A few weeks back, Star Trek: The Next Generation alum Jonathan Frakes commented to a convention crowd about what seemed to be a big spoiler: that Star Trek: Discovery would be taking on the Mirror Universe in an upcoming story for the series’ first season.

While the extent of how that comment would translate to Discovery was unclear, series producer Alex Kurtzman finally confirmed that rumored development at Saturday’s New York Comic Con event.

When asked by ComicBook.com if the USS Discovery‘s experimental spore drive engines could lead to stories about “classic Star Trek plots” like time travel or alternate universes, Kurtzman both referenced and confirmed Frakes’ earlier statements:

Well, it sort of leaked that we are gonna be en… doing some episodes about the Mirror Universe, yes. We will absolutely be paying homage to the original.

This development is one that is certain to be controversial to some fans, with our known first Starfleet contact with the alternate universe set in TOS’s “Mirror, Mirror,” referenced specifically as “the first crossover” in DS9’s “Crossover.”

Viewers of Star Trek: Enterprise, however, will remember the 2005 two-parter “In a Mirror, Darkly” took place entirely within the confines of the Mirror Universe without any contact with the Federation.

That being said, Lorca and the Discovery already have some secrets on board thought not known until the classic Trek days, so it’s possible contact with the Mirror Universe may be added to that collection.

Jason Isaacs photographed for ‘Variety’ magazine in August on the Discovery bridge set.

Some eagle-eyed fans following press coverage of the series may also have noticed that the USS Discovery‘s dedication plaque, first seen clearly in promotional imagery for “The Butcher’s Knife Cares Not for the Lamb’s Cry,” is different from the one seen in photography from Variety magazine back in the summer.

LEFT: Plaque from “Butcher’s Knife”; RIGHT: The plaque from the ‘Variety’ shoot.

With a different insignia, upper-section text, and “ISS” designation, it certainly appears to be from the dark side of the galaxy, following in the naming scheme for Terran Empire starships first used in “Mirror, Mirror.”

We’ll have to wait and see to what extent the Mirror Universe plays a role in the rest of Star Trek: Discovery‘s first season.

  • Ian Fleming

    I know folks will bemoan this development but I am looking forward to some sort of sequel to “In A Mirror, Darkly”. I also want to see Mirror versions of the current uniforms.

  • archer923

    Well yeah. They can do anything, since this is a Section 31 show. They’ll just secret it away later on.

    • mr joyce

      id like it to be a section 31 show, but im not so sure. would be cool though

    • Tuskin38

      Yeah no. Its not Section 31.

      • Angela Filewood

        Too much hints at it being section 31

        • Tuskin38

          No. Nothing they’re doing is anything is remotely how Section 31 acts.

          Section 31 doesn’t operate in the open, they’re behind the scenes.

          Go rewatch the S31 episodes of DS9, This isn’t their MO.

          • Keith Melton

            That doesn’t rule out that Lorca takes his orders from S31 on the fly.

          • Tuskin38

            If it turns out to be S31, it will be very disappointing.

          • joh2141

            The Section 31 theory isn’t far fetched. There’s actual backing. Besides aesthetics such as black com badges and the like, the concept of Section 31 is to operate freely from Star Fleet because it’s not really part of it. What we may see is because of the war Star Fleet temporarily adopting Section 31 or integrating them somehow for the war efforts.

            Lorca is given the discretion to use what he sees fit to win the war. This definite is Section 31-esque. I mean there are few other scenes that might “imply” Section 31.

            Burnham accuses Lorca of trying to ignore Geneva convention and code by developing chemical WMD’s. Although her accusation is false and wrong, there might be a reason the writers used that line. In DS9, Section 31 develops a biological chemical weapon of mass destruction essentially to stop the changelings. Lorca’s personal mission statement is aligned with Section 31’s purpose.

            They may do messed up ethically wrong things but they exist for the survival of mankind at the very least. Discovery is acting in similar fashion by all accounts. Section 31 has always been that organization that believed in the statement “The ends justify the means.” The part of us that justifies the use of atomic bombs in wars.

            Also while you believe Sect 31 makes this show bad, most people disagree. Section 31 would actually make this show way better. It would give Discovery the free reign to explore their show the way they wanted instead of adhering to the rules and universe set by the sequels. Discovery being Sect 31 would also explain how Star Fleet doesn’t use the Spore Drive in the sequels. They might have deemed it too powerful a thing and come to the ethical conclusion to destroy it at the end of the series.

