We’ve just beamed back from the Star Trek: Discovery Hollywood premiere, where our team was part of the first group of fans and critics to get a look at the first episodes of Discovery‘s first season.

‘Star Trek’ fans in costume at the blue carpet pre-premiere event.

While CBS streamed the pre-premiere press event on their USA-locked Facebook page, we spent nearly two hours chatting with the cast and production team behind the series in a series of interviews we’ll be bringing to you throughout the week.

Sonequa Martin-Green speaks with TrekCore’s Jim Moorhouse.
Jason Isaacs chats about Gabriel Lorca.
Michelle Yeoh tells us about Philippa Georgiou.
Doug Jones tells us about what it takes to bring Saru to life.

As we talked about earlier in the week, no reviews can be shared until Sunday evening – but we’ve got a bit of non-spoilery reactions to the episodes that we shared on Twitter late Tuesday night.

Come back to TrekCore throughout the week for our premiere interviews, and watch for our review of the premiere on Sunday night!

  • Sweet, the feedback on twitter by folks who actually went there tonight have been positive.

  • GhostLoveScore

    So it seems that TrekCore liked it? That gives me hope and I think I am getting excited about it.

    • You’ll find out in our review this weekend!

      • You guys seem to have got some good images. I hope whoever got to go enjoyed.

      • Andy Walmacher

        I am sure the review will be positive or you would lose exclusive access to CBS and Paramount sources.

        So this, its biased.

        You will of course say

        “Oh no, we are independent! We can say whatever we want!”

        Prove it.

        • scooternva

          You really have a hard-on for slamming the very site you’re spamming with this same general non-opinion. With no basis for your vituperation, you blindly hate the new show–we get it. But why the antagonistic attitude towards TrekCore?

          Please, just stop. It’s childish and you’re embarrassing yourself.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            (Edited to add: never mind. Blocked.)

      • Mrplatitude

        Are you able to say anything about the TV-MA rating, as far as if there is anything explicit or graphic?

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      A Trek site has a positive reaction to a Trek show , surprising.

      • October_1985

        Butthurt much, uh? You haters are so funny XD

      • mr joyce

        NOT very well said

        • He is like a broken record.

          • mr joyce

            Hopefully fighting fire with fire doesn’t end up with me sounding the same way lol

          • Quintillion Tesla

            No, I don’t think there is any parity with fans who are excited and hopeful, vs “fans” who actively trying on a crusade to convince people DSC is terrible/is SJW/not worth watching, etc. even before the show has aired.

          • mr joyce

            In the words of ‘Tom Cruise Never Phones It In’, very very well said.. lol

          • M33

            I will give it a fair shake, despite my concerns on their approach to visual continuity, and some of their public approach.

            Any good Trekker would!

          • Quintillion Tesla

            That’s all we can really ask for.

            The truth is, like any show, we may watch it and it might just end up being “alright”, or it might be “terrible”, or it might be “GREAT!”

            Any of these viewpoints may be valid once the show has fully aired.

            ( On visuals, and on the calibre of the actors, it does look amazing though )

          • mr joyce

            Well, the makers can’t afford for it to fail, so hopeful it’s not just the calibre of the actors and production values that are good. I mean, yeh, there are some flaws, but no where near the catastrophic levels that a minority of these blowhard fans make it out to be, just because some things don’t fit in with THEIR OWN ‘head canon’

            Edit.. It does look pretty though doesn’t It? 🙂

            I think I’m in love with sonequa too, that ginger chick isn’t bad either 😀

          • Quintillion Tesla

            Yeah, I hope the likes of Midnight’s Edge will put it in their pipe and smoke it.

          • mr joyce

            … and swivel on it

          • Pedro Ferreira

            But Discovery is “terrible/is SJW/not worth watching” so not sure why you’re in denial.

          • LOL, its fine to troll a troll. You kill a troll with fire after all ( at lest most of em unless the DM has one of those odd versions then the party may be doomed!)

          • mr joyce

            In the words of ‘Tom Cruise Never Phones It In’, very very well said.. lol 🙂

          • Pedro Ferreira
        • Pedro Ferreira

          What would be well said?

      • Well, just wait for my review.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        Yeah not exactly surprising.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      No they weren’t going to like. Of course they were going to like it!

  • So, everybody is praising visuals, but no word on substance – i.e. story, Star Trek spirit?

    • This is not the feedback I am seeing, nor what trekcore has said above. But yeah, do you expect people not the bring up what is clearly the best production value a Trek show has ever had?

      • No words about themes covered. I don’t expect spoilers of course, but there is no mention of what the show feels like.

        • Maybe I read elsewhere, not sure one of the big trek sites and I just miscalled it being from trekcore on twitter. They stated it was very much star trek. One of them said there was some things people might argue over, fans love to do that.

          Over all, twitters is just super positive about the whole thing. The only negative things I have seen are from people who did not go to the event and have been hating on it for months.

          Really though, when your not allowed to say much you talk about “safe” topics. Like the looks and the acting.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            Precisely my thoughts.

          • TUP

            Some of the more interesting comments are that its chalk full of Trek “lore” and has shocking twists. Can’t wait!

          • Yeah, I have seen nothing negative

    • Quintillion Tesla

      That would mean teetering into review territory – which is embargoed until Sunday.

      • Eric Cheung

        I don’t think that’s necessarily true. They can grade whether or not the show adheres to the themes and spirit of the show without giving specifics.

        That said, there is commentary in the above tweets about non-visuals, such as Sonequa Martin-Green’s acting, the depth to Saru’s character, etc.

    • ZippyZion

      Several Trek alumni have stated that it is amazing and feels like Trek. No further depth to the comments but that is because of the embargo, no doubt.

    • pittrek

      Let’s wait till the worldwide release

    • TUP

      There has been plenty of “read between the lines” statements about the content. Just because they dont go into detail, which they are not permitted to do, does not mean its bad. Describing the show was epic, awesome, fans will love it etc implies to me its good all around.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Everybody is praising the visuals?! They need their eyes tested!

      • I agree, visuals were over the top. And the Star Trek feeling is, sadly, painfully absent.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          All I see is desaturated colours with a lot of brown with bad lighting.

  • Cold Case Posse Supporter

    What I want to know is does the USS Discovery live up to expectations?

    • TUP

      whops

      • Cold Case Posse Supporter

        I was talking about the Ship. Just wondering if it looks great on screen?

        • Perplexum

          Good question. We still don’t have a good picture of that damn thing, other than concept art from a few angles.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      It had expectations?

  • Richard g

    Well I personally cannot wait! The more I hear the more I like. In the UK so have to wait until Monday, so I’d better try and resist the urge to look at spoilers.. but as someone once said.. ‘resistance is futile..’

    • dixonium

      Resist! Resist that urge! Stay strong, and you’ll have more fun on Monday.

      • mr joyce

        Very very well said 😀

    • mr joyce

      What time is it going to drop on Monday? ( I’m in UK also )

      • Part of the UK anyhow is 5 hours past east coast here in the US. As it will run at 8 here, that would be like 1Am your way. So Monday makes sense.

        • mr joyce

          Cool, I’m off all week next week, so it’s all good. I’ll pull an all nighter 😀

          • You migut wanna check as it is netflix. They may just put them up at 1 AM or midnight or they might wait

          • mr joyce

            From what I’ve worked out, I think it’s airing some time after 1am Monday UK time. So, it’s manageable

          • Yeah I think Netflix dumps em normally at midnight. But likely will not so the timing matches.

