As her first real meaty assignment aboard the Discovery, Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) is tasked by Capt. Lorca (Jason Isaacs) with studying the tardigrade creature found aboard the USS Glenn — which Landry nicknames ‘Ripper’ — to determine how its power and composition can be best weaponized for the war effort.

Burnham learns the creature isn’t simply a vicious monster but the key to getting Lorca and Stamets’ (Anthony Rapp) spore-based drive system to work. In the meantime, Voq (Javid Iqbal) and L’Rell (Mary Chieffo), whose ship and crew have been stranded for six months with fading power and depleted food following “Battle at the Binary Stars,” beam aboard the abandoned USS Shenzhou to retrieve its dilithium chamber in hopes of using it to get T’Kuvma’s ghost ship up and running again.

Captain Lorca (Jason Isaacs) on the USS Discovery bridge. (CBS)

“Butcher’s Knife” finds Star Trek: Discovery committing its first fumble after three promising introductory episodes. To its credit, the episode — with its alien monster mystery, colony in distress jeopardy plot, and final-act deux ex machina that wraps the story up nicely in time for next week’s episode — feels like a true Star Trek story in the traditional, episodic sense.

Burnham’s ability to connect the dots and determine that the creature is the needed ‘supercomputer’ that solves the problems with the new drive system (and also solves some of the lingering mysteries from the Glenn) is an inspired Trekkian revelation. Even Burnham’s apparent empathy for the exploited tardigrade toward the episode’s end fits nicely in the Trek playbook.

Where the episode stumbles, however, it stumbles pretty hard. Some of the decisions make absolutely no sense; chief among them is having security chief Ellen Landry (Rekha Sharma) killed by Ripper in an insipid scene where she frees the creature in order to, as she puts it, “lop off its claws” to find out why it’s so good at killing Klingons.

Commander Landry (Rekha Sharma) studies tardigrade with Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green). (CBS)

I’m not going to say that Landry was the most relatable of characters, but she was set up as an interesting pebble in Burnham’s shoe and a possible ongoing obstacle along Burnham’s path toward assimilation aboard ship, and her obvious devotion to Lorca could have made her an interesting foil down the line — butoffing her in this way so early was just ridiculous. (And does anyone else find it somewhat problematic to confine and then free a powerful creature in a room full of precious weapons and artifacts when there’s a chance he could damage them?)

This week’s plot concerns Corvan 2, a mining colony under attack by the Klingons. The attack provides urgency to get the new transport experiment resolved so that Discovery can fly over to the planet and rescue the inhabitants — and after a false start almost flinging the Crossfield-class ship into a star — Lorca and the Ripper-helmed ship zips over to the colony in a wild visual effect and after destroying the Klingon forces… Discovery zaps away.

We know Lorca is a hardened, battle-worn leader, but not rendering medical aid to a colony that had been under attack for a long span of time, and with confirmed causalities, seems almost criminally negligent.

Saru and Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) enter the Discovery bridge. (CBS)

I’m starting to get a little worried about Saru’s character at this point, and I’m hoping he gets more to do than just show up and remind Burnham of her mutiny aboard the Shenzhou. The show also needs to resolve some questions regarding his relationship with Lorca, a captain who seems to have no thoughts leaving his first officer out of the loop on such a bombshell decision like recruiting Burnham to the war effort.

In “Context is for Kings,” he tells Burnham when he first sees her aboard Discovery that he will do everything he can to protect his new captain. Yet, in “Butcher’s Knife,” he seems almost conflicted about Lorca when he dismissively tells Burnham that her insincerity will ensure she will fit in nicely with Lorca and the crew.

The continuing butting-of-heads between Stamets and Lorca over the efficacy and use of the spore drive remains a satisfying and credible element of character conflict in this new Trek series. Purist fans may wince at the element of blatant conflict within the ranks, but in this context of war, it works.

Lorca may not seem like the type of person who tolerates defiance or insubordination, but he knows he needs Stamets, and Stamets knows this too, at least for now. Could Lorca be grooming Burnham as Stamets’ successor?