          • Tuskin38

            Nope.

            Section 31 is unofficial, acts outside of the government, they would not have ‘black badges’. They wouldn’t be visible. They would act behind the scenes.

            If it was a section 31 thing, only Lorca would know. They wouldn’t broadcast their presence on the ship like that with obvious tells.

            It would be like the operations seen in DS9. They would pull the strings.

          • joh2141

            Like I said for the purpose of this war, Discovery could be the commission for Section 31 to act freely to use whatever discretion they have to win the war. Also you’re looking at Section 31 possibly earlier in the days of the Federation in comparison to most depictions you saw.

            However I agree with you. If this is indeed a Sect 31 ship commissioned for Sect 31 by Star Fleet, then it’s entirely possible that only Lorca and perhaps select few members of the crew know what’s going on/who’s involved/pulling the strings.

          • Grydian

            How do you know Dsc is not classified? It could be that no one even knows they exist. Its an experimental ship with a war changing tech. Clearly it would be top secret and even the normal starfleet personnel would accept that this is not something they can talk about or share. Without knowing this is all section 31. Lorca clearly knows but the rest of the crew probably do not including the first officer. They think it’s just starfleet intelligence.

          • Tuskin38

            I didn’t say it wasn’t classified. It probably is. You wouldn’t want the Klingons to find out about this.

          • Grydian

            So then doesn’t that mean the crew might not know its apart of section 31? No one in the show has any idea what 31 means but us. I am just saying it could be disguised as SF intelligence when it is in fact section 31 running the show.

          • Darkthunder

            Well familiar with DS9 and Section 31 behavior, Tuskin. And their behavior in DS9 doesn’t prevent them from operating “openly” a hundred years earlier.

            I’m with Angela on this one, that Discovery has far too many hints to Section 31 to simply “shrug off”.

          • Tuskin38

            I’m not seeing any of these hints people are saying exist.

          • Darkthunder

            “Black Alert”, does not exist on ANY regular Starfleet ship in ANY era
            “Black Insignias”, does not exist on ANY regular Starfleet ship in ANY era
            “Lorca’s questionable secretive behavior”
            “Darker environments throughout the ship”
            “Dark grey/near black shuttlecraft in episode 3”

            I would include the registry number being a strong hint (NCC-1031), but people will no doubt point out that Bryan Fuller is a big halloween fan (October 31st). And even if the ship itself isn’t “Section 31”, Lorca could be taking his orders from Section 31 operatives. Section 31 would also explain the existence of a lot of the technologies on the Discovery, that shouldn’t really “exist” in this era.

            I can sit and enjoy this show as a stand-alone, but I do not see it conforming to the “Prime Universe”, regardless of any alleged visual reboot by Discovery apologists and it’s producers.

          • Keith Melton

            -Black alert is something specific to this experimental drive. No need to equate that to anything else
            -Black insignias: more than likely a special ops division of Starfleet. But possilbe S31 connection
            -Lorca’s behavior: his “don’t worry about Starfleet” line to Burnham is a big flag.
            -Darker environments: so to be a secretive part of Starfleet they all perform in darker environments? More than likely this is just a design choice for the look of the show. The Shenzou had similiar lighting setups.
            -Dark grey shuttle: that is grasping at straws imo.

            Still, plenty of hints to show this is S31 or at least connected in some ways. The ship registry is a red herring that to many people are clinging to. The halloween reason is all it is there for.
            You can stick your fingers in your ears and hum all day long but this show is set in the prime universe.

          • Starshipdown

            “-Darker environments: so to be a secretive part of Starfleet they all perform in darker environments? More than likely this is just a design choice for the look of the show. The Shenzou had similiar lighting setups.”

            Dark or dim lighting on the ship sets is nothing new in Trek. Just look at the Main Engineering in TOS, particularly season 1:

            http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1×05/theenemywithin155.jpg

            http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1×05/theenemywithin167.jpg

            http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1×22/Space_Seed_385.JPG

            Even season 2 and 3 had their share of it, again with engineering:

            http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2×24/The_Ultimate_Computer_178.JPG

            http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/3×07/dayofdove_433.jpg

          • Tuskin38

            they explained Black Alert in the show already.
            Darker environments were also explained in the show already.

