Ira Behr’s DEEP SPACE NINE Documentary Launches Crowdfunding Campaign

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FEB. 10 UPDATE: The “What We Left Behind” campaign has hit its original $150,000 goal in less than 48 hours – and has now published expanded “stretch” goals at the $250k, $350k, $425k, and $500k levels to expand the production and scope of the documentary project.

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If you know our us, we don’t typically cover fundraiser campaigns – but with Star Trek: Deep Space Nine showrunner Ira Behr’s previously-announced documentary on the acclaimed series, we’re excited to see what the team is putting together and wanted to spread the word!

First announced back in August, “What We Left Behind” has now launched a crowdfunding campaign to help with both post-production costs and licensing fees required to allow Deep Space Nine photo and video content to be included in the documentary project, similar to 455 Films’ previous Trek-related documentary, the Leonard Nimoy biopic For the Love of Spock.

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From the Indiegogo campaign page:

Our documentary film, What We Left Behind: Looking Back at Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, will take a detailed look at this historic series and consider the reasons Deep Space Nine went from a family outcast to a Star Trek mainstay. The film will also contain a “what if” segment in which the original writers brainstorm a theoretical 8th season of the show.

Spearheaded by original show-runner Ira Steven Behr, directed by Adam Nimoy (For the Love of Spock), and with a handful of key interviews already ‘in the bag,’ the #DS9Doc now needs YOUR HELP to reach completion by finishing filming, editing, and post-production.

As an independent film team without the same resources of a large movie studio, we are counting on the support of fellow DS9 fans to take part and show their interest by helping to complete and release the film, and receiving valuable perks and rewards in return.

Filmmaking is an expensive venture, and while many of our team members and cast have already generously offered much of their own time (and money!) into the filming of the documentary, the post-production phase is a lengthy and technical process involving many aspects which we simply don’t have the ability to fund without outside help.

Our goal of (just under) $150,000 is the minimum we’ve calculated necessary to complete post-production, license all necessary music and footage, and release a high-caliber film. However, further funding will allow us to do more and release more exclusive rewards just for you, the backers (keep an eye out for our STRETCH GOALS, coming soon!).

The initial fundraising goal is just under $150,000 USD, and there are a variety of reward packages available to donors, based on contribution amounts, including special screenings, Blu-ray and DVD copies of the documentary, and other items.

Based on the Indigogo campaign page, What We Left Behind appears to be targeted for release in early 2018. As more information becomes available, we’ll continue to update you here on this exciting Deep Space Nine retrospective project!

  • MaxCafe

    Looks like it’d be great doco. This might kick start a studio interest in HD transfers of DS9, with the appropriate backing.

    • The monumentally-large amount of money needed for that sort of campaign makes it quite unlikely that a crowdfunding effort would be used for that type of project.

      • Michael

        One episode could be possible. To show how awesome DS9 would be.

        • Rob Toohey

          We did get a small glimpse at it when the Enterprise-D visited the station briefly.

          • Michael

            That’s why fans want it so badly.

        • Neil Kesler

          your the genius around here Michael, what dont you tell us what you know!

        • StuUK

          “Star Trek Deep Space Nine… The Next Level” — “Way of the Warrior.”
          If I had to choose just one DS9-R episode.

      • PVS76

        I think it’s time for a Star Trek foundation. We only need a very reach donation for that. Maybe someone like Bezos is reading this…

        • Thomas W.

          Nice idea. Let the rich people pay for it, because the “real” fans won’t give a red cent for their favorite series… 😀

          $20 Mio. are calculated for 7 seasons. Around $3 Mio. for one season. Even if they could take $100 per seasons from the “real” fans, they had to sell about 30.000 copies of every season worldwide to bring in the costs. And the distributors ask for their share, too. So let’s say 40.000 copies à $100 per season to make profit, disregarding the revenue of the TV/streaming licences. But to be realistic: even most “real” fans would not pay more than 25 bucks per season, so they had to sell about 150.000 copies per season worldwide.

          I’m afraid there are not enough Trekkies in the world to make this profitable.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Your numbers are based on a remastering process that was developed 8 years ago. The software and tools today are much more efficient.

            And you completely ignore that Blu-ray would really be just a side niche market for the HD mastering….online sales of the series for decades is the prize, and I guarantee you that within the next 3 to 7 years, they will start re-mastering this just because they need to to update and preserve the property for decades of future income.

