The surprising news that writer-director Quentin Tarantino was working to pitch a Star Trek sequel film story broke on Monday evening, and today there’s more detail known about the status of this still-stunning development out of Hollywood.

Following up on his scoop from earlier this week, Deadline‘s Mike Fleming, Jr. reports today that not only is the Trek 4 development kicking along quickly, but that Tarantino has already “met for hours in a writers room” with writers Drew Pearce (Iron Man 3Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation), Lindsey Beer, and apparent “frontrunner” Mark L. Smith (The Revenant).

In addition, the biggest jaw-dropper of this story is that Tarantino has “required” that his Trek take be an R-rated endeavor, and both producer J.J. Abrams and studio Paramount Pictures have signed on with that rating.

From the Deadline report:

The film will most certainly go where no Star Trek has gone before: Tarantino has required it to be R rated, and Paramount and Abrams agreed to that condition.

Most mega budget tent poles restrict the film to a PG-13 rating in an effort to maximize the audience… the exception to this rule was Fox’s Deadpool, but that film started out with modest ambitions before it caught on and became the biggest R rated film ever.

That rating was crucially important to Tarantino, who hopes to direct this Star Trek and who has helmed R rated films his entire career.

Tarantino certainly is no stranger to violence and other R-rated elements from his past films like Resevoir DogsPulp FictionInglorious BasterdsThe Hateful Eight, and Kill Bill — but what of that adults-only tone would he bring to a Star Trek film?

We’ll have to wait and see if his story moves past the scripting stage to find out.

  • scotchyscotchscotch

    I know there’s a lot of hate over this out there, but my biggest personal qualification for Trek in any form is… do the people/person in charge have a love for Trek? Tarantino certainly does, so all other things aside, I’m ok with this, for now 🙂

    • Starshipdown

      I’m not opposed to Tarantino or any other fan producing, directing, or writing, however, we have to bear in mind this does not always guarantee good results for any but a relative diehard minority of fans.

      I’m also not against the R-rating, so long as it serves a good story purpose and is not gratuitous for the sake of merely making gritty and edgy a formerly mostly family-friendly franchise.

      • scotchyscotchscotch

        Yeah, I’m with you. There’s only a little news so far so I’m proportionately only reacting a little

      • Quintillion Tesla

        ” I’m also not against the R-rating, so long as it serves a good story purpose and is not gratuitous” _ think the world of TREK is so vast and nuanced there can be room enough for R-rated stories, just as there can be for action, comedy, contemplative sci-fi, etc.

        One of the reasons I am enthused by Tarantino’s involvement ( at this stage ), is that it maight lead further ( if successful ) FUTURE Trek movies to be shepherded by really big name visionary directors, each putting their own unique spin on the STAR TREK universe.

        • kadajawi

          But you don’t need big names for good quality. Marvel allows their directors, even though most of them only did small indie productions before that, to have their unique voice. They pick the voice that is right for the character and story.

          I have the feeling his movie will feel a lot like TOS Trek… not the part of the Trek universe that I enjoy the most, but hey. If he’s doing it? Imagine the Gorn fight, just a bit more gorny (sorry, couldn’t resist). Red shirts may get hurt and there’s a bit of blood involved. I doubt the language will be too bad… mild curses etc. perhaps, but nothing bad.

        • Starshipdown

          Agreed. Again, no problem with it and I think ST:DSC has shown that such mature stories overall work well and help flesh out the universe. I don’t, for example, think that the sub-plot of Ash Tyler being raped repeatedly by L’Rell would ever have worked in the lighter, more family-friendly TNG and certainly during TOS’ original run in the 1960s, never would even have been brought up.

          • TG1701

            Yeah true. Mostly because TV has just matured a lot since those times with basic cable and now of course streaming shows. TV has been getting away with more stuff for the last 20 years. But because some of the most popular shows like Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones are more adult I can’t blame Trek for wanting to do the same. I been watching Mr. Robot this season and someone must have decided dropping F bombs would get more viewers because those are no longer bleeped out. They were the first two seasons but not anymore. Thats the difference between network TV and the rest, those other channels and sites can really push it now that just didn’t exist in the 60s and 80s.

          • WilsonWilson

            I heard that its not him being raped but them making love, because he’s actually her Klingon lover made to look human with a humans memories over paid.

          • Starshipdown

            The context, however, is what is important and right now, regardless of Ash Tyler being Voq is irrelevant, it is what he thinks is going on right now as he is: he thinks he is a human who was raped by L’Rell in exchange for keeping him alive during seven months of being a P.O.W..

            The fact that Burnham or any of the other characters treat him (Ash) rightly as a victim of rape and aren’t accusing him of somehow the one at fault is an amazingly mature and much-needed take on a real-life problem for men who’ve been the victims of sexual assault.

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      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        “True Grit”

        “The Thing”

        “The Fly”

        nuff said

    • MeisterOlsen

      Who would hate on this? Tarantino, Star Trek, R-rated? This could be straight from my dreams.

    • ADeweyan

      I don’t know. Nicholas Meyer didn’t have a lot of knowledge of, let alone love of, Trek when he helmed two of the best movies. Meanwhile, Fan service pretty much destroyed ST Into Darkness, and Nemesis was the product of unabashed ST fans.

