An all-original novel based upon the explosive new series on CBS All Access

Aboard the Starship Shenzhou, Lieutenant Michael Burnham, a human woman raised and educated among Vulcans, is promoted to acting first officer. But if she wants to keep the job, she must prove to Captain Philippa Georgiou that she deserves to have it.

She gets her chance when the Shenzhou must protect a Federation colony that is under attack by an ancient alien vessel that has surfaced from the deepest fathoms of the planet’s dark, uncharted sea.

As the menace from this mysterious vessel grows stronger, Starfleet declares the colony expendable in the name of halting the threat. To save thousands of innocent lives, Burnham must infiltrate the alien ship.

But to do so, she needs to face the truth of her troubled past, and seek the aid of a man she has tried to avoid her entire life—until now.

Did you enjoy the premiere of Star Trek: Discovery on Sunday night and can’t wait a week for more stories about Michael Burnham,  Phillipa Georgiou, Saru, and the crew of the USS Shenzhou?

Well you’re in luck this week, because Tuesday sees the release of Desperate Hours, the first Star Trek: Discovery tie-in novel authored by David Mack.

The book, which was written by Mack in close coordination with the Star Trek: Discovery writers’ room and Star Trek-novel-scribe-turned-Discovery-writer Kirsten Beyer, is everything you would want from the first tie-in novel of the series. Desperate Hours provides more depth to the characters we’ve just started to love in a thrilling adventure that bounds Discovery to the rest of the Star Trek canon.

The events of Desperate Hours are set one year before the events of “The Vulcan Hello,” following the elevation of Burnham to acting first officer. We get more of an exploration of the relationships between Burnham, Georgiou, and Saru that provides greater depth to the interactions we saw in Sunday’s premiere and adds additional emotional weight to Burnham’s decisions in those episodes.

If you were upset by what happens to Captain Georgiou at the end of “Battle at the Binary Stars,” Desperate Hours gives you more to love about this character, and a chance to see more of why she was such a respected character by the crew of the USS Shenzhou. In some ways, it makes the events of “Battle at the Binary Stars” even more emotional.

The book also features the USS Enterprise in a supporting role, commanded by Captain Christopher Pike. The two crews work together — though not always amicably — to solve a crisis that could wipe out an entire planet, and the scenes depicting a stand-off between Captain Georgiou and Captain Pike are excellent. You really get the sense that these are two famous captains with different styles squaring off, and Georgiou and the Shenzhou provide more than a match for Pike and the Enterprise.

But it’s the relationship between Michael Burnham and Spock that provides the novel both its most delightful storyline and its emotional arc. These are two characters with a shared father and both very similar and very different life experiences.

They go on a journey in the novel that allows them significant interaction and the opportunity to learn from each other that is worth the price of admission alone. We’ll never get the chance to see Leonard Nimoy and Sonequa Martin-Green share a scene, but Mack gives you everything you need to see it in your mind.

Saru is another featured character in the novel, and partners for one subplot of the book with Number One from “The Cage,” who book fans know as Commander Una.

We get a really nice peak into Saru’s head and learn more about his motivations and philosophy. The relationship between Burnham and Saru in Desperate Hours appears more confrontational than we saw in the premiere, but I look forward to their relationship being explored in greater detail as the series progresses.

If you were a fan of the Star Trek: Discovery premiere — and if you’re a fan of the long line of Star Trek novels — there’s also a lot to like about Desperate Hours.

The book does not hide from the rich tapestry of characters and ideas that the books have created, most notably in this case the character of Number One/Commander Una. But there are a number of Easter eggs scattered throughout the book that novel fans will enjoy finding. For canon-obsessives, the book also provides some subtle perspectives on aligning the visual continuity of “The Cage” with Star Trek: Discovery. I was surprised, but pleased, to see them.

Like all great Star Trek books, this novel also provides much greater depth to characters we only briefly glimpse on screen, in this case the bridge crew of the USS Shenzhou.

Curious about the bridge officer with the Daft Punk-esque helmet? Mack explains exactly what’s up with that. The blue alien with the metallic flourishes on his cheeks? Mack tells you more about him too. Admiral Anderson (played by Terry Serpico) also plays a small role in the narrative.

Overall, Desperate Hours is an ambitious story that adds greater depth to the main characters from Sunday’s premiere, while integrating the USS Shenzhou pretty seamlessly into Star Trek lore.