Lt. Paul Stamets (Anthony Rapp). (CBS)

With the Klingons being such a crucial element of the story arc in Discovery, it’s painful to have to admit that Voq’s B-plot feels distracting here. The heavy prosthetic makeup isn’t doing the actors many favors, making it difficult to tell if they’re even able to emote through the thick appliances, and the constant use of subtitles — no doubt maintained for authenticity — stands in the way of maintaining viewer investment.

The addition of Kol (Kenneth Mitchell) to the ongoing Klingon storyline adds a little dimension to what has been to this point a series of long scenes of Klingons growling at each other, and L’Rell’s ploy to play on both sides of the fence has potential, but for now it’s still a bit of a chore to get through that half of the plot.

A compelling takeaway from the Klingon element of the episode is L’Rell’s recognition that the survival of the stranded crew will require incorporation of Federation technology, something Voq is reluctant to do at first — though it’s certainly curious that Starfleet left the Shenzhou floating about the binary system with functional Federation technology intact.

L’Rell (Mary Chieffo) aboard the frozen, abandoned Shenzhou. (CBS)

One has to wonder if the writers were suggesting that survival, in the broader sense, will rest on the ability of the two cultures to integrate and co-exist… something we know will ultimately happen with the Klingons and Federation.

With L’Rell’s ominous warning that Voq must sacrifice “everything” to follow her guidance to the matriarchs of Mo’Kai, hopefully this side of the tale will pick up some steam soon.

Star Trek: Discovery returns this Sunday with episode five: “Choose Your Pain.” Watch for our ongoing Canon Connections series to continue later this week as we look for the ties to Trek‘s past in this most recent episode!

Rob Heyman is a freelance journalist and entertainment critic. He is a regular contributor to both TrekCore and The Logbook, where he has written episode reviews of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Voyager, and the Star Trek movies.

  • Thomas Mossman

    The Klingons are under heavy makeup, but rewatch the scene between Voq and L’Rell in the Shenzhou reactor room. Mary Chieffo does so much acting through her eyes; a rare moment of subtlety for characters that are broad by nature.

    • SpaceCadet

      Agreed, even if there faces are under thick rubber or other that prevents facial expressions, a lot can still be coveyed through the eyes.

    • M33

      Best I can figure is that this type of Klingon gets wiped out in a massive racial war between now and TOS.
      Best in-canon idea I can come up with why we’ve never seen them.

      • julius hibert

        “Sacrifice everything!!” So whats the most important thing to a Klingon ….. its being a Klingon!

        are goint to Transorm VOQ into a human with the augment Virus. Voq and
        some others. They have to infiltrate starfleet to steal tec!
        This Provied Human Klingons for TOS in the face of the obvious already cured Klingons of DSC.

        Human-Voq learns to understand starfleet more and helps forging a cease fire thats lasts until Undiscovered Country!

        Canon saved!

        • M33

          My thoughts as well.
          But only till Errand of Mercy TOS.

        • A_Warrior_of_Marley

          They don’t need to do that. Just have Voq follow T’Kumva’s lead and take in other outcasts, in this case the Klingons affected by the Human augment virus and there’ll be no problems at all with canon.

          • If they use that stupid story and do not retcon it out as they should, I hope they use TNG Klingon as the augments lol

      • Maarten Geurts

        Leave that up to the tribbles….

      • This is what klingons always looked like. There was no type until the joke basef ENT retcon.

    • jerr

      I can’t look at eyes reading non-stop sub-titles… lol. I have to pause and back up those scenes every week. It’s tiring when they are on screen and at this point. I’m like.. “oh no.. not klingons again”.

    • Quonk

      Mary Chieffo does so much acting through her eyes; a rare moment of subtlety for characters that are broad by nature.

      Absolutely! Mary Chieffo manages to pull off what her “Klingon” co-stars are still struggling with: Conveying emotion through both, the visible parts of her face and the tone of her voice, whereas other “Klingon” actors are seemingly still trying to work out how to speak through those prosthetic teeth.
      Note however, that in Chieffo’s case, there’s actually still more of an actual face visible through all that makeup, whereas her male co-stars seem to be wearing substantially heavier/more intrusive makeup (the nose pieces and eyebrow ridges for example. Voq must have literally no peripheral vision).

  • Landry was a hothead, and she died the way that hotheads die. I thought the episode had her die the way she did partly as a cautionary tale, partly to isolate Lorca, which will up the stakes of his interactions with Stanmets and Burnham.

