We continue our look at Eaglemoss’ Official Starships XL series today with a look at their latest upsized ship model, Jonathan Archer’s Enterprise NX-01 from Star Trek: Enterprise, released to collectors in late October.

Like the classic Enterprise, the Enterprise-D, and Enterprise-E before it, this enlarged NX-01 is generally a scaled-up version of its smaller predecessor, the 5.5″ version that Eaglemoss debuted all the way back in 2013 in the early days of the Official Starships subscriber program.

This XL Enterprise is nearly double in size and at least double in weight, as the nearly-all-metal model — only the nacelles are plastic — now measures in at about 9″ in length, and almost as wide as the original NX-01’s full length.

LEFT: 2013’s subscriber edition. RIGHT: 2017’s XL edition.

While the ship may be much larger in size, it does seem to be a pretty identical sculpt as the original NX-01 model, with identical join lines at on the saucer and warp nacelles — but when closely compared to the subscriber-sized Enterprise, there are some noticeable improvements in the XL ship.

The gold paint on the bridge dome is given a much brighter and more metallic look on the XL version, compared to a relatively muddy dark yellow tone on the smaller ship — though a spot of the gold paint is missing in the area (compared to the small version) behind the bridge.

In addition, the gunmetal grey paint on the rear saucer ‘fins’ and upper saucer is a slightly lighter shade, and is much cleaner around the bridge module.

The other thing the enlargement does is give the warp nacelles a great chance to shine when on display. The ruby-red bussard collectors and cerulean-blue vents are much more successful on the XL model, with the nacelle vents a much deeper color than the pale blue on the smaller edition.

Underneath the ship, the bright sensor dome in the center of the saucer has been modified from a pure white to a white edged with a gradiated yellow color, to more closely emulate the pale yellow glow on the ‘real’ NX-01.

Note the paint color change and detail improvements on the XL – though two spots of gold behind the bridge are gone.

The most improved part of the NX-01 model, however, comes in the form of the increased detail and cleaner lines on the hull textures — from the window indentations to hull plate scoring — and viewed side-by-side with the 5.5″ version, the XL model wins hands-down.

While the XL Enterprise NX-01 doesn’t have the most obvious improvements — compared to, say, the big color change on the XL Enterprise-D — its small improvements to detail and color go along way to making this feel more like Archer’s starship than the subscriber size.

Even the silvery hull aztecing seems to be a little subtle color than the 5.5″ edition, making it a bit softer to the eye and not quite as in-your-face when near reflective lighting.

While this XL model has its strengths, we’re certainly not saying it’s perfect.

There are still a few carryover issues from the subscriber size that catch our eye, including some that have nothing to do with the metal tooling used to sculpt the ship (which is the most difficult thing to address in manufacturing).

Unlike the other XL ships, there aren’t window-alignment paint issues on the NX-01, but there is one obvious problem with the dorsal saucer’s pair of cargo doors, as the applied markings are slightly too large for their space.

While the doors on the bottom of the ship fit in place more closely, they are still a little too large for the place in which they are applied — just shrink those decals down just a little and the problem is solved, you know?

The deflector dish is unfortunately still fairly underwhelming on the XL release. While the lack of detailed deflector could be excused smaller NX-01 — it’s really tiny on the 5.5″ version — this new edition presented an opportunity to really enhance this part of this ship to look more like its on-screen counterpart.

Unfortunately the thickness of the saucer’s edge is still a limiting factor for the metalwork — but we know the precision Eaglemoss can pull off with their plastic molding. Replacing this area with a plastic component could have really enhanced the front of the ship.

Finally, it’s hard to talk about this model without commenting on the display stand — which may be the weakest part of this whole release. While it’s possible to mount the ship, anything but the most gentle touch may cause the NX-01 to fall from its perch if you’re not careful.

This happened a lot.

This is a heavy ship, and the 1/2″-long grip is just simply not enough to secure this model for display. Honestly, every time the model was moved to take a new photo for this review — no matter how slightly — it slid loosely on the stand, and more often than not fell off ‘face-first.’

Our informal testing puts the ship’s center of balance about 1.5″ in from the rear of the saucer, and the stand needs take that into account. The smaller Enterprise had the same issue, but with the added weight in the XL version, it’s strange this wasn’t addressed more directly when creating the revised display stand.

Lengthening the grip and moving the contact point to the outside of the nacelle struts (like on the NX Refit model) would have certainly helped.

L-R: The XL edition, 2016’s NX Refit, the 2013 subscriber edition.

Overall, despite the minor criticisms noted above, the XL Enterprise NX-01 is a welcome upgrade from the original 2013 release, especially for fans of this 22nd Century starship — and if you’re not willing to spend $120 on the original Art Asylum version of the ship, it’s a nice alternative to get the Warp 5 starship into your personal fleet.

The XL Enterprise NX-01 retails from Eaglemoss at $74.95 in the USA (and £49.99 in the UK shop) when buying individually, but drops to $59.95 if you subscribe to the Star Trek Starships XL program for ongoing delivery.

Next month we’ll take a look at the next XL release, the Intrepid-class USS Voyager, which we previewed back in October when the prototype was on display at New York Comic Con.

From our preliminary look, it seems to be a much-needed upgrade to the 2013 subscriber size — so look back for our review in early 2018!

All photos for this review were taken with the Google Pixel 2 XL.

In Eaglemoss’ US store, TrekCore readers can use promo code TREKCORE at checkout for 10% off any ‘Star Trek’ collectible purchase $50 or greater (Starships, Plaques, Binders, Graphic Novels).

  • DangerousDac

    As much as I agree they should have used plastic for the deflector, a lot of the problem with it stems from the crappy blue paint spill around the edge. If you grab a bronze sharpie and go over the dish itself, it sticks out waaaay more than it does otherwise.

    That being said though, I can’t tell many differences except for the Sensor Dome and the area behind the bridge you highlighted in your pics, in which case the XL actually *removes* detail from the area.

    • A_Warrior_of_Marley

      Agreed, For this scale of model the deflector dish should be made as a separate piece as we’ve seen on many other starship models, whether of plastic or metal.I hope that Eaglemoss listens to customer feedback and they take the time at the very least to prevent that blue paint spill and add some bronze.

  • Thomas Elkins

    The models look great, but I do have one inevitible nitpick. The model actually has too much silver in it because the NX-01 was actually much darker, having an almost copper like color. The Columbia NX-02 on the other hand had a silvery color, which was noticeable when the two ships were side by side.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0cb737d115366d6419dae1be9fb1c1ddff9a059f0fe8f25dcc937d9bd035c023.jpg

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  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    A larger turd is still a turd.