      I just want to see a director who understands human stories in adventure settings and isn’t afraid to tell a more adult story in a genre that was traditionally targeted to family audiences.

    • madmadia85

      sorry but that’s naive. Just because someone likes trek, it doesn’t mean they’ll make a good movie. History already shows that the most successful trek movies are ones written by guys who weren’t trek fanboys.

      in either case, if anything, it should be more a priority for anyone hired for the job to like these characters and the reboot, than the original series that has little to do with the alternate reality.
      Tarantino, from his words, seems to want to make a trek Pulp Fiction+ remake of old tos episodes. The ones who hated Into Darkness and JJ should, actually, be terrified right now LOL The dude didn’t like Into Darkness not because it wasn’t original enough, but because it wasn’t carbon copy of TWOK.

      If he loved trek so much, or got its values not to mention the integrity of the reboot’s narrative, he wouldn’t want to hire that writer and make the movie R-Rated. These things already suggest an attempt from his part to turn trek into another thing (specifically, one of his other movies)

      • TG1701

        Yeah Bob Orci is one of the biggest Trek fans out there. Watched every film and show many times. Look how that turned out with the JJ movies…

      • scotchyscotchscotch

        That’s a fair assessment if diving deeper into it. Like I said, these are just initial reports so I’m only letting myself react proportionately. This was just my one single first feeling.

  • October_1985

    I’m so in for this!

    • Starshipdown

      So, Doc, since you’re already there in the future, do you mind telling us how it all ends?

      • October_1985

        No idea, but as the good trekkie I like to believe I’m I try to maintain an open mind. As certain captain said once “Young minds, fresh ideas”.

        • Geoffry Woods

          Tarantino is hardly a “young mind.” LOL
          (Not bashing the news, just pointing out!)

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    • BLITZKREG

      Agreed !!! I think Trek works best when they take chances. I love QT movies…I really hope this film gets made and we are in for the ride of our lives.

  • Michael Freeman

    One of the things I always loved about Star Trek was that I could watch any Star Trek series or movie, and pretty much not have to worry if my kids come in and watch too. In fact, I usually encourage it. But with Discovery and this possible new R-rated Star Trek, that’s not possible. So I’m out. Star Trek is officially dead for me. Thanks, CBS/Paramount.

    • mrserling

      Really? How often do you sit with your kids and watch people being killed? Or cheating? Or fighting? But a couple “naughty” words (in DSC’s case) crosses the line, huh?

      This reply isn’t necessarily about YOU — but for anyone who pretends to freak out over language but is ok with just about any other content to which we’ve sadly become desensitized.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      The funny thing is most kids don’t get Star Trek until they are about 13. And by then, even if you think they are “pure,” they are most likely watching illegal downloads of Game of Thrones and similar stuff on their smart phones with you being none the wiser.

    • iMike

      While I’m certainly not on board with the next Trek film looking like Kill Bill or Pulp Fiction, an R rating doesn’t necessarily mean a lot of curse words and/or sex. Think back to 2002; the final cut of ‘Nemesis’ came with a PG-13 rating. If Troi’s rape scenes hadn’t been edited down it could have easily been an R-rating. Previous Trek films carried a PG rating.

      Also, think about a lot of the mature (I won’t say adult, because I don’t think one necessarily has to be legally an adult to understand mature themes) themes of previous Trek series/films. The entire history of Star Trek has explored such themes as racial and sexual discrimination, sexual exploitation, genocide, LGBT themes, slavery, economics … I could go on.

      I became a Trek fan with TNG in 1992, obviously I came in late. But TNG and its subsequent spin-offs were gold to me. At 13 I thought I understood a lot about Trek; then I got a lot older and re-watched all of Trek a few times. It’s amazing what you catch as an adult that you didn’t catch as a teen/child.

      Think about what your kids watch now … do they see violence (of any kind) on television? Do they see shows with romantic encounters? Your children are very likely already exposed to adult themes. A R-rating on a Star Trek film is still probably going to be “safer” for them than 3/4 of the content they already see.

    • IsSkeptical

      so I guess you covered your kids ears everytime Picard said merde, or covered their eyes when they blew up guys head at end of conspiracy. Even covered their ears when Data said “Oh sh!t!” when crashing the D. Just say you don’t like the idea of it and not make excuses.

    • BLITZKREG

      If you educate your children…they should be fine. You can view the movie first and then make a decision. Not all R rated films have profanity. Sometimes it could be just violence i a film that grants an R rating. And I am sure your kids have seen worse behind your back or heard worse at school. You can only shelter kids for so long.

    • TUP

      Poor you.

    • TG1701

      If your kids go to school, they have been exposed to much worse by now trust me. I learned to cuss and learned about sex at my elementary school, not on TV. But to be fair I went to a really bad school.

  • Quintillion Tesla

    Intriguing as this sounds, I’ve seen so many stories over the years where visionary directors were attached to exciting projects in the early stages, only for the studio to get cold feet over various aspects, leading to the director walking away.
    What we end up in those cases is something far less than spectacular.

    Whilst I do hope Paramount bends over backwards to make this bear fruit, I can see them being overly cautious ( understandable since the poor box office for BEYOND ).

