Now this is a surprise! CBS has announced today that actor Rainn Wilson – best known as Dwight Schrute from NBC’s version of The Office – has been cast as 23rd Century con man Harry Mudd in Star Trek: Discovery.

Studio City, CA  —  Rainn Wilson is set to appear in STAR TREK: DISCOVERY as “Harry Mudd,” the charismatic conman and intergalactic criminal first introduced in the original Star Trek television series. The Emmy nominated actor’s credits include “The Office,” and the films “Super” and “Meg,” opposite Jason Statham, a pre-historic shark tale.

Star Trek, one of the most iconic and influential global television franchises, returns to television 50 years after it first premiered with STAR TREK: DISCOVERY.  The series will feature a new ship, new characters and new missions, while embracing the same ideology and hope for the future that inspired a generation of dreamers and doers.

Swindler Harcourt Fenton Mudd appeared in two episodes of the Original Series, as well as one of the follow-up animated adventures as well, and was referenced in 2013’s Star Trek Into Darkness.

Roger C. Carmel as the classic, handlebar-mustachioed Harry Mudd. (“Mudd’s Women”)

We’ve not yet received any hints as to how Mudd will be involved in the Discovery storyline, but with Wilson’s comedic chops, the performance is sure to be stellar!

Star Trek: Discovery premieres later this year on CBS All Access, Space, and Netflix.

  • ricky

    Whaaat!! Thats great!!!

  • Havenbull

    This better be an April Fools joke

    • James

      Maybe sanity prevails and you’re right.

    • Xandercom

      Must jump on the TOS gravy train as much as possible!

      • Zarm

        It would be nice if the franchise could remember that there were other eras, especially ones that don’t have continuity issues.

        • RealOutrage

          All they have to do is pick up 70 years after the Dominion War the same way TNG picked up 70 years after the Kirk era. But noooooooooooooo.

    • There’s a pretty obvious April Fool’s joke on the official Star Trek site about a split between two Star Trek writers. So unless they’re making TWO April Fool’s jokes, this one may be real.

      I never liked Harry Mudd. If they need a shady fat man from TOS who can stir up trouble, I’d rather see Cyrano Jones.

      • John Brownbill

        this is real considering when it was posted

    • Fctiger

      No sadly its real.

  • Tone

    Oh god no. I wish this series was not based on TOS.

    • Impecunious Joe

      All Star Trek series are based on TOS.

      • Tone

        You know what I’m saying… if not then good luck with life.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          So if he does understand you, he would have bad luck with life?

          I think he’s better off then not knowing what you are saying. LOL

        • Impecunious Joe

          Well, sure, but this series is set a mere ten years before TOS, and has a focus on the crew of a ship in the same organization. It’s not wholly unreasonable that a couple previously-established characters turn up again here.

          Every Star Trek series since the original, every single one, has had at least a couple appearances by characters from the previous shows – even the last one, despite taking place a century or more before all of the previous five series – but that didn’t stop any of them from from introducing plenty of new characters and new stories.

    • Xandercom

      It’s crazy how the TOS fans are not only going nuts for it, but also refuse to accept that their subset of fanatics is pretty small. As far as they are concerned the world is waiting with baited breath for the prequel to end all prequels!

      Completely failing to see or accept that this is the last thing the fandom wanted, and pretty much unanimously calling this out as a really, really bad idea.

  • Morgan Smith

    Awesome!

  • James

    To boldly Discover what we discovered 50 years ago, in a ship whose design is a Rip off of a rejected one from over 30 years ago. You’ll see reimagined Klingons, thrill to a reimagined Sarek. Next up will be Romulans, but why stop there? We can boldly redo the Cardassians, Borg, Andorians and more. You’ll have seen it all before, but slightly differently. Discovery, discover the history of the future. My hopes have faded that this will be any good. The future of Star Trek may rest on the next movie.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Except for your two concluding two sentences, this is exactly what I want to see in this show.

      Great set up, wrong conclusion!

      • Tone

        Yep, he’s wrong and not entitled to an opinion because he doesn’t think like you. Nice

        I for one have a terrible feeling he might be right.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          No, I never claimed that.

          He is wrong AND he’s also entitled to his opinion, as are you. 🙂

        • Cabo 5150

          A fluffy haired 80’s style psychotherapist, a friendly Klingon and a blind navigator with a hair band on his eyes… maybe they’re making a comedy.

          See how that works?

          • Tone

            Now that’s a good point. I guess the reaction to TNG might have been just as negative.

            To be honest, I enjoy TOS, but it is very American and with very hammy acting. The Mudd character is not one that translated well and comes across as a very hammy, over the top rogue bad guy that could be good type with a silly twirly moustache, atypical of that type of bad guy in the American 50s.

            I know this is bad to say, but I really don’t want to see that today. Everything I’m hearing about Discovery is disappointing me, and just sounds like a TOS re-imagining, which in my opinion, is unnecessary.

            As I keep saying, I will watch, and just hope I’m proved wrong.

    • Xandercom

      Nailed it.
      This isn’t star trek, it’s a big budget fan production for 50 something’s.