    The NX-01 was a canon-busting, silly and completely unnecessary design that did not respect what Roddenberry, Jeffries and others had already established for Star Trek ship design history. And it’s overly busy and butt-ugly to boot.

    That being said, as a model, this looks like it’s better than some of Eaglemoss’s other recent offerings. If I didn’t despise this starship, I’d buy this.
    .

    • Melllvar

      I love it! One of the few designs that is comparable in its pleasing aesthetic to the ships from the original cast movie era. Calling it a turd really just makes you sound like one, to me at least!

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Nice hat!

        • TG1701

          Dude you are truly annoying on this site. And you insult others because they don’t agree with your limited opinions. Get over it. You’re either 16 or 60.

    • StuUK

      I thought that the NX-01 inserted itself in to the Enterprise lineage just fine; I assume you’ve seen what Doug Drexler had planned for the future of the design (the NX-Refit); it clearly bridges the gap between the NX and Kirk’s Constitution class ship.

      As for what Jeffries had established, the only real violation of the rulebook I can see relates to the density of detail on the NX’s hull, suggesting that a significant amount of maintenance and other activity is supposed to take place out there.
      I recall and interview with Jeffries in which he said he intentionally designed the hull of the Constitution class to be as smooth as possible so that it would imply that all the ships maintenance could be handled safely from within the confines of the ships habitable areas thus sparing the crew from having to expose themselves to the harsh environments of space.

      And canon-busting? – I’d hardly call the NX a canon buster. I think there was enough of a void in the chronology of the Star Trek storybook (over a hundred years!) to sneak the service of another Enterprise there. Sure it stepped on the odd line of established dialogue here and there (ie. Scotty talking to the computer in Relics about the number of ships named Enterprise). And there’s the “missing” photo of the NX in the Enterprise rec room in The Motion Picture and the model gallery of Enterprises on the wall of the Enterprise-D observation lounge… Lapses in memory I guess for all involved, I mean I absolutely suck at history! 😉

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        “and there’s the “missing” photo of the NX in the Enterprise rec room in The Motion Picture and the model gallery of Enterprises on the wall of the Enterprise-D observation lounge”

        Yep, and that’s why I used the term “canon-busting.” The should have went with the XV-330 for the starship in Enterprise.

        “I recall and interview with Jeffries in which he said he intentionally designed the hull of the Constitution class to be as smooth as possible so that it would imply that all the ships maintenance could be handled safely from within the confines of the ships habitable areas thus sparing the crew from having to expose themselves to the harsh environments of space.”

        Which was largely ignored through much of the Berman-era, as the ships got busier and busier over time….to me this is counter-intuitive.

        • StuUK

          To be fair, except for that picture in the Enterprise rec room in The Motion Picture and that exceptional CG model created for the Ships of the Line calendar, the exposure and contribution of the XCV-330 to the Star Trek canon is negligible. It doesn’t sound reasonable to me to have that single image stifle attempts at creativity on a canvas as long lived as this and of course the inconsistency can be justified away with a single line of dialogue.

          Whilst we all enjoy and appreciate those contributors to the Star Trek mythos who are informed and considerate enough to respect the canon, Star Trek from TOS to DSC has presented the viewer with countless contradictions, missed opportunities and convenient oversights with respect to what has been established in prior stories; some of it in service to advancing plot, some of it because no one writer can keep the whole 5 decades of Trek-detail in their head.
          Check out the Nitpickers Guide books by Phil Farrand and keep it on hand as you rewatch TOS, TNG and DS9. – Very amusing.
          Turns out it was difficult for contributors of Trek to respect the canon even when the Trekverse was less than half the age it is now.

          What’s your opinion of the Refit Constitution class? Penned by Andy Probert, visible hull detailing like phaser pods, go faster stripes, panelling, RCS thrusters, hatches and the Trekverse’s introduction to the “aztec” paint job… The panelling on the underside of the saucer will even open up to offer the crew access to the ships internal gubbins… from the outside! Jeffries could not have been impressed. — Yet it’s widely regarded by many (not me) as the best looking ship of the fleet.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle
          • TG1701

            That thing is ugly as sin. I said this before in the past. It looks like something out of 2001 (which is all TMP felt like), not a Star Trek ship.

            And look at Discovery. They tossed the Constitution class ships completely out the air lock because it probably looked too outdated to the producers. So yeah canon is tossed out all the time, especially when it comes to Discovery. How can you complain about ‘canon busting’ with Enterprise and then watch Discovery which can’t even get the uniforms right in this time period?

            And no way would that ship ever be on a show, especially one today.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            With all due respect, the XCV-330 is work of art. It’s sleek, bold and different….just like the original 1701, the D, and the Discovery.

            The NX-01 is incrementalism at its worst. Looks like a Soviet-era design team made a bunch of comprises and that is what they came up with.

            PS: Sharing design philosophy with 2001 and TMP is a good thing.

          • TG1701

            That thing is ugly as hell. Are you serious? There is a reason why its never been seen again since it first popped up on TMP and never will be seen again. Do you think anyone in any films or shows would ever put that thing to screen? Again, Discovery is already the ultimate ‘canon buster’, nothing about that show looks anything like what TOS does. And did you just call the Discovery sleek and bold? That thing is ugly as shit too but at least resembles a Star Trek ship unlike that thing above.

            And no maybe real star ships won’t look like Star Trek ships in the future. Here is another shocker, I’m guessing most things shown in Star Trek’s future will look nothing like our own.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Completely serious. You vitriol and condescension towards this ship is nearly identical to the piss-poor, failure and insult that the NX-01 is to me.

            That ships makes me ill to look at it, and articles like this that pander to misplaced fans who think it’s even close to a legitimate design depress me on one hand; but on the other hand it reinforces what a horrid mistake the inept Berman/Drexler duo made with that design as part of the worst series failure in franchise history.

            The NX-01 the kind of ship you get when you combine a caretaker hack TV producer with a make-up technician who mistakenly thinks he can design starships. Berman was too cheap to bring back Probert, so we got this piece of crap.

            The Klingons at K-7 were wrong — it’s the NX-01 that should have been hauled away as garbage.

          • TG1701

            The NX-01 looks and feel like a Trek ship. THat thing looks like it belongs on Babylon 5.

            And how is it ‘pandering’ to fans? Its a ship that is a big part of the franchise and they spent years knowing. To call them ‘misplaced’ makes you the one that sounds misguided, especially as no one seems to agree with you.

            As far the other one, I don’t care that you like that thing but you must be in a parallel universe if you honestly thought anyone would put it in a film or a show as the main driver. It looks too out of whack from what we seen before and frankly boring. Do you think anyone would’ve made it into an actual ship? Certainly not on any of the prequel shows or films. It was nice the JJ verse gave it a nod at least but thats all that we would ever see of it.

