We’ve just beamed back from Las Vegas after a week of fun at the annual Trek convention, with a heavy focus on Star Trek: Discovery featuring both cast, crew, and prop appearances.

But CBS isn’t letting us rest just yet! Along with a series of character animations released on Twitter over the last few days…

…a new, highly-stylized web promo just arrived for the upcoming series, echoing the classic Star Trek monologue from Captains Kirk and Picard, with a new twist for the 21st Century read by Sonequa Martin-Green (Michael Burnham).

Michael Burnham: As we stand at the edge of an unknown universe, we know our greatest challenges lie before us – that our future is not bound by fear, and that our mission is not to conquer, but to discover.

That is our destiny: a destiny written in the stars… and so we boldly go where we have never gone before.

That’s an opening-credits Star Trek monologue if we ever heard one – but will it be featured in Star Trek: Discovery‘s episodes? We’ll find out September 24.

 

  • Quintillion Tesla

    That is a beautiful promo.

    I can see the trolls now: “Boldy go where we have never gone before”????

    • iamawild

      No trolling here, only praise. It looks awesome, bring on Sept 24th!

    • Ryan T. Riddle

      Right sentiment, just overly wordy. “Have never” should just be “none,” which makes the sentence crisper!

      • Your Worst Nightmare

        It does, sure. But it’s also a different take on an old favorite. That’s the way promo-Burnham chooses to say it. Who am I to decide how to say something like that?

        • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

          lol you don’t have to act like it’s perfect.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I don’t believe I did.

    • Barak Aslani

      Surely the ‘negative comment police’ are the trolls. God forbid true Star Treks were allowed to voice their concerns without being called every name under the sun.

      • Rjp151

        If I never hear the term “True Star Trek Fan” again it’ll be too soon. And what could you possibly be talking about? Every post about Discovery is filled to the brim with negativity.

        • Quintillion Tesla

          Totally. Can you believe that guy with his “true Star Trek” fans nonsense?

      • Your Worst Nightmare

        Barak, do me a favor and define what a “true Star Trek fan” is.

        I’ve been a Star Trek fan since the early 80s. I watched TOS in repeats, TNG, DS9, ENT and most of VOY as it aired. I have seen every Star Trek movie in the theatre since Search for Spock. I have been to conventions, read books and comics, bought merchandise, and have had online conversations about Star Trek for years.

        And you know what? I’m cautiously optimistic for Discovery.

        If that last little bit doesn’t make me a “true Star Trek fan,” maybe I don’t want to be one.

      • TUP

        Ohhh, those that hate everything about a show they’ve never seen are the “true fans”. lol Playing that card is truly the last gasp of a desperate troll.

        • Armand Laroche

          to steal a little Mr. Spock verbiage. Pointing out things that I disagree with from the show runners means I neither like nor dislike it as I have no feeling toward the matter. At this time I merely have not seen anything that makes me very interested in it.

      • DC Forever

        There you go again. What a miserable thing to infer that those who disagree with you are not “true fans.”

        Shame on you!

    • Pedro Ferreira

      As in another prequel? Yes, I can understand the issues. That’s not trolling.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    I suppose some people will find a way to be critical of this even???

    • Quintillion Tesla

      You bet your bottom dollar they will, alas.

      • Your Worst Nightmare

        Makes me sad but you’re right.

    • I’m critical of every piece of footage with those “Klingons”. There’s no need to reiterate that but there’s no need to praise a promo without any novelty either. 😜

      • Barak Aslani

        Thank you for speaking such sense as always Bernd.

      • James

        I’m sure that plenty of people were critical of TMP’s Klingons. Just like many complaints regarding TNG copying TOS stories early on. I enjoy your website, and I hope that STD doesn’t disappoint you. For me, it’s not trivial design issues but the focus on war and conflict that troubles me. I’m a big critic of Axanar, but I think STD looks similar in that it’s War Trek.

        • mswood666

          Heck not only did the Klingons change between TOS and Star Trek the Motion Picture, they changed appearance in almost all the non TNG trek films as each change in makeup designer for the various films had their own ideas of how they should look. The thing that stayed the same was costumes as Trek until recently ( or the motion Picture) not a big budget production and it allowed them to save money.

          You can thank Micheal Westmore for keeping the prosthetic look of Klingons stable (after the start of season 2 of TNG until the end of Enterprise). But even Worf changed, from Westmore’s first look for his first season.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Nah, didn’t you hear? That all happened because of a retrovirus…it wasn’t because of Hollywood production and creative decisions

            LOL (sarcasm)

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Oh no, not this again. The Klingons remained the same from TMP onwards.