          • PVS76

            I hope you’re right! I’d be more than happy to contribute to a crowdfunding initiative, as I have just done with the “What we have left behind” doco. Ultimately, though, I really believe that a Star Trek foundation would be a good way to go: the cultural significance of Star Trek is indisputable and a foundation could preserve and promote the series for future generations. There would be lots of rights issues to address with CBS, but I imagine a hypothetical foundation taking care of the restoration projects and getting a share of the revenues generated by the remastered episodes. There are very wealth fans out there who could contribute (Jeff Bezos, Paul Allen, etc), but then of course the fan base as a whole could donate as well.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I like the foundation idea.

          • StuUK

            It’s talk like that that’ll make Dusty Ayres have a $h!£ fit!

          • PVS76

            How much do you think it would cost to crowdfund the Director’s Edition of The Motion Picture?

          • Thomas W.

            I only mentioned bluray sales but I thought of online/streaming sales, too. They aren’t cheaper than blurays. Au contraire: often streaming offers are dearer than blurays.

            Robert Meyer Burnett recently explained on treknews.net why we probably never will see DS9 and VOY in HD/UHD.

            http://www.treknews.net/2017/02/02/why-ds9-voyager-not-on-blu-ray-hd/

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            My point was that the size of the worldwide market for streaming will vastly dwarf Blu-Ray in the coming years (and it already does). And CBS, to tap this market for it’s older Trek properties, will eventually remaster DS9 and Voyager for this market — to preserve the sales of these properties far into the future. It’s like putting a new roof on your house — you eventually have to do it.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        I disagree. As I said above, If CBS did a Kickstarterfor $3M over 90 days to start remastering DS9, I bet they would make the goal. That would likely be enough for them to get through season 1, given advancements in remastering software and more efficient practices.

        TNG I believe cost about $5M for season 1, but a lot of that was non-recurring costs of building the tools and doing it for the first time.

        • Ben

          Doing a Season at a time is a nice idea, because I’m sure they can get enough people going the first time around at least, especially with some visit Discovery set kinda stretch goals.

      • bgoo2

        Shocking to hear website admin say something like this. $200k raised overnight for a simple DS9 documentary. Look how much Axanar raised. Now imagine an official worldwide studio campaign to *assist* with covering the cost of remastering a key asset in their online streaming catalog….

  • Falcon Falcone

    Love this. Can’t wait to contribute and watch. FAR UNDERRATED Trek series.

  • Michael

    I love Ira Behr. 😉

    • Fctiger

      Me too. God I wish he was writing the films or contributing for Discovery.

      • Michael

        He’s very talkative

  • I’d love to have an 8th season of Deep Space Nine! In fact, I’d trade Nemesis and every Trek after it for more DS9!

    • Laughing Boy

      I would trade Nemesis and the Kelvin movies for magic beans.

      • Io Jupiter

        I would start with Insurrection and everything after.

    • Fctiger

      Yeah me too! I would easily trade in the last four films just for a solid 8th season. Imagine the ridiculous amount of money Beyond cost for example. The would give us three more seasons of DS9 from that film alone and I’m talking a full 20 episode season. Thats nuts.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Me too

    • Ben

      Here’s where I add the usual “I hope do DS9 blu” comment.

  • James

    Remastered DS9 is what the fans crave, this film should be a bonus featurette, not the main feature.

    Sure. I hear the people that say it’s too expensive to do, but they should start by releasing the great two partners first.

    The TNG remastered was always doomed in my opinion. You had a whole new generation of fans who were interested, thanks to the smash hit ST09. And what did CBS release for them to enjoy? The best of both worlds? Unification? No. Their entry into the world of Trek was the weakest season in the entire franchise. The same would be true for DS9. The sales of season 1 might be OK, but no-one sticks with weak shows now, they get cancelled before they have a chance to reach greatness.

    Release the fantastic two parters in a TV movie format for TNG and VOY. Capitalise on what I hope is the success of STD.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      If CBS did a Kickstarterfor $3M over 90 days to start remastering DS9, I bet they would make the goal. That would likely be enough for them to get through season 1, given advancements in remastering software and more efficient practices.

      • James

        I don’t know much about the remastering process, beyond what I’ve read up on through the various Trek sites. I guess that technology is always making these things easier – certainly the CG work would be cheaper to re-create. In fact, people like Gabe Koerner, The Okudas, Doug Drexler and Mojo would love to be involved in that, I’m sure.

        I guess another consideration for CBS is that, by introducing new remastered DS9, would that act as competition against STD? I remember producers of Enterprise lamenting the poor ratings, saying that their audience was watching re-runs of TNG, DS9 and VOY.

        The trouble with DS9 and VOY is that they didn’t start firing on all thrusters until their fourth seasons! It’s hard to imagine any of the post TOS shows surviving against the quality TV that we’ve become accustomed to today. Shows like Breaking Bad, Sneaky Pete, Game of Thrones, they’re all great, straight out of the gate.