      • Cabo 5150

        I haven’t reached my 50’s, and I’m still incredibly excited for DSC, the latest, professionally studio produced iteration of Star Trek.

        I wasn’t aware there was a big budget fan production the works also, I thought CBS had put the kibosh on those.

        • Xandercom

          Ha you’re in a small minority mate!
          TOS TOS and more TOS!

          • Cabo 5150

            Evidence for that assertion please.

          • Xandercom

            Everywhere

          • Cabo 5150

            A link if you please.

          • Xandercom
          • Cabo 5150

            So, you’ve posted some links to opinion pieces that align with your own subjective premature thoughts on DSC… riiiiiiight, umm, so? What do any of those articles prove in terms of demographics?

            Here we go with yet more “your group” and “my group” nonsense. Seriously, do you have any idea how immature you come over with childish and belligerent drivel like that?

            Sigh…

          • Xandercom

            Typical generic TOS TOS TOS TOS response.
            Enjoy your STD.

          • Cabo 5150

            Wow, a truly devastating rejoinder there, Xandercom – you really know how to smack a guy down with a clever, witty riposte don’t ‘cha.

            I doff my cap to you.

          • Xandercom

            This blog has been up for three hours. In that time you’ve got what? 5 people reacting positively to this newest piece of bore trek news, including yourself? Wow, sounds like STD has amassed quite a following…
            “lol”.

          • Cabo 5150

            Yes, the positive/negative response ratio of a single thread on Trek Core must certainly signal the imminent demise of DSC. We can credit you with the title of statistical genius now.

          • Xandercom

            You are so completely wrapped up in TOS Fanboy excitement that you wilfully refuse to accept the reality of the situation. There comes a point when a brick wall would have a more well rounded opinion.

          • Cabo 5150

            No, that’s incorrect, you are making making more sweeping assumptions based on your own personal prejudices – as per usual.

            I am excited for a new Star Trek TV show irregardless of my personal favourites. I love the entire Star Trek universe with a passion – from TOS, through TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and the KT.

            I am excited as a Star Trek fan, and remain open minded enough to actually wait for DSC without prejudging it.

          • Xandercom

            Look in the mirror, that’s the target audience.

          • Cabo 5150

            Oooh, so cutting, so biting – how can I continue in the face of such incredible wittiness.

            Pray tell, what should “the target audience” be? After what age should potential viewers be jettisoned?

          • Xandercom

            Stupid is as stupid does.

          • Cabo 5150

            Again, tell us, what should the target audience be in your estimation? What age range should they be aiming DSC at?

          • Xandercom

            Judging by the level of stupid, I’d say people born in the 70’s and before.

          • Cabo 5150

            No, I’m asking you to tell us what age range and demographic producers should be making DSC for in your ideal scenario.

            Grow a spine and just answer the question.

          • Xandercom

            Everyone, rather than a rehash of TOS which only TOS fans have any interest in. This is the basic flaw in STD and Enterprise, and is absolutely guaranteed to sink it. It’s your problem if you refuse to accept that, not mine to drill it in to your otherwise empty mind.

            https://cdn.meme.am/instances/250×250/35506002/not-listening-man-sorry-i-cant-hear-you-i-have-fingers-in-my-ears.jpg

          • Cabo 5150

            So, based on the fact DSC is set in a pre-TOS era, and has a couple of minor characters most of “Joe Public” won’t even recognise – you’re assuming producers are aiming the show at “fat” 50 plus men.

            You are seriously postulating CBS are intentionally attempting to alienate huge suaves of the potential demographic by producing TOS TOS TOS?

            Wow.

          • Xandercom

            Correct.

          • Cabo 5150

            Yep, as you say “idiocy” is rife in this thread – but I think you may be a bit misguided as to the source of it though.

            Perhaps you should take the advice you so graciously offered to me and look in the mirror for confirmation.

          • Xandercom

            TOS TOS TOS

          • Cabo 5150

            Yep, as you say “idiocy” is rife in this thread – but I think you may be a bit misguided as to the source of it though.

            Perhaps you should take the advice you so graciously offered to me and look in the mirror for confirmation.

          • Xandercom
          • Cabo 5150

            Oooo, lookee, a video link – how exciting.

          • Xandercom

            Would you like me to also draw you a diagram?

          • Cabo 5150

            Not if they’re as vile and vulgar as many of your posts.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Not as vile as that beard he’s trying to pull off. 😉

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            So dude, fess up now — that is you, right?

            And given that this is you, please justify your babyish beard, Dustin?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle
          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            The main thing I learned from that video is that 17 year old boys really can’t pull off a beard.

            LOL

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Incredible news flash…NOT

            Like we didn’t all already see this a month ago. LOL

          • Fctiger

            You’re an idiot but yeah this video does speak to how shitty the Discovery ship is. I still can’t believe someone thought that piece of shit is something you should put on a multi-million dollar show. Its just SO bad.Get the people who made Voyager and Enterprise E to make the ship. Not that ugly clunky thing.

            And I have subscribed to Dustin. Preach man preach!

          • Xandercom
          • Cabo 5150

            Oooo, lot’s and lot’s of intawebs video links with “DOOMED” written in BIG RED LETTERS.

