Continuing Star Trek: Discovery‘s trend of splashing across magazine covers this last month, Hollywood mainstay Variety sets sensors on the upcoming new series for their monthly issue’s newest cover piece – also featuring some lovely new imagery from the Toronto-based sets.

Variety’s Daniel Holloway covered a lot of the Discovery behind-the-scenes backstory we’ve heard before, but included some new details to round out some of those tales in his reporting.

Revealed is one emphasis of July’s Comic-Con presentations: to take fans’ minds off of the seemingly never-ending production holdups and realign expectations to the September premiere.

Heading into Comic-Con, CBS’ short-term objective was to flip the “Discovery” narrative, which had become about delays and departures. It got a galaxy-class narrative flipper in the form of Martin-Green, who emerged as the star of a packed San Diego panel featuring cast and producers.

Taking up the mantle of “Trek” heroes past, Martin-Green handily dismissed trolls who complained about an African-American woman leading a “Star Trek” series. She cited the franchise’s long record of inclusion and social progressivism.

“If you say you love the legacy of ‘Star Trek’ but you don’t love that, then you’ve missed it,” she told the crowd.

In addition, series stars Sonequa Martin-Green and Jason Isaacs detailed their initial reactions to joining the Discovery crew, and the decades-old Star Trek franchise.

Martin-Green:

Anyone doing a new iteration of ‘Star Trek,’ you have to understand how deep it is; you have to understand how important it is. You have to understand how much of a pillar it is to our culture.

When I first got started, I had my freak-out phase. I had my almost catatonic moment where I thought, ‘What is happening?’ And I knew very quickly that I couldn’t live there and that I couldn’t create [in that mindset].

I owed it to the story and I owed it to the legacy to get it together. And I had to focus myself in gratitude. I had to focus myself on the passion for the vision for the story that we’re doing.

Isaacs:

The world is complicated and horrible, and I don’t know how to explain to my children the insanity of the people who are in charge of it at the moment.

I thought [‘Star Trek: Discovery’] was a good story to tell — and something I would be happy to watch — about presenting a vision of the world that’s full of drama but also full of resolution and unity.

Michelle Yeoh, Jason Isaacs, and Sonequa Martin-Green on the DISCOVERY sets. (Photos: Caitlin Cronenberg/Variety)

In addition to the cast comments, Variety’s story also reveals more layers behind the now-infamous departure of series creator Bryan Fuller, here laying the blame more towards Fuller’s capabilities to meet CBS’s showrunner expectations for this behemoth of a series, including repeated overruns of script development timelines and budgetary allowances.

The official line is that Fuller departed via a mutual and amicable decision to focus on his other project, Starz’s “American Gods.”

He is still listed as co-creator of “Discovery” alongside executive producer Alex Kurtzman, who speaks glowingly of him. He shares a story credit with Kurtzman on the premiere, as well as a screenplay credit with another exec producer, Akiva Goldsman. CBS Corp. CEO Leslie Moonves calls him “brilliant.”

But sources close to Fuller and within CBS say that he was pushed out. Fuller is known as an innovative showrunner and the creator of critically adored television such as “Hannibal.” He is not known as someone who prioritizes deadlines and budgets above all else. In short: He is not a typical CBS showrunner. (Fuller declined to comment.)

Fuller failed to deliver scripts months after they were due. In September, he and Kurtzman met with Moonves to deliver the news that “Discovery” would not make the January premiere he had been publicly touting. Moonves accepted the delay, though not happily. “It wasn’t his favorite news, but he totally understood,” Kurtzman says.

A month later, Fuller was gone.

And speaking of budgets, Variety reports that the average episode of Discovery has climbed from earlier estimates of $6 million per episode, with single sets taking up huge amounts of the allotted budget.

Creating its environments involves doing more than scouting an appropriate Irish castle. The level of detail on the sets is exacting — to the point that visitors so inclined could convince themselves at times that they were not on a set. That exactitude proved more time-consuming than anticipated.

“Discovery” shoots at Toronto’s Pinewood Studios on multiple soundstages, one of which is the largest in North America. It is possible to get lost in the tangle of corridors and rooms that make up the starships Discovery and Shenzhou. The set for a third, a Klingon starship, cost $3 million.

Like a big sci-fi feature, “Discovery” hasn’t been cheap: The average episode costs $8 million-$8.5 million. “It was like shooting a movie, the scale of it,” [Michelle] Yeoh says of making the pilot, which was directed by David Semel, who clashed with Fuller. “It wasn’t just ‘Quick, let’s get the shot. Move, move.’”

The first clear look at the USS Discovery bridge set. (Photo: Caitlin Cronenberg/Variety)

Showrunners Aaron Harberts and Gretchen Berg, who took the helm of the series after Fuller’s departure, have also begun to map out the next phase of Discovery – and even the one after that, starting to think ahead to a potential second and third season of the show, expecting a renewal of the series already.

They sought Fuller’s blessing before accepting the showrunner job. “The only reason we stayed was because we believed in Bryan’s vision,” Harberts says. “So many people had already been giving so much, and there was something about handing this over to someone who hadn’t been involved in any of it and having that person just wipe the slate completely clean.”

Though no renewal is yet official, Berg and Harberts have a road map for season two and the beginnings of one for season three. They are Trekkers now.

In addition to the behind the scenes cast and creatives info we’ve highlighted here, Variety’s report also dives into the status of CBS All Access and its expectations for success in the growing digital marketplace; CBS president Les Moonves weighed in on the shifting broadcast landscape.

In 2008, advertising accounted for 66% of all CBS Corp. revenue. In 2016, that number fell to 48%. Affiliate and subscription fees made up 22% of revenue for the company last year versus 9% in 2008.

Moonves has spent the last few years shifting CBS away from a dependency on dwindling TV ad dollars. Licensing content to Netflix and other streaming services has been one source of revenue, but those services are increasingly focused on their own original programming. With All Access, CBS reaps more per subscriber than what it gets in retransmission fees for its linear-television products.

“It was no surprise to us that Netflix would eventually take this route into a greater and greater percentage of original content, which is why it’s important for us to produce original content for All Access going forward,” Moonves says.

You can read more comments from Martin-Green, Harberts, Berg, and Moonves at the Variety report, which arrived today.

  • Thomas Elkins

    That bridge is huge. Have they revealed how big the ship actually is or is there just speculation right now? TrekYard’s, if I’m not mistaken, said it appeard to be about as long and wide as a Constitution-class. I wonder when they will say for sure?

    • Locutus

      I can’t say I am in love with the bridge design. It seems too big and spread out, almost empty.

      • Simon

        When on screen and “in use” (fully staffed) and depending on what lenses are used it will look a lot different than in the magazine.

        • Locutus

          I hope so.

      • Your Worst Nightmare

        I imagine there’s some lens work here that makes it look larger than it actually is. Plus, ya know, adding people crowds spaces. :p

      • Pedro Ferreira

        And dark.

        • Locutus

          Perhaps it will look a little brighter on screen when the stage is fully lit.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            From the trailer I’m not hopeful. Unfortunately modern TV and film suffers badly from extreme lighting or lack of lighting, along with desaturated picture quality.

          • Locutus

            The desaturated picture quality is also a personal pet peave. I notice it in the Marvel movies for one thing. If you are trying to put vibrant comic pages up onto the big screen, they particularly should not suffer from desaturation.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Movies not just comic book ones generally can’t do colours right. It’s a mix of digital grading and directors using those awful Arri Alexa cameras to shoot stuff. Same goes for TV shows today.

    • The scale is a pure guess based off the billboard image of her standing on the saucer. Some us pinned it down( based off guesswork) to about 220 to 280 meters, without the nacells. Which would put it smaller than the TOS connie scale, although longer with those nacells

      • A_Warrior_of_Marley

        The Discovery type ship is to the Constitution class as the Sovereign class is to the Galaxy class of the 24th century; one is slightly longer, but far more slim.

        • Not sure I agree. The Discovery is not slim really. I think it might be smaller, but its not a slimmer design.

  • Quintillion Tesla

    In some ways, the bridge of the Discovery reminds me of the USS EXCELSIOR from Star Trek 3 – so maybe some experimental handiwork going on with the ship perhaps?

    • Harry Kane

      Yeah but this is not the TMP era, its meant to be late ENT early TOS. They have not thought one bit about scale and how to be smart and blend it in, they just are making something which looks flashy and thats it

  • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

    Star search? Well a star search reboot would probably be better than this…

    • prometheus59650

      Since you’ve seen every episode, tell us more.

      • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

        The defensive fans…who haven’t seen it either and love to criticize the other shows

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          So, we should just love everything that came before 2009? And not have any interest or excitement in what’s come since or is yet to come? Is THAT what a “true fan” is? Because I’ve been asking. And no one ever answers me.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            These weasels who claim they “true fans” ( we see them in the comments on this site ) are just ghastly.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Yeah, I don’t know if I want to be a “true fan.” But I’d like to know what makes one. :p

        • prometheus59650

          You mean criticize the show’s we’ve actually SEEN?

          Yes.

          I can specifically criticize all of the other shows form Voyager’s general crappiness, to a lot of early Enterprise, to the fact that, based on content, people could have probably done without a 7th season of TNG.

          Fans hold many considered opinions on shows they’ve seen.

          Because that’s how it works.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            And that’s the joy of not being a hive mind and agreeing with everyone all the time.

            Spoiler Alert: TWOK is not my favorite Trek movie! *gasp* I await the calls for my lynching or being called a witch. :p

          • prometheus59650

            No…

            You’re just not a “real fan.”

            (I kid. 🙂 )

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Hehehe. Wouldn’t be the first time someone told me that. :p

          • M33

            TWOK is good, but Khan is overrated as a villain in my opinion. And I wish Hollywood would stop using him as a benchmark for what makes Star Trek good. EXPLORATION is what makes Star Trek good!

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            TWOK is fine. It’s just not my favorite. I agree that exploration is what makes Star Trek good. And it’s not JUST Hollywood which uses Khan as a benchmark. There is a certain amount of fans who do too.

            I enjoy the Kelvin films. But I won’t deny the fact they are action films. But at the end of the day, so is TWOK. So is First Contact. So are Insurrection and Nemesis. And two of those are considered by some to be the best Trek has to offer.

            And if you look at teaser trailers for TNG, DS9 and certainly Voyager, you definitely get the idea that they are rather action-oriented. And nevermind the fact that TOS was considered to be an action-adventure series set in a futuristic sci-fi setting. So while I agree that exploration is what makes Trek special, we can’t forget what Star Trek has been in many cases over the past 51 years.

          • M33

            Its a combo of both, and Trek works best when the two are balanced.
            But look at the post FC films. Every single one was basically revenge stories trying to outdo Khan.
            We are long overdue for a villian-less film in the spirit of IV (which is still the highest grossing Trek film adjusted for inflation).

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I don’t disagree. Even though TVH is not my favorite either, I respect and appreciate the fact it is most accessible entry in the series.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Nobody cares about saving whales any more (starts crying).

          • TUP

            Ricardo was tremendous in the over-acting, scene-chewing charismatic villain. And WoK was more than just a revenge plot. It had an interesting story to tell about aging, the pursuit of scientific work versus military, morality, loss etc.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Generations all the way for me.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Except you are pretty blindly shilling for the new show when you haven’t seen it yet either.

            Voyager and Enterprise are good, your criticism of Voyager is “not BSG” and early seasons of Enterprise? It’s supposed to be Right Stuff, new frontier style and it captured that really well

          • prometheus59650

            I like what I’ve seen so far and it amuses me to poke holes in the logic of blind haters, especially the timeline zombies.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            “Timeline zombies ” but you likely have problems with Enterprise and the timeline, yes ?

          • prometheus59650

            Not at all.

            Not since I’ve accepted that after dozens of timeline transgressions in 50 years of Trek, the Archer timeline is what’s going forward. and that’s clearly different from the 1966 timeline.

            No Eugenics War…no go-go boots. That timeline is done. Even TNG and DS9 don’t mention all that and Voyager literally physically verifies that, in the timeline it’s living in, it all never happened.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            You love to bring up the go go boots…

          • prometheus59650

            And?

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Not to mention the mirror Episodes have TOS look

          • prometheus59650

            Since there are an infinite number of parallel universes.

            Even TNG’s second season confirmed that it wasn’t taking place in Kirk’s 1966 universe, specifically, “Where Silence Has Lease.”

          • TUP

            There is only one main universe. The Prime. Let’s not argue over silliness. Enterprise is the same universe as TOS and TNG etc

          • prometheus59650

            No, it isn’t.

            Not anymore.

            We’re not going to agree, so I am not going to engage you over it beyond…no. The Eugenics War never happened in the TNG timeline. Kirk never even encountered the giant space amoeba in Picard’s universe.

