If there’s one thing Star Trek fans are known for, it’s the love of the tiny details about the universe of the Federation that helps bring the future to life — and now we’ve got some more Discovery details that help expand our knowledge of 23rd Century Starfleet.

While we’ve known for some time the official ship class designations of the series’ hero starships — the Walker-class USS Shenzhou and Crossfield-class USS Discovery (and sister ship USS Glenn) — but now thanks to StarTrek.com’s Star Trek Database, we can now learn that same information for the ill-fated Starfleet armada which faced off against the Klingons at the Battle of the Binary Stars back in Star Trek: Discovery‘s second episode.

  • Engle-class USS T’Plana-Hath (NCC-1004): Named for test pilot and eventual astronaut Joe Engle, who test-flew the joint NASA-Air Force X-15 rocket airplane — and the space shuttle Enterprise — before eventually commanding the space shuttle Columbia.
  • Nimitz-class USS Europa (NCC-1648): Named for World War II-era US Navy fleet admiral Chester Nimitz, who served as commander in chief of the US’s Pacific Fleet — and who eventually signed for the US during the Japanese surrender — and oversaw the US Navy’s submarine programs and, leading to the first nuclear-powered submarines.
  • Hoover-class USS Edison (NCC-1683): Named for US Air Force fighter pilot Bob Hoover, who escaped Nazi captivity in a stolen plane, tested supersonic jets, and has been considered by many to be one of the greatest aviators in history.
  • Cardenas-class USS Yeager (NCC-1437): Named for US Air Force brigadier general Robert Cardenas, a pilot who had a notable career in World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam, served as a test pilot for the USAF, and was assigned to notable posts over his career.
  • Malachowski-class USS Clarke (NCC-1661): Named after US Air Force pilot Nicole Malachowski, the first female member of the famed Thunderbirds acrobatic flying team.

In addition to the ships with design sketches listed above, the database also identifies the Shepard-class USS Kerala (NCC-1255), named for astronaut Alan Shepard, and the Magee-class USS Shran (NCC-1413), named for Canadian pilot John Magee Jr., author of famed aviation poem “High Flight” – most notably used by president Ronald Reagan when addressing the destruction of the space shuttle Challenger in 1986.

UPDATE: Ship designer John Eaves has confirmed these namesakes on his Facebook page.

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  • Quonk

    now there’s some video game and RPG fodder, I guess. I personally don’t dig the nacelle design (I shall dub them “Eavescelles”) and something just a LITTLE different, maybe along the boxy lines of the “Antares-type” design, might have been refreshing. But most of those designs look pretty cool nevertheless. The red lines on the Europa truly lend her some actual TOS-cred.

    • Tuskin38

      according to Eaves, the higher-ups asked him to avoid using round nacelles.

      • Thane D’Imperio

        That sucks, Would have been a nice link to TOS.

      • Christopher Roberts

        a stupid decision for a prequel surrounded on both sides by a distinctive Starfleet style

        • Well ENT put round nacells as
          A 22nd century earth design. So it makes sense they would not be round

          • Tuskin38

            It makes perfect sense that they would be round, they’re round in TOS.

          • Brian_Brodrick

            Only one starship design was ever shown and that was the Constitution class starships. Otherwise we only saw shuttlecraft and a small spaceship. TAS showed us new designs, but they had cylindrical nacelles but the ships were nothing like the Constitutions, instead being big boxy craft that would look more in common with the later Star Wars and Galactica ships than what people claim Trek ships should look like.

            We also in Enterprise that Vulcan ships have ring or partial ring warp drives and other races had rectangular nacelles. So in a Federation of multiple races and ship designs, why wouldn’t Starfleet have more nacelle designs, especially if different companies are competing designs for various contracts..

          • A_Warrior_of_Marley

            You’re referring to designs like the USS Huron:

            http://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/blu-ray/201-BR/thepiratesoforionhd0216.jpg

            Yeah, if you delete the warp nacelles, it does not look like the stereotypical Federation Starfleet ship at all. Even the bridge interior looks only superficially like the Connie Enterprise bridge:

            http://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/blu-ray/201-BR/thepiratesoforionhd0201.jpg

            Here’s Cyrano Jones’ scout ship that only has superficial nods to the look with cylindrical, but really weird nacelles and the only other stereotypical TOS feature is the honkin’ huge deflector dish:

            http://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/blu-ray/105-BR/moretribblesmoretroubleshd0019.jpg

            The drone cargo ships, again only superficially meet the stereotyped Federation look and only because of the nacelles. Delete those and the ships look nothing like the saucers, struts, and nacelles motif that was previously established:

            http://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/blu-ray/105-BR/moretribblesmoretroubleshd0097.jpg

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            That ship is so ugly it makes the NX-01 look half-decent by comparison. 🙂

          • A_Warrior_of_Marley

            Not every posting in Starfleet can be to the cool looking hero ship.

          • But ENT killed that whole look and style. We saw one( maybe two) ships 50 years ago. TMP killed round nacells 3 years after TOS and ENT made it clear it was a human and pre federation style. They retconned em out if looks are important.

          • Tuskin38

            No it didn’t because they had a Connie in an episode.

          • Thomas Elkins

            Oy vey, why do you insist on repeating this fallacy? The classic Enterprise design was not retconned by the TMP refit. Retcon is Retroactive Continuity, which means new information retroactively alters previously established information. The refit of the Enterprise is part of that film’s plot. I don’t give a damn about the number or years between the end of their five year journey and the start of the TMP era. The ship was refit, which means it looked like the TOS ship and then it looked like the TMP ship. PERIOD.

            TNG was created after TMP and both the classic and refit designs are seen together in the Enterprise-D’s computer. They exist side by side in the canon. Enterprise also showed the Constitution-class USS Defiant side by side the NX-class starship. I don’t care if you find it “out of place” because that’s only your opinion. IT IS NOT FACT! The original Constitution-class was NEVER retconned out of existence, unless Discovery chooses to do so now.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc6173bb7775a708d202397d9caa640a183ca2067a99e5f0af8e34add283bdc7.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c6c7d1ca573878b5759e86f7000c74e7cdcf1f071d9f257c7c3365230a60d588.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/279f0e847a66533440c0f187c86a3f1b3d5d99b644630a233c0a6c2c3eb6541b.jpg

          • They reused old art, why must you insist a showin 2017 look old and campy? That image proved the TOS look can not work, it looked goofy and only a sub set of fanbois liked it. To me and many others it was an eye roll as someone old POS got pulled out to set next to the new modern NX

          • Thomas Elkins

            “That image proved the TOS look can not work,”

            In your opinion and your opinion does not dictate canon. They did not use this design in Enterprise because of the “fanbois”. They used it because that’s the canon design of the TOS Constitution-class. End of story.

