (sarcasm)

        • Michael

          Be serious man

  • Matineer

    After seeing Beyond via Netflix DVD, I think maybe they should quit while they’re ahead. There were things in that movie which showed they’re not really into it. What was that smoke from Kirk’s motorcycle that turned into a rock crystal wall? Scotty says the Franklin wasn’t strong enough for atmosphere take off, but apparently it can crash through rocky mountains with no problem. Kirk applies for the post of Vice Admiral? Basic protocol: you are promoted for a post, you don’t apply. A time travel movie is problematical; this universe is a mishmash of anachronisms– Dyson sphere space stations beyond Starfleet’s technology coexist with 20th century type uniforms (peaked caps, for goodness sakes) and slang (throw him under the bus), working Chevy corvettes, rap music and Beastie boys. In STIV, Spock could joke about 20th century popular novels; they still listen to 20th century music here (in the alt universe). These movies have always been hampered by the 2009 portrayal of (especially) Kirk and Spock as young, hip college kids rather than Starfleet professionals. Ironically, from what I’ve read of IDW’s comics, they sort of default to TOS characterizations (for the most part). JJ Abrams is talented. The production team is talented.The cast is talented. but it’s hard to get your audience back once it’s gone.

    • Michael

      Very good observations

    • As shown earlier in the film, the solidifying smoke is one of Jaylah’s traps.

      Starfleet is not today’s military, but even today, people take officer’s training exams, put in for transfers, etc.

      The Kelvin Timeline’s technology is either more advanced-looking because (take your pick) they scanned the Narada and kickstarted technology faster than in the Prime universe, or it’s 2016 and audiences wouldn’t really buy a space station that looks like Bundt cake molds stuck together with paper towel cardboard tubes and sprayed silver…

      It’s well established since at least Star Trek II that Kirk is in many ways a traditionalist and a collector of antiques, so 20th century pop as “classical music” is funny to us, but maybe not to people of the 23rd century.

      I also think this doesn’t make them college kids – putting aside the fact that they *were* college kids in the first movie – because the Beastie Boys’ “Sabotage” is *twenty-three years old* as of 2017 so the idea of that being some sort of hip, with-it reference on the part of the filmmakers is kind of laughable. (Surely they would have chosen some Deadmau5 or Skrillex.) It’s a throwaway reference to the first movie and Kirk’s love of ‘classical’ music.

  • The Artist

    They should focus on the crew of The Next Generation in The Kelvin Timeline for the next Star Trek film.

    • Michael

      No thanks.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Please, absolutely not

    • Fctiger

      Nah TNG was great, lets not try and reboot that. You see how much fans love the TOS reboot. 😉

      Sometimes as proven its just better to leave some things alone even with the best intentions.

  • Pip Savage

    Re: Borg rumors – the backstory of the 2009 Star Trek cooked up by Orci & Kurtzman entails the Romulan Narada ship being enhanced by Borg nanoprobes. So seeing Borg references in upcoming Bad Robot Trek wouldn’t be shocking.

  • Dawn

    the key phrase here is pitch, its not going to happen as beyond flopped.

  • Michael

    time to drop the bomb… from my source. This is the current favored plan. *VERY PRELIMINARY*

    the 4th movie will reveal that the kelvin mirror universe evil George Kirk “went to the other side” of the Prime universe in the prime future and was directly responsible for prime universe Spock failing in his mission to save Romulus. Why?

    Evil George was vengeful because in his mirror universe, the Narada came through just like the “good” kelvin timeline, but instead of his wife and child living, the Romulans killed them and he survived.

    Evil George wanted vengeance on the Romulans and discovered with Kilngon help boards the Narada and finds out the ship was a result of mirror universe interference, so he not just time traveled to the future but also shifted to the “good” prime universe we all know and love. There, it is shown he sabotaged Ambassador Spock’s science ship he tried to use to save Romulus as revenge for the deaths of his wife and son.
    Kelvin universe James Kirk has to get involved in all of this to stop him and as a result, ends up saving Romulus in the prime universe as well as stopping the Narada from ever coming into existence. This not only saves prime Romulus but also allows kelvin James Kirk to grow up with his father and mother, and not join Starfleet in a “dare”, but he joins after being groomed by George.