    • M33

      She died in the worst stupid-writing way imaginable.
      It was lazy lazy writing.
      At least Yar died trying to save someone.

      • Victorinox

        I don’t get why people are upset with this death. I mean, this is Star Trek, the show that literally invented “red shirts” and made pointless deaths a regular occurrence.

        Landry was just another red shirt. Move on.

        • Same, they both claim its not star trek, then when it does the most star trek thing ever, they get upset.

          • A_Warrior_of_Marley

            You can’t please everyone, so sometimes you just have to focus on pleasing the relative majority, which based on the numbers, it seems Discovery is doing.

          • That was ENT’s mistake, trying to go after a tiny subset that was never gonna be happy.

          • A_Warrior_of_Marley

            True and at least some of that minority I’ve found is still trying way too hard hate the newer Trek as a desperate way to hold onto their long lost youth. It’s tough, I don’t like growing older and watching the world change, sometimes for the worse, but it is a true thing and you either except it and deal it or you hide in a little dream.

            Now this doesn’t mean that new Trek productions should totally throw out all the old stuff, but updating things can be done as we’ve seen in ENT and now in DSC. Doing the brief episodes that pay homage to the older material by building temporary remakes of the sets and models is fine, for a limited time, but to keep using those indefinitely for a long term show borders on just plain silliness. The only other place this seems to work is in fan productions where you are not trying to make money (well, not unless you’re Alec Peters) and you are doing it as a labor of love and a hobby. But even those productions have had to do some level of updating because the old 1960s sets just no longer hold up to scrutiny in the new era of high definition. It’s also why in the 1970s, the Star Trek: Phase II sets and models had to be scrapped or rebuilt when Paramount decided to revamp it into The Motion Picture. Those sets just wouldn’t have held up.

          • I agree and to be frank, this is the kinda update I wanted with the looks. I may have went another way with the uniforms, but we all have our own ideas of how we would update the uniforms lol.

          • A_Warrior_of_Marley

            The uniforms is one thing I’ll agree on there, but I guess it was done to circumvent issues with Paramount’s Kelvin Timeline movies which did a great job reimagining the old TOS uniforms. What we have now in DSC I’d have loved if it was done as an in-between ENT and TOS uniform worn almost exclusively by the Shenzhou crew who are supposed to be on a very old ship that is still canonically stated to have a mix of phase cannons and phasers. Lorca and the Discovery crew should’ve shown up with an updated transition for “The Cage” and TOS uniforms.

            Oh well.

          • I am pretty sure Kelvin was why the uniforms update was not gonna happen. They could not do it the same way and they wanted no ties to the Kelvin movies because the “fans” hated them, even if they made a killing at the movies

        • M33

          A cliche in my book is no excuse for lazy writing.

          Plus, traditional TOS redshirts were often 1 episode security officers, never people of considerable rank.
          This was an attempt to try to be like Game of Thrones in killing off seemingly important characters to show “unpredictability”.

          At least the actress can say shes been in both Continues and Discovery.

          • Victorinox

            Just because you didn’t like it, doesn’t mean it is “lazy”.

            If anything, this death is the opposite. This shows that, unlike prior Star Trek incarnations, there are consequences for actions. Nobody in the ship is invincible.

            We kinda knew that Cap. Giorgio would die in the pilot, so that came as a surprise to no one. But this raises the stakes. Who will be next? Maybe Captain Lorca will order Stamets to do something and boom, he’s dead. Or maybe Tilly will be the next casualty.

            We knew very well nobody on the Enterprise would ever die. Other than Tripp, the only time main characters died was because actors wanted out of the show (Tasha or Jadzia). In every other occasion, they always left the door open for a come back (Spock, or Data). Not THAT is lazy.

      • porpoisehork

        True, but I was just glad to see it happen. I dislike both Landry and the actress who played her (even going back to Battlestar). Best part of the episode.

    • James

      I think Lorca bears some responsibility, he was pushing too hard for results….and damn the consequences. He almost flew his ship into the sun, he was pushing so hard.