          • No, son. I explained this to you a dozen times. The Constitution is canon, the look is not. I can not wait till you cry when they redesign it, I can not longer be nice to you guys over this as you are totally unreasonable and dishonest about it.

            Your outrage at what is coming will be like a fine, fine wine and I am damned well going to enjoy it.

          • Thomas Elkins

            I’m about to stop being nice to you about it as well. Star Trek is a television show and is therefor a VISUAL medium. It’s not a novel which requires the reader to fill in the visuals with their own imagination. Star Trek canon policy is what’s on screen is canon, which means the events AND visuals of the series are canon. These visuals have been consistent for 50 years and while retcons have occurred in various places, the Constitution has NEVER been retconned. If Discovery chooses to do so now, then that will be the first time it has been.

            You’re the one being dishonest about it because you’ve let your own opinion cloud reality.

        • Dwight Williams

          Unless there’s lawyers intervening to prevent the usage of those design elements because of the CBS-Paramount-Viacom restructuring…

          • Tuskin38

            CBS owns everything.

        • David Fowler

          Did you need a safe space to retreat to? You seem triggered.

          • Christopher Roberts

            I’ll stand by my dislike for the designs thanks. It could’ve been worse, I suppose. The Klingon starships don’t seem influenced by anything they ever had before.

        • Simon

          TMP was 15 years later. The Enterprise-refit didn’t have round nacelles either.

        • Tuskin38

          They could be saving the round nacelles for the Connie.

      • Vortex

        John Eaves is a great ship designer, but it is very clear people who don’t give a fudge or know a fudge about trek ship design (The higher ups) put their boot in.

        • John Eaves is excused if he was explicitly told to “design the same stuff as you did for the 24th century” for Discovery.

          • Tuskin38

            I disagree, nothing here looks 24th century.

            More like late 23rd.

          • Edison and Clarke may pass as late 23rd century. The rest, including Shenzhou, is totally 24th century.

          • Tuskin38

            I disagree, they don’t have anything in common.

          • Why do you deny the obvious?

          • Tuskin38

            Why are you?

          • Perplexum

            The only one that looks more primitive than a Constitution class to me is the T’Plana-Hath. It has this simple, boxy design with those 4 plain round impulse engines.

          • That’s what I thought too when I saw it in the episode. On a closer look, the details don’t look right.

        • Tuskin38

          Or they could be saving the round nacelles for the Constitution.

          Bussards on all the ships are still dome shaped.

          • Septim

            I find it interesting that most people relate nacelles with ‘era’. For me it was always the deflector dish. ENT and TOS bronze coloured antenna with(out) blue light, TMP round blue light, TNG/DS9/VOY mostly oval shapes of different coloured lighs or single light with patterns. There are some exceptions, though, as always…but for me the deflector would be dead give-away to era the ship belongs to. And as far as Shenzhou having more streamlined shape than Constitution, I do not think it’s denoting it is more advanced or better…just look at real world example of Russian carrier Kuznetsov….very streamlined shape, looks very modern, but in reality it’s floating junk. It all comes down to the prevailing style of the day…and styles can change.

          • Tuskin38

            The deflector is another good indicator.

    • It’s not just the nacelles. Those designs totally look like 24th century.

      • Simon

        No they don’t.

        • Don’t deny the obvious. 4 out of 6 look totally like Eaves’s work for the late 24th century (watch out his blog for some non canon examples that further corroborate it). 2 of 6 may pass as TOS movie era. 6 of 6 are totally anachronistic.

  • Honeylard

    Nice!

  • Tuskin38

    I don’t like that they’re all named after Americans.

    • Danny Jensen

      Class names are irrelevant, T’Plana-Hath was a matron of Vulcan philosophy, and you didn’t read the rest of the article “the Magee-class USS Shran (NCC-1413), possibly named for Canadian pilot John Magee Jr.”
      and Shran was Commander Shran from Enterprise

      • Tuskin38

        Yes the ship was named Shran, but the class name is Human.

        I also facepalmed really hard when I skimmed over Magee, considering I’m Canadian and did an assignment on High Flight in Highschool

        • You’re Canadian? I would have never have guessed! I am shocked sir, simply shocked!

      • Victorinox

        Are they? Since when? In this show, they even highlighted the “Constitution class” in a recent episode.

        • Starshipdown

          Ah yes, but it’s obviously named after that evil United States Constitution and not the Constitution of the Federation! 🙂

          • Victorinox

            Who said the United States, or its constitution, are evil?

          • Bill Thomas

            Many many many many many people. (Many.)

            Wrong people, of course. 🙂

    • Partha Mittra

      There was one ship named the Kerala which is a province in south India.

      • Tuskin38

        Kerala’s class name is still American

        • Brian_Brodrick

          No, no it is not:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala

          “Kerala (/ˈkɛrələ/), historically known as Keralam, is an Indian state in South India on the Malabar Coast. It was formed on 1 November 1956 following the States Reorganisation Act by combining Malayalam-speaking regions. Spread over 38,863 km2 (15,005 sq mi), it is bordered by Karnataka to the north and northeast, Tamil Nadu to the east and south, and the Lakshadweep Sea to the west. With 33,387,677 inhabitants as per the 2011 Census, Kerala is the thirteenth-largest Indian state by population. It is divided into 14 districts with the capital and the largest city being Thiruvananthapuram. Malayalam is the most widely spoken language and is also the official language of the state.”

          • Tuskin38

            I said its CLASS name. Not the Ship’s name.

            Read the post again

      • CAPTAIN D-MAN

        Also USS Shenzhou’s previous first officer commander Sonnisar ch’Theloh became captain of USS Tereshkova.

        • Tuskin38

          Not canon.

          • CAPTAIN D-MAN

            You, sir, are not canon. Michael and Spock on an away mission are.

          • Tuskin38

            The novel isn’t canon, this was said by the novel’s writer and one of the writers from the show.

          • No, Novels are not canon.

    • Be nice to see some non human names as well.

      • Brian_Brodrick

        USS Shran is there.

        • Victorinox

          That’s not a class name.

