TNG S7 Blu-ray Info Revealed at Las Vegas Con

A just-completed panel at this week's Creation Star Trek Convention out in Las Vegas has revealed some new details about the upcoming Season 7 Blu-ray release of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Blu-ray bonus content producer Roger Lay, Jr. hosted the discussion, joined by consultants Michael and Denise Okuda and Trek director James Conway.

stlv-brpanelConway, the Okudas, and Lay. (Photo via Twitter)

The group confirmed that an "In Conversation" piece -- originally planned for the TNG Season 6 release -- will be included in the final Blu-ray set, focusing on the filming of the series and will include Conway along with producer/director David Livingston and longtime Trek director of photography Jonathan West.

Roger Lay: "We hope to take the viewer into the process [of creating the show]."

James Conway: "It was so much fun to go back and sit down and talk to them about it... it's been twenty years and it felt like yesterday."

In addition to the usual long-format documentary interviews covering the end of the series (set to be a whopping two hours), there will also be a never-before-seen 'home movie,' shot by the Okudas on the empty TNG sets before they were damaged and destroyed for Star Trek Generations!

Roger Lay: "This is the definitive account of how wonderful the environment they created was."

Mike Okuda: "There's always a lot of security around shows like these, and and you're not supposed to bring a camera in to shoot this type of footage -- but we did."

On the subject of episode audio commentaries, while we're hoping Brannon Braga's "Parallels" track from the Alternate Realities Fan Collective DVD set will be included, the panel wouldn't offer many specifics as to which Season 7 episodes may receive recordings -- though they did throw a bone to TNG fans and confirm that "All Good Things..." will have a new commentary track!

When asked about the possibility of seeing Deep Space Nine on Blu-ray, however, Mike Okuda shot down any talk regarding the spin-off series, wary of CBS representatives in the audience:

Mike Okuda: "Please understand when we say we are not allowed to talk about potential or future projects."

Finally, the Okudas took a moment to reflect on this second Next Generation conclusion, after returning to work on the series these past few years.

Denise Okuda: "It's very strange -- for the last three years we've been immersed in it again."

Mike Okuda: "There's definitely some separation anxiety... but it's an unprecedented accomplishment and we're very proud to be part of it."

We'll continue to bring you more information regarding TNG Season 7 on Blu-ray as we get closer to the release date this winter -- but what do you think about these teases?

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Reporting by James Moorehouse for TrekCore.com

  • Allen Williams

    In other words they are looking into DS9 in the near future but want to keep it secret until they actually get started and officially announce it. It probably won’t be announced until next year.

    • http://www.trekcore.com/ TrekCoreStaff

      They’re probably just making sure no quote could be taken as a confirmation of the project, playing it extra safe.

    • http://www.trekcore.com/ TrekCoreStaff

      They’re probably just making sure no quote could be taken as a confirmation of the project, playing it extra safe as not to add to the rumor mill.

      • SpaceCadet

        My heart will always prefer TNG but DS9 on blu-ray would be glorious! Episodes like “The Way of the Warrior” and “A Call to Arms” and “Sacrifice of the Angels” would give my home theater a real good workout!

        • pittrek

          I’m not a big fan of DS9 or VOY, but they definitely deserve to be in HD. SD is dead

          • Data

            Be sure everybody, voyager and ds9 WILL come in (at least) 1080p hd if not in 4k. I know that because otherwise they’ll have to throw these shows away because they won’t ever earn any more money with it because sd really is dead. They could just upscale it but that’s not the way of cbs treats there shows and they know fans would be very angry/disappointed/sad about it (and would refuse to buy it) ..So don’t worry, they HAVE to do it and they will! The shows are not so big as TNG but they are still too big to don’t treat them with love and to just let them die!

    • TrekRules

      Could be or could be that it is not on the books right now and this is their way of keeping the buzz going to CBS does remaster it. With this and comic-con just happening, seems dropping hints about DS9 would be a no-brainer.

      • Allen Williams

        This is what I believe. It may be a year away, but I’m convinced it will happen.

        • mbmarquis69

          I admire your enthusiasm and wish I could share it. It’s feeling less and less likely that HD DS9 is going to happen anytime soon. It will happen but not until the cost of remastering and new digital effects comes down. I’ve adjusted my hope and expectations to getting DS9 on Blu-Ray in the next 3-5 years. We all assumed that it would be on the coat tails of TNG but that doesn’t appear to be likely.

