After yesterday’s whirlwind release of the first STAR TREK BEYOND trailer, director Justin Lin took time to speak with several media reports in a roundtable interview covering everything from fan reaction to the new preview,  the lack of Carol Marcus, and the first real insight into Idris Elba‘s ferocious new alien character.

We saw plenty of vocal fans reacting strongly to yesterday’s trailer, from the music to the showcase sequences, and not all were positive (as we’re sure you guessed even before reading comments on social media or around the web!), and Lin tackled that head on.

There were versions that were much more traditional…

But with trailers you’re putting a two-hour movie into a minute and a half, and the one thing I wanted to make sure is that it hopefully represents that we are trying to be bold and take risks, whether we are successful or not, I don’t know. […] I’m not afraid to share it, I feel like we have the goods in a two-hour run and you really do get to know the characters and hopefully the journey is great.

[The Beastie Boys song “Sabotage” is] in the DNA of this canon. It was in the ’09 Trek, and we went through different iterations of the teaser and I wanted to make sure whatever here is using all the elements from the film.

It’s been a part of this Kirk’s journey and so I felt it was very organic, and it will ultimately be in the finished film.

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And even though he’s the director, even Lin can’t always win out when it comes to marketing — and when it came to the now-infamous motorcycle jump, he feels your pain:

When I saw the teaser, I’m like, aw shit. You really have to put the motorcycle in there? So [for ‘Fast and Furious’ comments], I get it, I get it, I get it.

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Be prepared for a more in-depth 3D experience this time around, as well — Lin’s built the 3D presentation into his filmmaking process.

I felt like, especially with space and the depth, I think you get a different experience going 3D, so it’s definitely been kind of designed into it, and I feel like in the nature in how some of these shots are constructed, I would want to see it in 3D, you know?

But it will definitely be a bit of a different experience in watching this movie 2D. So that was definitely taken into account. I don’t think I would have agreed to 3D if it was just, again, to like milk people for more money. I just don’t think that’s right.

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Moving on to the content of BEYOND itself, Lin also addressed questions about some of the lingering criticisms from Star Trek Into Darknesslike the “magic blood” cure-all and Section 31’s intergalactic transport, capable of jumping Khan from Earth to the Klingon homeworld.

I don’t know if we’re leaving it behind. And Simon [Pegg] and Doug [Jung] and I definitely have had some, spent some time on that. But at the same time I feel like this, Star Trek’s been around 50 years. And I’m excited to be a part of it, but I’m also excited to be a participant, but hopefully to see where it’s gonna go. And I think every filmmaker comes on has a different point of view.

[It] definitely now exists. I think the people that really care, you can’t ignore that. But at the same time, do we address that? I don’t discount it. Like, we don’t sit there and say it doesn’t exist. It’s part of this universe now.

Basically, it seems as if the BEYOND team decided that it was safer just to kind of leave those troublesome elements of the previous film alone, concentrating instead on building the best film they could. That’s probably for the best.

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As for Alice Eve’s Carol Marcus, or Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan? Don’t count on seeing them in this sequel.

We pick up about two and a half years after the end of ‘Into Darkness.’ […] What we shot and what’s gonna be in theaters, quantity wise it’s quite a bit. But then to be honest, I actually had even more beyond that. So that’s something that we definitely talked about and worked on, [but in ‘Beyond’ they] didn’t quite fit in.

And the Spock / Uhura romance? That may be on the back burner as well this time around.

What we’re doing is appropriate to the two and a half years. It’s a continuation in a way, and I don’t want to ignore things and act as if they don’t exist, so there’s an acknowledgement and I think their relationship is consistent to the way it was before.

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The visual effects work is far from complete, as is to be expected this far out from the release date. That shot of Kirk’s reflection looks like some kind of wax figure now, but don’t worry too much about it:

Six weeks ago I was in Dubai. So these shots usually take six, seven months just to do it. So, again, there are a lot of people in dark rooms around the clock and I’m in there and we’re talking and were building. Around the world everybody’s trying to get this.

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Action, action, action! From crashing saucers to close-up combat, the BEYOND trailer was packed with one fast-moving sequence after another — but according to Lin’s comments, it’s not just a mindless blur, but a parallel to today’s world.

Star Trek has a very 1960s sensibility – who has the bigger ships wins. But if you look at the [orbital] attack, these ships are 40 feet long but there are 40,000 of them. I think even in the way they’re being encountered…

I feel like when I do think about Star Trek, a lot of times it is about the size, it has a very different sensibility. But at the same time, I think it’s also, that’s also part of moving it and taking risks and saying there’s a lot of different ways people engage in the universe.