          • Brian_Brodrick

            But it is a ship name it is not a Human one or a 20th century one.

          • Tuskin38

            We were talking about Class names, not the ship names.

          • Brian_Brodrick

            Cardenas MAY be a reference to a U.S. American citizen as speculated above, but it is also a common Spanish-Mexican name as well.

          • Tuskin38

            Considering all the class names in the show so far have been named after pilots, it is probably the pilot.

          • Agreed. Why should we assume anything unlikely, just to excuse the poor name choices?

          • Brian_Brodrick

            Why should that still be a problem for you, though?

          • Tuskin38

            I’d like some non-US/UK/Canadian names.

            Robert Cardenas was born in Mexico, but his family moved to the US when he was five.

          • Starshipdown

            That’s actually a more legitimate way to state your position here. It’s a *nice* thing when the staff gives a nod to other countries and such, but it really doesn’t detract too much if they don’t always do that. I don’t care very much that the class names for the ships have a mostly U.S. origin because that in turn has zero effect on the stories and characters and we have heard there are many ships with non-American, European, origin names, so it all balances out.

          • Victorinox

            Ship names and Class names are two different things. But even if you consider only ship names, out of 9 ships, 7 were human names, 1 Vulcan (with a lot of significance for humans given the name of the First Contact ship), and 1 Andorian (with a lot of significance for humans, as without Shran’s help Archer couldn’t have saved Earth from the Xindi).

            These are basically, all names that resonate with humans. Can a Vulcan find the name “Yeager” significant? Can an Andorian find the name Edison significant?

          • Brian_Brodrick

            More like significance to the audience watching the show. If they started randomly throwing in some random K’pling’pong’hoop name without context, then it becomes confusing. And this is at least a major improvement for Trek when you consider Vulcan were crewing a Constitution with the name “Intrepid”.

          • Victorinox

            Then we are back to the original point. This show has a worldwide audience. 9 American names? Give me a break.

          • Perplexum

            Non-american names are confusing the american viewers?

          • Brian_Brodrick

            Strawman fallacy so noted.

          • Dwight Williams

            Eventually, it may become one.

          • Victorinox

            Or not… ¯_(ツ)_/¯

        • I meant class names. It was nice to see two non-human ship names though.

    • Perplexum

      Yeah, I feel the same way, not just about the class names but in general. The whole crew basically sounds anglo-american, minus Saru of course (and maybe Gabriel Lorca, that could be spanish).

      • Victorinox

        It looks to me like the crews are a mix match that makes sense if you consider an ever globalizing human society. We saw this before with Picard (technically French, but with an English accent).

        Now we have Captain Philippa Georgiou, clearly a Greek name, but she has Chinese features/accent. Same with Gabriel Lorca, clearly a Spanish name, but he has Caucasian Americans features and accent.

        • Brian_Brodrick

          Castilian Spanish is a thing, so Lorca having fair hair and skin can still work.

          • Victorinox

            I’m cool with that.

      • Aaron

        I ageee with this in part, specifically with Lorca and Tyler. I’m not sure why the producers felt that Jason Isaacs and Shazad Latif should have American accents vs their native English and Scottish accents.

        • A_Warrior_of_Marley

          It was Jason Isaacs that chose to go with the U.S. Southern stylized accent for the character. As for Tyler and Latif, who knows.

    • Dwight Williams

      Amen to that.

    • Discovery further disconnects itself from the rest of Star Trek with this new naming tradition for class ships. I doubt there is a USS Crossfield. And even if there is one, what is the sense in giving all starship prototypes Americentric and 20th century-centric names? And does that resonate with a planet that is united for 150 years, and with an interplanetary Federation that exists for 100 years? Discovery so desperately wanted to diverse but obviously not in terms of ship names.

      • Perplexum

        I have to admit that I didn’t know who Crossfield was and I wouldn’t bet that people will remember him more than important aviation pioneers like the Montgolfieres, the Wrights or Otto Lilienthal.

      • Brian_Brodrick

        So…. T’Plana-Hath and Shran is Americentric or 20th century-centric? Huh.

        • Victorinox

          Those are not class names…

      • Tuskin38

        John Eaves is fond of pilots, he named the Shenzhou’s class and the Discovery’s class, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he named the rest.

      • Mark Bernero

        Agreed!

      • Aaron

        Take a look at previous starship classes:
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek_Starfleet_starships_ordered_by_class

        There are a LOT of human/American/Canadian/UK classes in there.

        Your complaint is baseless

        • You just confirmed what I complain about. It’s reason to make it better in Discovery, and not add even more Americentrism.

          • Aaron

            Actually I proved your point wrong. Your first sentence states that Discovery is further disconnecting itself from previous Trek because of the class names; when, in fact, Discovery is very much following in the foot steps of previous Trek. You can argue that Discovery should break the trend, which I would not argue with, but that wasn’t your argument.

          • Yup. That’s what I wrote. And since you took the pain of going back to my original statement (doesn’t happen very often these days), here is the supplemented statement:

            Problem 1: Discovery ship classes are all named for US test pilots or military people of the 20th century. The issue with inappropriate patriotism aside, ship class names were never monothematic in Starfleet. On the contrary, you would give a gunboat a “small” name and an aircraft carrier a “big” name in real life too. That’s where Discovery disconnects itself from Trek and from real life traditions and becomes silly.

            Problem 2: Star Trek Discovery prides itself in being diverse. That’s why I would have expected diversity in ship names too. But it isn’t more diverse than previous Trek series, and even less diverse regarding the all-American class names (as I did mention somewhere else in this thread). No contradiction here with my initial complaint.

      • Tuskin38

        John Eaves said on Facebook that a USS Crossfield and other first run ships should exist.

        https://i.imgur.com/eFL97VN.png

    • Simon

      Very TOS if you ask me.

    • Brian_Brodrick

      Huh. I didn’t know that T’Plana-Hath is the name of a famous American.

      • Tuskin38

        I was referring to the Class names, not the ship names.

        • Don’t expect people to read before they complain.

          • Brian_Brodrick

            Kettle-pot-black. You’ve done nothing but complain, often without merit. Just pointing out that many names aren’t American or have a non-English origin, like the Cardenas-class:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A1rdenas_(surname)

          • At least I know what I complain about.

            Your retconning has no relevance pertaining to the original complaint, since the pattern in the names is very obvious.

