Sunday’s Star Trek: Discovery episode, “Context is for Kings” had a lot of impressive Easter eggs and connections to the broader Star Trek canon. From an extremely obscure reference from to The Animated Series to an Enterprise deep-cut, it’s clear the Discovery writers know their Trek!

1. Cold in All The Wrong Places

While we haven’t seen the blue-skinned aliens on-screen yet, Discovery continues to  reference the Andorians in this episode from the first scene aboard the prisoner transport.

Later in the episode, when Burnham is experiencing the spore drive, Lorca makes a reference to “the moons of Andoria,” a place we visited in Star Trek: Enterprise episode “The Aenar.”

2. Lorca’s Menagerie

We end the episode in Captain Lorca’s private laboratory in the lower decks of Discovery, where he’s secretly keeping the giant tardigrade creature rescued from the USS Glenn.

On display in Lorca’s collection are several creatures seen in Trek’s future: a full-size Gorn skeleton, and on central examination table is a pair of deceased of Cardassian voles — plus a second Tribble, dissected for study.

3. Takes Years to Master

Landry comments on Michael Burnham’s impressive display of Vulcan martial arts, which Burnham confirms it’s the Suus Manha fighting style — first introduced to the ‘Star Trek’ universe in “Maurauders,” part of Star Trek: Enterprise’s second season.

T’Pol was also trained in Suus Manha, and taught the technique to a group of colonists being harassed by Klingon privateers in the episode.

4. “Blueberries?”

The USS Discovery’s mess hall has food synthesizers, similar to the devices seen in The Original Series. When Saru and Burnham first converse on Discovery, Saru is eating blueberries from a bowl.

Burnham remarks that the blueberries taste better than the ones in prison, and Saru attributes that to the surrounding rather than the quality of the food synthesizer.

5. Captain Lorca’s Office

Captain Lorca’s office is sparsely decorated, with a standing desk and a pet tribble. In addition, the wall of the office features a map showing the borders of Federation and Klingon space.

The map, which includes visible references to Archanis and Mempha sectors, follows closely the maps in Star Trek: Star Charts and Star Trek: Stellar Cartography. Archanis is under Klingon control in this timeframe, but is part of Federation territory by the era of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

6. Data on Disk

During her first encounter with Lt. Stamets, the scientist provides Burnham with a square computer disk made of translucent yellow plastic; Lorca also has a disk rack on the desk in his ready room.

These are clearly an homage — nicely updated — to the Original Series’ solid plastic computer disks (also seen in Enterprise’s “In a Mirror, Darkly”) used for sharing information between Enterprise duty stations.

7. Zee-Magnees

Lt. Stamets and his counterpart aboard the USS Glenn discuss winning the Zee-Magnees Prize, a Nobel-level scientific award in the Federation.

The first known Trek recipient of the prize was Dr. Richard Daystrom (above), featured in the Original Series episode “The Ultimate Computer,” as well as Dr. Ira Graves from TNG’s “The Schizoid Man.”

8. Down in the Tubes

It wouldn’t be a Federation starship without Jeffries tubes, and Burnham uses the intra-ship access tunnels to lead the monster aboard the USS Glenn on a chase, allowing the away team to get back to the shuttle with their scientific findings.

9. Amanda’s Influence

While being chased through the Jeffries tube on board the USS Glenn, Burnham recites a portion of Alice in Wonderland; later she shares with Tilly that her foster mother, Amanda Grayson, read the book to her and “[Amanda’s] son” as a child.

We have to give credit to Aaron Harvey for first recognizing the connection to the Animated Series’ “Once Upon a Planet” — where Spock shares that his mother was “particularly fond of Lewis Carroll’s work.”

10. The Preservers

One of the most surprising images from the final sequence this episode was the return of a structure not seen since 1968: a Preservers obelisk as seen on planet Amerind in “The Paradise Syndrome.”

While the one seen in the Original Series was constructed in a lush forested area of Amerind, the one in Burnham’s experience appears in a wide-open wetlands, clearly indicating a different location than the one seen in the classic Trek episode.

11. Around the Galaxy

As Lorca sends Burnham through her trip through the spore drive, he calls out a number of familiar destinations, including Romulus and “the moons of Andoria” — and we see familiar sights from around Federation space: Starbase 11 (from “Court Martial”) and what seems to be the mining colony on Janus VI (“The Devil in the Dark).”

We can’t wait to see what else Star Trek: Discovery‘s writers bring to the table in this weekend’s new episode, “The Butcher’s Knife Cares Not for the Lamb’s Cry.” Keep your eyes peeled for more canon connections in the future!

  • As nice it may be that Discovery cites from canon, it is not the same as sticking to canon. Canon should not be a pool for Easter eggs, but an obligation to adhere to established facts (which includes visual facts) wherever possible. Some people seem to forget that, among the production people as well as among the fans.

    I like this list. But I find it extremely unfair that people who compile lists of Easter eggs always receive unanimous praise, whereas people who compile lists of continuity errors are put down as “haters”.

    • Turd Ferguson’s Doggy

      Hater!!!!!

      😉

      • You know, haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate hate. 😉

    • mr joyce

      ”….I like this list. But I find it extremely unfair that people who compile lists of Easter eggs always receive unanimous praise, whereas people who compile lists of continuity errors are put down as “haters”……”

      i guess it depends on how its put across, personally i welcome analyses of both sides, but i dont like the holier than thou types if you know what i mean. it seems that those who point out errors, generally, are not usually genuineky trying to criticise constructively, in my view.

      • Agreed. I try to remain reasonable and adjust my views when necessary. I know some “haters” don’t. But I also know of people who all out reject any criticism about Discovery.

        • mr joyce

          youre right on that one

    • Your Worst Nightmare

      If I may be so bold, it’s not the criticism itself. I can respect criticism. I can respect wishing a holding to canon. What I can’t respect is not accepting there are other viewpoints and that anyone who doesn’t hold to someone’s viewpoint is 100% wrong. (I’m not attacking you, specifically, Bernd. Just making commentary on what I’ve seen.)

      To that end, I enjoy your work on EAS, Bernd, but canon and technology aren’t the most important thing in Trek to everyone. I would rather a good story take precedence over following so closely 51 years of canon that it hinders storytelling. (You can make the argument that Discovery is not a good story if you choose. I am still intrigued.) Canon can be a valuable tool in order to create a rich tapestry. It can also be a hinderance to sticking so closely to what has been told before.

      It doesn’t also help that there are YEARS of inconsistencies in Star Trek that we easily ignore or explain away in previous iterations but always seem to take down in whatever current series is on the air. For example, an argument on TrekBBS regarding Burnham being the first Starfleet mutineer conflicts with a line from Spock in “Turnabout Intruder” suggesting no mutiny had been recorded aboard a Federation starship. However, Spock himself had been involved in two mutinies aboard the Enterprise — in “The Menagerie” and “This Side of Paradise.” How quickly he forgets. The point is: the inconsistency existed prior to Discovery.

      You can say TOS was a different time for television production and they didn’t stay too close to internal continuity. You can say that Spock doesn’t count them because they were under the influence of other entities or they weren’t kept. The point is there were two mutinies. On the Enterprise. That the man making the comment was a part of. They were recorded. It is therefore an inconsistency. But we’re okay with that?

      I mean no disrespect. Just giving my $0.02.

      • Fair enough. It is good to have an open discussion on such issues, without certain people all out rejecting canon and ridiculing fellow fans who care. I agree that some of the “haters” are unreasonable too.

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          The great thing about Star Trek is that it IS so many things to do many different people. It’s sad that some, no matter what part of Trek they find most appealing are so quick to tear down beliefs that aren’t theirs.

          Kinda goes against IDIC, doesn’t it?

          • archer923

            So, because continuity errors in the visual and story parts of Star
            Trek have happened before. It makes it okay to keep doing them. So that stories can be made. I get your side. But while you don’t care about
            those things. Many people do. Is that fair? When shows make these type of changes. For me, it signals that they don’t really care about the
            shows consistency. So why should I watch a series that drastically changes things when they see fit?

            Here’s a question. Why was it so important to redesign the Klingon’s. But yet, the obelisk from Syndrome is 100% retained. What makes that okay, but not the Klingon’s. Everyone always says it’s because story purposes. I’m really talking about the long run. When Discovery is done and over. These designs now are apart of the show. They just come and go, within this time frame only. This cannot be avoided.

            The thing with the change from TOS to TMP’s. It was far less drastic. They added on top of the original look. Ridges and longer curly hair. It’s a big change. But not so much that people go “What the #$#%” The core elements of TOS’ Klingon’s are there.

            Here, only ridges are there. Another thing. If you count TOS
            & TAS. The original Klingon design was featured for only 5 years, sparingly. VS TMP-ENT. That is over 30+ years. We had two stars that
            where Klingon. We had six films feature Klingon’s. Plus heavily influential characters. Like Kaylar, Gowron, and the Duras sisters. So they where heavily focused. The new looks fight all this information that people have had up to this point. That’s why it’s a big deal.

            While Star Trek is changing things left and right. Battlefront II has a CGI Admiral Akbar talking on your HUD. Looking just like the crummy mouth head puppet he is. And no one bats an eye. Because that is the style of Star Wars. Bladerunner 2049 is set in the future. But doesn’t redesign the look of the film to match up to today’s world of 2049. It retains and expands the look of the future, from 1982.

