It’s been a long road, getting from November 2015 to this week’s first reveal of live-action footage from Star Trek: Discovery – and now that we’ve finally gotten a look at the show, it’s time to break down what we saw and highlight some of the details that you may have missed!

We’ve got over 100 screencaps of the trailer up in our Discovery gallery, and below we’ve picked out some of the most interesting and intriguing moments from the short amount of footage released by CBS.

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The crew and allies of the USS Shenzhou:

First officer Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green).
A young Michael Burnham, studying under Sarek, on Vulcan (?).
Captain Philippa Georgiou. (Michelle Yeoh)
Ensign Connor. (Sam Vartholomeos)
Lieutenant Saru, “biologically purposed… to sense the coming of death.” (Doug Jones)
Two alien members of the Shenzhou crew (blue alien played by Jimmy Chimarios).
A uniformed crewmember – either robotic in nature, or wearing an advanced helmet.
Federation Ambassador Sarek. (James Frain)

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The starship USS Shenzou itself:

Capable of atmospheric flight, similar to the NX-01 and USS Franklin.
Registry number: NCC-1227.
The Shenzhou at high warp (bottom); this view is quite similar to the NX-01’s profile (top).
A corridor inside the ship’s primary hull.
The Shenzhou’s bridge (top), reminiscent of the USS Kelvin’s bridge (bottom) from the 2009 ‘Trek’ film.
The Shenzhou’s bridge appears to be located on the underside of the primary hull.

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The state of Starfleet uniforms and technology:

Command in gold/blue; sciences in silver/blue; operations in copper/blue.
Rank signified by notation on the uniform insignia.
A version of the well-known Starfleet Command logo appears on multiple technologies.
Burnham in a fully-functional thruster suit, off to check out the Klingon vessel.
Burnham in some kind of medical or stasis chamber.
The Shenzhou’s transporter includes a digital ‘grid’ effect in dematerialization.
Flip communicators are present and accounted for.
The Shenzhou’s viewescreen is a true window and includes holographic capabilities – spotting the Klingon ship.
A look at the Shenzhou’s tactical display…
…and a sensor display swarming with Klingon warp signatures.
Sarek appears to Burnham via hologram.

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The Klingons – and yes, they are Klingons – also take their place as the series’ adversaries:

Klingon leader T’Kuvma. (Chris Obi)
Other Klingons in T’Kuvma’s circle.
An ancient Klingon sarcophagus floats through the ship.
A fierce, armored warrior – perhaps from inside that sarcophagus.
Burnham faces the warrior on the hull of the Klingon vessel.
The Klingons scream to warn Sto-vo-kor that a warrior is on the way.

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An away mission to a desert world:

Georgiou and Burnham trudge through the desert to a beam-out point.
The wild skyline of the desolate planet.
An alien resident of the desert world.
Georgiou calls for beam-out.

Surprisingly, we haven’t yet seen any sign of the actual USS Discovery starship yet, nor cast members Jason Isaacs, Anthony Rapp, or any of the other crew from that vessel.

That could simply be due to the filming timeline – meaning that there’s no meaningful footage yet available for that area of the story – or that the Discovery side of things is a major plot point that CBS isn’t yet ready to share.

Keep coming back to TrekCore as we continue to follow Star Trek: Discovery news as it breaks… and let us know your thoughts — or point out anything we missed! — in the comments below!

  • dixonium

    I’m looking forward to discovering this new expanse of the final frontier.

  • Phil Gerard Rizzo

    I noticed that some of the Klingons look like Krall from Star Trek Beyond

    • Ashley Williams

      I had the same thought.

  • mr joyce

    this could go either way, but im hoping it turns out to be really good. the visuals look like they are on point

    • NikolaiG

      Visuals don’t fit in at ALL with the era they are supposed to reflect.

      • mr joyce

        this show is from an era in trek minimally covered on screen, in an episode of TOS made in the 1960s, so we cannot make assumptions of how it will look.

      • MichaelMeir-Wright

        Because if they did, the naysayers would complain that it looks primitive. They simply want to complain for the sake of it, probably because Alex Kurtzman is peripherally involved.

        Said naysayers also are ignoring the fact that Enterprise’s aesthetic was similarly more advanced than TOS.

        • archer923

          ENT actually split the difference. The exclusion being the NX-01 outer design itself. Which was the main complaint. Since it ripped off the Akira class ship. With discovery. Except with a few things here and there. Like the space suit and the communicators. It’s all movie universe designs. Nothing looks like a ENT/TOS extrapolation. At best, they got rid of the appleprise bridge complaint.

  • Thomas W.

    They are not necessarily “the” klingons but some sort of klingons. We have seen many different versions of klingons in the past 50 years.

    • Ashley Williams

      We’ve seen Klingons (TMP+) and partially augmented Klingons (TOS, PART of Enterprise). That’s it.

      • Andy Hamric

        I would not say that Klingons in TMP+ are all the same. Klingons on TMP looked different from SFS and TUC. Then we have TNG-DS9 Klingons, Kelvin Timeline Klingons, etc.

        • We’ve also seen humans from various races, and that wasn’t poor adherence to continuity! Infinite Diversity in Infinite Klingons!

  • FSPOK

    I liked it. And perhaps, we didn’t see yet the real humanoide klingons in this série…those in the trailer maybe mutants or eugenics and the warriors of Molor….see the primitive B’athlet over the sarcofagus…..

  • pittrek

    I absolutely hate the look of the Klingons, and the robot dude. I hate the uniforms, are they planning to go jogging? I hate the lack of light on the Shenzou, the wonderful even lighting on the previous bridges was just perfect.And it looked real, this looks “dramatic”. The viewscreens and panels would be acceptable, if this was the 25th century, but is absolutely wrong for a Cage-era starship. Full body holograms? That’s a bad joke. Shouldn’t he also say “Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you’re my only help”?

    The good things:
    – the alien guy on the second to last photo – he looks great. Don’t know if he’s CG or a mask/puppet, but it looks great.
    – the sky looks fake, but nice.
    – bridge below the hull? Great idea, finally a change I like.
    – the space thruster suit looks neat

    • Cabo 5150

      Reference the lighting, I always found the visual aesthetic for the majority of Berman era Trek beyond dull from TNG Season 3 onward. Over-bright, and horribly washed out.

      It certainly looks better in HD, but that uninspired, uniform, “bright everywhere”, “soap opera” lighting look definitely persists.

      You could argue lower lighting and bright panels might work to focus the attention of a given crew member, and it’s not as if it’s so dark you can’t see where you’re treading – not at all.

      Most importantly, it looks gorgeous on screen, and given the choice between the humdrum, bland, washed out TNG style or the beautiful, eye catching, cinematic lighting on display in the DSC trailer – I’d certainly choose the latter without reservation.

      Edited to add: I thought the ENT-D bridge looked amazing in Generations. It just goes to show how a set can be immeasurably improved by skillful/artistic lighting.

      • pittrek

        I don’t agree. I always prefer reality over “cinematic look” and I just hate the modern trend where I have to play with the brightness to actually see what’s going on. And in reality you need even lighting on your workplace.
        In other words, whenever I see any “moody” lighting it works on me just like CGI – it always takes me out of the story and I suddenly realize I am watching a movie.

        • Cabo 5150

          Serious reply, if you’re having to adjust contrast/brightness on your panel/s for different shows/movies, then I would suspect you haven’t calibrated your screen properly.

          If you have, then you’re seeing what the director/cinematographer wants you to see. Short of extremes like Alien vs Predator: Requiem, I rarely feel content is “too dark”.

          I wonder what Blade Runner would’ve looked like under the diktats of Rick Berman!!!

        • TIG1701

          I have to agree, I get what people are saying the lower dark look is more movie like but its not realistic. Thats why I always laughed watching CSI, everything look like you needed an extra light in a room. They are CSI people brightness is actually a plus in forensic work. And I imagine if you are working on a Starship you want to see everything around you and not squint to push buttons.

    • Bifash

      I actually like the outfits – very 1950s-ish. Reminds me of Forbidden Planet and space films of that ilk ( 10 years before TOS, so that would make sense. Take away the flashy lighting and production values, and plonk one of those uniforms on a 1960s TOS ensign, and it’d look right ( if more dress-uniform-like ).

      • Cabo 5150

        Forbidden Planet remains one of my all time favourite movies. It still resonates beautifully as a contemporary commentary on the human ego, and the FX are just terrific – even by today’s standards.

        Add in those wonderful “electronic tonalities” and a crop of memorable characters and you’ve cooked up a classic Sci-Fi film!

        And, of course, FP is widely regarded as Star Trek’s “Grandfather”.

    • TIG1701

      Actually I like the robot dude. But others are saying it could just be a human with some kind of advance helmet on so you be OK with it.

      I don’t disagree with your other points. Yeah the show looks so advance they might as well just put it in the 25th century. Its obvious they want to go really advance anyway they should’ve let them. But its all very cool looking to me. They never had full body holograms in Star Trek before? I swore I seen it a few times.

  • I know they’ve said that this series is in the Prime timeline but I think it’s designed to fit in the aesthetic of the Prime timeline from the JJ Abrams films.

    I also suspect that the next Trek film will revert back to Prime timeline so that there can be much more of a shared universe between the TV series and the films.

    I know they are owned by separate entities but it would serve to benefit both companies in the long run.

    • Your Worst Nightmare

      I’d say its more designed to fit a modern aesthetic, as every Trek series has done since 1966. Are there elements of the Kelvin films? Sure. I don’t see a problem with that.

    • Bifash

      God, I would love to see Karl Urban guest star as ( a decade younger ) Dr McCoy in this.

  • Although we didn’t see Discovery in the trailer – you can zoom in to see the ship on the series poster. Heh. Some lighting on the underside of the ship.

  • The robot/helmet says USS Shenzhou on the side of it too.

    Also noted from the view screen – the Shenzhou has a complement of 200 Photon Torpedoes.

  • Those uniforms look good, but they don’t look 2255. Same for the bridge. They would make a lot more sense if this was set in 2417.

    I hope there’s some really good reason why this story could only have been told set in 2255, rather than 2417.

    • NikolaiG

      Exactly. If they didn’t want to look like the TOS era, then why set the show in the TOS era. In the original timeline Kirk took command of NCC-1701 when it was 20 years old. So NCC-1701 with its very different look and brightly colored interior was in service at the same time as this ship? It doesn’t make any sense.

      • Thomas W.

        Good point. But maybe the trailer sets us on the wrong track (trek).

        On the other hand: the U.S.S. Kelvin had a typical TOS design (hull) but the bridge was way to modern for the TOS era. Nevertheless the Kelvin timeline (before the Kelvin met the Narada) is part of the canon.

        There is no chance to create a contemporary (21st century) star ship design for a prequel without violating the canon. That’s why prequels don’t work. You may use modern CGI with dynamic movements, like Star Wars did. But you can’t completely renew the design and tell the fans it’s the same era.

        • Zarm

          Though to be fair, the spacesuit comes close. It retains the design echoes of the Tholian Web spacesuits- the basic proportions, glowing scrollwork approximating the multi-colored paneling, and even the thruster-suit function from TMP. Yet it creates an updated technology respecting those basics from TOS. It’s a master-class in how to do this (if one feels that simply utilizing the TOS looks and updating them with greater close-up details, as was done in In A Mirror Darkly, isn’t an option).

          IF everything else had received the same level of thought and careful balance between tribute and update, we’d be in great shape. But it feels like someone spent months thinking through the thruster suit, and for the bridge/uniforms/viewscreen/corridors/Klingons, just said ‘Pop in a DVD of 2009/Into Darkness and use whatever they did.’ It feels very odd to see such attention to detail alongside such lazy, effortless porting-over.

      • I think the original 1701 looks quite a bit more advanced than the ships we’ve seen so far from Discovery. I guess it just depends on how you define the aesthetics of the “future.” The Shenzou has many design cues from the NX-01, which never looked more advanced to me than the 1701. The 1701 was so smooth and felt much more like the perfection of all of these ships that came before. It was probably on an entirely different evolutionary path than most of these other ships. Competing design teams and such.

        Of course the effects and lighting and gadgets aren’t going to just be copied over from TOS. This isn’t a fan production.

        • Wildcat30

          Agreed. The 1701 is like when the iPhone was introduced; the NX-01 and other older ships are Blackberry. The 1701 is smoother, more powerful and simpler.

    • Bifash

      I think part of the problem of going too far ahead in the future, is that things technological advancements ( in-universe ) may become instinguishable from magic.
      We already had issues following TNG where things that ought to be intriguing ( space flight, transportation, holodeck, etc. ), but had already become pedestrian.
      One could argue that was bad writing in some respects.

      Fitting it into the Prime Universe give this new series some parameters, which can ironically feed into stronger, more imaginative storytelling.

      • TIG1701

        In the JJ verse Khan transported from Earth to Klingon territory with a personal transporter. They then brought Kirk back to life using magic blood. I think we already got some magical advancements for a movie that took place 100 years before TNG.

      • Those are all window-dressing to the stories though.

        Compare Broken Bow to Nemesis: the only real technological innovation throughout that whole time is the holodeck. Transporters become safer; shields and phase pistols become stronger; warp becomes faster; scanners and communicators become smaller and longer-range – but they’re all still the same concept.

        You could easily have set DS9 in 2600 – Jennifer could have died in some other war. There’s nothing stopping you having a war with the Klingons in 2417.

        I suppose the only story you couldn’t tell in 2417 would be humans learning about Klingon culture for the first time. But then you can’t really tell that in 2255 either, because to Kirk they’re still savages. And if you go for 2317, you either break continuity, or you don’t get to design new uniforms.

        I think there are fewest constraints and trade-offs if the story’s set after everything else.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      I find it amazing the uniforms look more dull than the ones on Enterprise.

  • Tone

    It looks an awful lot like JJ Trek. But apart from the Klingons, this trailer shows promise.