          • Brian_Brodrick

            It’s a false complaint when many non-U.S., rather many non-Anglo names are presented as ships of the class. It shouldn’t even matter about the class names, that’s how petty a complaint it is!

          • It wouldn’t matter if class names were just for internal reference. But they are traditionally “as good as canon” even if not readable or explicitly mentioned.

          • Nowhereman10

            Brian is right. It is petty that you’re complaining about some class names for the ship that a designer may have chosen because he likes pilots and then we see a fair number of those ships that are of those classes of ship are of completely non-human origin (at least in universe). And as has been pointed out, this is a vast improvement over previous Star Trek where Vulcans were flying around on a ship that was clearly named after a U.S. World War II aircraft carrier.

            And let’s face it, the primary audience for Trek is still in the U.S. and Canada, so many of the names are going to made to appeal to that. It’s like complaining that Doctor Who having all aliens talk with variations of the English accent. It’s just a thing that we have to accept sometimes and does little to really detract from the stories presented.

          • “We’re soooo diverse in Discovery but let’s stay all American”, eh?

          • Brian_Brodrick

            Full strawman ahead! And this is a major U.S. production, so what’s the problem with a bit of focus towards it’s prime audience with a fair number of other names placed in for the sake of the audiences in the other countries? Nothing. It’s a baseless complaint.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Brian, I agree completely with all of your comments here.

            And I usually agree with Bernd on starship stuff, but this whole supposed “issue” of the suppose “American-washing of starship class names” is just silly and inconsequential.

            And the dude who used the Canadian flag for his avatar — that seems a bit hypocritical to me as well given he’s chiming in here on this…he surely can’t be considered impartial on any nationality naming discussion, obviously?

          • Tuskin38

            What are you talking about?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You have the Canadian flag as your avatar, and you make comments like:

            “I don’t like that they’re all named after Americans.”

            “Earth has more people then just America.”

            What am I supposed to conclude based on this? Obviously not that you are a fan of America? 😉

          • Tuskin38

            No? I have nothing against America.

            Starfleet is made up of more the just America, Canada and Earth. Would be nice to have class names taken from other countries and worlds.

          • Tuskin38

            You’re completely wrong.

            A Starfleet made of many worlds should have more then just anglo names.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            But your are arguing that while proudly illustrating a symbol of nationalism that your ascribe to for your own country? It comes across as disingenuous.

          • Tuskin38

            Well I’m not being disingenuous.

            I just happen to like my flag.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            And Eaves just happens to be a history buff on North American test pilots.

          • DC Forever

            Seems that way to me as well.

          • TUP

            Canadians aren’t Americans.

          • Bill Thomas

            Well… North Americans.

          • Aaron

            You’re still ignoring the names of the actual ships. The names, which are heard a lot more often in-show than the class, are very diverse. As Brian has been saying, your complaint is nothing more than needing to find something to complain about.

          • I don’t ignore them. I only think it’s silly that all ship prototypes of the UFP Starfleet are named for just one country of one planet in one century.

          • TUP

            One is Canadian.

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    • CAPTAIN D-MAN

      I agree. Outrageous!

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Dude, why isn’t your avatar more inclusive to other nations? Your selection of that avatar implies one single country precedence? Wouldn’t a more international avatar be better?

      (see the point here?).

      • Tuskin38

        …no?

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          You choice of an avatar is pretty inconsequential, right?

          • Tuskin38

            no?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Be obtuse if you must.

          • Tuskin38

            Earth (and the Federation) has more people then just Americans (and Canadians)

            How about some diversity in the class names.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You really need to get that chip off your shoulder.

            I’d much rather have your president than ours.

          • Tuskin38

            What does that have to do with anything?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Good, you are ready to listen.

            Picking an avatar is a relatively inconsequential thing for a person to do. The naming of a starship class type in the context of all of the naming that goes on for individual ships, etc, is also relatively inconsequential. I don’t see the point of this supposed “outrage” from people that the model designer happened to pick one set of starship classes off of some north american test pilots who are historical figures, who he personally is an amatuer history buff on.

            My analogy here was that I could similarly claim “outrage” here for your avatar as being offensive to people not from Canada in the “audience” here. But I would not do that, because it would be inconsequential and silly for me to do that. You simply like your country and picked that for your avatar. That was my point.

            Don’t sweat the small stuff.

          • DC Forever

            It does seem hypocritical that a poster who puts a flag of a nation as his ID here tried to make a point about multi-national inclusiveness.

            Flag-waving nationalism is the vibe that his ID portrays.

          • Tuskin38

            Am I not allowed to be proud of my country?

          • A_Warrior_of_Marley

            Are those of us who work on American television and Internet streaming series not allowed to have some pride in our countries as well?

          • Tuskin38

            That isn’t the point.

          • DC Forever

            Can you not see how posting with a nationalistic-themed ID while arguing for more international representation comes across here as hypocrital?

            Shouldn’t you “practice what you preach?”

          • Tuskin38

            They’re not even remotely related.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            It’s weird how you can’t put himself in others’ shoes here and see how your posts and your avatar appear to the general audience here on Trekcore — essentially “waving your own country’s flag” while at the same time criticizing Eaves for doing something akin to your public show of pride with an innocuous naming of a few ship classes within a Trek universe that does have diversity in ship names overall.

            I agree with many of your posts here, but this just smacks of being disingenuous.

          • Tuskin38

            I don’t understand how the two can’t be exclusive.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I count 3 of us including Warrior of Marley. And guess what — there are only 2 other people here along with you who are talking about this naming thing as being an “issue” as well.

            So if you are saying that 2-3 people does not qualify as bringing up an issue here, I would assume that you will withdraw this argument you are making now, right?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well said.

          • DC Forever

            Exactly. He gives his own publicly-displayed nationalism a free pass.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yep! It’s weird how he can’t put himself in others’ shoes here and see how the hypocrisy of him posting on this topic while “waving that flag.”

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Agreed. Apparently he gets to display some minor public pride in his country, but Eaves is insulting the entire planet by just picking some names for a few starship classes in one single era among 200 years of star-ships with a handful of North American test pilots.

          • Tuskin38

            Not when the setting of show is suppose to include all nations and many different planets. Having so many ships named after citizens from a single nation state doesn’t make sense in the context of the show.

            I’m glad the actual ships themselves are diverse.

          • Tuskin38

            Naming the ship classes isn’t inconsequential

          • DC Forever

            It looks like you re-wrote this post? Didn’t it originally said “I don’t like that it’s all Americans”, and did not include Canadians and the Federation in your original post either?