  • iamawild

    I don’t think that I would call anything in this episode a ‘stumble’, that’s a pretty subjective statement.
    I’m enjoying the new series, and it’s only ‘flaw’, if you can call it that is that I have to wait an entire week between episodes. Other than that, the series is fresh, it is unique, it is well thought out and it is paying attention to details. The only thing that scares me is that all the nit-picking of the details will cause the premature end of this series. I hope that never happens.
    To those of you who have given us this new series, the writers, the actors, the support people who help to put it all together…..thank you. May you (and we) have many more seasons of Discovery to come.

    • Thomas Elkins

      The show isn’t terrible and I’ve enjoyed what I’ve seen, but fresh and unique it is not. The type of propulsion they’re using was already done on Voyager with the USS Equinox. The whole morality with “do what ever it takes to win the war” aspect was already done on Deep Space Nine as well. So far they haven’t really done anything that Star Trek hasn’t done before.

      The season isn’t even close to being over yet, obviously, but so far it hasn’t blown me away.

      • SpaceCadet

        The type of propulsion being used on the Discovery is not the same as what the Equinox was using in the ST: VOY episodes. The former is a spore drive while the latter was still traveling with traditional warp engines. What is similar between the episodes is the concept that an alien is being exploited in order to make the respective starships travel through space.

        • Thomas Elkins

          “What is similar between the episodes is the concept that an alien is
          being exploited in order to make the respective starships travel through

          Which is what I was referencing.

          • SpaceCadet

            You said “the type of propulsion” though which is not the same thing and why I pointed it out.

          • Thomas Elkins

            Don’t try to overcomplicate things. I specifically referenced the starship Equinox, which should have clued you into what I was referencing.

          • SpaceCadet

            I wouldn’t say striving for accuracy is over complicating things and I’ll leave it at that.

      • Matthew Burns

        Equinox was an 80 minute episode from 1999. Hardly fair to say that Discovery is retreading that ground.

        • Thomas Elkins

          Why not? That’s exactly what it’s doing. It’s hardly fair to call a show fresh and unique when it’s neither of those things. It doesn’t matter how old Voyager is, the fact of the matter is it’s Star Trek and it already told this story. Just because Discovery is going to drag the plot out for a whole season, instead of a two-part episode, doesn’t make it fresh.

          • Matthew Burns

            Maybe this is a similar species to the one seen in Voyager? Maybe explore it more then!

    • SpaceCadet

      Of course everything in this review is a subjective statement…because it’s a review! And I agree with the flaws as mentioned. Doesn’t mean I am enjoying this series any less though.

  • Perplexum

    The Klingon story so far, is Discovery’s equivalent to Game of Thrones’ “Danearys roaming around in Essos”. You just want to fast forward those parts to be in Westeros/on the Discovery again. I wouldn’t mind if they’ll kill of Voq as well. He’s as boring of a character as T’Kuvma. Maybe all that will change when Kol gets a bigger role, he seems more promising.

  • Thomas Elkins

    The actors are great, but the Klingon make up is definitely too restricting. I don’t understand why they tried to fix something that wasn’t broken. I don’t care what anyone says, Discovery ruined the Klingons. I still think they can save them though, they just need to introduce the other Klingons back into the story.

    As for the episode itself, it was ok but the ending was really anti-climactic. They spent the entire episode talking about this colony under heavy fire and in typical tv show fashion, their shield drops just in time for the Discovery to swoop in and save the day. And are you telling me this colony was under heavy fire from like, three Birds-of-Prey? The Discovery showed up and blew away all these ships single handed and disappeared so quick, it’s hard to believe the colony was in as much danger as they claimed it was. And why leave? I thought you were there to help the colony?

    It would have been a lot better if the colony was destroyed. Then Lorka could have been like “Had you done your job we could have saved these people” and then Burnham and Stamets could have had that moment of “were we wrong not to do this?” That would have been pretty interesting. Instead the Discovery showed up like Batman and disappeared after saving the day the people were literally like “who saved us?” It was THE PHANTOM STARSHIP! Trademark.

    I’m just not buying the whole Federation-Klingon War. There was absolutely no build up to it. “We haven’t spoken to the Klingons in a hundred years; OMG WE’RE AT WAR!” That was pretty much it. At least there were two seasons of Enterprise before the Xindi conflict. There were two seasons of DS9 before the Dominion appeared and five seasons before they actually went to war. That’s where all of our character development was. When the war started we already cared for these people, but instead we’re introduced to hot headed security officers who seem interesting and then die before we can get to know them.