        • Agreed. War Trek is problematic. The new “Klingons” are just the most obvious of many indicators that the makers of Discovery want it to be less like Star Trek and more like the conglomerate of their personal reinterpretations of the franchise on the backdrop of a generic warlike scifi series.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        I took a loot at your web site. Regarding your comment:

        “The new trailer doesn’t get me more interested in Discovery. It is all about battles and explosions. It totally relies on Abramsverse aesthetics: ships popping up from warp and stopping immediately a few meters away, machine gun like phasers, way too much motion and way too little light everywhere. It is a visual overkill that lacks the feeling for the vastness of space, not to mention the fascination to explore it.”

        I’d like to challenge you to view the original trailer here for TNG, and tell me if that doesn’t pretty much have these same deficiencies? I count six separate instances of phasers firing, two explosions, a person being frozen alive and also seeing someone being dispatched in the head with a pulse rifle at point blank range.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtmsI07AMsE

        • Regarding the content, the TNG trailer wouldn’t get me interested in TNG either. Regarding the visual style, the Abramsverse aesthetics simply put me off.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Fair enough!

        • Pedro Ferreira

          The TNG promotional stuff was more exciting to watch than this.

  • Quintillion Tesla

    The words Burnham speaks actually highlight for me why setting DSC in the 2250s is a good idea: In-Universe, it’s still a time where there is still much of the galaxy yet to be explored.

    Setting DSC post-Voyager wouldn’t really lend itself to boldly going “where we have never been before”, and space-faring in Janeway’s time was already too casual ( some might say pedestrian ) as she references in the episode “Flashback”.

    Let’s see and hope that DSC lives up to the idea of “Discovery”.

    • Alan Light

      Great sentiment. One of the better promos ever…

      • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

        wow…ever?

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          6 up-votes for Alan, 0 for you.

          Yes, the consensus is “ever”

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    • Thomas W.

      Janeways travelroute has been only a thin line through the Delta quadrant. There must be billions of unexplored worlds in the galaxy, even in the 24th century.

    • TIG1701

      Do you guys have any idea how big the GALAXY is? They can tour it for another thousand years and be lucky to have seen 5% of it. Its a galaxy with 1-200 billion stars in it. Calculate that in your head. for a moment. You really think a hundred years later they would have scratched the surface? You guys make space sound too small but I guess thats what happens when you have a show where you bump into a new alien every week.

      • Quintillion Tesla

        You’re absolutely right about the size of the galaxy of course. I think even TNG mentioned that only about 12 percent or so of the galaxy has been explored.
        I think it’s just the way Voyager ( particularly ) dealt with it – it was set in the Delta Quadrant, and yet most of their encounters with bumpy forehead aliens could just as well have happened in the Alpha Quadrant.

        • SpaceCadet

          Exactly! The setting in the Delta Quadrant was ripe for introducing brand new aliens and life forms that were unlike anything we had seen before but for the most part they failed and we got the new bumpy forehead aliens of the week or an over-reliance on the Borg because they couldn’t develop their own original main villain. I think because the minds behind Discovery are more creative and they have a bigger budget to play with that we’ll get truly unique aliens even though it’s a prequel series and still set in the Alpha Quadrant.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            I rememeber when Braga stated that VOY would be the “X-Files” of Star Trek. Alas, it was no such thing. For the most part ( perhaps even ALL of it ) for a series about a vessel lost on the other side of the galaxy, they played it extremely safe.

          • SpaceCadet

            That’s definitely how they played it. If they really wanted to be daring, more people should have died, there would have been more internal conflict (that was supposed to be the whole premise of the show and it didn’t last beyond the first season!), the ship should have been destroyed along the journey and the crew would have been forced to find a new one. But the Voyager was the most indestructible starship there ever was, even out there all alone in the galaxy!

          • Voyager really should have been 6 seasons of Year of Hell, then 1 season of what happens after they get back home – maybe the is Doctor deactivated; Janeway is court-martialed for putting her crew in danger, despite following the Prime Directive; the Maquis all end up in jail; Seven is dissected.

            Y’know, cheery stuff.

          • SpaceCadet

            Those are all interesting ideas and I agree that the series shouldn’t have had the abrupt ending of they’re home and then fade to black but rather a follow-up on the aftermath of how they deal with coming home. Voyager should have been more like the reimagining of Battlestar Galactica but maybe not quite as dark or depressing.

        • TIG1701

          Alright fair enough…and agreed!

    • Pedro Ferreira

      It’s not a good idea. Hollywood has an obsession with prequels. Go forwards, not backwards.

  • prometheus59650

    Where’s that theme song that’s moving people to tears?

    Gimmie.

    • Quintillion Tesla

      It’ll be interesting to see if we get a full title sequence, or just a title card that seems to be a trend for a number of shows nowadays.

      I’d want a full title sequence for DSC.