  • BatesHotel

    Looks intriguing, I’m looking forward to it.

  • NikolaiG

    Is this a prank trailer? We are told Discovery takes place in the original timeline. Well, in that timeline the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 is 10 years old at the time of Discovery, as it was 20 years old when Kirk took command. All Federation ships in the TOS era, as we saw through 79 episodes, had a similar aesthetic. Yet the ship descending through the clouds in this trailer looks like something out of TNG! Did these people learn NOTHING from the disaster that was Enterprise??? The look of NX-01 was assailed from the start for looking too TNG-esque (and it all went downhill from there). Why do these people insist on continuing this out of synch look? If they did not want to adopt a look that fits in, why place the show within the lifespan of the original NCC-1701???

    And what’s with all the militaristic stuff? Star Trek has battles, yes, but at its core it is about exploration and at its best is thought provoking. It does not look like we are in for enything like City on the Edge of Forever in this series.

    And there had better not be a war with the Klingons. We learned in Errand of Mercy that the Federation at that point had not been to war with the Klingons. And I hope those aliens are not supposed to be Klingons. Klingons in the TOS era did not look like that. This visual transformation across generations has become part of cannon, as we learned from Worf in the DS9 episode that overlaps The Trouble with Tribbles.

    I was concerned when I heard Berman had departed. Now we see the result of the suits running ramshod over creative. Thumbs down. And I like all the cast members, too. It is such a shame.

    • Kevin Max Cotter

      In other words, what you’re saying is, you want this series to have the look of something that pre-dates a series first produced in 1964. Why not go the full mile? Let’s have it done in 4:3, non-HD, and use cheap, plastic models for special effects.

    • TIG1701

      They are Klingons. Its been said multiple times now they were going to change the look of the aliens on this show. People have to accept this is simply a soft reboot of the franchise. I known this for months already. Nothing in that trailer surprised me, it was going to look advanced as possible.

      And I’m cool with that. I don’t want the old 60s look. TOS is just too outdated looking for younger people to take seriously. That said though it was probably a mistake to set the show in this time period. Its only going to piss people like you off.

      • Locutus

        I agree. And you can’t make everyone happy! They are making good choices.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Agreed. Every “generation” of new Trek movies or series changes the Klingons. Get with the program, people.

      • The River Temarc

        Eh. I’m firmly in the camp that the show needs to have modern production values, but *if* these are modern Klingons (as opposed to offshoots, ancestors, etc.), I do think they’ve overdone the makeover. The Romulan, Borg, and even TMP Klingon makeovers were all recognizably the same species with updated production values; this looks like a completely different species.

        • TIG1701

          I don’t disagree with you that much. The Klingons look like they got a big change and I don’t think for the better personally. But I think people will get use to them once we see them in context, hear them speak etc. But Klingons have always had the biggest change from any species. Even in the shit JJ movie STID they looked a bit different but I actually liked how they looked there. Here something seems off but in STID they still wore the traditional Klingon gear we seen in the other shows and movies. I think thats another thing, they dress too differently but that too may be explained as something special.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Could it be that TOS episodes were flimed using 1960’s production values, based on storytelling and TV acting practices at the time, with over-use of dramatic music, plywood sets and men in nearly all leadership roles.

      I love TOS, but thank God they didn’t actually try to make this look like 10 years before the actual TOS episodes looks and production values.

  • Robert Anthony

    Sadly, I couldn’t find a trailer that would play, but I’m grateful for these screencaps. It looks great and I’m starting to get excited to see the show. Trek has been off TV for too long and at a glance, this looks like a worthy successor to the excellence of Enterprise. YAY!!

  • Enterprise- Z

    Guys, it’s a fucking TV show. Relax. I’m probably a bigger Trekkie than all of you. Change happens. Are Rick Berman, and Brannon Bragga involved? No? Then that already makes it 50% the unicorn we were all praying for. As for the look not being reminiscent of the original series, I agree with the person who said it resembles the Kelvin. I can tolerate that. And as for it being more high tech than the original series… if they didn’t change that, then the show would have no relevance to today.Trek is a projection into the future, not retro sci-fi by its own choice. I hate JJ Abrams on principle but he did get one important thing: Trek needed a visual update. Was his interpretation the best? Eh… 50/50. But I respect the filmmakers from trying save Trek from it’s greatest historical pitfall. Reduncancy.

    • Ashley Williams

      Rick Berman and Brannon Bragga are infinitely more qualified than Jar Jar and his staff. Rick Berman was responsible for TNG-ENT ALL of which kicked serious ass. Brannon Bragga was responsible for Enterprise and First Contact. Sadly he was also responsible for Threshold and the similar TNG episode (Genesis maybe) which did suck, but overall both put out some good Trek. This looks like it belongs in the Jar Jar universe it even fits the 2009 ascetic of looking like a freaking toddler shot it. With that said, I enjoyed 2009, but it was butt ugly. So who knows. I’ll give it a shot. But this could end up being a bigger pile of shit than into darkness which manages to top 5 as the worst star trek movie ever made.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Rick Berman nearly killed Star Trek in the second half of his Trek career, with Voyager, Enterprise, Insurrection and Nemesis.

        “Bragga was responsible for Enterprise”

        LOL — exactly. Nuff said.

        • Montreal_Paul

          Star Trek fans nearly killed Star Trek. Honestly, if it isn’t TOS or TNG… no one is happy. I suggest the whining fans that are so hell bent on complaining dust off their VHS copies and go watch in their mother’s basement. Then they can shut up and let the rest of enjoy Trek 50 years after it first appeared. Geez, you guys are getting worse than Star Wars fans with your griping.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I remember you from Trekmovie years ago.

            You were the guy who insisted over and over for I think perhaps a year that Khan would not be in Star Trek into Darkness, and then you conveniently disappeared from the site once the movie had premiered.

            LOL

          • Tom

            That was Khan?. Couldn’t be because the actor was from England. LOL Montreal Paul was right. Just trying to get the Trekmovie vibe back for you

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            LOL. Great post!!!

          • Montreal_Paul

            I’m still on Trek movie. I never disappeared.

          • Robert Anthony

            I totally agree with you. Stagnation is the opposite of evolution. I love all of the old, and I am ready to (hopefully) love the new. ‘Negative fuckers, barking like dogs, instead of finding something they enjoy, and leaving behind what they think is so utterly ruined. They’re message board bitches with nothing better to do than try to convince other people they’re wrong for liking a changing franchise or hating on people for finding merit in something they don’t like.

          • Eskay

            Your posts on relgion on other sites are extremely negative and vitriolic — no IDIC there for your fellow humans.

            Pot calling the kettle black!

          • Robert Anthony

            You’re entitled to your opinion, and I to mine. I dare you to confront me on something specific to test your theory. Hating religion is not negative. Religion is negative. I respect people’s rights to follow their own paths and hearts in life, but refuse to respect doctrines that cause harm (and they all do). If you found one example of me seeking out someone to attack for their beliefs I might concede to your opinion, but you wouldn’t because I don’t. If you don’t like me talking truth about religion and think it’s negative, that is your view.
            Dragging an off-topic judgement of my opinions on something unrelated to what I spoke here, isn’t going to shame me, or change my opinion about how people bitch about the esthetics of star trek. It doesn’t diminish my opinion or my right to call people on unnecessary negativity about an entertainment franchise. So please… Confront me on something specific that you found vitriolic and see if I don’t treat you respectfully while standing by my own convictions.

          • Eskay

            Actually, I am agnostic, and I don’t pretend to have all the answers on God or religion, and I certinanly acknowledged some of the negative ramifications of organized religion that your correctly bring up. That being said, please excsue me though if I don’t see much of a difference between “religoius zealots” and “belligerant athiests.” And your posts kind of strike be as being in the latter category — no personal offense intended.

            Anyway, I just noticed you were making some big point here that on this issue of Star Trek Discovery, you were complaining about people being negative all the time, yet on your “pet issue” of religion, you allow yourself to be very negative all the time. So you seem to give youself a free-pass on a topic you really care about, but yet you criticize people here who may really care about some of these discussions. That’s textbook hypocracy.

          • Robert Anthony

            Ok… let’s put this into context of “where” I’m making these “negative”, “pet-issue” comments (about an actual threat to the continuation of humanity I might add): on an Atheist-run news commentary blog called Joe My God. I’m not trolling some Happy Faith-Loving website. I’m among like-minded people, commenting on ridiculous articles about people making ass-hat decisions that oppress other people, based on their personal faith in magical thinking. I didn’t bring that here. You did.

            As for my opinion about people constantly shitting on various incarnations of Star Trek… I’d ask you if I addressed my disdain at you or anyone else who was bitching? No. I didn’t. I was agreeing with, and expressing my own feelings to someone who felt similar to how I felt about the negativity. People are quite-free to shit all over Star Trek all they want. I don’t engage them in conversation because I won’t likely change their mind, nor do I feel the need to. I’ve watched television shows, read books and followed artists that fell into decline (according to my personal tastes) much to my disappointment, but if I’m no longer a fan of something, I don’t waste my time bitching about it, especially around people who are still happy and enthusiastic and engaged in it’s continuation. Some people do. I care not one iota, but I do have an opinion on it, and I expressed it. I’m guessing that you took some kind of offense, and felt the need to bring me down a peg by saying I’m negative about other things. I don’t know your motive, but I’m not a hypocrite. The difference between what I say on a fansite devoted to a fictional franchise and a commentary blog about the harm happening in our real world, is vast. That I’m “belligerent” about wrong-doing, apathy and oppression is not something I’ll ever be ashamed of either.

            I’m not offended, nor am I sitting at my keyboard seething at you, incidentally. ‘Just want to address what you brought to the table.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Dude, take a chill pill. LOL

          • Robert Anthony

            Regularly. 🙂

          • TIG1701

            Yeah have to agree with this. People making Rick Berman the devil is childish and idiotic. The man produced over 700 hour of Star Trek, the franchise is as big and global because of him. It doesn’t mean you have to like all of it, but yeah he did way more good than bad. I get tired of these people. Its nauseating.

            And everyone has made shit Trek before. Roddenberry made shit Trek, Abrams made shit Trek. Harve Bennet made shit Trek but just one though, Star Trek 5. And thats because some let Shatner’s ass direct.

            But yeah no one is perfect. Rick Berman did a lot of great things for the franchise. He gets picked on because he made so much of it and in charge of it for so long. I would take him back over the brain trust in charge of JJ verse in a heartbeat. No damn Beastie Boys in his movies or shows. All his shows are some of the most watched on Netflix and Amazon today decades later and what gave Moonves the idea of making Discovery a show for streaming.

          • Bifash

            I actually think TNG produced some of its best work post-Roddenberry’s sad departure. Much of the parameters set by Roddenberry about how humans/ specific characters should act were becoming a bit stale.

          • TIG1701

            Oh no doubt. I’m not some Roddenberry fan boy but I am at least glad his vision gave us Star Trek today. But many people have taken his idea and done much better with it. I think Roddenberry ideas were getting over the top and why TMP was a complete and utter bore. If Berman and Pillar didn’t take over TNG when they did that show probably would’ve been cancelled by fourth season.

            Have you seen Chaos on the Bridge? My guess most people have if they have Netflix but that documentary opened my eyes that Roddenberry was getting too far out there. But he did give us TNG though, it was just better other people handled it like the TOS movies.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well for the record, the first half of Berman’s Trek career, he oversaw two winners with TNG and DS9.

            Voyager and Enterprise, and 2 out of the 3 TNG movies, are mediocre at best. I think he largely “punched his paycheck” later in this Trek career — that’s my opinion, and I think it’s borne out by the lackluster decline in quality and stories from Voyager onward.

            But yea, the dude rescued TNG from GR’s boring start, and he made the best mgmt decision of his life by putting Ron Moore in charge of DS9. So I give the first half of his Trek career a solid B+.

          • CaliburnCY

            Michael Piller was the showrunner of DS9 in Seasons 1 and 2, then he handed over the showrunner role to Ira Steven Behr for Seasons 3 to 7. Ronald D. Moore was a writer/producer for DS9 starting in Season 3 but was never the showrunner.

          • Bifash

            Did not know about chaos on the bridge, but definitely going to check that out, thanks!

          • Bifash

            “Geez, you guys are getting worse than Star Wars fans with your griping.”

            God, TREK and SW fans can be just the worst.

            Part of all the griping that I have seen ( over decades and not just recently ) is a way for a number of these fans to feel superior – to feel that THEY know Trek ( or SW ) better than anyone else, and if the new iteration of something doesn’t include all the elements/plot points THEY want, then it must be garbage.

            I’m not against healthy criticism, but a lot of what I have seen ( before even DSC has come out ) is just plain, childish, b*tching.

          • TIG1701

            You said it bud. I’m critical of Trek like anyone but I’m just damn happy there are people working on it today. I don’t love the Abrams films but I supported them anyway because I know even if I hate them they bring joy to others and all Star Trek should be honored. If they make another one I will support that one too. You don’t have to like all of it but stop acting like the people working on it are evil.

          • Io Jupiter

            Some fans like the taste of crape being shoveled down their throat while other fans will spit it back out. There is no point in trying to belittle someone if they don’t like what you like. That’s why I like Star Trek, it shows that people from different worlds can get along even though they have different likes, that is sometimes better than Trek fans are to each other.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          I think you’re exaggerating. Voyager didn’t kill Star Trek. I mean it survived seven full years.

    • pittrek

      Oh god how I would LOVE involvements from Brannon Braga.

    • Locutus

      I agree with you 100%. The visual updates are a must. If you want an exact homage to The Original Series, there is Star Trek: Continues. In fact, I strongly encourage people to check out that fan series.

      To be relevant to modern day audiences, however, changes are a must. This is what old Trek would have looked like if it was filmed today.