    It really is trying to be “edgy” like modern shows. We don’t need Game of Thrones in Space.

    • xithus

      I agree with all of this.

      Discovery appears, blows up two birds of prey in less than 1 second and then makes a song and dance about the remaining 3. For me personally I think the writers are forgetting that the ships are characters as well. Birds of prey are not tie fighters.

    • M33

      I’ve written this series off as no more canon than TAS is.
      Its a whole other sci fi series with Trek slapped on it really. Where’s the optomistic people? Can’t find them anywhere. Even ENTs characters were more aspirational.
      Others love this reinvention of Trek.
      I am not one.
      And I had really high hopes for a series set in the TOS era…
      Ah well.
      After 51 years of good treks that honored each other, we were due for a outlier eventually that ditched the “if it is on screen, its canon” rule.

      I’ve canceled my CBSAA subscription.
      Can’t follow this Trek… : (

    • Victorinox

      “were we wrong not to do this?”

      Sorry but this is pretty weak. I am glad they saved the colony and now will have to deal with “were we wrong TO DO this? Exploiting or not another species makes for a much for interesting ethical dilemma.

      • Thomas Elkins

        How is it weak? It still forces them to address the same moral dilemma. Right now though it’s going on the path of incredibly predictable. This is bad, we shouldn’t do this. That’s how the Equinox episode of Voyager also handled the dilemma. Obviously that’s what’s going to happen because not only is this Star Trek and we know they’re not going to tolerate exploiting an alien like this, but they also still use traditional warp in future series. If Discovery wants to do something different from the Voyager episode, then they shouldn’t treat the dilemma so black and white. Let’s see the characters actually consider Lorca’s point of view and question what’s more important, being moral enough not to harm a lower life form or saving billions of lives.

        Technically they can still do that now, but I think it would have been more interesting had billions of lives actually been lost. Then Lorca could have pointed out that her moral high ground just cost the lives of an entire Federation colony. Not only that, but it would have given the Klingons some teeth. The Discovery saving the colony by blowing up a handful of Birds-of-Prey was seriously anti-climactic. How long did it take them to assault the colony? Hours? Days? Weeks? I don’t remember if they said, but it took like 10 seconds to end the threat. That’s incredibly lame and weakens the Klingons as a credible threat to me. Had the Klingons succeeded in conquering the colony however, well then that would have given our characters something real to think about.

  • Wildcat30

    I like the new Klingons. I’m interested in them again for the first time in awhile.

    I’d be bored as heck if the TNG/DS9 makeup and costumes were recycled here.

    Let the Klingons be scary and alien again. I was intrigued with T’Kuvma’s story.

    • Alex Gunn

      Like the redesign but the actors suffer from lack of mobility around the head and teeth affect speech. Not sure why they didn’t fully fix that with ADR

      • I’m not convinced the makeup *is* affecting the actors’ speech — that’s how Klingon is *supposed* to be pronounced, according to Marc Okrand’s Klingon Dictionary (from 1985!).

        Klingon “S” is somewhere between English “s” and “sh”; Klingon “D” is pronounced with the tongue further back from the teeth than English “d”.

        • If ya go and watch TMP they speak like this.

          • A_Warrior_of_Marley

            Klingonese was invented by the late great James “Scotty” Doohan, so blame him since that way of speaking was what Marc had to go on for the language used from Search for Spock onward.

          • I simply do not get the complaint. You can go back and watch TMP and later movies and see them speak just like this.

    • Starshipdown

      I too would’ve been pissed off if the show had gone with another rehash of the old and worn out make up and costumes. I love the fact that we are indeed seeing the actual differences here rather than the show falling back on reusing all of T’Kumva’s follower’s red and spikey outfits.

      Kol’s uniform looks like something that could evolve towards the TMP and later TNG uniforms.

      • Yeah I wanna see more of those houses in the hologram, those where interesting

        • Nowhereman10

          People keep complaining about the mono-cultures seen in Star Trek and other science fiction shows and then when it is shown, as it is now because the budget allows, you wind up with more complaints because “canon!” and “continuity!”. Hopefully DSC will have the budget to show other mook warriors with those other Great Houses uniforms.