            And I have no idea how you can hate the NX-01 but yet love the Discovery ship. That thing looks awkward beyond belief even if it does look a little better than when it was first introduced.And its super ‘busy’. Look at the saucer, its looks like it could be its own space station.

          • StuUK

            To be honest, I do find the design of USS Discovery a little jarring, daring and bold though it may be. But having been hooked by Trek since the TNG era I find much about that show jarring.

          • TG1701

            Yeah I just think the ship is too weird looking. I get Fuller wanted to go a different way but it feels too different IMO. That said, yeah its growing on me like the NX-01 did so in time I will probably be fine with it. I like how it looks inside though.

            As for the show, its OK, I’m giving it a chance. I spend most of my time on Reddit and you can really see the divide over the show there since so many people post but it is a divisive show. But I guess most shows were in their own way, certainly TNG when it started. So I’m going to stick with it through the rest of the season at least and not bail on it like I did Enterprise which I now regret.

          • StuUK

            Oh, I’m keeping an open mind for sure and that includes the possibility that I may simply no longer fit the profile of what it means to member of the modern Star Trek universe.
            I like the show fine, but I really wanted to love it. I’m just not there… not yet anyway.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I agree with you. But I would also say that I feel a lot better about this show then I did at the half-way point on TNG Season 1. Discovery right now reminds me of how I felt at the half-way point of the first season of DS9 — uneven, but promising, and liking several of the characters, but unsure about others.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I pretty much agree with your comments here, believe it or not.

          • TG1701

            Cool!

          • DC Forever

            The 330 might have not worked well, but the Daedalus class was established in canon, and they could have went with that.

            Completely making up that NX-01 showed a complete lack of imagination. It’s design offends me, from its out of place Voyager era hull detail, to it’s overly detailed nacelles for that period, to it’s dumbass docking clamp that looks like an old iPhone power connection. And most egregious of all, it looks nothing what I would have expected the lead in ship to the original Connie to look like.

            Using a Star Wars analogy, what they did to the NX-01 in Trek is similar to how SW did it with the awful “re-boot”of Luke Skywalker in the new movie….disrespecting franchise history just because they could. And a lot of SW fans don’t like the new movie, just like a lot of Trek fans don’t like Enterprise.

          • RMS_Titanic

            – Isn’t the Daedalus based off of another rejected design for the original Enterprise? As far as canon, there’s only the Olympic-class (named after my older sister!) Pasteur and a couple glimpses of a desktop model that is not specifically tied by dialog or other means to that particular design.

            – I like the NX-01’s nacelles, they have that whole turbo-charger look about them and they should be more busy given the whole idea that it is a far less advanced ship.

            – Oh, I disagree with that. The difference is what was done in Last Jedi with Luke is far, far, far worse than anything that involves the NX-01 in Enterprise.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            WOW, A BRAND NEW POSTER WHO JUST JOINED DISQUS YESTERDAY.

            Very Interesting! How coincidentally fortunate for the others here in this discussion who like the NX-01.

            Welcome!!!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “The difference is what was done in Last Jedi with Luke is far, far, far worse than anything that involves the NX-01 in Enterprise.”

            I don’t know about that. Enterprise was cancelled after 4 seasons. It was a failed series with the ratings dropping every year.

          • RMS_Titanic

            Curiously, if it hadn’t been for splitting of the franchise because of the buyout of Star Trek by CBS, the SyFy channel had made a bid to pick up the series and finish out the remaining three seasons, and would have done so. Sort of like what the Turner channel did with Babylon 5.

          • TG1701

            Enterprise unfortunately was in the middle of the nasty split between the companies and the new powers that be didn’t really get Star Trek. I’m not saying thats why it was cancelled. It was cancelled because of low ratings, but it was clear UPN at the time was going a new direction. Star Trek was no longer the driving force of the network like when Voyager was on.

            Even when that show was cancelled CBS never tried to make another Trek show. They didn’t believe in the brand as much anymore….until it came time to boost their new streaming site and now its loved again. How it works.

          • TG1701

            Man you are arguing about a show that makes up stuff all the time. I’m sorry point me to ‘canon’ where everyone in Starfleet was suddenly wearing Beatles costumes as Starfleet uniforms in Discovery because I guess I somehow missed those on TOS somehow and I seen The Cage.Or that the bridges are now three times the size for some reason. Or the fact the Klingons now look like they mated with a Xenomorph.

            But somehow you can ignore those changes and thats in an era we have already seen. Enterprise takes place almost a century before TOS, they took creative license like they all do.

            The Discovery ship however is NOTHING like most people would think a ship in this era would look like either and its 10 years before TOS.

            Man, get over it.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Except that in the case of Discovery, the creaters did go back and look and look at previous starship concepts from Trek production history and this comparison shows…they did respect what had come before and did get caught up the hubris of having to try to force 24th century Berman-Trek ascetics on what was suppose to be a ship (the NX-01) that led into the original 1701. THIS IS HOW YOU SHOW RESPECT TO STAR TREK HISTORY in a new Star Trek series; not be letting a well-meaning make-up artist “re-invent the wheel” because the boss was hell-bent on never showing respect to TOS.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/383bf15446a74e6f5c11d99f8756d7e958c93b46c07ba8e234056f1069e2e31c.jpg

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/44f97da2d56b3f46b4b5ade1fc61742f5d4b4f778011e059c52403eefbaf37bb.jpg

          • TG1701

            Yeah and that was rejected at the time. For a reason, it was ugly beyond sin. The new ship is still ugly IMO but they at least tried to make it a bit more pretty and streamline it. The top picture the show would’ve been cancelled in the second season (its impossible for a Trek show to be cancelled in its first ;)).

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “…to it’s dumbass docking clamp that looks like an old iPhone power connection”

            LOL — that never occurred to me, but yes, spot on! LOL

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d37c7b6cc42ef8b4bac601ff7c74009663582d65cee77adbc11ff131b0fd4b12.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/979c61f5667c90048a459e1ae2f50b12b44261508c8c6c7160df206318e251e1.jpg

          • DC Forever

            Awesome,

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “As far the other one, I don’t care that you like that thing but you must be in a parallel universe if you honestly thought anyone would put it in a film or a show as the main driver.”

            You were saying???

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/31e6e934d05431019bb379cea75a0aa78077f2fd18d5eb0d9999bdb62b021053.jpg

          • TG1701

            In a STAR TREK show or film. Seriously? Did that ship go on to fight Klingons too?

          • DC Forever

            Well the crappy NX-01 didn’t exactly result in a successful series, so maybe you have a point

          • RMS_Titanic

            As Firefly and Babylon 5 showed us, even a critically acclaimed series with a vocal fanbase and really cool spaceship designs do not always result in a successful outcome.