          • TUP

            We can agree to disagree. And if you said its your “head canon” then great. I totally get that. But within the continuity of Star Trek, obviously, they have not created multiple time lines for each series. There is Prime and Enterprise – Discovery (unless they are holding a twist back) – TOS – TNG, DS9 – Voy are all the same “Prime Universe”.

            That is a fact. Its true. We can adjust things unofficially in our minds to make it fit for us and help us enjoy it more if it bothers us. But we can’t will reality to change for the franchise because we dont like it.

          • prometheus59650

            It’s not my head canon. It’s right there. There was no war and Kirk did not, apparently, have the same experiences as depicted in TOS.

            “Continuity” in Star Trek is largely an oxymoron.

          • TUP

            Nope. It’s all prime.

          • prometheus59650

            Nope.

            Voyager confirms it. TNG confirms it at least twice. DS9 confirms it.

            Moving on now.

          • TUP

            Moving on is a good idea. There is only Prime. Discovery is Prime. This has been confirmed numerous times. The producers etc have the option of changing that of course.

            The only time the other series’ werent in the Prime Universe, they specifically stated they weren’t. Which is further evidence to the original point. Everything is Prime unless otherwise stated.

            Opinions can vary. But facts don’t.

          • prometheus59650

            Yes.

            The Primeverse is Archer’s timeline because everything follows that (TNG, DS9, and VOY) and not Kirk’s WWIII timeline.

            Each show states as much. Voyager beamed onto a beach rather than a burned out wasteland. Scotty in TNG had no idea Kirk was dead.

            There are numerous others.

            Sorry. Those are fact’s. Those shows reference one another, but contradict TOS.

            Observably, it’s TOS that’s the tangent.

          • TUP

            Nope. Kirk and Archer exist in the same timeline.

            You’ve come up with a fun and interesting “fan fiction” or “head canon” explanation for why there are continuity and canon contradictions over the span of a 50 year franchise. But none of that changes the creative intent that every series and film takes place in the same Prime Universe unless otherwise specifically stated on screen (ie. Mirror, Kelvin).

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            It’s called being excited with what we see. Just because we don’t automatically condemn the series does that mean we are going to love the series. We don’t know yet.

            But of course there is only black and white. No shades of grey.

          • TUP

            This is exactly it. These whiners will NEVER admit the series is good when they watch it IF they like it. They simply wont. its a personal pride issue now. They want to be right, instead of honest.

            If Discovery sucks, Ill be here on day 1 saying so.

            My assumption is there will be things I like and things I dont. My hope is the former is far more than the latter. We shall see. We shall SEE when we SEE the series.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            EXACTLY!

          • Pedro Ferreira

            And that’s what’s great about opinions, everybody has them!

          • prometheus59650

            Except that when you base them on nothing, they only matter to you.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Opinions are opinions and yours are just that.

          • prometheus59650

            Mine are based on evidence. Yours are not.

            In a month you’ll still hate the show, but you’ll at least have reasons.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I criticise based on what I’ve seen, what’s been promoted so yeah I have evidence just like you.

          • TUP

            Opinions are great. and 99% of people here understand that. The few, such as yourself, that want your opinion to be taken as fact and get really angry and worked up when it isnt, is the problem. Facts are facts, Your perception of a fact doesnt change that. It just means you’re wrong. 😉

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I offer my opinion based on what I see. It’s not meant to be fact, it’s ‘opinion’. I do understand what the word means unlike you it seems.

      • Wait, he’ll bring up how the bridge looks xindi

        • Quintillion Tesla

          Or he’ll mention again how Soneqa Martin Green never smiles ( even though she does. Time and time again, she smiles ).

  • M33

    I’m curious.
    Is that a turbolift directly behind the captain’s chair?
    A very unusual design choice.

    The contours oare nice

    • Simon

      USS RELIANT had the turbolift in back of the Captain, as well as Captain Styles’ EXCELSIOR.

      • M33

        Given the track record of what happened to both of those ships, that doesn’t necessarily bode well…

        • Harry Kane

          USS Excelsior design was still around in the 24th century as was the miranda refit class, so the track record of both ships is sound.

          • M33

            But the bridge layouts for both those ships changes after II and III.
            After that, with no turbolift directly behind, those ships lasted for a long time.
            With the turbolift behind the captains chair, they didn’t do so well.
            Meaningless, maybe, but hey…

    • It makes some sense with the model. If you recall they kinda put it in a big sphere.

      • M33

        The saucer section with the center attached by spindly struts is so strange. What an easy target for attackers to seriously cripple the ship.
        Surely they must have designed it with some purpose, like the middle detaches like the battle bridge did in TNG, but even then it was tactically hidden.
        It is a very weird design, like design for design’s sake.
        It’s the only starship I’ve ever felt that way about.

        • It is designed for designs sake. As its a TV show. Rule of cool and all that.

          • Mykeprime

            It’ll also give them a better way of showing location through the ships windows. Rather than an empty star scape, you’ll see more bits of the ship and have an idea of whereabouts they are. That’s what I assume they’ll do anyway…

          • Yeah, but I lump that up with design. All the ships are designed to look good and go by the ruleof cool. And doing as you suggest is another cool thing to show off the design,

          • James

            A bit like the DS9 design, where the pylons being so far from the core makes it as inefficient as possible to move heavy ore to and from docked ships. Looked darned cool though 🙂

          • Yep, the very same

    • Locutus

      I bet it is the door to the Captain’s “Ready Room,” which would actually be an improvement! He enters right onto the bridge in a flash as the center of attention. There is another door off to the right which seems like the more traditional turbolift or crew entry point.

      From a filming standpoint, it would seem odd for it to be a turbolift or other crew entry point. When people emerged onto the bridge in TOS and TNG, they were not obscured by the Captains chair or other stations. It was a clear view. I always thought that was the reason for it being off-center. If it is indeed a turbolift, folks will enter directly behind the Captain and be obscured and have to walk around him. Awkward.

      God forbid it’s an enemy, they could lop off Lorca’s head before he even knew it! Unless, of course, we want his head to be lopped off after a few episodes … 😉

      • M33

        LOL Your last part was something that occurred to me last night about the potential danger!

        • TUP

          Hopefully enemies dont have access to the bridge through the turbolift.

          • M33

            What about mutinous crew?

          • TUP

            Hopefully thats not a big concern either. if it is, they could also shoot the Captain in the bathroom or the bowling alley or the mess hall, no?

          • M33

            LOL
            The old gun in the bathroom trick…

          • Locutus

            Yeah, BIG problems afoot if that’s the case.

  • I dig it , a bit large but understandable. Very much of the ENT/ USS Kelvin style

  • Armand Laroche

    Damn you could play football on that bridge… I dislike the Kelvin design so much, licensing wise fine I understand but I still feel shagrinned.

    • There is no licensing issue at all here. They just went with an ENT inspired design. They also went with a cage era colors.

      • Armand Laroche

        I’m watching Enterprise currently, I know enterprise, I like enterprise and this is no Enterprise. In the photo some of the bridge is cut off on the left side, but if I had to take a guess that set is pretty large, space wise for continuity sake probably larger than it should be. it’s the STO MMO bridge of television productions. don’t mind me I get bent out of shape for silly stuff like this, I had a problem with the phasers in the new Star Trek movies, because they seemed more like Star Wars blasters.

        • TUP

          If they are going for a wide screen cinematic shooting style, it makes sense that it’s wide. If they have story elements that will focus on the individual stations and their crew, it makes sense to have them sort of “off to the side” for filming.

        • No, it is very much ENT styling with cage colors. You are gstting stuck in the size and not the details.

          • Harry Kane

            Then why did they have to mess the scaling up? The corridors of the shenzou or discovory look all, wrong I do like the turbolift doors which evoke and late ENT look

          • Modern filming style man.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            You’re contracting yourself in what you’re saying. You’re comparing the bridge to the prequel show while saying it looks like The Cage yet when the above poster questions how they can look alike you use the modern filming style excuse. I can do that as well y’know (wink).

          • The size is due to modern filming stylings. The bridge could look bigger or smaller

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I forget the idea of visual continuity doesn’t mean much to you. So the ship’s bridge looks better due to the fact that Captain Lorca needs to have cameras dotted around to shot “action” and “cut” while Klingons are attacking? Yep, makes perfect sense. (rolls eyes).

          • Sets are made differently, that is simply a fact.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Well with the new show it is but that doesn’t mean it makes sense whatever you say.

          • Go on ignoring reality. It will not change it.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            The previous Trek shows were reality. You’re questioning those now?

          • If all you are gonna do is troll, I see no reason to respond.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I’m not trolling but pointing out they had more than enough space in previous shows to put cameras on the bridge. There is no valid reason to change other than it looked cool to do it that way.

          • Not modern multi camreas, no.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            What’s the difference? What’s so modern about these cameras apart from the added lens flare and desaturated picture?

          • TUP

            Why does Pedro have such trouble with the different between actual look and production technique? Its like, the Discovery bridge could be an exact replica of the Cage but have a bright green light and he’d go insane over how different it looks.

            Anyone still whining about visual continuity to a series made in the 60’s is so far removed from logic that there is no talking to them.

          • I am pretty sure he is just trolling. His arguments are Non sense. I gave him a color matched image and he complained on the lighting. Except he did not call it lighting.

          • TUP

            Yeah Im trying not to reply so much because I think he’s just trying to take me down with him lol

            The thing is, there ARE things we can be critical of us, but the overly negative, irrational whining by some undermines the legitimate things. Nothing will please those that have decided the series sucks and should die a quick death…

          • Oh yeah, there are always things ypu can be critical of. But having a modern designed set for modern filming, is not one of em.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          The Enterprise was more cramped.

      • Harry Kane

        It should be proper ENT (Late ENT begining of ENT improved TOS) Multicoloured UI Displays,

      • Pedro Ferreira

        How does that look like The Cage???

        • The color palette. As I stated

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Erm…not really but okay.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            So what does this prove? The new ship is a darker shade of blue compared to the original which was grey. And?

          • Color match. If you cant see that, you have no place trying to argue visual design.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            What colour match? Each has a different colour. One goes for blue, the other gray.

          • I gave you the images. It is color matched.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            One blue and one gray is not a colour match Shannon.

          • Son, plug it into photoshop.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Sure thing ‘Auntie’ does it come with purple, brown and pink as well?

          • Sigh. If you are not gonna do research and be honest, we are done.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            What research? I saw the pilot episode last Sunday! I think I can see a difference in colours.

          • You clearily do not deal with this stuff for a living.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I just experience it and observe. Sometimes I can be wrong definitely but I need actual proof to say I am.

          • I gave you color matched image.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            The Cage is more gray than blue while Discovery is mostly blue in it’s bridge colour.

    • Your Worst Nightmare

      What do you mean by licensing wise?

      • Armand Laroche

        The show falls under the bad robot reboot license (to my understanding) which is why some of the set design is inspired by the Bad Robot license (J.J. Trek) can make things look similar but can’t have them be exactly the same.

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          Okay, let me dig out my response for this statement. Short version: you’re wrong.

          Long version: The Kelvin timeline films were produced by Paramount Pictures, Bad Robot, Spyglass (Trek 09), Skydance (Into Darkness, Beyond), K/O Paper Products (Into Darkness), Alibaba Pictures (Beyond), and Huahua Media (Beyond).

          Discovery is produced by CBS, Secret Hideout, Living Deadguy Productions and Roddenberry Entertainment.

          The only connection between the two is Alex Kurtzman who wrote the first two Kelvin films and is Executive Producer on Discovery. That does not mean that the two are produced by the same production company. It doesn’t mean that Secret Hideout is secretly Bad Robot trying to destroy all of our childhoods. Its just not true.

          What this does mean is that Kurtzman and CBS have a good relationship as Kurtzman is EP on several other CBS shows (Scorpion, the cancelled Limitless, Salvation). It means that Kurtzman branched out on his own, which he’s totally in his right to do so. At 43, he is a big boy.

          This is not one big conspiracy theory. And I’m really getting tired of people assuming it is.

          • TUP

            Exactly. PLUS, there are some production people that did both I believe so yes, its understandable there is some similarity.

            But its Star Trek. Unless it was a RADICAL departure, common elements like ship design, sets, aliens etc will look pretty similar. Even if you play around the edges of the sandbox, its still the same sandbox.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            You are correct. I should change my response to say “The only connection IN THE WRITING between the two…”

          • Armand Laroche

            can we post links here, I know some places don’t like that if we do?

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I think you can.

            But please don’t post Midnight’s Edge videos. They are full of rumor and innuendo and are designed to be nothing short of controversial. There is no way to verify anything in them.