      • Zarm

        One could argue that if visual change is a necessity, then choosing to set it in a period (or universe; the Kelvin timeline is RIGHT THERE) where that visual change makes sense. If they didn’t want the visual baggage that came with the era, they could have chosen literally any other era, post-Enterprise, or post-Generations, or post-Voyager. They had all of time and space to choose from, and they picked proximity to the iconic show. That carries responsibility- assumed intentionally, of their own free will, out of an infinity of choices.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        “This is what old Trek would have looked like if it was filmed today.” What? Generic and dull?

        • Locutus

          Visually speaking, and that is what I am talking about, it does not look generic and dull. It looks more sharp and cinematic than previous Star Trek TV series and boasts better quality special effects. As for storytelling, only time will tell if it can overcome the repetitive and dull storytelling of the late-Berman era.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Cinematic is debatable. Sharp? No way! The visual effects look blurry and suffers from the same awful lens flare that plagued the reboot movies.

          • Locutus

            I have loved almost all the Star Trek series. I did not say “the Berman era was dull.” But the “late”-Berman era, i.e. Voyager, Nemesis, and most of Enterprise did seem plagued with repetitive, safe, boilerplate Star Trek storytelling that sent viewership into a nosedive.

            I really don’t think you can say that, visually, the trailer looks “fuzzier” or worse than the Star Trek special effects we got with DS9 or Enterprise. It is certainly a step up from those productions, not to mention only two minutes worth of footage from an unfinished product.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            “But the “late”-Berman era, i.e. Voyager, Nemesis, and most of Enterprise did seem plagued with repetitive, safe, boilerplate Star Trek storytelling that sent viewership into a nosedive.” The first half of Voyager was fine, the second half was dreadful. Enterprise started off bad but got really good towards the end thankfully.

            “visually, the trailer looks “fuzzier” or worse than the Star Trek special effects we got with DS9 or Enterprise. It is certainly a step up from those productions, not to mention only two minutes worth of footage from an unfinished product.” Nah looks more fake than anything from back in the 90s and I’m willing to bet what we saw in the trailer is representative of the final product. I can’t believe today’s TV can have worse effects than back in the 90s.

            Putting the effects quality to one side the whole style looks flat and dull with the obvious desaturation issues so common in movies and TV today. And seriously who wanted to see more lens flare again?!

          • Locutus

            The lens flares … that we agree on!

            I also agree that Enterprise improved dramatically near the end.

            It doesn’t seem undersaturated to me, except perhaps the desert scenes which clearly use a filter. Perhaps you don’t like the color palette, but overall the saturation and contrast look good to me, better than TNG originally looked (before the HD upgrade).

          • Pedro Ferreira

            TNG was transferred onto video. They have no excuse here with the upgrades in technology.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      “As for the look not being reminiscent of the original series”

      One would hope so, given TOS was produced with 1960’s production values, etc etc.

    • M33

      I think this might be reaction of the vast majority of canon-concerned fans once Discovery is on the air:

      http://img.pandawhale.com/post-38479-Oh-yes-I-hate-this-It-is-revol-kqfe.gif

    • Pedro Ferreira

      But this show looks redundant…

    • Mrs Broccoli

      “Trek needed a visual update.”

      WHY didn’t jj choose ANOTHER (next) crew-time-history? THIS is the problem.

      Original Series is 50 yers old. we would like to remember them in that way, not jj’s way…

  • Bart

    The dark sets and uniforms look very Battlestar Galactica indeed!

  • Gaaron Gilham

    I don’t think that is Saru. This alien has a Commander or Lt. Commander rank. Saru is to be a Lieutenant serving on the Discovery. I’m thinking the Shenzhou will be destroyed early on with most of the crew.

    • It’s been confirmed by CBS production photography released to the press that that’s Saru (Doug Jones).

    • Locutus

      I agree the Shenzhou is DOOMED!

  • Thanks, Trek Core, for the screenshots and the analysis! This is nicely done; you’ve shed a lot of light on what the trailer shows us.

    The contents of the trailer suggest that we’ll get character development and space exploration, and that makes me SO psyched for this show!

  • James

    I think that it looks pretty awesome. Does not look like a prequel though.

  • M33

    Thanks for the breakdown, TrekCore.
    It does confirm my suspicion that this series, at least THIS trailer, is marketed to newer Trek fans who discovered it through the last 3 films.
    The design aesthetic completely matches that of the Kelvin-esque-era spaceships, bridge, and uniform design, which would be appropriate to a ship which is much older and a crew that has been on assignment a longer time.
    So no canon-conflicts there.
    However, what will make or break canon-centric fan support will be the Discovery itself, and the uniforms style. The look of that period was well-established in the pilot episode “The Cage”. Even if Pike’s ships uniforms were newer, it would be likely that the Discovery should have some connection to it, unless the Discovery itself is using older uniforms like the ones shown here.
    If the Discovery is also an “older” ship, then they could circumvent established canon as well, unless the ship was built after 2245, which is when all starships were built with the duotronic technology and design ethos.
    They really are walking on a knife’s edge with all this, and it will be fascinating to see if they can pull off this balancing act.
    Although… somehow I doubt they will be using “lasers” or going to “time-warp factor seven”, much less using a “lithium crystal” to power the warp engines, or looking things up using “memory banks” or “tapes”.
    Will the characters have that early 1960s cadence and vocabulary in their speech like everyone else from the 2250-60s? Probably not.

    • Bifash

      You’ve made some very good points and hit the nail on the head “They really are walking on a knife’s edge with all this, and it will be fascinating to see if they can pull off this balancing act.”
      I like what I am seeing very much and look forward to how it develops. Also, I have to give a shout out to the fact that the wonderful Michelle Yeoh is a Captain of STAR TREK – that is just incredible. It is great imo to see a an asian female with grace and authority and in a position of leadership in Space franchise.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      You are too caught up in the look and the canon points. What will make or break this will be weather it will be great storytelling and acting. I am already confident on the acting (even more confident after seeing this trailer), but the writing is the mystery?

      If it’s a great season long story that builds supsense every week, then the people bitching about canon will be drowned out by the vast majority of fans who will accept it, as well as the new fans it brings in.

      On the other hand, if the show is not so great, then the people bitching about canon are going to have a huge platform from which to complain.

      • M33

        For me, it would be like as if George Washington suddenly showed up in a 1776 film wearing shades and a leather jacket carrying an AR.
        While it might look really cool, and the “storyline” would all be really great as well as the acting, does it really do justice to the spirit of genuine integrity when the producers promise to be presenting the audience with a period piece?

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          You are too caught up in wanting to see something that looks like a TV producers best effort at Star Trek in 1966 – 1969.

          GR himself vastly changed how Trek looked and matured the characters and cut out the sexism and other stuff is his update of Trek in 1979 — JUST 10 YEARS after the last episode, and only 3.5 years supposedly in canon time.

          So how to you defend the vastly different look of TMP then? Or should they have used cardboard sets and shoe polished Klingons in TMP — would you have preferred that? Remember, it was suppose to be only 3.5 years after the last Star Trek episode, but the entire Trek universe looked completely different…fact!

          • M33

            Funny you mention TMP. It is actually my favorite of the film series. (So naturally, I have thought about those points you mention over the years)
            First of all, we never saw the Earth or any of its orbiting facilities in TOS. Those place may have had that “TMP-style” design aesthetic for some time, perhaps for a decade or two since the Enterprise and other Constitution-class vessels were launched (remember that those were the first to be incorporated with the new duotronic technology in the 2240s).
            Also, most of the Federation and Starfleet facilities we saw in TOS were often far-flung outposts, and probably retained the design style of their time, which may have been around the 2240-50s, which would explain why they looked a lot like the design style of the Enterprise. They would likely not see modernization until later on after TOS.
            In fact, what we actually see of “TMP-style” is limited to only three things: the Starfleet transit station, the space-station, the refitted Enterprise and other ancillary crafts. What do we actually know about the rest of Starfleet and Earth design-aesthetic between 2269 and the 2280s (TWOK-era)? Not much really. How far had this style been spread throughout the Federation? We have no idea.

            The Enterprise also was away on its 5 year mission and perhaps sometime between 2266 & 2270, Starfleet began retrofitting its fleet with this more streamline look, different uniforms. and updated technology. It took 2.5 years for them to refit the Enterprise to give it that “TMP” look. Imagine how long it would take the rest of the Federation to get this roll out.
            A good example of this would be the phasing in of the newer uniforms in Generations. Some wore the old style, while others wore the newer versions. Not everything changes all at once, but us viewers get to see the stories where often the full transition has occurred.
            Now, for the Klingons.
            ENT established that not all Klingons were cursed with the “smooth-head”. In fact, they were basically a minority among the billions of Klingons that did have ridges. Why were they dominate in the TOS-era encounters and not thereafter? My best guess is that there was a period between ENT and up through TOS where the “smoothheads” had dominated the Empire and put “their kind” in charge of everything. Between TOS and TMP, there easily could have been an uprising we never heard about that overthrew the “smoothheads” and took control back over the Empire and the military. Again, the scope of information that we get out of TMP is very very limited, and there is so much that can or could have happened in that period. How much of the “universe” is “actually” different from the one established in TOS? We just don’t know.

            You might think this is far-fetched, but is it really any far fetched than what we are being presented with in “Discovery”?
            Ancient Klingons no one ever heard of in the pre-TOS era, which may have led up to the Klingon-Federation brink of war as established in Errand of Mercy?
            When stories can use the existing continuity to create whole new stories that fit within that continuity, it is a brilliant piece of creativity, because it stretches out the world we know into an even bigger, more exciting world.
            I actually really like that the Shenzhou looks like the Kelvin and so does its tech and uniforms BECAUSE it matches pretty well with the canon of the design ethos of the Kelvin-era Starfleet as established in the 2009 film (since that is part of the Prime universe before the Narada’s arrival).
            It works.

            I’ll put it another way. If Mad Men (a show I have barely seen), set in the 60s, was to present itself with a style, mannerism, lingo, technology that was anachronistic to the 1960s, don’t you think folks would be not as fascinated by the show? Do you really think they would let the details roll off the back because “it should be modernized to ‘fit modern tastes'”?
            The details ARE part of the story. It is part of the story as much as character, plot, and setting.
            All are crucial to good storytelling.
            When one sacrifices one for the sake of the other, it often spells disaster.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Sigh. You fall back to the same old stale excuses for canon that I always here. It’s all wishful thinking — like if TOS showed up on earth, they would all of a sudden have Doug Trumbell work on that episode and it would look like TMP earth…SERIOUSLY, man??? That’s absolutely hilarious! :-))

            And Enterprise actually proves out my point, not yours. In TOS, we see Starships that have very smooth designs, but then later in TNG-era series’ the ships get “busier” with a lot more detail. So, with Enterprise, I was actually back then more of a canon dude like you, and I was really excited to see some smooth ship designs that would show a preview heritage to the Constitution Class ship of TOS…instead, we got ships that looked like earlier versions of TNG/Berman-era “busy details” ships, like TOS clean ships design never even happened?

            And the reason they had that Enterprise episode about the Klingons written was because weak-minded fans kept bitching about “why did the Klingons change,” when the truth was that they just did quick and cheap makeup jobs on a 60’s TV series, and then Rodenberry finally had the budget to make them true aliens in TMP — THAT IS THE REAL REASON WHY THEIR APPEARANCE CHANGED. So the writers on Enteprise just wrote an episode to appease all of the canon whiners.

            So please don’t use Enterprise in this discussion, as Enterprise, in addition to TMP, prove out my view on this topic.

          • M33

            I think I may miscommunicated somewhere because I think the point I was making was lost.
            I actually like ENT… well, actually I like all the series, and movies, and so far, even Discovery.
            But to be fair, ENT was 100 years worth of changes, a design bridge between the design and technology we have today and the styles of the 2260s. I think it works really well.
            And ENT wasn’t the only one to address the difference in Klingons.
            DS9 had a great gag for it when they time-travelled to Kirk’s time:
            “We do not discuss it with outsiders.”
            My point was, they address it, acknowledge the canon of it, and leave the audience with a mysterious answer.
            Brilliant bit of writing.

            But if you want to leave out ENT, fine. We can leave out DS9, too, or any other shows and only refer to TOS and TMP.
            Even if you remove my ENT reference about the Klingons, the theory still holds.

            The rest of the points I made was to answer this question of yours to me:

            “Remember, it was suppose to be only 3.5 years after the last Star Trek
            episode, but the entire Trek universe looked completely
            different…PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT IN TERMS OF CANON???”

            I believe that my point was made that not the “entire” Trek universe was changed, only what we could actually see. Our minds inferred that the same changes were made everywhere else. This may not be the case.
            And in fact, it seems to me that Discovery is banking on the very same concept.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            So you completely ignore changes in production values over time as reasons for the future “looking different” as new Star Trek series/movies are produced in decade after decade, and look for canon to explain all of those differences?

            May God bless you man if this is actually your view, because it essentially describes a form of religious belief. 😉

          • M33

            I apologize. I don’t think I understand the point you are making here.
            If I understand correctly, you are saying that pretty much any episode that goes back in time to a specific era produced in a different decade, that the producers should have wholly revised the way the prior shows’ settings looked?
            If so, why did they not do so with DS9’s Trials and Tribble-ations? Or ENT’s In A Mirror Darkly? Or Voyager’s Flashback?
            Those would have been perfect opportunities for revisionist history!

            For me, everything we have seen in all the Star Trek’s have established “a world”, with a vast a complex history covering everything. All these layers from all these shows and movies overlap.
            In reality, we ourselves are surrounded by countless things and structures created in various eras with differing design styles. The same would be true for the fictional world of Star Trek as well. That was my point about how it could be possible storytelling-wise to have TMP-designs preexist retroactively in the TOS-era.
            Just look at the Shenzhou. A 2009-film Kelvin-inspired look retroactively inserted into the Prime Timeline’s 2260s.
            Again, this is the beauty of a long and complex tapestry of storytelling.