          • DC Forever

            Really? They did?

            Lol – B5 not only completed its five season story arc, but it spawned one spinoff series and cerebral TV movies.

            Lol2 – Firefly, while canceled like Enterprise, spawned a feature film, Serenity.

            You just proved the opposite of the point you were trying to make here???

          • TG1701

            To this day I never seen Babylon 5. I did watch Firefly for the first time on Netflix last year and I really liked it. And then I caught the film on cable. It was a good show but I think felt a bit too broad even for sci fi fans at the time. Enterprise started off bad but got better later, but that has happened to most of them. But by then people were just tired of Star Trek in general and never came back. And I think being a prequel it didn’t really invest people like the other shows. I include myself in that. I regret not coming back sooner but that’s life.

          • RMS_Titanic

            I think that neither show deserved to be cancelled. But that is sometimes the way that it goes.

          • TG1701

            At least Enterprise got a hundred episodes out of it. Thats a lot and more than TOS. No matter how long Discovery goes it probably will never reach that many.

            As for Firefly yes that was probably cancelled too pre-maturely unlike Enterprise that was given four seasons to improve. Firefly didn’t even get a full season, so no one will ever know if the show would’ve took off or not.

            True story, FOX debated cancelling the X Files midway through its first season as well but didn’t only because it was gaining a cult following. So they had planned to cancel it by the end of the season. The only reason why it wasn’t because the ratings for the finale actually improved by the end of the season and renewed it another season and the rest is TV history. That show is now coming back AGAIN in two weeks for its 11th season and been around nearly 25 years; now with over 200 episodes and 2 movies.

            So yes, you just don’t know early on but there are tons of reasons why even shows with potential go so soon.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “There is a reason why its never been seen again since it first popped up on TMP and never will be seen again.”

            You really need to govern your passions…they will be your undoing.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a0e1f17eaa2820644b723ba4c884b2b3735de69ef0a955ccbf8e2bb5d4bd1b0d.jpg

          • TG1701

            I mean as an actual ship on a show or film and not just a two second model of one. That was kind of obvious.

          • StuUK

            Don’t forget there’s supposed to be a 90 year evolution of technologies between the NX-Class to Constitution class Enterprises. Think about how much design aesthetics and engineering savvy changes over nearly a century.

            The comparison is as fair as if I were to present the 2011 Lamborghini Aventador as the coolest car on the planet (which it is!) and follow that up with… Well in 1921 we had… the… Bentley 3 Litre. *Snore*. Now I’m sure she was desirable in her day; it could commit all three litres of that engine to propel it’s unattractive 1.8 ton bulk to all of a top speed of 80 mph! – *double-snore*.
            I could then blast off with how the Lambo is waaaay more cooler from every angle and just… just better in about every way in which a car can excite a person.
            Okay, I was a little mean to the Bentley there; it just does nothing for this eighties kid. But I appreciate that it arrived, it was showcased, it fired the imaginations of countless kids some of whom became car designers themselves. It was the best car Bentley could make at the time and it must have in some way (indirectly of course) paved the way for my kind of car to finally arrive on the scene.

            Consider If you had never seen a car from before 2011 and I then handed you some pics of the Aventador; then I asked you to draw me how you thought a cool car looked 90 years prior, I would be fascinated to see what you would come up with. – I bet it would be way cooler than the Bentley 3 Litre that’s for sure.

            Actually, draw me a picture of how you think the Enterprise NX-01 should have looked. Your design criteria must remain confined to the following: It must be recognisably Star Trek, It’s not allowed to be a warp-ring ship, I want to see a saucer and two warp nacelles and I want it to look 90 years older than Kirk’s ship. – Please, I’m genuinely interested.

          • DC Forever

            Hey StuUK,

            Fact is though, prior to ep 1 of Enterprise
            you can’t provide either:

            1. One single canon reference to the NX-01 in previous Star Trek series or movies

            2. Original production sketches and official Star Trek books from the Gene Roddenberry-era that
            most definitely outlined multiple starship concepts the present anything looking remotely like NX-01.

            By contrast, the XCV-330 meets both of these “canon/Roddenberry starship design legacy” litmus tests”. They NX-01 was completely made up with little disregard to canon or established designs created under the direction of Star Trek’s creator.

          • TG1701

            Neither was the Kelvin or the Franklin. I don’t recall any of ‘Gene Roddenberry era concepts’ that had the engineering room looking like a beer factory. I don’t think I have ever seen those costumes on Discovery from any concept art before, so I guess you can argue those were completely made up with little disregard to canon or established designs created under the direction of Star Trek’s creator. Right?

            Shocking, people change stuff later on. I think Discovery kind of makes this point pretty clear by now. This is why prequels sucks ass dude.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle
          • TG1701

            OK, I stand corrected on the Kelvin. Still waiting to hear about everything else.

          • RMS_Titanic

            That’s the Kelvin? Isn’t the USS Kelvin a single warp nacelle on top and an engineering hull slung underside? The Hermes and Saladin classes are single nacelle only.

          • DC Forever

            You appear to be confused on two accounts. First, the U.S.S. Kelvin had the engineering “tube-hull” on top, and the warp nacelle on the bottom. Secondly, in this movie scene, from that top down view their is not enough detail to say if that is a Kelvin or Hermès of Saladin class – you can make a canon case for all three based on this.

          • TG1701

            I don’t know I guess its close enough if you squint at it. I’m shocked anyone would even catch it lol. So he gets credit on that.. I just didn’t want to argue over it.

          • RMS_Titanic

            I guess I can catch the detail enough to notice that it’s not the Kelvin, but one of the old expanded universe materials that got sneaked into movies. Plus if you go and watch it in high definition, it becomes really obvious what it is.

          • TG1701

            You’re probably right. And for the record I don’t think anyone on the JJ movies cared if the Kelvin was referenced in a prior movie. I still don’t even get this bizarre argument but here we are.

          • StuUK

            Hey DC Forever.

            1. You are right, I can’t provide one single reference of the NX-01 in previous Star Trek series or movies. But so what? – There are quite literally decades of gaps in Star Trek’s history book. Are you actually suggesting that no episode or movie has any business basing a story in Star Trek’s own past?

            2. Right again! I’m not likely to find any production sketches or official Star Trek books from the Gene Roddenberry era that imply the service of the NX in his universe… I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest the reason being that Roddenberry had died years before the first pictures of the NX were rendered? Actually I have seen a bazillion sketches, references and imagery relating to Star Trek ships over the years. I certainly have never seen the Roddenberry era illustration that set in stone the definitive history of Starfleet ships. Perhaps you could point me to the relevant source. Know that if it’s not definitive I will be disappointed. And as with your first point my question is similar: Are you actually suggesting that no contributor of Star Trek has any business inventing a Star Trek craft in the franchise’s own past that hadn’t already been dreamt up by Jeffries and approved by Roddenberry? None whatsoever??