        I’m really thinking that by remastering TNG and releasing it’s weakest season first was an error. Sure, fanboys like us would be complaining that they’d made us double dip, but I think it would have succeeded had they released the TV movies first.

  • Jaqarll

    Seriously, just upscale all the effect shots of DS9, but rescan all the normal footage. Still, most of the stuff in the show are not CGI effects, I wouldn’t mind them being upscaled, as long as all the actual footage is in HD.

    And you could do the effect shots later on as well.

    • Crowd source the CGI to the fans if needed. I’m confident that they’ll do a great job.

    • StuUK

      I’m absolutely gagging to see DS9 enter a Hi-Def world but if CBS were to commission such a lukewarm effort with respect to the show’s special effects material, I’d prefer that they leave the whole show alone.

      Cutting my nose off despite my face? – Perhaps. But it’s all the way or not at all for me. The show deserves all the attention it needs to ensure it remains a quality piece of entertainment.

  • Sykes

    Boom! Donated.

  • Dendrobates!

    Donated! If this project gets loads of support, maybe those CBS fellows will consider a blu ray conversion …

  • Tone

    So this is now how CBS and Paramount treat customers, make them directly pay or get nothing.

    Also interesting to see TrekCore posting this on it’s page. Almost as if it’s sanctioned by CBS or Paramounts marketing dept, as that seems to be the only way anything is posted here… Hmmm makes you wonder…

    • jonathanwthomas

      CBS/Paramount have nothing to do this this documentary.

      • Tone

        Sadly, your right.

    • Tone, we are not affiliated with CBS or Paramount, or their marketing teams (despite your repeated assertions to the contrary).

      This documentary isn’t, either, as they clearly state that much of this money being raised is for licensing costs to include DS9 content.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Perhaps he can’t hear you…some people are tone deaf? 😉

        • Tone

          Hold on, you got a little bit of brown on your nose…

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Touche! 😉

      • Tone

        So why no news coverage of things that are vital to Star Trek? Why the inconsistent treatment of projects that are advertised here?

        It is very easy to see that you are very close to CBS/Paramounts marketing. It’s fine that you are, but I would rather you be honest and upfront.

        There are real world news events related to Star Trek, its actors and behind the camera staff that you simply ignore, while posting advert after advert for comics and CBS/Paramount product releases.

        This is a good place to come, and has, for the most part, a good community, but it’s slipping in to being an unofficial marketing arm of CBS.

        • Aside from fan film material, which we have never included in our coverage, please let us know what specifically we have not reported on. If we’ve missed something ‘vital’ – and not simply rumor – we’re very interested to know.

    • Fctiger

      CBS and Paramount has zero to do with this project. If they did they wouldn’t need to ask for money in the first place.

      • Tone

        Stating the obvious… They SHOULD have commissioned this, as part of the DS9 DVD re-issue.

        • Fctiger

          To be fair there have been tons of interviews, behind the scenes and post follow ups on various Trek DVDS. But what Ira is dong here is a full on 2 hour documentary that will just be its own thing. I can’t blame CBS or Paramount not wanting to produce it as they probably think there isn’t a big demand for it and probably right. But same time considering how fast fans paid to get it finished in a day also proves there IS a demand for sure but probably not big enough for the studio to pay for it.

          Hey, thats OK. Its obvious everyone involved in the documentary including Ira is not getting paid for it they are just doing it out of an act of love and they know they aren’t going to get rich off of it they are really doing it for the fans who knows that and why they are responding in kind.

          This is what fandom is about. Maybe they could’ve convinced William Shatner to be part of it since that guy now makes several Trek documentaries a year it seems like and go to however he gets money to make them but they figured it out. Can’t wait to see it.

          • Tone

            Why are you reacting like I have a problem with this documentary? I never said I was against it. I have even donated to it! Jeez

          • Fctiger

            I’m simply disagreeing I don’t think CBS or Parmount had to make it thats all. Of course it will be nice but it just sounds like Ira’s personal pet project and they found a way to do it without them, no big deal. Everyone still wins.

            Now that said it would be nice if they donated something but my guess is they are going to allow him to use any resources and media from the show. Don’t know if thats the case but if so thats a fair trade off.

            I’m not upset with you, just having a conversation. 🙂

    • Sykes

      “make them directly pay or get nothing.”

      Even though it’s not CBS doing this, why would they give it away for free anyway? Complaining that a company charges people for their product is weird.

      • Tone

        Who said anything about Free??? It should have been part of the ‘new’ DS9 box set.

