After sitting with the premiere episodes of Star Trek: Discovery for nearly a week, I have to declare the show — even at this early time in its run — an unqualified success. With expectations from fans, media and stakeholders at immeasurable levels, the new series does not disappoint, delivering intricate, well-paced and cerebral science fiction, with elite-level visual effects and the massive action sequences you would expect in today’s marketplace.

“This isn’t about what happened, Sarek. It’s what’s happening now.” – Michael Burnham

What Star Trek: Discovery and their entire production team accomplish in the first two hours of their much-discussed foray into the modern television age of compact seasons and serialized storytelling, is nothing short of miraculous. And by that we mean specifically that they kept a really big secret and were able to unleash a really big surprise.

SPOILER WARNING!

THE BELOW REVIEW REVEALS MAJOR STORY POINTS FROM
THE FIRST TWO EPISODES OF “STAR TREK: DISCOVERY.”

Through months of hype and promotion, we’ve known about a war with the Klingons. We’ve known about the migration of series lead Sonequa Martin-Green’s Michael Burnham from the USS Shenzhou to the USS Discovery. We’ve guessed at a passage of time between the two ships and at the fate of Shenzhou captain Philippa Georgiou, portrayed by Michelle Yeoh.

What we didn’t know is what the show is really going to be about. And that’s where the success of “The Vulcan Hour” and “Battle at the Binary Stars” can truly be found. The last-second reveal at the conclusion of the show’s second hour is an all-time great Star Trek cliffhanger, and made even more impactful when you consider we’ve only known Michael Burnham for two hours.

Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) on the bridge of the USS Shenzou. (CBS)

The first two episodes of Star Trek: Discovery play as a prequel to the real story that’s about to unfold: Burnham’s journey from a disgraced, imprisoned mutineer to, well, that’s what we’re seemingly going to find out across 13 more episodes.

In these first two hours, the writer’s room has packed an impressive amount of definition and motivation into the initial unspooling of Burnham’s backstory.

The dynamic between Burnham and Doug Jones’ Saru, in addition to Georgiou, is explored in very interesting and detailed ways in the first hour. Their somewhat adversarial approach to decision-making was played to perfection, with intelligent and cogent writing that allows the viewer to easily support either officer’s position.

Saru (Doug Jones), Burnham, and Georgiou (Michelle Yeoh): the command crew of the USS Shenzhou. (CBS)

To think this dynamic has already been achieved in advance of Burnham’s betrayal makes their eventual reunion on the Discovery — as we’ve seen both characters on that ship in promotional photography — into one of the most anticipated story points of the upcoming season. Burnham and Saru are likely to be a core element to be explored throughout the season.

And about that betrayal… it’s hard to put into words how surprising and emotionally effective that Burnham’s Vulcan pinch, sucker punch to Georgiou truly was; it certainly sent a gasp of shock through the crowd at the Hollywood premiere screening! That defining moment of the series’ first two hours is contrasted against a number of powerful, moving scenes between Martin-Green and Yeoh, especially when Georgiou returns to the Shenzhou bridge and halts her first officer with the barrel of a phaser.

Although the opening vignette on a desert world is a slightly clunky introduction to the characters — with lots of somewhat dry (pardon the pun) exposition about their mission on the planet — it reveals Georgiou’s confidence in Burnham as she proclaims she is ready for command.

Sarek (James Frain) and Burnham in the USS Shenzhou’s transporter room. (CBS)

More importantly, it sets the scene for an excellent transporter room flashback to their introduction seven years prior. Introduced as Sarek’s (James Frain) ward, Burnham has been raised by Spock’s family on Vulcan after her parents were killed by Klingons. The strong scene provides instant character depth for the smooth, nonplussed Georgiou and the stuck-between-two-worlds Burnham.

In another establishing scene for Georgiou, Burnham and Saru, the captain sarcastically teases them when they are on the same page for once in terms of their next bridge action. The scene showcases Georgiou’s easy, but firm style, and how she is a mentor to her entire crew.

Saru (Doug Jones), Burnham, and Georgiou on the Shenzhou bridge. (CBS)

Those exchanges make Georgiou’s death all the more palpable for Burnham, who must not only face the psychological pain of her decisions (watching her mentor die in front of her), but the physical ramifications, as well: being imprisoned for life for mutiny as the credits role on “Battle at the Binary Stars.” It’s that cliffhanger that is achieved so magnificently that gives the Star Trek: Discovery debut episodes their significant heft.

Also of note is the death of young Ensign Danby Connor (Sam Vartholomeos), who has represented the show at both the Star Trek 2017 convention in Las Vegas, as well as at the Hollywood premiere last week. Will we see him again in future flashbacks? Unclear.

As the hype in advance of the premiere seemed to indicate, the Kelpian Saru is seemingly destined to standout in the coming months as a revolutionary character. Jones, a master craftsman at acting through prosthetics, has imbued the character with a riveting sense of caution and reason in the face of calculated decision-making. It’s an important and subtle distinction for Jones to achieve in his portrayal, lest the character come off as cartoonish or cowardly. He succeeds wildly.

Lieutenant Commander Saru, the first Kelpian in Starfleet. (CBS)

The deliberate, methodical pacing of “The Vulcan Hello” takes the time to weigh the tactical decisions facing the crew of the Shenzhou. Much the way Kirk and Spock once debated their next move against the crafty Romulan commander in “Balance of Terror,” “The Vulcan Hello” showcases a strong ability to slow down and let the story unfold.

Of course, slowing down and letting the story unfold does not come at the expense of some massive action sequences and impressive visual effects. From the impressive production design seen throughout the uniforms, props and on screen visual displays to the complicated space battles, the “Battle at the Binary Stars” has it all. The pièce de résistance comes with a fun reveal of a cloaked Klingon ship ramming and piercing the hull of the USS Europa, led by short-lived fleet Admiral Anderson (Terry Serpico).

The USS Europa crashes into a cloaked Klingon ship, shortly before its destruction. (CBS)

Another impressive special effect comes in a powerful scene for Burnham as she escapes the brig while the USS Shenzhou crumbles around her. In both her well-timed dive through the vacuum of space and her ethereal encounter and pep talk with Sarek via a subspace Katra call, the visual effects astound.

Although we have yet to see a number of main characters on screen yet (most notably Jason Isaacs’ Capt. Lorca and Anthony Rapp’s Lt. Stamets), the cast on display here is pitch perfect. Frain is especially impressive stepping into the iconic role of Sarek, hitting just the right notes of support and expectation in relation to his “ward.”

Sarek reveals to Burnham that part of his katra resides in her. (CBS)

That bond is enhanced with a nifty trick not previously seen in Trek, in which he utilizes some sort of Katra transference to save her life as a child and establish an even stronger link between the two characters.

We see that link in a ‘Katra séance’ that is likely to be debated by fans in terms of its convenience for the story and its overall effectiveness, but it works as a subliminal kick in the pants for Burnham, while strengthening her bond and connection with Vulcan.

As for the ‘controversial’ portrayal of the Klingons in this new series, well, yeah, they don’t have hair, and the makeup is a bit different. Other than that, they basically look, talk and act just like every incarnation of Klingons you’ve seen through 51 years of televised Star Trek.

(Though we do agree with one criticism regarding the audio quality of the Klingon actors’ dialogue; while subtitles give us the meaning of their words, it’s difficult to tell if their voices are being digitally altered or they’re just having trouble enunciating through the makeup and false teeth.)

T’Kuvma (Chris Obi) prepares a fallen warrior for burial on the exterior of his ancient ship. (CBS)

These Discovery-era Klingons are defined best by Chris Obi as T’Kuvma, a would-be uniter of the 24 Klingon houses, who he rallies together for a common goal: to push back against Starfleet and his disdain for their oft-repeated platitude, “We come in peace.”

In another surprise achievement unlocked by the Discovery production team, the hyped and promoted T’Kuvma does not survive “The Battle of Binary Stars,” dying at the hand of Michael Burnham after killing Captain Georgiou.

It remains to be seen if Obi’s T’Kuvma will be seen again in flashbacks, but what does seem clear is that brief appearances by the disgruntled Kenneth Mitchell as Kol and the imposing Mary Chieffo as L’Rell will be but the first of many.

New viewers may be lost by some of the Klingon rituals, like the ancient death scream. (CBS)

Although we knew this was coming, and that most of the Klingon scenes would be staged in Klingonese with subtitles, it is surprising to see how that plays out on screen.

The scenes with T’Kuvma are incredibly dense and pack a significant amount of character motivations to navigate through. In fact, the series’ first scene, which will air over-the-air on CBS is T’Kuvma unveiling some of his aspirations for the first time in thick, heavy, perfectly enunciated Klingon.

In an era where CBS is pushing for subscriptions to CBS All Access, it’s hard to imagine the networks brass did not push for something a little more easily digestible in those Klingon scenes. And whether that happened or not, the end result is a gain for fans of the Klingon culture, and for fans of complex narrative that requires you to pay attention.

Georgiou and Burnham on their final mission together. (CBS)

Because that is what we have in Star Trek: Discovery. A nuanced, well-paced, thoughtful examination of motivations and their consequences, being packaged as one mammoth 15-episode arc, with layered, Star Trek storytelling and images interwoven into its DNA.

Jim Moorhouse is the creator of TrekRanks.com and the TrekRanks Podcast.
He can be found living and breathing Trek every day on Twitter at @EnterpriseExtra.

  • JackSparrowJive

    What did you not like about the shows? What constructive criticism do you have? Not asking you to bash the show, but looking for a review that doesnt treat it as perfect either.

    • Right now, I can think of nothing I disliked. Maybe in a few days and with a rewatch

      • Quintillion Tesla

        I thought both eps were far more interesting than the Voyager and Enterprise openings, and everyone cut those show some slack ( as they did with the mediocre TNG and DS9 episodes ), yet I’ve seen some commentors elsewhere state they won’t tune into DSC ( basically because it’s not “perfection” ).

  • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

    Considering Sarek and Spock never mention her, she must have made a huge impression on them.

    Sarek acting like a campy Roman emperor.

    Lens flare when characters are sitting.

    Sucker punch. Edgy!

    • TUP

      Wait. You mean you didn’t like it? I’m shocked.

    • Brian Thorn

      Right, because Vulcans are so open about their personal lives…

    • prometheus59650

      Yawn.

    • You did hate watch lol

    • Claire Brsk

      Oh come on. Spock never told even Jim about his real brother, until STV. And in TOS Jim also found out at the very last minute who Spock’s father and mother were, and only because they were already on board.

      Spock (and Vulcans in general) is perfect for them to pull a “turns out he had a relative/adoptive sibling/etc. that we didn’t know of.”

    • prometheus59650

      Nobody ever mentioned Sybok either.

  • Robbins

    i am not subscripting to this.epic fail the first half of premiere.how about asking someone who actuly watched original series

    ship in planet orbit.this is same mistake into darkness made

    original series era did not have ready rooms for the captain.that s pure next generation era.

    first office log lol

    hologram message oh please.

    klingons so much worse than i feared.

    flashback envoked kelvin not original

    i will say this again.impossable for this to be prequel to original show.spin-off in Kelvin universe maybe or reboot.

    the dark twist is terrable.even on ds9 inless infected by something kira never did this to sisko.

    i am forced to appecate voyager more and that had been my least favorate trek show.it is classic compared to discovery.

    • Brian Thorn

      I thought it was very good. Best Trek pilot to date, even though we still haven’t seen about half the cast or the USS Discovery yet.

      Could have done with less Klingon subtitles though. They should have just done a “Red October”- like transition to English at some point.

      • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

        lol best trek pilot to date

        • Yes, it really was.

        • prometheus59650

          Better than the masterwork in Farpoint:, “Great joy and gratitude. Great joy…and gratitude.”

          I didn’t know whether to laugh or barf.

          • Oh that one started rough man.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Farpoint is pretty bad.

          • prometheus59650

            Based on pilots alone, TNG never should have survived. It’s very, very not good.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            All of the Trek pilots, Discovery’s included, have some pretty big sins. A big part of it is just the need for exposition. The telling not showing that comes with a Trek pilot.

            Farpoint’s biggest sins are the stilted dialogue and poor acting/direction. And the plot isn’t very good. The Q stuff though? Had they not added that? I don’t think the show would have made it past a first season.

          • prometheus59650

            The plot is just bland to me. Like this Farpoint thing was some big mystery for the crew. Honestly, I knew what was going on as soon as Troi beamed into the Farpoint tunnels.

            “Binary Stars” worked better than “Vulcan Hello,” but I accept that, in part the purpose of that first hour was just for Burnam’s backstory and to let the viewer get some attachment to, in particular Georgiou.

            The only test for me when it comes to pilots is if I’d ever watch it again, and this I’ll watch again at some point. I haven’t watched Farpoint in years and years.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            TNG – That’s fair.
            DSC – And that’s part of the head scratchiness that CBS decided to only air the first hour. The second is where things really get started. But it’s still a prologue. And I think I would have liked it much better had the events of these episodes been told via flashback over the course of the season and started with Burnham in her predicament.

          • prometheus59650

            I can see telling it in flashback, and I quite agree that they should have shown the first two episodes together on CBS.

          • Pedro Ferreira
          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Nope. If you’re allowed to make sweeping declarations about unaired episodes, I’m allowed to have an opinion on thirty year old episodes. The joy of having our own minds.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            The production values were better back 30 years ago that’s the thing.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            You could do both at the same time and nobody would care.

          • prometheus59650

            You do.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            No you dooooo.

        • mr joyce

          lol more one liners

        • Pedro Ferreira

          These people are funny.

      • GIBBS v2

        The subtitles were a bit tedious. I wanted to enjoy the visuals but had to keep up with subs. Tiny complaint though for a fantastic premier.

    • This was the best pilot trek has ever had.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        Said no sane Star Trek fan.

    • Io Jupiter

      I agree 100%.

      • Alan Light

        Agreed

    • Pedro Ferreira
  • Daniel Henderson

    I was also expecting more than a cheap cliffhanger to make people give CBS their money. They might as well kicked everyone that watch in the balls or had the balls to keep everything on CBS All Access. I get Encounter At Farpoint isn’t the paragon of Star Trek, but it did a much better job making me interested in watching the second half.

    • Brian Thorn

      What exactly were you expecting? How would you have ended Episode 1 differently?

      • Daniel Henderson

        With Episode 2. It’s one thing to put the first 5 minutes of a movie on Youtube and tell everyone that it’s the first 5 minutes. It’s another thing to craft a pilot with 90% of the action/intrigue/character moments in Hour 2 and then show how magnanimous you are buy showing the first hour. That’s dishonest marketing and an insult to the people you want to buy your product.

        • Aaron

          Agreed to the extent that CBS putting this on All Access, and not even making the first 2 hours available over the air is bullshit. I have no problem with the cliffhanger, and I don’t blame the writers for putting it in. I blame CBS 100% for airing the episodes as it did, essentially forcing you to sign up for at least the trial to see the premiere in its entirety.

        • Brian Thorn

          I can agree with that. CBS should have made it a two-hour pilot airing last night. Still, Episode 1 is part 1 and it was crowded enough as it was without trying to cram in more.

    • To each his own, to me that was a perfect break spot.

    • Mark Bates

      My spoiler-free review of Star Trek Discovery:
      It’s J. J. Abrams styled reboot crap from start to finish. Exactly as we all suspected.
      Junk TV and I hope it dies before it does any further damage to the franchise. I fear it will be the last TV trek for a very long time.

      • Its not “JJ” style at all. Please list things that are not looks that are “JJ style” I’ll wait.

        • Mark Bates

          The prodution style is that of low grade movie. For every second of dialog there’s 10 seconds of visual candy. That’s not Trek TV shows, and it’s pretty bitter tasting candy.

          Being Star Trek, it should have ended with at least some positive payback for the hour you’ve just invested, rather than gritty shitty war.

          In order for war stories to work one must have had sufficient time to build an emotional attachment to the characters. I’ve come away from watching that and genuinely feel the reboot “Klingons” would be doing the federation a favour by euthanising the ship. They should immediately destroy the federation.

          I refuse to endorse it by watching any further episodes, live and let live, so you fangirls can chat amongst yourselves about it until cancelation, all my worst fears have been realised. Bye!

          • 1: Production is out right blockbuster. Do not start off your list with easy to debunk lies.

            2: Star Trek often ends on sad and depressing notes. TOS, TNG, DS9 all of them end often with sad parts. Some of the best stories have ended that way.

            3: You did not like the story, that is you. And its fine for you not to like it. But other enjoyed it and did get an attachment. They have hyped it for months to build that and for many, it worked. This is like Dr.Who and River song, we knew she died at the front. Its story telling, you get it or you do not.

            4: If you don’t wanna watch cool, other trek fans will. No one is gonna make you watch it and its clear you can not be objective anyhow. So don’t watch it.

          • Mark Bates

            Suggest you get out of your fluffy trekcore safe spot and go explore the
            reviews now cascading across the internet. You’re right and they are
            all wrong, right?

            You will see over the coming days just how wrong you are.
            The “don’t judge it until youv’e seen it” trope can longer be used by you.
            People have seen it, people have judged it, and people hate it. No science, no morality play, absolutely nothing other than glutunous VFX left right and centre.

          • Son, I am on a few trek sites. Reviews seem to be damned positive except by haters who have been telling folks it “sucked” for a year. You also failed to provide that list and pure up lied. So you have nothing of value to add.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Did you just call him son? Oooooo…

          • GIBBS v2

            I have no idea what you are talking about reviews are overwhelmingly positive.

          • He thinks it is a bomb, keep saying it looks cheap and acting like the critics have panned it……

          • GIBBS v2

            ‘Looks cheap”, lol! Anyone starting a debate with that does not deserve a response. These are $8-9 million an episode. Only a few shows in tv history have gotten that budget. Every dollar is on the screen for anybody willing to see it.

          • Look at his first posts. I am not sure how much you have to warp yourself to say that. I mean if you do not like the look, that is fine, but you can’t honestly say it looks cheap.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            It looks cheap. At least the effects do.

          • Aaron

            1.). Reviews “cascading” across the internet are largely positive:
            Rotten Tomatoes – 85%
            Metacritic – 76/100
            TV.com – A glowing review (a bit too glowing…)
            Trekmovie – a generally positive review, most comments are in the cautiously optimistic range.

            2.) Why do you want this to fail so much? Because it’s not “your” Star Trek? Well, no offense, but Star Trek was never your’s to begin with. Star Trek is all of ours. You might hate it, which is completely fine, but berating others for liking it, and actively wishing for the show NOT to do well is the epitome of what is wrong with nerdom fans. Get over yourself and let others like it.

            3.) Why the need to make up things to justify your opinion? Your opinion is your opinion, you should need no justification for it – attempting to do so in the manner you have done only shows that you actually think your opinion is wrong, but you must save face.

            4.) I though you were done here? You even said “bye” in a previous post…and yet you’re still here. Rather telling don’t you think?

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I get the impression Shannon lives here:

            https://i.imgur.com/7cpnu2m.gif

          • Alan Light

            have been all over…80% like it, 20% don’t. That sounds successful. Fine if you don’t like it. Don’t watch and go along your merry way. Bye

          • kadajawi

            1. Yes. It looks expensive, and it was.

            2. Yup, and I love depressing shows, depressing episodes.

            3. Still didn’t like the story, even though I love this kind of story telling, my favorite Trek show is DS9 and I enjoy shows that go to very dark places a lot.

          • If ya did not like the story you did not like it. Its like a book everyone rave over and you try it and just can’t get behind it ( With me its Game of Thrones, far, far too depressing for me. I read the 1st books and was done)

          • kadajawi

            True. Well, this was just the preface, and the writers have promised much, much more, so I’ll continue to watch at least a couple more episodes. I made the mistake of not continuing with ENT when it just started to get good, and to be honest all (non TOS) Trek had bad to meh first seasons.

          • I liked ENT personally

          • kadajawi

            Me too. But I didn’t like season 1, and stopped watching. Eventually I did watch it again (from the start), fought through season 1, through season 2, and arrived at season 3 which was pretty good. And then came season 4, which was amazing (why not hire Manny Coto to run Discovery? Or create a new Star Trek show?). I’d argue as good as pretty much any season of Star Trek.

          • I find season 4 to be the weakest personally.

          • Waykent

            “Visual candy” in Star Trek goes back to the very beginning of the franchise. For example, Journey to Babel.

            http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x10hd/journeytobabelhd0271.jpg

            Who are these species? Where do they come from?

          • Snap

            They are the Feznarians, but they got fez up with the drama from the other species and their general lack of fashion, that they opted to not have anything further to do with the Federation. In fact, they misheard the name of the alliance as the “United Fezeration of Planets” and were sorely disappointed when they realised their mistake.

          • bytes

            Those are humans, from Africa.

          • CAPTAIN D-MAN

            I’m pretty sure these guys are from the Golden Lodge.

          • Waykent

            There was no positive payback found within “In the Pale Moonlight.” Yes, the Romulans had entered the war. But at what cost?

          • Dude that was one of the best Trek EP ever.

          • Waykent

            I agree. It went to perhaps the darkest Star Trek has ever gone.

          • We have known for months DSC was going the DS9 route, which is why I have been so hyped. IMO DS9 was the most honest and best version of trek ever.

          • Mark Bates

            Do you think DS9 would have gotten anywhere if that were it’s opening episode with zero charicter backstory or war history whatsoever?

          • Waykent

            Do we even know the name of the Saratoga’s captain at Wolf 359?

          • LOL, oops he forgot he started with death lol

          • Nowhereman10

            Wait, so that whole fight that Kirk had with Gary Mitchell in “Where No Man has Gone Before” is not about combat and death? Who knew…

          • Trolls don’t actually care if the arguments they use are based on facts

          • prometheus59650

            Captain Martok. 😉

          • He was pointing out the fact DS9 began with death and combat, something Mark says no trek had done.

          • prometheus59650

            I know. I was just kidding because Hertzler played the captain.

          • Waykent

            How many characters of the week were killed off, then never spoken of again?

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I hear they’re replying on wonky hand held camera techniques as well.

        • Daniel Henderson

          You mean besides the lens flares, crooked camera angles, fast cutting, a bridge that looks more like the Kelvin that any other Starfleet ship in the prime universe?

          • Those are modern production things, JJ did not invent them and they are not limited to his trek films. And the looks are not Kelvin, you can ripped them apart side by side and they are just not the same style. Its updated, modern and what ENT would look like in a 100 years.

            Both the Kelvin movies and this used ENT’s style, not the 1960’s TOS as a starting point. They did not do things the same way, but used the same starting point.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Just to let you know Shannon is a hypocrite. She says she doesn’t believe in visual continuity yet uses comparisons of the Discovery bridge to TOS’s The Cage bridge. It’s whatever suits her.

        • bytes

          Bridges with windows, instead of view screens.

          • Well, fans have though the cage era ship had windows for decades, so much so that it became its own thing. So Yeah, you found a single change that is the same as Kelvin.

          • kadajawi

            Mh. But during TOS the Delta was used for the Enterprise, other ships had other badges. Now it’s used everywhere. Then again, there’s many things in TOS that got changed… like what the whole organization was called.

            The uniforms… well, it’s close to the NX-01 uniforms, and since it plays between ENT and TOS, that’s possible. Having little details on the uniforms doesn’t hurt either, we may just not have seen them in TOS 😉

            I didn’t like the changed ship phasers. They look so… weak and useless. The phaser beams in TNG, DS9 etc. look much more powerful, almost as if there is some weight behind them. The battle in Discovery was almost pathetic, I just rewatched some DS9 battles, and they seem much more dramatic, there’s more weight behind the ships and the weapons. Like a tiny knife vs a big sword.

          • 1: Nope the Delta was Fleet wide in TOS, you see it worn by other ships. The other logos were a production goof, there is even a memo about this and to never do it again. All Starfleet wore the Delta

            2: Yeah the Uniforms are fine IMO, they do use Cage era color accents.

            3: Nope, someone on TrekBBS hunted them down. This is kinda classic TOS/TMP phasers. TNG away an array system, not the Phaser banks and had a ton more power.

        • bytes

          Ship phasers that are short bursts, instead of beams.

        • bytes

          Hand phasers, that have red or blue visual indicators on them, referencing stun and kill.

          • Production values. Once more. OMG they have ships! so the same.

        • bytes

          Uniforms that use Starfleet deltas as texture pattern.

          • The uniforms are nothing alike, except they have a delta. They are not designed the same way and this was not the uniform used at the time in the Kelvin films.

          • bytes

            The shiny sides of their uniforms are a pattern of tiny deltas. I never noticed, until a cos player pointed it out. The 2009 Trek movie uniforms had even smaller deltas for the entire surface area of their uniforms. Struck me as a JJ idea.

          • Likely someone in production and the suits liked it. The Delta is star trek, its like a billboard sign ( like people could not freaking tell) and its something I personally dislike.

            I rather liked the Kelvin uniforms really. Its a shame more ships were not designed like that as it was rather cool. If ya get a chance, look at the close ups of the Kelvin bridge sometimes.

        • bytes

          The title font.