            As to the completely made up NX-01 that has little regard for Trek canon or Trek design. Doug Drexler is not the guy you are describing. Check out his backstory, check out his interviews and check out his commentary on why the NX-01 is designed the way it is. This guy is smitten with the Star Trek universe.

          • DC Forever

            “You are right, I can’t provide one single reference of the NX-01 in previous Star Trek series or movies.”

            Yep, that’s the key point of your post here for me. Thanks

          • RMS_Titanic

            It certainly is… different. But in hindsight with what we have seen in Star Trek: Enterprise, it now unfortunately comes across as a dead end pursued by a group of warp engine designers on Earth who were trying to imitate the Vulcan ringship designs rather than do as Zefram Cochrane’s team did in pursuing an original design.

            As for which model of it I’d rather have, I’d love QMX’s over Eaglemoss’ any day of the week.

            http://www.startrek.com/article/first-look-u-s-s-enterprise-xcv-330-from-qmx

          • TG1701

            Wow this actually makes sense. A tried but failed experiment basically to imitate what the Vulcans did with their ships and the NX-01 is the successful version several designs later. I could actually see that explanation as part of the Enterprise show if they ever wanted to mention that ship and what happened to it. Yeah, canon solved to a 40 year old movie.

            Nice one man!

          • RMS_Titanic

            Oh, thank you, but I can’t take the credit as that theory has been floated around in various forms for many years now. One other, by Graham Kennedy, is that it is a surplus Vulcan ship that was “de-tuned” as an export model so it could be given or sold to Earth.

            I don’t care as much for that explanation as it doesn’t explain why the ship has what appears to be an experimental designation.

          • TG1701

            OK, but its a great theory and one that works. We see just how much influence the Vulcans had when humans were were making their way into deep space and I can totally see them using Vulcan designs and specs. I’m sure Archer hated it though. 😉

            I agree I don’t like the second theory as much but you can still go with it. But I like the idea that they tried to build their own ships with Vulcan influence. That thing looks a bit less ugly now.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            If I were Rick Berman and it was 2001, I’d hire that guy on the spot to design my starship, previous Trek history and production designs be damned. Let’s just make shit up because we can!

            😉

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            My understanding is that QMX made only 35 of those 4 years back, so you can’t get that anymore. If you have a source where I can purchase it today, please let me know, as I’d be greatly interested. Thanks

          • RMS_Titanic

            Quietly removes the one on display in her forward grand staircase and hides it… >.>;

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            …then decides that Oracle’s $500 offer is too much to pass up, and ships it to him.

            ;-0

          • RMS_Titanic

            No. Mine. 😛

          • RMS_Titanic

            I disagree on the USS Discovery, which is clearly stated to be much younger than the Constitution Enterprise by at least 11 years, so I would expect it to look more towards the Motion Picture refit end of things rather than the Original Series.

            Basically the cylindrical nacelles are old technology while the newer expression is the evolution towards the flat or rectangular housings, and I can see that evolution in Discovery’s with the old hemispherical bussard ramscoops and housings that are transitional between cylinders and rectangles in shape.

          • TG1701

            Ok man, I’m not going to argue about it. Either way, its just so ugly to me I wish they came up with a different design and maybe something closer to TOS, just updated.

          • StuUK

            It’s a table model! – So according to canon, the XCV-330 has served as a photo in a gallery and a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it table model! *chuckle*. – It’s hardly the most prolific service record. Well not yet anyway.

            You could argue just as much for what we know of the XCV-330 being a significant inconsistency in the Trekverse that should be as much forgotten as Vulcan’s moon. The NX-01 simply has a billion-billion percent more backstory to validate it’s contribution to canon.

            What I was saying earlier regarding canon inconsistency being explained away through the convoluted use of dialogue remains true. There is plenty of room in the canon for the NX-01 and the XCV-330 to share some Trek timeline.

            The XCV-330 Enterprise can clearly be presented as a test ship for a specific type of engine design, analogous to the OV-101 shuttle Enterprise being used as a proof of concept atmospheric-only test vehicle.
            The NX-class represents Starfleet’s first attempt at cracking the warp five “barrier”. The Matt Jeffries violations are explainable because in this prequel show, nothing like the Constitution class ship even exists so the NX doesn’t have to be strangled by any of that.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “The NX-01 simply has a billion-billion percent more backstory to validate its contribution to canon.”

            Really??? OK, so tell me the canon backstory to the NX-01 that I should have been aware about prior to the premier of Enterprise?

          • StuUK

            You want backstory on the NX prior to the premier of Enterprise!

            You know full well that framing the question this way locks me in to an impossible position since the NX-class never even saw it’s first draft before the year 2000 let alone get an established backstory from episodes prior to then.

            But as I have said more than once, in 4 decades worth of storytelling there exists a century wide gap in the Star Trek timeline.
            It’s the episodes of Star Trek Enterprise itself that will offer you both story and backstory on the NX-class; certainly a lot more story than you will derive from a camera pass of a model on a table or a picture in a gallery!

            And I’m sorry to break it to you but the moment episode 1 of Star Trek Enterprise was aired it staked a rightful claim to the events of 2151 onwards; let fan conjecture and attempts at gap filling be damned!

          • https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fb8532a76725110c75cc310431431c70782c5867b2c6398340f03ffb087f1208.jpg That scene places it chronologically before the NX-01 – also backed by its imagery in “Star Trek: Enterprise” — earlier than Cochrane’s Phoenix — so both are now in the canon. Solves the argument 🙂

          • RMS_Titanic

            The interesting thing about that scene is that the spacecraft, rockets, and starships we know of, all do fall in line chronologically, even though there are some gaps in the history of spaceflight and thus we can assume it is a personal set up of favorite vehicles that Admiral Marcus or whoever set that display up for the Admiral. That deleted scene of the Original Series Constitution hanging from the ceiling of his office.. I wish that scene had been left in as it shows that if it hadn’t been for the Narada time travel incursion, things would have been as we knew it. It gives us that very important connection.

          • TG1701

            Exactly. And I find it funny how this guy uses this photo to ‘prove’ the XCV ship is part of canon but then seems to completely forget in the EXACT same shot they show the NX-01 but yet has the nerve to cal it a ‘canon buster’. Um, if you are going to use one clip to prove your point the XCV ship is now officially canon you can’t ignore the other part of your argument that disproves your other point lol. Its unbelievable but welcome to bias opinions.