          • Allen Williams

            Let me put it another way then. TOS season 3 was released early 2010. After I started my current job in 2010, I started looking into the possibility of TNG getting remastered. For the exact same reasons your mentioning, they all said the same thing. Its not going to happen. So I kept saying it will happen and guess what? Mid 2011 Levar Burton confirmed it and a week later CBS announced it.

            Another thing to think about. Yes overall DS9 has more effects, but the first couple of seasons weren’t all that different than TNG for effects. The wormhole and Odo are the two biggest changes from TNG. So it won’t be that bad initially. Many of the later sequences are still available but need a little touch up. I don’t think it will be any worse than TNG in the end. I suspect we will get season 1 in 2016.

            Optimism Captain!

          • mbmarquis69

            You know, that’s a really good point concerning TNG. I remember those days well and all the myriad of reasons listed for why TNG HD was not likely to happen. I’ve waffled between unbridled optimism and pessimism lately with DS9 because it’s my favorite Star Trek. I just don’t want to be disappointed, so I’ve prepared myself for the possibility that it could be a few years away. But as I said before, I believe it will happen, no doubt. It’s just not feasible that CBS would allow the two remaining Star Trek series to die in SD.

            Optimism challenge accepted!

  • Aaron Zacharkiw

    I wish we could have gotten “Journey’s End” on one of these Blu-Ray’s. Would have liked to see that special again.

    • Bryce

      They normally include the DVD specials on the Blu Ray don’t they? So, it would be included just in SD, not HD, since it was part of the S7 DVD collection.

      • archer9234

        The problem was it wasn’t in the DVD set. It hasn’t been included in any TNG dvd before. It only aired once on TV. I use to have a copy of it. But I tossed out my VHS tape of it when I bought the TNG series boxset. To find out it was missing… But they did clear the reading rainbow episode. Hopefully they clear this.

        • danielcw

          “Also, the 30th anniversary award show that happened in 1996″

          That one also aired in Germany and would be worth it for the Frasier scene alone.

          • Christopher Roberts

            Maybe next go around for those 30th Anniversary years? An extra feature for whenever Deep Space Nine Season 5, or Voyager Season 3 come out on Blu ray.

        • Sykes

          “Journey’s End” did make it to DVD, in the UK-released TNG “movie-length” episodes box set.

          • trekcore

            I can confirm that “Journey’s End” will be included on the Blu-rays.

          • pittrek

            Any idea if it will be SD or HD? It looks like it was shot on video, which would mean either an upscale or SD

          • http://www.trekcore.com/ TrekCoreStaff

            Bet on SD, like the “Reading Rainbow” piece and the DVD features that have been carried over from the earlier releases.

          • mjdavid

            Yay!

          • Christopher Roberts

            Awesome. I’m happy that’s being put onto shiny disc at last.

          • danielcw

            Just to double check, isn’t one of the original DVD Special features also called “Journey’s End” (besides the episode of course)
            I hope there is no mix-up or I just remember it wrong.

          • Data

            It’s on the german dvd as well, in the movie box, indeed!

    • Kelvin Paull

      I still have my recorded VHS copy of Journey’s End recorded when it aired on TV. I was also wondering if it would make the Blu ray release but I understand what archer9234 is saying about that doc.

    • http://www.scream-movie.net FightingMongooses

      YouTube people. YouTube.

      • Mike C.

        Netfilx, too. At least last time I checked…

  • Chris915

    2 hours?! *jaw drop*

  • dup

    Haaa When I started reading “Home Movie” I thought it was going to be that Captain Stone break in thing. I always thought the voice at the end that catches the dude kind of sounded like Denise Okuda.

  • Justin Olson

    Sounds like a good selection of VAM is shaping up. A Moore/Braga commentary for “All Good Things…” is a no-brainer. I was hoping for a full cast table read of an unproduced script (e.g. “Q Makes Two”) as a final love letter to the fans, but that’s probably just pie in the sky.

  • ScottDS

    Maybe we can get the Moore/Braga “Sub Rosa” commentary that they joked about during the writers’ roundtable.

    • Justin Olson

      If they only have time to record a single commentary together it should most definitely be for “All Good Things…”, particularly since Moore didn’t write “Sub Rosa.” But at the very least I could see a brief snippet of deleted moments for the S7 gag reel of Gates McFadden writhing around the set having ghost sex as she, Frakes, and the crew laugh their asses off!

    • SpaceCadet

      Would love a MST3K-style audio commentary where the writers trash their own episode!