What would happen if you go on a five year journey and you’re trying to not only explore but also maybe introduce other people to your way of thinking?

What would that mean? What are the consequences of that? You’re spreading a philosophy that you think is great – are there going to be any philosophies that counter you? That was something I thought about since I was a kid, and we got to explore that.

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Oh, and just because you saw the former writing trio of Roberto Orci, JD Payne, and Patrick McKay credited at the end of the teaser, don’t worry — it’s all about the Writers’ Guild and their rules, as Lin clarified:

The [Writers’ Guild of America] has to figure it out, because I don’t know who [Payne and McKay] are, I never met them. I came on, I had an idea and then Simon and Doug came on. I had one conversation with Orci after I came on, and that was it.

Nothing was refurbished [from that first story] because I don’t know what was done before I came on.

We did attempt to get in touch with Payne and McKay when the director/writer changes were announced earlier this year — after their big, two-part interview with us from last summer — but the declined to comment. Seems they’re still connected to the feature, however tenuously.

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Jim Kirk’s character arc, from the 2009 film through STAR TREK BEYOND, is also a critical element in this new film’s throughline.

It’s a big part — if you think of how in this timeline how Kirk engaged and joined Starfleet, and then you’re going in on a five-year journey, you’re two-and-a-half years into it, I think some existential issues are gonna, it’s gonna very obviously gonna pop up.

I think, if I was in his shoes, I would have those and I think we do try to kind of answer, and I think that was one of the challenges. […] It is about why is Kirk doing what he’s doing. We assume, when we watch it on the TV show, that that’s just something he did, but I wanna know why, and are you going to continue? Are you going to…what’s the reason? Why do you do what you do?

Great, you can go out and talk about how great The Federation is and be a part…whatever. But why are you part of it?

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Finally, we finally learned something concrete about the alien warrior Krall — that’s Idris Elba, pictured in full makeup — after months of silence and speculation.

It’s about building him and having a philosophy and a point of view. I really like [Krall] because he’s challenging the Federation’s philosophy, and it’s something growing up I wanted to see. He’s a character that has a distinct philosophy. Sometimes I watch Trek and I see utopia in San Francisco, and you think “They don’t have money, so how do they live, how do they compete?” Those are things that his character, in a way, has a very distinct and valid point of view about.

When someone is really challenging a way of life, how the Federation should act, I can see – right or wrong – that this is a valid point of view, and that’s a point of entry.

I’ve worked with some really great people and Idris immerses himself and I really enjoyed working with him because he’s all about the character and what’s best about the character’s journey in the film. The only thing that sucked is it took four hours every time we needed to get him on set.

Despite comparisons to Remans (from Star Trek: Nemesis and Enterprise), Jem’Hadar (from Deep Space Nine), or any other Trek staples, Lin specified that Elba’s character is definitely a new alien creation for STAR TREK BEYOND.

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So there’s a lot to digest here: and from what we’re reading, Justin Lin —“the Star Trek kid” — seems to have a firm handle on what Trek is supposed to be, even while it’s being given a bit of an upgrade for today’s audiences.

Do you agree, or are we totally wrong? Sound off in the comments below!

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  • Loot Critter

    While I will be first in line to see the movie – I think the first commercial missed what it needed to be Star Trek. I think the idiots at Paramount wanted Guardians of the Galaxy, and high adventure.

    Justin Lin is a good director. I like Peggs writing. *fingers crossed*

    There is a heart to Star Trek that’s been missing from the new movies. But mind you, not all the Star Trek movies got that right either. First Contact, Wrath of Khan, and Undiscovered Country had a soul. The others – meh. For that reason, I await Beyond with baited breath.

    • Jack Aubrey

      bated (reduced, lowered) breath

  • October_1985

    I must say that I like what Lin says and somewhat reassures me. There seems to be a very Trek-ish theme at the core of the movie and an interesting one. I’m kind of bummed at the notion of having Elba cast as the baddie only to have him in a full prosthetic, it happened the same with Ron Perlman in Nemesis, they could have cast anyone for that. Well, we will see

    • Darth Trulane

      Is one of those themes utterly destroying the Enterprise (for almost the second time in as many films) and then dropping in a 20th century era motorcycle on an alien planet? Absurd… Search your feelings…. you know it to be true.

      • October_1985

        I was talking about the “What would happen if you go on a five year journey and you’re trying to not only explore but also maybe introduce other people to your way of thinking? What would that mean? What are the consequences of that? You’re spreading a philosophy that you think is great – are there going to be any philosophies that counter you? That was something I thought about since I was a kid, and we got to explore that.” part.
        Destroying the Enterprise is a storytelling device, its been done before, if it has a purpose and make sense in the plot, I don’t have a problem with it.