          • DC Forever

            Looks to me like StuUK was insisting that he was presenting the only two references to the 330 in Trek history and that Oracle was simply showing two more to counter that?

            I’ll add a 5th. The 330 was also in the official Star Trek Spacelight Chronolgy book that was published under Rodenberry’s guidance in 1979 to accompany TMP.

            You cannot counter that there is no single canon reference nor Rodenberry-era drawings or notes on the NX-01 ever in Trek canon or production info before Ent Ep 1,

          • RMS_Titanic

            – The irony for both of you is that one comes from the J.J Abrams Kelvin Timeline. But another delicious irony is that several references come from Star Trek: Enterprise itself:

            http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(XCV_330)

            – That book was clearly rendered non-canon pretty quickly. Roddenberry I doubt ever sat down with Rick Sternbach for any in-depth conversations on starship lineage and Roddenberry’s later stance on any Star Trek expanded materials made it clear by 1987 with TNG’s premier that it’d never be canon.

            – Does that matter, really? Mostly the XCV was from a rejected starship design as was the Daedalus. Doesn’t exactly endear them to people and TG1701 is dead spot on about the fact that neither of those designs could have sustained a long-term TV or movie presence.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “and TG1701 is dead spot on about the fact that neither of those designs could have sustained a long-term TV or movie presence.”

            That’s a hilarious statement, given that one thing we do know for sure is that the NX-01 design could not sustain a long term TV presence — the series was a failure, cancelled after 4 seasons and the ratings got lower every year.

            We can conjecture all we want about other designs, BUT WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE NX-01 COULD NOT SUSTAIN A LONG-TERM TV PRESENCE. FACT !!!!!

            Thank your for bringing this up! Much appreciated!

          • You are getting way, way too worked up over this and are bullying people out of the conversation. Please take a step back on this one.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well, I will agree that I am getting too wrapped up in this.

            Anyway, I am very satisfied now that I have made all the points I wanted to make here and am ready to excuse myself from this thread.

            Merry Christmas to all and Happy New Year as well. And Trekcore, thanks for all you do here on this site — much appreciated.

          • StuUK

            My apologies if I was putting myself across as some kind of all knowing authority on Star Trek in general and the ring ship in particular; that was not my intention.

            The two instances of the XCV-330 that I mentioned were off the cuff. I would however be hard pressed to come up with more examples of my encounters with this thing be it through screen or the page, despite which I never actually said it had zero canon references.

            Regardless, if you can’t come up with something a little more substantial with respect to the backstory of the XCV-330, I’m not likely to shift my opinion that the XCV-330’s contribution to 5 decades worth of Trek mythos is negligible; the NX on the other hand was handed its own series.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Again, for those of us who bother to pay attention to Star Trek production history and notes and information developed during the Rodenberry years…this is from the 1979 Star Trek Spaceflight Chronology, the official Pocketbooks starship history guide that was released at the time of TMP, and blessed by Roddenberry. These are the specs of the Declaration Class, of which the XCV-330 was the prototype.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2badf181d71e5d83d9ae10f1bc528a7c9f79db3949f3dc64061164c5771ea802.png

          • StuUK

            I agree, that is interesting and certainly news to this fan.

            I love all the gap filling that publications such as this attempt to provide; much of my Trek library is reference material along the same lines.
            Despite that however I firmly believe that all this additional data starts with the episodes. The episodes should and almost certainly do inform the content of publications such as this.
            As for the other way round? – The content of publications dictating how future episodes should evolve; not so much. It’s not very practical or even reasonable to expect everyone associated with the building of this franchise to pour over even the most obscure detail from over 3 decades of publications for fear of squatting over what someone had invented.

            If Roddenberry blessed the design of the XCV-330 as having a very valid place in his universe? Cool, stick a picture in the rec room in The Motion Picture. But unless he’s going to insist that the dialogue or some graphic in the movie make mention of the years that the Declaration class was in service for then that is detail is flexible in my opinion. As flexible as the fuel ratio of matter/anti-matter being established as 1:1 (TNG episode: “Coming of Age”) and not 10:1 as it suggested here.

          • TG1701

            Yes but the issue is you can no longer say the NX-01 has no representation because STID has now included it. This is HOW canon works. Of course you have a show in canon with 100 episodes but since you guys want to seriously nerd it up, then the JJ films have made it every part of canon you are now moaning about unless you want to just pretend those films don’t really count as canon (and believe me many would love that idea).

            I mean if you are going to suddenly believe Spock has a sister in Starfleet who both served literally at the same time although he never mentioned her in 50 years and take that as face value then you now have to take THIS at face value. Right?

            Whats annoying is you’re trying to argue it both ways, somehow suggesting canon is valid for one but not the other. True, maybe when The Motionless Picture was released there was no NX-01. There also were no Kelvin or Franklin or Discovery either. But thanks to all the prequels that predate TMP, well guess what man, now there is.

            EITHER you accept that or you don’t. And if you don’t, then that basically excludes most things we have seen in Trek in the last 15 years from Enterprise through Discovery. And trust me, there are tons of people out there who wish they can wipe all that away instead the nit picking you are doing here.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “Yes but the issue is you can no longer say the NX-01 has no representation because STID has now included it. This is HOW canon works”

            What he said was that before Enterprise premiered, there was never any canon reference to the NX-01 in all previous Star Trek. Again, for whatever reason, you feel the need to “spin-doctor” that comment here by incorrectly noting that the NX-01 was included in a Star Trek production well after the NX-01.

            Like, duh! Thanks the news flash, Woodward and Bernstein! 😉

          • TG1701

            And? So WHAT man. I have said this over and over and over again neither were the uniforms on Discovery was referenced and that takes place IN the same timeline as The Cage. How come you are not moaning about that for some reason? In fact you probably spend just as much time defending that decision because my guess is you like that show. Right?

            Yes they change things AS Discovery proves. This is what is done, especially in prequels. And things get retcon which is why now Enterprise has become fully in canon thanks to the JJ verse and Discovery.

            But when TMP aired no one ever thought they would ever make a prequel to TOS. And when someone did 20 years later it was no way anyone would use that ugly boring ship to represent the show. Especially one majority of people ever saw or noticed. This is just common sense.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Nice spin-doctoring of my post. As DC noted, I was responding to StuUK who was incorrectly claiming there were only two previous references to the XCV-330. You twisted this around for another purpose.

          • TG1701

            There is nothing to spin. You been moaning how the NX-01 is not in canon and then you show a picture of it being in canon lol. Thats how it works.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yes! I agree that once after they did the “canon-busting” on Enterprise on making up the NX-01, other Star Trek productions from them on included it in canon.