    The Prime universe is fixed, Romulus is restored. The Kelvin universe is fixed, as the Narada never came through to the Kelvin timeline with its vengeful quest. The Kirk’s live happily ever after. The fans are happy as the prime universe is fixed, the Kelvin timeline is wrapped up nicely, and everyone moves on with their lives .

    It fits because they would not bring in Helmsworth without writing him a large part to justify his increased salary demand. JJ also likes the first movie the best, and is eager to end the Kelvin timeline movies as he wants to move to original IP more.

    • Tom

      Michael
      Anyway they can get the Shat in this story??

      • Michael

        They could, but it would take large sums of money, and to sooth Shatners massive ego he will have to be the hero of the story over both Pine and Helmsworth.

        • Tom

          True I guess it wouldn’t happen. However would love to see Shat chew up the scenes with Pine and Hemsworth

        • Tom

          The story you have been describing does cross into the Prime universe , so the opportunity is there. the $$$$ will be the problem. Plus by the time they make it he will be pushing 90. I think Fuller was going to get Shat in Discovery. Hope they keep that idea

    • madmadia85

      this is like a text book example of someone who doesn’t get quantum mechanics (and how quantum realities work) and believes that ‘back from the future’ is the scientific explanation of how time travel, if possible, would work.

      it’s 7 years and you guys still can’t understand the simple concept that the reboot is an alternate quantum reality and nothing needs to get fixed because the prime timeline still exists parallel to this one. If either kirk went back in time and influenced the prime reality, they’d essentially create more parallel realities but not delete or overwrite the existing o es.

      • Michael

        It’s called a movie. Do you really think they will target the 4th and final film to please quantum mechanics nerds? Nope. They want to get conflict between George and James, and conclude the kelvin universe.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          He probably prefers Katras and Protomatter — you know, the “more realistic science stuff” that were included in the Harve Bennett era. 😉

        • madmadia85

          do you really think we are going to believe you actually know the plot of the 4th movie?

          maybe you should ask birthmoviesdeath to hire you to replace Devin Faraci 😉

          • Michael

            I don’t know the plot, but I assure you my source does. My source is directly involved with Discovery and gets side info from the movie people.

            I trust my source, he was my personal friend before he was hired over 20 years ago to work on Star Trek for the company in various ways.

            Look guys, I realize you don’t believe me, that’s fine. I am doing this to share exciting news that I know it’s true.

            I don’t do this to boast or get popularity. I am 40 years old for Christ sake and that BS means nothing to me.
            I simply am a super fan trying to promote Star Trek and excite my fellow fans. I have chose TrekCore exclusively because of the quality of the site and my source said it was ok to share what he/she tells me BUT – ONLY on TrekCore.

            When the first real trailer comes out and the show comes out is when the proof of what I have been saying will be released.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “I have chose TrekCore exclusively because of the quality of the site and my source said it was ok to share what he/she tells me BUT – ONLY on TrekCore.”

            This seems rather unlikely to me, but we will know once we learn more on Discovery if you are making this up or not.

          • Fctiger

            I actually brought this up before myself and that I can believe he has a source but it is a bit hard to believe he would have the same source for both the film and the show because as you said they are basically being made by two seperate companies. Yes under one mega corporation but for all intents and purproses they are seperate products meaning one doesn’t know what the other is doing. Now I’m sure there may be some who have access to both but those people would have to be VERY far up like Alex Kurtzman for example since he created both the films and the show but I highly doubt Kurtzman is telling anyone to spread this on a website lol.

            Of course there could be others lower than him but as stated its probably very few of those people outside of an executive level. Its not Trek of old where you had practically everyone working together on all the various shows and films from the writers to the caterers.

            Its basically like the Marvel set up today between their shows and movies. Anyone who watches that franchise knows the movies are made at Marvel Studios but the shows are run by Marvel TV and while there is some cross over the TV guys know practically nothing about whats happening on the movie side until a movie is completed and vice versa.

            So yeah its suspicious but we’ll see soon enough at least in terms of Discovery.

          • Michael

            Source is working on Discovery, but is well connected to people talking about Trek 4. Source has been working on Star Trek in one form or another for over 20 years. Well respected person who people talk with and look to for advice.