            DSC is done for then, peoples on YouTube says it is I tells ya.

          • Xandercom

            Of course you’ll rubbish anyone else’s perception, your a TOS fanatic who cant see the reality of what is happening. You’re gleefully watching with gay abandon as the nails are being hammered in to the coffin. Wake up.

          • Cabo 5150

            No, I’m going to wait and see the actual show before I make any judgment calls. I don’t allow subjective opinion that merely aligns with my own to bolster my confirmation bias.

            I think you’ll find it’s you who’s “rubbishing others perceptions” – and have been incredibly loathsome about it.

            It’s impossible to have a civil debate with you before you start throwing out crass ageist commentary (you have previous form), and accusations of stupidity and idiocy because others disagree with you.

            If others treat you with reciprocal disdain you deserve every word of it IMO.

          • Xandercom

            Cool.
            Would you like to paint your house pink with yellow spots? You can’t say no without letting me paint it first..

          • Cabo 5150

            What on Earth are you blithering on about now?

            Get back to me if you want to have a cordial debate about the subject matter at hand, I’m getting quite bored of your tangential nonsense to be honest.

          • Xandercom

            Ha! Chance would be a fine thing, you blithering TOS fanatic.
            You lot will throw your money at anything!

          • Cabo 5150

            Once again, I’m a Star Trek fanatic as a whole – from TOS though to the KT. Wake up and actually read my statements before you jump in with both boots.

            How can we have a civil debate when you continually elect to demarcate illusionary “us and them” camps and make statements about “pink houses” and so forth.

            I’m not an enemy waiting to attack you from the opposing trenches you know. You are unbelievably aggressive and combative.

            Have you had a few too many today, or taken a substance? Is that it?
            Serious question.

          • Xandercom

            Star Wreck STD

          • Cabo 5150

            I know, right… those YouTube videos tell us so and align with your subjective viewpoints – no confirmation bias on your part at all. They have such incredible foresight in absentia of a single frame of film being in the public domain.

            The YouTube videos say it… DSC IS DOOMED.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle
          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Here you go, son. Paint this picture tomorrow during study hall.
            http://www.colorbynumberpages.com/home/house5final.jpg

          • It’s amusing how the things you accuse others of being and doing are the exact things that you are doing. You refuse to even consider that Discovery might be a high-quality show that will appeal to a larger audience. You claim to be the arbiter of what is and is not reality. Those whose opinion you disagree with our quickly labeled as fans of the original series (which is a very strange thing to say).

            The only people in this thread who come across as reasonable, logical, and even-handed are those that you are spewing your invectives toward.

            You are the one with your fingers in your ears and your eyes closed, with knee-jerk reactions and replies that say the same thing over and over again.

            You seem to get some sort of joy out of your doom-and-gloom position, which is also very strange.

            My hope is that you are a young lad or lass who has not learned how to behave in groups of people, or how to express an opinion without resorting to name-calling and insults.

          • Ace Stephens

            Is Xandercom new to the internet? For anything that isn’t assembly-line fan-service (hint hint: DSC is not that), there are endless “thinkpiece” articles and ranting YouTubers who shout about how whatever’s coming is “in trouble” and “the absolute worst possible approach they could take” or whatever else. That’s how they get clicks to make money and waste Xandercom’s time, making him nod while thinking he knows something others don’t.

            But he’s just bought into marketing claptrap from the naysaying parties.

            A “piece” on how something is a disaster is far more prone to getting clicks than saying “This will be exciting!” about information many (particularly casual fans, such as in the case of Mudd) won’t even recognize as relevant.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Exactly. Vlad Putin’s sponsored interference in our election is the ultimate extreme example of this internet technique.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Dustin, I’d call you a moron, but that would be insulting most morons on the planet.

          • Steven Carter

            Your an IDIOT, Beyond belief- Millions of people watch/have watched TOS in Syndication/VHS/DVD/Streaming who were born after 1970- the JJ films were TOS Era & Made $$$
            Kirk & Spock are STAR TREK to most people in the General Public how do you maintain this dillusion that the only TOS fans are the ones who watched it in its original Run?

          • Cabo 5150

            Hey Steven, I assume your post was directed at Xandercom, and you clicked on me by mistake?

            At least, I hope so!!!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            That dude if your photo looks like he’s at least in his 40’s.

            W H O O P S ! ! ! :-)) LOL

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I was born in the 70s and I’m excited for this. If my being intrigued by this series and this most recent announcement makes me “stupid,” well then I guess I am. Kinda defeats the purpose of IDIC but these days I’ve discovered that Trek fans like to talk the talk but they sure can’t walk the walk. Too many people set in their ways and far too entitled in what “THEIR” vision of Star Trek should be.

            There are over 700 Star Trek adventures. I would be shocked if two fans enjoy the same episodes and movies for the exact same reasons. And that’s okay. Art is subjective and it plays very well into the idea of IDIC. So why would TPTB listen to the fans? There’s no singular voice. (And if someone mentions Axanar being what “true fans want,” I swear to God…)

            The truth of the matter is and I hate to break it to you but the people born in the 70s aren’t the primary audience of anything produced today. It’s people aged 18-35. They’re the ones that advertising and by extension programming is geared towards. I don’t matter any longer. And I’ve accepted that. Maybe I won’t like what Discovery is. I’ve accepted that too. But right now I’m optimistic that I might enjoy it.