          • DC Forever

            Best long excuse I have ever head on the merits of being lazy regarding paying attention to details and history. Edie Hascal would be impressed!

          • StuUK

            Oh dude… Isn’t that the one of the points I’ve been making? – Star Trek Enterprise sits at the beginning of a century strong void in the Star Trek history book. How can you pay attention to the details of a history that has next to no detail in it? Duh!!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You make no sense. If there is only a little history history to remember in big gaps as you say, then there should be NO EXCUSE not to be able to pay attention to what little history there is to remember. Just be a alert and knowledgeable on Star Trek — it’s not so hard at all.

            You have just unintentionally made a case for the opposite of what you were trying to convey here.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “except for that picture in the Enterprise rec room in The Motion Picture”

            OK, but that is a canon reference, and it is in a film that Rodenberry led, which is a bonus in terms of credible canon. Now I ask you to comment on the NX-01 — until Enterprise premiered, can you point out even one single instance where a picture like that which even mildly established canon for the NX-01 appeared in any of the hundreds of episodes or 8 movies up to that point in Star Trek? I am asking for you to provide just one picture or similar reference establishing the NX-01. Just one?

          • StuUK

            Can you really not see how your question comes across as just a little bit futile?

            You know full well that the NX-Class was designed specifically as the hero ship in Star Trek Enterprise in 2000/01. There won’t be any references to that ship prior to the production start date of episode 1 of that series. But I say again: So what?

            Why do you insist on requiring this long pre-requisite introduction through dialogue and imagery in strings of episodes, movies and peripheral publications to make references to the NX-Class before you can accept it getting showcased in its own series? – And what real difference would it have made in the grand scheme if such foresight existed back then? – You’d have still hated the ship; you’d have still bleated on about how crap the show was!

            Why is it not enough for the Enterprise show itself to serve the purpose of informing you of what was going on in the Star Trek universe between the years 2151 and 2154? In service to chronological consistency and canon? – Well that’s great but I say again, pick up the Nitpickers Guide books for TOS, TNG and DS9 by Phil Farrand and delight in how most of those shows and movies (yes ones from the Roddenberry era as well!), that despite possessing a largely cohesive and reasonably well knitted chronology overall were also capable of fragmenting, contradicting and blatantly ignoring that which had been established in prior episodes to service the plot of a current one.
            And yet you remain passionately hard for the championing of a 2 second shot of a picture, a 2 second camera pass of a table model and some concept sketches that Roddenberry might have said, “Oh yes, that one has a place in my universe”.

        • DC Forever

          Yep, like it or not, that pretty much established the 330 as the predecesor Enterprise decades before Rick B decided to make up the NX-01.

      • RMS_Titanic

        Scotty never said anything, except that he wanted to see *his* Enterprise. The computer informed him there were five Federation starships named “Enterprise”, which means that would exclude even ships like the ringed XCV-330 and the NX-01 Enterprises, among a whole host of others.

        • StuUK

          I’d be surprised if Ron Moore put that line in print with nothing more than the famous five ships in his head but I agree, if we take that simple line for what it is, it’s possible for there to be ten, twenty, thirty starship Enterprises prior to Kirk’s Constitution class that we the viewer have never heard of since technically the NX-01 was no more a Federation ship than the aircraft carrier; it’s exclusively Starfleet.

          • DC Forever

            Why stop there. Perhaps there were 241.5 Enterprises before the 1701. Perhaps the Enterprise is a starship product like the iPhone,

          • RMS_Titanic

            – Given that is the case in real life with the actual number of sea-going ships, aircraft, spacecraft, and so on named “Enterprise”, it is very possible that by that time there could be a whole bunch more. It’s a valid possibility. And right now the canon shows us at least two pre-Federation starships by that name: The XCV-330 and the NX-01.

            – That is an ironic thing to say to him.

          • StuUK

            Just a little tongue-in-cheek remark mate; I wasn’t expecting anyone out there in webland to take my admittedly flippant suggestion of thirty starship Enterprises quite so literally but then… here your are!

          • TG1701

            Don’t worry about that guy, he sounds bitter because they didn’t design the nacelles exactly like he dreamed up. Trek nerds man.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            And of course you are posting 20+ times on this board because you are one of the cool and more reasoned fans, who is not a Trek nerd at all.

            😉

          • TG1701

            I’m not the one moaning about a 2 second clip of an ugly ship in a 40 year old movie I doubt most people under 40 has ever watched not being used on a TV show 20 years later. Seriously, move on.

          • DC Forever

            Amazing that you don’t see the irony here,

          • TG1701

            Amazing you are this upset about nacelles.

          • DC Forever

            Says my groupie, who reads and responds to all of my nacelle comments, 24/7.

          • TG1701

            I’m a groupie responding to the thread…or that you don’t like my responses?

            Well, sorry, this is how message boards work.

          • DC Forever

            No worries, I just think it’s funny you don’t see the irony here.

          • TG1701

            I’m sure you do. Glad we’re cool now.

          • DC Forever

            Yea, have a good holiday week!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well RMS Titanic below responded further by saying that hundreds are in fact possible?

            Maybe be more clear in the future when you are being flippant, as at least two posters here took you seriously, and it wasn’t clear to me either…so that’s three of us that were confused by what I guess was maybe a poor attempt at humor given the responses?

          • RMS_Titanic

            Please, I merely agree with the premise that perhaps there could be many more pre-Federation starships and spacecraft bearing the name, not hundreds.

          • DC Forever

            Exactly. Basically everyone took his post at face value.

          • StuUK

            Everyone DC? Everyone? Or just you and Oracle?

            Don’t you think you come across as a bit snappy over the simplest of discussion detail? – Like you’re chewing on a drawing pin as you type or something!

            Don’t chew pins mate…

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Titanic as well.

            “MS_Titanic StuUK • a day ago
            Well, probably. But the fact that he specified clearly Federation starships means he at least had some idea that there could have been more spacecraft or starships than we’ve seen. Clever in hindsight, really, since it didn’t bind them to anything else and didn’t commit any future writers to anything.”

            So the three people here who responded to your post all took it as being on the level. Just use an emoticon next time.

          • RMS_Titanic

            Please don’t read my response that way. I knew there was some hyperbole on StuUK’s part and I assumed others did as well. So my only intent was to bring up the valid point that Ron Moore’s writing for “Relics” could certainly have been written with him knowing full well to avoid being tied into such a trap later on.

          • DC Forever

            So when you say “probably” to somebody’s post, people are supposed to decode a hidden meaning of, “hey I know you meant that as funny”

            Seriously??? “Probably” to most of us means that it’s “probable” that what someone is accurate. Come on!