            Sorry to ruin the conspiracy theory you presented. When the show is revealed I will be vindicated.

          • Fctiger

            Ok fine. And look I’m not here to pester you about it. People will either believe it or not. But you can at least understand why people are skeptical right? Anyone could just spew anything out here and without zero shred of any proof makes it harder. But I will choose to believe you or at least hope you are right, at least about Discovery.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle
          • DS9 is King

            Devin Faraci is cool he said that Mirror Universe will have a Big role in Star Trek Discovery I hope it’s True, we need More Mirror Universe in Star Trek and I think we need a Mirror Universe series unfortunately the Fans won’t allow that saying ”THAT’S NOT STAR TREK”!!!!!!!!!

          • Fctiger

            Can I ask you where did you hear that?? I went looking for a quote online but couldn’t find it. But maybe thats why Michael is suddenly so excited about it now if true. I love the MU stories, especially the Enterprise 2 parter and most of the DS9 ones that really made the MU feel like its own place. So I would be cool if there is some kind of crossover with it.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        The Guardian of Forever just called to say hi.

        Whoops!!! LOL :-))

        • madmadia85

          and that’s the point: the reboot doesn’t use the guardian of forever and thus the old fashioned flavor of time travel as fiction, including trek, used to decipt it . The reboot uses quantum mechanics (how many times Orci explained that?) which is very different and the more modern, contemporary, approach to the time travel theory.
          Ignoring that is, well, stupid because it means having to ignore the foundation of this trek and the fact that the characters are in another reality and the prime reality doesn’t need to get restored.

          Some people really want trek (and possibly science fiction as a whole, it seems) to be stuck in the past and never evolve and it’s stupid, not to mention frustrating. Fiction is fiction but still inspired by real life and undeniably, what science knows nowadays is in many aspects different than what they knew 60 years ago so the inspirations might inevitably change too.
          A lot of people liked the new warp effect used in Beyond, for example, because it seems more reflective of how, realistically, a warp effect would work.. but I guess some trek purists hate it because tos didn’t decipt it that way.. A bit like those who complain that the bridge looks too ‘shiny’.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            OK, I get where you are coming from now. Good points!

      • Fctiger

        Yes THANK YOU!!!! I been saying this forever, its a DIFFERENT UNIVERSE so it doesn’t matter it needs to be ‘fixed’ so what is the point??

        And yeah I agree there are people still very confused by this concept. I still argue with people to this day that Spock didn’t just go back in time he went to a completely different universe separate from his own and yet 7 YEARS LATER there are a lot of people who go, “Nuh uh man”.

        Now I don’t really blame them so much as I blame the writers who never adequately explained it in the movie itself and why even now its so damn confusing to even hardcore sci fi fans. And that was intentional at the time not to confuse all the newbies to sci fa and Star Trek. The problem is it muddled their entire premise of the story. And I’ll be honest if I didn’t read the real intentions of the movie on sites like this I probably would’ve just thought he just went back in time as well.

        But yes as said its just another parallel universe out of millions. You don’t need to fix it nor is the one we know changed its just a different reality completely from Enterprise to Voyager were in. That was the ENTIRE point to do it this way, so they can just tell whatever stories they want in the ‘past’ and not over step canon. And yet people still want to ‘fix’ this timeline when the entire point is the intention was to make it different on purpose. I threw this example out before but it would be like trying to ‘fix’ the Mirror universe which is just another parallel universe like these films, the only difference is their shift in events from ours just happened much earlier and why its so different but its no different than the KT universe, so if you don’t want to ‘fix’ the MU to look like the prime universe why does anyone want to change the KT one back? It makes no sense.

        • Michael

          It needs to be fixed because the kelvin universe was corrupted by advanced technology it never intended to get. Trek 4 will repair the damage

          • Fctiger

            The problem is if you fix it you lose all the stories and development you already have. You’ll be resetting everything and it will make the stories that came before it now null and void so why do it??

            I mean the entire reason why they put it in another universe in the first place so people won’t suddenly feel 40 years of Star Trek from TOS to Enterprise would just be undone. Don’t get me wrong, I always thought that idea was silly. If reruns of those shows are still airing nothing has been ‘erased’ but this is how anal people can be.