          • mr joyce

            Well, if I fall asleep early, I’ll catch it the following day, but thanks for the pointers 🙂

          • No prob. Good luck!

      • Richard g

        I’m not sure but looks like the replies below answer. I’ve not actually joined Netflix, I’m joining this weekend just because of Discovery. Hope it is nice and early that day.. might have to watch it a couple of times!! 🙂

  • pittrek

    Hm, the VFX were the only thing in the trailers which I TRULY LOVED and you say the finished effects are even better? Can’t wait to see them 🙂

    • TUP

      Yes, really interesting. there were actually people here saying the FX looked terrible in the trailers, which was obviously ridiculous. Knowing they’re even better? yowza!

  • Your Worst Nightmare

    Can’t wait.

  • adamclark83

    “Burnham is truly the center of this series”? They do realise the show has an ensemble. I don’t want to read for every episode synopsis:

    Episode 1: Burnham encounters someone from her past.
    Episode 2: Burnham investigates a mysterious distress signal.
    Episode 3: Burnham takes command of the Discovery when Lorca succumbs to an alien plague..

    • pittrek

      TOS was supposed to be a Kirk-centric series. Thankfully it became a Kirk-Spock-McCoy triangle type of story, so let’s hope that Burnham’s case will be something similar.

    • TUP

      Its whatever the creators decide it is.

    • Quintillion Tesla

      You say that, but ultimately we could be looking back at a series that for the first time ever may be the complete story of the rise of a Starfleet Captain ( Burnhma ) her journey from subordinate to captaincy told against the backdrop of insterstellar conflict. That might end up being very interesting if that is the case.

      Anyway, it can still be an ensemble and have one or two key focal characters. Even DS9 which was ( imo ) the strongest and well-rounded ensemble of all had Sisko as our focus and our way-in into the story.

      Sisko’s own journey from embittered and emotionally distraught Starfleet Commander, to Captain at the frontier of the primary defense line against invasion from the Gamma Quadrant, to his ultimate ascension to Godhood – whew! What a journey.

    • The show has a cast of main characters. Most shows do. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s an “ensemble” show. We’ve known for a while that Burnham is the focus, it is her story that drives the narrative. Does that mean they won’t have storylines featuring the other characters? Of course not. But the producers have a story they want to tell, and that story has Burnham at the center of it.

  • Christopher Roberts

    Was there an appearance of anybody from Enterprise?

    • pittrek

      There are more photos on startrek.com. Connor Trinneer, John Billingsley, Tony Montgomery were there from Enterprise, Shatner and Nichelle were there from TOS, Frakes from TNG, and Nana Visitor from DS9

      • Christopher Roberts

        Thanks!

      • AmiRami

        Thank you!!!

    • mr joyce

      http://www.startrek.com/article/discoverys-world-premiere

      This shows pretty much everyone who was there

      Edit.. Just saw that someone else already pointed you in the right direction lol

  • Your Worst Nightmare

    A poster on TrekBBS, while staying relatively spoiler-free, has talked a little about his experience at the premiere last night.

    The biggest thing that makes me happy is that the series appears to be light on the technobabble. I’ve started working my way back through DS9. Just finished episode 14 of season 1 and I’m struck at how much technobabble there is, even here. I respect and appreciate the idea that Star Trek takes place in a future where some tech speak needs to occur. But when it’s all deus ex machina? Then it starts to lose me.

    It pleases me greatly that this seems to be the direction Disco is taking.

    • Quintillion Tesla

      Voyager was the worst for technobabble. They’d have whole scenes explaining how some sort of “Dekiyon particles” or whatever could be used to fix something – and I mean long scenes – it just wasn’t interesting.

      • Your Worst Nightmare

        Agreed. In small doses, when it helps add texture to the series, it’s fine. But when the writers have the characters [TECH] the [TECH] with the [TECH] in order to get out of a corner they’ve painted themselves into? That’s just not interesting drama. Give me human ingenuity over [TECH] any day.

      • pittrek

        There’s a nice little featurette on one of the TNG(?) Blu-rays, where Brannon Braga talked about how somebody has sent them as a joke a “technobable generator”, they thought it was funny but a few years later they actually started to use it for their scripts.

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          That’s pretty funny.

        • PJ

          No s**t Braga, most of us always knew it was one of the main crutches you employed to prop up your lousy talentless writing and producing. You probably had a second one which has story concepts like time travel, Borg, anomaly, red alert and Seven programmed into it.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          The reason it was used so much on Voyager was because Voyager is supposed to be an advanced ship so the writers fell back on technobabble in order to have futuristic dialogue.

      • Karl

        If you don’t know what a nutrino, gama radiation, quantum string, magnetic confinement or alpha particles are perhaps you shouldn’t be watching science fiction.

        Holding up well then to its dumbed down reboot movie counterparts. What a great at to pay back all those fans who grew up to be scientists than by slapping them upside their faces and telling them to accept change or get out.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Good points.

      • GIBBS v2

        Lol!

        The BBC runs a promo for Voyager right now that is nothing but an endless chain of techno babble. Techno babble became a real narrative crutch in later series, they would insert it here and there as a means to an end.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          The BBC is showing Voyager? Where and when?

          • GIBBS v2

            BBC America, runs it for a few hours during the day M, T, Thur and sometimes on Saturdays. And then those same episodes at night. Now that I think about it does seem really random but I seem to catch it a lot.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Oh it’s America BBC. Not for me then.

    • The TOS Writer’s Guide contains this paragraph:

      Tell your story about people, not about science and gadgetry. Joe Friday doesn’t stop to explain the mechanics of his .38 before he uses it; Kildare never did a monologue about the theory of anesthetics; Matt Dillon never identifies and discusses the breed of his horse before he rides off on it.

      It’s a pity that some of the later Star Trek series lost sight of this, but at least when Star Trek began, they understood that they should explain the tech rarely and sparingly.

      • Your Worst Nightmare

        I *LOVE* that part of the writer’s guide. And I love that there seems to be a return to that here!

    • Charles Baxter

      Yeah DS9 had a lot early on, yet they managed to avoid the Voyager trap: 70% technobooble and the rest story

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Doesn’t like DS9. So poster isn’t reliable, got it!

      • Your Worst Nightmare

        What the hell are you talking about? I love DS9. I just hate mindless technobabble.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          I was talking about your reviewer.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            People are allowed to have their opinions, Pedro. I only have issues when people make sweeping judgments before they see the things they complain about.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Okay.

  • This all sounds so very promising. Thanks for the exciting but non-spoilery coverage, Trek Core!

    • Karl

      These are not reviews and they are 110% biased. You don’t get invited as a VIP, wined and dined, photo shoots on the red carpet and then come out and be critical to your host. You’d never be invited to a preview or screener ever again!

      This was simply manufactured hype targeted at influencers with hefty twitter accounts who have enjoyed lovely free night out and in many cases paid to do so. The embargo against reviews is their polite way of saying “please hold a smile for the cameras until after they see it and we hope you enjoyed coming”.

      How stupid do they think the fan base is?!

      • scooternva

        Since you obviously have seen the first two episodes to have such a strong opinion, please–do enlighten us with your detailed critique of the series.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          In denial as well?