            When a redesign fails. They pull a Robocop. Because for some reason, that iconic look is outdated and bad for today. While the Black suit chosen to be the final design, is generic. I know everyone will go: They cannot match TOS. I’m not asking that. I’m asking why did the Klingon’s need a redesign. Why does the series follow JJ verse’s look. Instead of splitting the difference with TOS.

            Where they did it right. Was the Memory Tapes, and Phasers. Those split the difference. The tapes aren’t the same matte finished Gameboy looking cartridges. But a clear, but same color, same size of the original.

            The Phasers actually look like the TOS phasers. But just tweaked with more detail. And are a cross between the Cage’s lasers. So they feel older than TOS. That, for me is a perfect split the difference. Not a window on the bridge. Not a gloomy dark bridge.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I’m going to assume you missed the part where I said Star Trek is different things to different people. Of course it’s fine if you prefer continuity. If you feel SO strongly against Discovery because you feel it doesn’t respect continuity 100%, that’s absolutely your right.

            There are issues with Discovery. Im intrigued, but I’m not 100% sold yet. For me, there are some story issues and character traits I don’t love. But continuity? Meh. It seems to be trying to respect it, if not following it to the letter. As for the Klingons, yeah, if I was in charge, I would have done them differently, but ultimately, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t bother *ME*. I don’t care. It does bother others. I can and do respect that.

            All I’m saying is: At the end of the day, I don’t care that we need to stick that closely to canon to restrict storytelling. If you do, that’s your right. I can only speak for myself and my opinions. What drives me crazy is people dismissing my opinion entirely because it doesn’t match theirs.

          • archer923

            I agree with that. But people also need to accept that the people who want the show to care about continuity, aren’t all $&^% brains. Second, this is a huge risk for the series. Which can easily get the series cancelled. Changing too much, can damage a brands fanbase. It hasn’t worked out in a lot of reboots and sequels.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I don’t believe I suggested that people who cared about continuity are all “$&^% brains.” Some CAN be just like some who don’t care CAN be. But I certainly try not to make sweeping judgments about a group of people.

          • archer923

            I wasn’t focusing on you. I’m talking generally. With responses towards people who don’t like Discovery. Based on its appearance and story telling.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            All I can say is: the producers SAY that this show takes place in the Prime Universe. They SAY that all of this will make sense in the grand scheme of things. The best I can suggest at this point is: We’ll wait and see if they’ll do what they say.

          • archer923

            Well, I have to wait to read spoilers. The shows not interesting to me. Plus the shows behind a paywall. It’s not worth it for me to pay for one show. That still treats the series as a network show. Instead of using the benefits of streaming to its advantage. AKA 50+ minutes long. All 16 episodes available day 1.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Again, not something that bothers me. First, Hulu also does an episode a week. Second, I like the idea of parsing these episodes out. I find I pay more attention when a show airs week to week as opposed to binging them. It adds something for audience interaction as well.

            Also, the last episode was 48 minutes long. About 6-8 minutes longer than network shows. I assume, like with Netflix and other streaming services, episode lengths will vary.

            But again, I do respect your perspective.

          • archer923

            Really only 3 minutes longer. Removing the theme time. Network shows are 44 minutes long usually. Some do bad shorter episodes though.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Maybe ten years ago. Network shows are pretty typically 40-42 minutes these days. More ads. I worked in TV advertising for a brief spell.

            Don’t believe me? Look at the LATEST season of network shows on Netflix or Hulu. Just look at the lists. They will give you episode lengths.

          • archer923

            I want to see Daredevil length of 58 minutes.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I guess I just think it’s kind of a strange criticism when we’ve only seen three episodes out of fifteen. Particularly when one, perhaps two were cut for broadcast which, as we’ve discussed, is a completely different animal. It’s not a huge sample at this point. But, to each his own!

            Also, as I scroll through Daredevil, even they had episodes as short as “Context is for Kings” at 48 minutes. Just sayin’.

          • mr joyce

            torrents?

          • Keith Melton

            Yes lets condone piracy and illegal actions.

          • mr joyce

            yes 😛

          • Wally Smith

            What did that say that was deleted?

          • DC Forever

            We all know you are probably the biggest pirate of them all Keith!

          • DC Forever

            This is not me — impersonator

          • AmiRami

            May I ask what aspects of DIS you find contradictory to canon?

          • archer923

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7100292f8df852d4d7450ee94740207f8bf9d8f2cbb7dd6cc51321157e7cee27.png
            This is an example. Enterprise pulled the same bullshit. They had Ferengi in season 1. No, not mentioning their name, makes that garbage episode alright.

          • Keith Melton

            Lorca having a Gorn skeleton does not betray anything from canon. If you actually watched the episode, there is a plausible reason why he has it. But its just a skeleton. Nothing says he knows what species it is, where it came from, etc.

          • archer923

            It would be documented by someone. And everyone see it. This than in return would be brought up in TOS. ALA Ferengi in ENT Season 1. Where did he find it. It have to be in an area occupied by the Gorn. So that means the area would be known. But that was the issue in Arena. The planet they picked was owned by the Gorn. They didn’t know it. Because it was not explored before.

          • Keith Melton

            Oh yes, btw I have this weird alien skeleton. No idea what species it is or anything like that. Lets make sure every Starfleet captain knows all about this for future reference.
            Do you not see how ridiculous that is?
            How about this: since Landry secretly got the new creature into his menagerie perhaps this part of his experiment is a bit out of the norm and he doesn’t actually share that data out. Maybe the menagerie will be destroyed and the data lost?

          • archer923

            Someone got the skeleton. Now that area and planet are logged. They went to it. So you’re telling me the Gorn didn’t bother anyone else for the next 10 years. It’s the whole issue of species don’t bump into each other.

          • Keith Melton

            And? Who knows where he got it from. As we saw on the Glenn, stuff can come back in the reaction chamber. Maybe it came from there? He also had voles and tribbles. Let me guess, you have a problem with those too?

          • archer923

            Nope.

          • Keith Melton

            So no problem with him having a Tribble (when it was a new species to McCoy in TOS) but having an unknown sourced Gorn skeleton is a problem?
            Talk about consistency issues.

          • Tuskin38

            Phlox had a tribble in enterprise, that ship has sailed.

            They’re probably just rare out of certain areas.

          • archer923

            Agreed. They already broke that with Enterprise. The Gorn is just the more confusing of the two.

          • Tuskin38

            Not the Cardassian Voles?

          • archer923

            I have to wave that away as already known. Just not shown in TOS. I give that a pass because they didn’t meet the Cardie’s for the first time in that TNG episode. They where already assholes for decade old conflicts before it. While the Gorn is a first meeting. Like if they showed a Cardassian in Discovery. I wouldn’t call fowel.

          • They were on Vulcan well before this, So They know of Cardassians

          • Tuskin38

            They said in After Trek that it doesn’t violate the canon, Lorca doesn’t know what the skeleton is of.

          • archer923

            but doesn’t explain why the Gorn don’t start finding out about Starfleet till 10 years later. They’re very territorial. They killed all those people without question. That’s the issue I’m having with it.

          • Tuskin38

            No one said it was Starfleet found the Skeleton. Lorca could have acquired it from someone else.

          • archer923

            Good point. but than still no one knowing about the Gorn? Or the Gorn going after those people who took the body.

          • Tuskin38

            Too far away. Remember Kirk found them on the frontier of Federation space.

          • Tuskin38

            They probably don’t know.

          • DC Forever

            You are the one who sounds ridiculous. You can’t even be civil without hurling insults.

          • A_Warrior_of_Marley

            How long had Cestus III been an outpost and that was supposedly well inside Gorn territory sufficiently enough that the Gorn acted in brutal “self defense”.

          • AmiRami

            I see what you are saying. But this is a secret vessel (possibly section 31) Its entirely possible Section 31 had information the entirety of Starfleet did not.

          • Tuskin38

            I hope it isn’t section 31. it doesn’t fit their MO.

          • AmiRami

            True. But even the registry number of the ship is “1031” so I think its a pretty safe bet that it is.

          • Keith Melton

            I don’t mind Sec31 being behind this (or at least Lorca working for them secretly) but I think the ship registry being 1031 is a bit too on the nose.

          • AmiRami

            It might be but I could totally see the producers doing it for that reason. if it is section 31 and they didn;t mean forr the regestry number to reflect that then thats one hell of a coincidence!

          • And the Glenn was 1030. I don’t think the number is a link.

          • AmiRami

            Well think of it this way. This is a ship on a “secret mission” and the registry number is 1031. If its not section 31 then thats one hell of a coincidence don’t u think?

          • Tuskin38

            Yes it is a coincidence.

          • It may be section 31, but its just a ship number. They would have found it ironic but its not something they would do.

          • AmiRami

            IIRC Bryan Fuller a while back stated that the number was not chosen randomly

          • Tuskin38

            That is a coincidence.

          • AmiRami

            Its a pretty big coincidence that a shio on a secret mission has a regestry of 1031 don’t you think? Also IIRC Bryan Fuller said a while back that the regestry number was not chosen randomly.

          • You don’t think the guys at section 31 would have not chuckled at the numbers? Really its likely someones birthday.

          • AmiRami

            So to be clear I am not saying there is an In Universe reason for the number. More like an easter egg hinting at what is to come.

          • That could well be true.