            Everyone knows production values change with time, of course.
            But when the producers of the many series have multiple times established “the look” of that era and gone out of its way to honor “the look”, it was to establish in the “story” of Star Trek that what we saw of TOS is what that “period” of Star Trek looks like (at least the parts we can see of it).
            You may disagree, and that’s fine. I respect all opinions.

            Actually, there was a very interesting graphic novel that came out a while back where it covered the transition between TOS and TMP. I don’t remember the name of it, but it was pretty good.

          • TIG1701

            I said that in another thread that all the shows before from TNG to Enterprise have always honored what TOS looked like, pain painstakingly so. They never changed any of it to fit a new vision so even though TOS has been off forever, it has been kept alive thanks to all those shows like DS9 and Enterprise.

            This is basically just a reboot erasing TOS for the most part. I don’t personally care because TOS as a show does nothing for me but II can imagine it pisses off so many of the old school Trekkies.

            This is not a ‘transition’ its basically the JJ verse in the prime timeline.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            No, not at all. Enterprise completely botched an attempt to be the lead-in show to TOS. Enterprise looks much more like a prequel to TNG, in terms of the uniforms, ship designs, politics, storylines, etc. It’s like TOS never existed.

            In TOS, we see Starships that have very smooth designs, but then later in TNG-era series’ the ships get “busier” with a lot more detail. So, with Enterprise, I was actually back then more of a canon-centric dude like you, and I was really excited to see some smooth ship designs that would show a preview heritage to the Constitution Class ship of TOS…instead, we got ships that looked like earlier versions of TNG/Berman-era “busy details” ships, like TOS clean ships design never even happened?

            And Enterprise would have been the right show to re-introduce the more human looking types of Klingons that we saw in TOS — but instead, again, we get TNG type Klingons.

          • TIG1701

            Then how you would describe this? I think Enterprise did a good job and remember it was still 100 years away, it gave itself lots of room to do its own thing. This thing is only 10 years away and nothing looks like TOS. Again I don’t care but its not a prequel either.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Again, as I’ve told M33, we are comparing a TV series that was produced as good as they could with production techniques from over 50 years ago. I wouldn’t in my wildest dreams want to see Discovery try to match that antiquated look. Yea, I want some canon connections to storylines from TOS, sure, but I want the look of the series to be something that I can realistically say, “that really does look like the future.”

            It’s important to me that the new series be legitimate science fiction that I can buy into.

          • M33

            You know, it is funny.
            Other posters elsewhere have made the observation that all of this “debate” could have been avoided if they had chose to have an alternate timeline instead calling this new series part of the “Prime Timeline”.

            Then there would be no canon concerns.
            None. Zilch.
            Everyone would win.
            (Well… there are always those…)

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Good point. In fact, I would have preferred if they had just called this “Star Trek”, no Kirk, no Spock, no story connections, maybe just have the ship called Enterprise, and have some basic similarities like transporters, but otherwise have it be a completely re-imagined universe for Star Trek.

          • M33

            Yeah. They could have kept all of the character-canon and ditched all the “vintage-look” canon and reimagined the entire Prime Timeline how they wanted the future to look, all within an “alternate timeline”.
            Could have worked really really well.

          • Bifash

            Can’t you just believe ( in your “head-canon” ) that this is an alternate reality if it want?

          • M33

            LOL
            “There are always possibilites…”

          • Bifash

            I’ll tell you something – your alternate reality concerns are exactly the concerns/thoughts I have about the new iteration of PLANET OF THE APES. But as the new movies take place in a time far removed from the original film ( and do not contradict elements from the first two movies ), I’ve reconciled the two ‘realities’ in my head, and it works out perfectly.

            I certainly do not want them on-screen ( in the new Apes movies ) to be bogged down with explaining all this, but for fans with keen imaginations, we can make it work.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I just hope the next Apes movie is more “fun” than the last one. The last one was kind of depressing. The original series of movies was damn good fun.

          • Bifash

            Calling this an Alternate Timeline from the outset would bog this series down with a completely irrelevant bit of trivia ( for the wider audience ) which more or less would mean nothing within the framework of the storyline ( I am guessing ).

            These issues of Alternate Timeline/Prime Timeline or “canon” vs “non-canon” is utterly meaningless for a new viewer.

            If it helps some fans to sleep better at night “knowing” this fictitious universe is taking place in an alternate timeline, then you should be believe it – I’m sure there will be very clever ways that fans will be able to reconcile the differences or contradictions as they have done many, many times over in Trek’s past.

          • TIG1701

            Very true. I think they are just trying to market it to get the old fans to watch it. I said it if they just rebooted it completely I would have no problems with it at all but they seem so afraid to do that and I don’t get why? I guess they are afraid Trek fans would reject it completely but I don’t think they would. We’re all use to watching reboots of stuff these days. They should take the chance with Star Trek.

          • TIG1701

            Yeah I’m not disagreeing with you on that, I still think it was idiotic to make it in this time period because a lot of fans, especially TOS ones just see it as blasphemy. I have no issues they wipe TOS off the map completely but I also know it would bother a lot of people out there and it is.

            They should’ve at least make the show after The Undiscovered Country. That would’ve made it look a bit less out of step and they had decades before TNG started so they could’ve done almost anything. But I think it looks great though.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Good points. Yea, after TUC would have been a cool way to go about it.

          • M33

            A lot of storytelling room there as well.
            “Breathing room”, as General Chang would say.

          • Bifash

            It might be easier to envision DSC as being set 15 years or so before the reality of ( much more advanced looking ) TMP and the subsequent Trek movies, as opposed to the ( relative ) primitive looking production values of TOS?

          • TIG1701

            Honestly they could’ve set this show anywhere other than between Enterprise and TOS and there would be less bitching about it. I don’t think they needed to set it in the 25th century (but be ok with that) but all people will see is this very advance looking show that only seems to be in this period so the producers can trout out a few 50 year old TOS characters to please old fans. Maybe it will work but they could’ve gave themselves real freedom if they didn’t make it a prequel. And basically a fake prequel at that.

          • Bifash

            “Enterprise looks much more like a prequel to TNG, in terms of the uniforms, ship designs, politics, storylines, etc. It’s like TOS never existed.”

            “And Enterprise would have been the right show to re-introduce the more human looking types of Klingons that we saw in TOS — but instead, again, we get TNG type Klingons.”

            Yep, it wasn’t until Manny Coto’s arrival in season 4 ( and his unrealised plans for season 5 ) that we actually started getting some real TOS connections.

            Heck they even ended the whole series with it making ENT seemingly a holodeck ‘footnote’ in the TNG reality!

          • TIG1701

            Yeah season 4 was great. I didn’t love Enterprise but if they made season 5 with the ideas they had my guess is that show could’ve ended up as my favorite. Its really too bad it couldn’t get at least one more season as good as season 4 was.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Great post! I was beginning to think I was alone in what I consider to be a fairly subjective viewpoint on Enterprise. Thanks

          • TIG1701

            Enterprise was a century before TOS happened and fourth season actually made the connection between the two shows stronger.

            And no don’t get me wrong, I’m not all that canon centric at all, which is why I had no problem with Enterprise. I don’t have a problem with this show personally outside of its time period but I know its going to have the exact same problems like Enterprise. Worse because its set so closely to TOS time frame. Its funny you are arguing about how ‘busy’ the ships look but the Shenzhou is clearly a more advanced design of the NX-01. It looks just as out of place here.

            And no I don’t want the creepy ass black face space pirate Klingons from TOS. The ones from Discovery don’t look great but I’m going to wait until the show airs to hold judgment on that. Enterprise was smart to keep the Klingons everyone knew from the 80s on.

          • The River Temarc

            “In TOS, we see Starships that have very smooth designs, but then later in TNG-era series’ the ships get “busier” with a lot more detail.”

            …which was because the TOS enterprise was basically a souped-up plastic model. Hollywood production values advance. It’s exactly the same story with the Klingon makeup change in TMP. You’ll note that the 1701-D seen in ENT “These Are The Voyages” is a lot more detailed than the ship we saw throughout TNG.

            I can certainly see *dramatic* reasons to eschew sequels. The idea that they need the same production aesthetic is not among them. And respectfully, you’re being inconsistent in arguing against this point with respect to ENT and for it with respect to DSC.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            When Gene Rodenberry, in an actual press interview, was asked about why the Klingons in TMP look different. he basically said that the original show had simply never had the budget and makeup technology to envision the species as it should have been seen, so the new Klingons were just Klingons as they were always intended to have been. (Cinefantastique, Vol. 37, No. 2, p. 40).

            So Gene was lying?

          • M33

            They are not mutual exclusive.
            Gene, of course, if correct about the production reality of why the Klingons looked the way they did at different times.
            Other writers later on created the fiction within the story of Star Trek to explain why the Klingons looked different.
            Both are true.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well, that is your opinion. My opinion is GR is correct, and the Berman-era writers pandered to the fans. 🙂

          • M33

            LOL
            As they should!
            Gene is dead and the fans make them money.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well, yea, there is that. 🙂

          • TIG1701

            Roddenberry has been dead for 25 years man and the last time he had any involvement in Trek was the freakin 80s. The franchise moved on from him long, long ago. You guys need to move on already.

          • The River Temarc

            “the new [TMP] Klingons were just Klingons as they were always intended to have been”

            Fair enough, and that’s basically how Klingons have looked since then. (I never saw the need for an in-universe explanation for the change, either.) However, doesn’t that auger for leaving the TMP makeup more-or-less intact for DSC?

      • M33

        “What will make or break this will be whether it will be great storytelling and acting.”
        And I do agree completely as far as it relates to the broader audience.
        My comment was in reference to “canon-centric” fans.

  • Bifash

    STAR TREK is ‘Future History’.

    So I see no problem reconciling the hi-tech look of this Pre-TOS Prime Timeline with the ‘The Cage Era’.

    It looks different because we are viewing the 23rd Century now with the lens of 2017 and not the 1960s – but the EVENTS and characters of the 23rd Century Prime Universe still stand, leaving aside the aesthetics.

    It’s the same difference you’d get watching a film aboutPeriod set Robin Hood, Wyatt Earp, King Arthur all filmed in the 1960s compared to how you would film it now – same characters, same events, just looks very, very different due to the leap in production values.

    • pittrek

      Well that’s the problem with prequels – if you want to do something which look like it takes place BEFORE TOS, it must also LOOK like it takes place BEFORE TOS. If they really wanted to “re-invent the wheel” they should do something post-Nemesis. Or I have even a better idea – do a completely different sci-fi show, not connected to the Star Trek name at all.

      • TIG1701

        Yeah exactly. Why it was stupid to make a prequel. No one seems to argue how cool it all looks, it just doesn’t fit the time period its suppose to be in. Its distracting for people. If this was post Voyager we would be having a lot of different conversations about this show right now. All people can think of is how it erases TOS and it looks more like JJ verse than the prime universe.

        • archer923

          They really need to be careful. Star Trek fans are very important. And if something really doesn’t fit in right. Like the theme song on ENT. Or the NX design ripping off the Akira Class. People will abandon the series, just as quickly like with Broken Bow. Good stories are important too. But, if people refuse to even tune in. Because of the esthetics. The shows in a crippled state. Right off the boat.

          • TIG1701

            I agree I think they don’t realize how big of a change this could people off just reading all the boards about it. That said if the show is good I think most people will just accept it. Most of them will probably just look at it like the JJ verse, its not really the prime universe and accept it that way. If it sucks, its going to be ugly.

      • Bifash

        Which makes me wonder what are the events and stories that compelled them to make this series take place when it does.

        For reasons I’ve stated elsewhere, I’d be very hesitant to just keep going ahead into the far, far future.

        I DO like the era they’ve set it in, but I also DO want to have some visual touchstones from this era acknowledged – all it needs is a cameo from a Cage-Era Pike or a Constitution Class vessel, or something, and then I can be okay knowing that THAT corner of the Prime Timeline still exists out there beyond the Discovery.

        • Mrplatitude

          Having Bruce Greenwood cameo as Pike would be really neat, as would showing the Enterprise either prominently or in the background.

          • Michael

            Bruce Greenwoods Pike is not part of the Prime universe CBS claims this takes place in. If he shows up, it’s the JJ verse

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            More stupidity. Pike is in both Prim and Kelvin as a character. Who cares what actor is playing him — the actor playing the fictional role isn’t part of canon — that’s just dumb-ass to claim.

    • Snap

      “It’s the same difference you’d get watching a film about Period-set
      Robin Hood, Wyatt Earp, King Arthur all filmed in the 1960s compared to
      how you would film it now – same characters, same events, just looks
      very, very different due to the leap in production values.”

      I must disagree. Yes, you would certainly have a significantly different interpretation with modern production values, but it’s not like Wyatt Earp would be armed with a semi-automatic machine gun and ballistic missiles at the gunfight at the OK Corral. What the modern production values would do is present a slicker and more polished product which 60s production values could put out. Earp wouldn’t have magic blood which can cure the dead or any such outlandish elements.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      “It’s the same difference you’d get watching a film about Period-set
      Robin Hood, Wyatt Earp, King Arthur all filmed in the 1960s compared to
      how you would film it now – same characters, same events, just looks
      very, very different due to the leap in production values.”

      I agree 100%. That’s exactly why it will look different today than if produced in the 1960’s.

  • Bifash

    Remember, the leap in quality and the visual difference from TOS to THE MOTION PICTURE was IMMENSE. Yes, in-universe, the advancements were put down the passage of time ( 2.5 years according to some sources, 10 years if we go via real-life time ).

    If we just consider the movies ( this new Trek series follows the pedigree of the Trek MOVIES we can be in no doubt ), DCS’s aesthetics might be viewed as the logical ‘precursor’ – by a decade and a half or thereabouts – for THE MOTION PICTURE.

  • Fiery Little One

    The Shenzhou is an oddly designed ship. Why put the bridge on the bottom of the saucer?