          • Production value. And not the same font. They look close, but are not the same.

      • Synaesthesiaa

        Well, bye.

        Hopefully you’ll take the rest of the impotent complainers with you.

      • Matthew Burns

        Maybe you will warm up to it later on. The show will take a good season to find its gears. Maybe come back when Season 2 premieres…

      • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

        Well said, very Abrams style with a dull episode having a cliffhanger at the end

        • Well, well said for trolls anyhow.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            That would mean you then?

        • Aaron

          Unfortunately, the pilot episodes were not meant to be split into two in the manner they were split up. Every Trek series (short of TOS) started with a two episode pilot. The difference with the other series, however, was that both episodes aired back-to-back. So even though Ep. 1 ended with a cliffhanger, you could immediately watch the next episode. CBS is being a dick about Discovery though. Airing only the first episode on CBS, and then the second episode only on All Access. Both Eps 1 and 2 were released tonight, the cliffhanger was resolved – CBS just pulled a bait and switch on all of us. Blame CBS, not the show itself.

          • I agree, they should have both been on air and then the switch next week.

          • Aaron

            That’s what I thought they were doing until just today actually. I ended up signing up for the week trial of All Access so I could watch the 2nd episode without waiting to watch it via alternative means. I honestly don’t know what I’m going to do in the future. I really want this show to succeed. We need a good Star Trek show on the air, we need to get some of that optimistic sci-fi back in our lives. But what CBS is doing is downright insulting to us fans, and I don’t want to reward CBS by giving them money. While this is a very unlikely scenario – from what I’ve read, with the various deals with Netflix and other TV networks in different countries (Space in Canada being a big one), Discovery has already made CBS money. Perhaps, just perhaps, if All Access doesn’t do well, they’ll move Trek back to broadcast. Unfortunately, I fear that if All Access doesn’t do well, CBS will blame it on Trek and cancel the series.

          • I already had it, but I agree it was kinda a dick move. I can see why you would do this was a business side, but I think it hurt the episode really.

        • mr joyce

          NOT well said

          • Pedro Ferreira

            No he’s right.

          • mr joyce

            have you seen it then?

      • prometheus59650

        Perhaps Tom Cruise… will follow you out, but of course he won’t.

        • Oh no, he is hate watching this every week to troll

          • Mark Bates

            Yes, because any negative critque is a troll.
            This site is nothing but nasty vindictive star trek fans who want to ram it down everyone’s throats if they enjoiy or not.
            Congratulations, you can now place yourselves in the history books as one of those people who suppored Trek’s 3rd cancelled tv series.

          • You must not have payed tom much mind. He does troll, the staff called him out in this very thread for spreading lies.

          • Mark Bates

            Yes we’re all the same person, in front of the same computer, with the same views. That must be it!

          • You avoided what I just said and your comment has nothing to do with my comment at all.

          • Mark Bates

            Alright dear, don’t get your knickers in a twist

          • Ok, honey stop with the logical fallacies and admit you defended someone you did not know was a known troll. Its cool,

          • Mark Bates

            Ok mate, whatever. Enjoy talking to yourself.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Hi Michael!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Actually, that might not be far from the truth.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Some of the actual Discovery fans here are totally deluded. It is funny but in a worrying kind of way.

          • Aaron

            Negative critique is all well and good, in fact active debate is a great thing, especially around something people love. You have given no critique whatsoever, just random comments amounting to “the show sucks,” “the show looks like crap,” etc. Without ever actually delving into the reason you think this is so. Your actions are the definition of a troll.

        • Mark Bates

          What is quite clearly evident is that you’ve run out of excuses to avoid accepting a bad review of STD.
          It’s aired, it’s bombed, deal with it.

          • Son, the reviews are in and they are pretty much positive across the board.

          • Mark Bates

            The reviews posted in the last 24 hours are terrible. Have you actually bothered to read any indepth critical reviews, or is your source just tweets from the cast, crew and friends who saw the preview?

          • LOL, you are pure up lying now. I posted the major groups above, across the board this is well received. Do a google search, not little blogers, but major critics and such groups,. Its 85% on rotten tomato and that is a damned good rating.

          • Mark Bates

            Go to google, type in “Star trek discovery review”, open the tools panel and select “24 hours” as the search paramiter. Not difficult. Would you like a gif to help you?

          • Son, I posted them above. Its got high rating off the major places. IGN, Rotten tomatoes , IMBD, and a slew of others.

          • Mark Bates

            Live in igorance then, mother.

          • You keep lying, anyone can see you are lying so whatever troll.

          • Mark Bates

            Okay mate. Enjoy your little sandbox.

          • Aaron

            Seriously, how can you still be living in your delusion – I JUST did the Google search you suggested, and proved you wrong. You will definitely find negative reviews, and you are more than happy (and likely) to cherrypick them as to try to prove your point – but at this point you’ve lost all creditability. Even if you somehow came back with a coherent and thoughtful analysis of why you didn’t like Discovery, no one here would give a rats ass about it. You’ve proven yourself to be a troll. You must now bear that burden, a burden of your own creation.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Just stop making stuff up, Mensa.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Yeah because RT and IMDB is so accurate isn’t it?

          • James

            Yes. It’s an accurate representation of what the majority think. So, sometimes I hate something, say like Transformers for example. But, I have to accept that a greater number of people enjoyed it. That’s how life goes sometimes.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            My point is it isn’t accurate.

          • Aaron

            Huh, just did that. Here’s what I got:
            IGN – 7.9
            IMDB – 7.6/10
            TV.com – 10/10
            Google Users – 77%

            Postive reviews from: Variety, Hollywood Reporter, Vulture, The Verge, GameSpot, Deadline, EW (there’s was slightly more lukewarm, though still positive), Collider.

            So where are all your negative reviews???

          • Well, IMBD dropped, but it always does. But at the time he made that comment, he had nothing( still has nothing)

          • Aaron

            Most of the fan ratings will fluctuate a lot over the next few hours/days. However, if people really did hate it as Mark says, the fan ratings would already be showing that (the negative reviewers tend to be the most vocal, especially with Trek). As it stand, Mark is simply full of shit and angry that people don’t agree with him that Discovery is awful and doomed.

          • Agreed, on TrekBBS at this time 59.5% rated EP 1 a 7 or higher and 81.1% rated ep 2 at 7 or higher.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            The only trolls that will stick to their guns ( no matter HOW great the show could be ) will be the likes of MIDNIGHT’S EDGE, and perhaps Robert Meyer Burnett’s buddies John Campea and Jon Schepp who’ve been poo-pooing since day one ( Haven’t seen Campea’s review of the first two eps yet ).

          • Pedro Ferreira

            So those guys are the ones making sense? Thanks for letting me know!

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I’ve seen a couple of those reviews you’ve listed and they haven’t been that positive, more like it’s okay but has room to improve.

          • Aaron

            Bottomline, did you like it? What is your opinion of it? The opinions of others shouldn’t have any bearing on your own. If you liked it, great! If you didn’t like, no positive or “okay” review will change your mind. My feeling – the pilot showed a lot of potential, it’s not there yet, but the potential is there.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Don’t have access to it. I’m not one to hop on a bandwagon just because something is new. I’m not shallow like a lot of users here thank goodness.

          • Aaron

            “Not shallow like a lot of users here…” is a pretty hypocritical thing to say when you haven’t even seen the show, and yet are arguing with people who have and who like it. That’s a pretty shallow and pathetic thing to do. Watch the show first, then come back and have an intelligent conversation with us. If you dislike it after seeing it, then great, come here and discuss what you didn’t like. If you end up liking it, even better! Join us in being happy that Star Trek is back on TV. Otherwise, get over your superiority complex and go away.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Hey Einstein, try Variety, the LA Times and The New York Times

            I’d come right out and say you were lying, but then you would just go back to your babyish whining about me. LOL

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Variety review wasn’t great. Not bad but not great. You’re cherry picking there.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Why do you keep calling him son? Did you give birth at an early age? Do you guys need to be alone?

            https://68.media.tumblr.com/713798abd308beaacdeab4df06457e87/tumblr_inline_oipkv9Kggn1rpeqxb_540.gif

        • Pedro Ferreira
          • prometheus59650

            I’m sorry that you seem to literally have nothing else to do in your life than to put so much energy into a show you can’t stand.

            It doesn’t shock me at all, but I’m still sorry for you.

            That and to not even be clever about it? Only adds to the waste.

          • SpaceCadet

            I don’t even respond to this particular troll anymore. It’s one thing to watch a show and have a constructive debate by sharing insightful comments about what you didn’t like and why, but to not even be watching it and yet still come here to be negative about only what he’s heard and make fun of people who are enjoying it? And the immature name calling? Classic troll behavior. I think you called it right: he has literally nothing else going on in his life.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            What am I supposed to comment on?

      • Aaron

        Good! Does that mean you’ll stop posting here? Or are you going to keep watching so you can keep bitching while trying to prove to yourself that only you are a true Star Trek fan and the rest of us obviously don’t get it?

        • Mark Bates

          I think like most people, we’d just like this site to go back to being about the Star Trek we know and love, not this failed reboot in 95% of all article output.

          • Aaron

            First, don’t include the “like most people,” we know/you know that simply isn’t true. Second, time doesn’t stand still, nuTruk is what we’ve got now, love it or hate it. Complaining that a fan site is reporting on said nuTrek more than the old stuff is pretty illogical, don’t you think?

          • Pedro Ferreira

            And don’t say most people like it either.

          • Aaron

            I never said that…perhaps you should read what I wrote before responding? With that being said, if you read the reviews out there (both from fans and critics), most of the reviewers did like. I’m not sure why that upsets you?

          • SpaceCadet

            Don’t feed this troll. He admitted he doesn’t even watch the show so in what reality does he have the ability to make criticisms of it or attack people for enjoying it?

          • “Star Trek: Discovery” is the currently active portion of the franchise. You can expect reporting on the series to continue.

          • The Final Left Ear

            Well then. Enjoy your advert generating moderated sandbox
            and complete detachment from reality. STD is a monumental disaster, and it’s cost you a hell of a lot of subscribers (and advert clicks) just so you can sit on the fence andcontinue furnishing yourselves with biased articles from the CBS media room.

            This site has lost all legitimacy to all but the hard core TOS fanboys, and you’re all reliving nostalgia at everyone else’s expense.

          • prometheus59650

            Right.

            So you’ll be leaving then?

          • The Final Left Ear

            You can expect your viewer count to go down while you continue to cover this fucking mess.

          • The Final Left Ear

            Then you can expect a drop in readers for as long as you continue with this mes.

          • The Final Left Ear

            Then you can expect a drop in readers for as long as you continue with this mess.

        • No, the troll is not gonna stop

      • Pedro Ferreira
    • Pedro Ferreira

      I think it’s safe to say Encounter at Farpoint has far more going for it than this crap.

  • Sastrei

    What was the big surprise twist?

    • Brian Thorn

      Georgiou’s death, I guess.

      • No, most of us guessed that one months back

        • Brian Thorn

          Yeah, me too. But I don’t know what else it would be.

          • It was the klingon Leader dying. He has been hyped for months, he would unify the houses, lead the war. And he did, but by being a martyr and not the way most of us thought.

        • Quintillion Tesla

          I genuinely thought she’d die when the viewscreen exploded in front of her – so clever ploy by CBS to make me think that clip of her would be where she dies but actualy doesn’t.

      • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

        Which they showed in the ad for episode 2 that they constantly played lulz

        • They did not show her death in the previews.

          • He is trolling and more or less spreading misinformation as he has done for months.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            The lack of truth had never been an impediment to his posts here. 🙂

        • mr joyce

          no they didn’t.. liar

    • T’Kuvma dying. Hevhas been hyped as the great unifier.

      • Quintillion Tesla

        I was genuinely surprised by his death.

  • Great set-up for the rest of the season. Love that the warring sides of Burnham led her to nerve pinch her own captain, emotional and rational at the same time. Saru is fascinating and Jones nailed it. Surprised when T’Kuvma died. VFX were spectacular. My only real complaint was the exposition in the early going, obviously meant for viewers and making little sense for two officers who’ve served together for 7 years. Looking forward to next Sunday and the unveiling of the Discovery!

    • GIBBS v2

      That desert hike did have me concerned for a bit but once the show got rolling I forgot all about it. Boy it sure ended on a high.

  • DaMac

    It’s funny how you guys push the serialized nature and the big cliffhanger and slow-paced development as good things. Those are all things that turn me off incredibly hard. I really hate modern serialized television. I am much more a movie guy and when I like TV shows they are the episodic in nature ones, like Star Trek always was before.

    Not saying the show is bad, you might be right about how good it is. I will watch it at some point. It’s just funny to read such praise for something I consider a negative for the franchise.

    • SpaceCadet

      So you didn’t like a lot of DS9, a Star Trek series which was also heavily serialized?

      • I was thinking the same thing.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        DS9 wasn’t heavily serialised. That’s BS. It had serialisation in it but also episodic stories. It only became heavily serialised in the last 7 or 8 episodes. I’m sorry but stuff like this I have to call you out on your BS.

      • DaMac

        It wasn’t though really. The vast, vast majority of episodes stood alone. There were short periods of actual serialization at the start of season 6 and at the end of the show, but even those were less serialized than a show like The Expanse is.

        • SpaceCadet

          Yes, the first six episodes of season 6 and the last 10 hours of season 7 of DS9 are serialized but I’m not just referring to those consecutive episodes. Beginning in season 3 of DS9 there was serialization in regards to the Dominion because events that transpired in one episode would be referenced or continued up on in an episode that came weeks later. That type of serialization is what I’m referring to being threaded from that point on throughout the series. And Star Trek: Enterprise had it’s entire third season devoted to the Xindi arc. So to say “Star Trek always was (episodic) before” just isn’t factually true.

          • DaMac

            I don’t really consider that serialized, but I guess it’s kind of a halfway point. Either way that kind of thing doesn’t really bother me. What I hate is soap opera television, one long story told over endless episodes with no sense of conclusion. I’m just not a TV guy that way, I’m mostly a movie guy and I want that contained experience.

            I really liked The Expanse at first but after half a season or so I couldn’t take the serealized nature of it anymore and stopped watching. Game of Thrones I have managed to watch all of but it’s a struggle sometimes. This structure just ain’t my thing. I know right now I’m in the minority though, serialized shows like this are what’s in. I just thought it was funny the review presents things as a positive that I consider a huge negative. We’re all different.

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      Well said. Serialized is soap operas

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        How moronic can you get, dude?

        • mr joyce

          im sure he will get worse

        • Pedro Ferreira

          He’s right.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      It’s crap I know.

  • Floyd Vance Campbell

    Too much like Kelvin Universe not the original timeline

    • How so?

      • prometheus59650

        No lite bright consoles or bleep, bloop, blorple.

        • Yeah anything not 1966 campy is “kelvin” I guess.

          • Daniel Henderson

            You seem to be incredibly trollish to anyone that doesn’t share your view. Does it make you cry that people who bring up similarities to the JJ movies have to be considered “Modern Film Making?” Could it be people are pointing this out because it does match JJ Abrams filmmaking techniques or how similar the bridge of the Shenzhou looks like the bridge of the Kelvin even down the the three front view screens?

            I guess that visionary filmmakers like James Cameron, Ridley Scott, and Denis Villeneuve that DON’T use those JJ Abrams style techniques can’t be considered “modern film makers.” Or that JJ junked those parts of his style to restart the Star Wars universes that according to you can’t be “modern film making” even though they push the limit on what is possible in visual storytelling.

            Adults seem to be able to make criticisms of this and not take it as a personal insult. If you would like to grow up and have an honest discussion about the pros and cons of Discovery, I’d be interested. If you want to act like a child and be flippant about other people’s opinions and/or insult them because you can’t tolerate someone disagreeing with you, then stay a troll and be ignored.

          • No, I am cool with not liking a look. But no one can point to any thing of real substance. The “Oh its kelvin” because it looks modern, and uses film styles used before the kelvin movies and by dozens of films other than those.

            While JJ is known for that stuff he did not invent it or is the only one to use it. So “Oh its kelvin” is not an honest critic as it simply look modern, this is a popular and very modern style used all across hollywood and in many TV shows.

            I simply ask them to point out stuff that is Kelvin only and they can not. Its mindless bashing because they personally dislike a look. Its cool to dislike a look, be honest and say ” I did not like it looking modern” .

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Either she’s salty or it’s that time of the month. No silly…subscription fee month!

        • Snap

          For me, I could do without maybe 90 – 95% of the lens flares, it sounds cliche considering Trek 09 but I dislike it in other non-Trek shows, like Saving Hope. The warp effect is also very “Kelvin” and I can’t say I’m really a fan of the whole “pop in” effect for entering or especially dropping out of warp.

          I certainly don’t expect things to slavishly ape the 60s, but there are some things which are not aesthetically my cup of tea. But, I won’t damn the show on those criteria, there are just mild personal gripes.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Why are you wearing a white cone on your head?

  • I loved it. There were twists on tjere I did not see coming

    • scotchyscotchscotch

      the neck pinch! i spit out my mouthful of chicken pot pie

  • Fiery Little One

    For me, it felt like it’s back. The format’s different, but it’s back.

    • Yeah, this was pure up star trek.

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      • Pedro Ferreira

        No don’t go there.

        • The Final Left Ear

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          • Detlef Kurtz

            Funny…same here …!! And my dear Producers/Composers the Star Trek-Fanfare, is NOT to use for other Ships, its ONLY for the Enterprise, or if you do a refrence to the Enterprise…..great that you broke that rule and destroy it…. Lamest Title Theme of all Series….

          • Commander Kane

            Now that Improved ST Enterprise theme track was ear rape! But it only works with The NX-01, Early Starfleet Era. Very specfic to the story of ENT. Much better than the Discovery theme.

          • Paul Walker

            I agree, every other theme song has been better/more memorable

          • mr joyce

            the theme tune is pretty much the only thing about the show i dont like. who knows, maybe it will grow on me

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    • The Final Left Ear

      We’ve made too many compromises already, too many retreats. They invade our space, and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds, and we fall back. Not again! The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And I will make them PAY for what they’ve done!

      • Fiery Little One

        Hehehe. Cute.

      • Paul Walker

        Best moment in Trek. Well said.

    • Eric Watson

      I could not be happier about the new Trek, aside from the new Klingon makeup.

      • Quintillion Tesla

        I know what you mean, but perhaps to a modern audience people with bumpy foreheads may not read as “alien” enough and may just seems silly ( in the way that the TOS Klingons might be viewed from the era of the Original Trek movie onwards ).

        That said, perhaps there could have been a better middle ground – some of Neville Page’s rejected digital maquettes might have been a good basis, but then again people might have complained about THAT.

        • Eric Watson

          I think I will get used to it. Maybe the change in look will be explained. They do talk a lot in DIS about “remaining Klingon.” That could be foreshadowing something.

          • Could be, but its clear they fear being gobbled up, losing thier culture

          • kadajawi

            But we have seen Klingons from all 24 houses, and none of them looks like a Klingon. One even looks like a Ferengi! Plus there is so much make-up going on that the acting underneath it gets lost and hidden away. The masks seem really stiff.

          • M33

            Yeah, I noticed that, too.
            So much for a “variety” of Klingons.

          • kadajawi

            To be fair they do look different, just that none of them looks remotely related to the Klingons we know. And I don’t think it’s just the hair… the nose is very different. Also someone compared them to someone wearing Halloween masks, which seems pretty much spot on. The makeup does not look particularly good, even if it was for another species. It doesn’t look like a human being.

        • Those rejects did form the base

        • Pedro Ferreira

          I agree. Audiences today can’t handle a Klingon design that has realistic prosthetics. Purple reptiles will really sell it.

      • Fiery Little One

        I’m sure we’ll get *some* sort of explanation at some point.

        • kadajawi

          To me that explanation would have been very simple: In the background there’s a Klingon with long hair and the TNG makeup, and another one perhaps looking like the ones from TOS. Done. All I need to know is there are the Klingons around that we are familiar with, and it’s just that there is more variety in the race than we have seen so far. Not all were affected by the virus, and Caucasians have different facial features than Asians or Africans. If they look different, yup, I’m fine with it.

          Though the makeup is IMHO too thick for the actors. It hinders them in showing emotions.

          • Fiery Little One

            Eh, that seems alright.

    • Are there things that would have been different if I were in charge of the show? Of course. 🙂

      Did I love it anyway? Of course. 🙂

      • Fiery Little One

        Good.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      I thought the remake of Battlestar Galactica was back?

      • Fiery Little One

        If you just go with the surface details, it would be easy to make that mistake.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Oh I see, sorry. Silly me…

          Oookkaayyy.

          • Fiery Little One

            😉

      • kadajawi

        Funny, but BSG this was not. I mostly enjoyed BSG. And this doesn’t look like BSG either.

  • Daniel Shock

    I enjoyed it. I will watch. There were some odd moments… but I really liked the lead actress. I’d give it a B+.

    • I like how she is conflicted and now eaten up with guilt. That will pkay out interesting

  • Io Jupiter

    It my make one season only.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      You are part of the production team for the first season?

  • Your Worst Nightmare

    Haven’t watched episode two yet. And admittedly I need to rewatch the first episode. There was a lot going on, we were having a few issues with the live feed and my wife was talking through parts of it.

    But… I was a little underwhelmed. I like Burnham. I like Saru. I like Georgiou. I like the visuals. There was humor which was nice. The Klingons (looks aside… I really don’t care about such silly complaints about changes) didn’t quite work for me. It’s an interesting concept that didn’t quite hit for me. I really hope they don’t keep the subtitling up the whole season. The teaser just didn’t work at all for me. There was way too much technobabble and jargon.

    I’m willing to give this through the first month of our subscription. I am paying for it after all. I’m just a little disappointed at the moment.

    • If ya did not like the Klingons ya did not like them. I did, but the plot working for you is kinda a subjective thing. Its like two people not liking the same book, its totally cool. You at lest have a solid reason why you did not like it.

      It may change given the second ep, they really are one two hour episode.

      • Snap

        Yeah, and they really should have been format as a two hour episode rather than breaking it up into two. But I guess that’s something which needs to be compromised with the serialized nature of the show. Small, rather inconsequential gripes.

        • Pretty much. They also used it as a lure. I dislike that, but at the same time I can understand it.

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          Agreed. The problem is: US audiences only got the first taste for free. I hear part 2 is better but the first taste? It was pretty sour. I think this ploy worked against CBS here.

          • Snap

            Yeah, you can only make a first impression once and you want that to be as much of a home run as possible. However, I think the nature of Discovery makes it a bit of a Catch 22 for CBS as, even with the second episode, it ends like a chapter break and not the wrap up of a typical episode. In that sense, I can understand why they are structuring the show as they are, but by not presenting the first episode as a two hour TV movie does more of a disservice than to entice people to buy All Access to see the rest.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            It was definitely an abrupt ending.

      • Your Worst Nightmare

        I think had my wife not been tired and we watched #2, I might feel differently about it. And I am still hopeful that it gets better and it sounds like it does.

        Regardless, yes, entertainment is completely subjective. And you have my word, if I don’t end up liking it, I’m not going to attack people who do. I have better things to do with my life. And I’ll be happy for those who do find enjoyment in it. I am still holding out hope. 🙂

        • I have no issue with folks not liking it. I like ENT and folks hate that, Its the mindless haters that bug me lol

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Totally with you on the mindless haters part.

          • Tom for instance, the staff called him out on a lie below lol

    • Aaron

      I agree to an extent. The Klingons (look asides 😉 ) felt mis-characterized. I know this specific house is based on more ancient traditions, so that makes sense…but they just felt off. T’Kuvma kind of reminded me of Ronan from Guardians of the Galaxy (the Kree bad guy) – a fanatic following ancient laws.

      I’m hoping, however, that things will pick up now that the “introductions” have been made. We still haven’t even made it on to the Discovery yet!

  • Io Jupiter

    To me my collection of Trek DVD’s TOS, TAS, TNG,DS9, have increased in value by 100 fold, even Voyager and Enterprise too to some degree. Trek now days is truly dead and I mean dead.

  • Snap

    In terms of the show itself: my thumbs are in the middle. There are portions of the show which I thought were absolutely ludicrous, such as Sarek placing his “katra” within Burnham and the Klingons caring about and collecting the corpses of their deceased, when they have been considered “empty shells” to be disposed of. As for the katra thing, I don’t think they understand that a katra is essentially a Vulcan’s soul and they don’t make horcuxes like Voldemort, breaking it apart and putting it into people, especially if they are not preparing for death. There is a big difference between participants of a mind meld always carrying a part of the other and placing one’s soul into another.

    I like the production values and the detail put into the sets and VFX. I could do with far less lens flares, though, as all the production values in the world are irrelevant if you cannot appropriately appreciate them because you’re being blinded by flares.

    The opening credits and theme music? thumbs wholeheartedly down. The credits are cheesy and the music is rather generic, dull and boring with only the Alexander Courage fanfare having any sort of “structure” for lack of a better term. After hearing the music about three times (twice in the credits, once at the end of the second episode) tonight, I honestly cannot remember anything else about it.