            And Bryan Fuller said 1031 meant something.

          • Darkthunder

            Black Alert… Secretive maneuvers using a non-existent alien tech called a Spore Drive.

            Darker environments… because of Lorca’s alleged “poor eyesight”, which means his eyesight is screwed if he ever happens to set foot on a planet. Or if the Klingons decide to use their “massive floodlight interference” again, that they used against the Shenzhou.

            As I said, the 1031 has been said to be in relation to Bryan Fuller’s love of Halloween which just happens to be on October 31st. I’m just not buying into that excuse, when there are other things in this show that seem too… Section 31, to just wave off and ignore.

          • Keith Melton

            “non-existent alien tech called a Spore Drive.” Stamets and his partner from The Glenn developed the tech. I wouldn’t really call that alien tech. The alien component with the ripper is just used as a super computer to actually navigate through the panspermia paths. And the drive is present and working, how exactly is that non-existent?

          • Darkthunder

            Non-existent, in any OTHER Trek series. Invented specifically for this series, since the drive doesn’t exist on either ENT (which takes place chronologically before Discovery), or TOS (which takes place a mere 10 years after Discovery)

          • Keith Melton

            Fair enough. I think a better way to describe it would be experimental. In the same way that the Tranwarp drive from Excelsior ended up not working, we don’t know yet the end result of the Spore drive.

          • Tuskin38

            Well the producers have said that things that don’t make sense in the context of TOS will be explained.

            So something happens to make the drive a failure, or at least discontinue use.

            Its probably going to be related to the creature they found.

          • Dalek1963

            I agree. The creature is the only one they find. The spore drive will be abandoned.

          • And they did not find it, so much as it found the Glynn

          • Starshipdown

            Or, like in VOY’s “Equinox” episodes, the creature will be found to be a sapient, but very alien being, and so the use of them will end the program, except for sending one (like Lorca did with Burnham) or a few people around instead of whole starships. Such an ability would explain how in DS9 agent Sloan was able to escape or be places without anyone detecting him.

          • Victorinox

            A few comments:

            1) Burnam has no official orders, or Starfleet paperwork “assigning her”
            to Discovery. As far as the rest of the world goes, she is still a mutineer on a prison planet somwhere. Her absence from the ship crew roster would be rare if that was a regular Starfleet ship, but not rare at all if that was a Section 31 ship.

            2) Lorca made no attempt to salvage the USS Glenn. He immediately proceeded to erase any proof of its existence with a couple of photon torpedos.

            3) Lorca made sure to “spore jump” out of Corvan 2 before the colonist had a chance to see and/or identify the ship.

            4) If I remember correctly, no contact was made with the colonist from the ship.

            That sounds a lot like they are not operating “in the open”, and perfectly consistent with Section 31 behavior.

          • Darkthunder

            Right on all 4 counts. All of the above, is well within the behavior of a “clandestine” organisation like Section 31.

            If a person like Sloan can pose as the “Deputy Director of Starfleet Intelligence” without anyone batting an eye (in DS9), it’s not too hard to believe that Section 31 would be capable of putting their operatives in command of 1 or more Starfleet vessels. After all, Section 31’s standing orders are to do whatever it takes, to protect the Federation, even from itself.

          • Tuskin38

            The Admiral Lorca is reporting too knows Michael is on the ship, and Lorca even quotes a starfleet regulation allowing him to recruit her.

            And he probably destroyed the Glenn to keep it out of Klingon hands. They’re in the middle of a war, no time for salvage operations. The drive is also probably classified.

          • Dalek1963

            I would say this is the only creature of its kind that will be found. The spore drive will be abandoned for this and other reasons.

          • Yet, this “drive” fits other Trek tech. Its pure up an iconian gate. We have already seen two reasons not to use it, and I think we are gonna see another few reasons why this is buried dark and deep and never used again.

          • Katie B

            They needed a supercomputer to operate it.

            It operates through pathways that link places together rather than by setting a course and engaging.

            Know what that sounds like to me?

            That sounds to me like Transwarp.

          • Could be what leads to the failed transwarp

          • Tuskin38

            You’re seeing connections where there are none.

            And the ‘floodlight’ wasn’t a weapon.