        • Sykes

          Even if there were a way to put a doco that isn’t finished yet on a box set that came out already, how does that make sense? The DS9 DVD box costs more than the doco will, so people would just bitch about having to re-buy the whole series just for the doco.

          And that’s ignoring the fact that CBS aren’t the ones making the doco.

  • Michael Broadhead

    Sadly looks like Avery Brooks isn’t participating.

    • Michael

      Avery Brooks has not been “participating” in reality itself for many years now, let alone this project.

      • Michael Broadhead

        Haha! Though he has been a couple bigger conventions. Just unfortunate considering this will likely be the only feature length DS9 documentary we’ll get.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Jesus, the man has been sick, and still managed to appear in Boston in 2014, and in London in 2012.

        “many years” is simply a false statement.

        • Michael Broadhead

          Sick? I didn’t hear about that – what is ailing him?

          • Michael

            Mental illness

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Mental illness would be like pretending you have a secret source who provides you major inside info on Star Trek productions to be made public.

          • Fctiger

            Really? So is that why he’s not doing it? Its weird how this doesn’t get more coverage. Its just like what is happening to Jennifer Lien. That poor girl has been mentally ill for years and has gotten into a lot of legal trouble. But yet it seems completely ignored like no one in Star Trek ever talks about it. I don’t do conventions or anything but I come to sites like this and look up youtube clips on them time to time and I don’t think I ever heard any cast member say a peep about her. Its just sad to me I guess.

            Funny enough her and Brooks were in a movie together, American History X.

          • Michael

            It’s sad, very sad. Avery suffers from bi-polar disorder. Lien is a huge mess, mental illness, drugs, drinking. No one talks about this stuff because it ruins their utopia of Star Trek. Shatner fighting his cast members. Mulgrew being a diva acting unprofessional with Jeri Ryan. Etc..

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            HE DOES NOT HAVE BIPOLAR DISORDER.

            A friend of mine knows his family, and that is not his illness. However, I will not blab publicly on his situation.

          • Michael

            So, you are referring to the alcholism then. It’s not a secret he is a drunk.

          • Fctiger

            Yeah I guess you’re right they wouldn’t really say these things at conventions. End of the day its all a big PR event and I’m sure the people who runs them wants to keep it all happy and positive. But even when they do personal interviews you never hear anything. And its not their JOB to say anything but they always say how they are a family off the show etc, its surprising you never hear anything. Especially from Mulgrew because I read her and Lien were very close and why she was so upset about Jeri Ryan replacing Lien.

          • StuUK

            I attended the 5 Captains event in London convention (2012 I think!). Seeing all five of them sharing the stage at the same time was a real hoot but it was evident to me that Avery was indeed the straightest of them all. Maybe he just lacked experience with the convention scene and dealing with the intensity of emotion that comes with a large room full of fans pushing that level of adoration at the stage. Maybe he was distracted… Maybe he was overwhelmed… Maybe he was just being a little enigmatic.
            A few years later I saw Shatner’s “The Captains” documentary including of course the interview with Avery. I thought it was a bit surreal and unfocused. Avery responded to questions (it was more of a conversation than an interview actually) but he never really revealed much; he had next to nothing to offer regarding his experiences playing the Captain. – Can’t deny that I thought to myself, is he even okay? – Maybe he was being a lot enigmatic!
            I’ll confess that I’ve thrown the question at Google and from what I can see there has been nothing published or announced to support the conclusion that he’s experiencing any kind of decline; it’s all been subject to fan conjecture… But it’ll be a whole universe of sad if it’s true.

            The Jennifer Lien story blew my fricken mind. I fail to bridge the character of the woman in THAT story to that of the young woman I’d seen interviewed on the special features of the Voyager DVD’s.
            The discord that existed between Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew really disappointed me. Jeri Ryan is heart stop gorgeous of course but she grabbed the character of Seven by the scruff and presented something really memorable; surely you can only create quality if you’re genuinely good at your craft?
            Now I adore Kate Mulgrew. I see her as thoughtful, articulate, intelligent; check out her interviews (not just for Trek, on anything) – THAT is a pretty wise lady and yet hearing that on the set of Voyager she would wilfully play a part in making things difficult for Jeri Ryan really really disappoints me.
            To us it’s pretty evident that it’s the producers that wanted to risk (I’m hesitant to use the word cheapen) compromise the integrity of the show by introducing a ‘babe’ to the bridge; but as far as I know, Mulgrew has never offered her side of the story; there’s got to be more to this than plain and simple bitchyness. For all we know Jeri was tactless with her introductions to the cast.