      • The series will have a traditional opening sequence.

        • Barak Aslani

          I would have traded in a traditional opening sequence (as much as I love them) for continuity of design, aliens, uniforms and tech any day. But alas….

        • TIG1701

          No ‘its been a long road getting from there to here’? That’s disappointing…said no one.

  • M33

    “As we stand at the edge of an unknown universe…”

    Interesting phrase here.
    Are they using the word “universe” in a euphemistic sense like we do when we say “world”?
    Or are they using it in the scientific context?

  • Trent

    Not bad.

    Here is hoping it isn’t the Captain’s oath ala the other STD.

  • Fiery Little One

    I could see that monologue being part of the opening sequence.

  • Barak Aslani

    Why oh why isn’t anyone allowed to speak freely without being torched to death? Please let’s not give into this emperor’s new clothes syndrome of the JJ-movies. This new series looks reductive and art by commitee. Nobody asked for yet another prequel and the writing is on the wall. You disrespect our continuity, you disrespect our community. We love Star Trek, and it doesn’t need a sexy-blue, lens flare, mass effect bunch of aquatic klingons to be improved. It’s the SAME TROLLS denying anyone the right to voice their negative feelings for a series that’s already sticking it’s middle finger up at the fanbase. It doesn’t need a reboot or a retelling or a reimagining. CBS should just drop the ‘C’.

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      Well said.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        I think every time TUP posts someone should make another post hating this show just to annoy him. Ha, ha!

    • mr joyce

      and you know this because youve seen a few episodes of the show then have you?

      i do agree somewhat on your point about the prequel aspect though, because it would be nice to see trek carrying on forward. where we differ is your idea that ‘the writing is on the wall’, well, im afraid its a bit of a stretch to suggest that, seeing as all we have seen so far is a bunch of promo pics, a couple of trailers, and a few interviews with the cast.

      • TUP

        The worst people here are the ones digging heels in so far that regardless of reality, they can never change their minds. If Disovery is really good, do you think barak could ever admit he was wrong? Not a chance.

        Its no surprise a lot of the complaining comes from people that seem to also have racial or bigoted perceptions. They are prone to prejudice, even in judging a TV series they have never seen.

        • mr joyce

          agreed!

          thats the problem a lot of us trek fans are having though – coming to conclusions about what the show will be like based on minimal to no evidence. its all speculation based upon tiny threads of information which are being woven into something larger which more than likely will not resemble the final product, which no one has seen yet! lol

          i hope its good, and if its bad, ill admit it…but like i say quite a lot, ‘the proof is in the pudding’. i dont get it why its getting judged so ridiculously harshly before anyone has seen it yet.. ah well

          • TUP

            Its unfortunate that today people can be so clearly bigoted but feel justified by using terms like SJW.

            But its easy for them to be cowardly on the Internet.

    • DC Forever

      What are you talking about. You come in here and get to torch Discovery and torch those of us who are open to giving it a chance all the time — you do this all the time here yourself. Fact!

      What an absolutely ridiciculos and hypocrital thing for you to say.

  • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

    “SJw” Trek.

    And does she ever smile?

    • Quintillion Tesla

      Seriously, I’m interested to know – what makes you think of this as “SJW Trek”? Thanks.

      • TIG1701

        I guess she’s not white or a man. Thats automatically makes her a SJW in Einsteins book.

        • DC Forever

          You just gave him the platform he desired to bitch about people trying to promote diversity in the workplace.

          Don’t feed this troll. All he ever posts about here is his infantile bitching and moaning about “PC” and “SJW” — he wants us to respond so as to give him the platform to spout his politics. He’s not interested in a free exchange of ideas..

          • TIG1701

            No offense but I’ll say what I want. And if he’s here always bitching my guess is he is going to be here if I responded or not.

          • DC Forever

            Yep!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I responded to the Tom Cruise clown as well. I agree that we need to continue to call him out.

            But DC is also right — we are giving him the platform that he craves. I have yet to see him say, “good point” to someone else. He’s here to “score points” on his politics, obviously.

          • mr joyce

            except hes not scoring points, hes scoring own goals, because he just keeps stating his ideas backed up with thin air, or at the most, hot air.. i think its called ‘blowhard’ in the US, might be wrong though.

            anyhow, i don’t think he really knows what hes talking about

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Why do you think I put scoring points in quotes? 😉

            Agreed — he’s confused and trying to get validation.

          • mr joyce

            lol, just noticed the “scoring points” thing

          • TIG1701

            No blowhard is correct.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Thanks, I think? 😉

          • TIG1701

            I was talking about the Tom Cruise phone it in douche.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            DC Forever and TUP are some of the worst offenders here.

      • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

        I’m glad you asked. 🙂

        Uhura, Sulu, and Sisko were how they were but how often did the script and dialogue make note of that? I think for Sisko it only happened twice, and one of those was the Benny Russell episode.

        So being an Asian or what have you wasn’t their whole identity, while the new show seems to be making the lead a black woman and that is her defining trait and it seems like it has already been mentioned a lot, although I guess she has some history with Vulcans.

        So it is really just a matter of the dialogue the character is given/ how the character is portrayed. Of course, there is intent behind the portrayal as well.

        • mr joyce

          you’re getting the marketing confused with the actual show.

          it doesn’t mean that the show will be referencing the ethnicity of the lead in every other scene just because its been focused upon ( a fair bit, but not unreasonably so ) in the marketing. of course the marketing for shows these days will focus upon diversity etc, we live in a world where many big political issues of the day are affected by diversity issues, so dedicating a fair bit of time to highlighting the diverse nature of a modern tv show is an obvious one really.

          no one has heard/seen any script or dialogue from the show as of yet, so its not reasonable to make the judgements you made at this moment in time, because no one has any knowledge of the show outside of the marketing.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            “We live in a world where many big political issues are the day are affected by diversity issues.”

            Well don’t forget that didn’t ‘just’ happen, there is funding behind that and certain agendas and political ends being pushed with that.

            Larger question: Why have all the bloggers/ writers forgotten that they loved to say things were “post racial” after Obama election? With the way they write now, you’d think Obama was never Prez.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Look everyone, he now got to mention, “Obama.” Could his use of “Hillary” be in our immediate future.

            Political trolling alert!

          • mr joyce

            lol, good one 🙂

            however, im now sure hes too ignorant of facts to be able to troll politically, i just think hes a bored kid trying to get noticed by trying to sound smart/informed

          • mr joyce

            funding behind what? what agenda do you mean?

            this is not a discussion on racial/diversity driven politics anyway. i was just mentioning the fact that diversity/ethnic issues are one part of the big issues in the world today, so of course there would be some aspect of the issues of our time creeping into pop culture – of which star trek is a part. do you really expect there to be no diversity focus in the promotion of a show which is part of the star trek franchise, in this day and age?

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Look back to my previous comment on that

          • mr joyce

            im guessing your saying that diversity is not as big an issue as people say, and is simply being pushed for political ends, funded by poltical parties for their own agenda, is that what you mean?

        • TUP

          And…in the limited information we’ve seen, it doesnt appear that any character in Discovery is focused on due to being black, gay or a female.

          How is being Asian shown to be the identity of the Captain in Discovery?

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Hmm fair enough, they haven’t made a big deal of the captain being Asian, this is true.

            But Fuller did state he wanted a black woman lead, the other shows only went that kind of direction with Janeway (finalists for Sisko included a white guy) and if you watch Voyager, she was quickly just “a” woman not meant to be a stand in for all women, that every woman was supposed to ’empowered’ by.

          • TUP

            What the creator says about characters he creates has no bearing on their portrayal on the show. And that’s the standard you used.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            “No bearing” No.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        Discovery I feel has gone out of its way to go on and on about diversity, Fuller himself seems more interested in female leads than actual good plots it kind of speaks for itself no? Do you need more virtue signalling signposted by the people at CBS?

    • Your Worst Nightmare

      Funny, I thought much of Trek could fall under the SJW label. It is a progressive future where we all get along and everyone has the same opportunities.

      Sounds like social justice to me.

      • TUP

        Nope, its only SJW in a bad way when they give jobs to women or minorities or gays.

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          Well, that doesn’t sound very Star Trek-y. :p

          • DC Forever

            You just gave him the platform he desired to bitch about people trying to promote diversity in the workplace.

            Don’t feed this troll. All he ever posts about here is his infantile bitching and moaning about “PC” and “SJW” — he wants us to respond so as to give him the platform to spout his politics. He’s not interested in a free exchange of ideas.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I am interested in that exchange though. And perhaps it’s pointless but I’m not willing to give up quite yet. I’m not attacking him. I’m staying calm and rationale and sticking to the facts.

          • DC Forever

            No problem.

      • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

        Differences between intent and presentation.

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          So, and I’m just trying to understand here, you’re suggesting because a big tenet of this series is diversity, it’s therefore not okay?

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Nope, but just look at how the original shows presented it (just there, wasn’t a defining trait of the characters/ their dialogue) vs. new show( seems to be a defining trait and stated purpose of the show)

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I have to disagree. As George Takei is so fond of quoting Gene Roddenberry from the 1960s, “Starship Enterprise was a metaphor for Starship Earth.” The intent of the original series from the getgo with an American hero of a Captain, an alien first officer, a Southern U.S. gentleman doctor, a Scottish engineer, a Japanese helmsman, an African American female communications officer and later a Russian navigator, I think anyone would be hard pressed to suggest the original series was anything but trying to push social boundaries. I can see that as a defining trait. And having an African American commander/captain on DS9 and a woman captain on Voyager seems very much more of the same. Those were also defining traits of the series.