  • bbock

    The fact that he says that in classic Trek the bigger ship wins shows that he didn’t understand it. There are several cases where the smaller ship was stronger. The Tholians, for example. He should stick to chase films.

    • OphidianJaguar

      You misunderstand. As he was speaking about the 60’s, it was the U.S. against the Soviet Union. Whoever had the bigger ship won..he is quite correct on that.

      Hence why you have many of these small ships completely obliterating the very LARGE Enterprise. Small ships like the Tholians you mentioned. So no, the bigger ship does not win as we can clearly see in the trailer. Lin understands that.

      • bbock

        My point was that this was a point in the 1960s Trek. It’s not some grand idea he invented. He thinks he did. But I hope he is embarrassed about that trailer and I hope that it WAS designed for the Fast and Furious fans, but that the actual film he is making is more thoughtful. I am all in favor of action when it serves story. But in the previous movies the story was in service of action set pieces, which sucks. I will look forward to the next trailer.

        Though personally, I think at the end of this movie they need to drop a hug blob of Red Matter and destroy that whole time line. It is so damaged with red matter, magical blood that gives you immortality, transporters that negate the need for interstellar ships, etc. These elements kill story telling, I think because it takes it into an inhuman scale. They need to dial back to human size.

        They attempted in the second movie to crib off the human story of Spock sacrificing himself, but in the new movies, they did it with two characters who barely know each other, have very little history together, and don’t really like each other. Then they immediately gutted it with magic blood. If Limm can avoid that kind of stupid, inhuman story telling and manage to put some personality beyond the Beastie Boys crap into his characters, maybe he has a shot at a movie worth seeing.

        • Note, that the Beastie Boys song IS a part of the personality of one character. Just saying.

  • Helen_Girly_Brown

    Just as Roddenberry had to sneak the deeper meaning past NBC execs, it looks like Pegg and Lin have been able to sneak at least some deeper meaning past the Paramount suits. This is sounding more and more like a traditional Star Trek storyline, albeit with razzle dazzle ramped up.

    • Dusty Ayres

      Just as Roddenberry had to sneak the deeper meaning past NBC execs, it looks like Pegg and Lin have been able to sneak at least some deeper meaning past the Paramount suits.

      Bullshit, Roddenberry knew (at first, before the fame, adoration at conventions, and the drug abuse) that he was doing a TV show with a lot of action in it, unlike most fans, who see Star Trek as some kind of religion, moral way of life, and Second Coming of Jesus or something.

      • ShootExpert

        i HAVE TO ASK…HAVE YOU EVER … I MEAN EVER SEEN AN ORIGINAL EPISODE. IT HAD VERY LITTLE *ACTION* IN IT!!!

        • Sean

          It wasn’t about space battles and whiz bang effects but there was plenty of action.

          Once the movies came around, the producers had no problem combining the two. TUC is probably one of the best Mystery/Action/Sci-fi films ever made and it manages to build in a powerful message about the end of the Cold War.

          The morals were built in to lots of episodes, as well. Into Darkness–whether people want to admit it or not–had a very clear and very powerful message about revenge and aspiring to better angels.

        • Dusty Ayres

          Bullshit: action adventure was part of the prospectus for Star Trek when Roddenberry wrote it back in 1964/5. As these movies are based on The Original Series, they follow it to a T. The fact that people like you don’t get that only shows how much you’ve come to believe Roddenberry’s self-serving bullshit over decades. This franchise isn’t 2001, it’s Buck Rogers, but a bit smarter.Time to face the facts and stop being so full of it.

        • arcadehero

          You have to be joking right? The original pilot The Cage was canned specifically due to the lack of action and the slow pacing. That setup the rest of the series to be more action oriented like most Westerners were at the time. But keep telling yourself that Star Trek had little action in it – just don’t watch all of the Star Trek 1-12 movie trailers in a row. You might be shocked to find out that only TMP had a slow, boring trailer to reflect the movie. I’m getting the feeling from some of the whiners that they want TMP all over again and that will somehow ‘save’ Trek. Extra shock for you: Star Trek insurrection had a TV spot promoting it as “THE #1 ACTION MOVIE IN AMERICA!”.

        • Marshall Nabors

          As a viewer of the ORIGINAL RUNS of The Only Trek worth watching, 60’s action is quite a bit different than 2015 action. Original trek had a low budget and fx tech was still learning to walk. There was planty of action to watch back then cuz we weren’t a bunch of adrenaline-junkies like kids today are.