            The Shatner Vs. Takei is almost legendary. I’d recommend Shatner’s Audio CD “Up to Now”. He talks about his relationship with the cast and he pretty much admits that his motivations were always in service to the betterment of the stories they were telling. He also admits that at the time he was ignorant of the consequences of stealing/cutting the dialogue of his colleagues and robbing them of opportunities to perform but that he has since attempted to patch things up with them all. It takes two to assemble a relationship though doesn’t it and if George isn’t interested…

            The TNG cast though: Fun fun fun fun fun, laughing, p!$$taking, fun more laughing, love, hugs, kisses, song, fun, fun, fun and let’s get some more laughing going! – Love them!!

        • Michael

          Oh please, his mental health has been sketchy at best all the way back to DS9. Don’t hide the stigma of mental illness.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            LOL — you just described our new President to a tee.

  • M33

    Contributed 200.

    Maybe more later if they are short of the goal.

    Guys, seriously, all us Trek fans could easily crowdfund a DS9 HD remaster…

    • Andreas

      And it could have been more, if they had other payment options.
      Why they do not have paypal as option?
      I don’t use a credit card.
      I hope they will use the money bonus to track down and save all still existing CG models and assets, for the future.
      Obviously CBS themselves don’t care about it.

    • Fctiger

      Thanks for doing that. I would give them more if i could. I was thinking of providing $50 but seeing how fast they are getting donors already I think I’ll just hold on to it and buy the actual documentary.

  • grandadmiralbinks

    I am a DIE-HARD DS9 fan, but this was just totally cringeworthy. Sorry, I had to say it.

  • Fctiger

    Well they are asking for $150,000 and already at $96,000 in less than a day lol. I have a feeling they are going to get there.

    • Ben

      They made it. CBS take note for the HD remaster.

      • Fctiger

        LOL already?? Nice.

  • Darkthunder

    Looks like Captain Sisko (Avery Brooks) is the only main (or secondary) actor not involved in this documentary. Distancing himself from the character?

    Would love to see a DS9 reunion movie, or Season 8 (and beyond). Looks like most of the actors are still very much interested in participating in Trek.

    • Michael

      Avery is a…. strange dude. Always has been. Mental illness sucks

      • Pedro Ferreira

        What mental illness does he suffer from?

    • Fctiger

      What I always loved and noticed about Trek is that the actors usually stay very loyal to the franchise for years long after. Even people like Terry Ferrel who left the show in 7th season never turned her back on it (although she was on it for 6 years) and Dax was a fan favorite (and still looks hot btw). Its even amazing to see people like Denise Crosby who left TNG in season 1 even today still involved in Star Trek conventions, producing documentaries, etc.

      Sure I’m not naive I know there is a money component to it too but most really do seem to embrace being part of the franchise. Some have turned away but most seem very proud to be a part of it and I think why fandom is so strong because the actors treat it with such loyalty long after they left it.

      • StuUK

        In particular it’s the bond between all the TNG players that’s always fascinated me; they’re so close knit. I’m not aware of another ensemble that can boast that measure of camaraderie more than two decades after their show ended production. I don’t doubt that the convention circuit played its part in reinforcing those ties. – On those rare occasions, seeing them all together, bouncing off each other the funny, the wisecracks and even the sentimental is a beautiful thing!

  • I didn’t think For the Love of Spock was as good as it could have been, but hopefully Ira Behr will be in control of the actual content, and 455 Films will just do the behind-the-scenes stuff.

    • Agreed. Adam Nimoy was appropriate enough for the Spock doc, I suppose, but someone who was there for all the DS9 era should be helming this documentary.

    • Michael

      Adam Nimoy is not very talented and is riding on the back of his fathers name.

    • Part of the problem was that the original idea for the documentary changed when Nimoy died. It was really supposed to be a doc about Adam Nimoy growing up with a father so closely associated with a fictional character. They instead tried to market it as tribute to Leonard, which didn’t completely work. I still enjoyed it.

      • Actually, it’s the opposite. The documentary was originally supposed to be about Spock, in honor of the 50th anniversary, but after Leonard died, Adam decided it needed to be about Spock AND Leonard, and it was only then that Adam’s personal story was added.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Frakes doesn’t make documentaries.

  • iMike

    Now sitting at almost $126K!!

  • Kenneth Hammer

    They’re currently a little over $13,000 dollars short right now. Considering that it’s only been around 24 hours, that is very good, and really shows the strength of the Star Trek Fandom in general, and DS9 Fandom in particular.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    Surprised they don’t take Paypal ? I was all ready to donate.

  • John H. Denner IV

    They are already at $140,000. Something tells me the fans love DS9, need DS9 and will forever enjoy DS9!

  • Wow, that got funded quickly. There’s plenty of love for DS9. (Hint, hint CBS and Paramount. Remaster the show!)