            I sure wish more fans could actually give it a chance before completely condemning it.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Shave that dumb-ass beard off, Dustin.

          • Steven Carter

            Star Trek is Kirk, Spock, Enterprise. The End.

      • RealOutrage

        No, the big moderate budget fan production for 50 somenthings is Star Trek Continues, on YouTube. Which actually keeps to the TOS style.

      • The Chadwick

        Im 33, excited as fuck for Discovery.

    • The Chadwick

      Oh boy, im so sick of people like you. Notice how I didn’t use the word fan.

    • Husnock

      I think you’re confusing Discovery with Enterprise :P.

  • Your Worst Nightmare

    Haters be damned! This is awesome news!

    • Tone

      Trek has been taken over by Katy Perry and Taylor Swift fans… stop the bus, I think it’s time to get off.

      • Your Worst Nightmare

        Okay, bye!

        • Tone

          Kisses

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Have fun stormin’ the castle!

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Usually your posts are interesting and provocative, even if I disagree with them.

        This one makes absolutely no sense whatsoever???

        • Tone

          He said, “haters be damned” The term “Hater” is a word used by millennials/snowflakes, (ie the Taylor Swift generation) used whenever someone does not agree with what someone else thinks or says.

          My comment was to react to being called a hater, simply because I don’t share his/her opinion.

          And the last part of my comment is because if Discovery is going to be aimed at that demographic, then it is probably not for me.

          • whbinder

            1. The phrase Haters has been in popular use long, long before Taylor Swift.

            2. I enjoy that in the same post, you accused someone of being a snowflake – someone easily offended – and then said their use of slang easily offended you.

          • Tone

            I never said I was offended. Just that it’s a bold thing for someone to state that if you don’t like the food, F**k off. Which is what he did.

            But I appreciate the schooling as to the age of modern American slang. Outside of America, most of us have only heard the term “haters gotta hate” etc, when Swift broke in Europe, and became a thing for a while.

            Hate is a strong word to most of us outside of the US, and used sparingly.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Millennials refers to people born in the early 80s. Hardly the Taylor Swift generation.

      • Ace Stephens

        Did you do a poll of them and find that their favorite Trek character was Harry Mudd or something?

      • Robert Anthony

        No one called you a hater. You chose to be offended by a blanket statement directed at no one in particular.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    O U T S T A N D I N G !

  • spooky

    And then…

  • Xandercom

    Great. More TOS fanboy lip service.

    • I don’t get it. You think they’re going to use the Mudd character in a way that limits the audience? Why? Do you really think that the writers, producers, etc. would intentionally limit their audience? They’re not idiots, believe it or not. And who are these TOS fanboys that you mention? It’s possible to like TOS, and also like the rest of Trek. Anyhow, since you’re beyond caring at this point, I shouldn’t put much more effort into this post.

      • Xandercom

        I couldn’t care less about TOS. With this show gradually turning in to a TOS fest it’s pretty much annoying the hell out of anyone who isn’t a fat 50 yearold watching in the dark after the Mrs has gone to bed.

        • Cabo 5150

          Damn, your blatant, ageist, “body shaming” stereotyping is obnoxious and deeply distasteful.

          Personally, I’m really pleased someone as narrow-minded, insular and hateful as you won’t be watching.

          • Xandercom

            I’m not ageist, I simply have no desire to dwell in the nostalgia of you lot, which is pretty much the only thing it has going for it at this point.

          • Cabo 5150

            fat 50 yearold watching in the dark after the Mrs has gone to bed.

            No, of course not, nothing ageist or body image related about that statement at all. No stereotyping going on whatsoever.

          • Xandercom

            Struck a nerve have we?

          • Cabo 5150

            No.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            That’s because he is actually about 17 me thinks. I’m pretty convinced that is him the video, babyish beard and all.

          • Gary Neumann

            So, how old are you anyway?

          • Xandercom

            Born in 82

          • Gary Neumann

            Fantastic. Why so much hate?

          • Xandercom

            I’d have more interest watching a Baywatch prequel.

          • Gary Neumann

            I see. Then why are you fighting everyone over here?

          • Xandercom

            For sport.

          • Gary Neumann

            I disagree with your views on the show, we can talk again when it premieres.
            In the meantime, go ahead. Everyone seems to be way into this flame war.

          • Mark Fry

            because it’s trash trek the next generation. The first being Kirk stuff which was rightly cancelled, as was enterprise. you fools are endorsing another hiatus

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Interesting how you have only 4 comments and 1 vote — brand new on Disqus.

            A suspicious person might wonder if you are Xandercom?

          • Gary Neumann

            Nope.

          • SpaceCadet

            You say only a subset of Trek fans, those that love TOS, are interested in this new show and the vast majority hate it. Then how do you explain the massive popular success of the last 3 movies that are essentially the TOS rebooted? If not for this big screen take on TOS, we probably wouldn’t even be getting any new televised Trek.