          • Maybe, We know they have them and I really wanna see some of those.


    When the season is over somebody should make a “Mmm, whatcha say?” montage.

  • Alex Gunn

    Review nitpick: Discovery is a Crossfield-class starship. Shenzou was the Walker-class.

    • Keith Melton

      It is also “battle-worn” and not “battle-warn”

  • SpaceCadet

    I do feel Saru can do everything in his power to protect his captain as he stated to Burnham, while at the same time thinking Lorca is a dishonest person. They aren’t mutually exclusive concepts.

  • SpaceCadet

    One thing that I feel this series is successful at so far is that even though there is heavy serialization and an overriding arc, that each episode stands on its own as being self-contained and episodic where something notable happens. The first two episodes I feel are really like one premiere episode like “Encounter at Farpoint” or “Emissary” but that were split it up solely for marketing reasons. “Context…” was basically the second pilot for DSC in which Burnham arrives where all the future action takes place and meeting most of the new crew, and “The Butcher…” is memorable for getting the spore drive to work successfully and solving the mystery of the tardigrade’s role in that. And it helps that every episode has a unique title which keeps with Trek tradition rather than calling episodes “Chapter One, Two, etc.” like some other serialized television shows do which makes it hard to recall what happened without a more descriptive title.

  • II can’t help but laugh any time I see an American who complains about having to read subtitles. That’s so cute, really. But you know what? We, as in: the rest of the non-English speaking world, have to read them all the time watching your movies and your TV series and yet somehow we manage 😉 Just saying.

    • Jaro Stun

      no we don’t, we learn to speak english

      • Yeah, sure, some of us do. But most don’t, and even if they do, it’s not always easy to understand dialogues uttered by some of the cast members (with “Battlestar Galactica” being the prime example), not to mention the fact that this is a sci-fi show, full of more or less scientific language.

        • Brian_Brodrick

          Some people learning to speak a language is great, as it helps you to understand the very subtle contexts involved rather than having to strain to read a good subtitling or having to lose something important in the translation to fit the dialog.

    • Keith Melton

      As an american I too must laugh at my fellow whiners. Years of watching anime and foreign films have got me reading subtitles quickly. So much that I actually turn them on for english language shows as well. It ends up helping on many shows where audio is not up to spec (or badly balanced to make action pop) so I don’t miss anything.

    • Also american who watches anime, I don’t get the whining either. I have watched Spanish stuff with my wife with the captains on( she dosn;t need it) It is not that big a deal.

      • A_Warrior_of_Marley

        I’m an anime and manga reader (hint in my nick there) where because I don’t want to wait for the official translations, I’ve spent a great deal of time learning to speak and read other languages. It’s fun seeing if your translation matches up with those of so-called professional nature.

        • I sometimes write myself emails using google translate( into Spanish) just to mess with her lol

          • A_Warrior_of_Marley

            As long as it’s in good humor and doesn’t get you into the dog house. 😛

          • I can feel her eye rolls over here lol. I did try to learn Spanish, I just don’t have a knack for it, can’t roll the r’s and have a bit too much a southern accent for it to work well for me. She once threw something at me and told me to stop mangling her language lol

    • Victorinox

      ^^ This ^^

      I watched all prior incarnations with subtitles before learning english. Didn’t have a problem then. Don’t have a problem now.

      The language just makes the Klingons more alien.

    • Brian_Brodrick

      I’m American and I also have read subtitles for many reasons since whether it’s anime or a European show, I do like sometimes hearing and seeing things in the native language since it is less clunky than with dubbing over and then the dialog having to be altered to fit the motion of the character/actor’s mouth.

    • Nowhereman10

      While I don’t have a problem with reading subtitles, I know other people who do and it is a bit arrogant to assume that everyone who has issues with subtitles is an American. I know plenty of people who are Asian, Canadian, Australian, or European who have the same issue as well.

    • AmiRami

      I don’t hate reading subtitles per se. And I respect the fact that the Klingons on this show don’t actually speak English to the audience. But I will say there are times where there is so much dialog on screen that you end up missing some wanted or even necessary visual details. Your eyes can only focus on so much at once.