  • That’s a very reassuring interview! It sounds to me as if Lin is really thinking and really caring, and he wants Star Trek to be thoughtful in addition to being action packed. And it sounds like he wasn’t wild about the trailer, either. 🙂

  • OphidianJaguar

    First off Ill say I love all Star Trek, from TOS to these new movies to indie project like Axanar. I only wish these movies were made for fans the way Star Wars The Force Awakens was made for fans. We know George Lucas did not agree with the direction The Force Awakens went, he specifically said it was made for fans and he would have done things differently. The new Star Trek movies are the opposite. They are meant for non fans or to bring in new fans who might have otherwise not had an interest in Star Trek. I love these new movies, but not the way I love Star Trek from 1966-2002….they could have been so much more, but Paramount wants “less Star Trek-y” movies. Its a shame. But with that being said…

    I agree with him on the music. As I said in other comments in other TrekCore Beyond articles…Picard and Worf sang a song from HMS Pinafore which is real and so is the song Sabotage. HMS Pinafore may be more cultured than Beastie Boys…its no more or less relevant when tying in Star Trek to us and not a galaxy far far away. The song was in 2009, Kirk listened to a Beastie Boys song during his menage a trois in Into Darkness…so it makes sense to use it again.

    “What would happen if you go on a five year journey and you’re trying to not only explore but also maybe introduce other people to your way of thinking? What would that mean? What are the consequences of that? You’re spreading a philosophy that you think is great – are there going to be any philosophies that counter you? That was something I thought about since I was a kid, and we got to explore that.”

    That above quote is one of the many aspects of Star Trek, and Lin gets it!

    “It is about why is Kirk doing what he’s doing. We assume, when we watch it on the TV show, that that’s just something he did, but I wanna know why, and are you going to continue? Are you going to…what’s the reason? Why do you do what you do? Great, you can go out and talk about how great The Federation is and be a part…whatever. But why are you part of it?” Another fantastic comment by Lin…again, he gets it.

    Bottom line…TrekCore..I agree with you…Lin has a handle on what Star Trek is supposed to be..more so than Kurtzman or Lindelof ever did…but do not forget he is under the thumb of Paramount executives.

    I only wish we could hear something from Roberto Orci…ever since he flipped out at fans and was taken off this movie, the guy has been MIA. I also find it surprising that Kurtzman and not Orci is producing the new Star Trek TV series.

  • Thomas Elkins

    It’s a shame Carol Marcus isn’t going to be in it but it’s ok if she’s not. Perhaps they can bring her back for a future film? I also think they should bring Khan back someday. I know people complained about how Into Darkness was handled, but the fact that he lived and is in Starfleet custody at the end of that film, it means he can come back and be used in a more original way.

    It’s nice to see new alien species added to Trek Lore as well, but I do find it a little disappointing that they don’t give us more classic aliens. Like, if we meet a new alien race on this mystery planet, that’s perfectly acceptable. However the Enterprise is a Federation Starship and you would think that some of her crew would be Andorian or Tellarite. Bringing in new aliens is cool, but please don’t forget the classics.

  • Darth Trulane

    Sorry, you can’t make an excuse that it’s only a minute and a half and then show the Enterprise being utterly destroyed… almost for the second time in as many films. Back during Star Trek III The Search For Spock, it was an emotional moment in the movie when they had to sacrifice the Enterprise. In this movie, the Enterprise has about as much sentimental value as a brand new Toyota Prius does to a redneck.

    • Yes, they’ve never shown the Enterprise getting destroyed in other trailers.

      • Darth Trulane

        Yes… and when the Enterprise was destroyed in STIII, the crew (and the fans) were emotionally impacted. Before that movie, destroying the Enterprise would have been seen as a bold move. We were supposed to feel good when watching the last movie when the Enterprise miraculously survives. Now, it’s like “let’s blow that $hIt up again for realz this time” Dumb… Just my opinion. Don’t like it. I’ll still wait and see what the movie is actually about.

        • No, it’s not like that in my opinion. It’s more like “Let’s put the crew in a really impossible situation out of their comfort zone and watch them how are they dealing with it.”

          • archer923

            They already did a lot of that, in the past two films. It’s nothing new anymore.

          • Soooo… if they are creating an atmospher similar to the original is a problem? I’m really confused right now.

          • archer923

            It is. When you reuse plots right into the next film. It’s the same problem the older films had. Were Earth was in jeopardy, a lot of times. They always thought. Well, the show never went to Earth. So we can always use this, to make it feel bigger. The same thing is happening here. The ship has to be blowing up, again. To make the movie a “bigger” deal.