            As for Discovery, while there may be some behind the scenes quotes regarding diversity, I’ve not heard a lot of dialogue related to diversity. This promo, certainly, does not indicate such a thing. Are they making a bigger deal of it? Maybe. But in the end, I see no more pushing of social boundaries here than I do in any other Star Trek series.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            But how often did that factor into the character portrayals or serve as the defining trait? Beyond Scotty and Chekov in comic relief moments at least?

            DS9, Sisko only had a couple episodes where his being black was important and one of those was Benny Russell.

            I have read interviews with Brooks where he said it was important to him to see a black father with his son , for audiences to see it, and that’s great a, but I also think everybody can relate to the father and son aspect, that’s universal.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            From the aspects of the actors? If we’re to believe the stories anyway.

            I already spoke to Takei’s statements. If you believe Nichelle Nichols and the MLK story, it played a huge part in defining her character. She would have left. There would have been no Uhura. James Doohan got to pick the nationality of his character and said “if he’s an engineer, he must be a Scotsman.” Chekov is rumored to be a response to a Russian newspaper suggesting there were none on the Enterprise despite being the first into space. (Admittedly, that might just be a tale Gene told over the years.) That’s all behind the scenes stuff but certainly played into the characters.

            As for DS9, it was still important to the creation of the character.

            There was also the big hubbub about nothing regarding Sulu in Star Trek Beyond. You saw the character with a wedding ring, a photo of Demora, and having his arm around a guy with Demora on Yorktown. Had the press and George Takei not made a big fuss about it, it could easily be inferred that the man was a cousin or a brother. But they did make a deal. And Kelvin Sulu is now gay. And that’s really okay!

            However, I’ve seen no indication outside of press coverage and behind the scenes statements that make me believe the fact that Burnham is an African American female, that Stamets is gay and that Georgiou is an Asian female captain is that big of a deal IN THE EVENTS OF THE SERIES.

            And frankly, I don’t think it’s fair to even make such a suggestion until we’ve actually seen an episode. But if you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Don’t forget that Takei himself wasn’t big on JJ Sulu being made gay (please read his statements on it if you need to, what he says makes perfect sense) and if watch the scene itself it isn’t even clear. The fact that the media played it up was pandering to get to “sjw” crowd to the movie.

            And like I already mentioned, those aspects from Scotty and Chekov were mostly comic relief.

            I have read things over the years that put doubts on the MLK story happening exactly like that, it seems to have been embellished a lot, but even so how much of Uhura’s dialogue/ character was about that? She was a competent crew member that just happened to be black. See how much better that is than, say, Leslie Jones type “I’m black and mad as hell and the captain y’all”

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I am familiar with Takei’s statements. He wasn’t all for it but he sure was vocal about it which ultimately drew attention to it. In my mind, the Kelvinverse being an alternate universe, there is nothing at all to suggest that despite how Takei played the character in the PRIME universe, there is no reason that the KELVIN universe version wasn’t gay or bisexual. You are formed by your experiences. Kelvin Sulu had a different life than Prime Sulu did.

            I personally don’t see a problem with that. But I respect that people do.

            You did mention those and they may but it was a part of the development of the characters. Scotty wore a kilt as part of his dress uniform. He played the frikkin bagpipes at Spock’s funeral. How are either of those NOT part of the character development AND comedic? I don’t get it. Chekov, I am admittedly more inclined to agree with you. But the character was there for, yes, comedy, but also served a purpose in trying to show, “Hey, you see! We hate Russians now. But maybe they’re a future where we can work together with them!” That sure sounds like an attempt at social reform nudging to me.

            Still, I see nothing to suggest anywhere that Sonequa Martin-Green is playing this character as you suggest outside of potentially one out of context line in the CBS upfront trailer. Sorry, but I just don’t. And I still don’t see any evidence to support the idea that these traits certain people are getting so upset about are a big deal in-universe.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Fair enough, you make a decent point about Chekov and working with Russians, Roddenberry even stated that was part of the reason for his inclusion, but notice the show itself didn’t oversell it or get preachy about it. Scotty with the kilt was minor, just a character touch, and when he played bagpipes most prominently , it was about honoring Spock.

            And I actually liked how Beyond handled that, the media made a bigger show of it than the movie itself did, but Discovery isn’t Beyond.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            It was still part of Scotty’s character that is based upon the fact that he’s a Scot. That’s what we’re discussing.