          • Keith Melton

            Well how about this. If Fuller said it was chosen for a reason:
            TOS started in 1966
            Fuller’s first work on Star Trek DS9/Voy was in 1997
            there is your 31 (how old Star Trek was when he started)

          • Could be

          • Eric Cheung

            He said he picked it because of his favorite holiday, Halloween.

            http://nerdist.com/7-things-we-learned-about-bryan-fullers-star-trek-discovery-at-comic-con/

          • Keith Melton

            That is even better. Please let this fact put to sleep the 1031=section 31 nonsense.

          • Eric Cheung

            Clearly the registry number is for Section 10.

          • Tuskin38

            Nope. A coincidence.

            It probably means something, but not that.

          • Snap

            From what I have heard, and this might ruin any intrigue the registry has, 1031 is a reference to “October (10) 31” because Bryan Fuller is a fan of Halloween.

          • AmiRami

            huh. ok, i guess i could see that

          • secret highly dangerous plot to end a war. Seems to fit them.

          • Tuskin38

            Section 31 doesn’t operate in the open.

          • They do and they do not. All in what suits them. In DSC they are not “In the open” they are on a top secret ship and telling no one on board who they are. So they are pretty much assuming they are Starfleet intel.

          • archer923

            Well, if that ends up being the case. It will make sense. But than it just makes the show about section 31. So they could pull anything out of their hat. We can show this, because will keep it secret etc.

          • Keith Melton

            “We can show this, because will keep it secret etc.”
            And that is bad how? Clearly this new travel tech will fail or not be used for some reason since we have never heard of it before.

          • archer923

            Because than the show ends up being: See remember this. You like this right. Instead of making stories strictly for Discovery’s cast. Think of what the Riker and Troi stuff did to the series finale of Enterprise.

          • Keith Melton

            That is your view of it. I like to be an adult and actually wait for the full story to be told before I make that kind of judgment.

          • archer923

            Ah, But the story can end up being predictable too. And thanks for the insult.

          • Keith Melton

            Again, until it is all done…we have no idea how predictable it will be or not. And you are quite welcome for the insult.
            “Challenge your preconceptions, or they will challenge you” — Vulcan Proverb

          • candelarius

            Please store the insults, Keith. Your attitude is just begging others to insult YOU, but the rest of us are restraining ourselves to be civil. Please show the same courtesy.

          • DC Forever

            You probably don’t know anything about being an adult.

          • So he has a skeleton, that does not mean he knows what race it is from at all.

          • Locutus

            The writers are steeped in Star Trek lore. I would not interpret a Gorn skeleton as a continuity error. It drove home Lorca’s interest in mysterious objects. Just because he has found a cool skeleton of a mysterious alien on some planet does not mean they know what it is or that it is a Gorn. I find it kind of fun to think creatively about how it could fit into the continuity rather than assuming it does not. It’s a wink to the fans because Lorca might not know what he has, but we do!

          • scooternva

            Errrrr… I don’t know that you can lay the blame for STB’s subpar box office performance at the feet of STID. I agree that “Star Trek Beyond” was by far the superior film (frankly, it’s one of my all-time top three Star Trek movies), but I think its underperformance was more due to 2016’s industrywide audience sequel fatigue and Paramount’s criminally-inept marketing campaign—not only for the movie, but also for the 50th anniversary of the franchise.

            Thank goodness CBS is in control of DSC; right now, I wouldn’t trust Paramount to release a competent YouTube video.

          • AmiRami

            I think STID def played a factor but 2016’s underwhelming performance over all did as well.

            There were a LOT of fans that were severely pissed off about white washing Khan and raping TWoK in STID.

          • mr joyce

            ‘raping’ is a bit of a strong choice of words there, but your overall point makes sense

          • AmiRami

            fair enough

          • Keith Melton

            And actually denigrates the true meaning of the word. Anyone who uses that word willy nilly is a part of normalizing rape culture.

          • Eric Cheung

            The whitewashing of Khan was one reason I gave Beyond a chance when I was seriously considering missing whatever came after. I went to Beyond because Justin Lin was the most experienced Trek film director since Robert Wise, and some of that experience came from reinvigorating a franchise that featured a popular and diverse cast of characters. It seemed like a way to make up for the error in casting Cumberbatch, at least a little bit.

            That, and the film itself, was probably the most ensemble Trek movie since TVH. I just wish it didn’t involve a villain, or the high death count and ship destruction.

          • AmiRami

            I’m a lil confused… Why would white washing Khan make you want to see more? I mean I get wanted to see it cause of Justin Lin…. but not cause of “Khan”

          • Eric Cheung

            Whitewashing Khan made me not want to see the next film. But when I saw the team they were assembling, I changed my mind.

          • AmiRami

            OHHHHH I get it now!

          • M33

            If everything visually is up for grabs for reimaginging now, why couldn’t Kahn be white?

            These are the sorts of sticky wickets that DSC has now opened up for me, and frankly ENT did too until it tried to correct its own continuity errors with season 4.

            There is no longer a baseline to follow.
            Everything is subject to reinterpretation so long as it “fits the modern audience needs”.
            What I loved a lot about Trek was the acceptance of its own past, its eras looks, the efforts to honor and maintain them.
            This has now been cast aside.

            Sadly, after decades, this is a Trek I cannot follow.
            I’ve cancelled my CBSAA.

            It’s been fun everyone.
            I wish you all the best.

            Aloha

          • Eric Cheung

            Whitewashing a character goes beyond Star Trek to have negative social consequences, impacting already underrepresented peoples in media and the negative influence a lack of representation causes.

            Changing the look of Star Trek does not do any of those things. It’s too bad you feel as strongly about the look as you do, because I think you’re missing out on some intriguing stories and characters.

        • A_Warrior_of_Marley

          Which real Klingons? The one with the Fu-Manchu make up (TOS), Big thick head ridges (TMP) or all over the place head ridges and Space Viking Klingons (Search for Spock and TNG)?

          • Just say you like the new Klingons more than the old ones. You don’t have to be sarcastic. But you just proved my original point. What a great way to close this discussion.

          • A_Warrior_of_Marley

            The only one closing the discussion is you when faced with a legitimate question. What I like about the new Klingons is that they add some variety to what has often been shown to be yet another stereotype-ridden cookie-cutter species in Trek.

          • He can not be objective on this. His one website points out the issues with the klingons over the years and with other make ups. For some reason, this is just to much for him. I even photoshoped hair on one above and he just said it magically did not count. Only because he did not want it to count.

          • candelarius

            No, it doesn’t count. The STD Klingons look nothing like the established Klingons from TNG, DS9, VOY, ST3-6 and Generations. To claim otherwise is simply disingenuous.

          • Nor did any other versions. TMP was not TOS version, those from TNG were not TMP versions and so on.

          • candelarius

            Aside from TOS, which I didn’t reference, all the TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and pre-Abramsverse movie Klingons had a clear consistency to them. TMP were slightly different. The new reboot Klingons are a clear departure from the shows and movies I referenced.

          • Yes, the TNG-ENT uses the 3rd and 4th make ups. Although they changed a few times in minor ways in TNG to become what they were. TMP are not “slightly” different, they use the same outfits, but the make up is a solid bone mohawk.

            The JJ klingons, are closer to TNG, but bald and a bit too smooth. The new klingons went back to the same sketch the Mohawk TMP evolved from and started from there. They kept the ridges that had become the klingon thing, but went another way with them.

          • candelarius

            Well, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I’ve been watching these shows since TNG’s first season, and have watched them all over and over and over again. There is, to me, a definite distinction between the TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT (plus all the movies pre’09) that stands in stark contrast to the reboot franchises. I’ll grant TOS Klingons are another matter, and ENT attempted to explain that discrepancy. STD is making no effort, though, to fold the new Klingons into the established continuity and instead it, like many fans here, is just trying to pretend that the new Klingons look the same as the old Klingons. The spin of “oh these are just another in a long line of Klingon variations” argument simply doesn’t match the reality I see sitting in front of me (5 blu ray box sets).

          • Looks are not canon. You and others thinking they are, hspoens to be the issue.

          • DC Forever

            That is not correct. Looks are always canon. I could send you a nice quote from Gene Roddenberry.

          • Wally Smith

            This is a circular argument serving only an apologist attitude towards STD.

          • candelarius

            Stereotyped how? How are the “NuKlingons” any less stereotyped? How were the TNG/DS9/VOY Klingons cookie-cuttered? Compare B’Lana, Worf, and Chang…great characters that painted a picture of a rich, diverse, and stories Star Trek race. There was nothing wrong with the Klingons of past Trek, whether the shows or movies, before they were needlessly rebooted since Trek 2009 and now again for STD.

          • Perplexum

            Where even do you see variety in the new Klingons? So far they aren’t any less one dimensional.

          • A_Warrior_of_Marley

            Their clothng, their ships, their accents, their motives, their ethnic and cultural beliefs…

          • candelarius

            Needlessly calling TNG era Klingons “Space Vikings” doesn’t make them any more or less rediculous than the new Purple Plastic Head Klingons.

          • Wally Smith

            I also do not like the look of the new Klingons and everytime I speak up I get bullied out of here.

      • A_Warrior_of_Marley

        Also there is the crew of whatever starship it was who mutinied against Fleet Captain Garth of Izar prior to Whom Gods Destroy. A mutiny is still a mutiny, even if the crew was doing so against a captain’s unlawful orders (Destroy the people of Antos 4).

        • Yep, the issue is clearly with Spock’s line.

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          True.

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    • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

      Well said

      • mr joyce

        xindi?

        • He has not said that lie in a while.