    • Pedro Ferreira

      I wonder if people raise enough money they can get Avery Brooks interviewed. Ha, ha!

  • Michael

    I was able to get in at the $2000 level, having dinner with Nana!

    • Fctiger

      OMG did you really give $2000 grand. And you’re having dinner with Nana Visitor? Dude thats amazing. I would love to be in your shoes. Any details how that will happen exactly? Do you go to her or does she come to you? Spill more details when you can.

      • Michael

        I will share everything, including pictures from the dinner the day after on my Facebook page that I will verify that it’s me who posts here.

        • Fctiger

          Yeah be great to see if you do. Do you have a date when you’re suppose to meet?

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      LOL, sure you did.

      • Fctiger

        Man look, I’m just going to be honest but every time I come here now there is this constant back and forth feud between you and Micheal. I know it stems because you don’t believe him and his source and look that is VALID but same time maybe its just time to leave it alone man. He’s not going to stop claiming what he knows and you constantly challenging on it isn’t stopping him either.

        You made your suspicions on this known and if it all turn out to be BS then I don’t remotely blame you for getting in his face about it. But until then just leave it alone at this point. Some choose to believe him, others don’t, its going to bare out sooner or later but it won’t now.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          I said, “LOL”. I think it’s funny that he is claiming this. Relax.

          • Fctiger

            I’m talking about all of it man. Every article you seem to challenge him on his source and thats your right. I’m only saying you have let your point be heard on it. You don’t believe him and I dont blame you for that. But the constant arguments over it just gets tedious at times thats all. But I don’t blame you for your suspicion.

            But it will bare out one way or the other in time.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Fair enough. I’ll consider taking a break on this for a bit. But the audacity of this dude really rubs me the wrong way. It’s like he’s holding court here, as Mr. Superfan Big Shot, who provides far more information than Trekcore on all Trek topics.

            I am not “buying what he is selling” one iota.

            He is an exceptional troll — I will give him that.

          • Fctiger

            Yeah I’m not trying to shut you up lol. Please don’t mistake that but I am saying at this point you guys are at a stalemate until we get real info at least. But yes I can tell he is not your favorite person lol. I don’t have an issue personally either way but it will bare out in time. My guess sooner than later once they wrap the first few episodes.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well, thanks for calming me down on this. 🙂

          • Fctiger

            LOL well if he turns out wrong then I look forward to the day you won’t be. 😉

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Problem is, after I challenged him several times, he just came up with this new claim that his source has asked him to include a portion of “fake news” along with his “scoops.” Thus, he has cleverly built in an excuse if some of his claims don’t pan out. And many of his claims qualify as “educated guesses” that you or I could come up with. So he has set it up, so that as long as some of his info proves out, he gets a “get out of jail free card” on the info that doesn’t pan out, as he will fall back on “that was my fake news” claim.

            So like I said, a very exceptional troll indeed. If it wasn’t so wrong, you’d want to congratulate him on how brilliant this crap is that he is pretty much pulling off here. But then again, it’s working for the leader of our land, so why not him? LOL

          • Fctiger

            LOL yeah the whole “I have to spread fake news among the real” is pretty bizarre agreed. I don’t get the point of that at all. Is it to shake the trail of his source? Well thats not exactly helpful since if you work on the show and you know which is actually real than it doesn’t hide anyone but yeah.

            I hope he’s not completely wrong but I won’t be shocked either way at this point. But you do have to wonder how someone can just be so blatantly lying weekly for months on end and not have a single qualm about it. People lie on the internet all the time but to do it so openly seems strange which is why I want to believe there is something to it, even if someone is lying to him about it. But again, we’ll see.

            And yes our new leader of the world tweets out his lies for the entire planet to see almost daily and doesn’t seem to care so there are people that brazen.

          • Michael

            It protects my source and it leaves fans guessing. If I post all of the stuff accurate TrekCore will realize via their sources I am the real deal and move to censor me.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You do realize how CONVENIENT of an excuse this sounds to those of us who have our doubts about you, right?

          • Michael

            I get it, I really do. But they take this stuff seriously and I have to do everything I can even if it seems odd or useless to protect the source. Please don’t forget the source has been a personal friend for over 20 years. That friendship means more to me than anything. If my friend says to stop posting the stuff he/she gives me – I will instantly.

            My source is on TrekCore as well, and reads everything I post. We literally talk nightly now because the show is in active production. I omit nearly 90% of the pinpoint details I am told because they are blatant spoilers.