            I agree. Beyond is not Discovery. But you’re still avoiding my point: The problem here is we’re comparing the in-universe explanation and scenario, for which Discovery, we really have little to none at this point to the behind the scenes explanations, which yeah, may be a little bit in the SJW-ness of it all, which is what Star Trek really has always been about and I’ve listed half a dozen examples of and could list more (the Kirk/Uhura kiss, having Dax kiss a woman, “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield”, and I could go on) where social movement has been done in-universe and behind the scenes.

            Please explain to me how this is different. You have not done that.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Star Trek hasn’t been SJW; they explored a lot of issues but they didn’t come at them or make statements on the issues the way SJWs that are around now do. Big example I can name: Bell riots episodes, those episodes are very well done and actually surprisingly prescient but look at how it is done: We are obviously supposed to side most with Sisko and Bashir but the other characters and issues are dealt with in depth and Dick Miller gets a nice arc, there is no overall “one side good, the other side completely bad” like would be seen in an SJW production now.

            If you need examples watch interviews with Roddenberry and , say, something like the students at Evergreen College to see the huge difference in what Roddenberry was doing and what these current SJW are doing and how they go about it, communicate.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I knew Gene Rodenberry. And if you had called him a SJW, he would have taken it as a complement. Gene was an Ultimate SJW Extraordinaire.

            And Gene didn’t suffer fools,

          • Pedro Ferreira

            If Gene didn’t suffer fools why did he let a terrible lawyer run Star Trek TNG? I don’t think you know him as well as you think you do.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Perhaps the current definition of SJW is the incorrect statement but still, Star Trek has always pushed the bounds of social norms. I think that’s the point I wanted to make. But still, if you don’t think Roddenberry was a socialist… Consider the basic tenets of TNG: no money, no conflict, everyone got along in peace an harmony, no matter the race or color. (Admittedly, creed was something Roddenberry put to the side because he didn’t believe in religion.)

            Perhaps pre-SJW is what Roddenberry believed in AND what Star Trek has been about. But pushing the social boundaries has always been present in Trek… since 1966 on!

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Socialist? When has if Roddenberry has ever been a socialist or not ever been part of this or anything I’m talking about? I never mentioned any of that.

            Again, even IF Roddenberry had certain he went about them completely differently to how current SJWS present themselves/ get their views across and the stated intentions of Discovery producers, some of the moments in the trailers.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            You’re correct. You didn’t. It made sense to me last night why I brought that up. Sadly it does not now. Please just ignore that.

            I’ve conceded the point that the producers have probably made statements that can be seen as through a “SJW” lens just as I’ve suggested that other Star Trek productions could be seen trying to nudge social norms. I did that fairly early on in the conversation. We don’t need to keep bringing it up.

            But I still really don’t know what you’re taking about IN the trailers except for possibly one out of context line that MAY or may not fall into those categories. What precisely are you talking about?

          • mr joyce

            he doesnt know what hes talking about, thats why hes not providing any evidence to support his claims

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I’m starting to believe that may be the case.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            In general, I think people (and characters) should be judged on merit/ personality, not skin color.

            But of course “sjws”/ identity politics crowd says the opposite at the moment.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I do agree with that. But I still do not see how these CHARACTERS apply. The behind the scenes commentary? Probably. But not the characters themselves. And as I’ve suggested, while its more vocal (mainly because you’re not going to talk about that stuff in the 1960s), how the creation of these characters is any different in 2017 with Discovery.

          • mr joyce

            how do you know if this is a defining trait of the new shows characters/dialogue if you haven’t seen the show yet?

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            If you haven’t seen the show yet, how do you know it isn’t?

          • mr joyce

            you said it yourself, i havent seen the show yet, you see, answering a question with a question does not validate your point in any way.

            but the difference between you and me is that im not presenting my ideas as fact based on no evidence. the conclusions you have been coming to are baseless.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Evidence, easy to see, is what the producers of Discovery have said their intentions of the show are and scenes, dialogue from the trailers.

          • mr joyce

            huh? dialogue from the trailers? you are not serious are you? you really think that the dialogue from the trailers is focused upon the diversity of the cast? and this is evidence enough for you? there is no focus upon the diversity of the cast in the dialogue of the trailers whatsoever.

            and even if there was, why is it such an issue for you that you are clogging up these message boards with your poorly put together arguments?

            you are simply confusing the marketing with what is actually in the show….WHICH NO ONE HAS SEEN

            now im sure you dont know what you are talking about

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Boring conversation anyway

          • mr joyce

            says the guy who started the discussion with his poorly put together arguments

      • DC Forever

        Exactly! That’s a huge part of Star Trek, obviously.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Like, duh! That dude needs some remedial education on Rodenberry’s history of getting minorities on the show — that what Star Trek is founded on.