    I wonder then if this will be a quasi-reboot – same actors as the JJ films perhaps, but in a continuity that’s slightly removed from the prior films?

    • MeisterOlsen

      I hope this is going to be another reboot. Keep the actors but change everything else. The one thing I have to give JJ, he has excellent casting.

      • Eric

        Great casting, except for Khan. That was pretty bad.

        • JLH13

          Totally disagree. Khan was great.

          • Eric

            Great actor; too far removed from Ricardo Montalban. Benicio De Toro who seems to have been considered, would have been a better fit. Plus, the fact that they LIED about it and even tried to strangely duplicate some aspects of WOK made it my least favorite of the three.

          • gregge

            A weedy British guy just doesn’t say “Genetically Engineered Super Man” like a guy with lots of muscles, with an indeterminate European ancestry look.

          • Kirksdeadjim

            Actually Cumberbatch was pretty ripped for Into Darkness.

          • gregge

            Google cumberbatch vs montalban. Those muscles on Montalban? All his.

          • JLH13

            I feel he came across as a super man quite well. Idk man, the fight between him and spock made my hair stand up, it was intense IMO.

            Maybe he wasnt super ripped, but idk if he had to be, khan was always vulcan-esque to me; super intelligent and way stronger than he looked. Hard to be stronger than you look if you are arnold.

            I’ll give the fact the del toro would have been an excellent casting choice though, but I still think Benedict did great based on what I always saw khan to be.

        • TG1701

          Yeah Khan was a total disaster.

  • prometheus59650

    You’ll look fondly on Into Darkness after this.

    Calling it now.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Thanks for taking a break from your 300+ Al Frankin posts today to weight in on this.

      😉

    • TUP

      Nothing could make STID good. If they make a worse film, it will be worse on its own.

      But let’s not pretend that its not how awful STID was that the film franchise is in the position of needing to be saved by someone like QT.

      • prometheus59650

        Tarantino Trek?

        Yes, it will.

        And Beyond was solid, yet no one watched it, so I doubt Reservoir Trek will prove to be any sort of panacea.

        • TUP

          They badly need buzz. STID pissed away all the good will an inroads that 2009 made. No one cared about Beyond.

          QT gives it buzz. Major buzz.

          Its the same reason I felt they dismissed Shatner too easily. The idea they couldn’t fit him in creatively is laughable. If you’re a writer and you say you have no ideas, then you need to find a new career. Any other issue can be worked out.

          Shatner brings buzz.

          And actually, QT is the type that likes to take older actors or actors that have faded or actors that he envisions in new roles and gets acclaimed performances out of them. I could absolutely see him being interested in Shatner…and if he directs, he could get a great performance out of him.

          • prometheus59650

            Shatner did not bring “buzz.”

            Bringing buzz to a fandom that most of whom would see the movie is not buzz.

            No one beyond fanboys cared about that and it’s only fanboys that are still talking about that now.

          • TUP

            You’re absolutely completely wrong. Perhaps you were out of the country or off the grid when the “Shatner” news leaked about him being in Orci’s story. It was HUGE news in the entertainment world. It was on mainstream news sites.

            It was big. And it was all free buzz.

          • prometheus59650

            I was here.

            And no. It really, really wasn’t.

            You can live in the reality you created, and I’ll stick in the real one.

            Have a great day.

          • TUP

            HAHAHAHA I can tell you know you’re wrong by how snarky and dismissive you suddenly got!!

            I’d say being news on CNN and other mainstream news sites is pretty big buzz for a Star Trek actor. And if you could take your head out of the sand long enough, you’d admit it too!

            But you can pretend. And the rest of us will just accept facts as facts.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You should see some of this dudes political posts….really out there and negative.

          • TG1701

            No one gives a shit about Shatner anymore except people who been watching him play Kirk for over 30 years now. No one under 30 gives a shit and why these fanboys don’t speak for the masses out there which is what Star Trek should be aiming for.

      • The could have saved that movie with a script rewrite.

        • TUP

          Thats very true. Im not script writer and I rattled of several changes that would have improved it. Not enough critical thinking and “notes” on that one.

        • TG1701

          Probably several script rewrites. That turkey needed a long way to go before it was completely baked.

          • Really, it was two movies forced together and not enough thought put into it

          • TG1701

            Yes thats the problem. The first half felt like it was a major conspiracy building but then the second half it became the Khan show and not in a good way. The first half had potential but the second half destroyed it.

          • Yeah, you can see it just go “eh whatever add an ending”

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Two minor changes and it becomes a good Trek movie:

        1. Don’t make BC Khan — which also eliminates the Spock screaming scene and the Spock Prime cameo scene

        2. Get rid of the long-range transporter plot convenience vehicle and take the time to move things around “normally”

        • TUP

          Assuming they wanted to keep khan I’d have made BC a henchman. Joachim or whatever his name was. But masquerading as khan. Keeps the reveal without being miscast. Then you can let
          Spock prime cameo being him revealing the truth so it actually has a purpose.

          Bust Kirk down. But have Marcus keep Kirk as first officer. Don’t kill pike. Keep him in command. Play Kirk like Marcus’ guy. So the moral decision is better.

          Elevate Marcus to a larger role.