          • Darkthunder

            I never said the “floodlight” was a weapon. I believe I used the word “interference” since it prevented them from communicating with any other ships, and whatever the effect used, had a massive negative effect on crewmembers hearing and eyesight… In other words, my point stands: Lorca’s poor eyesight is screwed, if the Klingons decide to repeat that effect against the Discovery.

          • Tuskin38

            They have no reason too.

            The fact it did that to the Shenzhen was just a side effect.

          • Darkthunder

            No reason? It was effective in the sense that it prevented enemy communications with their reinforcements.

            Sounds like a very good use in a WAR TIME scenario… But go on apologizing for Discovery’s shoddy writing, Tuskin.

          • Tuskin38

            The beacon was in that specific place for a reason, I doubt they’d move it. It probably doesn’t even have any engines except to maintain orbit.

          • John Gault

            Your an opininated fool, arguing to feel right. Struggling to live right?

            Not seeing anything worth respect in your ignorance, fears, suspicion and doubt as a contribution to rational discussion.

          • Tuskin38

            Common sense.

          • Keith Melton

            Shenzhou not Shenzhen. (I am pedantic about ship names)

          • jurassicbond

            I honestly hope Section 31 wouldn’t be so obvious in their way of recognition. In a way, it’s like advertising themselves.

          • Andrew Dixon

            There would b many ships with 31 in it by this point…
            NX-31
            NCC-31
            NCC-131
            NCC-231
            NCC-331
            Etc n so forth

            Plus 31 doesn’t think Starfleet, Federation citizens, or foriegn powers know of their existence…

          • Andrew Dixon

            Give it time…
            I have a feeling ull see…

          • Andrew Dixon

            Look at Discovery registry…
            Ends in 31…
            Def Section 31…

          • John Gault

            Middle of space, taking prisoners off shuttles is not out in the open.

      • Andrew Dixon

        I think it is 31…
        Look at the Discoverys registry…
        NCC-1031…
        31…
        31 also knows how to hide right out in the open…
        Otherwise they’d have never lasted this long…

        • Tuskin38

          The Glenn was NCC-1030. Was it working for section 30?

          • Andrew Dixon

            It isn’t the “hero” ship n wouldn’t use that reference…
            I see ur a trolling a$$ hole…
            U don’t know me homie n have no reason to b pedantic or sarcastic…
            My comments n point stands…
            I also ask David Mack (author of the only licensed DSC book so far “Desparate Hours”) if it was a 31 ship…
            He said he was not allowed to confirm that…
            Strongly hinting that it is…
            Plus there’s a Gorn skeleton in the lab…
            We haven’t encountered them yet…
            Tho 31 might have…

          • Tuskin38

            they explained the Gorn skeleton on After Trek, Lorca didn’t encounter it, he got it from somewhere.

            And David Mack is under NDA, of course he can’t answer.

            Go fucking watch DS9, Section 31 doesn’t act like this. They would disguise everything, they would not have 31 painted on the damn hull.

          • Andrew Dixon

            In the form of a registry…
            In a Starfleet that has no idea of 31s existence…
            NCC-1031 would b easy to hide…
            N fitting as a secret Sec 31 base of operations n R&D…
            Of course David is under NDA but he didn’t say neither confirm nor deny…
            He said he couldn’t confirm that…
            Which didn’t exclude it…
            Now I’m not saying it IS 31…
            I’m saying it would answer alot of questions…
            I personally think Lorca we seen is a mirror counterpart…
            Possibly taken by 31 for his tactical genius…
            Also I think Saru is there to keep him from going too far…

          • kadajawi

            Ah but the Section 31 we see in DS9 is like 120 years after the Section 31 (if it is) in Discovery. Especially in war times they may be a bit more out in the open.

            I’m not saying Lorca IS Section 31, just that it is possible, and that some things hint at that. It may very well be that despite those he isn’t. It may be another part of the secret service.

            But to me he gives this Section 31 vibe… like how secretive he is, how he tests and manipulates others. How pragmatic, and non-idealistic he is (unlike much of Starfleet). To him the ends absolutely justify the means, and that is simply not how most Federation captains we have seen behaves, however it IS how Section 31 would be have (IMHO).

            Personally I hope it is the case, and that Michael is basically Bashir, working reluctantly for Section 31.

            I still don’t understand why the show needs to play in 2256 though… it doesn’t fully fit there, and the Klingons are so unlike anything Klingon we have seen so far, that giving them a different name wouldn’t have changed one single bit, and probably have improved things because they aren’t compared to what came before.