        The 50 Years Oral history book from last year nailed this. Star Trek is about SJW action, and it’s proud of it.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        There’s social justice and there’s this show.

    • DC Forever

      We are all getting really tired of you baiting us with your political agenda here.

      Obviously you like it when people respond to your asinine posts, because then you get the platform you desire to “re-educate” all of us.

      I believe you actually lack confidence in your views — hence you need to put Trek IDIC and it’s followers down here to self-validate your views.

      How about posting about another topic for a change? This is all you ever bring to the table here, in article after article. We all get your “anti-PC” message — message received! Move on and start discussing Star Trek.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Why do you have bring your political shtick to this discussion about the Monologue?

      And there are multiple photos of here smiling — what the hell are you talking about?

  • Star Fox

    If you want to make this Successful do it properly in other words give the fans what they want but not in the way they want it, Rule Number 1. Put the series in the Original Timeline TOS to Nemesis for the trekies, after that ignore the trekies and that brings me to Rule Number 2. make a darker bleaker Future for the mainstream audiences because mainstream audiences look at Star Trek and go ”Meh this is too peaceful and Cerebral I want something Darker edgier more action oriented and something that is simple to grasp that does not involve deep thinking. Just make a show that follows Cannon go far into the Future so you can bring in the Old fans and after that throw out the rules for the new Fans, simple to grasp.

    • TUP

      I disagree. I dont think mainstream (ie, non core Trek fans) see it as too peaceful. TVH did great and was arguably the most light, peaceful film in the franchise.

      If anything, non fans see Trek two way: 1) nerdy 2) complicated.

      Now, they see Star Wars as nerdy too. But cool nerdy. Im not sure The Big Bang Theory did Star Trek any favours. Trek fans are seen as nerds who argue over the smallest thing. (which is true ha)

      And complicated in that non fans dont think they can enjoy it. Thats why, I think, Paramount went with a reboot and why CBS went with the TOS era – its the most widely known.

      It really doesnt matter if CBS makes a great series if no one watches it. It has to attract a wider audience.

      I have friends who saw 2009 because of good word of mouth and liking the actors and they were surprised they enjoyed it. Same friends saw STID and said it wasnt as good and they didnt “get it”. When I explained the whole Khan back story, one friend said she wished it had been explained better because it sounds better knowing everything.

      I also wouldnt be too quick to write Discovery off as just an action/war story. Those of us here, we’re not really who they are marketing too right now. They dont have to try very hard to educate us about a new series. They are doing what they have to to market the series to everyone else.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Use of cannons in warfare were largely discontinued starting at the end of the 19th century, so I doubt they would be re-introduced in future centuries.

    • Kirksdeadjim

      How do you know what the fans want? Do you speak for all of them?

      • Pedro Ferreira

        He speaks for everyone because he’s arrogant that’s why.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Yep, good points.

  • TIG1701

    They are now going all out with the promos. Its nice to see.

  • GIBBS v2

    That was unexpectedly awesome.

  • TUP

    They’re doing a better job promoting this series than Paramount did promoting Beyond!

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Well that bar was set very low! Beyond had the worst marketing I have seen since John Carter — another pretty good film that had horrid marketing that doomed its box office.

      • TUP

        My impression was paramount was not confident in beyond and was basically cutting their losses. Relying on the core fans to support it but not willing to throw any money at it.

        That’s why I think it’s unlikely they do another film anytime soon unless there is a shake up. Bad robot takes too much off the top and delivers slick but mediocre Trek films

        STID really set this franchise back.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          I think it may have more to do with Paramount imploding business-wise last year, and the Redstone/CEO thing as well.

          You know it’s weird. I don’t like STID, but it felt like a really big film. I liked Beyond, but it felt like a minor film.

  • Tobias Severn

    Where Discovery sits in the timeline allows older versions of Enterprise characters to make cameos occasionally. Similar to the way TNG did with a couple TOS characters. I’m excited for the possibilities.

    • TIG1701

      Yes this is true. I hope we get to see Archer pop up in the pilot. It would be fun to see others show up later on just as they did with the old TOS guys on TNG.

      • Armand Laroche

        Yeah and the character could still be alive, I read somewhere and there is question to whether this is Canon or not, That the character died shortly after attending the christening of NCC-1701 Enterprise in 2245.

        • Tom

          I would still like them to do a Shatner cameo. How cool would it be if somehow Kirk came back to see NCC-1701 christened along with Archer.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Kirk is like 20 years old during this time-frame…sorry, but that makes no sense.

            However, having a cameo where Shat plays Kirks father or grandfather would be cool. But they should wait for season 2, and I don’t think that want that sort of media distraction for the inaugural season.