          Yadda yadda yadda.

  • Vger64

    This actually may never happen.

  • Zero Nada

    Star Trek 4kinay bout F*ckin time!

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    The film franchise needs a game-changer. Trek 2009 was a marvelous re-boot, but the two sequels have not delivered. They need to throw the dice here — I completely approve of this bold move.

    • iMike

      I agree that Trek09 was a game changer for the film franchise, I actually think Beyond was a better film substantively speaking. We got to see character relationships and it FELT more like Star Trek to me. But I do agree with you.

      As a franchise, I’ve always felt that Trek works best on the small screen just because of how thematic it is. The films that worked the best are the films that had a solid theme. ‘Into Darkness’ is enjoyable to watch, but it’s not really distinguishable from other sci-fi to me. ‘Beyond’ was my favorite, but lacked promotion and admittedly the plot wasn’t as cohesive as ST09. I don’t think the next film can just simply be a sequel, it has to really have something different.

      Tarantino is different. Let’s go.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Well said!

      • TG1701

        Sadly the JJ films have been a big disappointment for a lot of fans. Yes the first film had great potential but it was a big let down for me. STID was dog shit but I thought Beyond was OK. But it was obvious most of the fans had abandoned these movies and why it bombed.

        MAYBE Tarantino can shake some new life into which funny enough was Abrams original job. We’ll see. Anything has to be an improvement and they can drop as many F bombs in it for all I care, as long as its good.

    • madmadia85

      assuming this movie would be a sequel of this trek, a game-changer doesn’t mean killing it all to appease a new director who can only do certain movies and apparently is not able to respect the integrity of this trek.

      perhaps, the most logical thing would be trying to get back to what made the first movie so successful, and try to bring back the audience that loves these movies already.. not alienate it all the more.

      • Ace Stephens

        “Killing it all” how? We don’t know exactly what his plans are. If a few brutal Klingon battles and a few four-letter words are necessary for the story, what’s so disastrous about that? You say he can only do certain movies and apparently isn’t able to respect the integrity but that’s just ridiculous misframing by you. Someone can respect Trek (including this one – more than you might…) and still think, “It might be worthwhile to explore this more violent history or possibility.” and things like that.

        Elsewhere on Trekcore, you appeared to suggest that people clinging to TOS too strongly (to the point of wanting the new films to do so, like wanting a focus around McCoy rather than Uhura or preferring Beyond for thinking it suited TOS more) was awful and misguided. And now you’re here clinging to the reboot in the same way.

        Move on. Let things change, grow and adapt. Don’t project your cynicism onto others by implying that an R-rated Trek by Tarantino is somehow intrinsically him displaying a limitation rather than possibly displaying his own and the franchise’s versatility. Not that it must be that either – it could all be F-bombs and severed limbs and generally be awful and serve no purpose in those regards (or it could be any number of other things…) but you have no idea at this point.

        You’re just assumptive enough to think you do.

  • Nagilum Sadow

    How about this: bring back Bannon Braga, Ronald D. Moore, Jeri Taylor, etc and make a series that continues exactly where Voyager and DS9 left off?

    • iMike

      Braga, Moore, and Taylor were exceptional on their respective TV series (and films, Braga and Moore were involved in Generations), but I think too much time has passed.

      • Nagilum Sadow

        I know, but one can still fantasize, right?

        • iMike

          Agreed. Since that era of Trek is what I grew up with, I indulge in the post-Nemesis era novels. All the characters I grew up, plus some new ones, all moving on and continuing in that time frame. Most of the novels are actually quite good.

      • kadajawi

        There’s still a market out there for classic Trek… it helps not doing the same stuff everyone else is doing. So if everyone is depressing and dark, there needs to be a show that isn’t. And Braga clearly showed that he is interested in doing Star Trek again… and he sort of does. Not sure about the others.

        IMHO there ought to be more Trek shows, with different styles. There wasn’t an issue with DS9 running alongside TNG and then VOY, was there? Discovery can be DS9, and some other show can be TNG. Some fans enjoy both, others only one of them, and that’s fine.

        Hopefully DSC is doing well enough, and Orville is doing well enough, for CBS to reconsider. It’s a shame they passed on Orville, thinking it wasn’t what audiences want. Hell yes do audiences want it, and the gorgeous model (they are using some CGI for the more spectacular scenes, but the beauty shots are doing just like they were done on TNG, and it shows!). And the show is done on a modest budget, apparently average for normal TV shows, further showing that you don’t need to invest 8-10 million per episode.

        Also, can’t Moore and especially Behr run DSC? They want a dark, gritty Star Trek show? Go to the person who knows exactly how to do those.

        • TG1701

          Behr would do a much better job than the people running DSC now thats for sure. For starters he would actually make the Klingon war exciting and compelling. I don’t remotely care about the war and yet 90% of the story line is about the war.

      • TG1701

        Isn’t most of the people who are writing on Discovery were making Trek when they were making Trek? HOw about old man Meyer? That guy last wrote a Trek story in 1990 and he’s now one of the ‘writers’ on Discovery. I put that in quotes because I don’t think we have seen one script out of that show with his name on it which probably tells you how well that is going for Meyer. But seriously most of these people who works on Discovery started writing for Trek in the 90s including Bryan Fuller who created the thing.