            For example, a direct “spoiler” I posted about a week or so ago SPOILER FOLLOWS

            How the U.S.S. Atilo is attacked and destroyed by the equtorial Klingons

            END SPOILER

            I went too far with that, and I was admonished by my source. We are just happy it did not get out widespread. That’s why I post here on the comments and not the forum or anywhere else ( except my private website that I post blatant spoilers )

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            OK, you are starting to sway me that you might be for real…don’t disappoint me/us! 🙂

          • Fctiger

            OK but as I said I don’t understand how that protects your source? What I mean is if you are one of the people running the show clearly you know someone is leaking this from the show (since you said it numerous times) and actually know whats real and not real so I don’t know how that ‘protects’ anyone? Especially as you basically said you are purposely making up stuff to protect them. I just don’t get how that keeps him in the dark I guess. But again I always say I won’t get in the middle of it and I always do lol. You don’t even have to respond I’m just thinking out loud.

          • Michael

            We will see who is laughing when I share photos of the dinner with Nana here. 🙂 I will cross post it with my Facebook account as proof.

            I happen to be blessed with a high quality job that do from home, self employed. I could afford the $2k, so I did it.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Assuming against all odds that everything you post on this site is for real, then if you are foolish enough to provide your real identity, then you can bet the mgmt staff at CBS, who I have no doubt has noticed you posting info from an inside source here, will then have a major clue that will allow them to figure out who the source is – and your friend would likely be fired, and perhaps sued.

          • Michael

            No, source won’t be sued or fired. I will be able to 100% confirm the pictures without putting the source at risk.

  • bgoo2

    Look how fast the funding poured in on a single independent documentary. Demonstrates once again how little Paramount/CBS understands the value of it’s customer base and it’s willingness to fund worthwhile projects related to this franchise.

    • Fctiger

      Well they DID give us both a $200 million movie last year and producing a pretty expensive new TV show. I hear what you’re saying but its not like they are just ignoring the fans. The problem with Trek has always been the case its popular but not overly popular. In other words it makes money but not crazy money like other franchises so projects takes longer to get going. If it was Star Wars they wouldn’t even blink at this point. I’m only saying we have to see it on their side as well. And after Beyond flopped I can imagine they are kind of hesitating about what to release and maybe partly why Discovery is getting moved back because they really want to do it right and don’t want that to flop which it very well can since Beyond proved that.

    • I donated, but I don’t think 3000 Trek fans contributing to a documentary is going to convince the powers that be of much. As already said, they are making an expensive new TV show, which certainly indicates they’re aware of an existing audience.

  • Kirksdeadjim

    Laughing at all the people who are stupid enough to contribute their own money for a documentary on a tv show that is already covered by dvd extras and media.

    And guys DS9 on blu ray will NEVER happen, so stop whining about it!

    • Ian Fleming

      Laughing at somebody laughing at people who are fans of something that brings a little joy into their lives. And if people want to vent their rage at the shortsightedness of CBS what business is it of yours? Like the man said, “Get a life.”

    • iMike

      The docs produced exclusively for the TNG Blu Rays included a lot of information and fresh perspectives that were not included on the old TNG DVD docs. So I suppose my question to you is, how do you know this documentary isn’t going to produce new information that isn’t widely known and that wasn’t on the DS9 DVD docs? If early 2018 is in fact the release, it will be 25 years since the series premiered. The cast involved surely has fresh perspective on the work they did, as they’ve had two plus decades to reflect on it.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Wrong on all accounts, Mensa.

      Don’t quit your day job, because your piss-poor attempt at humor is just not cutting it. Lol

  • Ian Fleming

    I’m not in a position to donate but I do wish this project and its backers all the success in the world. Congratulations on hitting the goal so quickly.

  • StuUK

    I submitted my contribution this afternoon, although by that point they had already smashed through their target. – $150K inside a day… Impressive! Their production promises to get significantly more polished and elaborate if they can crack $425K; I sincerely hope they get there.

  • Michael

    I have very exciting news folks regarding Discovery. I will post it tomorrow. It’s BIG. Direct from my source.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      So can you please confirm that what you will be posting tomorrow is not part of the “fake news” that your source has requested you periodically interject with the supposed “real news”?

      • Michael

        Not fake news. The real deal. Come play at my home for real info. Unlike here, I don’t pull leaks because they are real and they tell me to pull the story. 🙂

        Enjoy the first song from Star Trek: Discovery!

        http://ncc-1031.com/has-star-trek-discoverys-intro-music-been-revealed/

        ( Hint: Its really the extended end theme credits )

        🙂

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          I like the music. It’s like if Stewart Copeland did a Star Trek theme.

          If this is your big scoop from your inside source, why it is posted on another public web site?

          • Michael

            I am part of the staff of that website. I don’t have access to post this on TrekCore..