          • Armand Laroche

            Isn’t that the problem with any YouTube video out of Hollywood. Even John Campea who has ties to the industry, if he alludes to something you have to take it either at face value or with salt. the Midnight Edge stuff, well I leave the rumor stuff where it is )although I won’t lie I hope Nick Meyer is working on a series), but the things that they claim to know I take it with a grain of salt but it seems plausible. The one things those guys have said that I fully agree with is that Star Trek should be back under one roof again

            Oh and I don’t think I ever claimed it wasn’t star trek.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I agree with your thought that Trek should be under one roof. At the same time, I think the Khan/Nic Meyer thing might happen as a side project to Discovery, but that doesn’t mean I think it’s a good idea. In fact, far from it.

            As for YT videos, that’s my problem with them. But with these Midnight’s Edge videos, it just seems as though they are designed to pull together these disparate rumors which just sound as though they are designed by people who for some odd reason just don’t want to explain.

            Since December 2015, I have been familiar with a small group of “fans” who have continuously try to spread rumors about how both the Kelvin films were ending (this was before Beyond even started production), some crazy ideas about having several productions in the hopper at the same time that would return to the Berman era of Trek all that felt very fanboyish (honestly, a little like the Khan idea). Every time the date these projects would be officially “announced” passed without incident. And anytime anyone produced facts that supppanted their rumors, they would claim that they were being harassed and block those who disagreed with them.

            To make a long story short, these Midnight’s Edge rumors have the exact same tenor of voice that comes from these “fans.” And I take all of them not with grains of salt but entire bags of water softener salt because of it.

            Could I be wrong and these rumors be right? Absolutely! But I sincerely doubt it.

            And did I claim you suggested it wasn’t Star Trek? If I did, I apologize.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            A number of these characters on youtube are associated indirectly with Alec Peters and have sought to poo-poo DSC viciously ( Campea and Jon Schnepp ) and spread the behind-the-scenes rumours ( Schnepp ; both of these guys are friends with Axanar’s Robert Meyer Burnett ).

            The Midnight’s Edge guys have been just the worst.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I wasn’t going to bring that up. But you’re not wrong.

          • TIG1701

            The Khan TV show sounds like one of the worst ideas they could come up with. But I do think the JJ films are dead. Since Beyond bombed there has been little to no word about a sequel. An actor shows up every few months and say they hope to see another one but thats about as official it gets.

            Maybe Paramount will bite the bullet and do another but their complete silence is telling. Its already been a year since Beyond has opened. You think the folks running Star Wars is keeping quiet on their plans for Star Wars sequels for the next 20 years. But those actually make a lot of money.

            It may still happen, but wouldn’t hold your breath. Most of the old fans don’t like the movies and the new fans are not as tied to Star Trek. And they made the mistake of making them every 3-4 years instead of every 2 years. This isn’t the 80s anymore. Sequels come out sooner and people move on faster when they don’t.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I would rather Paramount took their time with movies. Quality over quantity. Whether or not they’ve managed to do that with the Kelvin films is, of course, in the eye of the beholder. Having said that, at this point, I will be surprised if there’s a fourth film.

          • TIG1701

            I don’t disagree but STID didn’t take 4 years due to ‘quality’ concerns. JJ decided to go off and shoot another movie instead when Paramount wanted it out by 2011. And obviously thats his right but it also proves these movies didn’t have the kind of overseer like other franchises do. They could’ve made the films a little closer to each other but they were always waiting on the Bad Robot to decide to make one and that lost its edge because the people they were trying to make them for kind of shrugged and moved on. Thats why every film kept dropping in the U.S. Americans cared a bit less with every film. Fans like us are going to see them no matter what but there is such a thing as striking while the iron is hot.

            Believe me, if they ever make anymore movies they will probably be way smarter of how they handle them, both creatively and behind the scenes.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            You’re not wrong.

          • TUP

            The Khan TV show idea sounds really odd. I could see it as a limited run, like a 6 episode thing. But that doesnt really serve the usual Trek production method since the idea is to continue to license the series forever and a “Big Little Lies” style series doesnt really allow for that. But I guess if its good for HBO, then why not CBS.

            My biggest concern would be casting. STID *really* got Khan wrong.

            There has been zero evidence to support this rumor though.

            JJ films…I dont know. if Paramount has the rights to make more and Pine & Quinto under contract, I’d think it would be hard for them to pass up another. But they seem completely clueless as to why Star Trek isnt a bigger hit.

            If Discovery is successful, maybe Paramount and CBS can make a deal whereby CBS produces a film for Paramount to distribute.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            You took the words right out of my mouth – the Midnight’s Edge vids specifically on DSC are just bold-faced lies – like the vids they’ve been touting about ‘Nick Meyer’s New Star Trek series to replace Discovery’.

          • TUP

            The only positive thing about those videos I can say is I wish I had thought of them. Attack a popular new series with nonsense, ensuring the usual suspects take the link far & wide. Reap the profits.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            They never attacked them, they are reporting the truth. What’s your problem? https://media.giphy.com/media/IgsXOXGPxfT3O/giphy.gif

          • TUP

            What makes you Think it’s the truth?

            And why do you seek out my posts to make snide responses to? You’re obsessed. That’s clearly your problem. Lol

          • Pedro Ferreira

            They clearly state what is reported info and what are rumours. You’re just whining because they’re not promoting your love of the new show. It’s okay to have a different opinion y’know.

          • TUP

            Yes. At when you figure out the difference between opinion and fact the better off you’ll be.

            It’s only you and people like you that have such a problem with differing opinions. Everyone else can agree and disagree and discuss and debate without issue. Grow up.

          • Pedro Ferreira
          • Pedro Ferreira

            “Long version: The Kelvin timeline films were produced by Paramount Pictures, Bad Robot, Spyglass (Trek 09), Skydance (Into Darkness, Beyond), K/O Paper Products (Into Darkness), Alibaba Pictures (Beyond), and Huahua Media (Beyond).

            Discovery is produced by CBS, Secret Hideout, Living Deadguy Productions and Roddenberry Entertainment.” Yet none of these studios know what a Star Trek bridge looks like. Ha, ha!

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Which has nothing to do with the point made.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            And is purely subjective.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Do I need to label everything I say with “my opinion”?

          • TUP

            We’ve seen the bridge of two ships from Discovery. Do you not know what a bridge looks like? Hint: there’s a pic in the story above.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Really? I didn’t know that TUP… http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/facepalm.gif

        • TUP

          That is not correct. Where do you get that idea from? bad Robot has nothing to do with it. Why would CBS license Bad Robot’s IP when they own the vast majority of Star Trek including the main license?

    • Pedro Ferreira

      One is too bright, one is too dark. No one ever heard of proper lighting?

  • pittrek

    Huh? “Martin-Green handily dismissed trolls who complained about an African-American woman leading a “Star Trek” series”

    Who the F*** complained about that??? Are you seriously trying to turn it into Ghostbusters 2016 where every criticism was automatically called misogyny?

    • There were a few stories on this. Yes, groups did complain on this and called it a “white genocide”

    • Quintillion Tesla

      A number of these characters HAVE appeared in the boards of several genre news websites – I’ve seen it myself over many months. Some have even appeared/do appear here too, and their poisonous attacks are very thinly veiled.

      I’m glad you may not have been witness to it, but it does exist, I assure you.

    • I don’t blame Martin-Green for feeding the trolls. The mainstream media are to blame for totally overrating those isolated racist statements in the first place. And for the PR people of CBS the racist allegations are welcome, to distract from real issues with the series. The sad thing is that when you google for “star trek discovery criticism” you will find pages full of outrage about one or two allegedly racist Star Trek fans, but very little about the widespread justified criticism about the series.

      • Quintillion Tesla

        I personally don’t think the media has unnecessarily overplayed the racist trolls – you just need to go on any comments thread on youtube, and numerous genre news sites to see the accusations of “SJW Trek”/”angry black woman”/”PC TREK” etc. — as an avid thread reader, I’ve seen these type of comments for months and months and months – we even get a couple of clowns here ( mentioning no names ) you regularly spit their bile.

        I have also seen this level of racist venom being levelled at John Boyega on a couple of the Star Wars thread, to the point where the comment moderators had to ban these people.

        • There may be more racist trolls than I am aware of. Still, it is better to ignore them.

          And one more thing to consider:
          The people working on Discovery take care that the “diversity” of the series is always in the focus, thereby pushing aside other issues. I don’t have a problem with diversity and I wouldn’t call it “SJW Trek” or something like that. Still, I would not file that under “racist trolling” but rather under “fan feedback on the promotion campaign”.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            Interesting viewpoint, thank you. I haven’t seen the “push” for diversity, personally speaking – I see one African-American actress, and one Asian actress – surely TOS, DS9 and even VOY were much, much more “diverse”, no?

            “Forced” diversity ( as some have claimed it ) would perhaps be a problem ( and might be viewed as crass ) but I don’t see it at all with DSC.

            All I’ve seen is that Burnham is the first African-American female lead of STAR TREK – it’s obviously clearly important to the actress, and when we consider Nichelle Nichols/Uhura, it is a significant moment in the franchise – it’s harldy something one would ignore.

            If this all were to infringe upon the actual storytelling, then that be be viewed by some as a problem, but I do not see this happening ( within the context of what I have seen ) at all.

          • You’re right. Diversity should be casual and should not impair the story. And no one should have a problem with that.

            What I meant to say is that diversity is presented like it were something special about Discovery, giving rise to suspicions that it may be preachy.

          • TIG1701

            Star Trek being preachy? Have you not watched Star Trek before? That kind of what it does.

          • Dusty Ayres

            Bernd only cares about how the uniforms and spacecraft match to whatever headcanon he’s established on his website, it looks like.

          • No reason to go OT and get insulting.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Looks like the mods deleted a bunch of his posts today. He posts a lot of “angry” sort of stuff here. I recommend ignoring him, like most of us have learned to do.

          • M33

            I loved the picture you posted about another person who was previously venting angry nastiness on the board, so I will repost it in regards to whom you are referring to.
            (hat tip) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d42d9207fa0930aa6c542bb54af2b7467af5a7f9fb08dedff6adc88c8d942a0c.jpg

          • You didn’t read what I wrote. The people working on DIS are preachy, and so could be the new series. At least it is a valid apprehension.

          • James

            Well, TNG was often accused of being preachy!

            Examples include:
            Force of Nature – and the environmental damage
            Justice – on capital punishment
            Symbiosis – that anti-drugs speach, lol
            Journeys End – an incredibly preachy story about Native Americans who are being kicked off of the planet they moved to.

            An overly preachy show is something to be apprehensive of, but lets hope that the message is there but in a more subtle way than the examples listed there.

            Mind you, I love Who Watches The Watchers, one of the most anti-religious (ironically preachy) episodes out there 😉

          • Agreed. I remarked in several of my reviews that TNG was preachy at times.

          • TIG1701

            I read it fine. Its a stupid argument. They are discussing Star Trek. Issues of the day and addressing political subjects is what the show is known for. Are they not suppose to talk about it because it makes you uncomfortable?

          • It seems you want to find racism or other bad things in any statement that you don’t like and that spoils your view of Star Trek and the world. You really should check your prejudices.

          • TIG1701

            I didn’t say you were racist, take a breath man. I’m saying you are ignoring what Trek as a whole is about and they are only talking about what the show has always confronted. The fact that you are surprised about the fact they would talk about these things in relation to Star Trek is odd.

          • SpaceCadet

            When has diversity ever impaired a Star Trek story? Every iteration of Star Trek has been diverse and Discovery simply continues that trend and it is very inspiring.

          • TIG1701

            Whats crazy is Discovery isn’t really that diverse end of the day. These people got hot and bothered because some of the early picks were minorities like Michelle Yeoh and one of the guys who plays a Klingon. But when you actually just look at the cast list, white actors out number the minorities by a huge mile. There a bit more women on the show but nothing out of the ordinary. And, shocking, there are still more men anyway.

            But they whined white people were being phased out because the show had one black and Asian lead. To this day I think its Voyager that is still the most diverse in terms of its actors. Deep Space Nine is second. I think Discovery is on the lower end crazy enough. And thats cool, but you don’t see people whining how unfair it is now that we know the full cast.

          • SpaceCadet

            Actually I see Discovery as plenty diverse. Of the 20 cast members, 6 are women. Sheer number-wise that is the most women ever on a cast and percentage-wise (30%), that’s just about equal to what TNG 1st season (33%) and VGR (33%) were. More significantly, you have women of color who are the lead and the captain on the show, not merely token female roles. You have another woman cast member of Asian descent (Indian). On the male side, you have a cast member of African descent, one of Hispanic descent (Puerto Rican), another of Asian descent (India), and yet another of mixed-decent including Asia (Pakistan). Also, very significantly, you have three cast members who are openly gay, at least two of which play the first ever gay characters on a Star Trek series and are a couple on the show, and one is a gay man of color. So personally I can’t agree less when you say “Discovery isn’t really that diverse at the end of the day.”

          • That’s just what I wrote. Except that Discovery still has to prove it’s inspiring.

          • SpaceCadet

            The casting is inspiring. I can speak for myself that I’m personally inspired already.