    Now that Star Trek: Shenzhou has concluded, I am interested to see how Star Trek: Discovery fares when it premieres next week.

    • Well, we know at some point Klingons did make mummies, so they did not always see them as just a shell. His house clearly stick with the old ways. The Katra stuff has always been wonky and used as the plot needed it. It does make me wonder if this may have lead to his illness in TNG.

      • Eric Watson

        Wow, that’s a really interesting idea. Very logical.

    • Mark Bates

      You’re subscribing?!!

      • Snap

        No, it airs on Space in Canada for first airings (and requisite encores) before being made available on demand on Crave TV. So no subscription necessary..

        • Mark Bates

          For a minute there I thought I’d found someone happy to pay out an additional scubscription for this mess.

          • Snap

            For a single show? I wouldn’t be able to justify that. If Space wasn’t carrying it then I would have opted to wait for a Blu-ray release. Naturally, even that would be based on reviews.

          • People buy shows one episode at a time all the time, for like 1.50 to 2.00 each. 6 bucks a month is not a huge deal.

          • Snap

            For me, when I buy a show, I prefer it to be on Blu-ray rather than a streaming service. The only OTT service I’ve ever used was the WWE Network, but the novelty wore off after a few months that I found I was using it less and less and couldn’t justify the cost.

            I am glad, though, that Star Trek will be following a typical season release rather than the Netflix model of dumping an entire season at the same time. I feel the experience of watching a show loses something when looking forward a week or so for the next episode is taken away and replaced with just having the ability to watch it in a massive lump all at once.

            Maybe I’m just weird like that.

          • I would have binged watched this lol

          • Snap

            I likely would have as well, if given the chance but then I wouldn’t have anything to look forward to next week or the week after and the wait for a second season would be exponentially longer.

          • Oh no, not week after week of trolls telling us how its bombing and not “real trek”.

          • Snap

            I think we’ll get that regardless of the release schedule. At places like GameFAQs, there are people who seem to live on certain game boards for years just to spread how much they dislike the game or challenge people who post positive opinions while also complaining about people posting positive comments in threads dedicated to negative opinions.

          • Yeah, I am used to edition warring.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            But it is crap?

          • Quintillion Tesla

            YES please, I’d rather binge watch this excitign show, that the utterly lacklustre Marvel Netflix show which seem to get a heavy, HEAVY pass from fans in spite of mostly being utterly boring and visually/story-wise unremarkable.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Discovery is that good?

          • kadajawi

            Wait a minute. The action scenes in Daredevil season 1 and 2 are top notch, and better than pretty much any fight scene in any movie these days. The only movies that could compete are John Wick 1 and 2, Atomic Blonde, and both Raid movies. Everything else pales in comparison to the kinetic energy, and how viewers still get to follow the action and know what is going on. The writing is usually pretty good and interesting, it is exciting and at times mind blowing. Visually they are often done rather well, especially considering the limited budget.

            This was meh sci fi by the numbers (with good special effects), with some heavily overused dutch angles. I mean, why? You do dutch angles to show something is off. That you’re in a dream world, for example. Are we? Are we in a holodeck simulation? Was Burnham captured by some alien race and went through a simulation of the events seen on screen? Otherwise why on earth is the camera tilted all the time? To remind us of the disaster that is Battlefield Earth?

            I couldn’t even care much for the characters and thought they were badly written (and in the case of Michelle Yeoh, acted too. Shame, I thought she was rather good in her other works). Oh, I did like the diversity, but please, for once give us a female captain that is every bit as capable as Picard or Sisko. I really don’t see a reason why a woman shouldn’t be.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            And that’s the problem with modern TV viewers.

          • prometheus59650

            I sure am.

            New Star Trek for a couple Starbucks a month? No problem.

          • Agreed

          • Mark Bates

            I wouldn’t waste money on a starbux coffe either. Must be an american thing

          • prometheus59650

            Since it’s actually my money and you have no say in how I spend it and your opinion on what I spend my money on matters to me not at all we can move on, no?

          • Mark Bates

            Sure. Like I said, enjoy your sandbox

          • prometheus59650

            I will.

            Scurry away now, sweets.

          • Aaron

            You know not all Americans drink Starbucks – we’re a pretty large and diverse population. You probably wouldn’t like someone from another country generalizing the people of your country in the same manner.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “American” is capitalized.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            There are those who believe that life here began out there…

          • M33

            Just remember not to stand up for its anthem, though.
            😛

          • M33

            No, no. It’s a horrible thing.

          • I’m more than happy to pay $10/month for new Star Trek. $2.50 per episode with no ads? I’m there!

            And those who are really cheap can get it for $1.50 per episode with ads. How is brand-new Star Trek with amazing production values not worth a freaking dollar and a half?!

          • Alan Light

            Not happy to, overjoyed to….

          • M33

            I have many criticisms, but I am paying for this AlternaTrek.

        • Lucky, I use allacess, but I used it for a while anyhow. Don’t have cable and this give use the local CBS station for news and weather and my wife likes a bunch of the other shows.

        • Armand Laroche

          I think CTV is also carrying it.

          • Snap

            I know CTV aired the first hour tonight, but the second episode, as well as After Trek, was exclusive to Space.

    • kadajawi

      Ah yes, the music. Dull, boring and generic. I can’t remember any of it. I can hum some Orville melodies, but nothing from Discovery. Then again, that fits within the current times, where soundtracks are supposed to be very much in the background, not to distract from what is seen on screen.

    • Neill Stringer

      The problem with the theme is that it is utterly forgettable.

      This is a Star Trek show that is trying to be something else and it feels like it is moving away from what Trek is. The show has promise and I will keep watching but the optimism is gone.

    • Space Gaz

      Could not have said it better Snap.

  • Alan Light

    Loved it!. My sympathy to the haters that can’t share in the joy and excitement of new Star Trek on television. Personally, it left me more excited than I’ve been about Star Trek since I first saw Wrath of Khan! Thank you creators, crew and cast to a job well done and can’t wait to see your story unfold.

    • I agree, this is how I have wanted trek for more than a decade and I am so very hyped.

    • Snap

      Please don’t lump people who may have criticisms as “haters,” it is anathema to the concept of IDIC which is what Trek fans profess to care about. The criticisms are just as valid as the praise and I don’t think you would take too kindly if, just because you “loved it” that you were classified a “sheep.” It would be just as insulting and inaccurate as the hater label.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Agreed.

    • Pedro Ferreira
    • kadajawi

      I am one of the haters. But not because I want to hate it (I was very skeptical, yes, but mildly optimistic that they could fix things and make it work, and I hoped that I’d at least enjoy the plot etc.). I am a fan of dark shows. I’m giddy with excitement for The Punisher, I loved Daredevil season 1 and 2, and Jessica Jones (which goes some really dark places). I love DS9. I also love the fun optimism of The Orville. I don’t need Discovery to be as bright and positive as TNG was. As long as the plot is any good, I might even overlook that they don’t care about it being Star Trek in anything but name.

      But I didn’t enjoy the plot. I thought many points were contrived, taken from other shows/episodes, and Michelle Yeoh is acting like a Janeway (i.e. erratic, not logical and often enough rather dumb) that has issues with the English language and thus has to speak really, really slow. I think it was poorly written, especially compared to the writing we get these days on TV shows. There are so many so well written shows these days, in all sorts of different genres. And I don’t think this was. I’d compare it to early TNG.

      On the plus side the effects were pretty good, and I’m used to bad writing on early Star Trek episodes. There is still hope that they can turn the ship around.

  • Waykent

    Please understand my views. When I became a fan in 2006, Star Trek’s days were thought to be over. I approached it from a position where it was a juggernaut that I could barely wrap my head around. That was 11 years ago. Today, I understand it and its mythology with a deep respect. For me, I now have an opportunity to know what it is like to watch an episode of Star Trek without knowing what may happen.

    That being said, I was deeply impressed with the first two episodes and look forward to the continuing story.

    • Hey man, nice to see you over here.

      • Waykent

        I suppose I had to let the cat out of the bag eventually.

        • Its not like I hide the geek flag lol.

        • Snap

          It doesn’t matter how long someone has been a fan, there is no hierarchy we are all “Star Trek fans” whether we have been fans for 50 years of 50 days. All points of view are equally valid.

          • Oh man, to normal fans. Not the fanatics lol, they count that BS as if its time in rank so their opinions and views are more valid lol

          • Snap

            It is unfortunate, yes. Perhaps the one thing I hate the most is when people throw up the whole “true/real fan” label when they need something to add weight to their argument.

          • Yep, and I have seen that tonight on other sites. All by people who have said this would suck for months.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Stop being a hypocrite. You wouldn’t look out of place on a pro-Ghostbusters reboot fan forum.

          • Stop attacking other posters. This is the last time you’ll be warned.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            They’ve been attacking me Trekcore.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      40,000 comments with less than 10,00 up-votes. That’s like 25%. That’s about the worst ratio I have ever seen for a Disqus poster with 5 figures of comments.

      What you secret recipe for futility?

      • He posts mostly on a religion channel( that I know of). I mod that one, mad house. He is a good poster, try dealing with creationists all the time man.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          That explains his flying-off-the-handle temper. Dude needs Prozac or a massage.

          • You have no idea man, its a crazy, crazy place.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I tend to think it happens whenever you’re around.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Having to deal with you I can understand if he gets upset.

  • GIBBS v2

    I expected a slick new show doing its best Trek impression and I would have been fine with that. What I saw were amazing premier episodes to potentially some of the Best Trek ever made.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      I think you need to rewatch the previous ones. Those were better.

      • James

        In your opinion dude, be happy for Gibbs v2, he really seemed to enjoy Star Trek Discovery.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          I’ll be sad for him instead.

  • Stephen Jacobs

    I’ve been watching Trek for a very long time… Discovery was utter disappointment.

  • Trent

    I had to quit watching and take aspirin for the headache the camera angels and lens flare in part 1 , were giving me ,can no one hold the camera level for 5 seconds?
    The hologram sat on the desk Obi -wan would be proud.

  • If anyone is interested, the reviews are coming in
    85% on rotten tomatoes
    IGN= 7.9/10
    Tv.com= 10/10
    IMDB= 7.6/10

    All in all, a very strong outting

    • Snap

      Very respectable reviews, indeed. I don’t think anything really deserves a 10/10 out of the gate, particularly with such a heavily serialized production. I think I would wait until all 15 episodes are out and then see how it stands as a single, cohesive story.

      I am glad that Star Trek is back and off to a strong start. Fun fact, it is nearly 30 years to the day since TNG premiered (4 days to go), which seems appropriate as both TNG and Discovery ushered in new eras for Star Trek.

      • Agreed, the 10/10 is a bit much. I mean I loved it, but when I clam down and look at it objectively, I will find issues with it. I am just too pumped to see them now, but it will come.

        We have a guy below claiming it bombed, looked like a cheap B movie and acting like its doomed. But those are solid opening numbers.

        • Snap

          Yeah. I’ve made no secret about my own preferences, but if it wasn’t for the aspect ratio and the fact that it is a serialized structure, it could pass for a typical Trek movie.

          Since I have said my thumbs are in the middle at this point, I would also disagree that it “bombed.” As much as I enjoy Star Trek, I hope if Discovery holds it’s viewers and review numbers, that CBS doesn’t make the mistake of the TNG era and over-saturate the brand.

          • I did love DS9, but i am not sure what they will do. Keep in mind the seasons are half the size as well.

          • Snap

            Yeah, I really enjoy DS9 as well. It’s a shame that it wasn’t remastered into HD, I would have loved to pick it up on Blu-ray. Dukat was a great on-again/offf-again antagonist.

          • Dukat was magnificent

    • prometheus59650

      Yup, looks like “everybody hates it.”

      • Guy down blew kept telling me to google it and was pretty sexiest about it lol. I think he thinks I am a girl. No matter how many times I pointed him up here and the the numbers, he kept saying it bombed and the live in ignorance lol.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        Everybody loves The Phantom Menace when it was first released you know.

        • prometheus59650

          No. They didn’t. Sure there are videos of fans coming out of the theater and kissing the ground, but even RT with its 55% for the film says you’re wrong.

          So, as President Bartlett might say, “Just stand there in your wrongness and be wrong and get used to it.”

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Just no. LOL

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Just yes. LOL.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Keep telling yourself that.

  • dixonium

    All in all, this was exciting, layered, dramatic, and engaging. It’s modern but steeped in the formula and trappings of Star Trek. I’m very excited to see where Discovery takes us. It’s great to have Trek back on TV!

    • Agreed, its great to have trek back on the small screen.

    • Snap

      One of the small things which I really liked was the return of the red alert klaxon. My tech critique for the time frame is the hologram communication. Since it didn’t show up until late DS9 it isn’t appropriate for the 23rd century, especially when they make a point to explain the presence of outdated transporter technology. Approaching it logically, if an old ship like the Shenzhou can be upgraded to support hologram communication, surely such a refit would also include an update to the transporter tech.

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      lol k

    • Pedro Ferreira
  • Mark Bates

    The IMDB rating has dropped from 7.9 to 6.6 in just two hours. Damn that’s bad. For reference, Star Trek Beyond has 7.1 the ghostbusters reboot has 5.3.
    I’ve refreshed it and seen it drop a percentage point consistantly while watching STD, it seems to be dropping faster as time goes on if anything.

    I predict an end result in the high 4’s once it’s aired the world over.

    • Your Worst Nightmare

      Ya know, I didn’t love the first hour of Disco but I REALLY hate how everything has to be compared to the Ghostbusters remake.

      • Only by trolls

      • Mark Bates

        Purely as an example of a rating for something that didn’t do so well.
        What else would you suggest recently of a 5.1 or thereabouts?

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          Well, honestly… I think IMDB ratings are bunk. It’s easy to create multiple acccounts. It’s not exactly scientific. I don’t put a lot of stock in them.

          • Notice, its the only one that has dropped?

          • Snap

            Yeah, of places which let people submit reviews, IMDB is probably the one I would consider the least credible. It’s a good thing I couldn’t care less about reviews when it comes to whether or not I enjoy a show or to justify my own feelings.

          • Yeah, they tend to go up and down alot. And the “flood” of bad reviews from new accounts is a well known issue.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            It works like this: People will cherry pick a good review or a bad review. It doesn’t matter whether there are bad reviews, they’ll ignore that.

          • Mark Bates

            So the site should be taken offline?

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Did I say that? I don’t think I said word one about taking the site offline.

            I’m fact, I think that IMDB is a great resource for finding information about film and TV. However, I believe it’s about as accurate for what an audience likes like YouTube ratings.

            (In other words: not very.)

          • Mark Bates

            Ahh I see, like Star Trek Beyond flopping at the box office but getting high reviews on IMDB?

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I can choose to disagree with you and your viewpoint on IMDB. I just don’t think it’s all that accurate. If you’re going to try to bait me into something, I don’t understand the need to continue at this.

          • He is trolling. He also said it looked bad and that everyone thought it was bad. He has been claiming its a bomb for like over an hour. Even when the IMDB rating where a full point higher he claimed it looked bad and was a known bomb.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I’m aware. And I called him out on it.

          • Eh trolls are gonna troll man.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Please shut up Shannon, thanks.

          • Snap

            Well, the best way to look at it is those reviews aren’t “IMDB” ratings, rather ratings of IMDB users. It is entirely possible that, for overwhelmingly positive reviews that those who didn’t like a particular show or movie either don’t have an IMDB account or simply didn’t submit a rating. The same could be said for overwhelmingly negative reviews.

            Finally, whether it’s IMDB or IGN or Rotten Tomatoes, they are just a single site providing reviews. If something is universally panned across multiple outlets, then there might be a case to be made. It’s like asking a group of people at a single convention to rate the series or movies, the results would be based off a tiny fraction of the audience and could hardly be considered a definitive rating.

          • Mark Bates

            Right, so it seems ultimately viewing figures are your last possible hope at delaying the inevitable flop?

          • Snap

            Make no mistake, I’m not defending anything or declaring anything a potential flop. I’m point out how a single source of reviews on a site which let’s anyone with an account submit a rating is empirical proof of whether something is a success or not.

            I’m not going to wish for anything I may not be a fan of to be considered a flop and cancelled, as that would be incredibly selfish of me considering for everybody who is disappointed by the show there will be someone who absolutely loves it. Should my own personal disappointment take precedence over those who love the product?

            Simply put, in that scenario, I would not watch the show or movie. Case in point: the Michael Bay Transformers movie. I couldn’t care less that they got Peter Cullen to voice Optimus Prime, I watched the first movie and it wasn’t my cup of tea and haven’t watched the subsequent movies. There are obviously many, many more who don’t share my opinion and they have every right to enjoy anything I personally don’t.

          • Mark Bates

            Good. I’m glad we got that sorted.
            The rest of the world begins to get it in around 2 hours on Netflix, so we’ll see if it’s rejection is perhapse based around CBS having pissed off Americans by putting it behind an obscure paywall, or if the general reception is consistant with a flop in audience interest.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            RT and IMDB are unreliable.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Wow, ANOTHER poster brand new to Disqus tonight.

      What a coincidence? Who knew! LOL

      • And all 27 trolling comments on this one thread.

      • Mark Bates

        Wow another bully.

        This is like mumsnet

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Nope, just noticing how great it is that several new people just happened to join Disqus tonight, and wouldn’t you know it, they all disliked DSC?

          I just think its a remarkable coincidence! Who knew?

          • Mark Bates

            A bully is not clever, not interersting, and certainly not right.
            Take your harrasment elsewhere. You’re blocked.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I have no idea what your anger issues are. I am simply noticing new people here. Lighten up.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            You were being judgemental Oracle. Unnecessary.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle
          • Pedro Ferreira

            No you really are. That’s why people aren’t allowed to talk here.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            I have a feeling the same bunch of trolls have been changing their identitites for months and months to give the impression they are different people. It’s amazing when one or two new classic trolls appear, the older ones disappear. Hmmm.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Exactly!

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Have you ever thought that it happens when something new arrives? When the reboot of Ghostbusters was getting released the Ghostbusters Fan site suddenly got a whole tons of users in that liked the film.

        • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

          Ha yes

    • Aaron

      It’s at 6.9/10 as of now. With that being said, if you look at the distribution of those reviews:

      Total reviews – 936
      373 – 10/10 (39.9%)
      103 – 9/10 (11.0%)
      108 – 8/10 (11.5%)
      55 – 7/10 (5.9%)
      30 – 6/10 (3.2%)
      20 – 5/10 (2.1%)
      32 – 4/10 (3.4%)
      31 – 3/10 (3.3%)
      39 – 2/10 (4.2%)
      145 – 1/10 (15.5%)

      Not to diminish other’s opinions, but I simply don’t trust those 1/10 reviews as being from fans who legitimately felt that way. I can’t say for sure, but just based on what I’ve seen here and elsewhere, there is enough of a vocal fanbase that will dislike Discovery no matter what that they will give Discovery a 1/10 no matter what. Remove even half of those 1/10 and the aggregated score goes up to 7.6/10

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Yea, that looks very suspicious!

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          Exactly. I mean, I didn’t love this episode but it isn’t a 1/10. I need to watch it again to give it a true ranking but I’d say a 5 or a 6. It, like so much from those who never had any interest in actually giving the show a chance, is hyperbolic nonsense.

          • Eric Henry

            It’s currently being review-bombed by alt-right groups who are upset about “SJWs”, ie. the Black and Asian women leads and references to race and culture and so forth.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            Yep, they have been doing the same on almost every DSC related youtube clip or video, downvoting and even urging people not to watch this “SJW” programme, which they claim ‘The Orville’ looks better than ( it doesn’t ).

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Ha this is the Ghostbusters 2016 reaction I said would happen from Discovery defenders

          • The Science Fiction Oracle
          • Pedro Ferreira

            So it seems like just a big a travesty then?

          • Pedro Ferreira

            That would mean they’d actually have to have seen it eh?

      • Pedro Ferreira

        I like the show but I don’t trust a review that dislikes it. Yep, okay…

        • Aaron

          Seriously dude, reading comprehension. If you had actually read what I wrote, you’d know I never said I don’t trust negative reviews. I have a hard time trusting the 1/10 of reviews as a result of a vocal minority that will hate Discovery no matter. Honestly, I have a hard time trusting the 10/10 of reviews as well. It’s rare for someone to truly love or truly hate a show right out of the gate. Those that truly hate it were expecting to truly hate it (or haven’t even watched it, assuming they’ll hate) and nothing will persuade them otherwise. Same goes for those that truly love it.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well said!

    • Justin Olson

      IMDB user ratings are less than worthless.

      • The Final Left Ear

        So are reviews from VIP tweeters at the premier

  • rebelemissary

    I really wanted to love this show. Ended up being really disappointed by the first two episodes. I don’t understand why they lied about the shows setting. It reminds me of the Abramsverse not just in setting, but tone as well. Like Abramsverse movies the actors were perfectly cast but given awful scripts. I will say glad a new generation will have Trek on TV. I’ll just keep watching the TNG/DS9/VOY episodes.

    • They did not lie about the setting. Its simply updated,

      • rebelemissary

        This isn’t prime and I’m not even talking about the ship designs, wrong registry numbers or tech. Ever since I can remember. When a Federation vessel is on the the edge of their territory. It always took days to communicate with Star-fleet. Now Captain Georgiou does references a nearby star-base. We usually never saw more than a couple of ships at a base. This made the quadrant seem small to me.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Michael?

        • Yeah its prime. Lying will not change that.
          The registry numbers have always been wonky, TOS started that madness

          • rebelemissary

            Not trying to troll but what evidence of the Prime universe did you see? I know they said it would be set in Prime, but I’m just not seeing it on the screen.

          • Everything said screamed prime. It does not look like the 1960’s but prime does not look like the 1960’s. A TV show from the 1960’s gave us its version of prime. Look is not canon.

            Nothing I saw says this is not just what they have said, prime.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Stop trolling.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            The Prime universe has been updated. Either sit around stressing over it, or relax and enjoy it. It gets updated with every version of Trek..the jump from TOS look to TMP look was probably the most severe of these jumps, but I would say DSC comes close to that

            Why hem and haw about it — it’s progress given TV/entertainment and production values change over time; so what?

          • Actually, as much as you hate it, ENT was the big jump here. It kinda paved the way for whole scale updating.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I grudgingly see your point there. 🙂

          • LOL. I loved ENT look, they have my fav uniforms for sure lol. Pockets! Also, if ya notice the DSC uniforms also have pockets!

          • Aaron

            What evidence are you looking for? The production style has been updated for the 21st century (for better or worse…I would have liked it to look more like previous Trek), that’s just a given. And there’s no reason for the producers to go out of there way to mention something specifically tying this show to the Prime timeline – it just is. For me, I trust what the producers are saying (what reason would they have to lie), and I would need to see evidence to the contrary that this ISN’T the Prime timeline, like the mention of the destruction of the Kelvin or something. Otherwise, this is the Prime timeline, plain and simple.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            Are you really expecting a 2017 TV show to emulate the look of a TV show from the 1960s?

        • Aaron

          Well in some ways that could be true (that the quadrant felt small) – this isn’t the Federation in it’s TNG hay day, Federation territory simply isn’t as vast yet.

    • Mark Bates

      You’re not wrong.
      Watch out for the happy trolls here, they’ll attack anything remotely critical.

      • rebelemissary

        It”s weird, as I’m usually the happy troll. I enjoyed Enterprise when everyone abandoned it. I still haven’t disliked any of the new Doctors or companion on Dr Who. Hell I really liked two of the three Star Wars prequels. So clearly I’m not hard to please. LOL

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Enterprise was just horrid…no offense.

        • pittrek

          I know that feeling. I am usually “the weird one” when I say I hate Voyager, but LOVE Enterprise and that one of my favourite Trek films (or maybe even THE favourite) is The Motion Picture 🙂

        • Harry Kane

          Enterprise was great, all people do is moan about the theme, which was great a very “ST Enterprise” Captain Archer was cast perfectly with Scott Bakula. Here’s the thing all previous Trek series were great. Each building upon each other, Enterprise doing an excellent job of being a prequal to TOS. with design evo clearly understood. Discovery is an utter joke, the ships look crap inside and out, and the corridors are so cheap and nasty. No evo No brains Popcorn Trek.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      You sound familiar? Is this is new Discus ID? What was your past name?

      • rebelemissary

        Not new to Discus but I haven’t been posting about the Abramsverse movies. Wasn’t a fan and didn’t feel like fighting it out as I had Trek on TV I enjoyed.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          People like Shannon and TUP i find just aren’t worth talking to.

    • Harry Kane

      Of course they lied, its abramsverse all over, USS Discovery and Shenzou’s bridge plague are just like the USS Franklins. Both eipsodes were crap. Not Star Trek and the Discovery priors can preach all they like, it is crap as I thought it would be.

      • TUP

        Franklin was Prime Universe. Whats the problem?

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Yes it looks like the reboot universe.