            I’m also in my 30’s, ripped, and have a life since you seem to be incorrectly stereotyping people excited about DSC. Just because you’re finding threads of people who feel the same as you doesn’t mean the majority of fans out there feel the same way. Ironically, you remind me of those TOS fans who wouldn’t even give TNG a chance until it became so popular they were pretty much forced to accept it wasn’t going anywhere and fell in line.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            He’s not in his 30’s. I think he’s about 17. Look back at his posts recently, and you will see that he keeps posting that video of that Justin kids rambling hate video on Discovery. I am 90% sure that this dude is in fact the Dustin in the video, since he keeps posting links to it over and over.

          • Fctiger

            Well Beyond actually bombed though. But not badly. But no either way I think most Trek fans are fine with TOS. Fine with most of it to be honest with maybe the exception of Enterprise and even that has seem to gain more popularity since its been cancelled.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            But Dustin,

            “like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target!”

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Hilarious, given Baywatch was a show for your generation.

            W H O O P S !!! :-)) LOL

          • Xandercom

            This blog has been up for three hours. In that time you’ve got what? 5 people reacting positively to this newest piece of bore trek news, including yourself? Wow, sounds like STD has amassed quite a following..

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            And the people who don’t like it also number about 5.

            Whoopdie fracking doo. LOL

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I see, “some of your best friends are over 50,” eh, Dustin?

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          That’s f’ing hilarious, given most of the audience at all of these reboot movies that Hollywood keeps giving us are the 35 and under types. Look in the mirror, dude. It’s your generation that has completely lost creativity, and you generation also represents most of the trolls on the internet.

          GenX’s movie market is also largely responsible for the latter Berman era — that Enterprise and Nemesis crap

      • Ace Stephens

        It’s like some think Mudd is going to be the main character or something rather than that he and Sarek have supporting roles, maybe in just a couple episodes or recurring or similar. Like the producers went, “You know those characters from a few episodes of TOS? This whole show should be entirely about them now!”

        Forget the crews of the ships or whatever.

        According to the reactions of some to this news, this is now Star Trek: Mudd.

        • Tone

          I don’t see where you’re getting this idea from.

          From what I can see and hear, the majority of people seem to think that it is disappointing that this new series needs to try and re-invent/re-imagine TOS. A lot of people were hoping for a new series, based on the theme of Star Trek, and not a re-imagining/re-boot of TOS. It seems that Trek is stuck in a rut of reboots and reimaginings, and most people are ready for something new.

          Thats just the feeling I get. Maybe I’m totally wrong.

          Also Mudd is just a very camp atypical American 50’s style badguy, and a footnote at best, hardly a Khan or other serious TOS protagonist. I’m hopeful that Mudd will not be a recurring character, but who knows right now, it’s strange that they go for the whole press release thing for a character that’s only in 5 mins of one episode.

          • Ace Stephens

            Don’t see where I’m getting what from? They’re at least a few episodes into production so he’s almost certainly not going to be a “main character” overall yet some act like this straw broke the camel’s back.

            As for Wilson being a “big star,” he is a known television actor who was on a show for nine seasons. And, sure, Mudd could be there for “fun and mayhem” or just to get a plot device going or whatever else in a couple episodes (maybe he’s even a “Mudd imposter”). Who knows?

            Regarding “most people,” I don’t think most are notably disappointed but those who are seem to assume an awful lot about the nature of the show due to when it’s set and that it will have a few returning characters. This seems a lot like how any other Trek might be. Maybe a couple returning characters as “fan service” here or there but mostly new crew/s, new characters, new situations, etc. So there’s plenty of new.

            When a TNG character showed up on DS9, was that the end of the world regarding dramatic possibilities? No. And one can say, “But it was moving forward so we had no idea what would happen…” but that could also be the case here. Maybe the Mudd we know was a clone, an alternate dimension version, whatever. Is that likely? No, but they can even use these expectations against us…while new/casual fans might give it a chance anyway.

            So there really is still a lot of potential here and various ways to approach things, particularly if they know how to tell their stories well. Many dislike big elements of Into Darkness…but does that mean that – for the Kelvin timeline – including Khan, issues within Starfleet, Klingons as a relative plot device, transporter innovations, a younger Carol Marcus, references to Space Seed/Wrath of Khan, a Prime Spock cameo, Kelvin Spock “breaking,” attempts at using Augment blood to heal, etc. are inherently bad ideas? Not in my view. It was the haphazard way they were executed in an overblown manner that hurt the perceptions of some. Sure, others may disagree but I think most would find that there are also plenty of Trek ideas of the past that, in a “kneejerk” way, “Don’t sound very good…” that then became beloved characters, episodes, arcs, creatures, etc. because they finessed how they handled them in order to try to do it right.

            The show might be a mess and I’ll be here saying how/why it is in my view if that’s the case. But right now, we’ve got a general idea about some ingredients and know that it’s a form of our “favorite food.”