      • I don’t think there is anything wrong with TrekCore’s coverage of Discovery. I rather listen to the opinions of fans than to reports by the mainstream media that don’t understand Star Trek. And if the only chance to get invited to the event is to be generally positive, so be it. I have personally chosen a different path for myself but that is only possible because I run EAS on my own and because I can afford not to have first hand news on everything.

      • If you think we get paid to cover all this stuff, to travel to Los Angeles, or that we received anything beyond an invitation to attend the screening and press line – just like every other outlet, critic, or fan who was there – then perhaps that’s a more introspective question, Karl.

  • His Eminence

    I’m sorry, I’m highly suspicious. Why in the world would they embargo reviews except they think this is going to be reviewed badly?

    And Jason Issacs, kiss my 40+ year Trekkie a$$.

    • Your Worst Nightmare

      Apparently there are a few plot twists they don’t want inadvertently spoiled.

      • His Eminence

        We already know: Klingons are now Trump supporters and she’s Spock’s adoptive sister.

        Oh and the cast loathes the fan base and adhering to canon.

        Did I miss anything?

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          Oh, okay. I see. You don’t have a real concern about the review embargo. You’re just here to troll. Got it.

          • His Eminence

            No I’m not. Read my other comments on the series. They were well received.

            This Trek, like all things lately, has become ridiculously politicized. It could be the media reporting making it appear that way, or it could actually be that way. Either way, why in the world would they alienate half the country before they even got started?

          • Dude, trek was always like that. Always about current politics and current relations. It was always something done.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I’ve already gone back and read some of your comments. What I see is someone trying to politicize the conversation not striking down that conversation. I don’t care who you support politically, and frankly, it shouldn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. I’ve seen comments from people who have actually seen the first two hours about this being the series we need right now — that it tries to show unity when there is so much discord. Is that accurate? I don’t know.

            But maybe we should just wait until Sunday night before we pass judgment? Because right now, neither of us know a damned thing outside of the little bits and pieces we’ve read. And absolutely none of that is truly in context.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            “But maybe we should just wait until Sunday night before we pass judgment?”

            But these people are not interested in waiting to see whether DSC is good or bad – they hate everything they have seen so far, and have inferred some political agenda onto the show that doesn’t appear to exist at all ( are they really so ignorant that they are getting apoplectic at a couple of female leads? ).

            Their ilk is here to tell us to watch Orville instead ( or that Orville looks better – it doesn’t ).

            There are literally reams and reams of these trolling comments ( and videos ) on youtube right now, which is just beyond my understanding.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I know its likely my words will fall on deaf ears. That’s fine. It just reminds me of what Star Trek is all about.

            Star Trek is different things to different people. For some like myself, its the characters and the stories. For others its the action and adventure. For others its the technology. For others still, its the optimistic version of the future. But at the very root is the idea that even though we may have differing opinions, we can come together and work through our differences, to reach understanding. Now, it’s one way or the other. I’ve absolutely been guilty of it in these conversations. We need to take a page from Star Trek and be able to speak again, not only in our government, but on Internet message boards too. The Internet is here. And we need to learn to use it right. It’s a struggle for me daily to try to keep that perspective and sometimes I fail.

            Also — The Orville is what it is. I didn’t love the first episode but I figured I’d give it a chance on number 2. It was better, There’s still something that doesn’t sit right with me but I will grant you, it is entertaining. I can watch both. For now.

            I stand by my words regarding passing judgment. If others can’t follow that, then ultimately, that’s their loss.

          • Quintillion Tesla
          • Over at Trek BBS one guy who watched it said a guy next to him started talking about how bad it was, before it had started. And talked about”bad” things all the way though it and then at the send yelled ” see I knew it was gonna be bad”

            Some people want it to fail and will view it as bad no matter what it does.

            Also if someone says the Orville looks better they are lying, drunk or pushing an agenda. The looks are not even in the same galaxy.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            Haha, the hate-watcher you describe sounds absolutely absurd!

            The issue is, with all the pre-hate being levelled at DSC, one TINY thing that they may perceive as not working, or episode that may be somwhat poor will be used as further amunition for the trolls to say “See?? Told you it was bad!” just as you describe.

            In other words, people may not allow DSC the space to grow and evolve.

            If anything causes DSC to fail commercially, it will be this hyper-critical/hateful attitude by people ( SOME people ) who’ve been happy enough in the past to put up with mediocre Trek episodes/ characters, but are now actively acting to sink Discovery.

            I certainly hope these troll do NOT hold that power.

          • They will pirate it and not pay to watch it so really they have less power than in a normal TV show. They will have some power to turn folks off to it, but not as much as they think in their own head.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Haters gonna hate.

          • Yep and will hate watch each and every one. What kinda pissed me off was, this guy paid for a limited ticket that dozens of other folks would have love to have got. Knowing he was gonna hate it, going in with his mind made up and then he talked all the way though. This is just a dick move.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Probably because it is bad?

          • Not alienating half the country. Have you taken a look at approval ratings lately? I think the only people truly politicizing the show are people like you, you’re a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you’re going to get upset and stop watching TV shows and movies because the actors involved say things negative about Trump/Republicans/Conservatives/Anti-SJ then you’re not going to be left with much.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            You hit the nail on the head Mawazi:

            “I think the only people truly politicizing the show are people like you, you’re a self-fulfilling prophecy.”

            It’s exactly because of comments/attitudes like the above troll’s, that the actors have even had to answer back.

          • People like him call other names like snowflakes and moan about “safe spaces” yet want a safe space of their own.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            LMFAO

            Complete nonsensical whining.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Entertainment is unfortunately highly left wing now.

        • Perplexum

          “Klingons are now Trump supporters”. That can’t be right. Kilingons kill off their leaders when they are incompetent.

        • Quintillion Tesla

          You missed EVERYTHING judging by your comments.

          • It seems that way. Another person wanting it to fail because it broke their head canon or lumped them( in tier own mind anyhow) in with “the bad guys) or something

          • Pedro Ferreira

            You’re the one calling TOS SJW mate.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Just stop making shit up, please.

          What a nauseating post.

    • Why people embargo reviews has been explained a few times. This has happened before with TV shows and with books its sometimes common. Its never happened with a brand new TV show, but it has happened with shows before. Nothing sinister or ill omen-ed about it.

      • His Eminence

        Ask the reviewers who were embargoed for the latest Ghostbusters whether or not there were sinister motives.

        • One has nothing to do with the other. This is a hype building move and based off what we have heard to keep twists and spoilers hidden. People seeing this are not allowed to talk about it yet, because they want to keep things hidden.

          Looking at threads by folks who watched it, its clear most loved it. A few did not but over all its massively positive. And reviews will flood in all the same days, if it sucks this is the very worse way to do this kinda thing. So clearly they think they have a winner as they have no where to hide after it comes out.

          Will everyone love it? No, some will hate it no matter what, but they seem to have hit the right tone for most people who have seen it.

        • AmiRami

          To be fair the last Ghostbusters movie was plagued by (sad) controversy since well before it came out. It made sense for the studio to be cautious in that instance.

          In this instance it’s not just about the quality of the show itself. Its about the fact that CBS is dying for this to finally make CBS all access a success. They are obv very nervous about how this will turn out with audiences even if the show is great. They have a LOT riding on it

          • Pedro Ferreira

            The Ghostbusters reboot was a travesty so it’s an easy comparison to make right?