  • Aaron

    A strong start for sure. I agree with the article, these 2 episodes were somewhat prequelesque for the rest of the series. As such, it will be interesting to see where the series goes from here. There is a lot of talk about the war with the Klingons, but it appears that the Discovery won’t necessarily be involved directly with the conflict – which is a good thing! We already had a Star Trek centered around a war, which DS9 handled beautifully; what we need now is a more “lighthearted” optimistic Trek. It’s also interesting that after all of this time, we still don’t have a good sense of the Discovery as a starship…we haven’t gotten that beauty shot of her yet. But Imlikemwhat I see

    With all that being said, I’m honestly still not sold on the show yet. There were enough aspects of these 2 episodes that bugged me to still leave me cautious. Many of the issues were visual. The lighting throughout was unnecessarily dark, and based on the “next time on” clips at the end of the 2nd episode, this style of lighting will continue throughout the series. The tribunal scene at the end of the episode was especially obnoxious in use of unnecessary dark and ominous lighting.

    The new take on the Klingons was impressive, but it felt like change for the sake of change. I was hoping that the big reason for this radical departure for their look was because we were seeing a previously unseen house, and that when the other houses showed up, we’d see more of the Klingons we’re used. Alas, that wasn’t the case. And speaking of the Klingons, their ship designs seemed to be all over the place. While I understand the various ships were from different houses, we’ve seen in the past a general Klingon design aesthetic that was very much missing here. In fact, I couldn’t really get a good sense of what any of the ships looked like.

    In addition the entire aesthetic of the Federation was off. Like or dislike Enterprise, it did a pretty decent job of looking like a prequel of TOS, without looking horribly antiquated. The Kelvin timeline movies updated the look and feel of the Federation, but things still looked undeniably Star Trekky. I don’t get that same feeling with Discovery, at least not yet. It honestly wouldn’t matter so much if this wasn’t a prequel series…but it is.

    This kind of sounds like I didn’t like what I saw, but I really did! If this wasn’t a Star Trek series, none of the above would matter, but it is Star Trek, and I hold it to a much higher standard. I’m still excited about this series, but I’m not ready to call it a success just yet.

  • bytes

    After watching the pilot, the story and aesthetics would have made more sense if it took place post Nemesis.

    • The story is built on ideas that never work after NEM. This is the pre TOS, non-unifed empire. The very plot fails at post TOS.

      • bytes

        I disagree. Klingon empire houses in disagreement, was a common theme in TNG.
        This story could easily fit. The story told required no prior knowledge either. The aesthetics were far advanced. Every ship looked way futuristic. Overall good show. Just might as well been a 25th century story.

        • Not at this level no, they all bowed before the high council. This is not what we are seeing here, there is not chancellery. We are not seeing a unified empire and the whole Starfleet response and set up depends on having no dialog with the empire.

          The story could not fit as written. Not even a little. Much less a war.

          • bytes

            As directly written, no it would not fit. A minor tweak here and there, and it’d work fine. Then the fans would require no burden of prequel thinking. It’s a lot of work for a fan to watch a prequel and just mindlessly get lost in the story. Either way, i’m glad Trek is on TV.

          • LOL, so you agree the plot will not fit without a rework.

          • bytes

            Your Blog-Fu has out done me, and squashed me to a pulp. I will try to find ways to live on.

          • Not trying to be argumentative for its own sake man. And not bashing you because you dislike or do not dislike. I simply disagree that the plot would work after TOS.

          • bytes

            lol all good. Cheers and looking forward to the next episode!

          • Same, just didn’t want you to think I went after you because you “disliked” something is all lol.

        • rebelemissary

          The only plot point that ties this to a pre-TOS time frame is Sarek being alive and raising the main character.

          • And not speaking the the klingons for a 100 years? Not having any diplomatic dialog with them? Them not being unified at all?

            Sure if ya wanna retcon out TNG and DS9

          • rebelemissary

            As other have said set the show a hundred years from TNG/DS9/VOY and there’s no need for retconning. All your question can be true. Ezri Dax prophesied that the Klingons would evenly fight amongst themselves and than die out.

          • a 100 year post VOY and you are not looking at any trek we would recognize. VOY and such messed that up.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Exactly. The Federation will be massively colonizing the Magellanic Clouds, if not Andromeda by then.

          • Yeah they got super future tech and borg tech.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            Precisely – we’d be going into DUNE territory almost ( not in time frame but in use of technology and spacefaring that is almost “magic” ).

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Nope. Better explanation is those shows were fictional shows produced in the 80’s and 90’s with very dated production values.

          • Aaron

            Or, it could have taken place 100 years after Nemesis? 25th/26th century. The major powers during the TNG/DS9 era could still be in disrepair following the war with the Dominion. They could’ve even incorporated the destruction of Romulus as seen in Trek ’09 (and in the awesome graphic novel prequel of Trek ’09). In addition, it didn’t have to be the Klingons – it could’ve been Cardassia or a new alien race we haven’t heard of yet.

            Alas, Discovery is a prequel, and all we can hope is that it builds on the pilot and becomes damn good Trek. I’m not sold yet, but I remain cautiously optimistic.

          • This is not what we saw post DS9 or Nem. The trek would be crazy with a 100 years to work both super tech and borg tech into the fleet.

          • Aaron

            Okay, maybe 100 years is a bit much. But early 25th century would’ve been good. Nemesis took place in 2379, so early 25th century would be like 20-30 years later. Regardless, it’s a moot point. We have Discovery which takes place in 2256.

          • I am still disagreeing, the plot would have to go, totally. The whole set up is based off the Klingons not talking to the federation, loathing them. And this is just not where it was headed at the end of NEM

          • A_Warrior_of_Marley

            Two mile long starships, like the Enterprise J flying around would definitely be different, among other things.

        • Trent

          It didn’t have to be Klingons ,put in a new race change Sarek to Spock’s son Bump it 50 years forward .done.;

          • bytes

            Agreed. Some simple tweaks, and it could easily have been a forward progress in timeline, and it’s own show.

          • A_Warrior_of_Marley

            Disagree. You’d have to completely rework most of this. You and Bytes are oversimplifying the plot.

        • Quintillion Tesla

          I think that could work is they went FARTHER into the future that just the post-Nemesis time period, something like Bryan Singer’s proposed FEDERATION TV series idea.

          I’d prefer they didn’t go TOO far ahead into the future to the point when the tech will seem like magic ( already in Voyager’s time )/

          At least in the world of the 2250s as seen in DSC, it is the world of the futre that is conceivably extrapolated from our own world of the early 21st Century.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          You’re losing a battle here. Shannon only cares for Discovery.

          • bytes

            🙂

    • bytes

      My point isn’t to serve as a slam to the show. I’m just sharing the observation that the show could easily (with some simple tweaks to the pilot’s plot) have been it’s own blazing trail instead of a being burdened as a prequel. The show has a very plausible 25th century style. The Klingon conflict would fit great to break away from the Federation. Prequels cause canon stress on both writers and fans. They are difficult to enjoy. I’m just proposing that it could have been easier on all of us, as a new path (like SW Episode 7) with the new owner, instead of an injected one.

    • Aaron

      Agreed, I really don’t understand why TPTB chose to do another prequel. Most fans have been clamoring for a post-Nemesis Trek.

      • A_Warrior_of_Marley

        How did you come to this conclusion that “most fans have been clamoring for a post-Nemesis Trek”? What evidence do you have that even supports that outside of a few forums?

        • Aaron

          Well most forums are a cross section of fans, and a lot of fans on these forums have been asking for a post-Nemesis Trek. I have no hard scientific evidence to support my statement, so perhaps I am wrong? But if you read things around the internet, there is a theme of wanting a post-Nemesis Trek. Not sure why that is a controversial thing to say.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        Simple really? Hollywood has run out of ideas.

    • Harry Kane

      Lets face it, CBS nor the converted have the balls or brains to make a Post Nemesis Canon Trek Series.

      • TUP

        Post Nem is actually the easy thing to do. Doing what CBS did last night showed a lot more balls actually.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    LOVED IT — this was the RETURN TO FORM that I have been waiting for since the last episode of DS9. And OMG, it truly was like they applied all the TV production values of say a GoT to Trek — it was so impressive to see.

    Finally, a re-imagined Star Trek for the 21st century that feels like Star Trek on TV.

    • I was unsure how you would like this one. But yeah the production values are insane.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Whatever man…whatever…

  • The Science Fiction Oracle
    • I saw Varienty, not the times, but so far they all look positive.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Variety’s review wasn’t great.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Can you read? Read my sentence again.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    T’Kuvma: Don’t believe in all of the Federation, “we come in peace” fake news….let’s all make Kronos great again!

    😉

    • I did not see his death coming, not at all.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Agreed. That, and Michael getting life in prison were shocking.

        • I agree with that as well. I mean with her list of charges, I did not think she would go that far. I am glad I was not spoiled on it as it was unexpected.

  • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

    It was hilarious how CBS kept showing the ad for episode 2 with Yeoh in an explosion.

    Spoilers! lulz

    • Snap

      I haven’t seen this promo you’re talking about, but Georgiou didn’t die in an explosion.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        He’s just making up stuff again.

      • The staff called him on this lie a few hours ago down thread.

    • mr joyce

      Liar liar pants on fire

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  • The Final Left Ear

    Set mmy expectations low and was still such a let down. The VFX are no
    better than battlestar, the two are interchangeable. The acting is rigid to the
    point as being no better than any high budget fan movie (which CBS has
    destroyed), there is absolutely no science in what is supposed to be science
    fiction, and to top it all off they are repurposing Trek IP to suit their own
    ends.

    As a dyslexic individual i simply can’t keep up with the sub titles, and while
    on the subject why do these century old klingons speak english when it suits
    them, and snorting like pigs the other 95% of the time?

    I find nothing about this retcon in common with the 50 years of trek I’m a fan
    of, so naturely I neither consider this star trek, or consider myself a fan.

    If anything this low brow take on Trek is nothign short of insulting to the
    inteligence of people who have spent decades enjoying star trek, filling their
    rooms and bookcases with it’s universe, only to have some jumped up over funded
    experimental production company come in and rewrite it all.

    2 out of 10 at best.

    • 1: No better than battlestar is simply not true. If ya disliked the look cool, but it was top of the line

      2: The subtitle thing is fair and I totally understand how that can be a killer.

      • The Final Left Ear

        each to their own, it was a dissapointment to me. im glad you enjoyed it, glad i wont be paying for it

        • Oh I get ya did not like, it, my main issue was point 1. I am sorry you did not enjoy it and I totally agree with you on point two. While it was cool, they should have just switched or faded to English at some point.

          • The Final Left Ear

            like i said to each their own. my opinion of it doesn’t need your aproval thank you.

          • LOL, you made a post on an online form man. People are gonna comment on it and your opinion and when they think your way off base, they are gonna say so.

          • The Final Left Ear

            stop pestering me

          • LOL, ok. You have a good one.

          • mr joyce

            sensitive much?

          • Pedro Ferreira
    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      ANOTHER brand new poster…again not liking DSC.

      I love statistics, and it is quite enjoyable to see these coincidences keep piling up….who knew?

      • The Final Left Ear

        wot

      • And he gets upset real easy like.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Probably because of you.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        So? Does everybody here have to love the show?

    • Snap

      The subtitle thing is kind of a Kobayashi Maru scenario, as they want to have the Klingons appear alien with their own language, but as happened too often with TNG and especially DS9, Klingon scenes would essentially become as gibberish as treknobabble with untranslated Klingon speech.

      It’s too bad they couldn’t just realize that we have to suspend disbelief in the first place and in the absence of in universe explanations like the universal translator, just have them speak a brief amount of translated Klingon and then use English, like they did with Star Trek VI with Change starting his prosecution of Kirk and McCoy speaking Klingon and then in the next cut, he’s speaking English but obviously intended to still be speaking Klingon, especially when he says to Kirk in what we hear delivered in English “Don’t wait for the translation! Answer me now!”

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        I loved the subtitles. Finally they are real aliens.

        I will note that I watch a lot of foreign movies with subtitles.

      • The Final Left Ear

        tldr i cant get the plot if i have to sit there and pause every 10 seconds to understand what is happening. they need to be in the screen for longer or not at all

        • A_Warrior_of_Marley

          Don’t watch any of the movies, then, because the Klingons switch to and from subtitles as they switch languages or talk only in Klingon and thus need subtitled entirely (TMP).

          • The Final Left Ear

            yes that’s true to a degree, but I never found much issue with those. im not exactly sure what the reason is, but i found it so very difficult to follow the translations, some of them were off the screen before i even got half way throuhg reading thme

      • TUP

        I agree mostly. I respect they tried. And if it was later in the season, I’d probably be all for it. It was too much and too heavy for the premiere.

        TUC example was very similar to the Hunt For Red October where they do a slight zoom in on the actor speaking Russian to convey that we’re hearing English but they speaking Russian.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      So I shouldn’t rush off to Pirate Bay then? Ha, ha!

    • Keith Melton

      “VFX are no better than battlestar”
      As BSG had some amazing visuals and a production quality leaps and bounds better than anything of its day (and even still compared to others) how exactly is this a bad thing?

  • pittrek

    Didn’t read the text yet ( I won’t be able to watch the first 2 episodes until tonight) but the photos look interesting.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    ONE THINK I DON’T LIKE…

    That goofball host of “After Trek” is just painful to watch. And “After Trek” looks kind of low budget as compared to “Talking Dead.” They need to replace the host and improve this show.

    • I did not watch that.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        I may not watch another.

    • Justin Olson

      Mira said that! Hahaha… Now I’ve got to see it!

    • Quintillion Tesla

      Yep, I watch watching the after-show. tbh, most aftershows are not great – but it was good to get a sneak peak of next week’s ep.

  • Aaron

    So my biggest gripe with the show – the lighting is just way too dark (and very amber tinted…). I know it’s an aesthetic choice that some like, but it bugs the hell out of me.

    • Not as bad as most of Netflixes Marvel series. Gods they need more light

      • Aaron

        For whatever reason the lighting in the Netflix Marvel shows doesn’t bother me – maybe I expected the shows to have a darker tone in general. Star Trek should have a lighter tone to it, even DS9 (as dark as it got sometimes), still was a generally optimistic show. Also re: Discovery lighting, everything had an amber hue to it as well as an obnoxious amount of lens flare in certain scenes that I found very distracting. The amber hue, at first, seems to be as a result of the light cast by the binary stars – but the “next time on” segment still had an amberish hue to it. I’ll probably get used to it over time…but it really bugs me right now :p

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  • Doctors Tardis

    I found it to be absolutely terrible. But at least we have The Orville.

    • mr joyce

      orville has been getting many many more negative reviews when compared to this though

    • prometheus59650

      Watch it while it lasts.

      Ratings collapsed without the football crutch.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      At least the show has friggin lighting.

  • The Final Left Ear

    these 2 have been pushing discovery like crazy. what people really thing of it now

    https://youtu.be/k-8e2uHySGk

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Now that’s the REAL reaction to Discovery!

  • October_1985

    Holy shit, that was good. It is not the Star Trek tv show format we are used to, but it is Star Trek, that’s for sure. For me, in a sense, feels more akin to the narrative of trek novels, that are no constricted by time considerations, and that for me is pretty good, for year I’ve thought that Star Trek should take advantage of the new platforms and formats and adapt some of that great Trek novels out there into miniseries. This feel like it.

    Main complain? To wait so long for the rest of the episodes. This is screaming for binge watching!

    • Quintillion Tesla

      “It is not the Star Trek tv show format we are used to, but it is Star Trek, that’s for sure.”

      I agree. I also think some of people who are disliking it, dislike the format, but then they would also complain if we had the same pedestrian format that VOY and ENT mostly followed and grew sour with.

      • kadajawi

        I love this format, loved it on DS9, and Game of Thrones, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Legion, Mad Men, and countless other shows.

        However I disliked the first two episodes here, and not just because they got the visuals etc. wrong. The acting was meh, soundtrack forgettable, plot was, erm, basic and easy to look through (what the writers intended), …

  • Wayne Booker

    Just watched both episodes on Netflix, and I loved it !! As others have said the format is different but it is Trek and damn does it look good

    • Harry Kane

      Its terrible, Abramsverse and its so shit, does not build from canon nor work with. Where are the Late Enterprise era ships? huh? NX Refits, Yorktown, Poseidon Classes? What the fuck is up with the goofy design and nacceles it is an utter joke.

      • Wayne Booker

        Which is your opinion but as you don’t speak for me I enjoyed and it will look forward to more episodes on Netflix.

        • Harry Kane

          And the opinion of many die hard trekkers throughout the world. How value what was created since TOS.

          • Galekarens

            HK how do you know what is the opinion of “many” Trekkers. A number of folks have posted favorable opinions now about DSC on this message board. Just speak for yourself when saying something. PS I liked the 2 DSC episodes fine, and I’m a die hard Trekker for sure.

          • Harry Kane

            Trekcore is not the sole, place for canon fans, STO is. And STO does what CBS could never ever have done.

          • STO is not canon

          • Eric Cheung

            Neither plays is the “sole” place for fans of any sort. There is no “sole” place for fans, except, for now, Earth and low-Earth orbit.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            “And the opinion of many die hard trekkers throughout the world.”

            Not actually. Most Star Trek fans ( or fans of any kind ) don’t post comments. The number of people who post comments online compared to TREK fans around the world is very minimal.

      • Non of that crap is canon, not a thing you listed is canon. You do not even know the classes we did see and this was not kelivin, non of the ships or props we saw were kelvin style.

        • Pedro Ferreira
        • TUP

          Am I missing where we can report individual posts? or has that function been removed? Anyone know? Lots of trolling and spam going on here, especially from people who admit they havent seen the show…so its odd they are engaging in the discussion.

          Hmmm….

          • Should be under “flag as inappropriate ” little drop down arrow to the right of a comment

          • TUP

            Hmmm I dont see that little Flag anymore…unless Im nuts lol

          • May be disqus a acting up.

        • kadajawi

          But should we be seeing Constitution class ships, unless this is playing significantly before the actual show Discovery?

          • Why? Its a 20 year old design, that TOS cliams there are just 13 of. No reason we have to see em, although I would love to see how they redesign them.

          • kadajawi

            Hm, fair enough. And I hope they wouldn’t redesign them.

          • They really have to, it does not fit as is.

          • kadajawi

            I don’t know. Anything is possible, I guess. To be honest I’d be fine with two people walking onto a Constitution class bridge looking exactly the way it did in TOS, and one of them looks confused by the looks of it, and the other person sees this and just says… “fashion, eh?” and shrugs his/her shoulders. Yup, some designer went crazy retro when designing this ship class, and for a while it was popular. Like we have the PT Cruiser and other cars like that. Fashion and weird tastes would also explain how the refit looks so strikingly different. Designs, architecture, etc. even in public buildings etc., is subject to fashion and the whims of their architects and designers. They just loved the analog design and feel, and the bright colors during the time the Constitution class was constructed. Thus ships from that era look this way. But by the time the Excelsior came around, modern started to be cool again, and while touchscreens have obviously been around during the TOS era, they got used much more (again) in the TMP era.

            They could also start showing designs that look more like the Enterprise refit, because they wouldn’t look as out of place.

          • I do know. Its design does not fit, its old, campy , screams 1960’s and does not flow from the NX. If it looks like it did in TOS they just killed the show, just like ENT did. Sure a few hard core fans will wack off to it, but most non hard core one will roll their eyes and accept the show has jumped the shark, and make fun of it. It is a numbers game, most trek fans are not TOS diehard. Those are aging out, dying off and as with any fandom, you do not depend on the diehards for views.

            The TOS ship is not a PT crusier, its a freaking Model T and looks it. The design forms are dated and not ones trek used. TOS era ship , we have two , both of which are thrown out in 1979. they wrote them out.

            Every single ship that came after, uses the TMP design as its base, even the NX has clear TMP linage. This killed the TOS design. Once the NX was set in the past, the TOS connie died. You wil not see the TOS ship as it does not fit in the current line up. It does not fit after the Walker class or before the Crossfeild class. It simply has no place as designed.

          • kadajawi

            Well, it’s along the lines of a PT Cruiser. Or say, the new VW Beetle. It follows an archaic design.

            The differences between refit and original aren’t that big on the outside. And the NX-01 uses similar bussard collectors to the original 1701.

            As long as we don’t enter the connie we should be fine. It doesn’t need to have aztek patterns on it, it was simply painted to look smoother. Later that was left away for practical reasons, whatever.

            IMHO it didn’t hurt ENT to show the Defiant. It also didn’t hurt DS9 to show the original connie. And those appearances fixed the design… because of them it is truly part of the visual identity of Star Trek.

            Btw. I’m not a TOS die hard either. I don’t even like the show much. I like the characters, but mostly because of the movies. However TOS did happen, and whenever those years are shown, it should pay respect to that. I wish Discovery played during another time… at least after TMP, but preferably after VOY, where this show would look absolutely right without changing almost anything.

          • !: The difference between the TOS and TMP ships is massive in its design forms. When you start to look they are simply massive. Just as a 2016 better is not the same at all with a 1956 beetle

            2: The NX design forms are decades ahead of those of the more simplistic and archaic TOS cruiser, even the throw back Bussards are way, way more designed and advanced than the simplistic TOS ones. They are like looking at a modern design that pays homage to an older one.

            3: If the TOS cruiser shows up at all, no it will not be fine, it looked goofy and out of place when ENT pulled that fan wank. You can’t just place a aztek pattern on those design forms, can’t just update the skins

            4: Yeah that ship looked old and goofy and like the NX could clean its clock, it was like having a model T next to a stringway and acting like the model T was more advanced.

            You can not tell me this line up looks belivable
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d3cbe3706bfca2481bc8f1f8c8ae938d46bb876ab63f495cbde6fb15967612d7.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8165923c92d0ed1c8308c705f73acda182cb8c7b360ec9407b8676f721e39e49.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3e8721aa4234001b061f3764fe37fcc9a23285bb23ccf94074e06d0f44dce614.jpg

            Go ahead, can you with all honestly say that design fits between those two?

          • kadajawi

            I disagree, the NX-01 doesn’t necessarily look more modern than the original Enterprise. Sleek lines and lack of detail is a sign of technological superiority, or it can be. i.e. what is more futuristic than a featureless shape that can do anything? The monoliths in 2001. The eggs in Arrival. etc.

            Also if you consider the NX-01 refit, that draws the line between the NX-01 and the Consitution class etc.

            No, the 1701 doesn’t really fit in between those two ships, but that’s the problem of Discovery.

          • No man, the TOS ship is not sleek, its basic and rather clunky design wise. No one who really just looks at the shapes can honestly call it sleek or streamlined.

            That ” refit” was both awful looking and made zero sense what so ever.

            The issue is not one of discover. Those two ships fit behind the NX, they are designs that come from that linage, they flow from its design forms. Not the textures, the basic shapes. The TOS design no longer fits and has not sense the NX was made. We see the ships leading up to the NX, we see what comes after and the TOS ship simply does not fit. You can remove it with zero issues to the line up .

      • Perplexum

        Seeing that Discovery takes places 100 years after Enterprise, they are all out of service for decades I’s assume.

  • Harry Kane

    Klingons don’t even look proper, Look CGI and very prosthetic, Canon Klingons were real klingons, not the crap presented on our screens and in the abrams movies.

    • TUP

      How many real Klingons have you met? haha

  • Harry Kane

    Is it anywonder CBS wanted to shutdown Axanar? is 100% better than Star Trek Discovery. And it was fanmade. They also put the effort to work with canon.

    • Anaxar was a bunch of thiving aholes and it looked good, for a fan film. It was not even in the same galaxy FX wise as this

      • Pedro Ferreira

        Well it had better effects.

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          No. It didn’t.

  • Thomas Elkins

    I’m still on the fence. For the most part the first episode wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t great either. Since I have no intention of paying for their All Access, I have not watched the second episode. Personally I think it should have been a two hour episode, but I’m sure they thought a cliffhanger would hook people in and convince them to fork out money for it. I’m sure it worked on some, but it didn’t work on me.

    I must say that after seeing the full episode, I still hate the Klingons. If they end up being a new variation and the other Klingons still exist in the canon, then I will accept them. As of right now however, If they intend for these guys to be a retcon and try to say they’ve always looked like this then I straight up HATE them. And don’t anyone tell me it’s not a retcon either, or “only events are canon and not visuals.” If events are canon then Worf getting his hair cut by Mot who says Klingon hair is such a joy to cut he sometimes cuts too much, then Klingons not having hair is a retcon. According to Klingon mythology, Kahless formed the first Bat’leth by cutting off a lock of his hair and tossing it into a river of lava. If Klingons no longer have hair, THEN IT’S A RETCON.

    I highly doubt we’ll see other Klingon variants in DSC’s first season, although I would love to be wrong, but if the basic premise of the show is strong and worthy of a second season then I hope they consider bringing back the other Klingons for that season. Like the Aenar in Star Trek Enterprise, it’s ok to say there are different types of Klingons out there. There were various types of humans too until they all died out or interbred leaving only us. That doesn’t have to be a constant in the universe and other planets could still have multiple types of humanoids living on them. I would prefer this over an unnecessary retcon any day.