          • Tuskin38

            Canadians was always there, I added Federation a minute later.

            You must be thinking of another post.

    • Jim Bob

      The Show is filmed in Toronto, so you can have your cake and eat it too.

      • Tuskin38

        Way to completely miss the point.

        • Jim Bob

          I seem to have hit the point right on. You’re outright complaining about the Americanisms of a show with a history of largely american characters and names and production locations. The article won’t load up for me at this point but I can see the comment thread on Disqus. First thing that I see is you and your self centered “I don’t Like…” comment. I’m sooo sorry that when they created this background information that they didn’t consult your diversity minded self.

          • Tuskin38

            Still not the point.

            Also the producers/writers themselves are the ones that have gone on about diversity in the show.

          • Jim Bob

            yes, it is a highly diverse in cast, crew, ship names, sexuality you name it. What is your point exactly? That an Earth focused Starfleet with a penchant for 1960s space pioneers isn’t diverse enough?

          • Tuskin38

            The Federation is also more then just earth.
            What about a class named after a Vulcan? A Tellarite? A Betazoid?

          • Jim Bob

            yes, I know that Earth isn’t the only planet in the Federation, I’ve only been a Star Trek fan since I was old enough to understand what was on the TV. But Starfleet is very Earth focused, the majority of Starfleet crew are human, all throughout Star Trek history. The vulcan’s have their own fleet and at this particular point it is rare to see a vulcan as a member of Starfleet. My point is, that most member worlds haven’t fully integrated into Starfleet like we see in the TNG era. Keep in mind that Spock is the only non-human on the Enterprise for most of the ship’s service pre-refit.

          • Tuskin38

            “the majority of Starfleet crew are human, all throughout Star Trek history”

            Because of a production and budget reasons.

            Also ‘rare’? What about the USS Intrepid? Constitution Class crewed ONLY by Vulcans?

          • Jim Bob

            400 Vulcans all on one ship… and how many ships are crewed exclusively by vulcans? The Intrepid (TOS) and the T’kumbra (DS9) and Hera (mostly vulcan, TNG) are the only ones mentioned on screen. So yes, I can say with a certanty that Vulcans are rare in Starfleet in the TOS/DIS era, especially when it was much more common for a vulcan to join the expeditionary group.

          • Tuskin38

            Starfleet is still Multi-species. It is main defense/attack and exploratory arm of the Federation.

          • Jim Bob

            Your point being?

          • Tuskin38

            The point being obvious in my post.

          • Jim Bob

            A point that you aren’t even trying to re-enforce at the moment. How can this be a good debate?

            Starfleet is Multi-species yes, I can see that when I watch Star Trek, on my TV, or read it in my books…

            The US Navy is multi-racial, but has ships named after figures that were from a time before racial integration.

            Starfleet is Multi-species but has ships named after figures before species integration…

          • Tuskin38

            and they have ship classes named after many people from within their own country (and I think a couple outside of it)

            Starfleet is the Federation, so they should have classes named after non-Humans.

          • Jim Bob

            And eventually Starfleet will have ship classes named for non-humans, but at this point in Star Trek History, with the old pre-integration names are still prevalent. And they seem to be in need of replacement with the losses they are suffering from the Klingons.

          • Tuskin38

            Starfleet has actual ships named after people from other species already, evidenced by this article. Having classes by now wouldn’t be strange.

          • Jim Bob

            Care to elaborate? this page hasn’t been loading up.

          • Tuskin38

            It is loading fine for me.

            It is the ships from Episode 2.

          • Jim Bob

            I keep getting timed out, so I can’t actually read the article that you’re referring to.

          • Tuskin38
          • Jim Bob

            Looks primarily to be Earth Aerospace pioneers, besides Admiral Nimitz.

            T’Plana-Hath was the name of the vulcan ship in First Contact, so it would make sense even with my arguments about an Earth focused Starfleet.

          • Tuskin38

            Shran is also there.

            Starfleet is Federation focused, NOT Earth.

          • Jim Bob

            You still don’t seem to understand man, Starfleet came from EARTH, with other federation members eventually integrating into the fleet. Please tell me you’ve watched Enterprise.

          • Tuskin38

            It has been nearly 100 years since the Federation was formed.

          • Jim Bob

            yes, and the Vulcans still have their own starship fleet. As we can see, there are some non-human crew on the Discovery, evidence that other Federation worlds have integrated into starfleet. But Starfleet is sill majority human, and has a tradition of naming ships after human historical figures or locations.

          • Tuskin38

            The Vulcan’s have a civilian fleet, not military.

          • Jim Bob

            A civilian fleet that that is apparently armed enough to open fire on Klingon ships, A civilian fleet that was far better armed than Earth Starfleet in Enterprise, A civilian fleet named “expeditionary group”.

            “A journey or voyage undertaken by a group of people with a particular purpose, especially that of exploration, scientific research, or war.” – From the definition of Expedition, looks like War/Defence is a primary purpose of the Vulcan Expeditionary Group.

          • Tuskin38

            “Or war” not “and war”

            They’re Vulcan’s, the primary purpose would be scientific research. Especially since they were recruiting out of the Science Academy.

          • Jim Bob

            Lets “Scientifically Research” Andorian Communications secretly from a Monastery

            Lets “Scientifically Research” how many phaser blasts this Klingon ship can take.

          • Tuskin38

            That was 100 years ago and Vulcan has reformed since then.

            Civilian ships would have defences.

          • Jim Bob

            and their fleet still exists.

          • Tuskin38

            No evidence at all of a purely offensive military fleet.

            They would probably have a local defence fleet stationed around their worlds. But nothing that would go out on the offensive.

            The Federation Starfleet is the war fleet.

          • Jim Bob

            Neither is Starfleet a purely military fleet.

          • Tuskin38

            That doesn’t counter my point at all.

          • Jim Bob

            I noticed that you edited your last post after I made my response. My point is still even after 100 years, the old Starfleet ships very much reflect Earth history because the Starfleet service originated with Earth. It took a while for the other species to fully integrate into Starfleet, as we see with the crews of the ships in Discovery. They are diverse, but still have majority human crews.

          • Tuskin38

            The lack of alien class names has bugged me since TNG.

            Some I can live with, ones that are not names but just words.

            But classes named after people have always been Human IIRC.

          • Jim Bob

            Lets make up some Alien names then. Xenu class courier, that can be one.