          • Tuskin38

            Section 31 also acted that way in the 22nd Century.

            The only difference with the Klingons is how the look, they still act like Klingons. Honour, Kahless, Familes.

            If you slapped the TNG Era make up and clothes on them you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.

          • It’s actually “painted” twice on the hull:
            https://i.imgur.com/2c7rRYH.jpg
            Beneath the window are quasi roman numerals: III and I – 3 and 1. Of course XXXI would be correct, but also too obvious.

          • Tuskin38

            Oh come the fuck on, this stretching it to the maximum.

          • Keith Melton

            There are plenty of other hints but that is just straight up ridiculous.

          • I don’t think so. Those things don’t happen accidentally. This is actually a widely discussed hint: https://trekmovie.com/2017/10/14/fan-theory-is-the-uss-discovery-a-section-31-ship/

          • Tuskin38

            No, it is a coincidence.

          • Lyk

            Could be….who knows how many secret sections are there?

        • Snap

          The registry is a reference to October 31 – 1031, which happens to be Halloween, Bryan Fuller’s favourite holiday. Simple as that.

          • Andrew Dixon

            Ur wrong…
            It is said he probably hid the Section 31 clue that way so ppl will automatically think what ur saying…
            Y’all will see…
            Black Badges…
            Black Alert…
            “Mission separate from Starfleet”…
            Registry…
            I bet u that shuttle full of prisoners is destroyed…
            To hide the fact Burnham is still alive…
            U saw how Saru sensed death as the shuttle was leaving…

          • Keith Melton

            Again:
            Black Badges DO NOT automatically mean S31. S31 is so secretive they wouldn’t have special insignia. More than likely the black badges are just a very special ops division. IIRC the one badge we saw the wearer was big, burly and heavily armed. My guess is some kind of MACO like division.
            Black Alert: Is NOTHING TO DO WITH DARKNESS OR COLOR. It is tied only to the use of the experimental drive.
            Registry: Halloween joke. A S31 ship would never be so obvious in its numbering.
            Mission: How exactly is their mission “separate from Starfleet”? they are in it to end the war.
            Prison Shuttle: Possibly they are all dead, but Saru’s spidey-sense could just as easily be because Burnham didn’t leave.
            Burnham alive: Someone knows she is alive. How did they know where to send the telescope?

          • Snap

            What you are looking for is “you” and “you are.” It’s not that difficult.

          • Andrew Dixon

            Nah…
            I meant what I said Troll…
            GTFOH…

          • Snap

            Ah, so you’re just lazy. Got it. Welcome to the block list. I hope you enjoy your stay.

          • Andrew Dixon

            Well it’s called shorthand…
            N blocking is ur best bet…
            U can’t fukkd wit me…
            Lolol…

      • Lyk

        It is, Black Deltas, Black Alarm, Very Non-Federation Experiments and behavior, even the Registry number is a hint at it 1031

        • Tuskin38

          Section 31 would not have an emblem, they would make other Officers do the work for them or infiltrate like they did in DS9. They would not have ‘tells’ like a black badge. The black badge officers are probably starfleet intelligence or something.

          Halloween is Bryan Fuller’s favourite date.
          The Glenn was NCC-1030, registry means nothing.

          • Lyk

            You Forget that this Star Trek is already screwed up anyway (to modern Ships, silly, boring looking “Klingons”.

            The way the Discovery Crew Acts and behaves, is for me a clear indication that they work for Section 31

          • Tuskin38

            If anyone does work for 31 it would only be Lorca.

            So far they’re respected Star Trek lore. If you ignore the visuals and were to slap the TOS look on everything it would still work.

          • Keith Melton

            I think that is the only logical way for it to be. Registry, badges (which are something, the convicts line about never seeing them before must mean something) etc aren’t proof. Lorca’s actions and impetus are all that is needed.

    • pittrek

      Yeah, I start to believe that guy who posted it last year under every thread

  • Your Worst Nightmare

    Saru better have a goatee. :p

    • Eric Watson

      YES!!!! haha!

    • Brian_Brodrick

      Well… one made of tendrils anyways. ^_^

    • TUP

      He should be replaced by the “predator” species from his planet.

      • Dwight Williams

        That would be sensible.