If you just want to spend more time with these characters, or if you were looking for a jumping on point to the world of Star Trek novels, look no further than Desperate Hours. David Mack has established himself as one of the best authors in the Star Trek pantheon, and Desperate Hours is a worthy addition to your collection.

If you liked Desperate Hours, you should check out:

  • Section 31: Control by David Mack – I know this is the third review in a row I’m recommending it, but seriously, you should read it! The riveting and challenging conclusion to David Mack’s Section 31 and Julian Bashir arc.
     
  • Harbinger by David Mack – The first novel in the Star Trek: Vanguard series, there are a number of thematic similarities between Discovery and Vanguard, which is set on a space station at the edge of Federation space during the Original Series. If you enjoyed the serialized story and adult themes of Discovery, you’ll love Vanguard.
     
  • Legacies Book 1: Captain to Captain by Greg Cox – The first novel in a trilogy of 50th anniversary books, Captain to Captain features Number One/Commander Una in a prominent role. The second novel in the series, Best Defense, is authored by David Mack.
  • October_1985

    See, you done it! Now I want Pike in Discovery!

    • I would love to see who they cast as him and how they redeign the enterprise for sure.

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    • Paul Walker

      Captain Pike by Bruce Greenwood?

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  • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

    “Characters we’ve just started to love” hmmm…

    • CAPTAIN D-MAN

      Misha is our new favorite trek girl. We’re also mad about Saru.

    • prometheus59650

      Good troll. Good troll.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        A W E S O M E

        L O L

    • Paul Walker

      Tom shut up I made new friends they told me you the troll.

      • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

        Nope, they are the trolls, any (valid) criticism of STD and they have a meltdown

        • Paul Walker

          I have found them to be civil and while unwavering in their defense of the STD, I am sort of coming around I guess.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Paul, the problem with Tom Cruise is that it is a never-ending series of one-liner smart ass trolling quips. If he ever really bothered to post some legitimately described paragraphs covering actual positions he is taking, people wouldn’t treat him like the inconsequential troll that most of us view him as.

          • Paul Walker

            Thank you for the enlightenment. I can understand the hurt feelings over the decisions Paramount and CBS have made in the past 12 years regarding the Trek property but he should be able to more eloquently post his arguments it seems.

        • Can’t wait to read some of your valid criticisms.

          • mr joyce

            Lol.. he wont

          • Paul Walker

            Hi, I am new here but would like to understand why certain people are automatically despised for giving an opinion about a new show for example. Anyway, great site and grateful it is here.

        • mr joyce

          Make a valid comment then maybe you might be taken seriously

          • Paul Walker

            So everyone dislikes Tom? Give him a second chance! Please I beg of you. We all love Star Trek.

        • Jesus Christ

          tOM WHAT IS YOUR SECRET? I DISAGREE AND DEY BAN ME, YOU SEEM TO STAY FOR LIFE

    • Paul Walker

      Tom, has Shane Nokes ever been extremely rude to you just because he disagreed with you on something?

  • Neill Stringer

    Does the book explain the conflict in tech design?

    • Alex Perry

      It touches upon it a bit!

    • Tuskin38

      I haven’t noticed any tech mentions yet, but it does explain why they have different uniforms.

  • Philip Davis

    Interesting…& I’m tempted to buy the book. However, it would have been nice if the review had been spell-checked…

  • CAPTAIN D-MAN

    The book literally starts with “Goddamn it. What now?”.

  • bytes

    lol Trek books

    • Quintillion Tesla

      No one’s forcing you to read them.

    • CAPTAIN D-MAN

      lol nonsensical comments

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Hodor!

  • jonathanwthomas

    This is what was frustrating about the premiere, I loved the Shenzhou and it’s crew and Captain Georgoiu. I would love more of their adventures. Instead, the premiere was the END of their story and next week we get a whole new ship and crew.

    • Quintillion Tesla

      But that’s the thing – if this were any other prior Star Trek show, we’d obviously be seeing the adventures of the Shenzhou. But as Your Worst Nighmare has excellently put it elsewhere, in effect, what we’re seeing is “the very dark finale of STAR TREK: SHENZHOU” ( that will lead us into DISCOVERY ).

      I actually appreciate that the show is trying a different storytelling formt than what we’re used to -whether it succeeds or not, only time will tell – perhaps STAR TREK fans will not allow TREK to deviate from the tried-and-tested week-by-week Story A-to-B-to A format.