          • DC Forever

            You wouldn’t know a lie from a hole in the ground.

          • Man, Profile imitation will get you banned from disque totally

          • DC Forever

            What do you mean?

          • DC Forever

            This is not me — impersonator!.

          • DC Forever

            Yeah and if that happened to you, you’d probably be really depressed given that you would lose all 56k of your precious comments.

          • I would not be the one banned

          • DC Forever

            Of course you wouldn’t because Disqus is your life.

          • DC Forever

            This is not me — impersonator!! .

          • DC Forever

            This is not me — impersonator!!

          • DC Forever

            This is not me — impersonator!

      • The Science Fiction Oracle
        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          ATTENTION TREKCORE — POSTER ABOVE IS IMPERSONATING ME HE IS WRONG

      • DC Forever

        So well said.

        • DC Forever

          That was not me – that’s Paul Walker and his sockpuppets mimicking my account here..

    • AmiRami

      You def shouldn’t be deemed a hater. But let me ask you this, which visual facts would you like them to adhere too? I mean we can’t expect a bridge set in 2017 to be built from cardboard and jelly beans like the TOS bridge was in the 60’s.

      • Tuskin38

        No, but they could be redesigned like how the Phasers, Communicators and Tricorders were.

        Those props are faithful to TOS while still looking modern, while the ship exterior designs are not.

        I think the Interiors designs are fine.

        • AmiRami

          This is true and I wish they were. I would have loved to see the bridge from the cage but redone so that things like, say, the pictures on the walls meant to depict windows were actual cgi images of the space surrounding the ship for example.

          But I can see at least some visual styles adhering to TOS. For example the Discovery captains chair is pretty retro as compared to Picards. The concole in Lorca’s ready room is awfully fat by even today’s iPad standards!

          • Tuskin38

            Those were screens, not windows.

          • AmiRami

            r u sure? Cause the placement of them align with the outer hull “windows” if you look at the 1701 model.

            But in any case, they could have been updated with modern OLED screens so that they weren’t static paintings like they were in TOS.

          • Tuskin38

            Those windows are on the deck below the bridge.

            And yes, they’d probably upgrade the displays and consoles.

          • AmiRami

            ahh ok

        • Nowhereman10

          But it was explained in-universe that the Shenzhou is a very old ship and is more closely related to the NX-class and such, rather than TOS’ Constitution-class.

          The Discovery herself is clearly made to be a very brand spanking new ship.

          • candelarius

            I don’t see any relation between the NX and the Shenzhou. How sad we are even using the NX as the baseline…

        • candelarius

          Exactly.

      • I never demanded that Discovery should look like 50 years ago. I demand that Discovery visually updates Star Trek instead of reinventing it for the sake of “artistic freedom”. The Klingons didn’t even need an update, they were perfectly fine and iconic.

        • Keith Melton

          Do you not remember a day when we’d meet an alien race and they looked human except for some weird forehead or nose? What is so wrong with A. Making the Klingons look MORE ALIEN and B. making them look more like Gene wanted them to originally?
          Klingons already have a long history of updates. I loved the joke in Trials and Tribulations but then hated the retcon with the augment virus BS. But none of that ever harmed my love of trek or the story.

          • Trek fans can not joke about trek. That was the mistake, they can’t joke about it.

          • Wally Smith

            Trek is like a religion for me so yeah, please don’t joke about it. I was there in ’66 for the beginning.

          • DC Forever

            Why would anyone joke about their favorite show?

          • DC Forever

            That is not me – that’s Paul Walker and his sockpuppets mimicking my account here.

          • Wally Smith

            But it is more than that, it is a direct slap in the face for the long term Trekkie to be told that we have to accept MAJOR changes in continuity for no real reason.

        • An update is a violation

          • Why do you think in such extreme categories? Or demand that I choose between extreme options?

          • I am using your words. Not my fault you say one thing and mean another man.

          • candelarius

            Nonsense. Your mincing words and you know it, you’re just being mean to Bernd because he doesn’t approve of the apparent new Trek zeitgeist.

          • I repeated his words to him. He claimed any change was a violation. Then later said an update was fine.

          • Wally Smith

            Thank you! Shannon gets on here constantly blabbing about how Gene Roddenberry wanted the Klingons this way and that anyone who dislikes the MAJOR continuity change is wrong about STD being in the Prime universe.

        • James

          I think that with the old look Klingons, they just look a bit jokey. Like, people laugh at them and call them pasty heads. I do expect though that one of the 24 houses may be revealed to have old skool Klingons on board.

          • candelarius

            Who laughs at them? Which people? I’ve never heard them laughed at. The new rebooted Klingons are more “laughable” to me, but that’s must my opinion. The TNG/DS9/VOY and all the pre-2009 movie Klingons were great and didn’t need another reboot. Compare B’Lana, Worf, and Chang…great characters that painted a picture of a rich, diverse, and storied people.

          • Wally Smith

            Yes, these Klingons were much better. Why re-invent the wheel Mr. Bryan Fuller?

        • AmiRami

          fair enough. But remember that the “Worf” style Klingons were not the first look of the Klingons. So that in of itself was already a violation of Canon (till ENT explained it away)

    • The look not being the same as as 51 year old TV show is not an error. You guys have found very few real errors, you just point to it not looking old.

      • I never once said DIS should look like TOS and you know that. Putting words in my mouth is one of those tactics that I am so sick of.

        • Yet you have. You keep claiming the look is canon. Your post I responded to said just that. Your quote

          ” obligation to adhere to established facts (which includes visual facts)”

          You have said that, again and again. Even updating the looks is not “Adhering to established visual facts”. That is still a change, which is what your very post says can’t be done.

          You are not finding Easter eggs, you are listing ways it does not look like an old TV show, but rarely list anything that actually violates canon. So far we have a single “violation”, the Holograms. A Violation that actually fits in the time frame and the established timeline of ENT and TNG. It was just never shown in TOS

          • The look is definitely canon. You have to start somewhere. TNG and even ENT all started from canon and further developed it. DIS started with new Klingons that have nothing in common with the old ones.

          • Keith Melton

            Hmmm
            warrior culture
            houses
            batleth
            sharp teeth
            Forehead ridges
            language

            yah…nothing in common at all.

          • You speak Klingon fluently I suppose. And there are no other warrior races in the ST universe. And definitely no other races with raised foreheads.

          • Keith Melton

            Oh you got me! You are totally right! (man you are a special kind of idiot)

          • Sad thing is , his website tackles the many, many changes to klingons in the past as well as dozens of other changes in make up. He knows what it is.

          • mr joyce

            no need for insults

          • Agreed.

          • Keith Melton

            Sorry, I find his entire shtick to be insulting and needs to be called out.

          • mr joyce

            it can be done without insults though. ive seen discussions youve been in, you construct your arguments pretty well. don’t invalidate your arguments by cheapening your language

          • Keith Melton

            I only cheapen when the debate partner is being obtuse, idiotic and difficult on purpose.

          • mr joyce

            ….an easy mistake to make when communication is through a keyboard and not face to face or over the phone, ‘lost in translation’, so to speak

          • Keith Melton

            As someone who has been online since the mid 80s I think I have a fine tuned sensor on this. For sure I can misread sometimes, but my success rate is high.

          • mr joyce

            message boards existed back then? wowee, i was born in the mid eighties lol .. you must have seen a lot of evolution over the years of the tech that has helped the net to grow. interesting stuff 🙂

            .. oh yeh, just be nice 😛

          • Keith Melton

            Oh yes. Local college had the first BBS I was ever on back in 1986. Its been a long strange trip indeed.

          • Wally Smith

            Well, I have been going to conventions since the 1960s and been online since the 1970s when I was in the military so, please stop tooting your own horn.

          • Wally Smith

            Then you sir, are a cyber bully.

          • DC Forever

            That was not me – that Paul Walker and his sockpuppets mimicking my account here..

          • Keith Melton

            What fun. Adding that ass to my block list.

          • candelarius

            Agreed.

          • DC Forever

            If someone insults me I will insult them.

          • mr joyce

            the point is the other guy didn’t..

          • DC Forever

            Yeah but it is not cool to have to take an insult just because you like DC Comics.

          • mr joyce

            this wasnt about you though, so whats your point?

          • DC Forever

            That was not me – that Paul Walker and his sockpuppets mimicking my account here.

          • DC Forever

            Impersonator posting above;;;;

          • DC Forever

            Impersonator posting above;;;

          • Yeah I love you too.

          • DC Forever

            You are the idiot Keith.

          • DC Forever

            Impersonator posting above;;

          • I hoped he could be objective as he has a great website, but he simply can’t be honest or objective here.

          • candelarius

            Wow. You guys are amazing.

          • DC Forever

            Wow, you really are arrogant aren’t you?

          • DC Forever

            This is not me — impersonator!,

          • No, it is not canon. It is along held fan thing, but looks are not canon. Trek has rebooted its look before and it will again. There was no canon to the Klingon changes, until fans could not take a joke.

            The klingons are BALD. That and having more than one skin tone is the big departure. They do not look that diff. They gave them a longer skull and a look more fitting to lore and made them bald.

            We both know they started with TMP art sketch as the starting point of the redesign. You should take another look at that image, I know its on your website.

            I did this in 3 mins, you can’t tell me this does not look klingon
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e64cde40dd367b77ac50b515f1089174206ec9054acc4a283f0d409e88300c2.jpg

          • Nothing about the new Klingons looks Klingon, if it were not for their emblem and bat’leths. You could turn any other alien race into a Klingon by adding hair and beard.