        • Quintillion Tesla

          Another one of these people trying to compare GB 2017 with DSC? The analogy doesn’t stand – it’s clear for everyone to see that this new STAR TREK has men and women as part of the main crew ( just as every prior TREK ).

          • I actually Liked GB really. I had no issue with an all female cast. But all women upset the hell out of many folks

          • Quintillion Tesla

            I personally did not enjoy the film at all – but it had nothing to do with the female leads. I thought the movie was as terrible as the the other recent wannabe Ghostbusters films such as Pixels, and The Watch. 😛

          • And that is fair, but we both know many of the reviews were all about “Oh its SJW and ruined” or “Feminazi” this or that. Did you at lest enjoy the bill murry camo? That had me rolling.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            Haha, I’m glad you enjoyed it! I didn’t feel for Murray’s cameo sadly. I absolutely agree about the SJW thing though – and now these trolls are using the same argument about DSC which makes no sense at all.

            By all means, if the show sucks and is not true to Trek, everyone will be better positioned to critique it rightly when it comes out.

            But these are the same people that have been lauding Orville ( even BEFORE it was out ) in spite of its abysmal reviews.

            ( Orville is enjoyable hokum, nothing more imo, so it really shouldn’t be a case of “either/or” like they have made it into )

          • I am not sure how much longer I will keep watching the Orville. Its not growing on me and not as funny as some folks claim. But its not a humor style I enjoy.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            Yeah, I thought it was mildly enjoyable – but not as a parody or satire ( it is nothing of the sort ) – it literally is using TNG’s framework/setting/( and actors and writers ) to tell TNG type stories, just with adult jokes.

            Can there be a case for calling this a rip-off? I don’t know, but maybe…

          • The look is a ripoff anyhow. I did not like the pilot, bad pacing, low humor, horrid CGI. Te 2nd was better,but not grand. All it has going for it is its a star trek rip off. I would have liked it more if it was its own thing.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Yes because they were right! Stop being ignorant and people will take you seriously.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          People like Shannon probably think that film was excellent and progressive.

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      This is going to be another Ghostbusters 2016

      • mr joyce

        NOT very well said

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Probably because it’s rubbish as shown by the mediocre reviews.

  • M33

    I bet Sonequa was glad to get that Vulcanish wig off and let her hair be free.

    Jolene had to put up with it, too.

    • Quintillion Tesla

      I always hated the Vulcan ( and Romulan ) wigs on the previous Trek shows – they looked so fake. I always used to wonder why they couldn’t just cut and dye the actors’ hair, but I’m sure it was easier for production purposes to have stock wigs.

  • Robbins

    some here probally gave elvin films postive reviews while others didn’t especilly into darkness.i am more concerned if actual episode can pass to pre trek 2009 trekkers can be seen as prime show and prequel to original show.

    • Like it or not this is what prime looks like now. Its no longer the 1960’s.

      • Robbins

        sorry but ignoring everything makes it reboot not prime.

        • Nope. You guys cliamed TMP and TNG were reboots as well. For the very same reasons.

          Looks are not canon, events are canon

          • prometheus59650

            Looks MUST change according to the era and expectations of the audience.

            People laugh now watching TOS fan films that are faithful to the original tech, with its readouts that say nothing and the computer that sounds like busted Siri.

            They laugh.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Exactly.

          • Agreed. Somone below 30 TOS does not look like the future, it just looks old and campy.

            I mean, TNG does not even seem super high tech any more. When I was younger tiny desk tops and everyone carrying padds was the future. And that future is here in 2017 and no longer reads as the future.

            Sci-fi must seem current and as the future, not that dreamed in 1966

          • Karl

            It’s a needless reboot. All they had to do was continue the story beyond Voyager. Instead it’s cliche Spock this and mudd that. I don’t want to revisit these characters anymore than I would want to revisit my dad’s old record collection.

            The more of this stuff they have shoehorned in, the more unpalatable it has become. And what is their solution? Every press release is even more TOS this, original cast that.
            CBS have driven away masses of people here and you fanboys are in complete denial about it and brand everyone haters.

            I can see it now, you’re already thinking up reasons to blame it’s death on masoginists, right wing, Fuller, Moonves, paywall, writers at cetera. What you fail to deal with or even consider is that the entire project has been an entirely unwanted revisit in to your nostalgia from day one. At some point you will have to accept that your trek is simply not where the majority want to go a 3rd time.

          • Its not a reboot. Its simply a visual update. If its not your thing, its not your thing man. But I can see why the studio would want to do this era, its safe and easy money.

            I do not see “Masses of fans leaving” I see a small group of diehards upset. You guys do not understand that if this fails, trek dies. There will be no new series. they will shelf it.

          • Karl

            It’s been called a reboot by the actors themselves. Splitting hairs does not an argument make.

            As far as the masses are concerned Trek died with nemesis, Its better to let it rest in peace with what little dignity it has left than rape it over and over again hoping it will produce babies.

          • Its a visual reboot, sure, but not a setting reboot. Its not 1966 and TOS looks old as freak. And no, the masses did not think Trek died at Nem. Many love the Kelvin movies, like it or not.

          • Karl

            We didn’t want a 3rd rehash of TOS in the first place. Any goodwill in suspending disbelief went out of the air lock 18 months ago.

          • You, a subgroup of fans did not. The masses loved them. ST09 is the highest profit STar trek film of all time. The other two sit at 4 and 8 out of 12. Yeah the masses “hated ” them……

          • Pedro Ferreira

            You are known for contradicting your own opinion on this at first saying visual continuity doesn’t matter then comparing and contrasting The Cage to Discovery. Stop being a hypocrite.

          • Snap

            Then why does Star Wars look almost exactly the same 40 years after the first movie? And why does nobody raise a stink about it or talk down to the people who actually appreciate that there is a visual continuity? Instead, people make a stink when they make alterations, short of merely remastering the footage.

            Yet here, if you dare to support visual continuity or even the unpopular bits of canon, you get called a hater, a troll or treated with condescension because it’s “2017” and not the 60s.

            I mean, no shit it’s not the 60s, but it is possible to create an update which respects what came before, not just in terms of the uniforms and tech, but also the aliens. not a single person has provided any reasonable explanation for why species like the Klingons look radically different from how they’ve been presented in the past which doesn’t rely on negative evidence or a “it’s 2017” non answer.

            So, yeah, taking a cue from the Vulcans and the Romulans (as well as the Kelvin movies), Discovery may very well be a splinter which is “prime in name only” (I mean, seriously, if the vocal portion of the fandom wants a TV series set in the prime universe, it’s going to be promoted as prime because, well, they can) but the people who so desperately want Discovery to be prime fight tooth and nail as if it actually being a reboot is the worst thing in the world. It’s ironic considering how they treat the people who have a preference for visual continuity.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Shannon is known for contradicting her own opinion on this at first saying visual continuity doesn’t matter then comparing and contrasting The Cage to Discovery. She is being a hypocrite.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            The only person who hasn’t made any sense here is you Shannon.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Nope. You don’t get to decide that.

  • Vger64

    I have been excited about this show for quite awhile. I have had some replies made to my comments that are negative, childish, insulting and not worth my reply.
    Fire away folks… This show is going to be good:)

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Exactly!