  • Matthew Burns

    I think there is room for a little patience. The first season is where we as viewers get to know our characters (Remember how Data, Worf, Riker, Geordi and so on were after about 5 episodes – fairly rough and dry in places – and then look at them by Season 4 or 5, and then even 6 and 7- so much richer), and the actors, too, get to find their characters. A bit of wooden dialogue and dodgy design can be tolerated. I think the early signs are promising. This show could get very good.

  • julius hibert

    They are goint to Transorm VOQ into a Human with the Augment Virus. Voq and some others. They have to infiltrate Starfleet to steal Tec!
    This Provied Human Klingons for TOS in the face of the obvious already cured Klingons of DSC.

    Human-Voq learns to understand Humand more and helps forging a Cease Fire thats lats until Undiscovered Country!

    Canon saved!

  • Spin-El

    anyone else notice how many commanders are on the Discovery (or am I mistaken and some of them are lieutenant commanders?) Its pretty weird in my opinion. I feel like Commander Landry had to go to, partly because of this. I understand why some might be upset that her death gets rid of a possible compelling storyline, but it doesn’t really bother me killing her this early on in the series. Plus, there’s plenty of other characters to have stories about, especially with main characters still to be revealed.

    • Keith Melton

      The only Commanders I can recall on Discovery have been Saru and Landry. All other officers have been Ensigns, Lts, and Lt Commanders.

  • Honestly, I have to say I do not get the complaints on the Klingon makeup. I can see them emote just fine, even “eyebrow” movements. And after some research, I do not think even the teeth are causing issue as they speak like this in TMP. And I mean JUst freaking like this.

  • Victorinox

    “We know Lorca is a hardened, battle-warn leader, but not rendering medical aid to a colony that had been under attack for a long span of time, and with confirmed causalities, seems almost criminally negligent.”

    Or pretty consistent with the behavior of a Section 31 ship that is doing some hush hush stuff…

    He made no contact with the ground, and made sure to spore-jump out of there before the colonist could even see him. Section 31 stuff alright 🙂

    • TUP

      He also knew help was coming shortly.

  • Fiery Little One

    Yeah, Landry was reckless.

    • Ya know, people do things like this in real life. I have seen well trained people get cocky and gun ho and do some really stupid and dangerous things.

      • Brian_Brodrick

        I’ve seen this issue come up time and time again where entertainment is concerned; what is real vs what is believable. Is it realistic that something like this happens to people in the military and police? You betcha! Read the news or history! Do people watching from the outside as they follow those actions find it believable as they watch someone hot-headedly blunder into the situation? No. Which is why we sometimes get unrealistic characters to soothe the audience.

        • I know Military and Police folks, I have heard enough stories and see the results to know this thing happens. You get cocky, you can handle anything and you get reckless and careless because this needs done now.

          I knew a guy who lost a finger working on a car. Rated mechanic, not a part time shade tree type. He got in a hurry and got careless and did something he had done a dozen times, but got his finger caught in a belt or something and off it went.

        • A_Warrior_of_Marley

          Sometimes such things have more far reaching and serious repercussions; the sinking of the RMS Titanic, as an example. The shear number of mistakes and other coincidences that lead to the ship striking the iceberg and the loss of over 1500 lives is truly and utterly staggering. Some people have such a hard time wrapping their minds around it that they go off and start inventing wild conspiracy theories about how it was all a deliberate scheme to get insurance money… which makes even less sense than the whole thing being an accident.

          • What is that saying? “Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity”

          • Nowhereman10

            If you want to see that kind of special crazy in action, there are several videos about the Titanic on YouTube where the commentary thread has been hijacked by trolls and the genuinely insane that do nothing but push the Robin Gardiner “theory” that the Olympic and Titanic were switched and one sunk deliberately for the insurance and or because J.P. Morgan conspired to go through a convoluted scheme to get rid of a few wealthy and influential people who opposed the creation of the U.S. Federal Reserve.

      • Fiery Little One

        I grant that, but this almost had me wonder how she made it to commander if that was how she worked.

        • Oh no, the longer you go, often the more cocky you get. The idea you can do anything builds and becomes like a shield. Talk to some military folks, some of the vets who have “seen things” do some of the most reckless things at some of the oddest times.

          And often, they come though fine, which builds this idea that you are too good to fail.

          • Fiery Little One


          • Just saying man. I know too many of those types of folks to think her actions are unrealistic.