        • Fctiger

          Yeah I like the music too but this can’t be the ‘big’ news. I heard this a month ago and its been posted on numerous blogs about that long.

          • Michael

            Yes.. but I have more music in the works

          • Fctiger

            Oh ok. Yeah would like to hear more.

          • Michael

            It will be put on that above website as soon as I get the green light from the source

        • We have conflicting information on the content of photograph which is why our coverage is being held pending further investigation of the image.

          Regarding the music, while it’s lovely, we’ve confirmed with our sources that the theme and composer are not connected to “Discovery” (as of early January, at least, when the clip made the rounds) – though it was published first in September. (And we stated this on Twitter several weeks ago: https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/817208204165783553)

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Wow — Michael, how do you explain this, given you seemed in imply you had this vetted by your source?

          • Fctiger

            Yeah I think Michael has some explaining to do here. He made it sound like it came directly from the production.

          • Michael

            With all due respect, you are wrong. I am quite confident that my source is above the hierarchy of any source you have.

            The composer is directly involved and the final title theme has been selected as of 8 Feb 17.

            I am glad TrekCore has finally decided to respond and get involved. I understand TrekCore is often instructed to do the production a courtesy such as the leaked Klingon images. I am not hamstrung by such things. And I will prove it.

            To end this speculation once and for all, I will be posting the final title theme on 1 March 17 on whatever latest article TrekCore has up at the time.

          • Fctiger

            Oh this should be fun. A battle brewing! Who is right, Trekcore or Michael? This is almost as exciting as the latest craziness coming from the White House.

          • “Unlike here, I don’t pull leaks because they are real and they tell me to pull the story… I understand TrekCore is often instructed to do the production a courtesy such as the leaked Klingon images.”

            Please don’t assume things that aren’t accurate. If you have concerns about our coverage, please feel free to email us through the Connect > Contact Our Team link at the top menu rather than claiming to know things about our site that are not correct. Thank you.

          • Michael

            Why did you remove this:

            TrekCoreStaff

            “We have conflicting information on the content of photograph which is why our coverage is being held pending further investigation of the image.”

            Don’t be “conflicted” – put out both..I could post them here if you want instead….

  • Michael

    Who wants to know more about the recent Klingon leaked picture?

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Again, this is available on another web site, so you bringing this up now ignores that you didn’t break this news….just saying

      BTW, this is fantastic. The Klingons are much more alien — just like I was hoping for as I posted a number of months ago what I wanted to see in the new series.

      • Fctiger

        Yeah I like the look too but it does seem like a lot of people…don’t! I wish people at least waited until they got everything in context first but anything that goes against the all powerful canon is a sin to some people.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Yep. It’s no different than what GR himself did to make the Klingons look more alien in TMP.

      • Michael

        I know, the leaker of that picture was terminated. I am not trying to “impress” people. I can honestly care less if people are impressed. I am simply a super fan with a source that is willing to share

  • Michael

    This week is supposed to be a very important week for Discovery filming , and last night I got off the phone with my source who said he/she is going to provide “treasure troves” of goodies the next month.

    I am so excited

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Excellent. I am looking forward to getting some short term scoops from you that can validate that this info you have been providing is for real.

      Looking forward to it — thanks!

      PS: Please make sure it’s not stuff we can find at other web sites.

      • Michael

        No problem. It involves the Klingons and why these ones look different

  • Michael

    Rumor has it that those Klingons are equatorial/pre-praxis Klingons. Take that how you will…

    • Fctiger

      Pre-praxis? Ok I’m a Trek nerd but I don’t know everything. What does that mean exactly? Isn’t Praxis the moon the blew up in TUC?

      • Michael

        Yes. But think back as to why it blew up, and just how toxic it must have been to work on Praxis for many many years. It could change a person…

        • Fctiger

          OOOOOH! I see! 🙂

          Wow dude if this is true then you might convince us you really do have a source. That would actually be pretty damn cool and would calm all the naysayers down at the same time.

        • Fctiger

          Off topic I guess but why isn’t Trekcore covering this????? Its on every major Trek site but this one. I mean I get it its a small staff but it takes all of 10 minutes to post an article on it on the site.

          • We have conflicting information on the content of photograph which is why our coverage is being held pending further investigation of the image.

          • Michael

            TrekCore is handcuffed by TPTB. They also want to stay on their good side, so they don’t tread on their toes.

          • Fctiger

            Well to be fair they did end up covering it after all.

  • Pedro Ferreira

    With the amount of money taken CBS should crowd fund new CGI for blu-ray season releases for the show or let the fans do it.

    • Michael

      It would take far more money than that.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        If the documentary can get crowdfunded in two days I think there’s hope.