    The holographic communication doesn’t do it for me. It didn’t do it for me on Deep Space Nine either and they had only tried that for a handful of episode before abandoning it themselves. It just doesn’t feel right and it was really weird seeing the hologram interact with a desk. Sarek was supposed to be somewhere else and yet he could perfectly move around Burnham’s room and sit on her desk? And what does Sarek do all day? She placed a call for Sarek and BAM! He was in the room with her. Not a delay of any kind. Does he just sit around waiting for his kids to call him? That’s kinda sad actually. Seriously though I think they should ditch the hologram, not because of canon or anything, but because it didn’t work before and it just doesn’t work now.

    As for the characters themselves, I actually really liked them. I’ve always been a fan of Doug Jones and he’s definitely a welcome to Star Trek. I’m surprised it took him this long to join in, but better late than never I suppose. Personally I thought Georgiou’s dialog was a little rigid, but it’s also the first episode. Pilot episodes, and even entire first seasons, tend to be that way so I can give it a pass. Everyone will come into their own after a few episodes/seasons.

    Going back to the Klingons real quick, I thought the inclusion of the Albino Klingon was a nice touch. I always thought it would be interesting if the Albino from DS9 was a Klingon outcast, which a non-canon novel also suggested, and it was great seeing an Albino here. Especially since he was a nobody who had no House. I suggested a few times now that I would like to see the augment virus Klingons on the show being outcasts who must fight for their rights in a Klingon-esque civil rights movement. I think it would be neat if the actual Albino from DS9 appeared alongside a virus infected Kor, Kang and Koloth as they all fight to be recognized by their fellow Klingons. Showing how the infected Klingons go from outcasts to the greatest warriors in the Empire would be a neat idea, as would seeing how the Albino ends up betraying or hating them enough to kill their first born sons. There is a lot of great potential here if they can see it.

    Another thing I really liked were the sound effects. There were plenty of classic sounds, including the TOS bridge ambiance which was a real treat. Now if only they could make the visuals look more like TOS. They said they would change things, such as the consoles, eventually so it’s possible we will see them slowly evolve into TOS like they said. We didn’t see a Phaser Pistol fire in the first episode, but I hope it has a TOS sound or inspired sound when it does. I liked hearing the classic Phaser in ENT when Mirror Archer vaporized the admiral.

    One last thing I found weird was that the USS Discovery wasn’t in it. The show is called Star Trek: Discovery and the USS Discovery wasn’t even in it? It just felt weird to me. I know Discovery probably means more than just the ship, like discover of self or whatever, but it was still weird. We didn’t have to wait a couple of episodes to see the Voyager on Star Trek: Voyager or Deep Space Nine on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. I don’t know if the Discovery appears at the end of the second episode, but if she does then the weirdness would have been absent had they made it a two hour episode instead of breaking it up. Maybe it’s just me though.

    All in all the episode wasn’t bad, but I’m still not happy with the changes they’ve chosen to make. There is still time to make it right in my eyes though, if they care what I think.

    • Harry Kane

      Agreed, They are doing whatever they want. We know Klingons do not look like that. It hasn’t been that long since ENT. It already looks too advanced and too oversized. USS Discovery is an abnomally.

      • TUP

        You’re simply incorrect.

  • Ian Fleming

    Looking forward to next week. When all of the people currently complaining that they won’t be watching are no longer here.

    • Harry Kane

      Trekcore is not the core of trekfans, STO is now

      • Ian Fleming

        And?

    • Oh they will hate watch. They can’t bash it for having women on it or its “poor” FX or its imaginary canon violations if they don’t watch,

      • TUP

        Im quite amused by a few of the regular bashers who havent been around much today. They see most of us having intelligent conversations where we discuss both the negative and positive of the episodes, the great ratings and reviews and they are trying to find something to complain about.

      • Ian Fleming

        True. 🙂 or 🙁 to be more exact.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      No I just want to see the legit complaints about how bad it is so I can report on it.

  • OnlyManWhoCan

    I thought it was a very strong pilot overall – by the end of the first part I was on the edge of my seat and the second part was thrilling. I did find the character interactions a little stilted but take a look back at the performances in any pilot and tell me that’s not always the case.

    All in all it’s going to be a long wait for the next episode!

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      Pushing it a bit too hard, yes?

      • mr joyce

        trolling a bit too hard, no?

    • Matthew Burns

      Sci Fi shows are a notorious genre for pilot episodes… they are never all that great compared to what generally happens later on.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        I call BS on that.

        • FrostUK

          The only sci-fi shows that I think had fantastic pilots that hit the ground running were TOS (on its second attempt) and Futurama. I think it’s true that they usually struggle.

          • TUP

            Definitely. And you’ve got a lot of exposition too. They could have tightened it up, in my opinion, but the fact it was clunky and cluttered doesnt surprise me.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Again I call BS on that. I’d happily rewatch the pilots to a lot of TV shows.

        • Matthew Burns

          I did like X Files episode Pilot. That was a great start to that show.

  • Harry Kane

    Here’s how discovery should be looking almost at this point, Look at the nacceles, look at the hull and look at the starfleet insignia, see how its evolving and becoming TOS??? you tell me what discovery does to blend in!??????? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4ff6da4194480728b78fa65c618ec2f5460c3ee63293e68a610787693c3d2310.jpg

    • Ian Fleming

      You are flogging a dead horse.

      • Harry Kane

        Discovery is a dead horse, Will not pass 2 seasons

        • Ian Fleming

          If it’s a dead horse then why are you still here, spamming the comments section? Nothing to see. Move along.

          • Harry Kane

            Why should I?

          • Ian Fleming

            Because it is absurd. I’m not sure as to what you are hoping to achieve. The show isn’t going to disappear. CBSAA isn’t going to disappear. If you are not going to watch it then you have no real cause for complaint. CBS aren’t taking your money and therefore whether it succeeds (or fails) is no longer your concern.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            No, stick around, Mensa. Love your posts.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Good come back.

      • Its all he has.

        • Ian Fleming

          That is painfully apparent.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      LOL — YEA, LET”S TAKE THE MOST PISS-POOR STARSHIP DESIGN IN HISTORY AND RE-FIT IT.

      You’ve got to be kidding me! That’s like tacking a crack addict and “re-fitting” him to be meth addict.

      EPIC FAIL!

    • Planetary

      The NX design was already a craptacular re-use and modification of the Akira. It also looked too advanced to precede THE Enterprise. Adding that secondary hull makes it look even more craptacular and into the realm of outright shit. It looks exactly like the tacked on after thought that it is.. No, if they were going to add that much to a ship, they would’ve just designed a new class, and one where the different parts look like an organic part of the whole. Not this half assed fan wank.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Agreed. “Never throw good money after bad”

  • Harry Kane

    Exactly, its not prime universe trek.

    • TUP

      It is Prime Universe,.

      • James

        Yup. It may look like the Kelvin timeline, but it ain’t.

        Who cares though, really? When the episodes are so good, I just get caught up in it all.

        Star trek is no stranger to the visual reboot, Enterprise looked much more advanced than TOS.

        • Snap

          That’s true, but that’s the problem with doing a prequel series after nearly 50 years.

          Let’s take another long running series with the visual aesthetic argument: Doctor Who. Over time, sometimes in shorter intervals, the look of the TARDIS evolved and changed, though while often radically different each iteration keeps the same general structure so you know it is the TARDIS.

          Oh yeah, I should mention there will be some spoilers for recent Doctor Who in case anyone hasn’t seen it. Anyway, now more than 50 years later, a TARDIS is stolen and we see that the console room is a carbon copy of the original TARDIS interior of the 60s. Even the exterior of the Doctor’s TARDIS has remained consistent for over 50 years, seeing some updates here and there but aside from the colour of the light on the top panel or some black panels in the “windows” if you had never seen an episode of Doctor Who since the first few years and just glanced at the TARDIS, you would know it was the TARDIS.

          It doesn’t matter that it’s old and out of date and that the Doctor has gone through a dozen of iterations and millennia of growth and change,the fresh TARDIS pulls directly from the past and owns it. It’s the same with the Cybermen,they have evolved over the years and the original depiction looks undeniably cheesy, but they brought the original back for one of the stories.

          I’m not sure why Trek fans are ashamed of their past.

          • Its not the same.
            1: Dr.Who embraces the camp. It does not take itself seriously, like ever
            2:The design still looked good and no where near as dated as anything from TOS. It was not designed the same way and Dr.Who sure as heck used modern styles and props and it looked better than the OG one.

          • Snap

            I don’t think there’s much difference, because up until Discovery, Trek HAD embraced the camp of its beginnings. Even Voyager, though it never featured a representation of the classic Constitution class, remained consistent with the D-7 being used for the generational ship they encountered. Considering the only time we ever saw the interior of a D-7 ship in TOS was a Romulan variant, there was nothing to contradict how any of its interior may have appeared.

            I think the previous changes made to the Klingons have been exaggerated. Of course there is the TOS to TMP update and then the further update with Search for Spock, but afterwards it was fairly minor tweaks here and there which most would probably never even spot the difference unless they really looked closely and deliberately.

            It could be accepted that the Klingons seen in Discovery were another sect of Klingons, but there was absolutely no variation with the Klingons shown of the other houses and council. Doctor Who never changed a Dalek for the sake of changing a Dalek, nor did Star Wars ever change a Wookiee or Yoda simply because they could.

            Yes, Doctor Who has greatly updated concepts like the Cybermen but the point is they don’t try to retcon that the new incarnations are what those concept have always looked like. It would be incredibly easy to modernize the TOS aesthetic, as the garish colours pallette was essentially mandated by NBC in order to take advantage of the new colour TV technology.

            Take the TOS bridge, give it a more Enterprise-escle colour scheme, update the displays, streamline the helm/ops console as well as the captain’s chair and you could have something which looks like older tech but not hokey.

            With the Klingons, people have continually argued that there are many worlds in the Klingon Empire, so why do they all have to look the same? Why do they all have to look like the Discovery incarnation? They look about as Klingon as the Remans look Romulan.

            It’s just that it would be so ridiculously easy to modernize pre-TMP TOS but, like I have said in the past, what I have a particular problem is change for the sake of change. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Klingons when we last saw them (TV-wise) in Enterprise and unlike the Daleks or even the Cybermen, you cannot glance at the Discovery Klingons and recognize them as Klingons. It isn’t even just the general appearance, it’s the ships as well. You can see “Starfleet” in the new ship designs and you could say T’Kuvma’s ship is either a unique or outdated design but the rest of the Klingon ships bore no resemblance to Klingon ship design. I think that’s a valid criticism.

          • I really do not agree. They never embraced the camp, they tried to act like y it looked normal or reasonable, even when it made no sense. They made a single joke and fans could not accept it as a joke, because Trek does not laugh at itself. So because they tried to make fun of themselves and tell a joke, fans demanded an explanation to a make up change trek had always ignored.

            This is how much trek does not embrace its camp, does not make fun of itself and laugh at its campyness. A single joke changed the whole freaking setting because Trek and trek fans do not embrace its campy.

            The TOS bridge would need redesigned, its screams 1950’s nuke bunker. You can’t just paint it, you need to rework it.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Agreed. Buy the time of Voyager and Enterprise, the writers were running out of ideas, and so they instead got in the trap of pandering to the fans versus creating more original an cutting edge stories.

          • Yeah IMO sean 4 of ENT was one massive fanwank that did not work

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “I think the previous changes made to the Klingons have been exaggerated. Of course there is the TOS to TMP update”

            You just contradicted yourself. That huge change in Klingons from TOS to TMP is in fact more radical then the DSC change.

            With this statement, you unintentionally just proved the opposite of the point you were trying to make here.

            “There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Klingons when we last saw them (TV-wise) in Enterprise”

            Yes, they weren’t convincing as aliens, and they spoke English all the time. The last time we got more alien-looking Klingons who spoke their own language consistently was with TMP. Ever since then, Benett and Berman have mad them more and more human looking.

    • It is prime. Lying will not make you right

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Sorry Harry, but the mods suspended you buddy’s negative message and its no longer available. LOL

    • Pedro Ferreira
    • PJ

      For pete’s sake this show is still prime universe. It might be a visual reboot but it’s 2017. Keeping the 1960’s look would have been completely absurd.

      • Commander Kane

        No one said totally keeping the 60’s look, but they had to meet half way, they have done bugger all and just gone for the kelvin look. when it could have been so exciting

        • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

          Why do these people complain about the 60s look so much?
          I think that’s one of the best things about TOS.

  • Edgar Pinecone

    Thumbs up.

  • Harry Kane

    Hey even trying to watch it is an effort, CBS All Access or Netflix

    • mr joyce

      if you get netflix, youll get a ton of other good stuff to watch on it too, which is much better content than all access. although, if youre in the US, i think it works slightly dirfferently

  • MeisterOlsen

    Star Trek should inspire hope. This inspires despair and depression.
    And what is with every camera angle being tilted? What kind of filmography is this?

    Klingons ugly, they can not even pronounce anything. Ships with giant holes in it. Hyper-cutting Michael Bay style. Death, death, death.

    Concept fail. It does not deserve the name Star Trek.

    • Harry Kane

      Totally agree, and honestly was the reference to Trump really needed? Pathetic.

      • Justin Olson

        What reference?

      • MeisterOlsen

        Oh I disagree, the reference to current day mindless nationalism was the best thing about it. If they continue it, it is the only way it might redeem the show.

        • Harry Kane

          Trump trek

        • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

          Disagree on that , already get that everywhere (the Emmys were nothing but that) it isn’t needed in Trek, at all.

          • TUP

            Just because you dont like it doesnt meant its not needed. Well, nothing is NEEDED. But Trek has often been a sign of its time.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Of course. It’s Star Trek, so there is going to be commentary on current events, including on that tin-plated would be dictator with delusions of godhood.

          T’Kuvma: “Don’t believe in all of the Federation, “we come in peace” fake news….let’s all make Kronos great again!” 😉

      • Pedro Ferreira

        I’m sure left wing people are having wet dreams to that.

    • Justin Olson

      The word you’re looking for is direction, or cinematography, not filmography. A filmography is one’s list of credits.

      • MeisterOlsen

        I guess the cinematographer on Discovery didn’t know what it’s called either.

        • Justin Olson

          He’s literally won an Oscar for his work.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            This show has cinematography?

          • Justin Olson

            Very good cinematography, yes.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      “What kind of filmography is this?”

      Huh? Filmography?

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Well you must be wrong because this is modern TV. Ha, ha!

      Seriously I feel your pain.

  • Justin Olson

    Wow, was not expecting Nicholas Meyer’s contributions to the 2nd episode to be completely thrown out (along with his co-writer Bryan Fuller, who still retains a credit on the 1st episode’s teleplay). The new showrunners (Berg and Harberts) are the only ones who are credited with the teleplay. They must have radically changed what had originally been written.

    I can only imagine Meyer was given his “Consulting Producer” title and the new Trek project he’s writing now as a consolation prize for his teleplay being round filed. That must’ve hurt after all these decades to come back to the franchise and have your work trashed.

    • Harry Kane

      I would be pretty pissed off, if I was Meyer, Discovery because of Berg Harberts, Kurtzman is shit

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Who is Berg Harbarts? Part of the Berg Collective, perhaps?

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      “was not expecting Nicholas Meyer’s contributions to the 2nd episode to be completely thrown out ”

      Please cite a source? Or is this all conjecture?

    • Matthew Burns

      Is Meyer no longer involved? I never heard any news about his departure from the team?

      • TUP

        He had written the second episode but it looks like that is no longer the case and he is now a “consultant” as opposed to a writer,. He said as much in an interview that he originally want to be one of several writers in the room but was moved to consultant.

        It could be a personality thing where he just didnt fit into a writers room mentality. Who knows.

        • Matthew Burns

          He still seems to be a good guy who can polish a script, tighten it up. Shame.

      • Justin Olson

        I suppose it’s still possible he contributed to another episode down the line, but he was announced as only co-writing the 2nd episode “Battle of the Binary Stars” and you can see that he is still listed as a writer on that episode’s IMDB page, but on the final episode his name and Fuller’s has been replaced with Berg and Harberts.

        http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5835712/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_wr#writers

    • Pedro Ferreira

      They kicked him out, not surprising.

  • Trent

    For what they spent on these 2 episodes we could have gotten a 1/2 a 5th season of Manny Coto Enterprise !

    • Harry Kane

      Exactly! And how so much better that would have been!

      • TUP

        Discovery, flawed as it was, is 100 times better than Coto’s Enterprise. And I liked Coto’s Enterprise.

  • The Final Left Ear

    shoddy and completely unwatchable. beyond was the first movie I didn’t see in the cinema.
    This is the first trek show I’ll be ignoring too.
    I feel violated by stupid and surrounded by idiots.

    • Harry Kane

      Same, if some people will stand for shoddy trek then thats up to them, at least some of us have high standards. I was so excited for this show when it first started, and then that CGI Reveal of the Discovery and more and more it when downhill,

      • Eric Henry

        Calling it “shoddy”, while also whining about the high production values is absurd.

        • Yeah and dishonest

        • Pedro Ferreira

          What high production values? Where?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You didn’t watch it even. Stop being such a dick.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I’ve seen the clips and it looks crap so please stop being a dick yourself thanks.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            First you you can’t have a “valid” opinion on a show you didn’t watch. That’s not good.

            But far worse, to have not watched it, but then to swoop in here on this REVIEW article, and troll with your negativity about how a show you never even bothered to watch…that is sociopathic, disturbing and sad behavior.

            SHAME ON YOU!

      • Pedro Ferreira

        They’re in denial because they paid for this crap.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle
    • TUP

      Thats how I feel here sometimes but only when you and your pals post a lot.

  • David Lund

    Loved it. Brilliant start to the series, and unexpected in that it’s effectively starting again next week with the ‘second pilot’. I thought Saru was brilliant, his character is definitely going to be one that stands out. So very very impressed with what the crew and cast have produced, I agree wholeheartedly with the Trekcore review. I also loved the little nods to previous shows – the books on the shelf, the sound effects and red alert symbols. This is Star Trek updated. It’s exactly what I wanted, and I can’t wait for next week’s episode!

    • David Lund

      Oh dear, just scrolled through the comments on here. Does make me sad that people are so fulll of hate. Don’t like it? Don’t watch it. Simple as. Such a shame there has to be such a bun fight over what is ‘real’ Star Trek. Enjoy it, don’t enjoy it, just don’t be so mean towards those with different views

      • Quintillion Tesla

        It’s interesting – how can any show win, when the fans want nothing LESS than absolute perfection of what is in THEIR mind – and yet at the same time, they have been happy enough with less than stellar episodes or seasons of previous TREK iterations.

        By that marker, I think DSC has got off to a very strong and dynamic start.

        • David Lund

          Weirdly most of the rage is about badges, computers and holograms – set dressing rather than anything substantial like plot, acting or direction. It’s as if a lot of fans don’t actually want new stories but a blank canvas to project their own into.

          Thankfully however there are lots of fans who actually enjoyed it. The 11,000 strong Facebook group especially is a welcome positive zone.

          As an aside I’m wondering if it’s not the last we see of Georgiou – we didn’t confirm she was dead, only that Saru lost her life signs to lock into.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            That’s heartening to know. Even with minor nitpicks here and there ( which show doesn’t ), I’m glad overall that many fans enjoyed it.

            Ah – you’re right about Georgiou – someone else mentioned that she may ( likely bring her back in flashback ) OR as you suggest, perhaps she is still alive.

            Maybe the Kilngons will use Georgiou as leverage ( if she really is alive ) in the way Burnham suggested to use T’Kuvma?

          • Snap

            I do think a lot of such criticism is valid, though. If the show is promoted as being in a specific part of the timeline with a pledge to “honour canon” then completely disregard said canon whenever it might limit what they can do, it deserves to be criticised.

            With the badges, while it would have been great attention to detail and would have been cool had there been unique ship-based badges, it’s not something I will personally stress over. However, I will say that incorporating the rank pips into the badges was a complete failure in execution, as you can barely even see that there are pips on the badges, let alone which rank is signified.

            The computers? Despite my preference for a reasonable visual continuity, this is something which I have no issues with being updated and am definitely not bothered that it doesn’t have the stiff, robotic delivery. The panel interfaces, though, should really be tactile rather than a TNG-level touch screen.

            Then there’s the holograms. This is definitely an aspect where the show deserves a “point of order!” rebuke. Not only the the holograms themselves, but the fact that they are on the very edge of Federation space yet they have no problem with real-tie communication with Starfleet which, nearly 80 years later, will not be possible. And with the hologram themselves, when it was used in DS9 it was even commented in dialogue that there were officers uneasy with the technology, including a captain such a holographic communication being on the bridge of his ship. There is no excuse on the part of the producers for this one,, if they claim it is “prime” and that they are respecting and honouring canon, this absolutely does not belong at this point in time and is a change for the sake of change.

            With these particular criticisms, despite people who may not like the arguments, with everything said the producers leading up to the release of the show, they are completely valid and appropriate. If they sad flat out, “we’re going to do a new take on Trek, based on X” then while it may not be aesthetically the most appealing, it wouldn’t be an issue nor a violation of the canon they not only professed to respect but also pidgeonholed themselves into by selecting a very specific timeframe for the story.

            Now for a story-based critique, let’s take the ability of T’Kuvma’s ship to cloak itself. You can press the “Point of order!” button on that one, as the existence of cloaking tech was a huge element in “Balance of Terror” some 10 years later in the timeline and it was another two years before the Klingons would acquire the tech through an alliance with the Romulans, which also saw the Romulans acquiring Klingon ship designs.

            So, yeah, by all means praise the show where praise is due but don’t overlook the glaring flaws which do nothing but reinforce the perspective that Discovery is another splinter in the Trek multiverse.

            With Geprgopi (and I fully expect to be wrong on this) I think it is highly unlikely that she is alive following the battle on the Klingon ship, considering she was impaled through the heart and T’Kuvma suffered a comparable wound at the hands of Burnham’s phaser. Furthermore, the lack of a life sign should not impede Saru’s attempt to retrieve Georgiou’s body as the communicator acts as a beacon for transport. Of course, I will concede that this argument could be countered with the establishment of the outdated transporter technology of the Shenzhou, but it is still plausible.

          • kadajawi

            Ok. So… the soundtrack is unremarkable, as unremarkable as Marvel movie soundtracks. The camera work/directing seems odd at times, intended to make us uneasy where there is no need for that. It looks like a beginner filmmaker, who, having learnt some techniques, is using them all the time without understand why they are used for. The acting is wooden, especially that of Michelle Yeoh. Speaking of wooden acting, the heavy masks worn by Klingons hide any acting happening underneath. Barely any facial expressions are visible. The plot isn’t particularly strong either, or smart.

            Yes, I was also disturbed by the holograms, or the stupidity of having transparent screens (what’s easier to read… something written on a white wall, or something written on a window that has lots of busy things going on behind it). But the show has lots of issues so far. I am actually rather stunned by how many seem to actually enjoy it… glad you can.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Dynamic my arse.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        Are we not allowed to comment on it? I mean this is a Star Trek board right?

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          You haven’t seen it, so if I was in charge here, I’d say no, you shouldn’t be allowed to comment on this REVIEW on episodes 1 and 2.

        • kadajawi

          Watch it, then comment.

      • Snap

        In my opinion, both sides of the coin need to respect the views of the other and, for the most part, agree to disagree. None of us are ever going to agree with each other about everything regarding Star Trek (or anything else, for that matter) but it’s when we start trying to impose our own opinions upon others that it goes to a bad place.

        Reading the comments, there are a lot of things I agree with and a lot of things I disagree with, but while I may argue my point I will not attack an opposing point of view with a BS argument such as “true/real Trek” (to say I hate the “true/real fan” argument would actually be an understatement).

        Of course, there will be the “trolls” who just spread negativity for the sake of spreading negativity, but we should be careful to avoid just slapping the “troll” label on anything which may be critical of the show, as criticism IS just as valid feedback as praise and critical feedback itself does not equate hating the show and wishing it to fail.

        So… yeah, we should all definitely make the effort to treat our fellow fans with the same respect we would want to be treated with. Debates can be productive, whereas flaming is not.

        • mr joyce

          most people cant be bothered to be subjective about it, on both sides, they just like to argue for the sake of it, and just bait each other

    • Quintillion Tesla

      Yep, Sta Trek is always about looking into “our” future and should move with the times – visually it should not like a 1960s TV show, so I hve no problem with the updates.

      I thought Michelle Yeoh was a terrific captain – it’ll be sad to see her go.

      Burnham’s disgrace reminded me a bit of Tom Paris, or even Thomas Riker. Will be interesting to see how she regains respect.

      • Riker was such a cool unused concept

      • kadajawi

        Even back then, with the limited experience the Federation had with Klingons at that time, she should have known that her actions were just plain stupid. It’s not like she wasn’t warned… It was a typical Janeway decision.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Agree 100%. An updated return to form for Star Trek.

      • Paul Walker

        I love Star Trek but hate bigotry.

    • Planetary

      “This is Star Trek updated”.