    • Bifash

      Does it really matter in Space?

      • Fiery Little One

        (shrug) I’m just thinking about the fact that it’s usually on the top, even if it’s lowered to be level with the rest of the saucer.

        • archer923

          To quote Malcolm Reed: “There’s no rules that the bridge has to be on the top of the ship.”

          • Fiery Little One

            … I’ll bow to that.

  • Bifash

    I imagine Sarek was Burnham’s sponsor and mentor, and perhaps helped guide her upbringing in some way ( perhaps after a family tragedy of some kind in Burnham’s childhood? ).

  • M33

    In a way, the diverging arguments here regarding importance of canon vs. importance of modernization is in reality very similar to the arguments people have regarding the Constitution (the “original meaning” group who wants to follow the history and law as it was laid out vs. the “living document” crowd who wants to reinterpret it to suit the times).

    Strangely, I wonder if those here follow a similar political leaning in this regard as they do for the importance of or lack of importance of canon in Star Trek.

    • Locutus

      The same thought had ocurred to me as well. I prefer my Star Trek a “living document.” Otherwise, the show would lose its relevancy.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Nothing strange about it and it’s really more personality driven than political. Some people want things to stay the same and some people welcome and embrace change. Each side’s viewpoint has pluses and minuses.

    • GIBBS v2

      Silly humans. That’s a very interesting theory though.

  • GIBBS v2

    Okay. I’m pumped.

    Not sure about Daft Punk or the guy with hexagons on his face or Lobot for that matter but I am still pumped.

    As far as the general look I think they did what they had to do. Blend the old with the new.

    • M33

      Daft Punk.
      LOL

  • iamawild

    While the Klingons look a little like Aqua-man, I don’t think that’s a show stopper. Very much looking forward to what is coming. Bring it on!!

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    Really like the trailer — this is Star Trek for sure.

    That being said, I hope they are still early in the special effects work, because it still looks a little weak to me, though much better than the crap stuff we saw when Fuller had hired the first special effects company who had no clue.

    • Michael

      You really are a Moonves fanboy, huh? Down on both knees for a man who knows nothing about Star Trek

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        At least I provide my honest opinions. I have no need for an “imaginary friend” inside source to try to make my posts seem more important here. What you see is what you get.

        And regarding Moonvies, well, we shall see on that account when this show actually premieres. I realize that this is not a popular opinion among Star Trek fans, but my point of posting my opinions here is not to give people what they want to hear and promote myself – that’s your gig.

        And I tried watching an episode of the American Gods piece of crap BTW — thank goodness we did not get stuck with Fuller on Discovery…what a directionless, silly, gross mess that show is.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    As for the look not being reminiscent of the original series…

    One would hope so, given TOS was produced with 1960’s production values, etc etc.

    Outside of a small minority of fans, who would really want to see a serious new Star Trek series today today that looked like TOS? Hell, GR himself completed updated everything in 1979, and that was nearly 40 years ago.

    And like it or not, every generation of new Trek movies and series has re-engineered the Klingons — that is a new Trek series precedent.

    Get real people! Get ready for a slight reinvention — it’s a good thing!

    • Snap

      One thing I have noticed among a number of people here is the rather condescending and insulting tone given to those who share an opposing position or who would like visual continuity to be maintained. If anybody guilty of such an attitude has the audacity to either follow or invoke “IDIC” one must keep in mind that despite the insipid commercialism involved in its creation, it’s spirit is inclusive of any and all viewpoints.

      While it is true that Gene Roddenberry made serious updates to Star Trek between the time of the original series and the first movie, had the “Phase II” TV series gone forward, it would have used the uniforms from the original series. So, it’s clear that not everything was being tossed out the window as a result of the updates. Furthermore, as polarizing as the current movies may be, they have demonstrated that the original uniform style can still work in a modern production.

      If Discovery were to be set at the time of Pike’s tenure as captain of the Enterprise, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to expect a visual continuity. In regards to the Klingons, it has been speculated and is certainly possible that the Klingons we see are ancient Klingons from a sleeper ship and Klingons as we are familiar with may be there as well.

      But, Discovery clearly isn’t situation within the original timeline, so visual changes are more palatable, but that doesn’t mean we have to like or agree with them. Nor should those of us who find certain aspects to not be our cup of tea be treated with such condescension. I can only speak for myself, of course, when I say that I respect opposing opinions, as there are no less valid than my own on the matter.

      Despite any critiques I may have about aspects of what I have seen, I want this show to succeed and ensure that Star Trek will endure well into the future. I’m looking forward to when it ultimately premieres and I hope the premiere is an epic feature-length presentation.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        I have stated my position. It’s not personal. Debate me with your views please — I am not interested in labeling people or getting ridiculously defensive. So, back to an intelligent and vibrant discussion, here is my viewpoint explained further…

        I am simply trying to realistically describe why it would be just silly to make the series look like it fit in a style that was based on 1960’s TV production levels, and I correctly showed that GR himself made huge changes in the look of the TOS era. Remember, TMP events were suppose to be only 3.5 years after the last Star Trek episode, but the entire Trek universe looked completely different. That is exactly the same “updating the look” approach that Discovery is taking.

        If it worked for the Great Bird, Discovery is fine to do it as well…my opinion!

        • archer923

          That isn’t want people are arguing about, though. The ’09 movies have a distinct design for them. While the ENT-VGR have a different look. No one here wants 100% identical esthetic designs of TOS (unless it’s for a special reason). What people complaining about do want: A proper split the difference. This is prime universe. The design split needed to be from ENT and TOS.

          This is just 09 direction. From lens flares, to window view screens. It doesn’t have the correct feel. If this was JJverse. Than I wouldn’t be complaining. They got the esthetic on the nose.

          It’s one of the reasons why people don’t want prequels anymore. You avoid 80% of the complaints right off the bat. If it’s set in a brand new future time. All new designs, just like TNG-VGR are all valid.

      • TIG1701

        Yeah I hear you man. I’m willing to give it a chance but I been saying it was idiotic to do something so different in such a famaliar time period. They are slamming the show on Youtube. I think its a bit unfair but this shouldn’t surprise anyone. That said, if its good people will get over it in time.

        For me personally I hate they even made it a prequel, and another set to Kirk time….again. But I’m happy they are doing something different with it at least but I understand others disagree. I don’t really want to see The Cage again though, its just too outdated IMO.

  • David Lund

    Ignoring all the miserable haters who want jelly bean buttons and whirring computer tapes, it looks like the production designers have done their homework.

    The LCARS seems to use same font and basic styling Okuda used for the ST:4-7 Kirk era graphics, and the Shenzou has a very John Eaves look to it. I wonder if he was brought in to do prop and ship detailing passes as he did on the Abrams films?

    What I like most about the look of the trailer is the balance between what we now think 250 years in the future would look like with nods to what we thought it would be like (or could technically portray) over the past 50 years.

    I see some genuine care being taken here to get this right, despite what some vocal ‘fans’ online think. Hate it all if you want, but I’ve enjoyed every incarnation of Star Trek, and am very much looking forward to seeing this.

    It’s a massive undertaking and the team behind this really do seem to be doing their homework.

  • mal

    I just hope they didn’t make Michael half vulcan or part vulcan because it would clash too much with the fact that Spock was the first human/vulcan kid. That unless Michael is younger than him anyway (but it’s a bit lame, admittely) or there is a big plot twist revealing that she’s the future daugheter of kelvin timeline Spock/Uhura, sent to the past of the prime verse timeline for unknown reasons (unlikely, as the show creators already said that this series is not related to the JJ’s trek movies. However, the creators of LOST spent years denying the theory that the characters were in purgatory only to basically base their whole show’s finale on that idea)
    I have to say, this made me realize what a wasted opportunity is for them to make this series in the tos reality instead of the kelvin timeline, or another timeline. The kelvin timeline would give them a bit more freedom in terms of tos canon too, not to mention an endless of new plot bunnies to use. I feel like making it a prequel of the tos timeline might limit their choices too much.

    Of course there are a lot of visual similarities between this trailer and JJ’s movies because 1) the series is not made in the 60s so it can’t realistically look like cheap sci-fi from the 60s, an upgrade is natural 2) One of the series runners is Kurtzman, who is one of the main creators of JJ’s trek too (and that fact quite possibly is the reason why he got this job).

    • I assumed Sarek was simply a friend of the family – a mentor. Michael will never learn Vulcan because her tongue is too human… because she’s human.

      • mal

        I too thought she probably only has a connection to vulcans as a human; the bits with Sarek surely seem to imply, though, there is some deeper connection and that her being too human to speak vulcan hurt her.

        • She could be an orphan raised by Vulcans, like how Worf was too Klingon to play soccer.

  • SpaceCadet

    Very cool stuff! I think the aesthetic and designs look amazing and yes, similar to the Kelvin timeline look. I think that’s okay though because it’s what modern audiences are used to and fits in with the JJverse prime timeline before the Narada showed up.

    I’m guessing that at some point midway through the series, Burnham (and Saru) are transferred to the Discovery and that’s when the rest of that crew shows up.

    As far as the new Klingon makeup design, yes, it will take a little getting used to. Maybe they’re a different type of Klingon or ancient Klingon or maybe it’s just a complete revision of the whole race. But I at least like that their appearance feels very alien and that actually makes them more fearsome in my opinion.

    Can’t wait to see more! The production values look amazing and feature quality!

  • Michael

    Finally back guys. Everything I was told was completely thrown out by the suits. Moonves has completely ruined this show, butchering the original vision of Fuller.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      No, no, no. You don’t get to re-write your bullshit.

      You were wrong all along. You continually made shit up. You have no inside source.

      You are completely full of shit.

      Nobody is drinking your Kool-Aid anymore. Please go away.

      • DC Forever

        His information all along which he claimed was from an inside source always struck me as obvious deductions from what was known about the series. There was never any truly new bit of information that he provided which could not easily be inferred from reading what is already out there.

        • TIG1701

          What was his information? What did he say was going to be so different about the show? The only thing I remembered reading on another board is the ship may be from the future but I never believed it.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Yep! Everything he has said you can infer from all the bits of information that are flowing around.

      • Michael

        I was tricked, as were all of us. CBS pulled a bait and switch and I was fed disinformation

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          And of course, NOW, they are providing you accurate information which we are suppose to believe..WHY OF COURSE. LOL

          • Michael

            No one is feeding me false info anymore. I now have a very accurate source since the first three episodes are in the can already.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            LOL, of course NOW they are being truthful.

            LOL
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            LOL
            LOL
            LOL

    • TIG1701

      What did you say that was different?

  • Michael

    The Shenzhou is still going to be destroyed and the action moves to the Discovery

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      LOL. Any moron has that figured that out by now. Nice try!

      • Michael

        You figured it out because I told you the spoiler several months ago. Guess you are the moron.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          LOL, not at all. And I assume you are referring to this post, where you didn’t even get the ship right:

          “Michael Eric Cheung • 4 months ago
          The U.S.S. Attilio is destroyed in the series premiere in a dramatic fashion.”

          LOL, it’s the Shenzhou, clown. I think your source probably really works at 711, not CBS.

          • Michael

            What you fail to realize is the Attilio is also destroyed along with the Shenzhou, after it tries to help.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            LOL. What a lame recovery attempt. You clearly thought the Attilo was the central ship to be destroyed in a big way in the premiere.

            Where is all of your Section 31 crap predictions now…not a peep from you on that now. LOL, I suppose you will blame Moonvies for that not panning out now.

          • Michael

            Section 31 is still in the plot

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You mad it sound like it was a major focal point of the series. The trailer does not show this.

            Wrong again! Next???

    • DC Forever

      Like, duh. That is obvious.

  • TIG1701

    The main complaints that people seem to be hating on it are:

    1. Its yet another prequel. A lot of people seem to want a show past Voyager already.
    2. Its looks too different or advance from the usual time period which makes it feel like a prequel in name only.
    3. It looks too much like JJ verse and not enough like prime universe. Note to CBS: Most old school fans hate JJ verse.
    4. Many seem to hate its too many minorities on the show for them. Not enough white people. Note to CBS, you have to get more white people on so they can feel comfortable watching a show with aliens in it.
    5. The Klingons…enough said.
    6. Many don’t like it will be on a pay site instead of TV. I can understand that, I hate paying for stuff too. I wish everything was free.

    Some of these I agree with, others, especially four, I don’t but I think if the show isn’t that good these problems are going to be big iMO. I just keep thinking of Enterprise for #1. I just can’t believe they didn’t learn their lesson with another prequel but that’s not the only reason Enterprise got cancelled. And maybe since this is the first show since that show many will give it a better chance.

    But I don’t know I’m surprised how many hate it for these reasons. I thought I was going to hate it too to be honest but I really liked it. The stuff I don’t like, other than being another boring prequel for old Trekkies, I can get over pretty quickly I can even get over that as long as its not some long nostalgia thing and I don’t think it will be. I rolled my eyes when I heard Sarek was in this but I actually liked him in the trailer. So hopefully others will get past their bias but it is a concern. They might’ve made a mistake setting this in TOS again but then changing everything around. Trekkies hate change but most get use to it after awhile. Most loved TNG and the other shows so maybe they will like this.
    .

    • M33

      Good assessment, really.
      For me, while I am sure I will enjoy the show, #3 is my only nitpick with what we have seen, but as I said elsewhere, we haven’t even seen the Discovery yet, which may resolve many of these matters. They may not, too, and it will be interesting to see how that plays out if that is the case.
      Point #4 I think may be true as written for some, but I think this could also be articulated that it wasn’t about the lack of any one “color”, but more that people were being picked “because” of their “color” first, which can be a fair argument since it is part of a larger national (even worldwide) discussion of the importance of instituting hiring by race or hiring by merit. Regardless of the discussion, they are all fine actors and seemingly will do justice to the roles they have been selected for.