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Keep telling yourself that (thumbs up).

  • Snap

    Man, the amount of salt is enough to cause someone to have a stroke. Agree or disagree with opinions but no matter which side of the fence you’re on (is Discovery “prime” or “reboot”>) your own opinion is NOT the only acceptable one.

    Trek fans like to spout off “IDIC” but tend to fail to actually practice what they preach. We are only a few short days away from seeing Discovery for ourselves. Don’t flame each other for their own personal opinions. We are not obligated to like a show and should not be shamed or insulted if any of us dates to voice a critical opinion.

    Yeah, yeah, I know, the internet brings out the worst in everybody.

    • Except it being prime is not an opinion, its a statement of fact.

      • Snap

        There have been instances of the producers lying for whatever reason. It is entirely possible Discovery is Prime in name only. Midnight Edge makes a compelling argument for why Discovery just may NOT be prime.

        In the end, it shouldn’t matter if Discovery is prime in order for fans to enjoy it. What I most take exception to is how people are belittled for actually respecting the original canon, despite how hokey it is by modern standards. It is an equally valid point of view as anything else.

        I should also point out that Doctor Who respects its own beginnings and isn’t ashamed of the early production values. Star Trek fans claim to be so progressive and open minded, but especially here they come across as arrogant and condescending to dissenting points of view.

        • Midnight edge are a bunch of lying con artiest. Nothing they say is true, they make it up. They have nothing to make an argument with but self made lies.

          People claiming its not prime are ignoring reality and pure out lying.You guys will have to accept reality just as you did with ENT.

          Dr. Who is not scared of reworking its stuff either and it embraces its campy ness and is silly as all get out. This is not trek, Star trek does not embrace the camp, it does not make fun of itself or play off as silly. It plays it straight

    • Your Worst Nightmare

      It’s fine not liking something.
      It’s fine having a critical opinion.
      I don’t understand being 100% negative on something before it even airs. I don’t understand suggesting people are part of the problem by having an interest in something you don’t like. I don’t understand doing everything in your power to try to ruin other people’s joy.

      I’m not speaking of you in particular, Snap. Just in general.

      It’s all about presentation, and sure some of those who are interested in giving the show a chance, myself included, can from time to time be guilty of not hearing the other side out as well. I agree with you. I think everyone needs to be respectful of each other’s opinions.

      Live and let live, right?

      • Karl

        You don’t need to stick your head in a fire to make sure it’s hot.

        Many people have simply not liked the project from the outset. I struggle to understand why a) you can’t comprehend it, b) why you think we are duddenly going to change our minds after watching it) and c) why several regular users of this site are ready to perform a group mugging.

        You demand we either see STD with rose tinted glasses or you attack until you have successfully perverted the thread.

        From the perspective of most off these fanboy sites you are nothing but bullies with a one track mind. You should be ashamed of yourselves, and if you don’t stop pushing people out of your sandbox you might one day find that that your parents have taken it away from you.

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          My God, Karl. For the billionth time: I’ve accepted the fact you aren’t going to watch this. Hell, I’ve admitted that I’m guilty on occasion or perhaps not handling people who I don’t believe are giving this a fair shake. I’ve apologized for it. I’ve given genuine statements of remorse that you aren’t given what you wanted. But you… yes, YOU… are the one who continues to attack everyone else for not agreeing with you.

          • scooternva

            Just block Karl. I just did. So much nicer around here without him and his buddy Andy throwing poo everywhere.

        • Pedro Ferreira
      • Snap

        I understand and, hell, I’ve made it no secret on aspects which I’m not fond of. But even with that, there have been those who would adopt a mocking or condescending attitude spouting rhetoric such as production values. You’re quite right that it’s all about presentation and members on both sides of the coin are guilty of engaging in toxic behaviour.

        Oddly, I think what we’re seeing essentially mirrors what happened when TNG premiered. The fandom was divided into two groups: those who only accepted TOS and those who accepted TNG. Unfortunately, Discovery doesn’t have a Leonard Nimoy to help usher in fan acceptance.

        I will be watching on Sunday. I’m always willing to give a new Star Trek series a fair shot.

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          I think you’re absolutely right. And I’m pleased to suggest you’ll give it a fair shot. If you don’t like it? Well, you’ve at least made an informed decision. 🙂

          • Snap

            I checked my programming guide and it looks like Space will only be airing the first two episodes of Discovery, and re-airing them numerous times through-out the week, as there is nothing listed for October 1.

            I may have to wait for a Blu-ray release.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I thought Space was the network airing the series. I dunno.

          • Snap

            Yeah, me too. My programming guide typically shows everything within a two week window, but Discovery disappears off the schedule on Space at the end of September. The VOD service in Canada which will be carrying Discovery is Crave TV. Not sure exactly how much it costs as I don’t subscribe to OTT services.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            “Episode 2 of the hotly anticipated series will debut right after the premiere on Space, with subsequent episodes airing Sundays through Nov. 5, then taking a break until January 2018, when the series’ “second chapter” will begin.”

            https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/television/2017/06/19/star-trek-discovery-debuts-sept-24-on-ctv-and-space.html

            I wonder if there’s a glitch or something in your guide. So strange. But I respect your desire not to pay. Especially when you can get it through a means you already have. If I didn’t *have* to pay for CBS AA to get Discovery, I would be very happy. But alas… hope you get the situation resolved.

          • Snap

            I think it’s entirely possible, as Bell’s initial press release was quiet clear that all episodes would be aired on Space (as well as Z, for French boradcast) before being made available on CraveTV.

            Space’s current schedule on their site doesn’t enter October, while large blocks of the weekend on my programming guide, particularly during the time when Discovery would be airing, are a “TBA” with a description of being Cartoon Network presentations. The only connection between Space and Cartoon Network in Canada which I am aware of is they are both owned by Bell Media.

            It should become clear by Sunday, as Space’s online schedule typically only shows a week of programming.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        “I don’t understand being 100% negative on something before it even airs.” Probably because it looks bad? I mean everybody knew The Fantastic Four movie from a year or so back was terrible and that was based on trailers and everything else promotional.

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          I didn’t KNOW Fantastic Four was going to be bad before it came out. It didn’t look promising but I was willing to give it a shot. Glad I waited until it was on streaming though. It was garbage. But I didn’t know for sure until I saw it.

          FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME, I’m fine with having and voicing concerns, but I find it ridiculous to think you can see something as garbage without actually making a INFORMED opinions based on trailers. There have been many movies I’ve thought look like crap and then circumstances allow me to see later and actually enjoy.

          In other words: I’ve learned it’s not always great to judge a book by its cover.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Perhaps if they presented something that was actually appealing some wouldn’t think it was terrible?

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            You are entitled to your opinion.

            Did you actually watch the episode last night or are you just continuing to troll? Because I’ll have a lot more respect for you and your opinion if you say you did and you weren’t a fan. And you’re honest, of course.

            Mine? I thought the episode they aired on CBS wasn’t that great. In fact, it was pretty terrible. As I had a 7 day trial for CBSAA, we subscribed. The second episode was much better and left it in an interesting place.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I am honest, what’s been presented so far in promotional material was crap? Why would I lie about that, especially my opinion?

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            So you can’t deliver an informed opinion on the episode itself. Great. Thanks for clarifying.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    “VFX work is really stunning. Everything in the trailers definitely in-progress versions of the effects.”