      Yep. Just like Star Trek was updated and completely re-imagined in 1979 for those times. People that weren’t there in the 70’s are completely and utterly ignorant of just how big that complete overhaul of the visual aesthetic of Trek was. This visual update is, to this old timer, far less jarring than the one in 79.

      • There is a i.age from a new paper with the same hate your seeing now directed at TNG

      • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

        Lol k

        • TUP

          You disagree that the look of Star Trek was altered and updated in 1979? You deny that fact?

          • mr joyce

            which is why he didnt reply, hes just messaging on here to bait people he doesnt agree with

      • Pedro Ferreira

        Of course it does, it follows the J J reboots (wink).

      • kadajawi

        Yes, Star Trek was completely overhauled. But it was moving forward, with explanations given. The Enterprise looks different? Yes, but it looks different because they rebuilt it. They changed lots of parts. Now the Klingons were a big change that were only explained a long, long time after that. But most other changes can be explained. But by placing the show BEFORE what we have seen already, things should be looking like it’s going to be TOS in a couple of years. That’s a terrible idea of course, but the solution is to NOT make it so close to the most dated portion of the franchise, so that they have some creative freedom and are able to do modern looking things.

        • Planetary

          Nope. It was explained why the SHIP looked different, not the visual aesthetic of every single aspect of the fictional world. TMP was a soft reboot, I got that when I was 12 and saw the movie in the theater. And ENT was way too advanced looking to precede Star Trek as well. I probably cared about that in 2001, but I’ve long since stopped caring.

          Star Trek (I will never call it TOS because that is not it’s name) is not only my favorite Trek, it’s my favorite t.v. show. It has been since 1972. We could jettison all four spin-off’s and I wouldn’t consider anything of value to be lost. And I still don’t care that Discovery looks more advanced than a show that was produced in the 60’s, even if that show is my favorite. Because I stopped giving a shit about trivial bullshit like that years ago. The only thing I care about is “Did I enjoy it?” The answer is “yes, I did”.

          • kadajawi

            Hm. Fair enough. But I think I’m ok with these kind of changes if you’re going forward in the timeline. Now admittedly I was familiar to the TMP Klingons long before I got to know the TOS Klingons, so I don’t know how my reaction would have been otherwise. My point is that if the show is set at roughly the same time, it should look similar, feature similar ships (even if only in the background).

            That’s what Marvel does so well. Anything happens in the movies affects the TV shows, and the other movies. Characters from one part of the universe can appear in other properties too, it’s all linked together and feels like one world. The look too. It all matches up. Star Trek, for a long time, did that too. Then came the Kelvin timeline. And if Discovery was part of that timeline, sure, go ahead. But if it wants to be part of the prime timeline (which I prefer), then it has to play by the rules.

            Also, if Discovery played in 2415, yeah, great. I would love some of the designs and new tech. Because there it makes sense. How awesome is that window that is also a screen. But it simply doesn’t belong on such an old ship, when newer ones are way more dated.

  • Eric Watson

    I am recalling the TNG episode First Contact. Picard talked about contact with the Klingons leading to a war. The events seen in Star Trek Discovery could be what he was talking about. It makes sense to me. What we saw in DIS last night wasn’t really a true first contact, but it was the first contact with them in about a century, and a crew not fully understanding Klingons. This contact obviously does lead to a real shooting war with the Klingons, then a decades long cold war.

    Picard may have been incorrectly recalling history. How many of us know every detail of every war in real world history? Most people don’t know the exact details of the Spanish American War for example. If we talked about them now, even very educated people, might get the detailes mixed up a bit. It could also be that Picard was giving a very abbreviated version to make his point in that TNG episode.

    This does seem to almost correct the canon messed up by ENT and the Broken Bow first contact that did not lead to a war.

    I love this new series. I am greatful we have Trek Again.

    • Harry Kane

      Enterprise brought about the first true contact with Klingons, still had skirmishes with the klingons.

      • Eric Watson

        But not a full on war that would alter the way Starfleet did first contacts.

        • TUP

          Just another way in which Enterprise screwed the pooch. Discovery makes far more sense. But if I recall the issue was First Contact with the Klingons brought the Prime Directive. That doesnt jive now

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yea, exactly. Enterprise AGAIN SHOWS US HOW NOT TO DO THINGS IN STAR TREK.

  • I thought humans couldn’t do the Vulcan nerve pinch.

    “Pity you can’t teach me that.” – Kirk
    “I have tried Captain.” – Spock

    And another thing that struck me as I watched. . . but it’s Sah-rek, not Say-rek.

    “Sarek of Vulcan, I would speak with you. How do you vote, Sarek of Vulcan?” Even the Tellarite got his name right.

    It’s a little thing, but often it’s really the little things in life.

    • Quintillion Tesla

      I thought Seven-of_Nine managed the nerve pinch too.

      “Say-Rek” who said that? I can’t recall. It’s most probably just an accent thing.

      • They pronounced his name that way through out the show.

        • Quintillion Tesla

          Hmm. I did not pick up on that at all. I heard it as “Sarek”, but I take your point, I’ll listen out for it when I watch it again.

    • Eric Henry

      Uh, Kirk maybe couldn’t do it, but other humans in Star Trek have… I mean honestly though, if you’re gonna nit-pick the small stuff, you should know it well.

      • Trent

        Nope. only those mind melded ,moot after part 2

    • prometheus59650

      Kirk couldn’t learn it.

      Picard used it. Data used it. It’s a skill that can be acquired, he just couldn’t do it.

      Hell, McCoy shared Spock’s marbles and he still couldn’t do it.

      • TUP

        Yup. Its well established non-Vulcans can do it. I WISH it was only a Vulcan thing. But its not. So be it.

      • Never really watched TNG, and McCoy couldn’t do it because it was good for comedic affect.

        • prometheus59650

          I don’t care why. The fact is that McCoy, even sharing consciousness with Spock, couldn’t do it either. Its canon.

          It’s a skill that some humans can learn to do. Kirk couldn’t. 50 years of future history shows us that it was more difficult to learn than Kirk thought and he couldn’t figure it out..

          • Ok, man. Whether it’s been done in other iterations by humans or not I disagree with the writers for doing that. Kind of takes the specialness out of it to me.

          • prometheus59650

            And I can understand that, but it’s not some new thing.

          • Snap

            While I agree with your argument, considering past heated debates on issues regarding Discovery, using “it’s canon” is becoming a muddy issue. I can clearly recall argument which not only pick and choose what elements of canon to respect based on personal preference while also saying it is perfectly acceptable for the producers to pick and choose canon as they see fit.

            Thus, I am of the mind that if someone is to claim canon on one thing, then it should be used even with unpopular canonical elements, which may relegate elements of Discovery which one happens to enjoy as contradictory and a violation of canon.

            With regards to Burnham being able to perform the neck pinch, I think it makes sense in the context of the story as she was raised on Vulcan essentially AS a Vulcan, and the neck pinch is not just a simple “grab the neck and squeeze” but you need to be familiar with the pressure points and ow to manipulate them.

            I would generally take more issue with McCoy not being able to perform it as, subconsciously, Spock’s katra would have that knowledge (and McCoy himself being a doctor with the basic medical knowledge) but the presence of the katra created an imbalance within McCoy that while the pinch itself may be instinctual, the dueling consciousness within hmi made him far from lucid.

            Burnham, on the other hand, was well aware of what she intended to do.

          • TUP

            McCoy was influenced by Spock’s Katra but it wasnt like Spock had taken over his body. I took it as Bones thinking he could do it…but of course he couldn’t because he lacked formal training in how to do it.

  • Partha Mittra

    I have only watched the first two episodes and I will need to look at it again but here are my first thoughts.

    This far exceeded my expectations. I have been a fan of Trek for 44 of my 49 years but in re watching some of the old episodes of Trek a few ongoing issues came up.

    a) When Starfleet officers screw up really badly or have personal tragedy it usually gets resolved by the next episode. Benjamin Sisko was the exception to this rule,part of the reason why DS9’s The Emissary is the best first Trek episode, IMHO

    b) Starfleet officers always tend to be ‘right’. That is I have never seen an officer who was working in good faith completely get it completely wrong or suffer consequences for getting it completely wrong. Matt Decker on TOS maybe one exception that I can think of immediately

    The two pilot episodes addressed both issues very well with the actions and fate of Michael Burnham. The actress’s performance was very nuanced because you could see her as sort of an imperfect Vulcan. That is she was Spock logical on the beginning on the planet surface but she was clearly struggling with her decisions more and more as the two episodes progressed. It’s as if she was doing the best she could but the situation clearly just got worse and worse. This is what happens to real people in challenging situations. To me that is a good sign of Trek’s maturity. That is why I can behind this incarnation of Trek.

  • Locutus

    I enjoyed it, but probably not enough to pony-up for CBS All-Access. I will wait until the end of October and sign-up for a free week to binge the first half of the season. (I watched part 2 with a friend who signed up for the free trial.) As far as pilots go, there is a lot packed in there to explore in future episodes, which is great.

    The biggest disappointment really is the death of Captain Georgiou. I wish the show was about her!

    The show does seem much more in line with post-Abrams Star Trek than pre-Abrams Star Trek in terms of visuals and action. The visuals are beautiful. The action is just a bit too heavy. I enjoy Abrams-style Star Trek too though.

    I really don’t see any major continuity problems as some may have feared. The tech stuff like holographic comm systems, which were not shown until DS9, is really small potatoes.

    I have mixed feelings about the new look Klingons. I was concerned about the heavy Klingon prosthetics before the show aired, and there were problems with the actors acting through them. A lot of the extreme closeups seemed necessary mainly to pick up on the actors facial details. More importantly, I don’t want the whole season to revolve around them.

    I will eventually watch all of it, but I am not dying to see it as much as I had hoped. It is far better than VOY or ENT, I will say that.

  • Your Worst Nightmare

    “Battle at the Binary Stars” is a much better episode than “The Vulcan Hello.” It still perplexes me the decision for CBS to try to pull the crowd in with such a mediocre episode. I understand the necessity to do exposition. I get it. And much of what we saw was necessary. But, the end of BatBS was so much more compelling that TVH. They should have aired both.

    Sigh.

  • Jamie Thomas

    An interesting, spoiler-filled article on how the heroes of Discovery could easily be seen as war criminals.

    http://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-war-crimes-klingons/

  • JP

    “Star Trek: Discovery cast takes a knee in premiere night protest.”

    http://ew.com/tv/2017/09/25/star-trek-discovery-sonequa-takes-knee/

    • TUP

      Good for them.

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      Trendy!

      They should have taken a knee to make a better show lulz

      • TUP

        Ill take a knee right now if you’ll go away and never come back.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        I think they personally need to get off their arses and make a better show.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Says the person who hasn’t seen it. LOL

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Says the person who has read terrible stuff about what happens. I am glad I didn’t pay for that subscription service.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I feel sorry for you that you can’t have a real opinion on this, since you haven’t seen it.

          • TUP

            Didnt that guy say he lives outside the UK, so wouldn’t that mean he’d watch it on Netflix? I guess he isnt a fan of Netflix. lol

      • TUP

        Did you watch it? I know someone else commenting about making a better show didnt bother even watching it.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle
    • Pedro Ferreira

      “Being the first black female lead of a Star Trek show…” Ha, ha! They did it again! Ha, ha! They did it again! Ha, ha! They did it again… (repeatedly hits his head on the table in frustration and cries). Why? Why? (continues to cry).

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        They can do it 10,000 more times as far as I am concerned — loved it and proud of it! It never gets old.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Oracle this isn’t funny. The show comes across like a public travesty. I also find it embarrassing.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You didn’t even watch it…so you thus know jack shit about it and have no credibility on it whatsoever….nothing person, just stating how it is.

          • SpaceCadet

            He’s one of the worst repetitive trolls on here who doesn’t even watch the show he’s criticizing so I’m not going to continue to respond to his negative nonsense and just roll my eyes.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yep!

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            You haven’t watched it! You’re basing your opinion on reviews, probably reviews that you’ve henpecked that are negative.

            On top of that, it’s a TV show! If you’re going to find it embarrassing and call it a travesty… seriously, man. Get some perspective. There are far bigger things to be offended by.

          • TUP

            Its not the first time he’s put forth this opinion either. It gets to the point where you start to see the truth about a man…and its ugly.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I’m not going to say reactions haven’t been mixed. I’m not even going to say I loved it. I enjoyed it enough to continue, but they haven’t won me over quite yet. But this ridiculous need to attack something just because its not what you personally want, especially when you already made your mind up that you’re already going to hate it AND THEN NEVER EVEN WATCH THE DAMNED THING is just ridiculous!

            I’d have so much more respect for the man if he actually took two hours and watched it and then said he hated it.

          • TUP

            I have a feeling he was so depressed by the positive reviews and ratings info that he came here simply to troll people knowing he’d likely get banned and thus, would not be subjected to the depressing realization that Discovery is a success.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            He could have, ya know, just walked away.

          • TUP

            True. But maybe he couldn’t. lol

        • TUP

          Sigh. I started replying…I just…is this troll replying to you claiming Discovery is a travesty and embarrassment because the lead is a black female and “took a knee”?

          God,….

    • TUP

      And of course, being the first black female lead of a Trek show comes with importance that she clearly recognizes. Hopefully we dont get too many 1) racists 2) idiots that come alone and moan and cry about it.

  • TUP

    I liked it. has lots of potential.

    And it was BY FAR the best premiere in Trek history. It also made any comparison with Orville moot. They arent even in the same zip code of comparison.

    But…that premiere (especially hour 1, but you really have to take them together) was a cluttered mess that felt like it needed to be put back in the creative oven for a few more hours of cook time.

    With all those writers and producers, I cant believe that final product was what was delivered. Just not tight enough. Poor pacing. irrelevant side plots.

    What did I like? Well, most of it really. It looked beautiful. SFX, CGI, Sets, everything is top notch. Very cinematic.

    Acting was very good. Martin-Green is excellent. Doug Jones is excellent.

    The plot was a bit of a mess. They tried too hard to show us the Klingon perspective when, to be honest, it really didnt matter. They didnt make the Klingons sympathetic at all. It was still a silly plan on T’Kuvma’s part that relied on things unfolding just the way he hoped (the fleet showing up).

    There was no desperation to explain why Michael would actually attack her Captain to push her own plan. We might get more explanation with flashbacks but that hardly serves THIS story. Even Sarek was wishy washy about the plan and yet Michael was irrationally determined to attack.

    I wanted to see a battle that made me feel the way I felt when watching the premiere of Lost when the plane crashed. It was breathtaking and scary and in your face and it just came at you in waves of emotion and confusion. Had they re-created that feeling with in the context of the Klingons attacking, I would have been blown away.

    Michael’s plan was moot since she never got to do it anyway. And the Klingons ultimately fired first. Ive seen other people say, had Michael’s plan been enacted, by the time the other Klingons arrived, they’d find T’Kuvma dead and shrug and go home. But Im not sure thats the case. We have no indication the Schenzhou was a match for T’Kuvma’s ship.

    The weird exchange between Philipa and Connor was so forced. “Can you make it to sickbay?” If you can make it to sickbay, get back to your station. And then he goes to the brig instead…to lament how he’s an explorer and why are we at war? Who says we’re at war? its a battle. You’re a bridge officer. It was too convenient to the plot. Actually it didnt serve the plot at all…it was convenient to the political point of a character saying “we’re explorers”. Time and place, people. Time and place.

    The exchange bwteen Michael and the computer was similarly “cute” but actually stupid. If the computer has ethical programming for releasing the prisoners to avoid death, great. But had Michael been a Klingon prisoner and talked the computer into helping her escape, she could walk right onto the bridge and kill the Captain.

    HATE the holographic communications. Its the perfect example of fixing something that isnt broke. It adds nothing. It makes me wonder why they leave Earth at all, if they can interact with the environment anyway.

    Liked Saru very much. Did not much like the weird banter between him and Michael. I didnt believe it. They tried too hard to TELL us of the relationship. Let it unfold. Them shoving each other out of the way was cute but it made me think the Captain had a pretty lax culture on the bridge. And thats fine if it adds to the idea they were wholly unprepared for this battle…but then you’re painting the Captain as a failure. Thats fine to do but clearly not the intent here.

    Liked the Klingons for the most part. I dont mind them speaking their language. I can see others saying it took them out of the show to have to read rather then just take in the performance. And its tough to get a sense of emotion being conveyed when its mostly gutteral Klingon being spoken.

    I think they spent too much time on the Klingons and the religious aspect. I dont care one iota about the Obelisk and the Torchbearer (What was the point?) so that time would have been better spent giving us more of the human interaction so we cared about them. Show us the Klingon perspective later.

    Sarek was fine but his role in the premiere was rather pointless. Again, takes away from more important things. I assume he becomes more important. But he had nothing of value to add here. Had they kept him to the flashbacks, that would be fine. Had they had HIM implore Michael on a course of action (firing first), that would have been more interesting.

    But since he was pretty wishy washy about it, you had Michael take a course of action that her Captain, her friend (Saru) and even her “father” disagreed with. So why was she so desperate? Maybe we find out later…but we NEEDED to know now, for THIS story.

    Directing and editing seemed a bit clunky. Like there was probably a lot left over they didnt have time for. Will be interesting to see if thats the case.

    Disappointed there was no cameo by Archer as rumored. They could have served that had they expanded the flashback of Michael coming aboard and used that as our introduction instead of the obviously expensive, beautiful but pointless desert intro.

    If Sarek took the opportunity of some important gathering (Shenzhou launch or refit, or other ship launch or some sort of ceremony) to bring Michael to Philipa and you have an old Archer there (making it several years earlier than “present” also makes it slightly more believable” to offer some inspirational words about serving Star Fleet or something…would have been interesting.

    The directorial decision to shroud the military judges in darkness was odd. I didnt mind it and assume it was meant to just keep the focus on Michael. But while watching I was super anticipating that there was a reveal coming…that the middle Admiral would lean into the light and it would be someone we know (Pike??). Unfortunately, it wasnt to be.

    So while it seems like i didnt like it, I DID. But I really dont want the potential to be squandered for the same reason the JJ films were – lousy writing. Be tighter, more focused and more relevant.

    This two hour premiere was all about setting the table for the rest of the series. I am intrigued and excited to see where we go.

    • Matthew Burns

      Exactly. They can build on this. All really good shows get good in Season 2. Hopefully in a few years, we can all revisit these early episodes with a renewed sense of satisfaction, knowing then what we do not know now.

      • TUP

        Yup, even the things I didnt like, I didnt really hate much. Just the holograms lol Because its tech that should, by right, be used more broadly. thats the same issue with robots. Why have humans at all?

        In TNG time, it was worse because of holodecks. Why have any real officers. have whole ships of holograms.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      “And it was BY FAR the best premiere in Trek history.”

      https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1447593656ra/17025353.gif

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        I thought Trekcore told you and TUP not to bait each other anymore — not to respond to each other?

        • TUP

          I thought so too! lol

        • Trolls gotta troll man. I suggested TUP block him

          • TUP

            I just hate to block anyone on principle. Plus, if I block him and he keeps baiting me I wont see it.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Agreed. Maybe I am too old school, but I feel if I block someone, then I am indirectly conceding the floor to them forever.

          • TUP

            Yup, exactly how I feel. At some point the mods will get annoyed and probably just ban the guy. He’s pretty bold to come here and reply to me after being told twice not to. And to keep commenting negatively about the show after admitting he didnt watch it.

          • He keeps baiting me. I really don’t care

        • TUP

          If these guys are being booted, keep eyes open for brand “new” accounts with the same garbage being spewed…

          • SpaceCadet

            I think he was at last booted. Or perhaps he finally realized he should watch the show first before he comments on it! 😉

    • TUP

      @trekcore – I believe the whiner below was directed to stop replying to me (and I to him). Can we please get rid of him (or free me to take him to task)? Some clarity please… He’s been replying to my posts and I just want to know if that’s ok. if it is, I shall handle him myself. 🙂

      • Which one now?

        • TUP

          Mr Ferreira. I dont mind so much…but if we’re told not to reply to each other and he keeps doing so, then I want to know I have the freedom do reply as well since I previously defeated him in every argument. Otherwise, he’s just trolling me and trying to bait me.

          • Oh, I blocked him lol

          • TUP

            Not missing much. He admits he didnt watch Discovery but is adding remarks here and there, including to you. lol

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            What kind of a moron posts on a REVIEW of a show who doesn’t even bother to watch it?

          • TUP

            No kidding. Especially to read through my long review and reply, taking exception to my opinion that it was the best Trek premiere ever. Didnt watch it, but can disagree.

            At least there is no doubt about his being a troll or not.

    • Commander Kane

      Very worthy review, and I agree with a number of your points. Would have been nice also like you say, to have had cameos’ from Archer, I guess there is always time for that later.

  • TUP

    8.2 million viewers

    • I was looking at the negative “reviews” Om metacritic” those are sad trolls. I mean there are some constructive mixed reviews, but all the negative ones either 1: Call it bad FX, 2: Moan about two women being “out of their depth” and not believable as action stars or 3: Bash it because it does not look like TOS and claim a “canon” violation they never list. and likely can not list.

      This is rather sad

      • TUP

        Those people obviously didnt watch it.

        • I looked though them, so many 0’s and every one of them have a comment like that. Clearly they did not watch, they rant about stuff that was not even in the show.

          • TUP

            Up to almost 10 million viewers now and with the plus numbers, expected to be 15 million. Good numbers.

          • Yeah, people forget this is not viewed like a standard TV show. Its a streaming show

      • Pedro Ferreira

        So I guess they were right then?

      • TUP

        Funny when people come along to claim that is true. Bad FX? Wow. Obviously never watched it. And of course you will have the racists and the bigots and the men who hate women and all that. lol

        Once you discount the losers, the vast majority of people probably like the show. 😉

        • Yeah dude, the low reviews are all junk like that. Like this gem “Basically it went the gender inclusion route and messed up.”

          • TUP

            Yikes. yeah we’ve seen that here even. Where certain people of low morale and intelligence see a woman and immediate have vile thoughts or see a black person and immediately have vile thoughts. Very sad in 2017 and on a site about a franchise that stood for the opposite.

            I mean, heck, look at my review. Not a ringing endorsement. But I liked the show. Im optimistic.

            The only Trek premiere that comes close to the quality was DS9 and Discovery was still better.

          • I agree, I think it will be better

  • discsolo

    Wow. It’s as if the reviewer and I watched 2 different dramas and productions.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      The consensus seems to be that it’s not bad (if you like modern TV like GoT) but needs to improve.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        How about for somebody that prefers TV the way it was 30 years ago? Would they like it?

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Needs a balance.

      • discsolo

        Forget GoT, I was genuinely hoping DISCOVERY might be Star Trek equivalent of what remains television’s best drama, MAD MEN. Also I’ve discovered I’m rarely in the consensus when it comes to STAR TREK (for instance, I love J.J.Abrams’ work, particularly the truly great film, INTO DARKNESS). But I will definitely continue watching DISCOVERY particularly as the first two hours were a kinid of origin story and that the rest of the series is going off in different directions.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Glad to hear you will continue to watch. Hey, would you believe that Pedro, who is addressing you here, and posting like 20 times today on this review, hasn’t even watched it?

          • discsolo

            Really? Goddamn typical – – another reason why I may give up on taking part in/initiating dialogues, particularly on Trek sites.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Mad Men? That’s erm…good…

          • discsolo

            I’m talking quality and psychological and narrative complexity of MAD MEN’s order

  • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

    Yay Trek is now “edgy” with sucker punching in the bridge crew, to the captain of all people.

    This is what some people wanted Voyager to be like as well, yikes.

    • TUP

      Who wanted Voyager to be like that? I think people wanted some realism to the idea that two crews with completely divergent perspectives being forced together would have some growing pains.

      I like Chakotay and felt he as the one loyal to Janeway because he knew it was the best thing for his crew would have been an excellent “over-seer” struggling to keep his own people in order while managing the mistrust of the Star Fleet crew too.

      • Snap

        I think Voyager largely dropped the ball where the Starfleet and Maquis crew coexisting is concerned. as well as DS9 with how Kira was initially described as someone who would regularly “butt heads” with Sisko. The general premise for such forms of conflict didn’t persist much past the pilots or the first handful of episodes. There was Seska, (and Judas… eh, Jonas) of course, but she ultimately betrayed not only Starfleet but the Maquis as well.

        It wasn’t until Seven of Nine that that they had a character which would contradict the Starfleet trope, even after integrating int the crew. I think, in the end, the Starfleet and Maquis crews got along a little too well too quickly given the premise of the show.

    • FightingMongooses

      It would be a more probable scenario in Voyager’s first episode. Remember that Captain Georgiou and Commander Burnham have been working together for 7 years at this point. Riker would never attack Picard and try to commandeer the Enterprise in season 7 of TNG. (Or any other time for that matter)

    • The Science Fiction Oracle
  • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

    They even had lens flare when characters were sitting ha.

    I hope this doesn’t hurt the chances of a quality show that picks up a few years after Nemesis. The actors from other shows (Captain Harry Kim) could guest star as well.