          • Agreed. I find the cast inspiring, rather than most of the rest.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Why? You have one airhead actor Wilson Cruz making casual racist comments at a convention.

          • SpaceCadet

            Because I’m not blind and can see what the cast looks like. How are the actor’s comments racist? Do you need me to pull up the definition of “racist” for you?

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Yeah he made a casual racist comment but that’s okay because he falls within that minority they’re promoting right? Also he’s playing a doctor yet needed a reminder what a frickin hypospray was.

          • SpaceCadet

            Look up the definition of “racism” because you’re applying it incorrectly to the actor’s comments. You can’t be “racist” to your own race.

            And a lot of actors come to Star Trek not being familiar with it or having been fans. Even actors on Star Trek who have played their roles for years still get tripped up by the technobabble and made up names of gadgets. This actor hasn’t even completed the first season yet. Seems like you’re digging for every possible thing to nitpick against.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            He made a casual racist remark which is at odds with a show promoting the hell out of diversity. And yeah if he’s playing a doctor in Star Trek the word ‘hypospray’ is like one of the first things you learn.

          • SpaceCadet

            You don’t understand what “racist” means. The show is not “promoting” diversity, it reflects diversity as it is in the real world. Who cares if an actor brand new to the show doesn’t remember what a “hypospray” is at a convention as long as he remembers his lines on the show itself.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            The show is promoting diversity, more than anything else it seems…

            And yeah he made a racist remark, not sure what else to say about it. I mean it’s not something you can easily defend.

            “Who cares if an actor brand new to the show doesn’t remember what a “hypospray” is at a convention as long as he remembers his lines on the show itself.” There’s a thing called ‘research’.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            But Discovery so far has been inspiring. If people are coming out with “well you haven’t seen the show yet” then CBS have done a terrible job in making it look exciting.

          • SpaceCadet

            It looks plenty inspiring and exciting to me! And I know I’m not the only one.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Good for you, that’s your opinion.

          • SpaceCadet

            Obviously it’s my opinion and your opinion is solely your own. That’s the whole point of this forum. I can’t believe you even needed to post that but I’m not surprised since you’re just about constantly negative about a show that hasn’t even aired yet.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I’m entitled to offer my opinion here. Heaven forbid we all live in a world where everybody totally agrees with each other.

          • SpaceCadet

            No one ever said otherwise. The whole point of this forum is for people to state and argue their own opinions in a civil manner. So why even post something so obvious as “I’m entitled to offer my opinion here”?

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Well according to you it seems I’m not allowed to have a negative opinion of something.

          • SpaceCadet

            No. You are entitled to your constant negative opinions and it’s my opinion that it’s incessant, tiresome, petulant whining when you haven’t even viewed the full show. And a good day to you!

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Okay fine.

          • TUP

            Yes, Pedro believes everyone’s opinion is important unless you dont share his, then only his is important and by virtue of disagreeing with him you are somehow infringing on his “right” to voice his opinion. Or something like that. its weird. haha

            Obviously, excitement is different for different people. But saying the series has no excitement evident in its marketing would be a minority opinion. And when you consider the desire by some to hate everything about it, you can take that opinion with a grain of salt. Or ignore it altogether.

          • TUP

            No, its clearly exciting. they’ve done a great job. And this is despite not making screeners available for review so the majority of fall preview sites have very little about Discovery.

            The “you havent seen the show yet” is quite clearly and appro[appropriately directed to those few people that continually whine about the content and quality of the series having not seen it. That is common sense, really.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Well it’s your opinion that it’s exciting. You don’t speak for everybody thankfully otherwise the world would be at war (shudders).

          • TUP

            The world would be at war if everyone shared my opinion that Discovery looks exciting? wow! You’ve lost it, my friend.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I mean generally which is why unlike you I welcome what most people have to say.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            It has forced diversity or at least they’re making a big thing about it rather than selling the actual show.

          • Dusty Ayres

            Bernd, you’re just pissed off that the show isn’t doing the sets, uniforms and spacecraft the way you expect it to be (how pathetic are you to want a show shot and meant for a 2017 audience to look like a show shot and meant for a 1965/1966 audience?)

            Plus, as hard as this is to believe about yourself-way to be racist, buddy; did Ms. Green and Ms. Yeoh make your manhood shrink?

          • You never read what I wrote about the show and throw in OT comments just to discredit me. Stay on topic, please!

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Well they’re right about SJW Trek, no one could argue that’s not what’s going on.

      • DC Forever

        Yes, the media made a huge deal out of it, which conversely, gives those types of racist trolls the level of attention that they revel in.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        The problem does extend to the show itself. It’s been so obsessed in proving it’s diverse they’ve gone overboard and not actually promoted the story enough which begs the question how much story does this show have modern day serialized TV being what it is.?

        • They may not have wanted to reveal much about the story. It may make sense for them to pick other things to advertise, just not for fans who grow tired of being told the obvious.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Or there’s little story to share?

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      Yes, that is the narrative for this show.

      • TUP

        Media decides what they think is newsworthy (ie what their audience wants to see/hear), asks black actor about being a black actor. Said actor gives honest answer. Trolls begin crawling out to be critical of it.

        There is a sad hint of bigotry in it, even from the “it doesnt matter” crowd because I think its a lie to hide behind. Of course it *shouldn’t* matter. But it does and that’s why its worth talking about.

        • TIG1701

          Thats the funny thing. “How dare she mention that others mentioned she only got the job for being black and a woman. Who does she think she is for defending herself against what others say about her?”

          I mean this is the argument. Guess what people, if no one said them, she wouldn’t be calling them out. Thats kind of the point.

          • TUP

            Yup and really how dare the majority of us make judgements on how this black actress has been treated. We can’t judge her experiences.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          They can say whatever they want but at the end of the day not everybody is going to relate to them like that model Munroe Bergdorf.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle
    • Tone

      The truth is that not many people complained about that.

      Most complained of the forced nature of the characters sexuality.

      This was handled in exactly the same way that GB2016 was. It got the SJW’s out in force to market for the series.

      • Dusty Ayres

        That’s bullshit, and you and many other males know it. It looks like having ladies be Ghostbusters made all of your dicks shrink to the size of a grain of rice last year, and you were scared of them, just as you all are scared of Ms. Green and Ms. Yeoh now.

        • Tone

          Childish sexist troll.

          You going to quote Taylor Swift at me next?

          • Dusty Ayres

            Racist dinkhole, I’m not going to quote anything to you; I just stated what you (most likely) are as a person.

      • TIG1701

        ‘characters sexuality was marketed’

        Yo buddy. There has been 4 full trailers (counting Netflix) and about a half dozen online spots so far. Do me a favor and point out all the scenes where they emphasized a characters sexuality in any of them please? Just pick any of the 10+ spots they have revealed so far. This should be pretty easy for you. Yeah I’ll wait.

        • Tone

          Yo buddy, get a life and do your SJW shit somewhere else. If you are a fan, you would know what i’m referencing.

          • You should be careful in order not to be filed under “racist trolls”. It happens quickly these days. Seriously, some people don’t read what is posted here and only react on buzzwords. Better avoid using “SJW” and stuff.

          • Tone

            Its a fashion at the moment. These new age trolls feel empowered, and like to use SJW themes as an excuse to bully others from behind their keyboards. These are the very types that could quite happily bully another human being to the point of that person committing self harm, and find it fun, and consider it a job well done and move on to the next.

            But just for the record, I like the casting choices they have made, and are more than happy with a black female led cast.

        • Not in the trailers but in repeated statements like “We’re so diverse”. Diversity should be a conditio sine qua non and not something you stress repeatedly. TNG, DS9, VOY and Enterprise were never marketed that way.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Well said

    • M33

      I share your thoughts, pittrek.
      Of the millions of fans who are happy with the actor playing the role, the fact that the media insists on stoking racial division fires on the basis of an insignificant number of immature narrowminded people is really sad.
      This shouldn’t be news. The media entertains this BS as if any of it matters at all except for self-congratulatory meaninglessness.
      I bet those trolls didn’t think they were “handily dismissed”, either, so the whole thing is subjective nonsense.
      But then again, I actually expect the media to report on meaningful news…

      • TIG1701

        But the fact is it did happen. People did make those comments. Every board you go to you found them. You still find them. Are they in the minority, sure, but they are there. If you’re a minority, you’re not going to just ignore them. They should be called out. The fact we get less of them now vs 30 years ago is because people call them out. The media is doing its job. It needs to do it more.

        • M33

          To me, it feels more like people looking for a fight rather than marginalizing stupid voices that have no power.
          Giving it attention only causes more to appear from what I’ve seen.
          They start piling on.
          But, hey, it’s their free time to do that kind of stuff, I guess…

          • TIG1701

            But you can’t say no one complained about it and then act all shocked Martin-Green brought it up as if she just made it up.

            And this is the thing, if you are a white guy and shocked the black woman who these idiots were aiming their ignorant insults over actually responded then maybe you don’t see it the way she does for obvious reasons. That and the fact they aimed it personally at her. If they airmed it directly at you, you might say something too. We have a President of the United States who tweets at 3 a.m. about some Senator/reporter/actor/college kid/protester/grade school teacher who might say something negative about him and tells the world how he’s offended.

            But this woman can’t respond in the most civil way over how these idiots reacted when they found out she got the job? She didn’t make a big deal about it, she said her peace as she should. As anyone would.

            And the only reason today its more marginalized is because people spoke up about it in the past. Thats the only way these people will get the hint. You will never stop them all but it doesn’t mean you should just ignore it.

          • M33

            I really don’t care what someone’s ethnic background is. Meaningless to me. And frankly, if people feel the need to be nasty to me, I’ve learned a very long time ago that confronting these people never brings a desired result, amd in fact typically makes the situation worse because you’ve now taken yourself down to their level.
            The reason they say anything is because they want ATTENTION. If you give it to them, you are the sucker for it, becausw they will keep giving it until kindgom come
            That’s just how nasty folks work. They thrive on people being upset. Its childish.
            If everyone ignored them, they would have no power. You aren’t going to change their mindset by getting mad at them. And no one else’s mind is changed by the exchange either. It is simply a waste of energy and pure toxin being pumpes into our bodies by even involving ourselves.
            As the old saying goes, turn the other cheek.
            I don’t care if you are black, white, asian, latino, the human condition is universal regardless of where our ancestors came from.
            Did you see Dr. King get into confrontations to prove a point? Or Gandhi? No. They followed the teaching of non-violence in the face of far worse nastiness than some juvenile tweets, and you know what, they were happier because of it and they created great things because they didn’t engage with their aggressors. They moved above them.
            Those are my role models.
            If you disagree, fine.
            We are entitled to our opinions.
            I just wish folks would stop sucking into these few peoples games, because those trolls are loving every second of negative attention they are getting.

          • TIG1701

            Yes fine, but thats YOU! You can’t expect everyone to think like you do about this and it would be naive to. Especially when its not aimed at you directly.

            And not like she showed up at their house and cussed them out or chased them with a baseball bat. She only stated her feelings on it, which she did gracefully by the way. Where did she get into a ‘confrontation’? Now you are making this a bigger deal than it is.

            I seen people on the internet get hot and bothered over the dumbest things possible. I think when someone is questioning your abilities over your race or gender, thats actually one of the few times you have the right to be upset about it. Now if you decide not to respond, thats cool, but she’s not you. And frankly we are just nobodies on the internet. We don’t even know our real names here. But if you are someone in the public eye of course you are use to dealing with stupid people and you can ignore or find a way to respond to it with class. I think both are fine.

          • M33

            Confrontation as in bringing the issue up with the persons involved, not an escalation of conflicts.
            One can confront someone without it having become aggressive. Perhaps I could have used a different word.
            What she does to handle those people is her deal, and you are right that I shouldn’t expect her to do what I would do. It just saddens me a bit, but I guess I shouldn’t bother bringing it up, since most here find the need to address the matter congratulatory.
            I, and others, simply get bored of this being an “issue”, continuously brought up by the media as a big deal.
            It isn’t.
            Shatner gets hounded by trolls all the time, but I don’t see the media flocking to write stories about how is he handling anti-Semitic trolls, just because he is Jewish. Same with hundreds of other “famous” people of all backgrounds.
            Heck, people said all sorts of nastiness about the lady who played the Ancient One in Dr. Strange because she was white and not asian.
            People’s racial sensitivities are endless so long as we keep making it an issue and the media loves to make this an issue especially given their perceptions of our political leaders.
            But hey, we can agree to disagree. We may merely have a philsophical impasse.

            Always good to talk with you, though.

          • TIG1701

            Shatner doesn’t get hounded for being a white man. Are you serious with this? Man, I don’t know what to tell you but your anger is misplaced. Martin-Green has EVERY right to stand up for herself. Every damn right. Get made at the racists who still make it an issue, not her. Seriously.