          • Keith Melton

            How can you look at that mock up Shannon just made and say that? Are you deliberately being obtuse?

          • candelarius

            Again with the insults….I don’t think Bernd is the one being intentionally obtuse in this forum.

          • Wally Smith

            You really are a trollish cyber bully aren’t you?

          • Dude, I just showed you a shopped image, they look Klingon, just bald. explain to me what about that image I just posted does not look klingon?

          • Skin color, shape of the head, nostrils… many alien races look more Klingon if you give them hair. You waste much time to prove something that doesn’t matter anyway in your view.

          • LOL, he looks klingon. The skin tone is now a range, humans can get like that as well. See below.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c2bdb379850aa17311f2185f280272671b270a70fe4cc80af44463d52dbaf19.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cbfc3e20a5b9d843eb669f32197e760cbacf3694961ba1a1d60019e8e42cd4a9.jpg
            The issue is, you can not be honest on this subject. I am done wasting time with someone who can’t be objective.

          • Wally Smith

            I am with you and candelarius

          • candelarius

            Sorry, that looks nothing like a Klingon.

            The NuKlingons look nothing like the Klingons that have been established since the early 80s, including Star Trek 3 through Generations, TNG, DS9, ENT, and VOY.

            To say otherwise is simply disingenuous.

            I’ll say it again: B’Lana, Worf, Gowron, Lursa, Kruge, and Chang were great characters that painted a picture of a rich, diverse, and storied Star Trek race. There was nothing wrong with the Klingons of past Trek, whether the shows or movies, before they were needlessly rebooted since Trek 2009 and now again for STD.

          • It looks like a klingon, a bald klingon.

          • candelarius

            We shall have to agree to disagree. The new Klingons look nothing like the Klingons from TNG, DS9, VOY, and the pre-Abramsverse movies. Put T’kuvma’s pic alongside Worf or Gowron. Aside from a slight similarity in brow ridges, they look as different as Neelix and Tuvok.

          • That is being dishonest. They do not look the same, but as I have shown, if you throw hair on them they fit right in with the TNG era.

          • candelarius

            I disagree, sorry. I respect your right to your opinion.

          • Wally Smith

            Except for the claws, now answer that and stay fashionable.

          • Klingons where supposed to be evolved from apex predators. Why is having claws odd?

          • Wally Smith

            Good point. Well said.

          • DC Forever

            You do realize that this poster is the latest reincarnation of Paul Walker and all his other clone warrior sock-puppets, don’t you?

          • I guessed that when we went from super confrontational to super friendly

          • DC Forever

            Yea, I wonder if the mods could do something in Disqus to simply not allow accounts from his router’s IP address through his ISP, because he just keeps coming back under new ID’s?

          • Not really, to big a chance to block to many folks. All you can do is keep banning.

          • DC Forever

            I don’t agree with banning. You are my friend still though bro.

          • DC Forever

            Impersonator posting above…….

          • Heads up, he made a impersonation account of you.

          • DC Forever

            Yep. Lol, what a pathetic loser.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            See my post above — Trekcore removed the existence of that moron.

          • DC Forever

            Thanks

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            ATTENTION TREKCORE — POSTER ABOVE IS IMPERSONATING ME PLEASE DO SOMETHING PLEASE I AM REALLY WORRIED.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Looks like Trekcore nuked that moron’s mimic accounts completely off the site.

          • He followed me elsewhere lol

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            ATTENTION TREKCORE — POSTER ABOVE IS IMPERSONATING ME help me!!!!

          • He is back and using your name and image now. You need to report him, I have already flagged him

          • DC Forever

            Sometimes I do that too.

          • DC Forever

            Impersonator posting above…………

          • Wally Smith

            I’d say they look kinda like orcs now from WoW.

      • Wally Smith

        This is just your explanation at why the producers did not even TRY to make STD match what was established in older Star Trek.

        • Well, they are not gonna make it look old, no. There are a number of reason for this, which you likely do not care to hear.

          • Wally Smith

            Okay you are right, thank you for helping my always cynical self.

    • Matineer

      I see your point. Throwing out these things just detracts from the story. I’d rather see them doing new stuff — this is a new show. As for “canon”, that’s just gets changed as new production teams see fit.

    • candelarius

      Couldn’t agree more, Bernd. The article on “canon connections” (“canon Easter eggs”) perfectly illustrates the problem I have with STD. For those that call any long-time fans of the franchise that object to the “re-imagining” of Trek, whether in whole or part, I have to wonder how they’d feel if other franchises they value were so systematically “rebooted” with a thin veneer of canon spread over over them. Pointing to occasional inconsistencies in past Treks and saying “See!? There’s ALWAYS been continuity errors in Star Trek!” doesn’t excuse the current produces and writers from abandoning the mythos of a united, peaceful future humanity and running roughshod, willy-nilly, over continuity with a wink and a nod.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      “Canon should not be a pool for Easter eggs, but an obligation to adhere to established facts (which includes visual facts) wherever possible.”

      That rules out Enterprise then.

      • Wally Smith

        You are always taking Shannon’s side, but you and him never backed up Joseph Smith, Jesus Christ, or Paul Walker when he needed it. He trusted you guys.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          “The side” I’m on is for legitimate posters who don’t sock-puppet and troll like middle school, emotionally disturbed punks.

          That’s what SIDE i am on.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            ATTENTION TREKCORE — POSTER ABOVE IS IMPERSONATING ME *****

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        ATTENTION TREKCORE — POSTER ABOVE IS IMPERSONATING ME DO IT BAN HIM, I AM THE REAL ONE.

  • Turd Ferguson’s Doggy

    The Janus mining colony from Devil in the Dark appears in the little show of world, as does Romulus.

    • Tuskin38

      That isn’t Romulus. Lorca isn’t listing off places she is seeing.

      • Turd Ferguson’s Doggy

        Well, it looks like the Romulus from previous Treks and it has green lights….so how do you know it isn’t Romulus?

        • Tuskin38

          Because none of the other places he lists matches what she is seeing.

          And it looks nothing like Romulus.

          • Turd Ferguson’s Doggy

            What does Romulus look like then? We’ve seen two or three shots of it in the entire canon of Star Trek and it’s an entire planet.

            Does Dehli look like Tehran? Does London look like Tokyo?

            Use your head. He said it was Romulus. It was green, a colour commonly associated with Romulans, and has the same architectural traits as the Romulus from Nemesis.

            It was Romulus.

          • Tuskin38

            He also said “blink, you missed it” when clearly didn’t

            That wasn’t Romulus. Nothing else he listed we say.

            It looks more like Vulcan with all those rock structures.

          • Turd Ferguson’s Doggy

            You’re avoiding the question. How do you know it wasn’t Romulus?

          • Tuskin38

            Because it doesn’t look like Romulus. I already said that.

            It looks more like Vulcan.

          • Turd Ferguson’s Doggy

            So you know what all the surface of Romulus looks like do you? The entire surface of a fictional planet?

            What nonsense. You don’t even know what the entire surface of the planet you already live looks like.

          • Tuskin38

            Nothing else he listed was shown on screen, why woudl Romulus?

          • Turd Ferguson’s Doggy

            Why wouldn’t it?

          • Tuskin38

            Because nothing else was?

          • Turd Ferguson’s Doggy

            Ok mate. Whatever you say. To be honest I am just dragging you on a bit, for which I apologise. I just get amused at how desperate nerds can be to be right about what is ultimately inconsequential.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Everything has consequences. You are rude to say that.

        • Eric Cheung

          Until there’s confirmation in an episode, there’s no reason to believe it either is or isn’t Romulus. But outside of the episode itself, there is reason to believe that it isn’t. Interviews with the writers and producers have said that words like “Romulans” and “Romulus” get shot down pretty quickly in the writers room. That leads me to believe that they won’t likely go there. We also can be pretty sure that the list of names doesn’t correspond to the images because the famous TOS matte painting has been used several times, leading guessers to think that the what Trek Core called Starbase 11 could be Delta Vega or Scalos, or any number of similar planets.

          And other species use green as a main color as well, such as the Borg. Even the Cardassians like the color, as evidenced by their holosuites.

  • KitchUK

    Great article. Very interesting stuff here. I think it would be cool to see a time travel episode where they actually go into the future aboard a TNG era starship. Even has them go aboard DS9 after Sisko left for the wormhole aliens. Quark could even have a cameo!

    • Kirksdeadjim

      The Bermaga era is over.Get over it.

      • Perplexum

        Yep, no fun allowed in Trek anymore.

        • Keith Melton

          No fun? Are you watching the same show I am? So many hilarious moments in the show. Keeping directly in line with the serious nature of Trek yet allowing for some humor and fun as all the series have done in the past. (from ep3: “did he just shush us?” Micheal and Tilly interacting, etc)

          • Perplexum

            You mean the one scene where the Klingon was murdered in a jump scare scene and the other where the poor girl showed her nervousness and anxiety in front of a stone cold Burnham? Am I watching the same show?

          • Keith Melton

            Well humor is subjective. I found the shush moment (even coupled with the scare) to be hilarious. Poor girl? Tilly is clearly on spectrum and uses her nervousness to cope with things. That social awkwardness can always lend itself into something fun.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Keith you are a mellon head.

          • Did he shush us was fitting and made me laugh

          • DC Forever

            You must have a terrible sense of humor.

          • DC Forever

            Impersonator posting above……. ..