    • Troll, if this fails trek on TV is dead. Not hurt, dead.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        Did Tom ask you to respond. Are you being salty as usual?

      • FightingMongooses

        TV Trek will never die permanently. I’m gonna give Discovery a chance but I’m kinda hoping it ends up being made by Netflix, Amazon Prime, or similar eventually. CBS seems to be have thrown Kelvin Trek and Game of Thrones into a blender and is hoping for a masterpiece. Not a recipe I’m interested in but here’s hoping it turns out good.

    • TUP

      How can anyone be critical of Discovery while openly hoping there is a show with harry Kim. Good Lord.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      “Captain Harry Kim”

      LMFAO^2

  • Perplexum

    I have mixed feelings. The episode didn’t really flow and the new Klingons felt too passionless and stiff. What would T’Kuvma have done when they didn’t have encountered Starfleet? Would the houses still unite so quickly? That was pretty random and without a proper build up. They all agreed so readily to call him “the Unforgettable” (except for Kol) that I wonder why they didn’t try it sooner if it’s that easy.

    The life long sentence for Burnham was strange too, she didn’t murder anyone, she just tried to take over the ship.

    • SpaceCadet

      A life sentence doesn’t seem strange to me. Look at real life military court martials for reference – she attacked her commanding officer, and then lied to her subordinates as she tried to take command of the ship. Those are serious offenses!

      • TUP

        Yea, life sentence makes sense. Although I’d like to see the evidence against her considering no one but her is alive to say what happened in the ready room.

        Keep in mind Star Fleet still has a death penalty in TOS time…

        • SpaceCadet

          I think based on the fact that Georgiou came onto the bridge with a phaser pointed at Burnham is pretty strong circumstantial evidence. And maybe the captain had a second to make a captain’s log noting the offenses. But perhaps most importantly, Burnham has too much honor to lie about what transpired.

          • TUP

            True. Perhaps everything in her ready room is recorded as well.

          • TUP

            Perhaps opening on her Court Martial would have been a better plan…a framing technique. Cut the Klingon stuff completely (save it for a later episode). Frame it like a tense courtroom drama.

          • TUP

            I loved when she came on the bridge with a phaser pointed at Michael, that Saru was slowly and subtly sinking away from her…!

          • SpaceCadet

            I noticed that too! That was great! I also loved the interaction they had at their very first meeting shown in the flashback where Burnham comes onto the bridge and she and Saru exchange looks. She’s surpressing shock and he looks flustered. It was too cute! Can’t wait to see them both working together again and perhaps now the dynamic is in reverse because he outranks her.

    • FightingMongooses

      Punishments were a bit extreme in TOS as well. In “The Menagerie” violating General Order 7 (visiting the planet Talos IV) warranted the death penalty.

  • CAPTAIN D-MAN

    I think I’m gonna like Misha.
    I think I’m gonna like Saru too. He reminds me of Kryten.

  • SpaceCadet

    I felt it lived up to the hype – Star Trek is back! The level of production design and quality is astounding. Every dollar shows up on screen and you feel like you’re watching a motion picture. Acting was uniformly excellent and the characters of Burnham, Saru, Georgiou, T’Kuvma, and Voq made definite impressions. Frain is also doing a good take on Sarek. I think everyone already loves Saru, how can you not?! And I hope the lovely Michelle Yeoh comes back in flashbacks. I think there is a good chance of that because of the emphasis we’ve seen so far on jumping around in the timeline. And even though we barely got to know Ensign Danby, his death was no less sad for me because it’s always tragic to see someone so young lose their life especially as you see that he signed up for a career in exploration, not to be involved in armed conflict. While I will miss stand-alone episodes that are adventures of the week before warping off to somewhere new, that’s also been done to death and Star Trek does need to do something like serialization so that it’s not just the same old same old. And while I am really Klingon-ed out after they’ve been featured so much in the past (especially on DS9), I get that they are a recognizable adversary and are therefore easy for the recognition of the casual Trek fan and get them to tune in (and sign-up). And I’d prefer an arc that has to do with exploring and a scientific “discovery” (ha!) but it looks like at least this story will be a good catalyst for interesting character growth. That’s what I find most exciting and promising about this latest iteration of Star Trek, the characters, and I’m looking forward to meeting them all and watching them grow along this journey.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      I heard also that Gene Roddenberry is an SJW so I’ve got to believe whatever rubbish that person says (wink).

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        What does that have to do with SpaceCadet’s post above? Are you disoriented?

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Apparently he knows what he’s talking about (sarcasm intended).

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Again, what are you taking about in your response to SpaceCadet with that post of yours? He said nothing about politics or Gene R?

            This is obvious, blatent troll baiting, while not event trying to pretend that you are replying to SpaceCadet’s post? Shame on you!

            PS: Sorry, but I had to report this to Trekcore.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            And I’m reporting your post for harassment!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            LOL. Just tone down all the trolling. And for heaven’s sake, if you must go negative with like 40 posts here on this article which is a REVIEW of the series, at least have the intellectual courtesy to watch the episode before trolling over everyone who liked it. That is just wrong!

          • mr joyce

            i actually backed this guy the other day on another forum, shame to see how hes behaving on this one

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            It’s funny, because he can be reasonable and interesting to converse with at times. This inexplicable trolling behavior by him since yesterday though is just deplorable — the audacity to tell us all, “I told you so that DSC sucks” while telling us he hasn’t even watched it…that borders on sociopathic behavior. Who does that?

            But, yes, I do think “he’s better than that.” I’d be fine with the dude if he watched it, apologized for the trolling yesterday, and then presented his review, and intelligently say what he didn’t like about it.

          • mr joyce

            Never gonna happen. Would be good though

  • Pedro Ferreira

    As I live outside of the UK all I’m privy to is the reviews. So far what I’ve heard about the show hasn’t impressed me. At one point the main character Michael does a Vulcan nerve pinch (?) on the captain and then performs a mutiny? The fairly good reviews I’ve seen still point to the problem that characters will say something and then do the exact opposite. Is that good writing? I don’t need to prejudge something to say with absolute certainty no.

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      Yes that happens, she sucker punches the captain as well.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        Oh dear God. Yes it sounds like an amazing show.

      • Snap

        I may have missed something, but the “sucker punch” in question was she momentarily incapacitated Georgiou with a Vulcan nerve pinch and not a Kirk-like right hook to the jaw. It’s still not something you would expect to see in a Star Trek series, but the criticism should be accurately reported rather than twisted to sound worse than it actually was.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Twisted lie….just shameful trolling here.

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      Ha they deleted my comment

  • Tod Abbott

    I liked it a lot and am looking forward to what happens when Burnham gets to the Discovery.

    I did think there was too much Klingon language in the episodes. The rough, halting diction may have been intentional or may have been a consequence of actors trying to speak a foreign language through makeup and fake teeth, but it was certainly annoying and slowed the pace of the episodes way down. They could have made a gesture to the language (like in ST VI), and then shifted to English for the lengthy stretches of Klingon dialogue. One of the people I saw the episode with commented that it was shame we had to read the subtitles rather than being able to enjoy the intricate design of the Klingon ship and Klingons themselves.

    • TUP

      I tend to agree. I respect the effort. But its something that isnt needed. If I recall, in TUC, they flipped back to Klingon a couple of times for dramatic effect (Im thinking the daughter was speaking to advisers about her father in Klingon and Chang interjected but spoke English for us….because what he said was important to hear dramatically and not read).

    • Perplexum

      Star Trek VI did it better, they spoke it much more nuanced and fluedly, I’m thinking of the scene where Azetbur is speaking to her generals after her fathers assassination. The Klingons in Discovery always speak very slow, as if they constantly try to give an encouraging speach with a tennis ball between their teeth.

  • James

    Blown away, this was excellent. First rate production values, fun and involving storyline with unpredictable twists. Even the cheesy opening vignette was pure Star Trek.

    Looks like 15 million viewers, positive reviews and record numbers of CBSAA sign ups. Star Trek Lives.

    I still think that STD bears a striking resemblance to the JJ timeline and that they would have more creative freedom had they set the series there. Linking it to the excellent new movies might also have cross-pollinated interest.

    On a separate note, I’ve figured out that if you click the little down arrow (top right), then you can block some of the deranged posters on this site.

  • James

    Wow. I’ve just started rewatching the pilot on Netflix (its that good) and you can have Klingon subtitles if you want. Lol.

  • bytes

    A friend points out… “A species who’s sole biological function is to sense impending death? Uh, that’s all species, humanoid or not. That’s how species survive over other species!”

    • From what we know thsy are breed to be prey. They have the ablity to sense danger, IE impending death.

      • Keith Melton

        So like the Tosk from s1 DS9. I am down with that.

        • Something like that. From what little we gathered it may have been a natural evolution. Kinda like insects have different casts. He spoke something about his world ecosystem was not like earths,

          • Keith Melton

            Also, new here as I have been looking for a new home for discussions and the such. Reading through this and some other threads I must say thank you for being a reasoned and even keeled discussion maker. So much hate and vitriol out there it is nice to see someone be able to communicate nicely.

          • Thank ya. I try. I don’t bash someone for disliking it, but will engage them on claims like “Its kelvin” or “canon violation”. If you make a claim like that, you should be able to explain how so. Had a guy tell me it looked good but he disliked the story, well that is fair, I dislike all kinds of stories so its all good.

          • Keith Melton

            I personally have some issues with some design points (would it be so hard to have some physical buttons again? touchscreens are not the end all be all perfect thing) and the uniforms are just ugly to me (but I admit that is purely subjective)
            I could care less about the Klingon difference (until at least they give us a reason one way or another why) but all in all this is proper TREK and nothing less. Bring on more.

          • The bridge does have buttons. They have lots of tocuh screens but also have switches and buttons. They are very visible on the much newer Discovery and you can see them if you look on the Shenzhou, and what looks to be a joy stick as well.

          • Keith Melton

            Oh I saw those, just not enough for me. 🙂 I WANT BUTTONS EVERY WHERE.

          • That is not gonna happen lol. The walker, If I guess is late 22nd century design. She uses phase canons and an outdated transporter. That and she screams “NX-based design”. She is as primitive as you are gonna get. The Constitution( whenever we see her redesign, if we see it) is 10 years old at this point, ok 12 and newer than the Walker class.At best she is older than the Crossfeild( the discovery) and in that case her bridge button level will lay between the two.

          • Keith Melton

            Im hoping the Discovery has more to bridge the tech better between this and TOS. I’m not asking for jelly beans, just have it make sense.

          • I think you have what you are gonna get. TOS looks old, because it is, its full of outdated 1960’s tech. So they used the idea and updated them, which is why you still have switches and buttons and not the full on runs everything from A single station, touch screen interfaces of TNG.

            I do think they will change colors as times goes on, as they have talked about that. After the Cage the enterprise got a refit into what you saw in TOS, so sometime after this timeframe. I hope they do not go full on gods awful TOS colors, but some of those added as an accent could really look nice.

          • Keith Melton

            Its both a design and functional thing for me. Disregarding continuity its more of “i’m in the heat of a situation I need to be able to keep an eye on something and tweak a control” thing. If I have to look away to my control pad to see what I am touching, I have lost serious time that could cause problems/damage/death.

          • I agree, recall Paris on VoY complaining about lack of switches and such? After a while TNG I am assuming its like typing, some folks don’t look at the keys but just know. And as TNG level you can set your interface as you like.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      You weren’t paying attention. That function in greatly enhanced in herd animals who are prey.

  • kadajawi

    Yikes. I don’t even know where to begin. The Klingon makeup change was entirely unnecessary, and I think they look worse than before, plus because of the thick masks most of the acting doesn’t come true. Remember on late night shows where they would put eye and ears of some actor over the face of someone else, blend them and only the eyes and mouth would move? That’s what we have here. There was some actual acting going on in the previous incarnations, while the new Klingons are stiff as hell. I didn’t feel anything with these Klingons. And there’s no aggression in the voices, they sound more like early line readings… actors trying to say some words they’ve only learned the pronunciation of, without putting any emotions behind it.

    The phasers are now disruptors in anything but looks.

    The space battle looks… well, boring? It looks and sounds like kids going pew pew pew. I’m sorry, but I prefer the slow phaser firing seen on previous shows to this rapid fire that belongs to small ships like shuttles and dogfights.

    The plot didn’t interest me much, and characters were just outright stupid. It’s not like the Federation has no experience with the Klingons at this time. And why didn’t Burnham tell Michelle Yeohs character why she thinks attacking is the right thing to do? Like… at least try?

    Now I will give the next episode another chance, because Star Trek has always struggled with the early episodes, but so far I’m very disappointed, even leaving the “it’s not Star Trek” stuff behind I don’t think I would have liked what I have seen so far. This is way, way worse than Iron Fist.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Your the dude who proclaimed TNG had more fans than TOS, and insisted that “the look” of the shows were canon.

      No offense dude, but that lost you any further credibility here in my book.

      Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

      • kadajawi

        57000 votes for TOS on IMDb, 73000 votes for TNG. And unless you grew up with TOS, chances are you grew up with TNG. There are a lot of us TNG fans out there. The TOS characters are more iconic, the NCC-1701 is more recognizable to the general public, but I know enough people who don’t care about TOS, but do care about TNG. People in their 30s. Star Trek was incredibly popular in the 80s and 90s, unlike back in the 60s.

        And of course looks matters. But even ignoring that, I don’t think it was a strong outing.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          IMDB? That’s all you got? LOL

          TOS is a wordwide, cultural touchstone and iconic show in the history of television. TNG is not iconic, and is already starting to fade from pop-culture memory. Added to that, 99% of people under 25 have never heard of TNG, yet most are aware of TOS….fact!

          Also, TNG fandom was not large enough to support a movie franchise…TOS fandom supported 15 years of movies…fact

          You can compare an iconic TV show to a respectable off-shoot version. For example, you don’t compare M.A.S.H. to Trapper John, MD — that’s ludicrous. LOL

          • To be fair, more people do watch post TOS shows. However, TOS as 50 years old has entered pop culture.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            My understanding is that TOS Blu-Ray sets have reached several million sets sold worldwide, while TNG Blu-Ray sets are stuck at a couple hundred thousand. This runs counter to your opinion.

          • People watch it heavily online. Blue ray sells are not an indicatoon of how often it is watched

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Conjecture is fun, but do you have any actual stats or numbers to back that up?

          • Nope, nor do you. You have sales, but you don’t know if anyone is watching them. I mean I own boxed sets I have not touched in a decade man.

          • TUP

            Netflix released their “most watched” stats and I think it was all TNG and Voyager mostly.

            Which makes sense really. TNG got the HD treatment. Netflix as a streaming service probably has a higher percentage of fans who would have been kids during the TNG era.

            But if you stand on a street corner and ask 1000 people to tell you about Star Trek, one would suspect “Kirk” and “Spock” would be among the most mentioned things.

            There is a reason Paramount and Bad Robot wanted to go back to the TOS era…

            And really, even CBS with Discovery. If there was information that showed the TNG era was vastly more popular than TOS, most studio’s would not ignore that.

  • Kirksdeadjim

    Just finished watching the first two episodes and i really enjoyed it! I loved how unpredictable it was and i did not expect to see the series begin with the main character being found guilty of mutiny ( Of a Captain that she admired as a mentor no less! ).Was also surprised that we havnt seen Jason Isaacs character yet and that what we thought was going to be the main villain was killed off so early! Cant wait for the next episodes! Welcome back Star Trek!

  • Shadowknight1

    So, I have to say. It’s interesting that the Shenzhou had both phase cannons AND phasers. Similar to the Kelvin, now that I think about it, though the Shenzhou also carried photon torpedoes.

    • We know she is old, many of us Guess, like the Kelvin she is a 22nd century design. She sure looks awful close to the NX in design.

  • Lee

    I really enjoyed the show, I think it’s a reflection of where television is currently and this is new Star Trek for today’s age.

    That said I’m utterly confused as to why it being it’s own canon would be a problem for anyone. I personally think it has moved away from some established canon which is magnified by the fact that the Enterprise under Pike is currently out there in the same universe. Someone over on Reddit suggested that it’s kind of like Batman 89 and Batman Forever. They share DNA but they’re not strictly canon aligned. Then there is The Dark Knight trilogy, all the Batman themes are there it’s just a new take on the material but neither of them are lessor Batman properties (maybe Batman and Robin, but come on, there are universal truths) .

    Personally I don’t see this as the same Sarek that we know from TOS and augment virus is being ignored… probably, maybe it’ll come back somehow. It would be odd that all the Klingons here look like this and then all the Klingons James Kirk encounters have suffered at the augment virus. Odd, certainly but then it’s a big universe.

    I just think they’ve made it harder for themselves by saying that this is in the Prime Universe because it has to grapple with all that comes with that.

    I do think all this talk about it’s not Star Trek is rubbish. Of course it’s Star Trek it’s just different and new. Not liking it is one thing, going out of one’s way to be a dick about it and attempt to stop others enjoying it is really small.

    I’m excited to watch Discovery as its own thing.

  • Matt

    Can’t stand the main character. Hopefully they’ll off her as part of the explanation of why we’ve never heard of her. And a she named Michael?
    I was expecting the Klingons to finally be truly capable and intimidating adversaries. Buuuuuut no. Two human women held their own with them for way too long.

    • I do not think you are supposed to like her. I think we are gonna see a redemption arch. There is an easy reason you never heard of her, Spoke does not talk about anyone. I mean he didn’t tell anyone who his parents where until they were right freaking there. Or about his brother who was right there, until ordered to shoot him.

      I mean this dude never talked about ANYONE. Also she was disgraced, mutinied and was sent away for life. How do you segway that into normal convo?

      As for the Michael. Why not, women have been taking male names for ages. Terry Beverley, Kelly, Shannon, Taylor and so on.

      • Snap

        I think, it could be a matter of deduction irrespective of whether Spock chose to speak of her or not. Of course, there are holes in the logic because of what you just mentioned, but one would think basic personal information entered into personnel records would include “Sarek of Vulcan” *or however Vulcans are formally addressed) in not only Spock’s parental information, but Burnham’s own file?

        The hole in that logic, of course, is that as captain of the ship, Kirk would (should) have had access to personnel files and have known who Spock’s parents were.It also begs the question of why neither Sarek nor Amanda were present at Spock’s pon-farr.

        The wording is also important as Sarek never identified Burnham as his daughter, adopted or otherwise, referring to her as his “ward.” Dick Grayson was Bruce Wayne’s ward, but that didn’t make Dick the “son” of Bruce Wayne. Granted, I know very little of the lore of Batman so there may be material which proves me wrong.

        • Well we know Sarek is a bit of a dick, even by Vulcan standards.

      • Matt

        Well if their intention was to make her un likeable, mission accomplished.
        I’m sure her redemption arc will involve some ridiculous promotion a la Kirk going from cadet to captain in those terrible reboot movies. Convict to first officer.

        • I do not think so. We have seen her in three outfits. A gold, which I am guessing is prisoner gear. A rankless blue jumper and a science silver. I think her days of command are done, at lest for now. whatever unit she gets sucked into( section 31 maybe) may give her rank later, but she not in command gold.

          • Matt

            Hope not. We’ll see I guess.
            They can hopefully cool it with the superhuman strength and fighting ability too. Or maybe the Klingons are just panty waists in this time also

          • We know, One was a war hero, and she died at the hands of the klingons. The other got more lucky than anything or maybe the albino just is not a good fighter. Ya can’t blame the guy who got shot in the back after he killed his target .

          • Matt

            I’m saying if the Klingons are as deadly as claimed it would be a 10 second fight max.strength difference between a man and a woman is vast. Between a woman and a Klingon? It’s a show and needed drama but my suspension of belief only goes so far

          • Can’t really disagree. Trek has rarely played that up.

    • TUP

      How can a woman be named Michael? It’s unheard of…oh wait. Never mind.

      • Matt

        Yea hopefully she won’t turn out to be a tranny.

        • SpaceCadet

          Congratulations! You’re both sexist and transphobic. Very classy. Michelle Yeoh (a woman) would most certainly wipe the floor with you. Lastly, you’ve been flagged. See ya!

          • Matt

            Right lol because girl power. Of course I don’t like trannies. I generally don’t care for the mentally ill. I haven’t been to a circus sideshow…..just sounds grotesque

          • TUP

            You’re remarks say a lot about you. You think you’re being clever but you’re really just a coward with serious issues. Please seek help.

          • Matt

            You must like trannies huh?

          • TUP

            You should be banned and that idiot Tom should be banned for liking your posts. What disgusting behavior from both of you.

          • Keith Melton

            Agreed. Such disgusting racism has no place anywhere but doubly so in a Star Trek discussion. Flagged and blocked Matt is.

          • mr joyce

            he likes every post from most of these clowns

          • Likewise, there is no place for that nonsense.

        • TUP

          Someone doesn’t want to post here I guess. Gross jerk.

          • Matt

            Space tranny

          • TUP

            Easy to be a loser on the internet. Very cowardly. Cya!

          • Matt

            Are you a space gay?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yep, he’s toast now! You tried to warn him!

        • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

          Yes why is she named Michael?

          • Matt

            It’s their little attempt to jump on the mentally ill homo/tranny/degenerate band wagon

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Very blatant.

          • mr joyce

            and you know this because youve seen it?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            LOL — who are you talking to now?

          • TUP

            Are you really going to engage in discussion with a person like that?

            What is your name? Can we deduce that your name is that because your parents chose it? We can make the assumption that Michael is her name because that is what her parents chose to name her.

            A woman named Michael is not unheard of. geez.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Your buddy got bumped from the site. 🙁 So sad!

    • The Science Fiction Oracle
      • Good recall. People forget how many names are used by both genders. I have a list of Male names that became female or unisex and a smaller one somewhere of female names that became male.

        I am a guy named Shannon, I pay attention to such things lol

  • I was pleasantly surprised. Why the Klingons have to look SO different is a mystery to me. Do they need the long fingernails and elongated skulls? But, I’m going to get over it. I already am halfway over it.

    I really like Saru. I wasn’t sure if I would. He was pretty great. And that T’Kuvma and Georgiou got killed was a huge surprise. I can’t wait to meet captain Lorca and the rest of the crew, plus the Discovery herself. I just hope enough other people like the show that it doesn’t get canned after season 1 or 2.

    • 1: The klingons they just wanted to. They are Likely closer to what GR wanted anyhow. If you don’t like that is cool, but Trek has redesigned them like 7 times

      2: Yeah, I did not think I would like Saru as much as I did.

      3: Totally did not see T’Kuvma coming at all, not even a little.

  • Daniel Martinez

    Not sure if anyone else discussed this, but was anyone really disappointed that the tradition of having a cameo from a previous Trek iteration in the series premiere ended here? I kept thinking that one of the admirals from the court martial would end up being someone we knew (like Archer, as rumored).

    • Not really, I never cared about it one way or the other. Not alot of people that could be alive 100 years later, Archer would be what 140 or 150?

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      Sarek? Even though he was nothing like Sarek from
      Before

      • mr joyce

        except his inclusion is not a cameo, hes going to be a series regular

    • TUP

      Yeah it would have been nice but only if it was good and interesting. Not a big deal either way. But archer was rumoured.

      Speaking of which, wasn’t there someone posting here who claimed to have all the inside info and now appears was completely wrong about a great many things (unless I’m remembering wrong)? Lol

  • The Disco Plumber

    I didn’t like it. But I think it’s because I’m too hung up on details that contradict other Trek.
    1. Why are the Klingon ships so massive?
    2. How did they get a transporter lock on a dead Klingon body?
    3. Realtime communications on the edge of Federation space
    4. How did the Federation ships get there so fast? How did the Klingon ships get there instantly?
    5. The cloaking device bothered me. It seemed like someone wrote the ramming scene, and then afterward, someone pointed out that the Klingons didn’t have cloaking back then. So they had to stick that line in there about the Klingon Commander inventing a stealth field.
    6. Holograms?
    7. The Klingon Commander agrees to a cease fire, then rams the Admiral’s ship while cloaked? Not very honorable.
    8. Why would Sarek send his protege to Star Fleet. He doesn’t like Star Fleet.
    9. Vulcan’s can astral project? Why didn’t Spock ever contact Kirk like that? They could have used that in a few adventures.

    I think I would have enjoyed it more if they just set it after Voyager. And made a new race instead of using Klingons.

    • 1: The Klingon have been in space since the 14th century. Even the Vulcan in the 22nd century have ships that reached near a Km. We see a single relic ship that is over large, the rest fall in normal ranges

      2: It was in space, with no interference. Trek does this kinda thing often. It was only area’s near the beacon that were blocked.

      3: With subspace relays, yes. We have no idea how small that got in this era, but by TNG all ships had them.

      4: Near by in both cases. This was a boarder section, You saw ships that were close, the Klingons once singled jumped in.

      5: Cloaks were around in this era, klingons did not have them, notice only a single ship had them and the other Klingons did not really believe it. This hints to the known Romulan/Klingon exchange. I think we just saw who brokered that deal

      6: Its 2017, people expect holograms by 2256. I mean really, do you think we will have them before 2256?