  • mjdavid

    Two hours of documentaries and a home movie?!?! So I’m assuming that would mean four docs instead of three, one of which is probably the “In Conversation” piece originally intended for Season Six. Of course the extra documentary could also be the documentary for whatever standalone they produce. The documentaries have been my favorite part of this remastering experience so I’m excited to see what they discuss.

    As for the DS9 comment, I am not surprised Mike Okuda shot down any discussion of it. Maybe CBS is still trying to figure out the logistics of reproducing DS9 in HD, maybe now that TNG is finally winding down they actually have the time and manpower to figure out if they’re willing to make the investment. Of course they would not want someone who has been involved in the TNG project, someone who would also be involved in any potential DS9 project, discussing what-ifs at a convention.

    As for Season Seven, what a treasure trove of extras to be teased. As to the “Sub Rosa” comments, that episode is in my opinion one of the silliest episodes of any Trek series ever … it seemed to be like they were trying to bring something Anne Rice would have written into TNG. I would absolutely love to see Gates McFadden, Jonathan Frakes, and the writer(s) of that episode reflect on it now. Also, a gag reel from this episode would be priceless!! I’m sure Wil Wheaton will come back and talk about his final TNG experience, and it would be really nice to finally see Michelle Forbes come in and talk about her final TNG experience as well (fingers crossed).

    A new commentary track for “… All Good Things” seems like a no-brainer to me, although it’s likely that will appear on the standalone if the series finale is chosen for the final standalone release. Of course, that’s assuming they produce another standalone. They may decide, since “… All Good Things” is already a two-hour event not to make it a standalone. The only real advantage would be extra bonus features related specifically to the series finale, such as the cast and crew discussing what it was like filming it while transitioning into ‘Generations.’

    • Allen Williams

      I would have happily paid an early adopter tax. I still would of it got us ds9 and vgr.

  • Lenonn

    A little disappointed that we’re (probably) not getting some of the extra filmed things like the Hallmark ornament commercials, the Comic Relief Live sketch, and the Riker Boole & Babbage.

  • SpaceCadet

    Sounds like some very enticing news and extras in store for the last set. I’m not surprised they are doing an audio commentary for “All Good Things”, I’m just concerned they are going to include it as a bonus feature on only a stand-alone disc of the episode. That would supremely annoy me as I’vd refused to but those previous stand-alone releases just for the bonus material. And it would be really nice if we finally got a cast audio commentary, even if it was only one or a few of the actors. It would be nice to hear their thoughts on the episodes they directed. By the 7th season, Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes, and Levar Burton had directed more than one episode and would be joined by Gates McFadden who directed her sole episode for any of the Trek series. Finally, maybe they can get all of the missing deleted footage on this set that they couldn’t include in time for previous sets like the episodes “The Child” and “Evolution”.

  • http://www.scream-movie.net/ Charles Petrosky

    HEY POWERS THAT BE: WE WANT DEEP SPACE NINE ON BLU-RAY!

  • OphidianJaguar

    Trekmovie.com explained it a little better.
    ————————————————————————————————————————
    During the Q&A portion of the panel, one fan asked “when are we going to get Deep Space Nine [in HD]“? to a round of applause from the audience. Okuda was careful in his reply, saying:

    Mike Okuda: First of all, we love Deep Space Nine. Second of all, if you look very carefully [pointing into the audience] there are executives from CBS out there. So please understand when we say “we aren’t allowed to say anything about potential or future projects.”

    Producer Roger Lay added…

    Roger Lay: We all love DS9 and its holy mission. Hopefully these TNG Blu-rays keep selling. And if you guys love the show please support them and pick them up. And hopefully we will move on to the next show.
    ————————————————————————————————————————

    This got me excited because there was a round of applause for DS9 HD and there were CBS execs in the audience.

    And as far as I know TNG on blu-ray is selling very well.

    • pittrek

      Well this could mean “we’re talking about it but the decision wasn’t made yet, don’t ask yet”. So no hope is lost yet

    • MJ

      Wow, that’s good that Trekmovie.com is getting back to some original coverage for a change. They have been pretty much in an “internet cut and paste mode” since Anthony Pascale left after not being able to handle all of the bickering of that unruly crowd of posters over there.

      Regarding news on the new movies, Collider, Variety and Trekcore are the best sources if you want to read the original stories. If you prefer to see the news “cut and pasted” from original sources into one convenient presentation of Trek news, then Trekmovie works pretty well. But I like to reward the sites that provide the original news stories.