            So I think the main concern here is not necessarily one’s opinion of the individual ingredients…but whether the chefs know how to cook. Thus far, from the naysayers, I mostly hear people saying “I don’t want to eat a bag of flour!” and “I’ve had cakes I disliked before!” who don’t really know what’s being cooked up.

          • Tone

            I suppose this news of Mudd is very divisive. But I think I will stick to my comedy villain of the season, popping up 2 or 3 times maybe, but I don’t think we will see him being any kind regular character.

            So thats where the actor is from! I have only seen the UK version of The Office, so that’s why I don’t remember seeing him in anything.

            I quite liked seeing Patrick Stewart in DS9, I thought the tension between him and Sisko was an original idea. I actually would have been interested to have seen Picard turn up another time or two. It would have been interesting to watch Sisko try to cope with being under his command…

            But I guess we have gotten used to the torch being handed over when a new Trek starts. It will be interesting to see what Discovery do with that, or if it is what you say, that Mudd could be performing that kind of role.

            I’m looking forward to when Discovery “airs”. As you say, we will all be here saying either “I was wrong” or “I was right”, I like this, I don’t like that. But I think the best part is that we actually get the chance to do that in the first place! It’s great that Trek is coming back to the small screen, arguably where it does best. Some people are happy with just having any Trek on “TV” again, and some worry that if its not done right, it might be the last Trek on “TV” for a very long time.

            The stakes are high this time round though, and I think this is behind a lot of the “black & white” positions many fans are taking, also with a lot of the fandom being unhappy with the JJverse, this also creates more pressure for Discovery to succeed.

            Interesting times in the kitchen indeed. The proof will be in the pudding!

          • Ace Stephens

            I think maybe my use of “recurring” was a misuse on my part. I meant that if he does well this season and the show does too, I could see him returning in season 2 or 3 here and there. Something more like that than that I thought he might be in this season every other episode or something.

            But I guess we have gotten used to the torch being handed over when a new Trek starts. It will be interesting to see what Discovery do with that, or if it is what you say, that Mudd could be performing that kind of role.

            I don’t necessarily mean that he’ll “hand off the torch” (it not being the same actor and all, I’m not sure that’s fitting). We have Mudd and Sarek now. Who knows what else? Fans have speculated that some ENT-related character could appear and be older. And it would seem space anomalies aren’t out of the question – so, at some point, we could get a time-travel story or similar involving someone from a previous (future) series. But maybe someone had an idea like that but it’s best saved for season 2/3 (as with TNG…minus Bones). I don’t know. Sure, as far as potential “future” involvement, Enterprise tried the Temporal Cold War to “continue” things in a sense but here I mean something more direct. I don’t think Mudd/Sarek really are that.

            Unlike the views of many naysayers, I don’t think this is all just pure unimaginative fan service type stuff. I think they chose these characters for a reason. For instance – they wanted an unsavory merchant or they’re doing something at a location mentioned before in the franchise or a big “marketplace” and thought it could be a place that Mudd was or things like that. I highly doubt it was “Let’s do Mudd!” (unless there’s something really overt/important about him previously alluded to that I’ve missed). It was probably “How about this idea…” and then they realized that Mudd was a great fit. And, at that rate, it would seem kind of silly to avoid him just because, “Well, we don’t want to seem like we’re catering to the TOS fans too much, do we?”

            But maybe they don’t know what they’re doing or (if it’s all going wrong, this one seems more likely to me) they’re scrambling so much to sort it out that it will be awful and ham-fisted. (Obviously) I certainly hope not. Although I imagine at least some fans will see it that way regardless of how it’s handled.

            But I think the best part is that we actually get the chance to do that in the first place!

            I completely agree. And I’m glad it’s back on TV, too. I think there’s far more room to explore character and concept there. Film, largely due to runtime (and more general audiences), has to be so big and clear-cut right away with most things that it can often either be limited or confusing regarding these bigger concepts or the idea of contributing to prominent character arcs.

            …some worry that if its not done right, it might be the last Trek on “TV” for a very long time.

            I wouldn’t worry too much. I agree with Berman/Bragga that Enterprise was probably too much too soon to follow Voyager ASAP.

            In the near future, I think the franchise can survive a new television iteration or two (I’d love to see DSC do well enough that, a few seasons in, a new series or something can revisit the later Prime timeline with a few characters we know in supporting roles to something going on…maybe even with one big storyline involving both crossing over? – all pipedreams, I know) and a film every few years pretty well. Particularly given that now streaming allows for people to watch whenever they want. So that opens it up for new fans to join in, old fans to lapse a bit but then hurriedly catch up once they “catch the bug” again, etc.

            Assuming budgets and elements of the IP and all this are fairly well-managed, I think DSC has a pretty high potential to make a go of it. Now, if it’s the absolute nightmare for the franchise like some of the more vocal naysayers seem to fear…I mean, that will be awful but I have a hard time expecting it will be that bad.

            Then again, I’ve gone into some of the movies pretty excited before and left going “…Eeeugh.

  • Bethany Clarke

    ugh there is like nothing to look forward to in discovery. its just a rehash of a series i didn’t like in the first place and don’t pay to watch in the new movies. why cant someone write something original for a change. i hate this with a passion.