      That said, the flashback glimpses of Georgiou and Burnham do make me eager to “the Lost seven years of Shenzhou”* so I am eager to dive deep into this book ( which I’ve purchased ).

      *again, props to Your Worst Nightmare.

    • SpaceCadet

      I think we’ll get more of the Shenzhou and crew in future flashbacks but the whole point of the starting to get to know Shenzhou and crew only to have them yanked away from us was basically to put the audience on notice that this is not like your previous Star Trek series and all bets are off. And there had to be a dramatic storyline for Burnham to have her downfall and feel guilt about before she gets her groove back.

      • jonathanwthomas

        Don’t get me wrong, I get it. I’m along for the ride. Just a shame is all!

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      I predicted back in Spring, and I’m sticking with it, that continual flashbacks to build up character development (like on Lost) will be shown all season long with Georgoiu and the Shenzhou. So “they are still around” dramatically for this season at least.

      • Quintillion Tesla

        I hope so. Arrow has also done this to really good effect ( mostly ).

        If…IF Discovery gets to a seven year run ( I can’t predict anything one way or another as the television landscape has changed so much over the years ), I would appreciate it ( personally speaking ) to have heavy flashbacks to the Shenzhou era – perhaps even one or two entire episodes.

      • FightingMongooses

        I wouldn’t be surprised, that Shenzhou set looked very expensive. Doubt they’d want to tear it down after one episode.

      • Erica Taylor

        True.

      • Paul Walker

        I bet you are right. That seems likely. Personally, I find over-use of flashbacks to be bad story telling. But that is just my humble opinion.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    Is this just another one of those SJW adventures, with lens flares written into the dialogue, and obviously not taking place in the Prime universe?

    (sarcasm)

    • Paul Walker

      What does SJW mean?

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        A term “Tom Cruise” uses a lot here in his trolling one liners in derogatory fashion to make fun of the diversity in the new series. SJW = Social Justice Warrior

        “Tom” tries to interject alt-right politics sometimes. We typically just ignore him, as this is Trek fan site, and we don’t want to directly discuss politics here.

        • Paul Walker

          Yeah that is for the best. I have never voted myself. Alt right stuff and antifa stuff both feel full of hate and bigotry with no real humanity and solution. It’d be lovely if the Great Bird of the Galaxy’s vision of the future could become a reality. That scene between Picard and Alfre Woodward about the Enterprise E not costing money in First Contact is particularly moving.

          • Not to be that guy, but fascists and anti-fascists are far from being the same.

            That’s literally the same as claiming American soldiers and Nazi soldiers were just the same thing under different labels.

            Antifa isn’t an actual group. It’s just short for anti-fascist. If you hate Nazi’s and racists you’re Antifa without realizing it.

            This isn’t meant as an insult, but as a factual correction.

          • Paul Walker

            Okay, I mean this with all due respect, but your “factual” correction is based solely on your false assumption that all German soldiers were Nazis and therefore wrong, bad, and evil. History is written by the victors, always has been and always will be. I am not defending Nazism, but you have to be completely ignorant to think American interests were 100% innocent and altruisticly motivated. Seriously though, why can’t we all just get along?

          • I didn’t say German soldiers. I said Nazi soldiers.

            i specified Nazi for the very reason you pointed out. I made no such ASSumption. That was you.

            As regards getting along? That went out the window the moment you lied about what I said and insinuated that I am completely ignorant.

          • Paul Walker

            Wow, sounds like you care more about winning an online argument than community. Say what you say, capitalize your profanity laced insults and call me a liar I really don’t care. I say good day sir.

          • Oh so lying and calling me completely ignorant is a way to try to befriend me?

            I’ve hung around TrekCore for over a decade now. Your lies and assumptions continue to be hilariously transparent.

            With friends like you who needs enemies?

            You’re a troll just like “Tom Cruise”. Folks like you are who destroys communities, not I.

            But sure pretend that I said Germans not Nazi’s and let’s ignore the fact that you made a political statement before telling me to stay away from making political statements.

            I mean who needs reality and facts to interfere with your delusions?

            What a joke you are.