    • Allen Williams

      I’ve purchased every Blu-ray release for this very reason. I’m hoping they’ll do more of the feature length specials.

      • Mickey

        Me too! When I saw the recent interview with Roger Lay, I thought, now I have to buy them all and give them my full support. Here’s hoping for 4K!

  • CoolGeek

    Nothing about how massively overpriced the set will be just like the other seasons?

    • Snap

      Massively overpriced? I’m sorry, but did you ever try to collect episodes of any of the Star Trek shows on VHS? How about DVD collections, where the seasons were well over $100, I even saw the original release for the TNG DVD sets priced at $200 at one store, and $99 was considered a good sale price? Now, with all of the work and money involved in restoring the episodes, the blu-ray sets are the most affordable we have ever gotten these shows on home media.

      These sets aren’t like those $40 repackaged DVDs where they took the old DVD transfers which haven’t aged well and slapped them into a new package, the show has literally been reconstructed for high def and you get ALL of the bonus material from the DVDs along with the new material produced for these sets.

      • MJ

        Blah Blah Blah

        THEY ARE MASSIVELY OVERPRICED.

        • pittrek

          These are the cheapest Star Trek releases ever and you call them overpriced? Can you imagine how much did they invest in these?

          • MJ

            They didn’t invest nearly as much as a new production would have cost, so what’s your point?

            The pricing on these, during initial release, is NOT based on how much they need to earn to pay for the great job that the Okuda’s and everyone did on the remastering, etc. The pricing is based on the market — and the market is that large subset of Star Trek fans who they know are willing to pay an ultra high price for these during the initial release. They know this market will bear that price, and hence they charge rates much higher than typical even for most current TV shows.

            This is why, once that initial market of “fans who are willing to pay exorbitant prices” has tapped out, then they will change the pricing to more reasonable prices that less impatient Trek fans like myself are willing to pay.

            It’s Marketing 101, my friend. Pricing is based solely on what the market will bear.

          • Justin Olson

            $2.30 an episode is an exorbitant, ultra-high price?

            How many examples can you provide of another live-action TV show on blu-ray that’s priced significantly less than $2.30 an episode upon initial release? You seem to be making the argument that the pricing is our fault and that virtually every other TV show is much, much cheaper than Star Trek — that only Trek fans are dumb enough to pay so much money. Well, you’re going to have to provide ample proof in order for us to be convinced of your argument!

          • MJ

            My own experience regarding the price points on Star Trek media over the years are enough proof for myself, if not you. I used to overpay on initial releases, but quickly saw the lack of cost-benefit in that practice. I was fine watching my TOS DVD’s for two more years until I was able to get the whole series for $80. There is one example for you.

            Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

          • Justin Olson

            So you in fact have no relevant examples or proof to support your claim? Shame on you indeed! Here is a graph showing the decline of the ST:TNG video prices (per episode) over the years:

          • MJ

            As I mentioned, and you conveniently chose to ignore, the per episode cost is certainly interesting, but’s it pretty much meaningless in terms of the unit cost to get a disk media product to market. It is all about what the market will bear. Whether there are six discs with 24 episodes or 3 disks with 10 episodes makes little difference — production-wise, for a TV series, the overall cost of getting a disk package to market is not much different…a six disk burn and slightly bigger packaging might cost the production run perhaps $1.50 more…that’s nothing. And again, the pricing is not even based on this — it’s waht the market will bear.

            I appreciate your work to provide a cool Excel spreadsheet view here (well done!), but again, it misses the point entirely. Of course I acknowledge that the price the market will bear for different media types changes over time. Sure, of course the market pricing for Star Trek is not done in a complete vacuum with regard to competitive media prices — BUT, within a given media type market and historical time-period, be it VHS, DVD or Blu-Ray, the initial Star Trek releases are always pushing the limit of exorbitant prices. But again, the per episode price is pretty much meaningless here anyway.

          • Justin Olson

            MJ,

            I think we’re talking past one another. As a consumer, I’m looking at it from the — wait for it — consumer’s point of view! The first consideration is, “How much do I like this show? How likely am I to watch this over and over?” That’s followed closely by, “How much dramatic content am I getting for my money?” Since I have no control over how much a TV show is priced, the only thing I can do is to pick something that has the most bang for the buck… for me.

            In your view, a season of GAME OF THRONES, priced at $30 upon initial release with 560 hours of dramatic content ($3 an episode) is an entirely appropriate price and you are willing to pay it. I would actually agree with that. But with TNG you cry foul! $60 upon initial release with 1,180 hours of dramatic content ($2.30 an episode) is suddenly an ultra-high, exorbitant price. And not only that, but Star Trek fans are primarily to blame!