      7: Klingons have always been iffy on what is and is not honorable. The TOS style ones would do stuff like this in a heartbeat. Some of the Movie era ones as well. It is only TNG onward that we see the whole “Honor” thing becoming so rigid. And even them, attacking from cloak is acceptable.

      8: He does not like it in 2266. Why?, I think we are seeing why.

      9: The Katra man, They use that stuff for plot all the time. He basically has part of his soul in her body, this is not normal, but has been used in non-canon fiction often. Why do you think Bones distrusted it? Most people do. And if you recall he said it had a physical cost. Recall his mental illness?

      • TUP

        Regarding Sarek, Im not sure I love the idea of him appearing to Michael but at least they indicated it was under very specific circumstances (his mind meld with her on the verge of her death) and that it took a nasty toll on him to do it.

        And I also wondered if that toll contributed to his eventual mental decline…

        • I am thinking it did, as on the show it was noted as very uncommon. And it is in line with other oddball things vulcans have done( or screwed up) with a mind meld. They still really do not understand humans, much less how a human childs mind might react.

          Ya know, the meld may also have something to do with his human fetish 😀

          • TUP

            Thats an interesting point. if they want to delve into Sarek and do it honestly and interestingly, they could.

            He does seem like a guy with some oddball traits. Like you said, a fetish maybe?

            He seemed to be extra hard on Spock for being half human, was irate that he went to “human” Star Fleet. And yet, chose to work with humans his whole life, married at least two humans, adopted a human.

            Very strange. It was almost not til his old age where he sort of admitted “yeah, I dig those earthlings”

          • Notice he does not hate starfleet, yet. But ten years can change a man. He was someone he though have a lot of potential throw it away, saw a war and what he may feel was a mishandling of it. I agree we could see him becoming what he was, a real look at what drove him.

    • Keith Melton

      “1. Why are the Klingon ships so massive?”
      A theory I like is that we are seeing now nothing but left over Herq technology and this fleet will get massively destroyed in the Federation war leading to the D4/D7 and on familiar ships we become familiar with 10 years down the line.

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  • Detlef Kurtz

    It was the first ST-Series, where i had the finger of the “Stop”. It has – so far – nothing to do with Star Trek. Its way to dark, the characters doesnt make much sence and the Music is also not good enough to get remembered. First they let us know, that No 1 and Cpt are the biggest Friends, and later they dont trust each others judgement…stupid script…. // ST is about HOPE not WAR….but other then that….good acting, good Special Effects…speeking of which: When you (Producers) make a Show with SFX, who are better then all others, then please put the Show in the Future of ST not in the Past…….

    • TUP

      Its hard to seriously reviews that chirp about the visuals. We have to get over that. The SFX are great…that does not mean every set looks like it takes place 100 years past Nem. They dont.

      As for #1 and Captain…being close and friendly doesnt mean the Captain always does what her first officer says.

      One interesting episode of TNG was Cause & Effect (I believe) where the Enterprise is about to be hit by another ship and Picard asks for suggestions. Data gives one, Riker gives another. Picard goes with Data’s suggestion…and the ship is destroyed. Im sure it wasnt that Picard didnt trust his first officer’s judgement.

  • Neill Stringer

    I have finally watched the first two episodes of Star trek: Discovery. This is what I thought. To be perfectly honest this is so different from the Trek that I grew up loving that it is hard for me to be completely enamoured as I have been with all the other shows.

    However, there is promise and I am happy to watch more and see how the story develops.
    The characters and the story seem promising. I think Saru will be a great character, serving the Spock/Data/Odo/Seven/Phlox outside observer of humanity function. The story arc although very heavily war themed rather than the more optimistic vision that Roddenberry envisioned seems to have characters who remind us that Starfleet does not shoot first.

    The look of the Klingons I thought was only limited to this ancient race of Klingons so I thought I would see the traditional and smooth headed Klingons mixed in when they were in contact with the Empire. Was happy to see Kahless get mentioned.

    The sets and looks have a very Kelvin timeline look which I guess is a given in this era of production. Though I think they have made the 23rd Century seem too advanced and was not keen on them using movable holographic images for communication when they use viewscreens in the 23rd and 24th Century previously.

    Holographic communication was experimental in DS9 so it shouldn’t even be the tech here.

    Getting past the aesthetics and the ideals of Trek is the best way to enjoy this show. Though like the Xindi arc of Enterprise I am hopeful that the ideals of peace will win over.

  • Neill Stringer

    The series has promise but it is likely to be my least fav Star Trek show.

  • M33

    Ok Guys.

    Great show.
    Beautiful visuals.
    Well acted.
    Compelling story.
    Will definitely be watching.

    However… too many canon conflicts (and I’m not talking the visual look) to be Prime universe.
    It is not Kelvin.
    It is definitely Alternate Prime, despite what the producers/writers say.

    TOS made clear that there had never been a mutiny on a starship before their time, twice so. And yet, it is public knowledge that Burnham mutinied and was tried in a Starfleet court.
    BIG error.

    Holigraphic communication technology via subspace was not around until DS9s time, as they clearly stated it was an experimental tech, and yet is commonplace 10 years before TOS?
    BIG error

    Burnham wants to know how the Sarek reached treaty with Klingons, and yet Vulcan is a member of the Federation, meaning any past treaty that this member world had with the Klingons would also be applied to the Federation (see Hawaii’s treaties being absorbed by the US after annexation).
    BIG error.

    Otherwise, good

    • TUP

      It is Prime.

      She asked how the Vulcan’s handled the Klingons so as not to have open conflict with them. Did she say “treaty”? I did not recall it like that.

      • M33

        I may be wrong on the treaty part. It was very late when I watched it.
        My other points are still valid.

    • 1: The mutiny thing, it was not crew wide, it was a single person.
      2: The Hologram, its 2017, people expect them in 2256 and it was not as good
      3: They never said treaty, they said communication. Vulcans talked with Klingons back in ENT, they had lines of communications, if not a treaty

      • M33

        I may be wrong on the treaty part. It was very late when I watched it.
        My other points are still valid.
        See: Deadly Years & Turnabout Intruder re: mutiny being not the whole ship, but an individual.

        • Spock stated no STARSHIP mutinies. As in the whole ship over throwing its captain or starfleet. This does not mean a person can never mutiny just that in canon in 2266 no starship had.

          • M33

            From memory alpha:

            “While these events seem to contradict Spock and Chekov’s claim that there have been no starship mutinies in Starfleet history (“The Tholian Web”), it is possible they were referring only to successful mutinies, not attempted mutinies. Burnham was unable to fire her torpedoes and, while her targeting the enemy vessel was provocative, she enjoyed no support from the crew and was placed under arrest before she could do any real harm.”

            POSSIBLY.
            Being public CHARGED with mutiny would disregard what Chekov and Spock stated.
            It is a stretch. But then again ENT screwed up the canon of Klingon first contact timing established by TNG.
            Ah well.

            Maybe I should just take the MST3k approach to Trek.

          • The think is, even a loophole is a loophole. It did not contradict, so its fine. You can bet they looked at that and found that loophole as they talked about doing just that kinda thing, they used memory Alpha as a resource.

            She was convicted of mutiny, but hers did fail

          • M33

            Yeah, stretch…
            but not the first time for Trek.
            Bend, but not break, right?

          • Trek has no issue breaking, ignoring or reworking its canon lol. Really its only the ENT era and later they have really tracked canon as we now do, mostly because fans have spent the time to make these fantastic resource sites.

            I mean could you image keeping track of trek lore with printed books alone? Notes and sticky notes and recalled stuff from x episode you had to go back and watch to make sure you recalled it right?

          • M33

            The print works however have never been considered canon.

            But yeah… what a feat.
            I am always impressed by what the Okudas have done.

          • True, I would love to see his designs modernized. I think of them when I think trek

          • M33

            Quintessentially Trek.

          • It became that, mostly as it was used so much. So many panels and such got reused and it just IS star trek.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well Berman “wrote-over” canon to create the NX-01, when Roddenberry had already established the first Startfeet Enterprise was the XV-330 in TMP.

            This mutiny thing seems trivial comparing to that “canon earthquake” that Berman created.

          • M33

            Enterprise wrecked a lot, which is why fans were furious.

      • M33

        I thought she was speaking about Sareks involvement directly.

        • In the “Vulcan hello” conflict? No, she asked how the Vulcan got them to talk to them. If you recall in ENT they had a dialog, maybe not full on diplomatic relations, but they would deal with the Vulcans or at lest talk to them without shooting first.

      • Keith Melton

        I am much more accepting of a ret-con with holo-communication tech than I am with the ridiculous “cross galaxy beaming” crap from the JJ film.

        • Heh that was just bad script lol. Pretty, but bad script.

  • Paul Walker

    Klingons… Look terrible. Action sequnces and tech too busy and advanced for this period in the prime timeline. 3rd best actor portraying Spock’s dad. Openning credits sequence, awful. Show doesn’t respect canon. Guess real Trek is still dead unfortunately, now and probably forever. Makes us real Trekkies have to really appreciate Enterprise and Nemesis.

    • Please list canon violations? The only one that may do it is the hologram, nothing else breaks or even comes close to breaking it.

      • Paul Walker

        1. Production design
        2. Klingon design
        3. Sarek
        4. Trek history, why was that battle never referenced in TOS?
        Etc.

        • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

          Just a heads up, this guy trolls a lot.

          • The troll calling me a troll is funny. I can defend my points and actually know ST canon.

          • DC Forever

            Love it when “one-liner Tom” complains of trolling.

            That’s like a crack whore complaining about the neighbors weed smell.

          • I saw a post the other day on a social media site about a girl calling others “Sl uts” and right before she posted some super racy mages showing off her cleavage and with her very best sex pot look. I just had to eye roll.

          • TUP

            You’re taking the side of a guy with a Nazi in his avatar. Which makes sense as you did the same for a guy who was expressing bigoted views earlier. Makes me wonder about you…

          • DC Forever

            Yea, how precious is that. He’s agreeing with a Nazi, apparently.

          • DC Forever

            I like it when you talk in 3rd person.

          • mr joyce

            pot, kettle, black

          • Paul Walker

            No I don’t! Please let me have my say of opinion like everyone else.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Apologies , I was referring to Shannon who I’ve seen troll people a lot

          • The Science Fiction Oracle
          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Of course you can have your say. Don’t let “Tom Cruise” bully you out of here.

            Now he’s trolling on Shannon as well.

          • Paul Walker

            Oh ok, I am new here. I will change my Avatar too. I meant no offense. Are you guys all on other Trek sites?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Paul, if you read my earlier post again (I was still revising it when you responded), you will see where I said:

            “OK, I will personally accept that and I may even look up that movie and add it to my collection — thanks!”

        • 1: This is not a canon violation This is a modern 2017 production
          2: Also not a canon violation. Klingons have been redesigned no less than 7 times
          3: Explain how.
          4: Not a canon violation as it was blank. Unless TOS or another show outright stated no battle happened( and TNG takes of open conflict with the Klingons) its not a violation or retcon

          • Paul Walker

            Ok I will be optimistic like you. I want to like it because I love Star Trek. Captain Lorca shows promise, and all the actors did fairly well besides Sarek’s.

          • You are not countering. I get if you do not like the look, that is fine, but you have known for well over a year it was going to look modern. If you call something a canon violation you should be able to back it up, but looks are not canon. Trek fans think they are, but they are not. Canon are events that play out, not what the starship or that weeks Deus ex Machina looked like.

          • Paul Walker

            I guess I should have been more accurate. I suppose that there are no technical canon violations. Sorry about that.

          • Trek fans tend to think not looking dated is a canon violation. Its this odd trekkie thing, rather fascinating and built on over the years. But canon is just the events themselves.

            If you dislike the look, that is totally fair. Looks are subjective. You like something or you dislike it. Sometimes it grows on ya. That is just the way it is. If you can’t get past it not looking like an old TV show, well its not the show for you. Its all good.

          • Paul Walker

            You make a great point about it being an odd Trekkie thing. I mean, it reminds of the TNG episode when Scotty goes on the holodeck with Picard to see the old bridge of the original Enterprise. They never comment on how extremely different the “look” of the two are even though granted there is about a 100 years between the two shows.

          • Relics shows the wrong ship really. That was the refit enterprise( Kirks ship) not what he asked for. He gave the ship number, so He should have gotten the out of the shipyard version( Pikes it seems) or the rebuild as they both have the same number. It should not have shown the TOS ship unless he gave a set year for it.

            But yeah, they played it straight. No one mentioned the odd colors or clear 1960’s designs. It was really a homage to the actor himself.

          • Paul Walker

            What is your favourite Star Trek show, episode or movie?

          • Hands down “In a pale Moon light” from DS9.

          • Paul Walker

            Relics, that’s what it is called.

        • TUP

          Point 4 is the dumbest thing ever. Has every ship, every battle, every character, every alien been referenced in Star Trek?

          Also, are you a Nazi?

          • Paul Walker

            You make an excellent point. I guess I should not expect a major battle that kicked off the Klingon – Federation cold war to EVER be referenced when Kirk, Spock and crew speak to or about Klings in the films and episodes.

          • TUP

            When did it come up? When did it make sense that they’d specifically say Burnham?

            How many things happened in TOs that were never referenced in later episodes?

            James Kirk, legendary Captain, barely mentioned ever in the otjrt series.

          • Paul Walker

            Okay but will this show really be in the Prime time line?

          • TUP

            It is prime.

          • Paul Walker

            No, this is Marlon Brando in the Young Lions 1958.

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      Well said, hopefully this doesn’t hurt the chances for a quality show set a few years after Nemesis.

      That would be easy to do and they could even have characters known to the audience guest star (Captain Harry Kim, Picard as president of the Federation, and so forth)

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      You avatar certainly looks like an SS Officer — a NAZI? Seriously?

      • Paul Walker

        The Young Lions is a 1958 American CinemaScope war drama film directed by Edward Dmytryk, based upon the 1948 novel of the same name by Irwin Shaw, and starring Marlon Brando, Montgomery Clift, and Dean Martin. That’s my Avatar, just a character!

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Hmm. OK, I will accept that.

          However, some people may interpret that as a convenient excuse to have a Nazi Avatar.

          • Paul Walker

            Well, Nazis are in several episodes of Star Trek, so what’s the big deal? Im no Nazi, actually Jewish, but what ever happened to free speech?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Did you read my entire post? Like where I thanked you?

          • Paul Walker

            Yes, thanks sorry I am new and don’t have many friends.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            No problem. Welcome!!!!!

          • Paul Walker

            I wish William Shatner could’ve been Kirk one last time.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Paul, would you be so kind as to explain these posts that I noticed on your Disqus history:

            “Discussion on Overmental 6 comments
            The New Star Trek Series’ Captain Should Be Gay”

            Paul Walker 2 years ago
            “Cuz Deutschland Deutschland Uber alles Uber alles in the world#”

            Paul Walker 2 years ago
            “I propose the next Star Trek be a Nazi from Germany. After all, since equality must come into play, there has never been a Deutsch National Socialist member captain, just like there has never been a gay captain. Perhaps, the gay transvestite can be the first officer, then get a spin off series running a homosexual space station.”

            ???

          • Paul Walker

            You caught me. I am a recovering addict and alcoholic and typed that under the influence. I am sorry. I do not believe in evil regimes like Nazi Germany.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            OK. You might just want to start fresh and put out a new avatar?

          • Paul Walker

            Good idea, trying to figure that part out.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Love the new avatar — GOOD MAN !!!!!

          • Paul Walker

            Thanks man! Just don’t want to get blocked. You guys seem cool and we all love Trek.

    • DC Forever

      Ghestapo uniform? That is offensive to many!

      • Paul Walker

        This is a role Marlon Brando played in film entitled The Young Lions (1958). It is not meant to be offensive.

        • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

          People need to know film history instead of taking offense

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Oh sure, Einstein, like people can make out Brando’s face from that tiny graphic.

            Give me a break.

        • With the current political Climate man some folks will take that as you being a n azi supporter. Sadly, we have those.

          • Paul Walker

            Ugh I totally understand unfortunately. I just love history. I can’t figure out how to change it.

          • Just put something in your profile saying where its from. And when someone pounces go ” read the profile man”

          • Paul Walker

            Can’t believe anyone would be stupid enough to believe in a Nazi ideology.

          • You do not live in America I take it. We have had issues with them of late.

  • M33

    “Though we do agree with one criticism regarding the audio quality of the Klingon actors’ dialogue; while subtitles give us the meaning of their words, it’s difficult to tell if their voices are being digitally altered or they’re just having trouble enunciating through the makeup and false teeth”

    THANK YOU, TREKCORE!
    This was bugging the heck out of me.

    • Its the teeth I would guess. Having worn such teeth before they can take a lot of getting used to.

  • Todd Horrigan

    I’ve signed up for CBS ALL ACCESS a year ago waiting for
    Star Trek: Discovery and waited past its delayed ETA… so I was ready for
    anything being on the edge of my seat. If you read Star Trek books, the new
    series is a real pleasure. If you’re like my wife who is not an avid Star Trek
    fan as I, she is entertained by the movies but has many questions (“Why do
    their ships always get blasted and broken?”)…she did not last through the long
    beginning of Klingonese and its closed captioning. It’s my guess that the show
    will appeal to Star Trek fans but not others, and that may hurt the success of
    the series. I loved it.

  • Space Gaz

    Overall much more enjoyable than was expecting. Opening theme is awful. Klingon makeup is a bit much. 2 small women beaming over to a Klingon ship full of huge Klingon warriors was just plain stupid. I know we are in the age of equality but really, a middle aged tiny Asian woman fighting a massive Klingon and even holding her own for a minute was just silly. Why didn’t they take a half dozen heavily armed security meatheads.

    Besides those minor quibbles it seems to be on track to be great trek:)

    • Keith Melton

      Might want to turn down your misogyny there.
      They were the Captain and the first officer. Regardless of the sex or even species, it was their responsibility to get the job done. You will notice in the opening they were on the away mission as well. A simple ensign could have done that job.
      (and look back at Michelle Yeoh’s pedigree. You want to honestly walk up to her and tell her she can’t hold her own in a fight?)

      • Keith Melton

        Ah misogynist AND a immature child. Got it. Your comments are not worth shit.

    • Welcome to star trek. They do this stuff all the time.

    • M33

      What I couldn’t understand is if they could beam over there… why didn’t they just beam the lot of Klingons directly into a cargo bay to keep them as prisoners until theu could sort out who the leader was.
      Instead they went all suicide mission for no reason.
      Must have been irrational thinking due to the battle stress… I guess.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Imagine how many episodes of Trek you could apply this to?

        • M33

          LOL

          Very true.
          I had kinda hoped the “modern” Trek would be past this kind of silliness.
          Oh well.
          95% good is good enough.

        • M33

          Maybe its time to start our Star Trek Discovery Nitpickers Guide!
          Just to carry on the tradition, ya know!

        • Lest we have not taken the whole group of senior officers into danger yet!

  • iamawild

    When they first showed the bridge and I heard that warbling “ping”…I seriously think my heart skipped a beat. My God, hearing that sound again was so awesome.

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  • Eric Cheung

    The first two episodes had a Balance of Terror vibe, except that I wouldn’t characterize T’Kumvah as someone who shared mutual respect with Georgiou in that encounter.

    I dug the dialogue. It sounded like Trek dialogue, but maybe a bit more realistic, and the banter was integrated a bit more organically than in Berman-era Trek (where they’d alternate technobabble with banter in fairly jarring swerves–even JJ-Trek did this). The playfully sarcastic banter even reminded me a bit of the lab technicians in Fuller’s Hannibal, or even the Spock/McCoy or Odo/Quark banter previously seen in Trek.

    The producers made hay of shedding the Roddenberry rule barring conflict between officers, but I didn’t see anything out of the bounds of previous Trek shows. My interpretation has always been that officers can show conflict as long as they share the same goals and give each other the benefit of the doubt.

    That said, that benefit has not been granted to Michael Burnham just yet. I’m interested in how she achieves redemption.

    The tone still felt like Star Trek, especially considering exactly how deliberately they contemplated taking action.

    I am intrigued.

  • kadajawi

    I think I’ve pinpointed why I don’t like the tech and look in Discovery, as it is: Imagine a TV show or movie set in 1950 in the US. You expect cars from the 50s, some from the 40s and maybe a few even older models. They are all petrol or diesel powered. Clothes tend to be of a certain style that was popular back then, and people have landline phones if at all. The TVs only display black and white. Now imagine such a show suddenly features the iPhone. And electric cars. There’s a Porsche 911 somewhere. And the TVs have been replaced with holograms. That would strike you as rather odd, wouldn’t it?

    Now from ENT, to TOS, TMP, TNG, to DS9 and VOY there is a certain progression in terms of the tech that is available, and the style the tech has. It changes over time, but if you look at most cars from the 50s, you’ll probably have an idea from when it is. And the tech is roughly similar. There’s no complex infotainment system and the car doesn’t drive itself. Cars from the 70s have a certain style. And on and on. Also the level of tech is similar. Now Discovery completely breaks with most things that were established, that were on screen.

    Technological advancements are fine, but they need to fit into the timeline. Discovery looks like a show playing in 2410 or so. If it did, I’d be like… “hell yes, that’s awesome.” Except for transparent screens everywhere, which are a bad idea. We could have those now, and they’d probably be cheaper to make, but obviously we don’t, because it’s stupid.

    Also if the “Klingons” were any other race… I mean they don’t look like Klingons, their ships don’t look Klingon, their clothes don’t, their weapons only mildly so, they don’t really sound like Klingons, they don’t act like Klingons and they don’t behave like Klingons, I’d be fine with them (except for the mask like make-up which look too stiff to be alive). There’s no reason why they have to be Klingons. You can introduce any other race that consists of different houses that fight each other, that commits acts of terrorism, that wants war with the Federation. And after the Dominion war the time is ripe for other races to come in and attack the Federation. The Federation is weak, the Klingons are weak. Even the Romulans will be licking their wounds, though they’d make an interesting ally.

    What the writers seem to want to tell would work just as easily with another race, at another point in time where all the tech we see makes sense! The holograms which are more advanced than seen on DS9 for those two episodes. The pew pew fast fire phasers that were first fitted to the Defiant, where this looks like it is the successor of that system. It all makes sense, it’d all work, and all the criticism would be blown away. Because it now makes sense. And what is gained from placing it in the TOS era? The chance to do a bit of fan service? Being able to mention things that non-Star Trek fans have heard of? That’s soooo drawing in viewers…

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      All well said

      • mr joyce

        how about actually posting something instead of endless one liners?

    • TOS is not set in the 1960s, its set in 2266. Even shows set in the 1960s do not look as dated as TOS

      • kadajawi

        It doesn’t matter. TOS established how 2266 looked like. The years prior to that and after that ought to be related to this look. And TNG, DS9 and ENT confirmed that indeed the time period around 2266 looks like TOS.

        Star Wars Rogue One doesn’t look completely different from Episode 4. Actually, it looks exactly like Episode 4. The only thing they changed (that I noticed) was that Darth Vader is a much faster, more skilled fighter. Yes, Episode 1 looks very different from 4, but that’s explained, and 2 and 3 move closer to 4.

        The next Discovery episodes should look more like TOS, and towards the end of the season it should be closer still. But if they do that, why start from a point that looks so futuristic?

        • 2256 does not look like a cheap 1960’s TV show.

          Star wars is a whole other animals. There are a number of reasons they never changed the look and do not need to. Reasons that do not work for star trek.

          If DSC starts looking like TOS it will fail. You can not support a show only pandering to a tiny group of die hards.

    • mr joyce

      some interesting points made and i agree with what you said about another prequel not being necessary, but what we’ve got is what we’ve got, and its really not terrible at all.

      you are missing something pretty major though, star trek is not a period show, it is a vision of the future, and that vision can change. the timeline that was depicted back when the franchise started in the 1960s will most definately look different 50 years later.

      • kadajawi

        Ah, but so far what was seen on screen has turned into canon (with minor changes being allowed). ENT visiting a ship from the TOS era shows a TOS era ship. ENT showing the 90s Enterprise, well, shows the 90s Enterprise.

        Some fans, like me, treat the Star Trek universe as a “real” universe. Anything shown is how in that fictional universe it is going to look like. That’s part of the fun, to have a fully realized world that tries to stick to the rules of that world. Marvel does this, and is immensely successful with it. Star Wars does it too, and is successful. DC doesn’t do it, and their movies and show suffer as a result.

        Now since Star Trek: Shenzhou plays quite a bit before TOS, it’s allowed to look different more than Discovery is allowed to look different. But there needs to be a certain progression. It needs to be believable that the NX-01 was succeeded by the Shenzhou, which was succeeded by the Discovery and then NCC-1701. That is part of the fun. You can draw a direct line from NX-01 (especially the refit), to the 1701. Then 1701-A, B, C, D and E. The designers took great care to make it believable, to make the B more modern than the A, and to make the D look like it was designed decades after the B. The C is a mix of both designs. The E is the continuation of the D, adding some Intrepid class design elements into the design.

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