          • M33

            Not angry at all. Sad mainly.
            And I said Shatner being Jewish, not white.

          • TIG1701

            Yes its SAD that there are still people like that. You are focusing on the wrong people. Thats what makes it sad. Everyone has the right to defend themselves. Thats just being human.

          • M33

            I agree.
            It is sad that folks who get joy out of riling people up still exist. And they will continue to exist, as human nature covers all spectrums of thinking. Granted, these kinds of nasty thinkers are less and less overall, we just happen to be more aware of them than ever before because of the literacy rate and technology.
            And of course people have a right to defend themselves if they so choose.
            Trolls are nasty people, and we do get some on this board, too, sadly.
            My point basically was it would have been really cool to see these actors choose to be above such pettiness as race or gender baiting.
            But frankly, I should not expect that. And I also should not expect others to share my viewpoint. I am very clear my views are often in the outside of most thinking.

          • TIG1701

            Ok fair enough!

          • TUP

            Some of these comments have shown us the civil rights struggle truly lives on. White people wanting black people to just stop complaining about being victims of bigotry. Uh huh.

          • SpaceCadet

            Here we are in 2017, the 21st century, living in a time when the Neo-Nazi, KKK, white supremacist movement in the U.S. is more emboldened then ever because of the current president. We have a president that has ordered that a whole class of people, transgendered, not be allowed to serve openly in the military. While it may be your school of thought to “simply ignore the trolls”, it is the people and minorities who are being attacked, whether through physical violence or through presidential decree, who are understandably speaking out and fighting back against these types of hate and bigotry.

          • M33

            You will find memberships in those organizations is actually historically low, and their marching in the street with a permit is not “emboldened”, that is merely their first amendment right they are exercing (albiet it should be without weapony, because that isn’t safe), as the ACLU has defended. KKK and NeoNazis were far more embolded years ago. We aren’t seeing lynchings or midnight murders in their names like before. Instead, they are just marching around looking like the bafoons they are. The media however focuses on it and makes it appear as if they are huge in number and a growing voice, but this is a false narrative created to foster ratings and push a polticial agenda.
            Normal for the media, actually. Been like that for a very very very long time.

            As far as transgenders in the military goes, have you looked up the requirements for someone to be accepted to serve? The military is not an equal opportunity employer, they are a defense force.
            If your arm doesn’t bend far enough, or your leg is too short than the other, or if you are a man and are missing a testicle, you are not acceptable for military service.
            Look it up. The list is extensive.
            Being on regular medications that affect your mental state also disqualifies you, and many transgenders are due to the needs of their reassignment surgery.
            Their needs are complex and the military has the right to refuse.
            But you will find Trump has not rolled back openly gay in the military, or race relations, or women in service. Transgenders are a special case–it certainly does not have to do with homophobia, considering he proudly told Cailin Jenner to use whatever restroom she wanted at Trump Tower, despite the outrages of his republican counterparts running for president.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Very well said, hopefully others all read it

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Thank god you stepped in with one your affirmative one-liners!

            Phew!

          • M33

            LOL

          • Pedro Ferreira

            No they won’t. You expect open minded fans? Ha, ha!

          • SpaceCadet

            I’m not arguing that those organizations I spoke of are at record levels of membership. I’m not saying they don’t have a first amendment right to free speech and protest. They are emboldened in that they have gone on the record stating they believe Trump’s very speech supports and is complimentary of their cause such as the President stating there are “very fine people” marching with the neo-Nazis. When counter-protesters are mowed down by vehicle and someone loses their life by it, it’s no less abhorrent than a lynching and the media has every responsibility to cover the important news that it is.

            Trump paying lip service to Caitlin Jenner does not make him a friend to transgender people, especially when he makes a blanket ban on them serving in the military. Yes, the military has stringent requirements to becoming a member of its ranks. That is a good thing. But why is there a sudden rollback now on their ability to join period when they previously had that right? There was an ongoing study researching transgenders serving in the military when Trump instituted the ban. Why not wait until the study has been concluded? How does someone who has already completed gender reassignment surgery pose any detriment to serving in the military? A study shows that the total health expenditure for transgender people in the military is a paltry $8 million, which is an insignificant sum against the total military budget. Where as it would cost the U.S. nearly $960 million to recruit, replace, and train new servicemembers to take the place of those that have been discharged under the ban.

            Again, circling back to the main point I was making, it is quite sensible and understandable for people to comment on attacks by trolls, as you originally referenced Sonequa doing, when others have an irrational fear of diversity, especially when it manifests itself in violence as it did recently in Charlottesville.

          • M33

            You have taken “very fine people” out of context of what was said. He was referring to the segment that came to the protest to be against the removal of the statue.
            To imply otherwise would be like saying all those who come to march for statue removal are AntiFA aligners and support peace through violence.
            KKK have supported whomever will be tighter on immigration, and on illegal immigration, because it suits their agenda. They used to be Democrats supports big time before, too, so the align with whomever happens to suit a portion if their thinking, just as full-on communists or anarchists will vote for the Democratic candidate because some of their ideology is enabled.

            As far a TGs go, your number is very conservative. Given that the government is paying for their medical expenses, the costs will ALWAYS be higher than anticipated. Try more like $350-$750 million, covering the GR surgeries and lifetime medications for all estimated 15,000 TGs serving.
            Sure, some will have already have made the change, but they will always be fighting the biology of their former gender and be taking medications to keep their new gender. The body is having to handle massivr shifts in hormones and if they are in the field for extended periods and are unable to be without their meds, the mental effects that occurs as the body begins to change back are very real and affect judgment perceptibly.
            I used to be uncertain about all this until I started reading about everything involved, and it is understandable why TGs are a special case that is better to wait on continuing until a full assessment can be completed of the risk/benefit analysis.
            Additionally, serving in the military is not a constitutional right.

            But hey, I don’t expect to convince you! We can talk the whole trifecta if we include religion and sex next! ☺

          • M33

            Ultimately, of course, she has the right to respond if she wants, but it is unfortunate that it is still being made something of today, when the reality is more people of different backgrounds get along better than ever.
            Read “Better Angels of Our Nature” by Stephen Pinker and you’ll get a good idea of what my point is here.
            That anything is made of some 12 year olds being stupid is silly.
            Imagine if she had been asked “are people harrassing you about your color and gender”, she replied, “No idea. Don’t care. If anyone’s gotta problem with me, screw ’em”, the trolls would have nothing. See? Deflates the entire issue because it just really doesn’t and shouldn’t matter.
            When people get all upset, that’s when the trolls win.
            It’s a feedback loop.
            That’s all I’m saying.
            We don’t see people acting like this in the world of Star Trek.

          • TIG1701

            No one is denying that. But she is still going to address the idiots out there that still have a problem with it. Again you seem more focused on her than the people who keeps bringing it up in the first place.

            And people don’t act like that in Star Trek is because its a fictional TV show. Its not real life.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        Yeah it’s the mainstream media’s way of handling criticism. If they did actual research they’d ‘discover’ it’s the series obsession with diversity which is giving it a bad name.

    • TIG1701

      Yeah but some people did complain. Hell I saw it right on this site when she was announced to be the lead. Make no mistake most people were happy but yeah some did say they were only doing it to appease minorities. I mean its not exactly hard to find. And she’s only responding to the things she reads directly. You’re going to focus on those people more when they are the ones saying you only got the job because of your skin color. Something that still happens today in every job industry. Yeah its much less of this kind of talk but its still there.

      • pittrek

        I don’t know, I’ve seen one video about “white genocide”, I thought it’s a dumb joke so I didn’t watch it. And as a person who has several youtube channels I learned pretty early to not read the comment section, mainly if your video is at least slightly controversial

        • TIG1701

          That doesn’t excuse the idiots who say it man. Whats funny is Martin-Green isn’t ask YOU to be upset about it. She simply addressed it on her own and oddly you seem more offended by that then the racist idiots sees addressing.

          And if you didn’t see it, then maybe you shouldn’ just assume it didn’t happen. Internet is a big place.

    • Dusty Ayres

      Oh look, a privileged white (male) sci-fi fan is offended because somebody black from the cast spoke. What happened, did your manhood shrink because of her words?

      And yes, most of the ‘criticism’ of the 2016 Ghostbusters was misogyny of the Eww! Girls!’ sort.

      • pittrek

        Wow. Just wow. What makes you think I’m white? Yes, I’m a male sci-fi fan, that’s the only thing you got correct. And be glad you didn’t call me privileged in a personal conversation, you would need new teeth. Let’s say it’s not a good idea to label people you know nothing about. And no, absolutely no criticism of GB2016 had anything to do with the fact that the actresses were female. And the fact that your insulting, potentially racist and sexist comment got one like is a huge disappointment for me

        • Dusty Ayres

          So you’re going to punch me out because you can’t take an insult like a man, and can’t accept what these new characters? Shows how much of a butthurt triggered loser you are.

        • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

          Very well said

      • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

        lol doesn’t this virtue signaling belong on huff po?

    • TUP

      Believe me, if a black (or more accurately non-white) person achieves any success anywhere, there will be people complaining. Recent events show us that the bigots are still around…and in large numbers. The civil rights movement wasnt a week long event. It continues today. Look at the backlash to the mere inclusion of a character who is gay.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Very few complained about that. I guess she didn’t get the memo.

  • David Lund

    Really really want a close up of the MSD panel in the wall!

  • James

    Those sets are fantastic, I like the bridge lighting in that photo shoot, that slight greenish tint with the chrome gives it a link to The Cage. There’s just a hint of retro-cool in there.

    • TUP

      Yeah I like it too. it did strike me as really large with open areas but we’re not seeing it all lit up, filled with crew, properly framed, shot etc. Should look great.

      The fact it has seemingly nothing in common with the JJ Apple Bridge is fantastic.

      • James

        It’s amazing how a lens can distort reality, I live in the UK and have been to the Dr Who exhibition in Wales, you wouldn’t believe how small some of the tardis sets are, yet they can look quite large on TV.

        • Jonathan

          Well, I see no reason why a vessel that’s bigger on the inside can’t also be bigger on TV.

          • M33

            “It’s smaller on the inside!”

      • Pedro Ferreira

        You forgot the lens flare…

        • TUP

          A lens flare? Does JJ have that trademarked? And does any example of a lens flare in any film or TV production automatically mean its somehow related to Star Trek 2009? lol

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Yes, no and yes!

    • A_Warrior_of_Marley

      Someone in the Trekyard’s commentary pointed out the similarities between this bridge and the USS Huron from the Animated Series Pirates of Orion episode.

      http://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/blu-ray/201-BR/thepiratesoforionhd0143.jpg

      http://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/blu-ray/201-BR/thepiratesoforionhd0201.jpg

      • M33

        Kind of funny, actually!

        • A_Warrior_of_Marley

          But interesting since this IS the only example of a Federation bridge other than the Constitution class starships of TOS.

      • Nowhereman10

        We do get to see the viewscreen in that episode but unfortunately we don’t know exactly where the turbolifts are which have to be off to the left or right side of the bridge. It is so different from the Connie bridge what with no visible captain’s chair, just that one regular chair at the back console.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        And they got raided…

  • The bridge design is okay. But it suffers from being much too dark (I suppose this will not change in the actual series) and from the dreary all-blue displays (as in the Abramsverse and in about every other recent scifi film or series).

    • Harry Kane

      In the same way that ENT did to a large degree emulating the TOS color scheme, the display UI should be multicoloured, blue comes in around the time of Star Trek V The Final Frontier- Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Sigh. There you go confusing minor production aesthetics with canon again.

        And if you really lose sleep over this minor stuff being canon, whose to say the bridge lighting is not just user-configurable on any starship?

        • TUP

          I suppose we could applaud them if they kept the same colour scheme but its really a minor point. My vehicle uses a blue-ish colour for the dash and my buddies’ uses an orange. They are not a generation apart.

    • A_Warrior_of_Marley

      I don’t get what you’re getting at. Around this time from the one and only example we have it is largely blues and grays for the bridge colour schemes.

      http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x00hd/thecagehd0043.jpg

      So they seem to be staying in continuity somewhat with that.

      • M33

        That is a very charming bridge. Would love to have seen more of that. Very different than post-Corbomite TOS bridge.
        Amazing what difference lighting and colors can make to the basically same set.

        • A_Warrior_of_Marley

          Even something like the chairs here, which are more subdued compared to the later series production bridge, with their soft almost beige color. In fact, now that I think of it, the squat chairs of Discovery look similar to this.

          • Nowhereman10

            It’s definitely a more… militaristic bridge, that’s for sure. But that isn’t surprising given the extensive number of military veterans who worked on TOS.

          • M33

            That WWII and post mindset was irreplaceable. Quality folks. Felt like real adults.
            Minus the racial prejudices from some of them, that is.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      I feel your pain. It’s a wonder anyone can see where they’re going.