      While I think “Discovery” is a terrible name for the show since it doesn’t seem to roll off the tongue very well in my opinion and doesn’t carry a gravitas with it like prior spinoff names did, I am cautiously optimistic about the new series.
      I am pleased beyond belief that we will have weekly Star Trek again, instead of waiting every 3 years or so for a new installment.

  • SG

    I absolutely love (which means hate) how male curative fans are here cutting each other’s heads off over this trailer.

    Novel concept: I personally LOVE what they did with the visuals, but honestly, who the fuck cares about visual continuity? Is it what star trek is about? Visuals? TOS had friggin’ paper walls, Uhura’s post looked like a christmas tree and Kirk once found a rock made of paper that was shaped like a dick and used it as a weapon. Does anyone care about it? No.

    Star Trek is something else. It’s Kirk telling a 1960 pilot that the women on the Enterprise are just as important as the men. It’s Nichelle Nichols being thanked by MLK for her role. It’s Leonard Nimoy promoting equal pay on set and refusing to work on TAS if nichols and takei were excluded. It’s having an android – something that is so often used in science fiction for gruesome AI revolts – and create Data, who is nice and loves his cat. It’s having a black captain who is also a dedicated single father in the 90’s. It’s Jadzia Dax falling in love with another woman. It’s Janeway, the first female captain, and Tuvok, the first black vulcan who was also a main character. IT’S ALL OF THIS. It’s pushing boundaries, telling important stories, and making people dream.

    What the fuck do I care if someone doesn’t like the friggin’ uniforms, or the ship, or whatever else you’re whining about? I care about Star trek doing its job, which is presenting a brighter future, often going against its own interests in doing so.

    So, I welcome Michael Burnham and Philippa Georgiou with open arms. I already love them. So many people of color were brought to tears at seeing themselves in those roles, and I couldn’t be happier for them. So far, Discovery HAS obeyed to the principles of the original series: in the words of George Takei, “Making the ship a metaphor for our world, in which we can only succeed if we work together”.

    • Matineer

      To paraphrase you: I absolutely concur with your sentiments of what Star Trek is about. But is having the main character implore the captain to “cut off its head,” and implying that Starfleet shoots first, in keeping with Gene Roddenberry’s vision of tolerance toward alien life and peaceful exploration? They’re using these new characters to push what could be a more militaristic vision of Trek. Does the trailer present an optimistic vision, or a dark one (an alien who senses death). And do we need to see Hollywood actors pretend to do things before we do them in real life?

      • SG

        First: you don’t know anything.
        You’ve only seen, like everyone else, a 2 and a half minute trailer which in no way included the entirety of the show, since a lot of it is still being filmed. Many cast members weren’t seen. Hell, we didn’t even see the discovery. The bit of dialogue you cited might as well have been cut and pasted for dramatic effect. The shots don’t look like they belong in the same scene. I might be wrong, but they often do this in trailers.
        You don’t know what Burnham was talking about when she said “cut off its head”. Hell, she could be talking about a ship, or a robot.

        I did not see any more militaristic stuff than in DS9. Hell, there is a war between two fucking QUADRANTS in ds9 and you are complaining because this crew is worried about some klingons. Not to mention that Kirk & co DID have their violent encounters with aliens, even if you don’t perceive them as violent as in here because the filming techniques are different and everything was softer and duller in the 60s. Which doesn’t mean it was worse, just different.

        As for your last sentence: “Do we need to see hollywood actors pretend to do things before we do them in real life?” short answer: yes. Long answer: not if we were an actually intelligent species, but apparently, popular media has a HUUUGE effect on how we think and act. Many racists who were against mixed marriages changed their mind after seeing Uhura in TOS, and Nichols got letters about it. The point is: media shares ideas with us. We can be empowered by them, and we can question our reality thanks to them. So yes. Seeing two women of color commanding a starship will undoubtedly have positive effects on our society.

      • The River Temarc

        “How difficult after all these years of learning to respect life, to be forced to destroy it. But there seems to be no alternative.”

        That’s Picard’s closing narration in “Conspiracy”; he said similar things about the Borg. Context is everything.

  • Dawn

    what an absolute disaster.

    RIP STAR TREK. 1966-2005

    • SG

      RIP dawn’s brain – wait, that was never born anyway lmaooo

      • Dawn

        hehe go fuck your mother

        • SG

          I’m so offended now…really….

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yea, Dawn’s a real intellectual around here. LOL

  • Michael

    Main character is transgender it will be revealed as the “Michael” name suggests

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      No, no no. There you go again, clown.

      The trailers shows the child Michael, and Sarek say’s “You will never learn Vulcan; HER tongue is too human.”

      Next???

      • Michael

        In the universe they depict, they are up to 324 genders and 233 sexes. Don’t assume gender.

      • Michael

        Are you being biased and claiming men can’t have breasts in the future? How dare you trap people into only two sexes!

    • DC Forever

      If that’s the case, then you can bet it was your buddy Fuller that came up with that, as I guarantee you that conservative Les Moonvies would not have brought that in. Just saying…

      • Michael

        Never said Fuller was my buddy. But he was being handicapped by interference and could not achieve his full vision for the show. That’s why he left.

  • Section31

    Was already mentioned that the constellation “Ursa Major” can be seen in the image of the console with the Klingon symbols?

  • Michael

    The rumor is this is not the prime nor the Kelvin timeline but a brand new one using elements from both

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Less than 24 hours ago you were claiming Kelvin Universe:

      “Michael • a day ago
      Claims set in “Prime” universe, actually set in Kelvin universe. Epic fail.”‘

      You are just continually lying now. Whatever illusion you had that your had some special inside info has been completely exposed as fraudulent now.

      Stop making shit up. Enough already!

      • Michael

        Quiet, Hillary voter.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Enough with the politics.

          You do lie a lot though, which reminds me of someone….LOL

          • Michael

            Melt, snowflake. STAR TREK has always dealt with politics.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Here what’s more likely than me taking your pathetic, desperate bait to give you the political forum you want here — your imaginary inside source actually existing outside of your mind.

          • Michael

            The only delusion here my friend is you desperately trying to convince yourself this show is good simply because there is nothing else on the horizon

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            LOL — no, there are many delusions here, all promulgated by you.

        • DC Forever

          You didn’t explain why you keep changing your story on which universe Discovery is in?

          • Michael

            CBS said its set in the prime universe.

          • DC Forever

            Again, why did you say yesterday that it’s in the Kelvin U, but then change your story today to say it’s in neither the Kelvin or Prime U?

            it really does seem like you’re just making a lot of this up because you like to troll here?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            He won’t answer because he knows this lie is on record by his own posts. He completely changed his position within 24 hours…just from sheer trolling laziness.

          • Michael

            I did answer, both Fuller AND Moonves said the show is set in the PRIME universe. Try to keep up

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Trekcore Moderators — lock him out..lock him out…lock him out! 😉
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ecbb32f4caa3a23912ce0fb9619d8bcfa06c270258c03570046b67157fcd0c6.jpg

  • Michael

    If CBS thinks people who wanted a popcorn blaster summer movie in the three JJ verse “Star Trek” films will pay for their subscription service they are on some hardcore drugs. I feel they are way too confident that fans will just automatically watch the show simply because it says Star Trek. Sort of how liberals just assumed Hillary would win, I think CBS is in for a massive shock. I don’t expect this to go beyond 2 seasons.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Blah Blah Blah Blah

      ENOUGH !!!!!

      • Michael

        For a so called “oracle”, you have terrible tact.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Stop bringing your politics into this. And assuming you voted for the other person, well how’s that working out for you? LOL

          • Michael

            It’s working our great. We hold the house, senate, and the Oval Office. Stop listening to fake news the liberal media is feeling you.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            MODERATORS — PLEASE NOTE

          • Michael

            So you deny that STAR TREK has dealt with politics since the start?

    • DC Forever

      Discussing current politics is definitely frowned upon by most of us here.

      • Michael

        If the person you chose won you would be thinking differently I assume.

        • DC Forever

          OMG, I think I just figured your twisted nature out!

          Admit it, your last name is Flynn, right?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Again, just fracking genius, dude. LOL You made my day! Thanks!

    • The Science Fiction Oracle
  • Michael

    No wonder fuller left the show. It’s a fiasco

    • DC Forever

      I’m not a Moonvies fan, but Fuller was in way over his head. The stuff coming out on the show last year when he was in charge just looked awful. Since he’s been removed from the picture everything’s been looking great

      • Michael

        It looks like a cheap lost in space clone

        • Cabo 5150

          You’re not even good at trolling, and that was yet another utterly lame and feeble attempt.

          Yawn.

          • DC Forever

            Agreed – the comparison of the trailer to Lost in Space makes no sense whatsoever???

            The only thing worse than a troll is a lazy troll. :-)))

          • Michael

            It makes sense if you saw the terrible 1990’s version

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          My god, what a completely dumb-ass comment. At least try to negatively compare it to something that would make some sense?

          Just pathetic!

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Yea, Fuller is extremely overrated. We dodged a bullet there in getting a “Berman 2.0” sort of series.

        And, like him or not, Moonvies was exactly the person needed to right the ship after Fuller’s disorganized and mismanaged tenure on the series.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    Thank goodness that Brian Fuller was sent his walking papers. I tried watching an episode of the American Gods. What a cluster-frack mess of a show — it’s directionless, the plot is all over the place, looks silly, and is pretty gross in a nonsensical way. Thank goodness we did not get stuck with Fuller on Discovery.

    And it’s great to see that CBS has added funding for two additional episodes. They sense that this is going to be a big hit, and after seeing this trailer, I can see the potential for this to blow up positively in a big way. Can’t wait for the Fall premiere, and I predict that that the subscription levels for this on CBS All Access is going to be huge.

    • DC Forever

      They would not have added two episodes unless they had received very positive test screening results.

      This is a great sign that this show is going to rock.

      • Michael

        I am sure they brought in stupid millennials who only cared about the CGI and not the storyline.

      • Michael

        Perhaps they ordered two more shows to try to save this show from the incredible amount of bad press it’s getting from the long time fans who made Star Trek what it is?

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Exactly!

  • Michael

    If Moonves resisted his urge to micromanage this show and instead let fuller completely flush out his vision, we would not have this half and half fiasco. It was Moonves that insisted upon the “look”
    be identical to the JJ verse. It USED to look like the prime universe

    • DC Forever

      The JJ universe has always looked great, and looks much closer to TOS movies then any of the next generation series of shows. I love the look of the JJ Star Trek universe, and I think Gene R would love it as well given his grand look of the Star Trek universe in TMP.

      Writing has always been the issue with the JJ movies, and none of those writers are involved in Discovery.

      So if I’m supposed to get upset that you’re saying it looks like the JJ universe, sorry, but that’s actually a big plus for me.

      • Michael

        You are not a true fan. You are part of the reason why Star Trek is being ruined. Stick with Star Wars.

        • DC Forever

          Be careful, the mods kick people out of here who resort to that “your not a ST fan” level of trolling

          • Michael

            Simply saying that a fan of nearly 45 years has more experience than a fan who just came aboard with the JJ verse

          • DC Forever

            If being a fan for 45 years turns a person into a petty, angry troll, then that level of longevity is not so impressive.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I’ve been a fan for 47 years, so I outrank this clown, and as the ranking fan here, I rate your post here on the solid look of the Kelvin Trek universe of being a valid position. 😉

          • Michael

            Perhaps you are losing mental faculties as you get older if you are willing to accept such a bastardized version of Star Trek.

            I suggest you skip Discovery and watch that new Seth McFarland insult show

        • Cabo 5150

          Is it possible to, you know, like both Star Trek and Wars.

          I know, right – it’s almost inconceivable to you.

          It’s close to unfathomable a given individual could enjoy both franchises – forgoing dumb fuck “true fan”, “them and us” idiotic and retarded bullshit.

          Personally, I like Star Wars, and LOVE Star Trek.

          • Michael

            General in the science-fiction community it is established that higher intelligence folks prefer Star Trek, and lower intelligence folks prefer Star Wars.

          • Cabo 5150

            Exactly how and where has that been “established”? What “general science-fiction community”? IMHO, you’ve just typed a load of ad hoc bull.

            Please supply a link to a case study where this conjecture has even the remotest shred of falsifiable, peer reviewed evidence. I’m not talking about anecdote and/or purely speculative opinion pieces heavily influenced by confirmation bias on fan sites.

            Beyond any of that, you seemed to have missed my point – my post quite clearly highlighted the clear irrationality and barefaced condescension of your statement telling another fan to “stick to Star Wars”.

            I made no reference to the “intellect” of anybody – that’s purely your own diversionary, smoke screen “defence”.

            IMHO, you have a real problem if you view the world in these black/white, “them and us”, strictly demarcated ways – especially if it’s over something as trivial as “Star Trek vs Star Wars”. Seriously, you believe your “intellect” is, on average, “higher” than that of Star Wars fans?

            You are one of the “higher intellect folks” then…

          • DC Forever

            Flynn’s (my nickname for him – “if the shoe fits”) level of condescension is completely at odds with the best qualities of Star Trek fans.

            It might be that Trek fans on average have more advanced degrees than a societal average (I remember some kind of poll on this years ago), but Trek fans also are typical more liberal than the societal norm – one could assume more liberal than Star Wars fans – and Flynn will need to acknowledge that as well.

            And Flynn doesn’t practice IDIC, and as someone correctly pointed out here. Flynn may have been a great ST fan at one time, but he has now devolved into an Internet attention seeking troll. It’s rather sad when you think about it.

          • Michael

            The admins can confirm I am not whoever this “Flynn” idiot you keep speaking about as if it means anything to me.

          • Cabo 5150

            Umm… I haven’t called you “Flynn” even once.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Dude, you wouldn’t know what a “true Trek fan” is if he pounded you on the head and called you “papa”

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        I agree with you, and I have been a fan for 47 years.