            Just… wow. Where is this attitude coming from? There’s something else going on here and I’m not sure exactly what it is.

            Nevertheless, I’m still waiting for you to provide several relevant, comparable examples of other live-action TV shows on Blu-ray that are selling for significantly less than TNG for an equivalent amount of content. If you summarily reject the price per episode analysis, how else are you comparing completely different TV shows to one another and arriving at the conclusion that only Star Trek has unique “ultra-high, exorbitant” pricing? What criteria about the TV shows themselves are you using to make that determination?

            If the number of discs in the set makes little difference, then — logically — why should a box set of all the seasons together cost more than an individual season set? Shouldn’t they all be priced at <$40 no matter what it is, no matter how much content is provided? Six discs or 42; 26 episodes or 178, why should it matter? That's the baffling argument you're making.

            In order for you to single out the $60 TNG Blu-rays as overpriced, you must first explain how something like "Person of Interest: Season Two" — a TV show you brought up in the conversation, I might add! — was essentially the same price upon release for roughly the same amount of content and yet is somehow not overpriced in your view. How are that show's fans not culpable dupes responsible for its pricing, but Star Trek fans are?

            Again, I see no convincing evidence that Star Trek is priced higher than other comparable TV shows on Blu-ray. Until you can provide that evidence, I reject your baseless assertions. You have every right to wait as long as you want to buy these sets at a price you feel comfortable paying. What I have a problem with is accusing those of us who buy during release week of keeping the price "ultra-high." It's simply not true.

          • archer9234

            I’m not arguing TNG price as it is. $60 is a fine price for them. But past ST sets have been released higher than $60 before. The TOS BD sets, when they first came out, where $80 each. ENT S2, for example was stuck at $74 till a few months ago, it got a break. S4 finally just got reduced to $60. CSI seasons 1 and 9 were over $70 when they came out. Which in returned stopped any future seasons being released on BD.

            ST set prices are way better now. Then the DVD days. So your side is valid. But CBS has made the sets higher than usual before. Doctor Who is just plain dumb with their BD costs. Especially when they released the BD boxset of seasons 1-7 being overall cheaper. With a $100 remote control sonic screw driver included.

          • MJ

            Agreed. The fact that people see the $60 current price as “a bargain basement price” that they are kind of celebrating — that really says it all, doesn’t it? LOL

          • Tyrion

            Olson, so it’s just all about the hours of content, not about the level of production costs, level of acting, etc, that went into it?
            I can tell you that I personally would consider one episode of Game of Thrones as more valuable than most two-hour feature movies; additionally, any season of Game of Thrones is more valuable to me that the anemic first two seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation combined.

          • Justin Olson

            I never said my decision to buy a show is all about the hours of content I’m getting. Notice I placed that third after how much I liked the show and how often I’d likely be watching it. Further, I am a huge GOT fan and to reiterate, I have no issues with a $30 price tag for 10 episodes of that show, even though that is somewhat more expensive per episode than TNG.

          • MJ

            “Any season of Game of Thrones is more valuable to me that
            the anemic first two seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation combined.”

            Well said, guy/gal. It’s primarily about the quality of product of “a season” of a show being offered to consumers versus how many episodes the the package contains.

          • Data

            You always say it depends on what the market will bear. But I think its subjective as well. It depends on YOURSELF if you FIND the price too high for something.

          • Justin Olson

            Didn’t see your edit before I replied (though it hardly changes anything). You’re comparing the full production costs of GOT (pre/pro/post) to TNG which is only going through post production again. Also the price per episode is ABSOLUTELY meaningful! How much content and product are you getting for your dollar? Meaningless? Please. That is a baseless assertion designed to mindlessly dismiss my point. It is intellectually dishonest.

          • Data

            2:30 $ vs. 1 million $ production costs PER EPISODE (is this right?). Please just tell us if 2:30 $ is a price too high for one episode

          • Data

            When you are so lucky and you have created the most successful science fiction show ever, you have earned the right to set a high price for it. I don’t find the price too high.

          • MJ

            “When you are so lucky and you have created the most successful science fiction show ever, you have earned the right to set a high price for it.”

            EXACTLY — THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET ACROSS HERE TO EVERYONE.

            They can charge that high price, because many fans have shown, time and time again, with different media releases of Trek, that THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY THE HIGH PRICE!!!