          • Paul Walker

            No, I am confused? I did not mean to lie? As far as “calling you completely ignorant” I wasn’t actually calling you ignorant, just trying to respond to you accusing me of not knowing what antifa and alt-right were and Nazi soldiers and American soldiers in WWII — Like that discussion was basically between me and The Science Fiction Oracle resolving to not get political on this site and then you had to come OUT OF THE BLUE and start attacking me. What do you expect? And then your only defense is to call me a troll? How utterly obtuse, generic and lazy.

          • Oh and to be clear you’re far too obvious with your trolling. Either gain some skills or quit while you’re already pathetically behind.

          • Paul Walker

            I am not trolling, I am sorry you feel that way. Not sure what can be done to salvage our friendship as you keep continually hurling baseless accusations and insults at me.

          • Paul Walker

            But you miss the mark and point of this discussion entirely. We are all here because we share a love for Star Trek. Let’s all keep on topic and stay away from politics.

            What are your favorite episodes, shows and movies in the Trek universe? Also how do you feel about the STD?

          • Marvel Forever

            Seriously, what a fool to think that fascists and anti-fascists are even remotely similar. Glad this Paul guy got banned.

        • Jesus Christ

          You and shannon smith were my only friends. Now I hang on the cross. 2626253

    • Jesus Christ

      You and shannon smith were my only friends. Now I hang on the cross. 1266yy

  • May have to get this, I do enjoy his writing fr the most part.

  • Wow, In love with this series, but only watched two episodes, but I wanna know, was that an introduction to the Star Trek Discovery? Or the end of season one.
    Anyway, I would love to see people like Kirk and co.

    • There are 13 more episodes. They will come out once per week with the hated mid season break.

      • Oh No, That’s not good. I hate it when tv series is released in that kind of gaps

  • blasonduo

    Now that I now the Enterprise is in it, we really missed out on that front cover.
    It would have been great to have seen the Shenzhou and the Enterprise side by side.

    • Nah, because they have not showed the redesign yet. And if they did some folks world boycott it at once lol.

      • Jesus Christ

        You and science fiction oracle were my only friends. Now I hang on the cross. 2562tyg26

  • jurassicbond

    I’m intrigued in all honesty.

  • Paul Walker

    ALL that matters is whether it is profitable not whether it is good. All 3 nu Trek films sick but the 1st too made boatloads. Nemesis failed to deliver dough and killed the Prime timeline when I was in high school and that broke my heart. Still wanting to see Star Trek TNG 5 the search for Data…

    • All thee of the Kelvin films made cash. The Last did not blow anything away but doubled it cost. And yeah, Nem is the worse one , profit wise.

      • Paul Walker

        Yes but wouldn’t you rather see the narrative move forward than more prequels?

        • Paul Walker

          Especially of TOS era.

        • I don’t care the time as long as it did not look TOS. There are all kinds of places left to expand and late VOY kinda hurt any though of keeping the story going without retcons.

          • Paul Walker

            True, I guess any Trek expansion is good.

          • Really, it does boil down to Nem and the over all low box office of all the TNG movies. They had one hit and everything else was “Meh ” to “Oh gods no!” And then you had the IP split and they just rebooted it. TOS has invaded pop cultural. TNG is doing so now, but TOS has for 50 years.Folks know the names and such even if they have never watched it.

            And really the Kelvin moves have breathed life and new fans into trek, so they went with the same timeframe, the TOS era.

          • Paul Walker

            True, the cynical truth of dollars and pop culture. I will always miss my TNG, DS9 and VOY characters, however.

          • I would have loved to have seen Captain Worf.

          • Paul Walker

            Yeah and Captain Riker. Work became an ambassador in all good things though. Didn’t he become chancellor of Qor`noS?

          • Something Like that, Micheal dorn was pushing for the Captain worf show.

          • Paul Walker

            Of course he was, money in his pocket. But seriously that would’ve been awesome. They should’ve let Dorn do Discovery and kept the Klingons more recognizable, then I would have loved it.