            People reading posts here ate not mind readers. Say what you mean; mean what you say — for both you and StuUK. No offense meant.

          • RMS_Titanic

            You’re overreacting to this far too much and thus taking any fun out of the discussion. If you want clarification, all you have to do is stop things, take a deep breath or two, and ask.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I’m not getting back into this discussion again, but Stu’s smart-ass replies on this topic were the issue that started this silly back and forth…and for sure, there is nothing in your post that suggests you thought his post was humorous as you are now claiming.

            Can we all just move on now, please. This is so meaningless.

          • RMS_Titanic

            I’m bowing out. Some people simply must win at all costs by nitpicking others.

          • TG1701

            Yeah and sadly some people do it that really well here to the point of insanity. Star Trek doesn’t always get it right by my god to be upset about it?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well said. I am bowing out too for the same reason. See you in the new year!

          • DC Forever

            I appreciate you saying that. I’ve been guilty here of that myself as well, so no big deal. Yep, time for me to bow out as well.

          • StuUK

            Oh I’m the smart ass?

            Scroll up to the top of this back and forth… The beginning of all this!

            “A larger turd is still a turd.

            The NX-01 was a canon-busting, silly and completely unnecessary design that did not respect what Roddenberry, Jeffries and others had already established for Star Trek ship design history. And it’s overly busy and butt-ugly to boot.”

            Did you honestly expect a post like that to pass by without drawing out the opinions of others? – On a Trek forum??

            Maybe we all have something to learn here. Time will tell.

            Signing off!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I was of course being a little flippant with my hyperbole. Of all people here, you should have recognized that.

          • StuUK

            So the suggestion of 30 starship Enterprises in service prior to the formation of the Federation really sounded that plausible a proposal to you all? Really?? – That’s one starship Enterprise churned out every three years!
            If that’s what you took away from that post then you missed the point entirely (and one of my shorter posts too!).

            SPELLING IT OUT: In the TNG episode “Relics” the computer tells Scotty that there have been five FEDERATION starships named Enterprise.
            We know that the Federation was established in 2161 and we know that humanity became a warp capable species since First Contact in 2063; that’s almost a century of pre-Federation warp capable vessels leaving the shipyards of Earth. One just might have been the Enterprise XCV-330. One WAS the Enterprise NX-01 in 2151.

            POINT: 98 years of Trek history is a lot of years; more than enough for two ships called Enterprise to exist and have a story or two to tell; neither of them Federation starships therefore neither needed their existence validated by the computer’s dialogue in the episode “Relics”.

            DC Forever, Oracle: That’s as close to spoon feeding as I can make it. Best of luck.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Not taking the bait. Merry Christmas!

          • TG1701

            Another great point. The NX-01 was not a Federation starship. Nor the other one. This is not a ‘canon buster’ in any way shape or form since every show, including Enterprise, has made it clear that other ship was an older model.

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          • DC Forever

            Nice try, as several people took your post seriously.

          • RMS_Titanic

            Well, probably. But the fact that he specified clearly Federation starships means he at least had some idea that there could have been more spacecraft or starships than we’ve seen. Cleaver in hindsight, really, since it didn’t bind them to anything else and didn’t commit any future writers to anything.

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  • Robert Anthony

    Oh how I miss this show.

    • Brian_Brodrick

      I know. The lost potential for what was planned for season five still has me fuming to this day.

      • Robert Anthony

        Agreed. A newly imagined Cloud City would have been fun to see, and possibly a Borg origin story that began on Earth!? Those are the two biggies I remember reading about. It had become such an amazing series.

        • A_Warrior_of_Marley

          The Kzinti starship design, the establishment of Starbase One, T’Pol being half-Romulan, the first rumblings of the Earth-Romulan war….

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        • TG1701

          I’ve never seen that episode of Cloud City but I looked up the images online. Yeah, cool! It would’ve been nice if we saw an updated version of it on Enterprise.

          I don’t think they were thinking of a Borg origin story on Earth since the Borg came along thousands of years earlier. I think it was going to deal with how the queen Borg came into existence.

          • Robert Anthony

            Alice Krige was supposed to play her, right? Chalk my assumptions up to the ambiguity of what exactly the Borg queen is and how many exist I suppose. But she mentioned her own species designation in a Voyager episode, (wasn’t human) and we’ve heard a couple of times that the collective is thousands of years old. I shouldn’t assume that the queen is the origin of the collective, though it would make some sense that it starts with one rather than an army determining the necessity of a master and designating a queen(s). Anything that might have shed some light on the uniformity/chaos of the Borg is fun in my book. And Manny Coto and the Reeves Stevensons were crafting really wonderful, franchise-revering stories in that final season. Season five would have been a ride.

          • TG1701

            Yeah season 5 would’ve been cool as hell. To see how so much of the history of Starfleet and fhe Federation forming. It sucks it took them so long to start doing those stories. But once they started, they had a lot of great stuff.

            As for the Borg, yeah I knew the queen came from a different species. I don’t know how they were going to resolve that but yeah Alice Krige was suppose to play her again, but as a scientist IIRC. Of course it doesn’t mean she had to be human, just lived on Earth at the time I guess.Or maybe not on Earth at all. I might have gotten the info mixed up as well. And it would have to been done in secret either way to explain it. I too would’ve liked if they explained the Borg history a bit more since we still know very little about them.

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          • Robert Anthony

            The concept of an alien scientist stationed on earth, inadvertently or purposefully creating the first assimilation technology could have some dire and fantastic implications for human connection to the Borg. Resistance is futile for many species, but humans keep proving effectively resistant. Why might that be? 😊

          • TG1701

            Humans are just bad asses! 😉

            Even though we never got another Borg story on Enterprise I would still like to see it in the Kelvin movies since Kirk is the only Captain who has never faced them. Well I guess the Discovery now as well but that would make it harder to explain it canon. But if they found a way there, I would love that too.

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            Stratos was the name of the floating city, but yeah.

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      • TG1701

        Yeah season five sounded sick! The show ended too early. If it got a full 7 seasons like the other it might have been my favorite show out of all them and I hate prequels.

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  • TG1701

    It took me a while to really like the design of the ship but I really like it now. I’m still having LOTS of problems with Discovery though. Thats just a butt ugly design that feels totally out of place in the time line. But maybe in time I can like that one too but its just so ugly compared to the others.

  • Jared Scheuerlein

    The Art Asylum version is $120?! I bought one of those for like $20 at Media Play back in the day…

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  • RMS_Titanic

    For all the detail this version of the ship adds, they still didn’t add really obvious things like the ventral sensor dome point or the black running light stripes (meant to be a homage to the Second Pilot version of the TOS Enterprise).

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  • I don’t suppose that they’re planning an XL DS9?