    Awesome. Can’t wait to hear how Pedro responds to this?

    • prometheus59650

      The unfinished stuff I’ve seen has been pretty damn good.

      Improved from that? Bring it.

    • He will whine, troll and spout nonsense. What else?

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Actually, I am hopeful that he will have an open mind about this.

        • I have the guy on ignore because he just trolled. He does not have an open mind, you can show him proof a claim he made is false ( I did) and he acts like you did not and so on. He uses classic trolling tactics just to keep you responding.

          • TUP

            He hasnt been around lately from what I gather (but I might have missed a post). Maybe he’s been given a vacation.

            Hopefully everyone can relax and not troll each other and just be happy posters, even if they disagree.

          • An optimist on the internet!

      • mr joyce

        Nah, he’s not so bad, he has a couple of really odd views, but I wouldn’t describe him as a troll, just mis-guided in some instances

        • He trolled me, so that is what I call him

          • mr joyce

            That’s a shame.. thankfully I haven’t had that experience though

        • TUP

          He trolls.

          His attacks on the production values was the weirdest thing. Like, dont agree with all the creative choices but to suggest the production values are anything less that really good is just transparent trolling. lol

          • mr joyce

            Yeh I noticed he talks about the production values a lot, I find that really odd too. I’ve never noticed trolling though, hopefully I never do, it’s not something that contributes to a good discussion, from anybody.

    • Andy Walmacher

      Unfortunately we won’t be able to see the work as intended by the artists because CBS will only be streaming in 720p and 1080p depending on the device.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      It’s terrible, they need they’re eyes checked! The ships look like plastic and that’s screenshots from the actual episodes!

  • Andy Walmacher

    I won’t be watching this drivel. It has a lead that is clearly in it only for the paycheque and can give a damn about the history of the show. She knows so little she does not even know that Avery Brooks was the first black lead in a Star Trek show.

    It’s BASIC Star Trek history. I bet she did not even take one day on her own with Wikipedia to review the basics of the past shows and the casts. It’s frankly embarrassing for someone who claims to be a professional actress.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Stick to your PewDiePie and Final Fantasy posts, son.

      • Andy Walmacher

        You sound like a insecure twat.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Here’s what you sound like:

          “I will be creating the hardest of hardcore un-pixilated tentacle porn in graphic detail for this game. That gas station bimbo is going to get savaged and destroyed, all in glorious 4K resolution.”

          LOL Seriously???

          • Karl

            You are the biggest bully here.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            That’s not bullying; that is exposing hypocrisy.

            As for you, hou haven’t said anything of substance here in months dude…just the same negative one liners and general malcontent behavior. Get some new material.

          • Karl

            No, you are a bully .

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “No, you are a bulky.”

            True, I have put on a little weight.

          • Karl

            Just going to put you on block. One person less you can’t attack.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            My god, the irony! LOL

          • scooternva

            Oh, it’s so much nicer with Andy blocked… thanks for the sound advice!

          • Andy Walmacher

            Why would you block me? What have I done wrong?

          • TUP

            You’re a jerk. Maybe we should all block you and you can rant and rave to yourself.

          • DC Forever

            Lol

          • DC Forever

            OMG, the hypocrisy as well.

          • TUP

            Actually, karl, you’re very rude and insulting a lot of the time. And Oracle is not a bully at all. Grow up.

          • DC Forever

            Karl is the supreme bully of bullies on this site.

          • DC Forever

            Says the biggest bully around here.

          • Andy Walmacher

            Who are you to judge what makes me money? Leave me alone and stop trolling kid.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I am not judging you — I am comparing your rant about SMG to your own public behavior. Others can make a judgement or not — I just noticed what you yourself have said.

          • Andy Walmacher

            It’s not a rant, it is fact. She had/has no idea that Avery Brooks was the first black lead of Star Trek.

            Having her disrespect Mr. Books who struggles with alcoholism can only hurt him further. He is from what I have seen of her work 10 times the actor she is.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Your are not fooling me. I also saw your racial posts.

          • Andy Walmacher

            They are not racial, I was supporting PewDiePie for making a mistake and apologizing for it. Everyone makes mistakes.

          • TUP

            Wow. This Andy character needs a serious vacation from here. He is full of anger and hate.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle
          • DC Forever

            No, you ranted. Your are trolling, and you know it.

          • Karl

            Just put him on block mate. He isn’t worth conversing with.

          • Andy Walmacher

            I have no idea who this guy is, and he suddenly launches personal attacks based on my posting history? That’s what creepy stalkers do. I have nothing to hide and am afraid of no one.

            I guess I should be flattered he is looking at my profile and posting history?!?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Never seen you on this site in the 7 years I have been posting here? You come in here with made up crap about SMG disrespecting Avery Brooks, and so I get curious and look at your other posts and I find that you like to defend white people using the N word, and you are an unapologetic creator of modifying video game female characters for pornography purposes.

            You are what you say you are. It’s all in your own public words. Stop whining about me simply noticing what you publicly post.

          • Andy Walmacher

            The amount of time one posts on here matters not. Be it one day, or 7 years we both have the same rights. Please stop being a shameful bully pulling that classic and childish “But I have been here longer than you” crap

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            No, no, no. You were the one who said, “I have no idea who this guy is,” inferring that I was some newbie here.

            Nice try. Stop whining, and take accountability for what you say.

          • Andy Walmacher

            I have no idea who you are, you suddenly came at me for no reason. Seek mental health treatment.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            That’s funny, because inpdependent of you and I, TUP commented on why I and others are reacting to you in this way:

            “TUP Andy Walmacher • 2 hours ago
            You’re very rude and troll like. Maybe lighten up and stop picking fights and acting like a fool. That would be a good start.”

            Basically, stop being such a dick and starting fights.

          • DC Forever

            Exactly. He’s the one who came here from nowhere with his manufactured facts and take no prisoners negative trolling.

          • Karl

            One of the resident bullies. This thread is a much nicer place with him blocked.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Hey Einstein, I can still see your post. I don’t think you understand how blocking works. Whatever, dude. LOL

          • DC Forever

            Hilarious. He seems to believe that in blocking you, you can’t see and respond to his posts anymore. Ha Ha Ha! That’s just so precious!

          • TUP

            You’re very rude and troll like. Maybe lighten up and stop picking fights and acting like a fool. That would be a good start.

    • As shocking as this may be for you to understand, not everyone is a trekkie. She, like many of the cast started watching after she was cast. I mean most people know star trek, most people have not however, watched star trek.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Check out this dude’s post’s on discuss. He’s a proud creator of custom pornographic characters for his video games. LOL

        • Eh, whatever. I am not one to judge another mans taste in porn or his hobbies.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            It’s just hilariously hypocritical that he calls out people as “embarrassing” when he’s posted all that silly crap on the public internet. Pot calling the kettle black.

          • Oh that I can agree with. I have also never heard her say what he claimed either. She has been on the record as watching ENT and TOS, started with ENT as it came before her show in the timeline. And some folks will be upset at that lol.

            I do think its great how people in the production and stuff geek out over things. Like In the show in Vegas Glenn Hetrick ( Make up designer) was late to his panel because he was on the floor getting someones autograph. I forget who it was off hand, but he was all hyped about it.