  • Harry Kane

    Bridge is way too big, as is this ship. Scale is all wrong, there are however parts I do like about it, but thats it.

    • Kevin

      Who decides what’s right and wrong in terms of scale? Do you work for Starfleet? Do you set the standards for starship design? Is Discovery not allowed to be larger than the Enterprise? This is set a decade before. “The Cage” is set thirteen years before “The Menagerie,” so seeing as “The Cage” has already taken place and assuming Discovery is a new starship, why isn’t it allowed to be larger?

      And also, as a simple production note, sets are built at a specific size to allow cameras to come in at certain angles.

      • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

        Shillling

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          Why is this the automatic response for those who show some optimism for the series? It’s getting very old and is not true.

        • Please stop accusing others of ‘shilling’ for the series because their opinion is different from yours.

          • M33

            Wow. Didn’t realize you folks monitored our discussions that much!
            Cool.

            I imagine you must get reader fatigue when some of us get into lengthy discussions on some topics, yeah?

            Or do the eyes just glaze over at some point? LOL

            Could be fun if you guys joined in sometimes, but I can understand why not.
            It is like you are the hosts for a salon for Star Trek!
            Nevertheless, thanks for giving us a forum to discuss and for well constructed articles.

            PS. Would love to see you guys do a side by side comparison between ships interiors/exteriors of TOS/Movie eras and DSC once the first episode is out.
            See where they followed themes through and all that.

          • TUP

            The mods here do a fantastic job. I’ve moderated sites in the past and it can be a tough job, especially when you see some of the really vile stuff that gets moderated out before anyone is subjected to it.

            Trekcore does a great job.

        • DC Forever

          Just stop your spamming please.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Enough already!

      • Harry Kane

        Canon decides and the past trek norms, The Consitution Class will be the largest and most advanced of the time, Discovery is even more advanced and bigger than the Connie, so how can it exist. Connie is top of the line, How can they go and build something so advanced and huge and they go backwards with the connie. Too greater jump. The design is just wrong, no real design link with ENT which it should pretty much look like (Just with painted hulls which became the fashion) The look of the discovery I would expect more from TNG era,

        • Nothing said the constitution was the largest of the era, thos is fancanon and not actually canon. The constitution is also a 10 to 15 year old design by this point. So no, she is not top of the line.

          • TUP

            It would be great if people would 1) know what they’re talking about 2) use common sense before complaining. or ask. You are right on Shannon.

          • They take long accepted fancanon from novels as canon. The Enterprise was a 20 year old ship in TOS. There is no way it was the most advanced. Its computer cote was, 20 years ago.

          • Jake Loh

            actually, that’s wrong. it is explicitly mentioned in several episodes. I just watched one an hour ago. It is explicitly stated in dialog between Mr Scott and a visiting delegate.

          • TUP

            If Discovery is larger, then that would mean any dialogue to the contrary is incorrect. I dont recall this though. Which episode and what was the dialogue? Scotty had a unique perspective of the Enterprise…

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            No worries on this topic though, as it’s not larger. It’s between 2/3 and 3/4 as massive as a Constitution Class starship, although it is a bit longer than a Connie given the configuration.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            What do the books say or are those reference books not canon either?

          • Books are non canon. Even the tech manuals are not canon.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Tech manuals that present actual canon aren’t canon, cool so why did they make them then in the first place? I’m really interested in this answer.

          • Profit, Kinda how it works.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Of course, like this show it’s all about profit. I hope you’re here to tell us what is canon then (rolls eyes).

          • Offically? TOS, TAS,TNG,DS9, VOY, ENT, TMP,WOK,SFS,TVH,TFF, TUC,GEN,FCT,INS,NEM.

            That is it. Book are not canon, only what is on film.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Reference books are canon, that’s why they are made!

          • No, they are not canon.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            According to who? You?

          • TUP

            Just common sense and years of accepted reality. Canon is what is seen on screen. If someone responsible for the material says they are canon, then I suppose, so be it. But it would be counter to accepted practice.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Who’s stalking who now?

          • TUP

            Ummmm huh?

            This is a comment forum, no? If you want to have a private discussion, take it to PM’s.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I was talking to shannon and you’re accusing me of stalking you on the comments section so…

          • TUP

            This is not a closed group or a private messaging application. You werent “talking to Shannon”. You were commenting. I replied. Again, if you wish to not see my comments, you can block me. No harm, no foul. No one is stalking you by reading comments here…lol

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Okay but don’t blame me for replying to your comments here, calling that stalking because you’re doing the same to me.

          • According to the IP holder. They get to decide what is canon, and obly what I listed is canon.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            The IP holder can change whatever they want which is why the EU universe of Star Wars no longer exists. The whole point of Star Trek reference books is that they are canon as they clear up visual continuity, you seem to forget that or don’t wish to acknowledge it.

          • They are not canon. You can lie to yourself, but that does not change realty

          • Pedro Ferreira
          • They are not canon. This is fact, no matter who wrote them or what name is on them.

            I gave you the offical canon list.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Even if it’s schematics from the actual films. Yeah I’m sure…

          • TUP

            Sometimes trying to explain the obvious to people is like banging your head against the wall. Canon has always been what is shown on screen, nothing more. Many of the books present ideas that writers like and eventually “canonize” on screen. But only on screen is canon and Shannon, you are of course, correct.

            Canon is always a fun thing to debate. Its really quite simple though some try to twist it. One of the really negative things about the JJ films was that it made the idea of alternate universes too easy for people to grasp when they cant make sense of canon. And thats fine if people need to tell themselves that. Whatever makes it easy to enjoy the show.

          • Yeah, fans have long running fan canon they just “know” is true. That does not make it canon and the show itself often rewrites its own canon.

          • TUP

            I was surfing the Trek BBS site and someone there made a good point. They were having a discussion about something and trying to make sense of it within the canon of the franchise. During the discussion, one guy called it his “head canon” as far as the “fan fiction” in his own mind.

            We all do that to a degree. As Trek fans, we discuss all manner of events in the Trek world and discuss ideas. So “head canon” makes sense. Of course, thats not “real canon” as far as the fictionalized Trek universe, but its fun nonetheless.

            How many people read the Shatner novels and decided they liked HIS head canon? lol Lots of fun fan servicing in his books (for example, taking the idea that V’Ger was from the Borg home world).

          • Yeah, I am a long time table top RPG guy. I have seen this with dozens of settings and many TV shows as well. It is pretty common.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          You don’t know what you are talking about on the scale. It’s between 2/3 and 3/4 as massive as a Constitution Class starship, although it is a bit longer than a Connie given the configuration.

          In old-time naval parlance, if the Connie is “battleship” class, then Discovery would be analogous to a “heavy cruiser” class.

          • TUP

            Yeah, there were some pics posted somewhere showing the scale and it’s smaller than the Enterprise 1701. I guess seeing a larger bridge and the long nacelles throws us off.

  • Eric Cheung

    I’m not sure it’s actually any bigger than any of the other bridges. People said the 1701-D bridge was bigger, but the set took up about the same amount of space as the 1701 bridge on the very same stage. I think a lot of it has to do with the way space is used, and perspective. Certainly the captain’s chair is further back than in other bridges, but that’s because there’s no railing, or horseshoe. From this shot, it looks like there are around the same number of stations.

    Even if it is significantly bigger than other bridges, I see no reason why that has anything to do with the chronology. Why would larger ships only exist in the future, just because Enterprises happened to get larger? The role of the Enterprise changed with successive iterations. I kind of thought of the Daedalus-class sphere suggests a function similar to the Galaxy-class, with a priority on a heavy complement. Maybe Daedalus-class ships even had civilians. We won’t know until we see them on-screen.

    Regarding this bridge though, at first, I thought the forward stations were asymmetrical, with one navigation/helm station like on the NX-01 and a station like Kim’s on VOY. But I think they may be symmetrical, just arranged a bit like the 1701-D stations, where they don’t share the same mount.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Bigger isn’t necessarily better especially with how uninspiring that bridge looks.

  • mr joyce

    on a superficial note, i must say that sonequa is looking rather tasty in these photos 🙂

    • Harry Kane

      She looks great, all you need is a tasty lady to get the viewers in 🙂

      • mr joyce

        lets hope the show is good then so that we get to enjoy looking at both 🙂

    • Quintillion Tesla

      She has an amazing smile!

      • Your Worst Nightmare

        Wait. I thought she never smiled.

        :p

    • Locutus

      I wish they kept her hair that way.

  • Fiery Little One

    It looks bigger than I expected. Whether its bigger overall, I don’t know. I mean the E-D’s bridge was thought to be bigger, but it really wasn’t.

    • Harry Kane

      A good eye does not need to fool around, This bridge is too big, its more like a TNG bridge in sizing

      • Fiery Little One

        I suppose.

  • Harry Kane

    At the end of the day its clear Discovery is just going to be standalone, It doesn’t ad or grow the expansive Star Trek Universe, it writes its own so isn’t trek. Imagine if they had done a Discovery and JJ to star wars lol. Alex Kurtzman was brought on board to reboot the CBS side of Star Trek and bring the modified version of their trek to CBS side. If you wanted to really grow and continue building upon the wealth of the expansive trekverse then you would have done it wright. Seriously, who gives a s…. if harry mudd or sarek is in there. What the hell is with the Klingons, who now look like another scary alien race. Where is the cameo’s from T’Pol, The last NX Refit Class ships leaving active service? to be replaced by the newer range of starfleet ships with painted hulls, blue beam phasers and photon torpedos’s? The construction of the prototype USS Consitution?????? … These things are exciting!

    • Your Worst Nightmare

      Exciting? Eh.
      Nice continuity? Sure!

      And how do you know that we won’t see one or all of what you suggest? Have you seen the whole first season or even a single episode?

    • mr joyce

      your ideas are just pure speculation running rampant

    • TUP

      Good job. Now tell me next week’s lottery numbers!

    • DC Forever

      Enough already with your made up crap.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      If they explain the purple Klingons with the reason introduced in Enterprise it will repair things slightly.

  • TIG1701

    I like the look of the bridge. It actually looks cool and modern. No cheap cardboard and buttons everywhere.It looks like something I can envision in the 23rd century. It does look damn big though but I imagine the ship is suppose to be pretty big I guess. I still think the ship itself looks ugly as hell but the interiors of it are really inviting so thats a plus. I was actually worried it was going to like some weird Klingon hybrid thing inside. Glad to be wrong.

    • MattR

      I like the bridge as well, and I agree the ship itself is kinda awkward with the long nacelles. In any case, it won’t detract me from enjoying the show if it is well written, acted, and shot.

      • TUP

        Thats the worst aspect. The nacelles. Super weird. But I want to see it in action. Hope we get a TMP style beauty fly by. Not 12 minutes long, but something.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Star Trek never really looked cheap.

  • Jake Loh

    I have little hope for the new series. I have been a devout fan for most of my life, and I think that this new star trek does not hold the same optimistic and utopian view of the future. Everything we have been showed points to a agressive and militaristic version of the show we hold dear. The klingons look like alien lobsters, the ship we have seen mostly isn’t even the hero ship (being the shengzou), we have a cast who include non-fans, the production cast is that of the reboots (which have the same militarisic feel) and there is a incompetent moron showrunning.

    • TUP

      Ummm, no Star Trek series’ (and certainly the films) showed us an optimistic view of Earth in the future. The series were filled with conflict. Discovery appears to be no different.

      TNG was a bit different in that it was the product of its time and very preachy. But even it had Federation conspiracies etc.

      This is a myth.

      • Jake Loh

        I’m sorry, which rock did you crawl out from??? Renember Gene Rodhenberry??? He CREATED the show to spread the message of universal optimism and equality in the future. Star Trek has always been utopian. Sure, conflict has been a part of it. Without that, no audience would watch it. But you are mistaken that Star Trek has never been optimistic. It has alwas promoted a society where humans of every race and gender, and other races from all over the universe can live, work and explore in harmony. If that isn’t optimistic I severley doubt your mental stability.

        • TUP

          Oh well get it. You are intellectually unable to discuss the topic so you resort to insults.

          If you think Star Trek is devoid of conflict you’ve never watched it.

          And your insults only work to undermine whatever point you’re tying to make. Try again please.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yea, newbie is making a complete ass out of himself, and personally insulting you as well.

          • Jake Loh

            OH FUCK YOU TOO!!!!!

          • TUP

            Well that’s suitably offensive lol

            Just discuss the topic. No need for that.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            He’s quite the conversationalist, eh? I need a shower after reading his posts. He’s like a living gas station bathroom wall! LOL

          • TUP

            It’s weird because I sort of agreed with his basic premise. This topic has come up before.

            Genes sense of optimism about the future was in regards to humans overcoming the strife on earth. Overcoming war and famine etc. Uniting to explore the cosmos together. It wasn’t that there was no conflict once they got there.

            Every series and film dealt with conflict in some form.