          • Fiery Little One

            Oh I know, if I thought what happened was unrealistic I would have said so.

          • So many have said that and I just want to roll my eyes lol.

          • Fiery Little One


  • Andrew Scott

    Watching this episode reminded me of a Star Wars: The Clone Was episode, can’t remember the episode name kind of same idea with the creature.

  • Eric Watson

    I understand why we review individual episodes. It’s fun, and makes us think. We can debate it. But I’m not sure a fair review can be done until the season is over. I wish this was released in one shot like Netflix does with its Marvel shows. This really is one long movie. How would you write a review for the first sequence of a movie? You can’t really, because you don’t know how it ends, what future things are being set up, or what the ultimate goal of the story is. In my opinion, if it is fun to watch each week, the show is doing its job. If not, then it isn’t. There seems to be a pretty wide devide between the lovers and haters of this show to say the least.

    • Brian_Brodrick

      Well, between the two extreme sides there’s a wide divide. There are however varying middle grounds here and many of them are on the fence so to speak on whether they are hating or liking the show.

      Although I do like Discovery, I do have some problems with nit picky stuff here and there, but it does not dampen my enjoyment of it over all. However with Orville, I’m very much on the fence and as much as I want to like it I’m conflicted because as others have noted, the series cannot decide what it wants to be. So I have to ask myself often if I want to sit through it and for how much longer before I give up on it.

  • Snap

    On the Starfleet side of things, this was a good episode with a decent amount of development of the story as well as getting to know the characters. Burnham seems to be a character which makes gains only to take steps back, as evident how she manipulated Saru in order to gauge his threat ganglia in regards to the tardigrade. Was she sincere in her apology to Saru, or was it all just a ploy to prove that Ripper isn’t an inherent danger to the ship and crew? That is the question, as she didn’t come across as remorseful for putting Saru in that position, just coldly saying it was necessary.

    But her actions did save lives on Corvan II, at the cost of further driving the wedge between her and Saru. I imagine it will take a lot to heal that relationship, provided the damage isn’t already irreparable.

    On the Klingon side… ugh. They should just have them speak English as the delivery of the Klingon language is horrendous. It’s so wooden and stilted, it doesn’t even sound like Klingon and they barely even act Klingon, with Kol behaving more like a Romulan than a Klingon, manipulating Voq and backstabbing him while he’s off the ship.

    These Klingons are also pretty damned inept. It has been six months since the battle and all they’ve really managed to to is duct tape the neck back in place and run through whatever supplies they had, including eating the body of Captain Georgiou. The question is were they out of food when they devoured her, as I highly doubt they would be out of supplies when they had only recently arrived in the area before the battle erupted. If they were already running low on supplies, then T’Kuvma was just as inept an idiot for putting his ship and crew into such a situation.

    Six months without warp capability, yet still the ability to communicate but none of the other Klingons could be bothered to provide assistance for their new “Messiah’s” ship, the only Klingon ship in possession of a cloaking device? Kol, like the aforementioned wannabe-Romulan that he is, only showed up and manipulated Voq because he wanted the cloaking technology for himself, but still… six months?

    But they can still attack Corvan II? The Klingons are insipid and inept and far too much time is wasted on them when we could be getting more screen time for more interesting characters on the Discovery.

    Now, speaking of Corvan II, they supply 40% of the Federation’s dilithium yet the Klingons can just dispatch whatever apparently meager amount of ships are protecting this valuable resource? If T’Kuvma’s ship is the only Klingon ship which is capable of cloaking, how did such a Klingon attack force travel through Federation space to even be able to reach Corvan II? I’ve tried finding Corvan II on the star charts but all I’ve been able to discern is it is not on the edge of the border with Klingon space.

    What was the deal with the Klingon makeup in this episode? It certainly wasn’t present in the premiere, but all of the Klingons had a goofy Cheron-like split of half of their bodies being a green colour, split right down the center just like Commissioner Bele and Lokai in “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield” and, what made it an even more apt comparison is Voq and Kol were green on opposite sides.

  • LeVar Lopez

    I was delighted that a cliched and one-note character liked Landry was killed in surprising red-shirt fashion, so I will endeavor to never again read reviews by one Rob Heyman.