          • Andy Walmacher

            The difference is I am not a professional actor and she is claiming to be one, yet had no clue Avery Brooks was the first black lead. It’s sad.

          • Where does she state this? Please show us. Not what someone else claims, where she says it.

          • Karl

            The E news feature

          • Care to link it?

          • Karl

            Not from my mobile.
            Google it, I think it was the one with all blue uniforms on the front cover.

          • Ah on a phone, got ya. Tying to link stuff on a phone is a bear. I tried to google it but come up with nada.

          • Karl

            Go listen to the 4 day old midnight edge vid on YouTube. Entire sections and quotes there with the cast openly agreeing to wanting to remove the Kirk and Spock legacy, and not giving a damn about the existing fan base, daring it not to watch and being outright insulting.

            Seriously dude, you having been keeping up with things away from these shill websites?

          • Midnight edge is pure made up BS. Nothing they say is true. If that is where you are getting your info, you got feed lies.

          • Karl

            Verifiable quotes from said magazines.

          • Unless you can link it, No one is gonna believe anything the con artiests at midnight edge say. They lie and quote mine. In the E magazine she did talk about being the first black FEMALE lead, but not the first black male lead.

          • Karl

            Live in ignorance then.

          • You claim they quoted that mag. I am telling you she does not say that in the mag. I have read it. She talks about being the first black female lead, not the fist black lead. Those are not the same thing.

          • Karl

            Trekmovie tried to calm the storm, what with being the mouthpiece of CBS

            https://trekmovie.com/2017/08/16/jason-isaacs-attempts-to-clarify-controversial-comments-about-star-trek-fans/

          • Karl

            I’ve no time for that asshole and I’m not filling his wallet with money, or CBS for that matter.

          • Just telling you man she does not say what you are claiming in that mag. Not even close.

            As for Isaacs, I have no issue with what he said. He was spot on

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “Just telling you man she does not say what you are claiming in that mag. Not even close.”

            He and his pal Andy simply don’t want to hear that. They prefer the fake news.

          • He has switched it Isaacs now. I mean I know what the woman said in that mag. anyone claiming she said something else is lying or fell to a quote mine.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle
          • Andy Walmacher

            Karl is not my pal

          • Karl

            Isaacs you bafoon

          • No need to name call because you got schooled and your lies exposed man. I did not attack you, I simply corrected your false statements.

          • Karl

            Perhaps you should look up the term Bafoon.
            Isaacs is a fellow countryman but does not speak for this side of the pond.

          • No clue what it is is its not baffoon, google thinks ya mispelled it.

          • Karl

            ‘No clue what it is is its not baffoon’

            Huh?

          • Should be an if not “Is, is” but you are trying to goalpost shift away from the fact you used an ad hominem when you got called on misinformation and outright lies.

          • Karl

            You’re the one who suddenly feels the need to correct people. Does that somehow make STD an argument one for You?

          • You made a false statement. You cut into this conversation and said the information I asked for was in a link. You could not provide that link but claimed it was stated in a well known blog , known for well lying and making stuff up.

            When called on that you said the blog quoted a mag, which i have read and know for fact it does not say what you claim. So you got pissed and name called because you had no where else to go.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yea, he could not produce a citiation or evidence that SMG said that, and so he has his hissy fit.

          • Worse, he used a false one.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yep!

          • And when told I had actually read the claimed mag, he got upset and name called.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “STD”

            Again? Really?

          • All he has is attacks it seems

          • Andy Walmacher

            STD is short for the shows name, “Star Trek: Discovery”

          • Incorrect, this is not how star trek does abbreviations and never has been. They do not and never have used a format that will give you STD.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            He of course knows that. LOL

          • I have seen one of two not actually know this. I think some fans tried that format with TNG , but STTNG and STTOS never took off and was abandoned by fans

          • Andy Walmacher

            But this is how a couple of the actors have refered to their own show on Twitter.. I think they have the authority over fans

          • This no not how it is done. Only the three move reboots use this formate with them being ST09, STID and STB. No trek series has ever used such a format and those with a ship in the title shorten the ship/station name. Such as ENT, VOY and DS9. As such its DSC

          • Andy Walmacher

            But this show is far closer to the shameful JJ verse treks than real Real Star Trek like TNG

          • Only in modern filming style. Not in design.

          • Karl

            Gtg work, this has been charming..

          • You have a good en. Try not to fall into the trap of getting upset and committing logical fallacies next time man. It kills any type of argument you are trying to use.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Notice how you started by asking Andy this, and then SEAMLESSLY, Karl responds with an answer like you had asked him that question?

            If I was a suspicious person…..

          • Nah, he just came into the convo. I do that all the time. I know at this point andy will not respond, I have asked him in two threads and he ignores me.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            OK

          • Andy Walmacher

            Asked me what? I was away

          • Fair enough. Where you got the infor she herself said she was the very first black lead.

          • Andy Walmacher

            TrekBBS

          • I am active there as well. Link the thread please.

          • Andy Walmacher

            It’s being talked about only via private messages by very long term Star Trek fans, the core fans. The ones that have been there from the start. The gritty, REAL fans that put the show before their own lives.

          • TUP

            What are you talking about? Now that its been corrected, will you apologize?

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Ah, so the same secret TrekBBS group that another’s poster named Dan King used to post here came from. Interesting that you two have pretty much the exact same narrative coming here. Only difference is: he apparently was a self-made man on stocks. You apparently made your fortune on video game mods.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yes, and he’s bragging about his salary on some of his other Disqus posts as well — JUST LIKE “DAN KING” AND “MICHAEL” used to do?

            Great observation….they may be all the same single troll.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Dual users? I’m not suggesting anything of the sort. Im merely stating an observation.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Hi Michael…whoops, I mean, Dan….whoops again, I mean Andy of course.

            Sorry for all of these typos. 😉

          • DC Forever

            I am not kidding. I think you and Your Worst Nightmare have outed him here. Too many similarities.

          • So you have nothing. You have a hater board shareing stuff you cant back up

          • Partha Mittra

            “The gritty, REAL fans that put the show before their own lives” While I have loved Star Trek for 44 or my 49 years I would never put the show before my own life. Anyone who would do so does not have a love of life and should seek psychiatric help

          • DC Forever

            Oh great, PRIVATE MESSAGES ON TREK BBS again.

            Looks like Michael/Dan King is back folks!

          • Never mind found it. That is sure to be a misquote as one of the moderators dug up videos of her correcting folks on it and explaining she is the first female lead of color. So she knows this fact.

          • DC Forever

            Yes. If that was the only way I could make a living, you can bet I wouldn’t brag about it publicly, like it was a legitimate profession. Just weird!

        • Andy Walmacher

          I happen to make decent money for various mods for games. Is that a problem for you? Grow up.

          • DC Forever

            Just looked at those posts about your character mods. Just gross and immature. Making coin on carnal mods of video game characters as porn for lonely people who live most of their life online seems very sad to me.

      • Andy Walmacher

        You don’t feel the lead actress on a franchise that spans 50 years should have done some basic research on the shows?

        • She did, after she was hired. IIRC she was watching ENT and TOS first. Asfar as I can tell she never claimed to be the first black lead. She has been asked about being the first black FEMALE lead however.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yea, this has been reported multiple times. Dude is simply not paying attention, or the real answer doesn’t fit his world-view.