          • Tom

            TSFO
            It would be hard to do and would require a time travel story of some kind to have Shatner do that and observe the christening. It wouldn’t be the 20 year old Kirk although maybe they could have the 20 year old Kirk of that time be there to see off the Enterprise and Capt Pike.
            Definitely anything would be more second season regarding a guest appearance like Shatner. Hopefully he is still his energetic self

          • TUP

            I’d take William Shatner in any role if I had to. But I’d prefer he play OUR James T Kirk. Its science fiction. They can write a good story. If they can’t, they should be replaced.

            I do agree that they should wait. I hate saying that because Shatner isnt getting any younger though he appears to be 20 years younger than he is. But honestly, if its me, if we could make a deal with Shatner, I’d feature him in a major second-season story arc.

            I’d take some inspiration from The Force Awakens where Luke Skywalker appeared for a few seconds but was actually the main driving force of the entire film. You could do a storyline where James Kirk was very important but the actor was only needed for X amount of screen time. Still important, but I mean, you dont have to have Shatner in every episode to feature his character or story.

            Yes, it would mean time travel most likely. But its sort of a staple of Star Trek.

            One idea I had hoped for in the original concept was, rather then being set in this era, to set it in the Enterprise-B era. Open with the ship having just limped back from the mission that “killed” Kirk and deal with that. Allows for some cameos. Allows the memory of Kirk to loom over the series in a way. An era we know little about. A cool ship. etc.

          • Tom

            TUP
            You are correct that they will eventually do a Time Travel story. Why not go with Shatner. Totally agree make it a seasonal arc where he appears a few times. I agree too it should wait til next season but again you are correct that the age is always a concern. So maybe they could have just introduced the way he appears in this season and if all goes well continue the longer arc next year

        • TUP

          If I recall, the information concerning Archer’s death was revealed in a read out on screen in the Mirror Universe. So more or less canon.

          But if Archer were to appear in Discovery, it’s a reasonable retcon as “died shortly after” is open to interpretation.

          T’Pol is the easier cameo as she would not be to old. Archer would be very, very old. But there is a rumor about a certain cameo in the premiere…

          • Tom

            Hey TUP
            where are you seeing the rumor on the cameo Trek BBS? is it credible?. too bad it isn’t the Shat :(. I had high hopes Fuller was going to do something special. Who knows what happened with that idea after he left.

          • TUP

            I believe I first heard it here. Someone said it was being discussed on BBS by a person who had previously revealed correct “inside” info. I never did find it myself. But the rumor was a specific Enterprise-era character cameo on the premiere of Discovery.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Don’t get your hopes up, Discovery has gone out of it’s way to distance itself from any actual continuity. Even Michael Dorn had to say no.

  • Mo

    A good message.

  • Vger64

    Is that music part of the main theme?

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    You know I just got done watching this video from Collider about Star Wars, and some of the hosts on there talk about how they put things in the star wars universe under the Disney regime that are cool, but don’t quite feel like Star Wars, and I think that is part of the problem with this, because of the aesthetic and because of the once again reboot (or how I’ve heard this series spun). I mean depending how this plays out, could you have slapped any old name on it, and it would still be great or garbage, I don’t know still too early to say. but would someone in a promo please smile or look happy before i’m depressed to tears by everything I see about this thing. As a longtime trek fan, like this is the most forbodding feeling I’ve eve gotten from Trek. I mean gosh even the Dominion War story didn’t start till season 3/4. I’m not saying there isn’t a sense of wonder but if they’re selling it I’m not buying it because I don’t feel it. This of course doesn’t mean i’m not going to give it a chance, I didn’t care for Voyager too much either but I’ve seen I think every last episode, and no I don’t think the monologue does the original or the TNG version of the original justice enough.

    It’s been shy of 14 years since we’ve seen Star Trek on the small screen, and I wonder if this time like last TOS > TNG that we are just getting dichotomy shift because the world has changed. As much as I want my old Trek back and make no mistake this isn’t old trek. it isn’t coming back it’s gone, we got what we got and that’s it, and nothing can take that away. But what I ask CBS and the writers is please take care of this franchise that I love and my father before me. It has provided much entertainment over the years, some laughs and for episodes like “The Inner Light” some hearty tears as well. I would say to the writers, write something compelling, something interesting and something heartfelt. Please don’t just make it a bunch of Social Justice Memes that at the end of the day are written off and in twenty years may mean squat. Please make something that is lasting and timeless and something that even 20 or 40 years later if the particular analogue isn’t necessarily understood the moral of the message comes through loud and clear.

    and to everyone else I would say even if you have issues with it, like I do from news and rumors that are spread out across this internet give it a chance, Don’t taste the soufflés before it’s cooked if you will.

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