      • Snap

        It’s over, but it’s still part of Trek.

        • AmiRami

          True but I would argue that the uniforms in DIS are a natural progression from ENT. I do think they are trying to honor what has come before.

          • Snap

            Well, my distaste for the uniforms isn’t simply because they don’t evoke a connection to TOS, it is largely because they are plain ugly. It’s not going to be a popular opinion, but hear me out, it doesn’t matter what the Enterprise uniforms were like and they really have no bearing on how the uniforms should look by the TOS era.

            Starfleet in Enterprise was a pre-Federation Earth organization. While the contemporary organization bears the same name, it is not merely an Earth organization. Starfleet represents not only Earth, but Alpha Centauri, the Vulcans, Tellarites and Andorians. It is just like when companies merge or are bought out but decide to keep a brand, like Atari. They may have the name but they aren’t the company which existed years earlier.

            The only real connection the Discovery uniforms have to the Enterprise uniforms is they are primarily blue. The Enterprise uniforms looks like utility jumpsuits, whereas the Discovery uniforms are a collection of “ugh” mixed with a liberal dose of “gah” and Kelvinverse-like obsession with embossed deltas.

          • AmiRami

            I understand. And TBH I am not a fan of the DIS uniforms either. I want something more like what Kelvin Trek has. But I think I heard that as the show progresses, we will see more and more TOS style uniforms.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Never, I will never get over my love for that era of Trek. Fuck you.

    • Jamie Thomas

      That would be a great way to integrate Discovery into the larger Trek universe. Given that TNG celebrated its 30th Anniversary recently it would be a similar homage to the Original series that DS9 did with “Trials and Tribbleations”. Maybe a less costly way would be to go the Voyager “Flashback” route

      I feel Discovery’s producers may consider this for the 2nd season, as I believe they’ve wrapped filming on season 1. Or on the other hand they may not make such an overt link to the other Trek series by inserting Discovery characters into existing footage and may continue with their easter eggs as a link to the Trek universe as a whole.

  • TUP

    Wasnt there an alien shown in pre-production BTS stuff that looked like a “redesigned” Andorian? Perhaps we will see them…

    • There was something with antenna or horns. It was too early in the design to see which.

  • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

    Fan service

  • Tuskin38

    I overlayed Starcharts over the map in Discovery

    https://i.imgur.com/1P4NUuj.png

    • AmiRami

      Thanks!!!

    • Alex Perry

      Fantastic! Love it!!

    • It lines up far too well not to have been the starting point for the new map.

      • Tuskin38

        Although, they based it off the 2002 map, so it is missing some things/changes later established in the last two seasons of Enterprise

        For example ‘Klach D’kel Brakt’ and the ‘Briar Patch’ are said to be the same place in season 4, while this map and the 2002 map have them as seperate places.

        • Interesting. An oppsy or is there something at work here?

          • Tuskin38

            No, just them using an outdated map as a base.

          • I agree with that

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You are an outdated map base.

          • Tuskin38

            Alright.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Combining this with info I downloaded from a robot, I think I have found the location of a lost Jedi temple.

      • Tuskin38

        By the maker, you’re right. Luke has been looking in the wrong galaxy this whole time.

      • Wally Smith

        This is a place for Star Trek, not Star Wars.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          This is a place for legitimate posters, not sock-puppets.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            ATTENTION TREKCORE — POSTER ABOVE IS IMPERSONATING ME please ban him now

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        ATTENTION TREKCORE — POSTER ABOVE IS IMPERSONATING ME ^^^^ please take his account down.

  • Eric Watson

    I spotted many of these, and missed some. I love the Alice In Wonderland connection to the Animated Series. I missed that. I am glad that they really seem to be paying attention to past shows. Aside from the aesthetic look on a few things, whuch has more to do with real life look of things in 2017 vs 1966, they seem to be trying very hard to not contradict anything that came before.

    • AmiRami

      Whats really impressive to me is that technically TAS isn’t even canon and yet they still adhere to it. I’m kinda hoping (but not expecting) that we might get a live action version of Robert April.

      • Eric Watson

        That would be cool, and not hard to do. A message from a Commodore April in the Captain’s quarters. Commanding another ship. Head of Section 31. Lots of fun possibilities.

        • AmiRami

          yes please. Make this happen CBS!!

        • geekfilter

          Everything but Section 31 sounds great 🙂

      • Keith Melton

        Now there is a bit of connectivity I wouldn’t mind.

      • geekfilter

        It is and isn’t and the reason it became ‘de-canonoized’ was just a weird mishmash of legal rights and Gene being Gene. We get James TIBERIUS Kirk from TAS, the remastered show uses the robot grain ships from “More Tribbles More Troubles” Enterprise has a lot of callbacks. Many people believe when he DVDs came back and information on series went into StarTrek.com that was CBS’s way of saying it was canon, though at Gene’s request it will never be in the Encyclopedia. Which will be interesting if Discovery pulls in more references.

        • AmiRami

          Oh wow, totally didn’t realize that. Thanks!

          Ya know I heard originally for Star Trek 2009, JJ Abrams wanted to show Robert April as the original captain of the Enterprise with George Kirk as his first officer and it was the Enterprise that was supposed to be destroyed, not the Kelvin. But Paramount stopped it from happening.

  • What amuses me is the folks screaming “canon violation”rarely catch the Easter eggs.

    • Keith Melton

      Right. They are so set on finding faults that they miss the beauty right in front of them.

    • Snap

      Don’t worry, even though I may point out things which I don’t feel fits with the era, while I may not catch them all I certainly do notice and appreciate the Easter eggs. I did miss the stuff in Lorca’s menagerie, but I wouldn’t have been able to identify bones either way.

    • Wally Smith

      Easter eggs are not real connections though, little more than winking at the hard core old time Trek fans. What we really deserve is a continuation of storylines we fell in love with Star Trek over the past 50 years. Not this crap.

      • Yet, there are no violations. The best you have is the holograms, which really was established in ENT

        • Wally Smith

          That’s true, I never really thought of it that way.

          • It is a retcon. But it is a retcon that fits the timeline we have for hologram technology.

          • Wally Smith

            I am okay with retcons. At least we have new Star Trek.

  • Eric Watson

    I love when things that happen in fiction are called facts. Being “canon” doesn’t make this space fantasy any more real than a unicorn dancing on a rainbow. The real world has already messed with canon. There was no Khan ruling a third of Earth in the 1990s. No Saturn mission. No Voyager 6. No space chriostasis platforms in the 20th century. Also, computers don’t have tapes anymore like they refer to in TOS. Updating the look of this FICTIONAL universe so that modern viewers don’t laugh at it is not a bad idea. It seems to me that the writers are trying as hard as they can to be as consistant as possible and still be a show modern viewers will not see as silly looking. I could not be happier with DIS, but no show will ever make everyone happy. Haters hated all the way back to TNG. Trek is still strong. LLAP.

    • archer923

      You don’t get the points of the complaints.

      • Keith Melton

        Then please, educate us. Why are specific inconsistencies from a 50 year old tv show (that had itself gobs and gobs of “canon issues”) such a problem? How does a slight update to a more modern look (and tech) create such a violation?

        • Eric Watson

          It doesn’t.

          • Keith Melton

            I know that Eric. I am just curious how Archer thinks it does.

          • Eric Watson

            I was agreeing with you. 🙂

        • archer923

          This is the subjective parts of the show. People don’t mind updated looks. But they have to feel like they are apart of the universe. If they don’t want to stick with the look 100%. Like say Star Wars, Doctor Who etc.

          No one here ever said they have to 100% match TOS in every aspect. While people would like that. Which is one of the reasons why Tribblations and In A Mirror Darkly are fondly remembered. TOS’ appearance can be updated. But still follow its progression. Yes, certain things would be hard, but not impossible.

          The Phasers in Discovery are a prime example. It looks totally like TOS’ Phasers. It has the Mark 1 and 2, it still retains the 60’s weird way of putting lines in places. The barrel also has 3 points. Just like Pike’s lasers. So it makes it feel older.

          Everything else follows the JJ look. Which redesigned practically everything. Enterprise had the same problem too. It also failed in ways. But worked fine in others. The computer interface for example. They had to make an actual OS that mimicked TOS’ blinking lights. At the same time gave it substance. They over time aligned the OS color scheme over to TOS.

          The same could be done here. The OS should be more closer to the box text OS interface of TOS. But of course be fully thought out. The OS and the see through screens are things that don’t follow the shows linage. It’s cool looking for now. But breaks the link up. Even the “Jelly beans” con panel could be done. It be better looking buttons and switches. But still be laid out in the style of TOS.

          Why the 60’s show looks bad, is it just lacks in detail. They can even do paper print outs on the show. It’s older tech. But can still be adapted into the series. They do make things feel like the old show here and there. It just needs to be more.

          The lighting I just hate. It’s too dark and grim. It’s been done to death on so many shows. I wonder if the set would look better. If it was just lit differently.

          • Eric Watson

            The only part of that I really agree with is the lighting. Working in a dark room all the time wouldn’t really be good for ship morale.

          • Keith Melton

            Ah, but can be good for science!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You don’t know anything about science, obviously.

          • Eric Watson

            I have a feeling that if the show goes on it will evolve towards that older TOS look, at least somewhat.

          • In colors at lest. Hopefully not full on TOS acid trip level

          • Snap

            True. I don’t see the need for the brightly coloured doors which stick out like a sore thumb or the garish combinations which were notable of the era. Maybe something closer to the general colour scheme we saw with Star Trek V might work. It was warmer colours, but they didn’t hit you in the face.