  • Keith Melton

    Ugh…no thanks. The mirror universe has been done to death. DS9 (as much as I loved it) destroyed any enjoyment of the mirror universe by going there way too many times. The belivability that a different universe having all the same characters in the exact same positions is ludicrous. While Enterprises’ visit was at least a little different (and finding out what happened the the Constitution Defiant was nice) I dread this episode.

    • Dwight Williams

      The complication is that the Mirrorverse knows about the “Prime” ‘verse, but not vice-versa. At least as of 2154, anyway…

      • Keith Melton

        In the grand scheme of things finding out about the mirror verse before Kirk does is no big deal to me. Clearly the spore drive won’t be used anymore in the future so logic dictates it is classified so anything the Discovery does has that same possibility.

        • joh2141

          It could have been concluded that a spore drive be too dangerous AND ethically wrong. It’s episode 4 and we’ve well ventured into the question of ethics when using the Spore Drive. The tardigrade is in visible pain or discomfort when using the drive. Also, the drive itself is EXTREMELY dangerous. One ship that has been hijacked or one rogue ship that defects can do serious damage throughout the entire universe with little ways to enforce/police against. Even if you equipped an entire fleet with the spore drive, how do you keep chasing that which keeps jumping?

          By the end of this series, we may see Michael Burnham be the ethical voice and moral center to put the Spore Drive out of commission. She certainly seems to be erring the side of advocacy for the tardigrade.

    • Angela Filewood

      Actually a near identical universe isn’t as much of statistical outlier as you think.

      • Keith Melton

        I guess for me I would rather see a different universe then the exact same “evil” one over and over.

        • AmiRami

          We could always go back to the one where the Borg asssimilated the Federation. That might be interesting.

    • joh2141

      I get the notion that the chances of people accidentally going into a mirror universe that’s almost exactly the same with minor details changed is bad but that’s not how the concept of multiverse’s work.

      Multiverse would mean there is literally a portrayal of what has happened on our world but with different decisions. Instead of you going left and another person going right, you both took opposite direction or you both went the same direction. Or tehre’s one where you bumped into each other, didn’t even go anywhere and stayed put. There’s one where no humans or life forms were born, there’s one where humans can fly. That’s how it works. Meaning that “believability” is a terrible word here. There is nothing believable about the concept of multiverse’s simply because we have yet to see it/prove it and experience it.

      • Keith Melton

        I’m well versed in how the multiverse works thank you.
        To me the “beliveability” breaks down when you have the same dark universe jumped to between generations.

        For instance: TOS went there first and then ended up changing the course of events in their future. DS9 then went and revisited that concept. What broke down for me is when you have then the same actors portraying their mirror universe counterparts. The chances of ALL of them being born the exact same AND happened to be in the same areas of the galaxy are ridiculous. Enterprise muddied that water even further by doing an earlier instance.

        • TUP

          I can buy the same characters existing…until they were influenced by the Prime Universe (in TOS), at which time, it should have altered the Mirror Universe’s normal trajectory, which it obviously did.

          But its all a bit of fun. And I can buy it.

          Its a shot against the multi-verse theory employed in the JJ films though, to a degree. Whereas there ARE multiple universes, they arent all continual off shoots representing each possible outcome. The Mirror Universe is self contained, just as the Prime Universe is. And you can travel back and forth in time.

          Perhaps Discovery will treat it like Enterprise did and keep it self contained. But I doubt it.

          • Keith Melton

            oh here is an idea….DS9 showed it can happen: Let the ISS Discovery come to the prime. Their drive brings them here because their Ripper is sick of being used for evil. With evil Captain Georgiou commanding forcing Burnham and Saru to make a choice to stop her.

  • anglotopia

    Ugh. I’ve always hated the Mirror Universe episodes.

    • Eric Watson

      I love the one in TOS. I thought the DS9 ones were forced. Mirror Kira was annoying. I’ll wait to see it before being critical of it on Discovery.

    • GhostLoveScore

      Then I would rather see Kardassians, Romulans or Borg as nice guys if they really have to make mirror universe.
      Imagine Borg: “Resistance is futile. From now on we will adapt to serve you. Have a nice day :)”

  • Walter Kovacs

    that has made me even more excited about the rest of the season than i already was! sweet!

  • DC Forever

    “groan”

    I was hoping for more realism this time around.