        People can criticize the storyline and plots and character behavior in the Kelvin movies all they want, but the look of the Kelvin universe is an outstanding modernization of the TOS aesthetics (BudEngineering not included, of course – that was really bad).

      • The River Temarc

        Exactly. There are many reasons to dislike the JJ films, but — with the glaring exception of the engineering set — production values aren’t one of them.

  • Michael

    Laughable they expect us to think all of this is running on duotronics

    • Eric Cheung

      Duotronics have to be more advanced than current computers, in order to be revolutionary to 23rd century computer users, therefore they can’t look less advanced than current computers, no matter what they looked like in TOS.

  • Michael

    Gene Roddenberry would absolutely hate this show.

    • SG

      Gene Roddenberry would hate you, not this show.

      • Michael

        I met the man – I know he would dislike this show

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          You don’t know shit until we actually see the show, and I don’t believe you have any real inside info on the show, so I completely dismiss your claims to know what it’s going to be like. Hence, your comment on Gene not liking it is pathetically ridiculous.

          Go away clown.

          • Michael

            You don’t know me and are taking huge leaps of assumption. The only clown here is you for being so rude

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        “Hate” is a strong word. I met Gene myself, and I can state though that Gene would likely employ some of this characteristic sarcasm to dismiss this clown — Gene did not suffer fools.

  • Dr. Cheis

    I was skeptical about the Klingons before, but seeing them in context it looks like this is some unusual sect of Klingons we haven’t seen before rather than the typical warrior caste. Shave off the hair and those traditional Klingons don’t look too different from these anyway.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      I agree.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Seriously I fail to imagine how Michael Dorn could have played an ancestor in this.

  • Michael

    This will fail worse than Enterprise. The trailer has no direction for the show. At least the first Enterprise trailer had a direction. “First crew, first captain”

    What is the direction of this show? U.S.S. Destroy canon?

    • DC Forever

      We heard you the first five times, Flynn

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Love your “Flynn” nickname. That’s genius!

      • Michael

        Again with delusions?

    • Csere Mihaly

      You know where your credibility problem is? When you were “reporting” about the production through your friend you should have known all this … All of it. You come here and say that Moonves has his hands full on this still you didn’t know it whene you were talking about this in March. I’m sorry Michael you had your 15 minutes of fame and as we all suspected turned out to be just lies and now you try to divert the attention through this bs posts of yours ….

      • TIG1701

        That dude sound like he was saying a lot of crazy shit. Every time I see his name all I see are people attacking him for being so wrong. This is the problem when you try to be a ‘source’ on the internet and you’re just pulling things out of your ass to be popular. Not uncommon on the internet obviously.

        • Michael

          I DID have a source – but he was feeding me false info.

          • TIG1701

            So your ‘new’ source is now completely right? Man, people like you are a dime a dozen on the internet.

          • Michael

            My new source is probably feeding more false info, but it is my duty to report it in case it’s real.

          • TIG1701

            You don’t seem to realize how sad you are coming across here. I just been reading your posts last few days. Stop sounding so delusional. Clearly you lost credibility with every one here. You’re not going to gain it back pulling more of this silliness.

          • Michael

            I am credible I have proven that

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Just sad…

          • TIG1701

            How? What have you said before that turned out to be right? And that no one else just could’ve guessed based on interviews?

          • Michael

            Section 31 is still heavily involved

          • TIG1701

            Man, will you stop this. And how do you KNOW if you said your ‘source’ has lied to you about every thing the whole time? And btw, why would someone just be a prick and lie to you about a show for months on end? Who does that? Is this ‘source’ your friend because man that is one shitty friend.

            And I like how you said you think your second source could be lying to you. Maybe its just you lying to everyone here. That makes more sense than this BS you’re pulling.

            But if you’re right thats cool. STID was a total shit but I loved seeing Section 31 there. It would be great to see them on this how.

          • Michael

            I have a new source, and everyone seems to forget how dead on accurate
            I was with STID and Beyond.

          • TIG1701

            I wasn’t around for that so I have to take your word. But you still don’t seem to realize how ridiculous you sound. “I had a guy who was just feeding me bullshit for 6 months for some shits and giggles apparently but now I have a new inside guy and he’s definitely on the up and up.”

            How does one get all these contacts? What do you do for them to want to just feed you info, both true and false?

          • Michael

            I am in the industry.

          • TIG1701

            OMG OK then. Then maybe next time you will be able to tell the difference when someone is just feeding you bullshit for the hell of it before you spread it all over the internet.

          • Michael

            The transition from fuller to Moonves interference upset a lot of people

          • DC Forever

            The transition from your first imaginary source to your new imaginary source is what is ridiculous here.

          • DC Forever

            LOL. Yea, there is that. What a clown this troll is.

          • DC Forever

            Sure, if working down the street from a major studio at a Jack-in-the-Box counts as a supporting industry. LOL

          • Cabo 5150

            …sigh…

      • Michael

        I told everyone I was fed false info.

      • DC Forever

        Yes, Flynn’s lost all credibility now. He was an exceptional troll for a time though – I’ll give him that.

  • Pedro Ferreira

    Seriously I fail to imagine how Michael Dorn could have played an ancestor in this. The Klingons just look wrong.

    • Michael

      They are JJ verse Klingons in the Prime universe

      • Pedro Ferreira

        Exactly my point. How would anyone even see that it was an ancestor of Worf?!

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Yea, that would be like they had a TOS “human looking Klingon” actor like, say a Mike Ansara, come back and play a Berman-era “more alien looking Klingon” in say Deep Space Nine or Voyager.

          The fans would be outraged! Thank goodness this never happened.

          • Cabo 5150

            Ha ha, game, set and match to TSFO!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Indeed! Thanks

          • Pedro Ferreira

            That was the same character. Michael Dorn would be playing an ancestor but you would never know it’s him so yeah there’s a difference.

          • TIG1701

            It sucks they couldn’t get Dorn on the show. That would’ve gotten plenty of people excited for it.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Agreed.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Maybe he dodged a bullet. If he looked like the Klingons seen here no one would even know he was playing an ancestor to Worf.

          • The River Temarc

            But…the TMP-and-onward Klingons at least shared *some* features with the TOS Klingons. They were both recognizable mammalian, if “earthy”; these seem to have an exoskeleton. I like the production values, but I do think they may have overthought the Klingon makeover here. They needed a refresh, not a re-do.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I hear you, but Rodenberry always wanted the Klingons to be more alien-like, and it’s a running joke now in Star Trek series and movies how the Klingons keep changing.

            So I try not to stress about it. I just assume that they will keep changing.

      • DC Forever

        You need to update your eyeglass prescription, old-timer. JJ’s Klingons looked more like Roddenberry’s The Motion Picture Klingons than Discovery’s Klingons.

    • DC Forever

      Um, because he’s an actor playing a fictional role.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        Really, you don’t say? I thought the Klingons really existed. Learn something new every day Sherlock eh?

  • Michael

    The “super Klingon” she is going to fight on the hull looks like some kind of 1993 power ranger enemy. Completely absurd and against the values of Star Trek.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      So glad to see that you realize that there is no need anymore for your “shock and awe,” imaginary friend source thing. Just give us straight hate, with no subterfuge.

      We can at least partially respect these kinds of direct hate posts, even if we disagree with them.

      Well done!

      • Michael

        Notice friends he did not refute my opinion regarding the cheesy power ranger space warrior Klingon

  • When I look at all the visuals, I think to myself, if this were Star Trek in the 25th century, I would be crapping myself with excitement right now. Instead I just feel trepidation for how much it’s going to mess with canon. It’s not that I’m just an old fan boy married to all things canon (I am, but it’s more than that) it’s that it produces cognitive dissonance that makes it hard to know what I should consider “right” or “true” about the Star Trek universe.* And that makes it hard to be overflowing with excitement the way I was for every other new series.

    * My understanding was that Spock wasn’t just the first Vulcan in Starfleet, but the first alien in Starfleet. Because Vulcan and Earth were super close allies, had a long history, and Spock was half human. In this show, several aliens are already members of Starfleet. Are they from early/post-founding federation worlds we’ve never heard of? What was special about Spock then?

    • TIG1701

      Have to agree. This looks fantastic for a 25th century show. Being a 23rd century show it looks amazing but it just clashes with TOS to the point it may feel too distracting for some fans. As far as Spock being the first alien in Starfleet I think both Enterprise and the JJ verse films retcon that already. There were a few aliens on the NX-01 and the Kelvin ship so it doesn’t really matter at this point.

      I do think its funny how people keep suggesting this show is clashing with TOS canon when in reality the other prequels have done quite a bit of that already. I think people are going to have to let go of what they saw in TOS and really look at it as a sequel to Enterprise where things were already changed.

      But yeah I’m interested in the show but my excitement level is not like it would’ve been for a post Voyager show.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Yea, I could go on and on about Enterprise in this same way that Gregory is concerned.

        • TIG1701

          That is the crazy thing, how people mentally block out stuff like this. Maybe he never watched Enterprise or the latest JJ films but people act like the stuff they are complaining about being retconned on this show haven’t been retconned years ago on those long ago.

          On another board there was some guy going off about having a woman Captain (not being sexist he just thought the first woman Captain appeared later) because some body in a 50 year old TOS episode said something about no women Captains in Starfleet. No idea if thats true and probably never seen that episode but had to remind him the second warp 5 Starfleet ship had a woman Captain named Erika Hernandez. People will remember that over some line in an obscure episode from the 60s. And it was the 60s. As I said just pretend its a sequel to Enterprise and the Kelvin stuff, it will make more sense that way.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      You need to brush up your canon. Spock was 60 years old when TOS started, so it’s more than likely he was the first Vulcan in Starfleet.

      BTW, I assume you must have huge issues with The Immunity Syndrome episode of TOS, which featured a Starfleet ship crewed by over 400 Vulcans, thus obviously violating the canon point you are making on Spock canon?

      • I’m open to being corrected. Maybe a correction or two will help cure my cognitive dissonance! When was it established that Spock was 60 at start of TOS? I know he served a 5 year mission with Pike prior to Kirk, but that doesn’t establish his age.

        I’m not sure how a Starfleet crew of 400 Vulcans changes what I was saying. It just means Spock was the first Vulcan of many.

        I felt as though ENT handled it well. Phlox served on the Enterprise, but wasn’t in Starfleet. He was there as because of a joint arrangement. And same with T’Pol. I don’t remember now if she got a field commission in Season 4(?) but she didn’t wear the blue jumpsuit uniform, she didn’t attend the academy, etc. So that doesn’t negate Spock’s being first.

        The JJ films showing aliens on bridge, well, that was something that annoyed me. I think they just flaunted canon there and didn’t care about violating it.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          “I’m not sure how a Starfleet crew of 400 Vulcans changes what I was saying. It just means Spock was the first Vulcan of many.”

          If there are 400 Vulcans in Starfeet at the same time Spock is in Starfleet, it’s pretty hard to imagine that Spock would have been the first one out of 401. It’s a number game, and that ship obviously has a Vulcan Captain and other senior crew, not mention senior specialists throughout the crew — there had to be at least several dozen Vulcans who in Starfleet before Spock based on that episode.

          So my point is that an TOS episdode itself violated your specific trust in Spock canon that you are similarly attributing to Discovery

          • Hm. I know of the USS Intrepid being staffed by all Vulcans. But I had never thought before that these details of canon were in conflict.

            ENT shows that Starfleet predates the UFP. Therefore Starfleet began its existence as an expansion of Earth’s government/military/presence into space. But the Vulcans already had their own fleet of ships with officers and specialists and so on. I just assumed that a Starfleet ship full of Vulcans was the result of some union of pre-existing institutions that merged in the service of the UFP. Not necessarily that all of those Vulcans had gone the same career route as Spock and then ended up together with an all Vulcan crew on a Starfleet vessel. The response of Sarek to Spock joining Starfleet is one of disappointment.

            However, all that said, I’ve just been browsing around the web looking for the canonical source of the idea that Spock is the first vulcan in Starfleet, and the support for that idea is indeed very tenuous. Although, it is mentioned in the Star Trek Encyclopedia, where, as I kid, I probably “learned” that. But now I’m starting to have doubts. wtf.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I know somewhere I also read or saw that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet (maybe in the Bliss books or the Animated Series?), but your “first Alien” thing I have not heard before.

          • Michael

            Canon says he was the first alien in Starfleet. Time to brush up on canon friend. That you don’t know such a common fact is very telling

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I am open to being corrected. Where in canon is that?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Michael, still waiting for your supporting reference from canon on this…

            Any day now….

          • DC Forever

            Apparently, given his lack of response, he just made this up to try to “score points” here.

            Lame trolling again by Flynn.

          • DC Forever

            So Oracle asked to simply back up your canon claim by providing a simple canon reference nearly a week ago, and then even reminded you a couple of days ago?

            We’re you just making stuff up again, or can you provide the canon episode or movie source that confirms Spock was the first alien in Star Fleet?

            We are waiting for you to provide a simple canon source for this claim? I can’t find anything in a web search that backs up this claim?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yea, 8 days now and still no canon source response from him.

            What a pathetic, little liar.

          • Axanar Lives

            THERE IS NO SUCH REFERENCE IN CANON

            NADA

            NONE

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Thank you for confirming this.

            Michael is caught in a lie once again. I didn’t recall at all that this was part of canon, but wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt and let him provide the canon sources. Of course, he’s conveniently AWOL now. LOL

            He’ s a big fan of he Liar-in-Chief, so it should be no surprise to any of us here that he is lying once again.

            Michael’s is totally discredited now on this site. This just confirms what we already knew.

          • TIG1701

            Does it actually matter either way? No. Its just canonical minutiae. It would be one thing if it mattered in terms of story but it doesn’t. To be honest I never knew that anyway and I doubt most people who watch Trek today would know that.

          • M33

            As a person who studies storytelling, minutiae is important. In movie and television terms, inconsistencies in “minutiae” are called plot holes.
            It is what made season 4 of Enterprise so interesting is how they were able to weave seemingly inconsistent and incongruous parts of the whole Star Trek story into a canon-explanation that worked.