          • I think we will slowly go that way. We know they have some uniforms with more TOS like colors.

          • archer923

            That’s what I mean. But it has to be similar. I don’t want the bright colors of TOS either. It doesn’t work. It was only there for the sake of color TV. If it was common by the time of TOS. The show wouldn’t of looked like that.

            The way you adapt something classic. Is like how The Flash adapted the 1940’s suit, on the show. Everything’s there. Besides the feet wings. But it’s updated to work in live action. And has more detail. Which what the Discovery Phasers do. I want that applied everywhere.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/caab3ca56ce7f8625f0147af706dc1ecbe6b912cef3ca58d7699370e17b19029.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9af729187608b647232cba0fb681962f3dd5ae1fddae120531c031920e2a4455.jpg

          • AmiRami

            Its actually funny you say that cause Barry’s suit on the Flash is a far cry from the comics counterpart.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Doubtful, why are you using drugs anyway? You are better than that.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well you probably are wrong because most of your posts are just dumb.

        • candelarius

          See my many posts above.

  • I love “Paradise Syndrome”. Might have been a 3rd season episode but I think it has one of the coolest props by way of the obelisk that the show ever did. I love the relationship with Kirk and Miramanee, I love the concept of him perhaps having an offspring. (I loved Miramanee!) I love seeing him happy and seeing the person he could’ve been out of Star Fleet. I love the concept of a series of chirps from the communicator and vowels, consonants and tonal qualities being a musical device to open the Obelisk door. I love the sad ending the episode has as opposed the generally cheery-we-wrapped-this-up ending. I love that they made, however small, some reference to that episode in the new show.

    • Keith Melton

      S3 did have some great gems in it amid most of the crap. Agree on all points.

      • While we’re at it, I loved the original Andorians. Reggie Nalder as a French man with a bit of an accent was perfect, inspired casting for the part of the alien. The show did that really well. Same with Celia Lovsky and T’Pau. Wish they still did that with the new shows.

    • AmiRami

      I loved it too. It showed that Kirk’s life is a huge sacrifice for the greater good and that he has given up a lot to be the Captain of the Enterprise .

  • Fiery Little One

    Interesting stuff. To be host, I didn’t register the Preserver Obelisk until a show I watch made a point of showing that sequence.

  • Snap

    I’m curious, how are people getting such specific information from the map in Lorca’s office? Any writing on it is far too small to be able to make out.

    • Hi def screens I would guess. Some of the shared images are damned good quality as well. I mean People Picked out the Crossfield class from a very blurry image on a background shot months ago.

      You can clean a good image up to a crazy level man.

  • JP

    Thing I don’t understand is, we’re not supposed to care about canon anymore. That’s the premise of this series.

    So who cares about what boxes they tick off? Canon is out the window, which – fine, I’ll watch without caring about canon anymore.

    But let’s not also pretend canon matters.

    • AmiRami

      Why would you say canon doesn’t matter? Other than visual styles what canon has been broken?

      • JP

        Is that a serious question?

        • AmiRami

          Yes, it is.

          • JP

            Answered in another part, see there 🙂

          • AmiRami

            okie, will do!

    • Please list canon violations. Snd no, not looking old and cheap is not a canon violation.

      • JP

        Tech that doesn’t match the period for starters. Hologram interfaces, holographic instanraneous long range communication, etc.

        Spock’s family.

        What a Katra is.

        Instant long-range telepathic katra-conversations.

        Klingon customs, religion and behavior.

        The entire augment storyline.

        There’s others things I’m sure I’m forgetting, and it’s likely we’ll see more after just 3 episodes.

        But the point is not whether these are good or bad or “ok” – just that nobody still watching this is especially concerned with canon.

        • 1:The Holograms fit in the timeline between when they got it in 2151 and TNG, Timeline wise, it fits with what ENT established.

          2: Spock never talked about his family or his brother. Not a violation

          3:This is inline with how Katra has been shown to work in the series and in books. Not a violation.

          4: This is also inline with some of the stuff we have seen. It would also explain his rare illness. Not a violation.

          5: Once more incorrect. Klingons in the past used mummifaction. You do not seem to know Klingon lore very well.

          6: Yes, the silly augment storyline was a can violation and a retcon.

          • JP

            1. Why did they stop using instantaneous long range holographic communication? That’s silly.

            You also ignore all of the other tech innovations.

            2. Sure he did. So did Sarek, Amanda, Perrin, and Sybok. Never once brought her up – because she didn’t exist until about a year ago.

            3. Negative. You’ll need to back that up, not just assert it.

            4. No idea what you are talking about.

            5. “Past” as in 10 years before TOS? Suppose you can cite that. Also ignored all of the other differences.

            6. Canon violation confirmed & agreed.

            But that’s all ok, nobody is here for the airtight canon. No need to try to justify anything, it’s a refreshing brand new take on Trek!

          • 1: TOS is 51 years old, TNG is 30. ENT gave us a confirmed date when Humans got Hologram tech, the 2150’s. TNG uses face time, it looks silly in 2017. As ENT give us a firm date for having hologram tech 10 years before the founding of the federation, you now have holograms.

            It is a retcon that fits the timeline. But yes, it is a common sense retcon. This is the only one on your list

            2: He never brought any of his family up, until the plot demanded it. Its not a retcon or a violation unless he uttered the words “I have no siblings, I have no sister, I have no other family”. This never happened as this is a common trek trope. Not even close to a violation

            3: You said nothing, you claimed “Katra” does not work that way. Yet we have seen it do funky , funky things. We know it can be passed to another person, this is well established. Hell Archer held a long dead vulcans Katra! You can pass it around, and In non-canon books stuff like used on the show does happen.

            4: The Katra, He pure up says it comes at a price. He later gets an almost unheard of illness. It affects his mind and his ability to hold back his emotions. Like it or not, this falls inline with what happens later.

            5: Startrek III, IIRC introduced the idea of klingon mummifaction, they used the very same hieroglyphics on DSC. BY The time of Star trek III it was no longer practiced. We know this one house sticks to the very old ways, so it fits with them. Notice the other Klingons did not gather the dead, only this single house did. The other houses acted more inline with the klingons we know.

            6: Yeah the ENT augment storyline was a bad, bad retcon that changed too much history.

            The only thing that is a retcon is the hologram, but as I pointed out it actually fits in the tech timeline. A 100 years before they acquired the tech. In another 100 years they look real and are so solid they can kill you.

          • JP

            I can tell that you have chosen some arbitrary reasons to accept some inconsistencies but bend over backwards to explain (or plain dismiss) other ones. I won’t attempt to try to understand the rationale that guides it, because it’s subjective and doesn’t really matter.

            We’ve established that the show is not holding to prior canon (in one degree or another) which was my only original point.

            But that’s fine – it’s keeping with the spirit of the show, so we don’t need to stress over it.

          • No, I am just explaining them to you. I agree the Holograms are a retcon, but one that fits with the timeline we have. Do you think its reasonable to have holograms for a 200 years and them just to randomly show up in solid form, so solid they can kill you?

            You failed 5 of your six times to show a violation. This is not showing ” we’ve established that the show is not holding to prior canon” Heck that is less a violation then TOS did to itself .

          • Snap

            But if books are “non canon” they aren’t applicable for arguments of what constitutes canon. It also doesn’t help that before an effort was made to provide some continuity with the novels, they frequently and blatantly contradicted one another. Or had extremely stupid concepts like “It worked this time because the Borg weren’t expecting it from us!”

            I certainly haven’t read every novel but of those I have read which involved use of katra, they have all shared one common denominator, the katra was passed when a Vulcan was dying. It can pass from person to person, yes, but the katra involved is of a deceased Vulcan, not transferred to prevent someone from dying and then acting as a mystical way to communicate over vast distances.

            The only instance I have read such a communication device being used has been the Enterprise novels with Trip and T’Pol, but no katra was involved.

            It was a terrible a contrived piece of writing which made no sense. The whole “physical toll” bit doesn’t really fit with canon to explain Sarek’s deterioration. Recall that Sarek was certain that he was not the cause of the emotional outbursts being experienced on the Enterprise and was willing to take a test to determine whether he had Bendii Syndrome when approached about it. Picard also faced the brunt of Sarek’s anguish and mentioned Spock and Amanda, yet not Michael even though Sarek cared enough about her to implant his katra in order to save her life? As it was an uncontrolled torrent of emotion, it is not logical to assume he was suppressing her existence.

            Bendii Syndrome also wasn’t an “unheard of” illness, but one which affected a minority of elderly Vulcans. There are real world illnesses which affect a small portion of the population, so the Bendii description is definitely plausible.

            This is at least one solid example where we can call BS on a bad Discovery concept.

          • Books are Non canon until they are made canon. Really the whole “Katra” thing has on screen done some wild stuff, including floating around in humans like 1700 years after it has died. Really, you are not gonna top that one with what went on here. We did not see it used here to keep her from dying. He was trying to reach her and well that was a mistake. We have seen it used like this before on injured and unconscious people.

            On the Bendii Syndrome, yeah he did not know it was him. That does not change the fact this fits to cause it. You might not like it and it might even be unrelated, but if they use it as such it still lines up.

            Sarek did not mention his oldest son either.