  • Vger64

    Well I for one am looking very much forward to watching the show. They are going all out it appears. The Cast is Amazing!

  • joaquin_ondamoon

    Meh, not a Wilson fan, nor do I need to revisit Harry Mudd. I’m still cautiously optimistic since I like the casting so far. It all comes down to the story – this thing needs to hit the ground running. It can’t wait until S2-S3 to be good. I’m hoping for DS9-level goodness, but that’s probably being TOO optimistic, lol.

  • Shakes’ likes da Dog’s Mess!

    He’s 15 years older than Carmel was. Isn’t this meant to be a prequel.

    The more I hear about this the more it sounds like a re-imagining. That would leave me…..frustrated.

  • Fiery Little One

    … This should be interesting…

  • RealOutrage

    OK that’s it. Discovery is going to be crap. I’ve tried to keep an open mind, but every news item is worse than the previous. Enough’s enough.

  • Newdivide1701

    Are you sure it’s not Leo Walsh?

  • Newdivide1701

    Look, folks. Even today we are still learning things from our own history that we once thought we knew.

    After all there were 12 other Constitution class starships and god knows how many other freighters, cruisers and starships within the United Earth fleet — let alone the Federation — where things happened that shaped the history of the Federation INCLUDING Axanar.

    If we have familiar faces, then we have familiar faces like that happened on EVERY other Trek after TOS with Bones, Spock and Scotty appearing on TNG, Thomas Riker appearing on DS9, Sulu — rather CAPTAIN Sulu — on Voyager with Riker, Troi and Barkley.

    But please let’s not get into Riker and Troi being on Star Trek: Enterprise.

    If they — say invite Bruce Greenwood back to reprise his role as Captain Christopher Pike, he’s another familiar face from Trek that says we are one big happy fleet. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/746a547422fde83bc1a94f4514e90fd355de5b2569a0af73f0e96b0946334561.jpg

    • Xandercom

      Yeah, but who cares about any of that other than TOS superfans?

  • robjoh

    Not believing this till they post it any other day than today as it’s still April 1st!
    And of course they’ll be there,no matter what anyone says or stories get pulled,lol! Probably ONE of the reasons it got delayed,till after CC,lol! Had to mention that here since the other thread was closed,for some reason.

  • M33

    4/1 Joke!!

    Must be!!

  • October_1985

    So many cynicism among these Trek “fans” these days.
    So many fans that talk about defending “what Star Trek is really about” whilst behaving themselves with the exact opposite philosophy.

    • Mark Fry

      We won’t take car crash TV as star trek, no matter how much it bothers you.

      • October_1985

        And I won’t take your utter cynicism and negativity just for the sake of it as defending Star Trek values and being a “truer” fan, no matter how much it bothers you.

        The thing is, you don’t know yet that is “car crash TV” (whatever that is), but you are going out of your way to be negative before having watched a minute of footage or heard a single word of the script. So much for Star Trek fans optimistic view of the future

  • pittrek

    I never heard about this guy (like all of the other actors except the captain) but I think it’s a horrible to idea to have Mudd on the show. Please STOP “RE-IMAGINING” EXISTING THINGS.

    • Tone

      Be careful, there are many here that might claw your eyes out for not loving every breathing moment of this series…

  • Locutus

    While I don’t have a huge desire to see Mudd again, it could be a case of inspired casting. I am surprised by the vitriol of this thread for what is sure to be a tertiary character!

  • I adore most of TOS … but Harry Mudd is not one of the things I adore. I’m not sure why so many fans saw him as a lovable rogue; I saw him as a nasty, self-absorbed jerk.

    I think maybe it was the strength and pizazz of Roger Carmel’s performance that drew people in; I hope that Mr. Wilson can make the character as palatable as Mr. Carmel did.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      “I saw him as a nasty, self-absorbed jerk.”

      Which is exactly how Captain Kirk saw him. Kirk wasn’t fooled for one second.

      I don’t think people admire him as much as you are suggesting? But were people entertained by him, sure. Hell, this worst president in history right now is still entertaining to watch, even though he’s an evil, lying moron.

      • I’ve seen the phrase “lovable rogue” used to describe Harry Mudd over and over again, so I think some people do find him more than merely entertaining; they actually like him. But then, some people seem to like the president you mentioned, even though I have trouble wrapping my mind around that, too…

        And it’s hard to go wrong by agreeing with James T. Kirk. 😉

  • Zarm

    I wish this wasn’t a joke. It’s the one thing that might overcome my major reservations about Discovery.

    • Fctiger

      Uh not a joke. This was announced a day ago. Its real.

      • Zarm

        Some people get an early start. But… I don’t see a retraction yet, so… for real?

  • Fctiger

    Boooooooooorrrrrrrriiiing!

    Hated Mudd on TOS and now dragging him out for this is making this feel more like unneeded TOS nostalgia. Trying to think positive on the show but this is relaying my fears.