            The idea that discovery can’t deal with the Klingon war, a story element from Gene’s own tos, because it goes against the original vision of Trek is absurd

          • Pedro Ferreira

            You’re absolutely rude and patronising to people yet are you expecting them to just be polite to you? I mean who made you in charge of this board?

          • TUP

            Hahaha you’re so obsessed with me and so embittered. It’s hilarious. You’re actually choosing this hill to die on? To once again attack me for remarking about an offensive post that was, wait for it, subsequently deleted by the moderators? Hahahaha

            Pick your spots better my friend.

            You’re probably the most rude and offensive regular poster left here. Funny how your pals aren’t around anymore.

            Just be mature. This is a great place when you choose to get along and be mature. Many of us disagree without resorting to the garbage you and a few others do. How come?

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I rest my case.

          • TUP

            Figures. Be snide to avoid responsibility but at least take heed of the message and stop obsessing over me. Thank you.

            The fact you’d ostensibly defend the vile remarks of the person who was erased from this site speaks volumes.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Not necessarily are the right people allowed to stay on sites. I’ve seen it happen. Arrogant and rude people often don’t get banned. That speaks volumes about you.

          • TUP

            Again if you’re doubling down to defend the remarks by that person it speaks volumes about your character. And it’s an inappropriate insult to the fine moderator here.

            Let’s stick to the topic. There was no need for your attack on me. Do you want to discus Star Trek?

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I’m not insulting the moderator, you’re saying I’m being rude yet few people who have communicated with you here would say you aren’t rude. Please take that into account before having a go at me. Thanks.

          • TUP

            Lol I’m not having a go at you. You commented to ME. out of the blue to defend a poster who had several of his posts deleted and was presumably banned.

            So if you’re position is, as you stated, the wrong person got banned then yes you are being critical of the mods.

            And none of this has anything to do with Star Trek. Stop dragging me down into your muck. Ignore me if you are so obsessed please. lol. It’s hilarious.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            It might not be a problem if you weren’t trying to drag me down into your muck? Share share share?

          • TUP

            Huh?

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Share? As in ‘share’ the forum?

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          You are the newbie here, not TUP. Or are you new here? 😉

          If you are a newbie, then you owe TUP an apology. The mods don’t put up with personal attacks here.

          • Jake Loh

            I’m sorry, are you calling me a newbie??? You do not know how fucking dedicated I am to the fucking show. YOU are stabbing at me for no fucking reason, and really?? People who troll others are inconsiderate bastards whose parents were a pair of Targs. Also, I have one thing to say to you about that apology. Take a long step back, and FUCK YOUR OWN BALLS OFF!!! I am a long-time fan, and YOU are a fcuking internet troll. SUCK YOUR FUCKING RETARDED COCK!!!!

          • TUP

            Newbie as in new to posting here. I assume based on your posting style, content and irrational anger that you’re around 12-15 years old.

            Take a deep breath. Its just Star Trek. We’re not debating life and death things here. I mean, if you’re not already banned. lol

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Good points. The problem with Discovery is that we haven’t really been sold the actual ‘discovery’ part. The fact they’re going for a GoT style is pretty telling in terms of the direction the show is going in so yeah you’re right.

          • TUP

            lol I LOVE that you’ve thrown support behind a guy who’s vile, offensive remarks actually resulted in numerous posts being deleted (which rarely happens here) and, presumably, the poster being banned.

            Where has anyone said its GoT style? You say that to be critical of the content but the writers mentioned GoT in the sense of the scope of the story and the quality of the production, not the blood, guts, sex, etc.

            And since you agree with the kid who got himself banned, you must also fail to grasp the original point – which is that the myth of no conflict in Trek is just that, a myth.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            “I LOVE that you’ve thrown support behind a guy who’s vile, offensive remarks actually resulted in numerous posts being deleted” Did you read the above post before commenting? “It has alwas promoted a society where humans of every race and gender, and other races from all over the universe can live, work and explore in harmony.” Yes, definitely sounds like a troll TUP…

            “but the writers mentioned GoT in the sense of the scope of the story and the quality of the production, not the blood, guts, sex, etc.” How do you know? You have a heads up Discovery we don’t know about?

            “which is that the myth of no conflict in Trek is just that, a myth.” I never said I disagreed with that point however Star Trek in TOS and the first four seasons of TNG didn’t typically portray humanity as nasty or cruel, this is most evident in the Seasons 1-4 of TNG. It was actually after Roddenberry died that Star Trek went into more conflict with the more shady side of humanity explored. Even then Star Trek in both the 60s and through Berman’s era put war first if there was a reason while the reboot movies and Discovery look like it’s just going to be action based rather than having actual science-fiction stories. So before you’re quick to judge yet again you’re only partly right.

          • TUP

            I appreciate your attempt at discussion but you’re either confused or misinformed. If you bothered to read the discussion before interjecting, you would have seen that I made a very reasonable counter point that the optimistic view was about humanity and that once we got to space, we found much conflict. This is evident throughout Star Trek.

            The idea that there is no conflict and therefore a storyline devoted to conflict with the Klingons (which is based on ideas shown in TOS) is counter to Gene’s views is simply not true.

            The person that was discussing this then went insane. And was subsequently moderated right out of town. And yet you chose to come to his defense. Which means 1) you chose to defend a person who was so vile and offensive, he was booted and 2) you completely missed the original point, either because it went over your head or you simply wanted to attack me. Either way, you missed the target again.

            In regards to GoT, why should I need to prove what Discovery is NOT? I could say “Discovery is going to be just like The Sopranos” or “Discovery is going to be just like The Mickey Mouse Club” and you could say “oh, why do you think that” and my reply could be “Prove to me it isnt”.

            The only remarks made about GoT was the writers desire to hit that level of quality and depth of story telling. Had they not mentioned GoT as something they aspire to, quality-wise, people like you wouldn’t be confused.

            Its HIGHLY unlikely, we see orgy’s and full frontal male nudity and slit throats and copious F bombs on Discovery. I mean, you dont really think that’s LIKELY do you?

          • Pedro Ferreira

            “I appreciate your attempt at discussion but you’re either confused or misinformed.” Ahem…

            “The only remarks made about GoT was the writers desire to hit that level of quality and depth of story telling.” Oh the way they’re going that shouldn’t be difficult.

            “I mean, you dont really think that’s LIKELY do you?” You’re the one going “yeah now we’ll get some nudity and more violence”.

            “And yet you chose to come to his defense. Which means 1) you chose to defend a person who was so vile and offensive, he was booted and 2) you completely missed the original point, either because it went over your head or you simply wanted to attack me. Either way, you missed the target again.” WTF?! You’re having a hissy fit because I don’t agree with you but I agree with him?! I mean seriously listen to yourself, you need to grow up. Are you a child or something? Do I need to agree with you to make you sound right? Have you ever thought that maybe you’re both partly correct because that’s what I mean in these posts.

          • TUP

            Yes, if Discovery can have the critical and commercial acclaim of Game of Thrones, that would be a great thing. Im not sure I can agree with you that it “shouldn’t be difficult” as GoT is HIGHLY acclaimed. But I certainly respect your feeling that Discovery is doing everything right to achieve that. Here’s hoping!

            Of course, they wont hit GoT’s viewership numbers in the US just based on availability.

            Regarding adult content, I never said we will get nudity and more violence. In a reasonable and mature discussion about the potential for TVMA, some of us discussed the potential for that. None of us have seen the series yet so we simply dont know. Mild nudity (like T’Pol’s backside) and increased violence are possible and not remotely akin to the adult content on GoT.

            No hisst fit whatsoever. Merely pointing out (I believe I laughed actually) that you defended a poster who’s content was deleted and presumably was banned for the vile and offensive things he posted.

            To be clear, if any poster directed that same content towards you, I would NOT defend them whatsoever. There would be no hedged bet of “partly correct”. They would be wrong, period.

            Bigots arent partly correct. They are wrong. Always and completely.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            “Im not sure I can agree with you that it “shouldn’t be difficult” as GoT is HIGHLY acclaimed. But I certainly respect your feeling that Discovery is doing everything right to achieve that. Here’s hoping!” It shows the terrible quality of writing you expect. Now do you see why I question your posts?

            “No hisst fit whatsoever.” “You’re not allowed to have a different opinion than me, everybody has to agree with me or they’re trolls, blah blah blah~” – TUP. Look mate you need to grow up and stop being so self-centered. You’re getting upset and accusing me of being wrong when BOTH of you put forward valid points. If you can’t compromise with people on here do expect resistance from people because no one likes THAT type of person.

          • TUP

            Ohhhh, you think GoT sucks. hahaha Okay, well using that to filter your comments on Discovery certainly helps. yes, we sure dont want Discovery to be as critically or commercially successful as GoT…uh huh lol My Goodness!

            None of what you wrote in quotations, attributed to me was ever stated by me. Please stop that. its childish. Stop parroting back my pleas to you to grow up. Its silly and transparent.

            We were having a nice discussion about a couple of things and you always end up Pedro’ing every reasonable discussion. Let’s agree to disagree and move on. Thanks!

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Whenever someone actually has a discussion here the problem is more you TUP’ing everything. No one is allowed to say anything that goes against what you have to say otherwise you won’t leave it. THAT is being childish. It wasn’t a reasonable discussion we were having because you were complaining I was taking another person’s side when BOTH of you put forward valid points. That’s where you need to grow up TUP before you start criticising me.

          • TUP

            “Tup’ing”. That’s a good one. I wonder where you got it. lol I guess they say imitation is flattery. But you dont have to keep flattering me, Pedro. Im taken! lol

            Not at all. As I have pointed out many times, there are so many great discussions on here between people with varying degrees of agreement/disagreement. Its really SO few people such as yourself that end up in these foot-stomping, irrational, angry exchanges.

            In the last little awhile at least 2-3 (or more) people ended up with a permanent vacation it seems, due to their comments and attacks. Its really unfortunate. I hate to see anyone lose posting privileges here.

            Trekcore does a truly admirable job in the way they manage and moderate their site. None of us would want to see that chaneg due to the actions of a few.

            There is no excuse for ad hoc attacks or defending vile content or the nasty people making them. We can agree on that, surely.

            Thank you Pedro. Let’s both do our parts now.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Everything you just said in that post sounds shallow and lacking earnestness. You wonder why people resist you? Take a look at how you communicate with people on here, that should give you some indication as to what you’re like. If you can’t handle thoughtful posts like Jake Loh’s that disagree with you maybe social media isn’t for you?

          • TUP

            I dont feel any resistance from people here to be honest. Do you?

            Also, do you really think Jake Loh’s posts were thoughtful? Full if vitriol and vile insults. If that’s what you call thoughtful, then its a commentary on your character.

            I would never defend someone who hurled the type of language at you that Jake did at many people here, not just me. He did not get censored because of me.

            Now, there is much to discuss about Star Trek Discovery should you choose to do so. And I’d be happy to take part. Give it a shot, Pedro.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            “I dont feel any resistance from people here to be honest. Do you?” Yeah lots of people towards you.

            “Also, do you really think Jake Loh’s posts were thoughtful?” “It has alwas promoted a society where humans of every race and gender, and other races from all over the universe can live, work and explore in harmony.” Yes they were TUP, get over it.

          • TUP

            LOL!

      • A_Warrior_of_Marley

        I guess someone wasn’t a fan of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine….

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      Well said , life long fan as well and little to no interest in the new show, trying too hard to pander to edgy and current issues, than Trek optimism.

      • Jake Loh

        THANK YOU!!! God, some fans are just really damm missing the point.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        “Well said”

        Seriously? Are you that desperate for support here?

        • Jake Loh

          TSFO. You are out of line.

      • TUP

        Oh so you’ve seen it? No? Of course not.

    • DC Forever

      Wow, a brand new Disqus poster. Welcome to Trekcore.

      Obvuiously you have never posted here before.

      (Sarcasm)

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      “The klingons look like alien lobsters, ”

      LOL. That was actually what Roddenberry always intended. In developing TMP, Gene Roddenberry and Robert Fletcher determined that the Klingon race was derived from crustaceans: “In my mind, all the bumps on the forehead and so forth are vestigial remains of a people that evolved like crustaceans, like lobsters, who have their skeleton on the outside of their bodies; and over the millions of years, they’ve lost that complete outside skeleton, but now retain only vestiges of it.”

      So exactly..they are returning to what Roddenberry always intended.