            You broke the code, dude — thanks!!!

          • Data

            Actually I wanted to say the price is pretty much ok for me, even if some people find it’s too high. It’s high MAYBE, but not TOO high, BECAUSE it’s an incomparable show I get for that money! The great feelings I have by watching this show are unplayable actually, so I don’t care about this price, it don’t hurts me – the opposite is the case, it’s lighting up and riches up my life!

        • vincanss

          It’s offensive because you completely ignored his point as to them being cheaper than either the VHS or DVD iterations, and taking into account how much time and money has gone into the releases for their HD remastering… some people will never be happy of course. You also seem to be oblivious to the concept that the sets actually reduce in price after a period of time anyway, so you could just wait a year before buying anything if it hurts your wallet so bad.

          • MJ

            See my other post below please. All this pricing, and also including historical pricing of VHS incarnations, etc is BASED ON WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR…it’s not based on our well meaning fan debates here about how much we all appreciate the work that the Okudas and others put into this.

            The suits at CBS, and at Paramount in the past — they know that a sizable portion of Trek fans will pay these very high prices during initial release. That is the reason that we have this high price point. It’s Marketing 101.

            If more of us fans simply did not show, that historically, we are willing to pay these high prices for initial Trek new media releases, then the initial price would be lower. The suits know that — that is why the initial price is what it is.

            Many of us are willing to pay the high price no matter what, and while it’s comforting to suggest that we are rewarding the production team for their great remastering job here by overpaying, THAT IS NOT THE REASON THE PRICE POINT IS SO HIGH.

          • Snap

            Let’s just use some basic facts between the original DVD release in 2002 and the new Blu-ray sets, using the highest price points for the products.

            In 2002, the DVD sets had a cost of $139.99, while in 2012 the first Blu-ray set had a price tag of $129.99. There’s not a whole lot of difference, is there? Actually, there is. Adjusted for inflation, the DVD initial price is equivalent to $185.47 AND they were in murky standard def which had decent picture quality, at best.

            Naturally, most retailers (with the exception of the massively overpriced retailers) don’t sell the sets for the maximum value and they tend to go down in price over time, the only thing you will be missing by waiting would be the slipcover, if you even care about something like that.

            Of course CBS wants to make a profit, they’re not rebuilding Star Trek as an act of charity and, on at least one level, it is perfectly reasonable for CBS to gauge the market for DS9 on how the TNG sets sell. You see, DS9 will require at least the same level of rebuilding as TNG with the added investment of re-rendering the CGI assets into high definition. While you may find the initial retail prices outrageous, it’s the sales in that period which give these companies an idea whether the product will sell and that DEFINITELY has an impact on future products.

            Let’s take a look, for a moment, at a contemporary counterpart: Doctor Who. The Complete Seventh Series has a price tag of $89.98 and that’s for 13 episodes and a special, not to mention it’s also a repackaging of two half season releases each retailing for $29,98. Hmmm… $59.96 for two half seasons, compared to $89.98 for the whole thing in one chunk, yet the TNG sets are overpriced?

            The simple fact is it has NEVER been cheaper to buy Star Trek than it is today but there will always be the group who will complain about the product being overpriced and how they won’t buy anything unless its $10 a season.

          • mjdavid

            Not to mention I don’t think anyone has actually paid $129 for the new Blu-Ray sets. Amazon has consistently discounted them to around $60 per season. That’s pretty reasonable considering all the remastering and VAM.

          • Snap

            I agree. Even at the highest price I’ve paid for the sets, they haven’t been anywhere near the suggested retail price and the quality just really beats the snot out of the DVDs. With the VAM not only including the newly produced material specifically for these releases, but also all of the old bonus material, they’re giving the consumer the most for their money. In Canada, at least, it’s even possible to find them in physical retail stores at a cheaper price than what Amazon charges (which is roughly CAN $90 on Amazon.ca).

            When people bring up shows like Game of Thrones and other contemporary shows as evidence that the sets cost too much, what they don’t factor into the equations is those shows do not require an entirely new post-production for high def masters or a general remastering of decades old footage.

            In any event, the Blu-rays have been significantly cheaper out of the gate than the original DVDs ever were and have been well worth the money, in my opinion.

          • MJ

            That’s simply not true. Several of the seasons were initially priced by Amazon at the $80 level. But let’s say all seven seasons are priced at $60 — that means it would cost $420 for the entire series….ARE YOU FRACKING KIDDING ME!