  • Yes! More ship data and images please!

  • Locutus

    One of my gripes about the show is they don’t really give us good looks at the ships. The shots are too dark. Like that Klingon D-7 (or was it a Bird of Prey). For all the design that went into these ships, I really could hardly make them out. Although to be fair, I’ve watched most the episodes on a computer monitor instead of my larger TV. The shadowing still seems too heavy to me.

    • Agreed. Shots are consistently too dark. Also, the light in space is neon-like. Doesn’t give me a sense of realism.

      • Brian_Brodrick

        Deep space should be well-lit…. huh.

        • They might produce a special version for you in which we can’t see anything except perhaps lighted windows.

          • Brian_Brodrick

            Why not? That’s actually close to what Roddenberry wanted for The Cage and many early concepts of the Enterprise were shown this way for the artwork that eventually was part of The Motion Picture’s production. If you want true realism, then dark outlines of spaceships fighting seemingly all alone, even if they are part of a huge fleet.

          • I want good looking visuals in the first place. Not ships in neon light. And not shots that are so dark that we can’t tell what’s going on.

          • Starshipdown

            I’m not sure what you’re watching the show on, but on a large screen made for HD and streaming right off of CBS’ All Access, the ships are clear and reasonably well-lit.

        • Thomas Elkins

          So there can be firey explosions and sound effects in the vacuum of space, but ships can’t be well lit for the sake of realism?

      • Perplexum

        Rather than dark, the shots are blurried with filters and strange light sources everywhere. I wouldn’t mind darker, if it looked more realistic.
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6fd9d19a7a7e4f5532a6c410a9a965b8a2f31808b9f9d438d5dea03d354bb0b6.jpg .

  • Chromejob

    A ship looking much like the USS Reliant from TWOK, and registry NCC-1648, an anagram for -1864 … is clearly a little homage. IMHO.

  • It is interesting how they try to maintain the stance that the Constitution class is something special, considering that all above ships (the Shenzhou and Discovery anyway) are of equal size or even considerably bigger. Not to mention how out of place the Connie will look like next to the 24th century fleet of the Discoveryverse (I am convinced it will happen, they will not dare to reboot the original Enterprise like they did with everything else). Perhaps the original Enterprise is the same design but 578m long in the Discovery canon? (Everything is possible these days, even bad jokes coming true.)

    • Thomas Elkins

      I don’t think size is really that important. Weren’t some Vulcan ships in the 22nd century as big as the Sovereign-class of the 24th century? I have a feeling size isn’t the reason the Constitution-class is pride of the fleet.

      • We know that at least until the 21st century and once again in the 24th century, size does matter.

        • Thomas Elkins

          I don’t know, the Defiant is a tough little ship.

          • But not a prestigious ship to advance your career. And not at all something that 24th would present as their flagship.

          • Victorinox

            The E was smaller than the D, and I am hard pressed to say that an assignment on a Galaxy class (which clearly were still around) would be more prestigious than on the Enterprise E, which was significantly smaller.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You’re kidding, right?

            The E outguns the D 4 to 1, and that class was specifically developed to take on the Borg. It’s not even close that the Sovereign-class would be more desirable than a Galaxy-class for Starfleet career advancement…not even close.

          • Victorinox

            Do you ever read before posting?

            That is exactly my point. The original comment was that the Constitution would be somehow less desirable for career advancement than the new upscalled Discovery era ships because it is now smaller than other ships. My point was that size isn’t a deciding factor, as shown by the Sovereign being smaller yet more desirable than other bigger ships like the Galaxy.

            So thank you for agreeing with me.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Ah, my apologies. Yes, we are in agreement here.

          • I think folks forget the connie is a heavy crusier. Sure it may be 10+ years old, but its,still a heavy cruiser.

          • DC Forever

            But I think the E would actually be preferred by most captains over the D?

    • Simon

      Someone online did a render of the Constitution refit and the Shenzhou. Not only is the refit considerably bigger but the Shenzhou looks extremely primitive next to it.

      • Shenzhou is slightly longer than 400m. Definitely bigger than Constitution.

    • Tuskin38

      They don’t look 24th century at all.

      There are no 24th century ships that look remotely like these designs.

      They also still have domed bussard collectors like the Connie, they have phaser hardpoints like the refit, they don’t have strips.

      • You’re probably right. I never cared very much for Starfleet ship designs and I have not been cataloguing and analyzing them for 20 years.

        • Tuskin38

          They have more in common with mid to late 23rd century then 24th.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Bernd may overstate his case a tad, but the designs at the very lead are several decades more mature than TOS Trek ships, even when including TMP and the Reliant in WOK. Late 23rd Century/early 24th for sure.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Agreed. I wish they would just day “we are updating the pre-TOS/TOS universe some here” and be honest about it as a necessary update for a 50-year old show. Trying to pretend this is all consistent with leading into the TOS is half-baked.

      • Tuskin38

        Well it is clear that is what they did.

  • Thomas Elkins

    I like these ships. I know they don’t look right for the TOS era, but really they’re not TOS ships. They’re post-Enterprise, pre-TOS ships. Seeing them being destroyed by the “Klingons” is like seeing Miranda-class or Excelsior-class ships being destroyed by the Dominion. They’re old, but they’re still in service. If anything, the loss of these ships will pave the way for the TOS looking ships. In theory anyways. They’ve talked about the Constitution-class before, so we can only wait and see what she’s gonna look like when the time comes.

    Them not having round nacelles doesn’t bother me either. Ships in the 24th century, like the Galaxy, Intrepid and Sovereign-classes all had completely different nacelle designs. I don’t think it’s unrealistic for 23rd century, or 22nd century ships still in service, to have different designs from each other. And yeah, I get that they have that 24th century look as well. I can see past it though, since we’ve seen real world designs reused throughout history as well. It could be argued that these different designs are the result of alien influence during the formation of the Federation. Humans had the primarily round design, (NX-01), but nacelle designs changed when the Andorians and Tellarites started giving their input. Then eventually they go back to being round, (1701), before changing shape again later on, (TMP-TNG eras).

    I have a few gripes with Discovery, Klingons being the primary example, but the Starfleet ships are not one of them. That is unless they completely retcon the Constitution-class. Then the show will be dead to me.

    • Simon

      The ONLY canon Starfleet ship we saw in TOS was the Enterprise. You therefore can’t assume the rest of the fleet looked like her.