        Its not like its some young new blood who work on the show, they are mostly experienced Star Trek writers, except oddly the show runners themselves who never wrote for Trek until now.

    • Kenny8

      Braga’s killing it on the Orville

    • kadajawi

      Well, yes, but if you want classic Trek in the vein of TNG, you can find some of the Trek writers and lots of fans on The Orville. I wish they were allowed to be part of canon, but I’m glad they exist. I’m also glad Trek can explore darker, grittier stories now (I just wish it was better written and had better art direction etc.).

  • I am totally good with R rated.

  • Grant Kerr

    I do recall that Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country was originally going to be Rated R. Due to the Chancellor Gorkon assassination scene. All that red blood adrift without gravity. And splatting on the floor when the gravity was restored. By merely changing the realistic red blood to purple, the film evaded the R rating. It was borderline upon release in 1991. Yet many Trek parents took their children to see that film without question. Now to what degree Tarantino would hope the writers will go into a 21st century R rating is anyone’s guess.

  • Locutus

    The original concept for Star Trek was a “wagon train to the stars” or basically a western in space. I could see QT pulling off an R-rated Star Trek movie with some influences from classic westerns. He has an affinity for the western genre, and it could be an interesting take to add to Star Trek. In a way, it would be more faithful to Star Trek’s roots than the other Abrams movies. I like that it might be R-rated. For instance, I thought Logan benefited from the free reign that the R-rating lent to it. Some saw the influence of the western genre in that film as well.

  • Lee Gregory

    I highly doubt this will become a reality.

    Producers come and go during the development phase of a project.

  • madmadia85

    this is like a bad joke, I don’t even know where to start here. This is too bad on so many levels.
    Tarantino should just keep making his own movies instead of wanting to alter trek now and alienate a good side of its audience that loves these movies (including kids).

    Paramount is jumping the shark if all these rumors are true.

    thank you for killing any remaining hope I, a fan of this trek, might have had for a fourth movie I guess. I just give up.

    • BLITZKREG

      A director takes on many different types of movies. QT doesn’t have to stick to ” his movies “. This really is great if it happens. I been a hardcore Trek fan for over 40 years and I love seeing different takes on it.

    • TUP

      Yeah. Critically acclaimed writer and director interested in taking on Star Trek, guy who’s known for character films and producing great movies on lesser budgets who is a genuine fan of the franchise. Yup, sounds awful! lol

    • TG1701

      It would be the 14th movie and there is no word yet if the Kelvin cast would even be in this yet. My guess since Abrams is producing they could be but this could also be a completely different reboot and give Tarantino the freedom to make a Trek film in his way instead of watching fratboy Kirk suddenly start sounding like Samuel L. Jackson. We’ll just have to see I guess.

      • madmadia85

        I hope it’s a spin off with a different cast. That way it will be easier for us who loved the first movies and these characters to just ignore this movie.

        • TG1701

          Thats true. But maybe it won’t be as bad as you think if it is the previous characters. But yes I think the Kelvin films suck so I’m hoping to get something new in general.

          But if we don’t then I am hoping he makes those films more Star Trek but I’m not exactly holding my breath either way.

          • madmadia85

            I almost envy people who don’t like these movies and the characters, and thus won’t care either way.

  • TUP

    My questions:

    Can JJ work effectively with QT, sharing the power and glory

    Can Paramount afford this

    Is this related to QT’s need for a new studio and Paramount is shining him on or willing to turn over Trek to his hands to lure QT in.

    Its very exciting, regardless of whether it happens. People get hung up on the violence aspect but consider the quality of film that QT has made on limited budgets with solid actors, wonderful character moments etc.

    You can bet that he wont sit down and come up with an expensive flash bang scene and then try to write a character moment around it.

    • Like it or not, his movies are often thought provoking and interesting.

      • TUP

        Im a big QT fan! When I was…18/19 and Pulp Fiction came out, it was a revelation. It was THE talk of my work place back then. Like people quoting the film in every situation. I remember groups of people having viewing parties, going to the theatre together. It was SO good.

        Then I went back and watched Reservoir Dogs and was blown away. Kill Bill was an epic masterpiece.

        Even knowing he did a re-write of Crimson Tide explained why that pedestrian sub film was so darn good.

        JJ can handle the flash bangs and blow em ups. QT can give us what we’ve lacked – a friggen story, friggen characters, adult drama, GREAT dialogue.

        If it happens, it will be glorious!

  • GIBBS v2

    I’m intrigued but I find it so hard to believe this.

    Tarantino really is his own brand now, he doesn’t do franchises but with a shrinking global box office and a slate of actors about to go their separate ways. I suppose Paramount is willing to take a gamble and shake things up with a hardboiled, lower budget Trek film.

  • Captain Lorca, Section 31

    Absolutely the stupidest crap this Captain has ever heard.

    • TUP

      Broken record!

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Your post was.

  • Captain Lorca, Section 31

    This will kill Star Trek for good if it happens. There is literally no good reason why Star Trek needs the “R” rating. None.

    Every single minute of Star Trek we have seen until now (save Discovery ) was able to convey hope and future for our species, and tell gripping sci-fi stories.