    • Keith Melton

      In all of my DS9 rewatches (of which I can’t even count) the mirror universe and majority of Ferengi episodes get skipped as quick as possible.

      • AmiRami

        Its funny you say that because the producers purposely introduced the Dominion in a Feregi ep. They were the first Alpha quadrant species to encounter them (if you don’t count Odo).

        • Keith Melton

          I am talking about the later Ferengi episodes. Most past the first time we met Moogi are complete snoozefests.
          And technically, the Ferengi met the Dozai and got connections to the Karemma which then led to the discovery of the Dominion.

          • AmiRami

            I’ll totally admit that most Feregi DS9 eps sucked. But there were 1 or 2 hidden gems. The one where Quark is “selling” arms to criminals, the one where a rag tag bunch of ferengi save moogie from the Dominion on Empok Nor. But I guess in the end none of those can ever make up for the impressively bad decision to make Roswell, NM all about Quark.

          • Keith Melton

            I loved the arms sale episode (Business as Usual)
            That was a nice way to get out of that corner they wrote Quark into.
            But yes, the following Ferengi episode I loathe:
            Little Green Men
            Ferengi Love Songs
            The Magnificent Ferengi
            Profit and Lace
            The Emperor’s New Cloak

            So all told I guess it’s only those 5 I can’t stand. They were just played too much for laughs. A little levity is perfect in the Star Trek world, but those were just way too much.

          • AmiRami

            I agree with hating those 5. And Little Green Men is one of my all time WTF moments in Star Trek.

            Business as usual was great. It highlighted the internal conflict in Quark perfectly and showed just how much he has grown since the federation came to town.

    • Its all in how they do the mirror universe. I always liked something more fascist and not so cartoony “EVIL mahahahahaha!”

  • CAPTAIN D-MAN

    I guess the mirror episode will be dark, gritty and a lot of people will die. Oh wait…

    • Sean Hewitt

      What if Lorca is from the Mirror Universe?

      • Andrew Dixon

        I said the same thing Sean…

  • I can see where this may be going. I am enjoying the “we screwed up” a bit on this one.

  • Fiery Little One

    … Well, how they handle this should be interesting.

  • MeisterOlsen

    Because almost every character on the Discovery seems to be an inhumane monster, I thought the first 4 episodes already played in the mirror universe.

    • No, they are very much human. Well, humans and some aliens. And one humans with emotional abuse and PTSD.

    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      lol exactly.

    • AmiRami

      Captain Philippa Georgiou doesn’t belong in the Mirror Universe at all.

      • Keith Melton

        Its a strong bet that she will be.
        Look at where we saw the ISS Discovery plaque. That was from the photo shoot where Michelle Yeoh was present. That means that photo shoot was done during the filming of the Mirror episode. Since she is not a normal cast member, more than likely she was on set for her Mirror work.

        • AmiRami

          But I doubt her mirror counterpart will be anything like her character from the pilot.

          • Keith Melton

            Duh? Of course she won’t. But she technically will still be Philippa Georgiou.

          • AmiRami

            It will be. But I was speaking more of her persona in the pilot, meaning to say that this version of the character is not a mirror universe character.

  • Rass

    I think I see where this is going. The series takes place in the mirror universe, and they’ll be coming to the original universe soon.

    • Keith Melton

      Not a single fact on the show supports this. Nice try.

    • Nope, its in prime and nothing like the mirror verse.

  • jurassicbond

    Wow, they are sure in a rush to go into a mirror universe while we are all adjusting to this new universe of Trek.

  • Erik

    meh… I never liked the mirror universe much.

    • AmiRami

      It has its fun moments. Truth be told I didn’t like the mirror universe in DS9 where everyone became slaved. But In TOS and ENT is was fun to see evil counterparts to the crews.

  • Dwight Williams

    Mirror Universe infiltration of the UFP?

    Well, since the Empire knew about the Federation before the UFP was even formed per “ENT: In a Mirror, Darkly”…

    • Keith Melton

      Do they though? They have the Defiant from the prime timeline but do they know exactly where it came from? (it’s been along time since I watched that episode so I really don’t remember)

      • Dwight Williams

        Mirror versions of Archer, Sato, etc. knew, because they were able to access the ship’s library computer…

        • Keith Melton

          Right, but its not like the Defiant’s library could tell them which alternate reality it came from.