      • Victorinox

        ^^^THIS^^^

      • Tuskin38
        • Victorinox

          Ok, 2 ships in what is supposed to be a fleet of thousands? Mmmm

          Also, “in the original final edit of “Charlie X” the Antares is not depicted on screen, leaving its appearance open to imagination”

          • Thomas Elkins
          • Victorinox

            That’s not a Starfleet ship.

          • Thomas Elkins

            “In terms of its design, Okuda added that “the basic idea was Dave Rossi’s suggestion. He thought that because the Medusans were non-corporeal and might not have developed technology as we know it, they might use Federation hardware, so their ships could have a distinct Federation style.”

          • Victorinox

            Still not a Federation ship. Might/Could… nop.

          • Thomas Elkins

            But they ARE Federation nacelles. Open your eyes, man.

          • Victorinox

            I really wonder if people actually read before posting. Let me break it down for you.

            1) The issue discussed is that not all STARFLEET ships look like the Enterprise, so we shouldn’t expect every other ship in the fleet to look like that. Which is true.

            2) The Medusan vessel is not a STARFLEET ship. The vessel functioned under the authority of the Medusans.

            3) There is no canon evidence that the nacelles are “Federation”. That was never said or established on screen.

            4) All we have is the “opinion” of Mike Okuda saying that they COULD or MIGHT be Federation. That is not canon.

          • Thomas Elkins

            1. I never said they would look the same, or look exactly like the Enterprise, in my original post. That made Simon’s reply to my post completely unnecessary. I did say that the older Discovery designs could fade away in favor of newer TOS design, since a lot of these ships are being destroyed in the war, but then I went on to discuss nacelle designs.

            2. The Medusans are still Federation members, but that’s not why I brought it up. I brought it up because the people who designed the ship openly stated that they designed it to look like it used Federation hardware. The Medusans are Federation member who had access to Federation designs and used them on their ship.

            3. If you open your eyes and look at it there is. You’d have to be completely blind to not see that the nacelles on that ship are of similar design to the Constitution-class and Antares-type. That’s why I brought it up, because those three ships might be different in their overall designs, but they do share the same basic nacelle design. This takes me back to point one where I mentioned future ships taking on a TOS look, which the ships in Discovery don’t really have.

            4. It wasn’t an opinion, it was the thought process that went into designing the ship for the show. It’s true they don’t come out of say it on screen, but that takes me back to point number three. You’d have to be blind to not see the Federation influence in the design. Those are TOS nacelles on that Medusan ship, which we could potentially see in other future Starfleet designs going forward.

            We could see the Discovery ship move away from Enterprise territory and enter TOS territory.

          • Tuskin38

            The Enterprise is at least 10 years old by the time the show starts, the class probably a few years older then that.

            The Discovery is newer then the Constitution.

          • Thomas Elkins

            The USS Discovery is brand new. Is the Crossfield-class brand new?

          • Tuskin38

            Who knows.

            The Discovery and the Glenn were built for testing the spore drive.

        • Simon

          USS GRISSOM, Oberth class, older than Constitution, squarish nacelles.

          • Tuskin38

            Registry Numbers mean nothing. TBH.
            They’re hardly consistent.

            I.E. the USS Constellation, NCC-1017

            The Grissom looks TMP era.

          • Simon

            No, she was clearly an old, tiny ship. TNG showed bridge modules were frequently updated.

          • Tuskin38
          • Simon

            The guys at ILM specifically said she was an older ship.

          • The issue is, that is not canon. we have no clue when they made them. I think its another clue that at the time, GR was looking to erase the TOS ship look.

          • Simon

            GR was demoted to “Executive Consultant” and not allowed to interfere on the films after TMP.
            Grissom (old) NCC-638. Excelsior (new) NX-2000
            I think the designers at ILM know more than internet folks.

          • Still does not make it canon man. It has to be stated somewhere on screen, or we simply do not know its age. And the issue for many people are, its clearly more advanced then the TOS connie.

          • Simon

            Oberth is late 22nd Century.

          • Unless they state it on film, no its not.

          • Simon

            They never showed a toilet on film either. Doesn’t mean they didn’t have one.
            Canon also cuts both ways. Show me a canon source that it ISN’T old.

          • You can’t prove a negative man. There are no canon sources on the age. The real issue is, its the same style as the so called “refit”. And while yes, GR likeily meant to reboot the look and make the Phase II style canon, he was wishywashy on it and its not on screen.

          • Simon

            Again, GR had nothing to do with the designs of TSFS (or WoK). It was Nilo Rodis and Bill George, with approvals by Nimoy and Bennett.

          • None of that changes anything. The age is not canon and as TMP made that look in a set timeframe, you have a newer ship unless they give it an onscreen age.

          • Simon

            The Grissom was brand new out of spacedock on her shakedown cruise? And Starfleet went far backwards in her NCC number. Give me a break.

          • Number have always been wonky when they had a constitution class at 1017, that kinda killed the idea they had an order. She looks brand new, and nothing on screen says she is not.

          • Simon

            It was only wonky because they reused an ERTL kit rather than make an actual model for the show and used the numbers 1-7-0-1 in a different order (should have been 1710). VOYAGER looked brand new returning from the Delta Quadrant after being beat up for seven years.

          • Does not matter why they did it. it killed the idea they were ordered. VOY had many, many issues.

          • Simon

            Then there is no Starfleet. There’s only the UESPA. Yay inconsistencies making it canon!

          • They say starfleet all the time.

          • Simon

            Late 22nd Century, early 23rd. Ex-Astris is a FAN SITE. What they speculate certainly isn’t canon. I’ll take the word of the actual production personnel at ILM.

          • Tuskin38

            Source please.

            Also while EAS is a fan site, everything on that page comes from canon sources, and shows canon examples of registry numbers not making sense.

          • Simon

            Various interviews over the years. CINEFEX 18. CINEMAFANTASTIQUE. Bill George. ETC.

          • Tuskin38

            Find me one.

          • Simon

            LOL. I’ve already given you enough. It’s not my job to provide info to some random person on the internet who just wants to argue. Don’t want to believe me? Whatever.

          • Tuskin38

            It is up to you to provide the evidence because you are the one who claimed it.

          • No, I don’t think she was meant to be old. But Likely the TOs design was meant to have looked like the Phase II design and and then it makes sense.

      • Thomas Elkins

        “I don’t think it’s unrealistic for 23rd century, or 22nd century ships still in service, to have different designs from each other.”