          • M33

            That being said, there are still plenty of lingering inconsistencies that never were addressed. Interestingly, Mike Okuda in the Encyclopedia has made attempts to address some of them in a way to try to resolve them.
            Some… well, are… challenging to twist and contort enough to make work. (Although, some of the novelists have tried, but again, their explanations aren’t accepted as “canon” anyway.)

          • M33

            Here is the transcript from the Immunity Syndrome below.
            As you will see, there is nothing that indicates clearly that these Vulcans were Starfleet officers or graduates. These Vulcans were using a Starfleet ship, but it is never made clear that they are Starfleet officers. Spock could still be the first to have graduated the academy.

            Captain’s log, stardate 4307.1. Approaching Starbase Six for a much
            needed period of rest and recreation.

            [Bridge]

            KIRK: The crew has performed excellently, but is
            exhausted. And I, too, am looking forward to a nice period of rest on
            some lovely planet.

            UHURA: Captain. There was a message from Starbase Six. Heavy
            interference. All I get is Intrepid and what sounded like a sector
            co-ordinate.

            SPOCK: Interesting. No indications of magnetic storms in this sector.

            KIRK: Try another channel, Lieutenant.

            UHURA: Aye, sir.

            MCCOY: The Intrepid is manned by Vulcans, isn’t it?

            KIRK: Yes, that’s right, Bones.

            UHURA: Enterprise calling Starbase Six. Enterprise calling Starbase
            Six. Come in. Come in.

            (Spock suddenly jerks upright, his face a picture of horror.)

            KIRK: Spock?

            MCCOY: What is it, Spock? Are you in pain?

            SPOCK: Captain, the Intrepid. It just died. And the four hundred
            Vulcans aboard, all dead.

            MCCOY: Come on, Spock, let’s go down to Sickbay.

            SPOCK: Doctor, I know what I know.

            KIRK: Get to the Sickbay.

            SPOCK: Captain.

            KIRK: No, no, no. That’s an order.

            SPOCK: Yes, sir.

            (McCoy leads him away.)

            UHURA: Captain, I have Starbase Six readable now. Switching to audio,
            sir.

            KIRK: Kirk here. Go ahead.

            STARBASE [OC]: You will divert immediately to sector three nine J.

            KIRK: Sir, the Enterprise just completed an exhausting mission. We’re
            on our way in for R and R. There must be another starship in that
            sector.

            STARBASE [OC]: Negative. This is a rescue priority. We’ve lost all
            contact with solar system Gamma Seven-A, which the Intrepid was
            investigating. And we’ve just lost contact with the Intrepid. Report
            progress.

            KIRK: Order acknowledged. Kirk out. Mister Kyle, you heard the order.
            Set course for Gamma Seven-A, warp five.

            KYLE: Aye, sir.

            CHEKOV: Captain I have just completed a full long-range scan of Gamma
            Seven-A system. It is dead.

            KIRK: Dead? It’s a fourth magnitude sun. There are billions of
            inhabitants there.

            CHEKOV: It is dead.

            [Sickbay]

            (Spock is on a biobed, being scanned.)

            SPOCK: I assure you, Doctor, I am quite all right. The pain was
            momentary. It passed quickly.

            MCCOY: All of my instruments seem to agree with you if I can trust
            these crazy Vulcan readings. Spock, how can you be so sure the lntrepid
            was destroyed?

            (Spock gets off the bed.)

            SPOCK: I sensed it die.

            MCCOY: But I thought you had to be in physical contact with a subject
            before

            SPOCK: Doctor, even I, a half-Vulcan, could hear the death scream of
            four hundred Vulcan minds crying out over the distance between us.

            MCCOY: Not even a Vulcan could feel a starship die.

            SPOCK: Call it a deep understanding of the way things happen to
            Vulcans, but I know not a person, not even the computers on board the
            Intrepid, knew what was killing them or would have understood it had
            they known.

            MCCOY: But four hundred Vulcans?

            SPOCK: I’ve noticed that about your people, Doctor. You find it easier
            to understand the death of one than the death of a million. You speak
            about the objective hardness of the Vulcan heart, yet how little room
            there seems to be in yours.

            MCCOY: Suffer the death of thy neighbour, eh, Spock? You wouldn’t wish
            that on us, would you?

            SPOCK: It might have rendered your history a bit less bloody.

        • Michael

          JJ never cared about canon nor did he respect the show at all.

        • TIG1701

          The JJ films were definitely a joke in that regard but regardless its been pretty established now that Spock wasn’t the first alien in Starfleet. Again, you have to let go of TOS. Discovery is clearly going to retcon a lot of shit just like Enterprise and the JJ verse did. I mean if you are bothered that Spock is no longer the ‘first’ alien there will probably be a lot of disappointments coming your way.

          • I hear you. I think I probably am in for some disappointments. I didn’t really feal like Enterprise messed with Canon too much. Season 4 was an amazing addition to canon, I loved it.

            Given that it was only ever fan supposition that Spock was the first alien in Starfleet I guess I can get used to that being not true. And I am onboard with the style and sophistication of the tech being brought up to what we, today, realistically think it might look like in 300 years.

            I’m not sure though why it is so hard to write a good and engaging story, the heart of Star Trek, without needing to introduce new aliens and universe altering events. Like, just pick a time period, know what that time period was like, and write an engaging adventure story about characters we’ll love, without completely rewriting history. The abandonment of canon feels lazy to me. And annoying.

    • Michael

      I agree with you 100%. All true Star Trek fans badly wanted a Post-Voyager series with cameos from established stars, and a new ship equipped with slipstream drive. There was talk about having two chief engineers – one for the warp drive, one for the slipstream drive. Lots of jokes and barbs between them, etc.

      • Cabo 5150

        Again, there you go making ridiculous, ad hoc, sweeping statements with zero credibility outside of your own highly subjective, and IMHO, insular, narrow-minded and parochial assessment of Star Trek.

        I am a “true fan” of the entire franchise going back many decades – by my definition – and I certainly don’t want a post-Voyager series; “badly” or otherwise.

        I’m convinced you continue peddling the “true fan” crap in the capacity of a troll. I genuinely don’t believe anyone could be stupid enough to actually subscribe to such an asinine and absurd sentiment.

        Personally, I am extremely happy with the way DSC is shaping up, and look forward to a fresh new take on the Star Trek legend.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Look at the bright side — everyone here finally shamed him into dropping his “imaginary friend,” inside source crap. 🙂

          • Michael

            I have dropped nothing. My new source is less frequent than the old one, but promises to be far more accurate. I will be getting details of future trailers before the general public like you.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            LOL — you need therapy.

          • DC Forever

            I just had lunch with your new source and the Easter Bunny.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            The Easter Bunny was his old source though, and that bad bunny lied to him. Santa Claus is his new source, and Santa tells the truth.

            😉

        • Michael

          If you have actually read the Star Trek:Titan novels you would be begging for the post voyager series as well.

          • Cabo 5150

            Sigh… apparently, you continue to not only miss my point, but wilfully swerve around it by the widest possible margin.

      • DC Forever

        Hey Beavis, Butthead is looking for you

      • Your Worst Nightmare

        Wow. Here we are with the “true Star Trek fans” comments again. I guess because I don’t want exactly that I’m not a true Star Trek fan. Guess I don’t want to be either.

    • Xandercom

      Mate, any form of intelligence and cerebral continuity went out the window a decade ago. My best advice is to not fight it, just ignore it, don’t support it, don’t class it in the same category as the franchise it’s hijacking by name only. It will pass in less than a decade. We’ve waited this long..

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        “My best advice is to not fight it, just ignore it”

        Be great if you took your own “best advice”, hypocrite.

      • Eskay

        Good to hear then that you will be ingoring Discovery, and that this will be your last message on Discovery here on Trekcore.

        Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

        • Xandercom

          Twat

        • Cabo 5150

          Xandercom has previously made a big deal reference being “done” with DSC on this very site – yet here he is, continuing to show up in thread after thread berating a show he wants nothing to do with…

          I’m done with pre-production enthusiasm, I’m done with disappointment, and I’m done with stupid production direction and all-round showboating of the Star Trek brand by idiots who want to turn it in to something different.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Agreed. He needs some new material, cause with this “I’m done” stuff he contradicts himself over and over. He is just embarrassing himself now. LOIL

            “Like a poor marksman, he keeps missing the target”

  • Roberto Suarez

    The robotic crew member must be a Daftpunkian.

    • Michael

      Sounds like something Moonves would approve.

    • Cabo 5150

      But do we have any “digital love” for him?!!

  • Xandercom

    Any form of intelligence and cerebral continuity went out the window a decade ago. My best advice is to not fight it, just ignore it, don’t support it, don’t class it in the same category as the franchise it’s hijacking by name only. It will pass in less than a decade. We’ve waited this long.

    Sites like this are digging themselves in to a very deep hole. Their own google analytics show the drop in traffic since taking this unrealistic and biased stance toward taking anything CBS pump down their throats as heaven has become so far detached from the day to day reality of the fanbase that they burned through the last remaining credibility and goodwill some time ago.

    Of course they will.

    • Cabo 5150

      Sites like this are digging themselves in to a very deep hole. Their own google analytics show the drop in traffic since taking this unrealistic and biased stance toward taking anything CBS pump down their throats as heaven

      This is a Star Trek site, reporting on, umm, you know, a new STAR TREK show.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        He keeps claiming how people hate this and are dropping off web sites, yet he, who hates this series, shows up here every week.

        He thus disproves his own claim. If he stopped showing up, I would take his point more seriously. Otherwise, he’s a hypocrite.

        • Cabo 5150

          I really tried to highlight his irrationality in the “First Photo” thread, but as expected, it fell entirely on his proverbial deaf ears.

          Xandercom, the man “done” with DSC…

          I’m done with pre-production enthusiasm, I’m done with disappointment, and I’m done with stupid production direction and all-round showboating of the Star Trek brand by idiots who want to turn it in to something different.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Agreed. He’s just embarrassing himself now, continually contradicting what he is saying.

  • DS9 is King

    Here is more info from Midnight Edge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I3y3_QmBsQ

    • Your Worst Nightmare

      I would stand to gather that very little of that video is true.

      • Cabo 5150

        Yup, just another purely speculative YT video with no more or less credibility than any other – it “proves” nothing.

        Furthermore, I would suspect the maker has a specific and fairly obvious bias/agenda and/or ulterior motive in attracting click-bait with blatant negativity if the channel is monetised.

        The “Axanar connection” is a HUGE red flag to me.

        The DSC trailer was truly excellent – and the finished product will only be polished even more by the time it reaches our screens. I doubt the studio would have ordered up two additional episodes if the show was the “disaster” many are claiming.

        Personally, I am genuinely excited for a new Star Trek.

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          There are three things I grow increasingly tired of in regards to Star Trek fans:

          1. The “true fans” speaking for the entirety of fandom.
          2. Constant whining about everything new, whether it be the way technology looks, differing viewpoints on episodes/movies or this pathetic “white genocide” crap that has come up in regards to Discovery’s minority casting.
          3. Axanar.

          • Cabo 5150

            Absolutely spot on, YWN!

            Those three points sum up it perfectly – if I see the words “true fan” come up, my eyes just roll and the poster losses all credibility with me.

            The “Axanar conspiracy theories” are as f**king retarded as they are straight up hilarious!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            O U T S T A N D I N G
            P O S T
            ! ! !

      • Tom

        Probably so. I do think Fuller was probably let go involuntarily. Could be a good thing. Trailer was far from perfect but certainly not a disaster either. I think it offers enough to at least give it a try before condemning it. If the show is truly a trainwreck then the look and timeline wont matter.

        This video basically feels the JJ movies are done. JJ and Paramount need to get their act together and decide soon about the future of Trek film series. Too bad they couldn’t make nice and tie the films and the TV series in the same timeline. .

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          Oh, I absolutely think Fuller was fired. I also think if CBS didn’t do that, they’d still be waiting to start filming. While his creativity would be amazing on the series, I do hope that they used his basic premise. And I also agree with your assessment on the trailer: not perfect. But promising. As for JJ, if they’re done, they’re done. We got three relatively entertaining movies out of it (your mileage may vary, of course). I hope whatever happens next, it’s just good Star Trek!

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Is Midnight Edge funded by Michael?

      LOL

      • M33

        You see he has posted recently on this thread, yes?
        He has returned.

      • DS9 is King

        I don’t think so, is Michael providing more news from his sources on the inside of Paramount/CBS?

  • Io Jupiter

    The Klingon’s look pathetic.

  • Io Jupiter

    Man, this Klingon could put Kirby Vacuum Cleaner’s out of business with that nose of his.

  • Lora

    This is not star trek. This series will fail hard. CBS did not listen its fans again.

  • spooky

    interesting… this could either be incredibly cool or downright awful. Only time will tell… I look forward to a full trailer for the series. This trailer looks like its mostly focused on what I would assume would be the pilot episode of the series but I could be wrong. I don’t like the lens flares… those needed to be dialed back down.
    Acting wise, I really hope the main character is good but I am a bit iffy on some of her scenes here. She’s pretty but let’s hope that she is dynamic and not a beautiful prop spewing out lines.
    The ship aesthetic is a bit too Star Wars… even the desert scene evokes Star Wars rather than Star Trek. I hope they can fully embrace Star Trek and not force more Star Wars cues all over the place that the Kelvin timeline films have.
    I am fine with the Klingons. These Klingons are probably a rogue sect looking for a long lost King. I like the mystery of what the Klingons may be doing here… I bet it has to do something with Nero from the 2009 film. There is no way that this is taking place in the TOS era series, its likely the continuation of the Kelvin era or a Kelvinized version of the main timeline with some weird timeline changes. Where everything should look like the 60s, the tech somehow changed everything. I am okay with that concept.