    The “Inner light” comes to mind, as does “The visitor”

    They are top quality, and R rating would not have helped them at all

    • TUP

      Good story has nothing to do with the rating. Or is STID so good because it wasnt R rated? Puh-leeze.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Yea, just silly and immature for him/her to have that tirade???

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Sheesh, what a reactionary, over-emotional response. Since when can’t an R-rated movie have hope and convey positive themes?

      Dude, no offense, but grow up!

      • Captain Lorca, Section 31

        So you are saying that the R rating will add to the quality? How exactly? The director is known for shocking blood and gore in his movies. How will that add to the core message of Star Trek?

        You sound like a bitter person desperate for anything after you did not get what you wanted with the JJ movies, and Discovery is not exactly what you hoped, so you and it seems many others are willing to let a butcher known for ultra violence have his way with Star Trek.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          “and Discovery is not exactly what you hoped”

          Nope. Not only do I love Discovery, but I guarantee you that ep 9, “Into the Forrest I Go” would have received a R-Rating for that sex-torture scene. And Discovery is “pushing R” in other eps as well, which is why you are completely baffling me now by bringing Discovery up to support your argument here???

          So once again you go off half-cocked with making huge assumptions about things before you have any real info. Apparently that is how you roll. I am not impressed.

  • Section31
  • Captain Lorca, Section 31

    Good stories do not need the “R” rating.

    • Ace Stephens

      Good stories don’t need any particular rating (don’t give that kind of power to the MPAA by pretending they determine a story’s quality).

    • Good stories are good stories. The ratings come later. Having an R rating does not magically make it less good then a PG-13 rating. What it does however, it takes the silly imitators off and offers a deeper brush to pain the story.

    • TUP

      Blows my mind that some people still get caught up in silliness like the rating. I doubt QT told Paramount it had to be R or else he wouldnt even pitch. Its more likely his pitch required an R creatively and he wanted to see if the studio would even entertain it.

      Good story is good story.

      • Captain Lorca, Section 31

        The very director being considered in this story is “caught up in silliness” like the rating. Ask yourself why? It’s strange that he wants to pre-limit the possible audience for the movie before its even written.

        Why limit the audience with the R rating? If the last three movies were R rated, they would have bombed even harder, especially Beyod

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          You just proved that you really are just making it up as you go along here. Only the third movie bombed. Like, duh?

          Pay attention to the facts, son.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Stop being so silly, son

  • Ace Stephens

    After Paramount got Fincher for World War Z II…this seems like more surprising news from them regarding their courting a well-regarded director. I just hope they know what they’re doing – I can’t imagine they agreed to an R without an understanding of why the content of his pitch made it worthwhile.

    • TG1701

      A Fincher Trek film would be great!

      • Ace Stephens

        If Paramount can find the sweet spot between allowing auteurs to pursue their visions and maintaining franchise integrity, they could suddenly be very relevant to cinephiles and hardcore fans. Which likely means they can make more money, both in the immediate case and because the critical/financial reputation of the given franchise may be elevated enough to allow for more entries.

        I hope they know what they’re doing.

  • bulletproof1979

    The new movies have been creatively barren, lets face it. This could be the shot in the arm the films need and certainly Tarrantinos involvement will bring in a fresh crowd.

    • TG1701

      True. I don’t know how I completely feel about this but anything better than the JJ verse style.

  • Fiery Little One

    Star Trek Tarantino-style: I feel an episode quote seems appropriate for some reason.

    Sisko: So I will learn to live with it… Because I can live with it… I can live with it… Computer – erase that entire personal log.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    PLEASE — Christopher Waltz in Trek 4 !!!!!

  • PJ

    I would have been horrified by this years ago, but Star Trek has now been turned into such a Frankenstein’s monster, there isn’t really much left of the old heartwarming feel to the franchise worth fighting for any longer. What the hell, f bombs and ultra violence it is then!

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      The main horror for me as a Star Trek fan was seeing Voyager and Enterpris after the goo TNG series and great DS9 series. Thank god that’s all in the past now.

      • TG1701

        Yeah because the JJ movies have been such masterpieces lol.

        Trust me, many of us are waiting for those trashy films to be forgotten as fast as possible. Beyond has obviously started that train since no one wanted to see it.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Trust me, many of us haven’t seen Enterprise and Voyager episodes since they aired, and will be fine never to view then again. That’s hours and hours or wasted time in our lives that could have been better spent on other things.

          • TG1701

            I actually gave up on Enterprise during its first season. I came back to it years later and watched the whole thing and now I love it. I still watch odd episodes every week like all the shows. No its not perfect but it actually feels like Star Trek. JJ movies were Star Wars movies with kids commanding the Enterprise. They spent two movies doing zero exploration. Kirk acted like he was still a junior in college I can’t take him seriously as a Captain. Mostly because he wasnt a captain but a cadet on academic leave but made one a week later. I can not believe these movies got past the script stage.

            Nemises was total shit I agree. Insurrection I use to hate but has grown on me a little. And it still feels like Star Trek and not a wannabe Star Wars movie.

          • DC Forever

            The first Kelvin movie was the best Trek feature since IV. The last two were not so great though.