          • I honestly Like the new Klingon make up. I would like to see them in something like TNG era gear, but better made. I mean Look at Kol here, this is kinda closer to TOs klingon uniforms. I wish I could find a good screen cap of those Other house klingons in the hologram

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/da1e83296fcef5e87b8fe98f85869e1d50538a5a07c6165f455dea8fc04cf7d1.jpg

          • Paul Walker

            But why are they all bald with claws? This isn’t Christopher Plummers general chang from 6

          • It looks like they are all Bald with claws. Ya know claws really fit the Klingon. The designer really went and though about Klingon biology, about the lore and how they are more or less armored predators.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/899b442d18491f05cf4add453fa37287a1297cee64066bb6e8c0494ba5bf8a66.jpg
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e00ca4e529343a2a349c21dca6a6229f5934915a9e176788d0526aedc248dd76.jpg

            See those little pits on the skull and skin? Sensor pits like a viper. If you think back to have Klingons always moved in TNG onward with moving their heads as if smelling or sensing something. He ran with that idea. Same with the armored nostril and 4 openings, as klingons are armored and have redudent organs. Look at worf, as the series went on he got more and more armored out of uniform.

          • Paul Walker

            So they go from simple prosthetics on their foreheads to bald? The least they could do is bring back the bad ass long black and brown manes they all had. I don’t need my klingons to look like Alien vs. Predator.

          • No clue why they went bald, although I do not mind. It was fullers call, he wanted em bald. and Really GR’s Behold the bald klingon

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6fbf343337f234121bb108ae4937177edb9e7a4e27a7f4dbf8b931a49f7da746.jpg

          • Paul Walker

            Bah-dah too-moh Bagh Da tuH mogh Fire streaks the heavens
            Sho-jah doo-roh ChojaH Duh rHo The battle has begun
            Ya-zjah kay-oh yIjah, Qey’ ‘oH
            Ya-zjah kay-oh yIjah, Qey’ ‘oH

          • Paul Walker

            Fuller was fired for some reason or quit, ultimately I cannot agree with the claws and the baldness, but am sure that hardcore old school Trekkies thought the same thing about the changes in the Klingons when TMP hit theaters. So it is whatev.

          • Oh yeah, they hated the changes. But I would say you just saw why they went bald

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You bring up the Christopher Plummer Klingon. That was the culmination of the “making the Klingons look more human” regression in both the Beranl and Bennett Trek eras from the much more alien-looking Klingon re-design that we saw in TMP.

            Chang is practically human looking — not a very convincing alien at all in my book…he’s nearly back to the TOS look of Klingons. And worse than speaking English, he quotes Shakespeare as well. Great actor and a fun character to watch, but an epic fail in terms of a legitimate alien race shown in Trek.

          • Paul Walker

            I agree, so the ultimate conclusion is that Klingons are all over the map in terms of looks. It will still take me a while to accept the new ones though. I thought TNG era was already great, why fix what is not broken?

          • jurassicbond

            Remain Klingon by not looking remotely Klingon!

          • Paul Walker

            My sentiments exactly.

          • It was his pitch. Kinda the one that upset Trump supporters. He wanted to bring the Houses together, to remain Klingon, to keep their culture, their identity . He hated the Federation and its ways, its diversity and unity, he thought it stripped away whatever made a culture its own thing. So he used that as his rallying cry.

            Any really, you can’t bitch too much on changing the looks. This is like the 8th look change and Honestly is getting closer and closer to what GR wanted. He saw them as descended from crustations so armed and predatory things. He started the redesigning with all new make up in TMP

          • Paul Walker

            So the main Klingon is supposed to be Trump?

          • Not really. But they clearly used dome of that ideology in the plot. Trek tends to do thst kinda thing.

          • Paul Walker

            Which is great. Good Sci-Fi and fantasy needs to echo current social issues of course. But is Trump really anti-diversity? Personally, I think he is just a greedy power hungry dude in the guise of a politician now because it suits his purposes of ego but who knows.

          • His power base is.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            add “moron” to your description of him. 🙂

          • Paul Walker

            Yeah for sure. My prediction is the Captain Lorca is Section 31.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            That might explain how he would have the power to get Michael out of a life sentence?

            A “Dirty Dozen” situation so to speak (you should get this reference given your love of old movies, right?)

          • Paul Walker

            Yes, exactly! Great reference! Can’t wait for the next episode now.

          • Jesus Christ

            You and shannon smith were my only friends. Now I hang on the cross.You and shannon smith were my only friends. Now I hang on the cross.

          • Paul Walker

            I get it, but I wonder if it were necessary. If GR really wanted them to look like this why did they just look normal in TOS? I just would love to see some that look like TNG era, some that look like TOS era, then I can accept these new looking ones I suppose.

          • Budget. It was 1966 man, sci fi shows are super expensive. Even the limited brown face was costly.