            I purchased the entire 10 seasons of Stargate on DVD last year for about $70 on sale…l’d love to see Justin’s per episode calculus on the value of that buy…LOL

          • CoolGeek

            Hear Hear MJ.

            You are right.Trek on home media being massivelu overpriced is nothing new.There are many top quality shows on blu ray which are much cheaper to buy compared to these current TNG sets.On uk amazon the season 6 blu ray set is at a whopping 60 pounds! And dont even get me started on the debacle that was Enterprise on blu ray.I refused to buy it not because i do not like the show but because they did not restore it properly and still charged an extremly high price.

            And the truth is that paramount will continue to overprice these sets becasue they know there are many many trekkies who will buy these things no matter what the price.It is in fact these kind of fans who have more money than sense that are going to keep the costs of these so high.

            And really, those who keep saying that they are only buying them so that they will do DS9 on blu are really out of touch with reality and another reason why paramount will continue to fleece the fans.

          • MJ

            Thanks. I feel bad for the people here who disagree with us, because they are — probably even subconsciously — trying to self-justify their over-payment for these releases.

          • Justin Olson

            I can assure you that the TNG Blu-rays are NOT selling 200,000 sets of each season. Those are THE WALKING DEAD numbers. TNG is far, far, lower… like an order of magnitude lower, unfortunately.

          • Tyrion

            Olson, did you not realize that Season 1 of TNG on Blu-Ray sold nearly 100,000 sets in just the first five days of its release?

          • Justin Olson

            Yes, I’m aware that’s how it was reported (95,435). But look at the other seasons we have release week numbers for:

            Season 3: 15,921 units
            Season 4: 10,441 units

            There’s no data for Seasons 2 or 5 because they didn’t place in the top 20. Season 6 did however (at #17) and we should be seeing what that sold in a few weeks. I think we can safely predict it did not sell 200,000 units. Or even 95,435 units. Maybe in five years time, each season will slowly creep toward as many units sold worldwide as were reported for Season 1. But it still won’t be anywhere near what a series like THE WALKING DEAD is doing. I’m as bummed about that reality as anyone.

          • MJ

            AGAIN,

            THOSE ARE JUST THE UNITED STATES SALES FIGURES ONLY.

            I’ve heard it mentioned that, on average, the seasons of TNG Blu-Rays in German only have topped 30,000.

            We’ve got Canada, UK, Japan, Aus/NZ, France, China, etc. etc. etc. to account for.

          • MJ

            Exactly. If it sold 100,000 in the first five days, then obviously it would have topped 200,000 in the first year, if not the first 90 days. The “release date”f for the remaining seasons was not nearly the event that the first season was, but I certainly believe that if the studio were ever to share the actual total number of units sold internationally so far, it would average over 100K per season. And you can bet that once the entire series is sold as a combined unit for a reasonable price in 2016, that they will sell at least another 50,000 of those. So. my conservative estimate is that by late 2016, when the full package has had time to sell for a number of months, the total season units sold will be at least 1 million.

            CBS of course will not release the actual figures of units sold. That is very suspicious when you think about it. Perhaps Justin can provide the total number of units sold internationally to date for each season — that would go a long way for him to show us that he has some real data to backup his contrary point?

          • Justin Olson

            We can be fairly confident that TNG S1 didn’t top 200,000 units sold in the U.S. in its first year because it never placed in the top 100 best selling domestic Blu-rays list for 2012 or 2013. Coming in at #100 for 2012 was “True Blood: The Complete Fourth Season” and that sold 209,576 units. In 2013, #100 was “The Walking Dead: The Complete Third Season” — and that sold 198,266 units. So far in 2014, #100 is a foreign film titled “No Se Aceptan Devoluciones” and it has sold 58,744 units.

            Unfortunately, out of the 300 Blu-ray titles on these lists, nowhere can you find “Star Trek: The Next Generation.” In fact there are only nine TV show releases, and they are all modern shows that are currently in production.

            Finally, there is no international data available that I’m aware of.

          • MJ

            THOSE ARE JUST THE UNITED STATES SALES FIGURES ONLY.

            I’ve heard it mentioned that, on average, the seasons of TNG Blu-Rays in German only have topped 30,000.

            We’ve got Canada, UK, Japan, Aus/NZ, France, China, etc. etc. etc. to account for.

        • CoolGeek

          Could not agree more MJ.

        • Data

          Does anyone knows how much money they put in one season for remastering?

          • http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/ adamwhitehead

            The rumour was $9 million for the first season, which may have come down in later seasons as they got better at it.