          • Snap

            What’s being confused here is Sarek mentions a “physical” cost, not a mental cost. It doesn’t make sense for a katra to have that sort of effect because Sarek himself describes the katra to Kirk as “everything that is not of the body.” He also explained the condition with Spock and McCoy as “one alive, one not but both in pain.”

            Burnham has apparently had Sarek’s katra in her since childhood but she never had any idea? That is just me “not liking it” it is stupid and contrived writing. Even though Sarek’s logic ‘is uncertain” where his family is concerned, it flies in the face of logic to implant your soul into someone who could potentially die at any time as a result of their career. From what we know of Sarek, he is not that careless and it would be insulting to the character to suggest that he was.

            I know there is another poster here who picks and chooses what to accept based entirely on whether he likes it or not, saying the Klingon augment story doesn’t count because it is stupid. It was a stupid story, but it doesn’t fly in the face of anything which came before, it just clumsily tries to connect TOS to TNG and in this game of ‘what if’ we can rationalize that the TMP Klingon appearance is a result of trying to undo the damage the augment virus caused. If you like, you can even argue that is what resulted in the mutant Discovery Klingons.

            Enterprise did have a katra being passed from host to host and, yes, briefly in a human, but Surak was long since dead, he wasn’t walking around alive while his katra was who knows where. I have not watched those episodes recently (I will review them later to fact check), but if I recall correctly, Archer reacted in a similar way as McCoy. On a story level, it makes zero sense that Burnham could be carrying a katra for a decade or more without having the slightest idea.

            One particular reason why I don’t think the “he didn’t talk about it” rationalization does not work here is even Vulcans need medical attention and in order to gain appropriate medical care you need to disclose, to the best of your knowledge, what is ailing you. Does it sound even remotely logical that Sarek would withhold such a significant piece of information when he is clearly feeling the effects of the mind meld in the present time? He is not at an advanced aged where his judgement is impaired and he is easily manipulated into an emotional outburst, he still has full control of his faculties.

            The only way the entire scenario makes sense with the character is if Discovery isn’t prime or “classic.” I know there are people who both want it to be prime and don’t want it to be prime, but it is elements like this which make a case for it being a unique entry into the multiverse.

          • DC Forever

            Even if you put numbers on your arguments, it does not make you right.

          • I put numbers on them to track them. It far easier to counter and discuss them. If you would like to counter them, please do so.

          • DC Forever

            1. You started out way cool as my friend here. 2. Jerks tried to get me banned. 3. I deserve to speak my mind in a respectful manner the same as anyone else. 4. For people that are supposed to be open minded Star Trek fans, you sure have a way of ganging up on newbies.

          • DC Forever

            Impersonator posting above……..

          • DC Forever

            He’s impersonating me now – I did not post that challenge to you above.

          • I noticed after. He did not seem like your posting style. so I checked the profile

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yeah right loser. You wish.

          • DC Forever

            Impersonator posting above……

          • AmiRami

            @#2, not really. Remember that prior to Journey To Babel Kirk didn’t even know that The Vulcan Ambassador was Spock’s father. Kirk didn’t know that Spock had a fully Vulcan 1/2 brother named Sybok till Star Trek V. And by that point Kirk and Spock had served together for decades.

          • JP

            Yep, and we got to hear them talk about family long past even that!

          • AmiRami

            Granted. But just because we never saw Spock tell Kirk or Bones that he had a (presumably) older adopted sister doesn’t mean he didn’t. If he had instead made the claim that he never had a sister on screen then that would have been an issue.

          • JP

            I guess if it’s good enough for Star Trek V it’s good enough for Discovery.

            I really wish they cast Dwight from The Office as Sybok instead of Harry Mudd. Now THAT would have been fun!

          • AmiRami

            HA!! I admit Harry Mudd seems to be an odd choice for discovery.

          • AmiRami

            To #2, I would add that up until Journey to Babel, Kirk didn’t even know that Sarek, the Vulcan ambassador to the Federation, was even Spock’s father. And he was kinda shocked when he found out. And he didn’t know till STV that Spock had a half, fully Vulcan brother.

            To #3, I agree its totally not a violation. But long range telepathy still seems way unscientific to me.

          • 2: yep

            3: but telepathy is?

          • AmiRami

            well, I tend to personally think of telepathy as a natural version of the Borg, where a part of the brain can transmit and receive brain waves. So the best analogy I can use is sound. If you are in “ear shot”, sure you can be telepathic. but doing it over light years? That should break everything we know about physics.

          • Keith Melton

            How was Troi (or any betazed) able to read minds over a view screen? Line of sight don’t quite work that way.

          • AmiRami

            well think of it this way. How am i able to live on the west coast and talk and see someone from the east coast? My eyes can’t see that far and assuming the sound of my voice didn’t disipate it would take an hour for sound to travel across the US.

            The truth is that we are using technology as a relay. Perhaps 24th century tech can pick up brain waves in the same way that it can pick up light and soundwaves and transmit them?

            So if Troi is on the enterprise and is talking to Barclay on Earth, sure, maybe she can sense his emotions. But she shouldn’t be waking up in the middle of the night and being all like, “wow, Barclay is having a sex dream about me right now!” lol.

            The best example I can give of what I am talking about is the TNG ep with Tin Man.

          • Keith Melton

            “The best example I can give of what I am talking about is the TNG ep with Tin Man.” That gives perfect in universe justification for the katra long distance call.

          • AmiRami

            Thats kinda my point. In this ep Troi very clearly states that telepathy across light years is impossible. Tam counters, impossible for us, not necessarily impossible for Tin Man.

            If a race that is known for its impressive telepathic skills can’t do telepathy over light years I doubt Vulcans can.

          • Keith Melton

            Impossible for those two? Sure, but they weren’t Vulcans. 😉
            I do recall in TMP that Spock sensed V’Ger from all the way back at Vulcan. No katra involved. Sarek’s works easier since he left a bit of himself in Michael. I am ok enough with it that the physical price it comes with it won’t be used often.

          • AmiRami

            I am literally watching DS9 as I write this and Bashir talks about
            “Synaptic pattern displacement, but I have never heard of a non-vulcan doing that”. SO that is further proof of the katra!!! Yay canon!!!

            But I still say Telepathy over light years is BS for Vulcans. In the case of V’Ger, we are talking about a borg like technological entity so IMO I believe tech was involved in that!

          • Keith Melton

            I would argue that V’Ger was tech but conscious. Spock had to sense something. It wasn’t just intuition that made him give up the Kolinahr.

            (man I loved just adding that word to my spell checker)
            .

          • AmiRami

            Oh V’Ger was def conscious. But it wasn’t bound by the limitations of biology. Just like the Borg aren’t 🙂

          • Keith Melton

            We will just have to disagree on how Vulcan telepathy can work then.

          • AmiRami

            Thats totally acceptable. Agree to disagree 🙂

          • Well, so does telepathy 😀 I think the thing he was part of his Katra was trapped in her. It was not planned from how I read it. Just more of vulcans not freaking understanding a human mind does not work like their own does.

          • AmiRami

            fair ebough

  • Tim Lade

    I haven’t used a jump drive in years, seems odd that in the future we are still using data disks.

    • AmiRami

      True. But to be fair, we don’t know how much data is stored on those disks. I mean, you aren’t going to get a petabyte of data on a modern day flash drive for example.

      You could also say that the DIS communicators look ancient as compared to an iPhone or a Galaxy phone from today. But I’m betting DIS communicators don’t need cell towers to operate and an iPhone can’t call a ship in space lol.

    • Keith Melton

      Just because you haven’t does not mean they are not still in use. I use physical media backups near daily. Never trust the cloud (remember, the cloud is just someone elses computer) and networks are never 100% safe.

      • TUP

        I was going to say the same. Surely the info Stamets provided Michael could be transmitted electronically but perhaps he did not want to for security purposes. And if the ship’s systems were disabled, they’d still have physical storage to pull from.

        • Keith Melton

          My main beef will be if we ever see any equivalent PADD device, it better be a singular device with multiple sources internally. Watched an episode of DS9 the other day and O’Brien had a stack of PADDs to read new tech manuals.

          • TUP

            lol true. Maybe O’Brien just preferred having multiple screens with which to compare and go back and forth rather thens witching “tabs” on one device.

            At my work, some people have multiple computer screens to show different things rather than one screen and multiple tabs.

          • Keith Melton

            Oh I run 2 to 3 monitors myself (two at work, three at home.) I know how that is. I can see two table devices even. But Star Trek in the past has had STACKS of devices with the given knowledge that each PADD device was a single source (like a book)
            I think Tilly’s surprise at an actual physical book last week might be a good sign.

          • Snap

            If I had to hazard a guess, I think it was either because of floppy disk-based storage of the time, which are pitiful by today’s standards or a visual tool to depict how busy characters are when they are buried under a sea of PADDs.

          • Keith Melton

            Oh for sure. Just a short sighted idea of the future that always bugged me.

          • Wally Smith

            But new looking Clingons don’t bug you?

      • Wally Smith

        There you go again, making yourself out to seem like the expert and better than everybody. Grow up.

      • DC Forever

        My network is always 100% safe because I know how to actually use computers.

        • DC Forever

          Impersonator posting above…….

    • TUP

      Even today, a jump drive can be much smaller than it is. But there is convenience in having something large enough to actually handle appropriately.

      The likelihood would be that no one needs physical devices at all and everything would be stored and transmitted in a technology akin to Cloud Storage and bluetooth/wifi. But its TV and we need *some* physical items.

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