          • Dwight Williams

            That’s what examining the ship itself in detail – nanoscopic detail – might well give them. And it’s been about a century since the USS Defiant dropped into the Terran Empire’s clutches.

          • Keith Melton

            I think that is stretching it a bit even for how ridiculous the concept of the mirror universe is. (in terms of Star Trek not the concept of the multi-verse)

          • AmiRami

            To be fair, the mirror universe is what we call it, not what they do.

          • Keith Melton

            You are missing my point. The ridiculousness of the mirror universe to me is this: I buy that there is an alternate reality where things are “dark” flips of our own but the odds of EVERY PERSON being the same person yet “evil” is where the ridiculousness comes in. Too many butterfly wing flaps to keep everything the same yet flipped evil.

          • AmiRami

            True but remember in the TOS Mirror ep Spock was not evil himself. He was just under the command of evil. So its kinda funny how “evil twins with goatees” became a thing lol

          • Nowhereman10

            Bingo. Spock was ruthless because he had to be and we saw plenty of examples of characters who weren’t evil but neutral or good.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yea, it’s pretty silly.

      • AmiRami

        Yep, they reviewed the LCARS library on the Defiant (Captain’s quarters)

        • Keith Melton

          But what exactly in the Defiant’s library point them to exactly the prime universe? To them the ship came from somewhere else. They have no point of reference to where exactly it is. All they could tell from that computer is the universe it came from looks exactly like their own (make up of the galaxy) yet has a completely different society. Maybe some sensor data on when the Defiant jumped universes, but that isn’t a guarantee.

          • AmiRami

            I guess it depends on how you define a “mirror” universe. Was their Universe once like ours? Or has it been different since the moment of the Big Bang? If its the former, they have a wealth of infomation to track down where their respective paths went differently. Was it Hitler willing WWII? Khan winning the Eugenics wars? Cochrane killing the first Vulcan visitors to earth in first contact?

          • Keith Melton

            Canon already shows where the mirror universe split from our own. Physical objects (planets, stars, etc) are the same.

          • AmiRami

            where?

          • Keith Melton

            Read up here for all you need: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Terran_Empire

          • AmiRami

            Ok thanks. I think that does suggest WWII

          • Nowhereman10

            Actually, the Mirror Universe goes further back then that, given that Mirror Phlox was reading far enough back that he could make the observation that:

            “I was merely researching classical literature. I wanted to
            compare our major works with their counterparts in the other universe.
            I skimmed a few of the more celebrated narratives. The stories were
            similar in some respects, but their characters were weak and
            compassionate. With the exception of Shakespeare, of course. From what
            I could tell, his plays were equally grim in both universes.”.

            So beyond the founding of the Terran Empire, the differences were already there before even that.

          • AmiRami

            That would make sense to me.

  • Tone

    At least it will be like watching real Trek where Starfleet personnel act normally and not aggressive towards everything.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Lorca will be bald, grumpy and will be constantly lecturing people. Michael will be a hokey ships counselor, but will have a larger bust and a huge hairdo. Stamets will have weird glasses, even though we all know articial eyes are available tech. Tilly will be a doctor, and they will give her an annoying son who gets to run around the ship unsupervised.

      Oh, and Commander Landry is sill alive in the mirror universe, but not to worry, she will get killed off quickly by a puddle of black paint.

      And they will bring in really bad writers to cover the this alternate universe story-line.

  • AmiRami

    I hope they reference Empress Sato. And what was done with the USS Defiant tech.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      This is 100 years before that???

      • AmiRami

        Well ya but still. If an empress took over the United States in 1918 with weapons and ships from 2018 don’t u think we would still be discussing it?

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          I am not following your timeline. Do you meant the original Hoshi Sato, not the third one that Spock killed?

          • AmiRami

            I’m not aware of this 3rd one you are talking about. I am talking about Empress Sato from ENT’s ep In a Mirror Darkly p2

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Ah, that’s the first one – yes. Grand Admiral Spock killed the third one.

          • AmiRami

            When did the events you are talking about happen? This is th first I am hearing of it

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Sorry, there were some mirror universe novels that stitched all of the mirror universe bits and pieces together.

          • AmiRami

            ahhhhh. Any good recommendations? Always looking for some great Trek reads! I’ve only ever read the Khan trilogy

          • The Science Fiction Oracle
          • AmiRami

            thanks!!!