      • Jake Loh

        1. I’m actually confused. Showrunner: Alex Kurtzman. He produced the 2009-2015 reboots. He’s also very bad at his job, and was a contributing power to the level that the reboots sucked at 2. That is SO not true. They were meant to be a analogy for the communist powers, and were meant to look oriental. I do not know where YOU are getting your info from. 3. If you look on IMDB, the OFFICIAL Production cast list that CBS PUT OUT, and then compare them with the production crew for the JJverse, you will see a LOT of parallels. 3. Call me ignorant, and you are calling someone who can quote the entirety of the Wrath of Khan by heart, and someone who has watched the show devoutly since the age of five. 6. Have you even seen Star Trek. As in, proper star trek. ‘Cause it doesn’t seem like it. You may well troll me all you like. I’m immune bitch.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Nope. You just re-confirmed you don’t know what a show-runner is. The show-runners for DSC are Gretchen Berg and Aaron Harberts. Alex Kurtzman is an Executive Producer — the studio suit with no creative role unlike in the Kelvin movies. There are virtually now similarities inf the production crew — completely different studios, different financials, different creative team, different writers, different actors, different makeup, different special effects houses, and 2000 miles apart from each other.

          Stick to quoting WOK, because your knowledge of the current DSC production, including knowing much at all about TV production roles/titles, is severely lacking.

          And your laughable “do you even know Star Trek” crap won’t work with me, son — I knew Gene Roddenberry, and multiple staff who worked on TOS. I’ve forgotten more about Star Trek production than you know. LOL

          • TUP

            I like how he says he’s been a Trek fan his whole life but seems like a 12 year old lol I assume he’s been summarily dismissed.

        • TUP

          Being able to quote Star Trek does not mean you understand Star Trek.

          You’re off to a poor start here. Try again.

  • Tone

    Love TrekCore… I say that I love the cast choice and diversity, some SJW calls me a sexist man, and a lot of other nasty little things like racist, then I get MY comments deleted…

    So what are you TrekCore, fascists blocking polite constructive free speech, or are you trying to maintain the narrative that white people don’t like black or female cast members for CBS marketing?

    • Free speech is protection from the goverment.it is a single thing. A privately owned internet forum is not protected by free speech

      • M33

        Yep!!

        • It is shocking how often I need to explain this to people.

          • TIG1701

            Sadly people like this aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed.

          • TUP

            Also freedom of expression is not freedom from consequence.

          • They do seem to think it is a mavic chat that protects them

          • Pedro Ferreira

            What’s shocking is your lack of understanding of visual continuity. That’s pretty shocking shannon.

          • I am used to it changing. It has dozens of times in trek alone.

            And this is unrelated

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Okay…okay… (sighs)

      • Pedro Ferreira

        I’m sorry you’re not allowed to say that here, be careful you may be banned. Ha, ha!

        • Dude, I know of at lest one channel mods will ban ypu from for anything. Including point out things they have said

          • Pedro Ferreira
          • No, I got it. But it reminded me of that vile den

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Which vile den?

          • A religious channel called “faith and religion”. Gods that place is vile.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Any chance you could tell me a brief summary why?

          • Well, for one they are really, really far right nuts. They will ban you for anything. I looked in once and one of the chosen holy warriors told somone they should be raped to death with a hot poker. That was allowed, asking the mod to step in got the person attacked with that bit of villness banned.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Boy I sure love Internet forums. If it isn’t arrogant Canadians trying to prove they’re right it’s left wing mods trying to ban you because you have a difference of opinion. Fun world online.

          • TUP

            hahahahahah!

          • Pedro Ferreira

            May I ask what’s so funny TUP?

          • TUP

            You’re silly attack on me, knowing Im Canadian. Especially as you made it to someone other than me hoping I wouldn’t notice. You’re so bitterly obsessed yet fearful that you’re drive by attacks will get you moderated you have taken to insulting me in more subtle (but not really subtle) ways…and preemptively attacking the moderators in other posts.

            Why not just try to be a pleasant and reasonable person? No one is attacking or insulting you? If you dont feel in control of your emotions to this extent, might I suggest 1) taking an Internet time out 2) adding me (and everyone else that drives you nuts) to the ignore function?

            Insulting an entire nation of people because you disagree with me is not only bigoted but offensive and silly. Grow up.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I wasn’t attacking you. Where was I attacking you?

          • TUP

            Oh ok. The remark about Canadians wasnt about me. Riiiight. Sorry, kid, you aint smart enough to slip that one through. Regardless, its an offensive remark directed at a group of people. Given your defense of people here who have made bigoted remarks, we begin to get a clear picture of your *ahem* beliefs.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Actually I was talking about someone on a Ghostbusters forum but thanks for admitting you’re an arrogant Canadian. Ha, ha!

          • TUP

            yeah right. I guess we can add coward and liar to the list of words to describe you. At least own up to it. You knew very well I was Canadian. I sure hope you’re a child because if not, your conduct is particularly embarrassing. Regardless, you seem proud to attack a whole nation of people which is really low.

            Can we go back to discussing Star Trek now or is this thread going to continue to be Pedro’ed?

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Ha, ha! You just showed yourself up! No I wasn’t talking about you but if you’re feeling guilty feel free to confess man. It looks like you TUP’d yourself up there. Ha, ha!

          • TUP

            Stop it. You’re so transparent. It’s laughable if it wasn’t so sad. Just stop. Do you not have enough Trek to discuss?

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I talk about another Canadian and you think it’s you because I complain this guy is arrogant. Can’t get more of a confession than that eh? Your the one that’s laughable mate, ha ha!

          • TUP

            Again, you made a remark about Canadians in general. For a guy that cried every time someone looks at him it was an odd thing.

            Even more strange considering you refused to admit your nation of origin in a prior discussion. Why the secrecy of insulting nationality is something you think is appropriate?

            Can we just move on and discuss Star Trek as I’ve asked you repeatedly to do today?

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Can I ask do you visit Ghostbusters Fans? If so do you go by the handle ‘RichardLess’?

          • TUP

            I have no idea what that is, presuming its a Ghostbusters fan site? Ive never seen Ghostbusters in its entirety. And I dont post anywhere as RichardLess.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Right, okay that’s who I was talking about, not you.

      • TUP

        Imagine these people thinking they are being attacked by the moderators. There is so much discourse allowed here which is really a compliment to the mods’ desires to not over-moderate. Imagine actually defending the garbage that has been deleted. Sure shows these complainers in the correct light.

        Funny thing is, I’ve voted Conservative for years. But I guess Im a left wing nut too. hahahaha

        • Now days the far right has pushed so far to the front, they have distorted just what that is. If ypu disagree with them at all, well you are left wing.

          • TUP

            VERY true. I am a Conservative (voted that way in Canada for years) and as an outside observer generally supported elements of the Republicans and some elements of the Democrats. More so the GOP though. However, its gotten so out of hand how the GOP has been hijacked by the alt right.

            Where is the middle ground?

            Anyway, politics really arent a great conversation topic since it generally ends poorly. Though there ARE times when its relevant because of the future world that Star Trek has shown,.

          • So true. I tend to avoid it or try to in places like this.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Double standards. I got kicked off the Ghostbusters Fans forum for the same thing. Left wing hypocrites.

      • Tone

        Yeah, it seems that if you want to stomp out opinions you don’t like on TrekCore, or just generally troll around, then all you have to do is start posting crazy replies that have no bearing on the original comment. Then the rest of the SJWs smell the blood in the water, and the next thing you know, your comment that was polite and positive is suddenly deleted by some coward who does not even read the thread before he deletes it, let alone asks you what’s going on, or warns anyone else, but I guess that gets dangerously close to doing work.

        I don’t know. But it looks like unless your a SJW/new age troll, TrekCore is now not a place for fair, open discussion or opinions. It’s now devolved in to a children’s playground where the bullys can have their fun, and be encouraged to do so.

        It’s also funny to see the other reply’s to this thread, 90% of the people offering their commandments down are the same SJWs that regularly get the torches and pitchforks out every time someone dares to disagree with their opinion. At least it’s fun to read their SJW ramblings and wonder how someone who thinks and reacts like this can live outside of a mental institution without getting beaten to a pulp on a regular basis is beyond me.

        But at least their crazy comments and instructions make me laugh.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Out of the forums I visit each week I’d love to visit one that isn’t politically biased either towards right or left but then entertainment at the moment is so left wing now everybody suddenly has a political opinion. I still can’t believe I got kicked off that Ghostbusters forum for offering opinions on the reboot people couldn’t handle. I’m not the type of person to just say something ‘sucks’ and that’s it. In anything I dislike I always provide an actual criticism to back up why I don’t like it.

          • TUP

            Usually the right wing complains about censor because they think being a bigot is protected speech. Not in this environment it isnt.

          • Tone

            You want to spell out what your implying, mr. Moderator? Come on, your doing your best not to sound like a troll, but the thinly veiled insults and threat at the end kind of give you away for what you really are.

          • TUP

            Sure.

            1) Im not a moderator here

            2) Freedom of expression is not freedom from consequence

            3) right to expression does not extend to privately run websites like this one where the owners set the terms & conditions of use.

            As a result, should someone express a bigoted or otherwise inappropriate opinion, they do not have the “right” to not be censored, deleted, moderated or removed.

            Of course, the site admin decides. I am not one of them. But considering the complaints about “right wing” this and “left wing” that, we can certainly extrapolate the type of “opinions” that have been expressed and removed.

            I voted Conservative for years so we can also skip over any desire to label be a SJW or left wing nut etc.

            Its really common sense. And, Tone, I dont think you needed it spelled out and your insinuation that Im a troll were off base and I think you know it.

            EDIT: to add, Shannon pointed this out to you 4 days ago. I merely stated the same thing in a different way. Do you understand now?

          • Tone

            But what I don’t get, is you are still insinuating that my posts got deleted for displaying “right wing” views. Come on, let’s be real here, you have no clue as to what I’m talking or complaining about, do you? Yet you still insist on saying that I have no rights here because I made right wing and hateful comments…

            Ok, let me say AGAIN, that my post which was deleted, was me saying that I thought that the diversity of Discovery is cool, along with most other aspects that are marketed at the moment.

            Then, some crazy woman replied to my post, saying that I was racist, a Nazi, and that I had a, quote, “shrivelled tiny penis” because I hated women so much. I tell her she is out of line, and ask her to stop trolling and to mind her language, and asked her why she is replying to something I have never said, then TrekCore deletes all my posts that had just been saying how things are good with a black female lead, and that maybe others should wait for the show to start before condemning it.

            So you tell me why my extremist right wing (according to you, and the other SJWs on this very thread, which are trying to “educate” me on the subject of free speech, according to American law, which is not the point here) terrible hateful posts were deleted?

          • TUP

            For starters, why would you ask me to explain anything about posting guidelines in general but als to shove the “freedom of expression” (I assume you mean my remark about consequences) when both go hand in hand?

            To be clear. I did not see your post and did not make any remarks specific to you at all. So your rant about what I said or what I think about your views is moot. I have no idea what you said.

            Taking the preponderance of the available information I’d suspect you did not simply say the diversity of the cast was “cool” otherwise the nasty reply would be very bizarre and your post being deleted would be unusual.

            You ask: “So you tell me why my extremist right wing terrible hateful posts were deleted?”

            Answer: If they were extremist right wing terrible hateful posts, I’d suspect THAT is why they were deleted.

            To be honest, you’d be wiser to send a message to the Trekcore staff if you really want to know. Perhaps they’d explain it to you.

            Im not a mod. I have zero pull. I have no knowledge of your post other than what you wrote. And if the reply was as you said, that person was way out of line, I agree with you on that.

          • Tone

            Your simply not worth responding to any further. I stated my case clearly, and you still say I’m posting right wing Nazi stuff. Your just trying to get me to react negatively, which would give you what you want.

          • TUP

            I have said that at all! Lol

          • Pedro Ferreira

            The right wing want conservatism, the left wing try to look for issues where none exist. What a great combo!

          • TUP

            So you know as much about politics as you do about Star Trek. Lol

            Let’s end the politics talk unless it relates to Trek. No good can come of it.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            In YOUR opinion I don’t know about politics although many would disagree with you so please just stop belittling me because you’re embarrassing yourself.

          • TUP

            Lol ok. Don’t be so sensitive. It was a joke. I don’t know. And don’t want to either!
            😉

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Agreed it’s easy to misread people online but you have to admit your behaviour in terms of what you type comes across as hostile.

          • Tone

            Yeah, things have totally gone crazy since the Ghostbusters thing happened. Now all these places are full of trolls, now pretending to be SJWs, but the goal is the same. They just jump at anyone who dares to say they don’t share the same feelings or opinions, it’s just now they use SJW themes to get the result they want, while superficially looking like they are standing up for something positive.

            But the end result is the same, they are stopping others from having an opinion, and getting them banned for it, or their posts deleted.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            It was some arrogant Canadian that got me banned in the end plus the left wing mod favoured his argument which was stupid to begin with.

            It’s ironic also here that TUP keeps complaining I’m stalking his posts yet he keeps following me on my posts such as this one. Talk about desperate.

  • Pedro Ferreira

    “When I first got started, I had my freak-out phase. I had my almost catatonic moment where I thought, ‘What is happening?’” Here’s footage I located from the incident: https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohzh2CctH9zBgNsis/source.gif