            I for one never wanna see the TOS versions shown on trek again.

          • jurassicbond

            To be honest, this is the most extreme change by far. I have no problem with the way they looked and changed previously. This is just quite extreme and it will take a while to adjust to this. I mean, imagine if they changed the look of the Vulcans?! lol

          • This is actually pretty close to how GR planned them in TMP. I am guessing( as the armor from the sketch is damned close) they used those sketches and notes to guide this. Vulcans got minor changes over the years, Klingons got 4 major and 7 total, Other races have got just as massive a change over the years. And lets not forget the Romulan ridges.

          • Paul Walker

            Plus those ears make em seem like Romulans or Vulcans.

          • Not really the same type of ears. We have not seen Klingon ears since Chang!

          • jurassicbond

            Me too! That would have been so intriguing! I guess the studios felt it wasn’t what people would want to see. The problem with he suits, is that they think they know what people want even though they don’t have any passion or care for it other than it making a profit…which I understand. It’s just ugh…get rid of All Access! lol

          • I think Nem Killed it, well the last three or so TNG movies killed it. Slowly one by one they drove the fans away with those movies and so now the studio is very iffy on trying something with TNG ties.

          • Paul Walker

            True. But those characters are missed.

          • Sometimes I feel like I’m the only one that liked all 4 TNG movies. 😜

          • You may be lol.

          • Paul Walker

            I love all 4 of them too! See Shane we can be friends and build on common ground!

          • Jesus Christ

            I ACTUALLY DID TOO BUT YOU SUCK FOR BEING A DICK FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU STOP GETTING ME BANNED FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU STOP GETTING ME BANNED

          • You’re the one getting yourself banned, idiot.

          • …and he asks why I won’t be his friend… LOL

          • Jesus Christ

            shannon smith were my only friends. Now I hang on the cross.

          • jurassicbond

            I can see this being a very valid point. However, having a Worf series would be something we all would enjoy. hehe

          • Yeah, Oh gods yeah lol

          • Paul Walker

            I can’t agree with you more there. I’d rather use that money towards buying the blurays.

  • Just snagged the audio version from Audible. Should make for a good night time listen. I love David Mack. 😊

    Hopefully this will also help me get more into Discovery. The first two episodes just didn’t scratch my itch for the Prime timeline feel. I hope that starts to shift a bit.

    I just don’t feel in the mood for a long wartime storyline.

    I don’t mind conflict. I just need to see the hope of a bright shining future as only Star Trek can do it.

    • Erica Taylor

      Of course you don’t mind conflict, from the look of your posts you crave it.

      • In about a decade of hanging out here I’ve never had to block anyone, until the two of you illiterate twits.

        Piss off brain dead troll.

        • Captain Picard

          Nice, Shane is very concerned.

          • Concerned? You’re a useless troll who is now blocked. Go win a Darwin Award. 😊

          • Paul Walker

            Why do you have to be so rude to new people?

          • DC Forever

            You just showed up here. Maybe learn the territory a bit before you appoint youself as the Trekcore Jimmy Carter. 🙂

          • Paul Walker

            Lol fair enough, I apologize. I really don’t want to annoy anyone..

          • DC Forever

            Shane, you go right on defending yourself! You’ve been here for years, and those personal attacks on you are uncalled for.

          • Thank you. 🙂 I suspect sock-puppeting as well.

          • Paul Walker

            But the thing is I never intended personal attacks on Shane. Just got defensive when he started telling me what is what out of the blue for no reason. Just to be right? I mean I didn’t even say anything controversial, just that I thought it was best not to get political. And what the heck is sock-pupping?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Did you change this post substantially from an hour ago?

            I could have sworn you posted something like, “you caught me; I apologize”

            ???

          • Paul Walker

            No, I did say that on another post but was being sarcastic because I am not sure what else to do to get them to just make peace with me.

          • Paul Walker

            “Avatar
            Paul Walker DC Forever • 3 hours ago
            I am sorry. You caught me. I just didn’t know why everyone was attacking me. I really just want to get along here. And I am sorry to Shane too.”

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Ah, yes, OK. Thanks.

            As someone new, I think you should probably watch all “the regulars” for a week or so here to get the context of the relationships. You seem to be “jumping into the fire” a lot in terms of some of the long-standing relationships between various strong personalities here. I would suggest you give it a few days before you make either overly negative or overly positive conclusions on posters who have been here for years.