            But in this case thats what would literally happen in terms of the narrative. Sure you can watch them all still but it would reset from the beginning meaning everything that happened didnt and I don’t get the point of wanting to change that? If this was something that was changed within the first film that would be different but to do it now would disrupt this entire series. I mean its literally called the Kelvin Timeline for that purpose because its meant to show a different timeline than the others.

            No offense but I hope you’re completely wrong. It would take away everything we been watching for 7 years now.

      • DS9 is King

        Thanks for saying that I have been telling everyone this since 2009.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      “I have chose TrekCore exclusively because of the quality of the site and my source said it was ok to share what he/she tells me BUT – ONLY on TrekCore.”

      I think you have perhaps inadvertently just exposed yourself as making all of this up. The reason I say this is that the Discovery production and the Bad Robot movies are being done by completely different studios and completely different production companies, making it extremely unlikely that you would have this supposed “single source” who is feeding you information, because no single source that anyone would be aware of likely exists that would have inside information on both productions.

      This is like saying that you have a single inside source that feeds you key inside information on BOTH Microsoft and Apple..

      • Michael

        Source is working on Discovery, but is well connected to people talking about Trek 4. Source has been working on Star Trek in one form or another for over 20 years. Well respected person who people talk with and look to for advice.

        Sorry to ruin the conspiracy theory you presented. When the show is revealed I will be vindicated.

  • spooky

    Didn’t JJ mention in an interview that he was done with sequels and reboots. That didn’t last long now did it?!

  • Pip Savage

    Beyond did $343,471,816 worldwide, which would make it more of an under-performer than an outright “flop”. But I’d say it performed just as expected considering its generic marketing consisted of little more than “Here’s yet another Star Trek movie. Oh, it also has a motorcycle.”

    • Roger Birks

      Paramount wanted a movie for 50th no matter what… and the final product reflects this… I think it turned better than it had any right to do really. It could have been really bad. It is just OK. And the box office reflects that!

      • Fctiger

        But its amazing to me and so many others they fought so hard to get this film out for the 50th anniversary but then they never did a single thing to market it AS the 50th anniversary. There was never a single ad anywhere reminding people that this was a major year for the franchise. I mean when I think how much they did to promote the films and the anniversaries for the 25th and 30th were amazing. There were more things going on with Trek in general at the time, especially the 30th but they really tied the anniversaries to the films.

        Here complete opposite. You would never know it was the 50th. They could’ve done so much to get people’s attention that this was a big deal but they didn’t bother. Even the story line itself had no real ties to the meaning of Star Trek, it was a run of the mill story line which also didn’t get people excited and why it didn’t do well.

        The marketing for Beyond was just horrible. They showed one awful trailer and then sat on their hands for literally 6 months to throw out another one which was leagues better but by then the damage was done. I just don’t know what the marketing people were thinking? The entire thing made the film feel generic and lack luster. Yes the end product turned out fairly well all things given but it was a bad sign from the start when the fired the original writer and director and the PR never recovered even if the end product turned out OK.

  • Emperor Kirk

    I would hope that Star Trek 4 would be a Mirror Universe movie, how cool would that be if we got a Evil Version of George Kirk.

    • Roger Birks

      The problem with that idea is it is a really strong concept which General movie audiences would struggle to work with. Star Trek cannot be Star Wars anymore because the real think is being done, every year so I hear!

      Trek’ does need something radically different next time.

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    • Gene’s Vision

      Good Heavens!

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          • DS9 is King

            I apologize for my friends outburst he is very Depressed he can’t get a girlfriend he can’t get the kind of girl he wants because unfortunately there are no Girls out there who like Video Games Star Wars Star Trek or Martial Arts so he is trying to make himself laugh and posting comments on the internet, but this is just done because he is trying to cheer himself up please be considerate because this is a Very bad world and there is a lot of depression out there, thanks and God Bless.

  • spooky

    Fresh off his amazing appearance in Ghostbusters and that Vacation movie with the giant prosthetic schlong… we get Thor!

  • zeeman1

    Mirror universe for sure.

  • stephen mccord

    Beyond just killed all excitement I had for the franchise going forward. It was the worse star trek movie made ever. No plot, boring story, boring setting, boring character development. Only good part was bones one liners.