            Insurection is the worst Trek movie ever made. Nemesis, Beyond and V are far superior

          • TG1701

            You think Nemesis is better than Insurrection? OK. I certainly don’t. I thought Nemesis was the biggest piece of shit I seen in all the films….until Star Trek Into Darkness that is. Of course they both had the crappy WOK like ending (note to future Trek writers, stop making movies with WOK endings….they all suck!)

            Star Trek might be in better shape depending on who you ask. Many hate the JJ films and why Beyond crashed and burned. Discovery is OK so far but it doesn’t feel much like Star Trek to me. But yes better than the shitty JJ films I give you that and why I’m not giving up on it just yet.

      • PJ

        Yes, thank goodness JJ came along to save from all those touching emotional moments and uplifting moral tales. I for one know the world was desperately crying out for more sci fi with fists, phasers and space battles every 10 minutes.

  • Wildcat30

    I’m open to to QT and an R rating.

    It could open things up artistically if we’re not doing a PG-13 film made to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

    I can’t imagine it getting worse than picking another Fast & Furious director.

  • Kevin Attwood

    I just to coin the phrase and get it out there – STARANTINO TREK! Make it so!

    • Vger64

      Good One! You heard it first here folks!

  • ReveurIngenu

    I am just ecstatic over this news! I had pretty much given up on the current Trek movies after the abominable Into Darkness and Beyond, but this news just gives me hope for the future of Trek. People will ask why the rating needs to be R, I’d like to ask them why every big budget movie needs to be family-friendly mass-appeal watered-down PG-13. I’ve given up on most of Hollywood’s big budget movies for this reason (superhero movies being a prime example).

    God, how I hope Tarantino will direct this next Trek movie and that it will indeed be an R movie. I hope it will be a hard R, a movie that won’t cater to (and not even try to avoid offending) feminists or “victimized” and “oppressed” minorities.

    You’ve gotten my hopes up, Tarantino! I forbid you from disappointing me now!

  • Robert Sprague LaFleur

    I don’t understand what all the worry is about you have one of the biggest movie geeks alive, he’s an outstanding writer and director and with this R rating Tarantino will deliver a super dark, violent action Sci-fi flick that will blow all you Star Trek fans away. Hopefully keeping the same cast you will not be disappointed.

    • Captain Lorca, Section 31

      This is the problem here.

      Star Trek is about hope for the future of humanity. That is the core value of Star Trek.

      It is NOT about “A super dark, violent action sci-do flick”

      This is the kind of crap I was worried about when J.J. Abrams took over the movies. He at least as inept as he handled the franchise did not turn it into a complete fiasco ( into darkness came VERY close )

      Star Trek is THE granddaddy of sci-fi. It deserves to be treated with high respect. Bringing in a blood splattering butcher like this guy is a hideous mistake

      • Robert Sprague LaFleur

        There doesn’t have to be blood and gore for a dark story line but it’s obvious you’ve already made up your mind, you go into something with a negative attitude and that’s exactly what you’ll get. Just stick to the TV version God forbid they changed the format in anyway.

        • Captain Lorca, Section 31

          His movies are known for their ultra “shock” violence. He apparently demanded the “R” rating or he would walk. Why else would he demand the R?

      • IsSkeptical

        Star Trek is THE grandaddy of scifi…to you.

  • Captain Lorca, Section 31

    Star Trek does not need the senseless violence and gore that he loves to put in his movies to tell a great story. I think he is a great director and creator, but he is absolutely the wrong person to handle a Star Trek film. The styles clash just too much between him and Star Trek.

    Adding R rated material would not have benefited “City on th Edge of Forever” at all, nor would it have added to “The Inner Light” from TNG, or “The Visitor” from DS9.

    The news that he wants to direct and “insisted” upon the R rating is very bizzare at best.

    • Locutus

      I dunno. Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing an R-rated version on the Borg (if Voyager hadn’t already neutered them).

      • Captain Lorca, Section 31

        What would gore and blood do for the Borg?

        • Locutus

          I don’t think any Borg movies or episodes really showed yhe horror of being transformed into a Borg. Taken to its logical extent, it could involve mutilation, decapitation, and psychoogical terror.

          • Captain Lorca, Section 31

            Which adds nothing to the story

          • Locutus

            I disagree. There’s a big difference between a PG war movie and an R-rated war movie. Showing the reality of violence is more impactful than trying to sanitize it. Star Trek films are guilty of a lot of violence and sanitized violence is a lot worse.

  • Captain Lorca, Section 31

    The must be absolutely desperate to bring in this gorefest butcher to make a movie. His movies are fine for what they are, but his style clashes so hard with what Star Trek is all about. I doubt he will change his style to respect Star Trek.

    This is a fiasco and almost as bad as Trump being President. The two just do not fight right.

    • Locutus

      “Almost as bad as Trump being President…”

      Now there’s a hyperbolic statement if I ever heard one. Nothing compares.

      • TG1701

        Agreed on that! Tarantino may have is issues but don’t saddle the poor man next to that.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Michael? Is that you?

      • Captain Lorca, Section 31

        ? I like Lorca better than Michael as a character. That’s why I named myself Captain Lorca

  • Truthseekingmissle

    Classic Trek showed us a world wherein we (humans) conquered/fought our base instincts. All I see now are races to the Bottom where everything is acceptable. Nothing to aspire to, to be better than we are.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Where is Bottom located? Eastern Europe?