            Just my two cents, dude

          • Paul Walker

            Yeah, thanks for the advice. I agree, just I didn’t realize people would be so touchy but technically Shane started it. Oh well, live and let live says I. I will be more careful in the future.

          • DC Forever

            Interesting how you “just joined” Disqus, but immediately insert yourself into this argument.

            Interesting coincidence!

          • Paul Walker

            Well what is wrong with that, maybe CP just like wants to make friends and not enemies but also feels like people are picking on him. Cyber bullying has real sad consequences for the victim sometimes they make bad life choices because of it.

          • Marvel

            Fuck you asshole, I can get in here and remind everyone what a stupid piss ant you are anytime I want. Go fuck yourself. You ruined my life by tattle telling lies…

        • Captain Picard

          Do you even know what illiterate means? Not the way I think you used the word. Obviously I can read.

          • Obviously not. Buh bye loser.

          • Paul Walker

            Me, you and Captain Picard need to have a peace conference to resolve our differences. CP has bothered me before too but I told her to be civil and now we are friends.

          • DC Forever

            CP just joined Disqus 5 hours ago and has made 4 posts total. So how could he have possibly bothered you before?

            I certainly hope that you are not messing with us here, and that you are not also this CP under a separate account? I will assume the best and hope that is not the case?

          • Paul Walker

            I am sorry. You caught me. I just didn’t know why everyone was attacking me. I really just want to get along here. And I am sorry to Shane too.

          • DC Forever

            How’s that “Marvel Forever” ID attempt working out for you?

            Whoops! Lol

          • Marvel

            Fuck you asshole, I can get in here and remind everyone what a stupid piss ant you are anytime I want. Go fuck yourself. You ruined my life by tattle telling lies.

          • Yeah they are getting annoying using accounts so they can flood my e-mail.

          • Marvel Forever

            I see you have given this a lot of thought. Not sure why you have no life.

          • Jesus Christ

            I am not Michael Dan King or whatever the fuck. Thanks for blaming me for a past troll.

          • Marvel

            Fuck you asshole, I can get in here and remind everyone what a stupid piss ant you are anytime I want. Go fuck yourself. You ruined my life by tattle telling lies……

        • Marvel

          Fuck you asshole, I can get in here and remind everyone what a stupid piss ant you are anytime I want. Go fuck yourself. You ruined my life by tattle telling lies……!@RG

      • Oh and hi Erica Taylor who just changed her name to Captain Picard to try to hide her identity.

        Neither of you trolls have more than a half a brain cell between you both.

        Bye moron number 2.

        • Ugh, It bugs me when folks,switch names

          • Same. Over 10 years hanging out here and never had to block anyone until today…and then bam 2.

            Wondering if he didn’t just make a new sock puppet account to try to upset me.

            All I do is mock them then block.

          • I have lile 10 spam accounts blocked and a single poster

          • Paul Walker

            Why is wrong for someone to change their name?

          • Answered above. The guy I blocked did not change his, he was just a troll

          • DC Forever

            You seem to support the multiple names thing? Just curious then, were you a former poster here who went by two names: Michael and Dan King?

          • Paul Walker

            No, I am not. And no, I don’t necessarily support it I was just curious.

          • Paul Walker

            I too love DC comics. Prefer them to Marvel. Do you like the DCEU?

          • Marvel

            Fuck you asshole, I can get in here and remind everyone what a stupid piss ant you are anytime I want. Go fuck yourself. You ruined my life by tattle telling lies…..p2398u50298

          • Paul Walker

            Why does that bug you? Maybe she didn’t want her real name on the web?

          • Because it changes all past posts, sows confusion and its a known trolling technique. Its the reason I have never changed mine

          • Paul Walker

            Okay I understand. I did change my avatar to avoid offending others, is that okay?

          • Go look at his old posts, see eceything he ever posted is under the new name. You can change yours if you like, its just a personal dislike

          • Paul Walker

            Gotcha, do you think there is anything I can do to get Shane and DC Comics to not be hating on me so much? I really don’t want to be the next Tom Cruise here.

          • They like you or they don’t. No ones gonna really lump you in with tom. He earned that over months

          • Paul Walker

            Thank you for your advice. I respect your opinion and will just have to stop trying with them, even though it feels like they attacked me first.