          • Now, one site in their own headline said that. But they got lambasted for such a mistake.

        • TUP

          Yes, she should have watched every episode, every film and read every book. (Thats sarcasm, by the way because Im sure you wouldnt gather it)

        • DC Forever

          Huh? She did, and it’s been covered several times.

          What are you talking about?

      • Snap

        I often wonder why people even care if someone was a Trekkie or not before being cast or landing a job on the show. I actually find it a bit more obnoxious and annoying when people go out of their way to say they were NOT a Trekkie, like JJ Abrams’ whole thing after landing the job of directing Trek 09.

        I mean, I personally couldn’t care less about the state (or non-state, as the case may be) of someone’s fandom, but if my memory is correct, Jonathan Frakes wasn’t a Trekkie before being cast as Riker, neither was Patrick Stewart.

        Do they do a good job and are you entertained by their performances? That should really be all that matters. If they are generally unpleasant people and talk down about the fans then, sure, give then the middle finger and be done with it.

        I think what us, as fans, need to keep in mind is to many actors this is just a job.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Yep, I hear the show is about diversity.

      http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln3sdnEsHh1qbhtrto1_500.gif

  • Andy Walmacher

    Well, it’s time to finally see if destroying Brian Fullers original vision for the show – which was far more Star Trek in nature – for this JJ. Verse like crap Les Moonves demanded will pay off. If this show gets renewed for three seasons I will eat my pants.

    • Your Worst Nightmare

      I would stand to guess that CBS will be giving it’s streaming service and by extension, Discovery, more of a chance than you expect it to. This is a relatively new service and they need time to build a subscriber base. Legacy content is great, but they need to create original content. I would venture to think that season two is all but a given at this point and season three, while not as set in stone, is probably going to happen unless THOSE WHO ACTUALLY WATCH THE FIRST AND SECOND SEASONS start to tune out.

      It’s important for me to make that distinction because so many people are against this thing before it starts.

      • Andy Walmacher

        Do you really think STD will get a second season if subscriber numbers go down after the show is launched?

        With Nicholas Myers far superior Star Trek series coming in 2019, I am sure CBS would shift from Discovery to his show.

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          I think this is a new service and we should see what happens. I think the metrics that will be used to gauge interest will be far different than anything were used to. I also think that the interest in this series might just be greater than you see on the internet. But this is all most certainly nothing that can be gauged at this point. So I choose to wait and see. You can do whatever you choose to.

          Also, we don’t know what Nicholas Meyer is doing outside of its a project with CBS. Is that a TV series? A movie? A book? A 4K transfer of TUC? The simple answer is: we don’t know.

        • TUP

          1) you’re full of crap and trolling

          2) why would sub numbers go down? I doubt there are current subscribers of All Access who will be so offended by the mere inclusion of Star Trek that they race out to cancel.

          Its possible sub additions are not as strong as CBS wants, but a reduction? That’s weird. ll

        • DSC

    • TUP

      Oh? What was Fuller’s vision? Please tell us in detail.

  • Andy Walmacher

    Will this be streaming in 4k?

    • Karl

      No

      • Andy Walmacher

        But this is 2017, and the show is said to have cutting edge special effects. 720p is vile, and my 4k television is ready for the show to stream in 4k along as is my Google Fiber connection.

        Are you serious? Just 720p?

        • Karl

          CBS AA doesn’t have the capabilities to serve 4k video, or indeed any 4k content.
          Netflix can’t possibly have 4k while the USA only gets HD.

          I suspect the plan will be to cash in on bluray later on down the road once CBS and Netflix have gotten as much mileage out of it as they can.

        • TUP

          1080.

        • DC Forever

          1080p, clown. Knock off your 720p made up nonsense

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Please, just stop making stuff up. It’s going to be in 1080p.

        Enough!!!

        • Andy Walmacher

          Only 1080p? Really? Why not 4k? It’s 2017, not 2012.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            As far as watching home theater, 4K is a gimmick. The human eye can’t tell the difference at typical viewing distances.

            Why do you think giant movie screens at your theater are in 2K and 4K?

            That’s why 1080P will be the broadcast standard for decades to come.

          • I know mine can’t. Really mine is poor enough I get little out of HD at a normal viewing distance.

          • DC Forever

            Agreed. That is typical.

          • My PC screen is good, but my TV I sit to far away to get anything from it

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Is that why you think the visual effects in Discovery look fantastic?

          • Andy Walmacher

            Now I know you are full of crap. I have better than 20/20 vision and I can absolutely tell the difference between 1080p and 4K. It’s like night and day. I can also tell the difference between 4K and 8K, and it’s very dramatic. Then again, I am a devoted videophile.

          • better than 20/20 is not normal. That is above normal. So maybe you can tell, but that does not change if most folks can.

          • Andy Walmacher

            Define normal.

          • Average sight range. This is 20/20, the human norm. So this is what it is built on.

          • DC Forever

            Yep. And my old 60″ 1080p plasma still looks better for watching blu-ray movies than my new 4K 65″ LCD.

          • I have about 20/80 with glasses, so at 6 ft they all more or less look the same to me

          • TUP

            To be honest, I can tell the difference too. But its not THAT dramatic unless its a really great 4K and then mostly on disc. Netflix has some great 4K as well and it look beautiful.

            But since the vast majority of people do not have 4K, Im not sure what you’re whining about.

            Given Netflix’ investment in this, Im sure they’d like it in 4K as well. So I expect that to follow at some point.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Your a gamer. So you watch stuff much closer than most of us are comfortable.

            If you sit between 8 and 12 feet back from say a 65″ TV, most people can’t tell the difference https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/26c2ca1ae6fe9104a0b6078e4d1f5ef8d1ed68a84b1e84491c0448f22d0d3c2e.jpg between 4K and 1080P. It’s the mathematics and physics of the resolution and geometry to the human eye from the screen. Fact.

          • DC Forever

            Yea, you have to sit close to notice the difference.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            4K content is still dripping in little by little. With a 4K set, myself, I would love to have the show stream at that level. But that’s not going to happen at the moment. Maybe season 2.

          • TUP

            This is the stupidest remark of your many stupid remarks. Do you even have 4K? Because most people dont.

            I DO and would love it in 4K. Im sure it will come in town (and hopefully the BR release is 4K).

      • Pedro Ferreira
  • Andy Walmacher

    This reminds me of when Arnold of Terminator fame asked James Cameron to film select scenes in Terminator GENISYS or whatever and then Cameron went around claiming the movie was fantastic and incredible like a sycophant, and when the movie was out afterwards he trashed it and made fun of it.

    Same thing is happening on this magic carpet and to the people who saw the premier there. Sycophants all praising the show and a year or two from now will be trashing it giving a littany of reasons as to what went wrong

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Like you know this?

      LMFAO

      • Andy Walmacher

        It’s not made up, I follow James Cameron news

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Enough with your “fake misunderstanding” of what I am saying. Obviously I am referring to you saying this “same thing is happening” with Discovery.

          Again, that is your wishful thinking, made up nonsense!

          • Andy Walmacher

            Wait two years when people like you are scratching their heads and wondering what went wrong with STD

          • TUP

            And if it IS great, you wont be around, right?

  • His Eminence

    Yep, it sucked. 50 years of hard work by two generations of artists, wiped away.

    JJ tossed Star Trek in the trash, this show just lit it on fire.