  • Darran Clements

    It wouldn’t be the execrable STD… that’s enough. It also would be better than letting it become Star Trek: Simon Pegg… who has many talents, but writing sci-fi and Scottish accents aren’t among them.

    • James Tiberius Crunch

      He doesn’t have to do a Scottish accent. He’s got to do James Doohan’s Scottish accent.
      Someone with a Russian accent wouldn’t say “Nuclear Wessels”. But Walter Koenig did so they had Anton Yelchen adapt to a more ‘Koenig Russian’ accent.

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  • Captain Lorca, Section 31

    He will never get the chance to direct as he is in the next round of sexual harassment swamp draining in Hollywood. He has a known reputation as a womanizer and it’s only a matter of time before more brave women come forward and reveal they were groped and/or raped by him.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      You sound a lot like the dude who’s posted here before under many different names, and who keeps getting booted off by the mods.

      • Captain Lorca, Section 31

        I never accused anyone. I am simply speaking about his reputation around Hollywood that I hear. I work in the industry and he is a “known” person like Harvey was, but no one said anything for years because they wanted top movie spots.

        • TG1701

          What makes you think Captain Lorca is really a Section 31 agent? It would explain some things but he just seem like a complete dick with his own motives.

          • Captain Lorca, Section 31

            I have knowledge of the plot

          • DC Forever

            No, you do not. We’ve been through this with you before here, clown.

          • TG1701

            How? No one else does.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          You are so obviously just making shit up here as you go along..you are not fooling me.

          • DC Forever

            He is not fooling anyone here.

        • DC Forever

          Lol. Sure, of course you are a well-placed Hollywood insider who shares info on expected future scandals of QT being made publi. with us on Trekcore. Lol

          Give me a break; LMFAO

      • DC Forever

        Yes, it sounded lik “HE” may be back.

    • DC Forever

      Shame on you. There is ZERO information to suggest that QT has abused anyone.

      What a pathetic post,

      • Captain Lorca, Section 31

        The shame is his. He knew about Harvey and his sexual assaults yet did nothing. He also took trips to Epstein’s island on the Lolita express it is very heavily rumored. It will come out soon, ever since Hugh Hefner died and his private records of those who came to his ranch for misdeeds were delivered to his longtime friend, Donald Trump, suddenly large amounts of people are getting exposed as perverts, rapists, pedophiles.

        • DC Forever

          WTF???

          Yea, sure, whatever you say, clown.

  • Ian Fleming

    That F-bomb on ST:DSC was just the beginning….

    • Not, started with data saying sh !T

      • Ian Fleming

        We’ve come full circle then, if Sir Patrick wants in on QT’s movie.

  • TG1701

    I still don’t know how I completely feel about this. On one hand Tarantino might take it too far. On the other hand the JJ verse movies have been an abomination so ANY change would be a welcome one. Sure he could just make them worse (assuming it will be the same cast) but I can’t blame Paramount for trying to do something different. I think most fans gave up on these films and why Beyond bombed so badly. There was just no real buzz any more which is kind of sad for a cast who barely just started. And what’s crazy is Beyond was actually a decent movie even if it still failed on the writing level but it felt like TOS even if just a little bit and not just a Star Wars version of TOS which JJ sucky films delivered.

    Maybe this one will give us some strong character scenes and a strong story that relies less on pew pew and explosions like the JJ films and more on a strong compelling story like Trek is (usually) known for.

  • James Tiberius Crunch

    Tarantino’s favorite episode is “Yesterday’s Enterprise”. I’d be cool if he remade it for the big screen.

    http://www.missionlogpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/158.jpg

    • TG1701

      I hope he doesn’t. Yesterday’s Enterprise is one of the best Trek stories out there but can we come up with something new? The Kelvin boys thought it would be cool to recreate parts of WOK in STID….look how well that went over with the fans?

      I never think its a god idea to make a story that is in direct comparison to another one. It just asking for trouble.

      Sometimes its best to just leave well enough alone.

    • AmiRami

      It would be weird though. Yesterday’s Enterprise is the ideea of time travel being in a single universe and reversible. Kelvin Trek is all about quantum mechanics and spawning off new universes when you change something in time.

      • James Tiberius Crunch

        I hope he abandons Kelvin Trek and goes NextGen.

  • I like Tarantino’s stuff in general, but I think an R rating for a Trek film is a mistake.

    Star Trek is a series which explores adult concepts, but usually in a way that children can understand and watch with their parents. That was certainly my experience growing up. Even the violent war arcs of Deep Space Nine and Enterprise are still represented in such a way that is acceptable for a family audience.

    It’s a bit like the f-bomb in Discovery. I don’t see what an R rating can add to Star Trek that couldn’t be done with a lower rating.

  • Kurt Prester

    oh wow! R-rated trek! how totally kewl will that be! they can finally drop the f-bomb and be sooo hip and edgy like the new show! 🙄

  • StalwartUK

    As long as the rating doesn’t compromise the story. Hopefully with a big name director like Tarantino behind the next will do wonders for it’s publicity which was seriously lacking with the last film.