  • Xandercom

    This is essentially the kind of audience Discovery is being aimed at, and why 90% of us want nothing to do with this kind of junk in any way, shape or form. You’ve killed trek, again.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA34za7zakw

    • Mark Fry

      haha these are the writers of star trek discovery coming up with new ideas

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLJfau0FipA

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Are you Dustin’s (Xandercom’s) high school buddy? You do look about 17. 😉

        PS: Interesting how you have only 4 comments and 1 vote — you are brand new on Disqus as of today. Hmm! A suspicious person might wonder if you are Xandercom/Dustin? Pretty convenient how you all of a sudden show up and add videos just like he does, and completely reinforce his posts both here and below, isn’t it?

        • Xandercom

          Sounds like it’s a Scottish river?
          I’m in Brighton, about 500 miles away and in a different country if it is indeed a river tup’ north.
          This is fun though, please do continue.

        • Xandercom

          Not a bad guess if I do say so myself! 456 miles away, about a 7 hour drive. I’m fast approaching my 35th birthday by the way. Looking a bit silly there mate.

          What else you got?
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7cabb57431a03f18adae667bbf97607a59bfa87f7ed7113f399f1d81cb739a81.jpg

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well you got to admit, it’s odd the way he just sets up an account, he agrees with you, he posts videos like you. and he is from the UK apparently as well?

            BTW, who get’s up at 6 AM on a Sunday morning in the UK. I love going to the UK, but everybody goes to pubs on Saturday and sleeps in on Sundays is my experience.? LOL

          • Xandercom

            Not really, with 26,000 followers getting updates with each post. I’m currently working with a client in Kolkata who’s well in to the second half of their working day right now.
            You would make a pretty crappy Sherlock Holmes you know?

            “LOL”

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yea, but it’s fun messing with you, dude! Most people are so tame here.

            Peace! Have a great day out there!

          • Xandercom

            You seem like a blithering idiot to be fair. Jumps to the wrong conclusions, demands evidence to refute your ill concocted delusions, then runs off like a school girl punched in the tit when you’ve been completely disarmed of your stupid and got nought left.
            You’ll no doubt do exactly the same when STD drops like a lead balloon. Bye!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Exactly the response I expected

            A W E S O M E ! ! !

            I love a predictable troll. Have a great day!

          • Xandercom

            Excellent!
            On the assumption that you can predict my replies, you’ll surely have no need to troll me with an anonymous profile in future and weave me in to the tinfoil hat delusions you apparently create for yourself with ease.
            Have you considered writing a book on your condition? With your tenacious and brilliant gifts in predeterminism you will surely make a mint knowing what to write before your readers have bought your book!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle
          • Xandercom

            Yeah we all live in monochrome over here. Can be a pain when colour grading content for production.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle
          • Xandercom

            There’s a gay bar next door, plenty of real life queens there.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            How convenient for you.

          • Xandercom

            Exactly. I don’t have to pay to get in either.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Hey Dustin,

      This has got to be the worst beard I have ever seen. You need to wait until you are several years out of high school before wearing a beard. TOS KIingons fake beards looked better than yours — that is how lame you look:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWEsa519oAA

      • Xandercom

        Who the fuck is Dustin? I’m Xander Hugh. Google me.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Where do you know Mark Fry from? He “conveniently” sets up a Disqus account today and then puts in post and video below that reinforces you. Very suspicious!

          • Xandercom

            I once had a landlord called Mark Fry, about 2005. Who’s Dustin?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            So this Mark Fry below looks to have created a Disqus account this evening just to reinforce your post. Interesting.

            Dustin is the dude in your Discovery is Doomed Video…don’t you even watch the videos you link? “Bad Beard” Dustin only name drops himself about 10 times in that video. Pay attention to your own links!

          • Xandercom

            So I’m not Dustin, but am now Mark Fry?
            Aside from the 21k subs to my youtube channel, and a further 6k on facebook, what else could be causing you to connect the dots to the wrong numbers? What made you think I was this Dustin?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            How about the fact I did Google you as you suggest, and you live in the UK. And now I notice Mark Fry’s video below is of the River Ayr in the UK.

            A lot of “coincidences” here.

          • Xandercom

            You’re confusing Scotland with England. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7cabb57431a03f18adae667bbf97607a59bfa87f7ed7113f399f1d81cb739a81.jpg

            Not a bad guess if I do say so myself! 456 miles away, about a 7 hour drive. I’m fast approaching my 35th birthday by the way. Looking a bit silly there mate.

            What else you got?

  • RealOutrage

    Reading the discussions below, it’s simple. If Discovery takes place 10 years before Kirk, then how does Rainn Wilson turn into the Roger C. Carmel we meet in TOS? See how that works? Especially considering every Star Trek episode ever made is now on Netflix. It’s stupid. I’m not a nay-saying guy but DSC looks/sounds like crap.

  • Pedro Ferreira

    Seriously why? I don’t want to see a Harry Mudd origin story!

  • Steven Carter

    You people are a bunch of pissy morons, seriously, Grow up.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Seriously dude, that beard? What were you thinking?

  • NikolaiG

    It’s an April Fools thing ya’ll even though it was posted a little earlyish.

  • GoingMad

    Why not a new time era with original characters instead? Please? What did old fans do to deserve having something they love destroyed?