    • MJ

      Just wait like I am doing. 2 years from now you will be able to get the entire run on sale for $129 or so. TOS Complete Series Blu-Ray set has been prices as low as $60.

      • http://www.trekcore.com/ TrekCoreStaff

        It’s also been five years since the TOS sets were released. It will be a very, very long time until you see the TNG sets at the $20/each price point you are waiting for.

        • MJ

          Well I did buy mine about 2 years ago for $80. So, it was a three year wait for that price. But yes, it took 5 years to get to $60.

          I don’t think it will be more than a two-year wait, following the Season 7 release, before you will start seeing sales of TNG Complete series blu-ray for approximately $150. That’s my opinion/prediction.

          • mjdavid

            TOS ran for 3 seasons, TNG seven … TNG Blu was completely rescanned .. over two-dozen new documentaries and countless deleted scenes, gag reels, and commentaries. Why do you think TNG Blu SHOULD be priced as low as TOS Blu? The work that went into this project has been phenomenal. This is not like going to buy the latest season of ‘Grey’s Anatomy,’ which I love by the way, this restoration project has been a huge labor of love.

          • SpaceCadet

            Maybe MJ thinks these blu-ray sets should sell for $10 apiece before he stops complaining. I’m quite content on paying a quite affordable in my opinion, $60 on the day of release so I can instantaneously enjoy all of the bonus features plus the beautifully restored HD episodes that took pain-stakingly dedicated and time-consuming effort to complete. Screw waiting 3-5 years for prices to come down. I could be hit by a bus and die tomorrow! Why deprive oneself of one of life’s simpler pleasures? I swear, some people have nothing better to do than bitch about nothing!!!

          • MJ

            Go for it!

          • MJ

            TOS is iconic, and is a major media historical show. Of course it’s always going to sell better, and be higher in price initially than TNG…as it should be. It’s like comparing the Statue of Liberty to the Liberty Bell. Both have their place as key symbols of America, but the Statue of Liberty is in a whole different class.

      • mjdavid

        Massively overpriced? What exactly are you looking for? These sets debut for around $59 on release week … that’s cheap. You’re not just getting TNG in Blu-Ray with a ton of new extras … you’re misunderstanding what it actually takes to rescan all the camera negatives and in some cases redo entire shots. Did you actually watch the first new documentary from the TNG HD S1 set? That documentary very painstakingly talks about the process of reproducing TNG in HD. Even at the sale price of about $59 per set you’re getting a steal.

        TOS only ran for three seasons, not seven.

        • MJ

          Oh, I completely understand all the great work and the costs that went into this — have seen probably every video clip and article on the effort, and I commend the great work on this. That’s not at all what I am talking about though. I refer you to my discussion with Justin below.

    • Allen Williams

      I said in 2011 id pay $200 a season if it would help get it out. I found the prices quite reasonable considering the quality and detail going into them.

      • Frost

        I picked up Season 3 for £28 and Season 4 for £36 from Amazon. Season 3 was a steal, I would’ve happily paid more. I think the effort put into these blu-rays warrants the price. You’re getting outstanding entertainment which looks like it was made yesterday, with bonus features from the DVD and new VAM as well.

        Can’t wait to get Season 5. Just waiting for my next paycheck. :P

        • Allen Williams

          I got them all at launch and I would consider all 6 seasons a bargain. I’m going on on a limb to say that season 7 will be worth it as well.

  • pittrek

    Thanks for the report

  • archer9234

    I really get puzzled by the whole “time for one commentary” stuff that’s been going on for all these releases. Why aren’t they just recorded when said actor, producer, director etc. are available. Pick really important eps that would benefit for them. Or even have a special remastered team commentary track talk about how they did their work. Or why they changed this etc. Why do they have to be done during each season. Like why didn’t Ron Moore just record all his episodes commentary throughout 2 or 3 days.

    It’s like 8 hrs of stuff to watch. Pick one of your days off and pop them off. If I were needed for commentaries. I do as many as I could in one shot. Then they be already ready months in advanced. I just don’t get why i has to be done only when the HD episodes are ready. The crew that worked on Futurama did all the commentaries like this. And it paid off. Every episode has one.

    • kadajawi

      Oh yes. One episode with a commentary track on how they pulled it off would be great.
      Anyway, maybe they want something a bit more professional than 2 guys munching on their lunch while trying to come up with something to say (being unprepared)?

      • archer9234

        Majority commentaries are unprepared.