        I’m not.

      • But we can tell very well how they should *not* look. Not like ships of the late23rd or the 24th century.

      • Yep and we all known it will be redesigned and updated for 2017 to fit with the ships we see, if we see it.

  • Vortex

    What a jumble of a mess, the look of discovery and all those ships are, they all look kitbashed from different era’s of trek. Discovery is Pick and Mix.

    • Tuskin38

      Not at all.

      I’m not seeing any parts here from any other era. All very TOS/TOS Movie outside of the nacelles.

    • These do not look like kit bashes.

  • James

    I like the designs, they don’t fit in with TOS, but are a clear evolution from Enterprise. Maybe there’s an in universe explanation for the discrepancies, we’ve been promised that there’s an explanation for the Klingons.

    • Mrplatitude

      Right, if look at it as a sequel to Enterprise instead of a prequel to TOS, the ships interior, exterior, and uniforms are a pretty perfect design evolution. That doesn’t include the Klingons of course, but the starfleet design at least.

    • Tuskin38

      There is no in universe explanation for the Fed ships, this is just the way it is now.

      Updated to fit modern television.

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      We’re we promised an explanation for Klingons? I don’t recall that. They said it would transition to looking more like TOS over time

      Ships are fine. TOS is the outlier.

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  • Victorinox

    These people realize that there are test pilots outside the US right? Or that Starfleet is not the 23rd century USAF right? 9 ship classes introduced, 8 Americans and 1 Canadian. Seriously?

    This is extremely disappointing. Especially for a show that’s supposed to highlight diversity.

    Why not add a brit like Eric Brown? French like Jacqueline Auriol or Jean Mermoz? Russian like Vladimir Ilyushin? Or some South Americans like Alberto Santos-Dumont, or Jorge Chavez?

    I can deal with the Klingon’s new look. But this is BS.

    • Tuskin38

      John Eaves probably named them all, he has a fondness for pilots.

      • Victorinox

        I have problem with pilot names. My problem is with this “all-American” approach. There are pilots/test pilots/aviators/heroes pretty much everywhere in the world. A 5 minute google search would have solved this.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          USS Europa
          USS T’Plana-Hath
          USS Clarke
          USS Shenzhou

          Whoops! LOL

          • Victorinox

            Did you even read anything before posting? Those are not CLASS names.

            Whoops! Sad!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Hey Einstein, point is the names of this ships have the diversity. So you cherry pick one aspect of naming only, for the classes for your whining, and conveniently leave out that other ship naming doesn’t have that issue.

            Jesus, lighten up. What a curmudgeon-nitpicker.

          • Victorinox

            If name calling is all you got then that’s pretty lame. Changing the subject because you can’t come up with a better argument is also pretty lame. Try again, maybe you can do better next time.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Not name calling, just labeling behavior as I see it.

            No offense meant, but I find your bringing us this supposed “issue” as being both inconsequential and silly.

          • Tuskin38

            It is an issue.

          • Starshipdown

            Compare this to TOS with an arguably U..S. and English biased naming convention for starships with names like Enterprise, Yorktown, Lexington, Intrepid, Excalibur, Exeter, Eagle.

      • That’s what I suspect too. The individual names come from the script, the class names from Eaves. As much as I appreciate John Eaves’s passion and his desire to honor American heroes, it simply isn’t the right place except for infrequent homages.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Jesus, take a Prozac, dude.

  • Fiery Little One

    I was on MA yesterday and noticed some activity related to this. They seemed to want Eaves to confirm that StarTrek.com wasn’t pulling these out of some hole.

    • Tuskin38

      M-A doesn’t consider startrek.com a valid source.

      • Fiery Little One

        That would explain why they felt the need to have Eaves weight in on this.

      • Jim Bob

        That is hilarious! Although I understand why they don’t.

    • I agree with MA’s policy on the issue. But I think that ultimately all class names will stick with the designs, just like Miranda, which is not strictly canon either.

      • Fiery Little One

        Fair enough, sir.

    • MA?

      • Fiery Little One

        Memory Alpha, sorry.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Thank goodness. Was worried about your family relationships. 😉

          • Fiery Little One

            lol. I suppose I walked into that one.

        • Ah, I have never that abbreviation for it. Thank ya.

          • Fiery Little One

            Yeah, I sometimes forget not all fans might be familiar with the site enough to recognize ‘MA’ means ‘Memory Alpha.’ Call it a hold over from my time posting at Subspace Comms Network, if you like since some of our (now former) members came up with the site in the first place.

          • I use the site, I have simply never seen it called MA. Most here seem to have known what it meant.

          • Fiery Little One

            You’re welcome. 😉

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  • October_1985

    I don’t like that the class names are, not only human, are mostly americans. Is not Starfleet a service of the United Federation of Planets? Why are not class names based on vulcan, andorian, tellarite ir other planes lore? It go against what the UFP and Starfleet means, even if this is preTOS, and acepting that Earth was one of the founders. It makes no sense. It reinforces the feeling that “the Federation is a club for homo sapiens”, specifically american homo sapiens. The explanation of “the audience is primarily american” can’t be more wrong. If they do this to pander to american audiences why bother having russians, scots, french or whatever in Star Trek?

  • Tuskin38

    John Eaves confirmed on his facebook that your speculation is spot on Ken.

  • TheEmissary

    They never really said what the rationale for the name conventions in the show. I would assume the name comes from the lead designer or even the shipyard it was constructed it at. Ships built at Utopia Plantia or in Orbit around earth for instance might have human or non-alien names. Also consider the fact the Vulcans maintain their own fleet through the Vulcan expeditionary group and the science directive.

    The other thing to consider is that there are 150+ member worlds in the federation by the time of the TNG-era. Don’t you think that there might also be different names or aliases for the same ship/class.

  • Alex Webb

    The weird thing for me is I feel like the ship designs feel way more Star Trek-y as sketches than they did in the actual episode as fully realised ships. Not sure if it was the lighting, composition or the CGI itself in general, but as someone who is still sadly in the ‘Discovery doesn’t feel like Star Trek’ camp, I find myself loving those drawings. Strange :/

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  • Robert Lowndes

    I like the ship designs, but when it comes to the canon on registry numbers for this era its clear to me that they didn’t put any thought into it. We know that Constitution class ships mainly have a 1700’s registry with some exceptions. But as an example in Discovery the Europa, Edison, Clark have a registry in the 1600’s but are three different classes.

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