          • No clue man. Some folks just do not get along

          • Jesus Christ

            You and shannon smith were my only friends. Now I hang on the cross. 2otu[2

        • Jesus Christ

          You are the moron.

    • DC Forever

      Thanks Shane. Please let us know if you recommend getting this novel.

      • Will do. I’ll probably have the audiobook finished within a couple days. I usually listen for a while just before sleeping. 🙂

  • pittrek

    Will the books be canon?

    • Books are never canon

      • This one might be considered canon since it was handled differently than prior Trek novels.

        It had a lot more involvement from the team on the show. We’ll know for sure if they reference the books at all in the show. 😊

        • It is not. Already confirmed, like all othets this is non canon.

          • Paul Walker

            Memory beta is a good site for the books.

          • It is. I like they are non canon, The D&D setting forgotten realms made all thier books canon. But 200+ books in with another 50 or more game sourcebooks it became such a nightmare for players and the writers they nuked it to start over. Which in turn drove fans away.

            There is a leasson here

          • Paul Walker

            I completely agree. There comes a point where only the super dedicated and religious can follow canon.

          • Look up the number of books sometimes. Then look at the number of publishers

          • Paul Walker

            Could this argument not also be made with the many many producers and writers and directors of the various shows and television and films? They don’t always respect what came before them.

          • Not really. Nove ls have never been canon, the show has. Retcons are common and not really about not respecting

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Exactly! You broke the code, dude!

            For the reasons I mentioned in my earlier post on Enterprise and the NX-01 canon fiasco, I personally have a hard time accepting Enterprise as canon. And Enterprise’s awful fan-pandering 4th season doesn’t help at all to push me in the direction of consideration that awful show Trek canon.

            Others get really upset when I bring this up though. But that is my opinion, and I thinks its reasonably defendable, but I certainly have no issue with people disagreeing.

            My point though is that IT IS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION!

        • Paul Walker

          Canon is a dubious term when talking Trek and even Star Wars these days for that matter. Anyone can believe anything is canon and canon can be changed on the whim of a corporate mandate or individual producer’s wish.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Agreed. Anyone who insists their is rock hard definition of canon that we all agree on is smoking weed…no offense meant to Shannon and my other good friends here who I know are part of that group. 🙂

            It still irks me to this day the way Berman overwrote Rodenberry’s canon on the Starfleet predecessor ship for the Enterprise series. Roddenberry had already established that ship as the XV-330, and even showed it in TMP such that it became canon. But then Berman and Drexler made up their own NX-01 just because they had the power to do so — completely disrespecting Trek history and Trek’s creator.

          • Paul Walker

            Exactly! Thank you for pointing out this perfect example. I appreciate it.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            No problemo!

        • DC Forever

          Yea, similar to the Countdown comics for the first 2 JJ movies. Again, kind of a cannon grey area — open to debate.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            If we accept Bob Orci’s past statements, then those comics are canon.

            However, I never really bought into the idea the Bob Orci was high enough in the Trek food chain to be able to make “canon pronouncements” like that.

          • Jesus Christ

            You and shannon smith were my only friends. Now I hang on the cross.w2626

          • Jesus Christ

            Those were Never CANON and fuck BOB ORCI’s arrogance for pronouncing them as such. Those comic books were better than the fucking nu Trek movies FACT!!!

      • DC Forever

        True! Official movie noveluzations are a bit of a grey area though.

        • Paul Walker

          I believe it is spelled grAy.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Depends on whether you are U.S. or U.K.

          • Paul Walker

            True, I knew that, thanks for reminding me. I am from the U.K. well at least my ancestors – I should be more respectful of remembering their spellings on words.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well, his spelling of “noveluzations” is not correct ANYWHERE. LOL

          • Paul Walker

            lol GOOD CALL

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Personaly, I’ve always considered the movie novelizations canon. They work from the script and flesh our more details, and then need to get it approved by the producers usually. So it’s official!

      • Jesus Christ

        You and shannon smith were my only friends. Now I hang on the cross. 26253

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      About as canon as the show itself, yes?

      • DC Forever

        I’d enjoy watching you being fired out of a cannon…we’ll that is a bit harsh….a circus cannon of course. lol

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  • Looks like Paul Walker or someone claiming to be them using the name Marvel thinks it’s funny to keep creating new accounts and trying to use them to spam my e-mail with profane messages.

    What a child…

    • Jesus Christ

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