          • You’re argument stands for almost everything, nothing really original that way. Also, putting a team in hard situation isn’t like rebooting Kahn. Do you like TNG? Or Stargate? They all copying TOS plot ideas. I still enjoyed them really much.

          • archer923

            Yeah, I do. But the frequency of copying is what is failing it, right now. I certainly didn’t like the Enterprise episodes, that ripped off Voyager episodes. That is why I hate a ton off episodes. And why I think Stargate Universe is such garbage.

          • Yeah, I tried to rewatch it, but then I gave up during the second season and skipped to TOS. But not because of the ripp offs, that series ultimately sucks, it was boring as hell. There were good ideas in season 4, but it was too late. Also the crew wasn’t as relatable as in TOS or TNG, and T’Pol is the crappiest vulcan ever. And many, many problems.

            In a big frenchise like this, if you bring some completely new idea or point of view in, for many it would be also a problem, because “it’s not feels like Star Trek”. And if the filmmakers trying to make it feel like Star Trek, then you say, that’s a problem. Problem is, when you reuse complete stories and only add some speciel effect to it. Using a common storytelling form is not a mistake, if they’ll use it well.

            We won’t convince each other, because we judge differently the same thing, and that’s okey. I only wish that at the end of the day, we’ll get a good movie. Which also very subjective. 😀

  • zze130

    I have read Lin’s past interviews and it sounds like he know what he is doing with the Star Trek Franchise. With him being a TOS fan, I feel a lot more confident with him directing Star Trek than JJ who is a Star Wars geek. From this interview, it sounds like he is getting back to the root. Granted the trailer had too much action but you need that kind of trailer to lure new viewers to the franchise.

  • Greenspan

    Once this movie is out I pray that it will be the end of the J.J. trilogy. I rather have no trek movies than these.

    • Simon

      How about leaving TREK to those who appreciate the new films and stop trying to ruin them for the rest of us with your relentless negativity? “Fans” like you are what killed STAR TREK to begin with. Judging an entire film by 90 seconds of out of context material.

      • DTJ

        “More like judging the trilogy by two crap entries and a trailer for a lower budget shot in Canada crapfest. More than enough evidence to declare this junk.” You’re not winning here…

      • archer923

        So the faults that ENT had. Because of the people in charge, shouldn’t be counted? It’s OUR fault they cancelled the series? Yeah, be angry that a lot of people bitch and moan about the new movies. Not everyone is gonna like them. But, you just did the same thing with that comment.

        • Simon

          There’s a big difference between commenting on negativity and constantly being negative, with a whole heap of double standards. In 2003-2004 ENTERPRISE was dying on the vine and a majority of those who call themselves the “true” STAR TREK fans either ignored the series or campaigned for a “Sulu” show. Meanwhile ENT was serving up some of the best TREK in years, with the formation of the Federation and other compelling stories. Both TNG and DS9 took a few seasons to find their voice, but fans didn’t give ENTERPRISE the same chance. They just sat there and chanted “we hate Berman & Braga!” instead.

          • archer923

            Can you really say we hated B&B just because they exist? Or for actual reasons: ENT was basically ripping off TNG & VGR, with new paint. The problem originates at the producers/network heads level of decisions. Before it gets to us.

            They always kept saying in interviews. “We wanted the show to be about the people.” Sure. But that is all the Star Trek shows do. That’s not an answer. Why did you copy TNG’s tone, and VGR’s scripts? When this is really suppose to be TOS style.

          • Simon

            See, you didn’t watch ENTERPRISE, otherwise you’d know with Season 3 and Season 4 they did not ape what TNG or VOY had done.
            Season 4 was exactly as you describe it should be.

          • archer923

            I own all 4 seasons. I’m just going to talk about seasons 1 and 2. The ratings damage was caused by those two seasons. Season 3 still had Voyagers tone.

            S3 also had copied the episode “One”, with 7 of 9. Except Phlox was used. S4 was the only one that was TOS tone. But,who cares at that point. 9 million people never came back. They only got it: when the networks stopped giving a shit. And B&B gave it to someone else.

          • Christopher Applegate

            You know what killed Enterprise? One thing, and it started the very second it first aired. It was that ear blistering piece of steaming dung they called a theme song. I just about put my foot through my screen to make it stop the first time I heard it.

  • Great, but keep in mind, the roads to many terrible films have been paved with good intentions. If Lin said all the wrong things and pissed everyone off yet made a great Trek film, I’d be happy. Nicholas Meyer was not a Star Trek fan, yet he directed Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country. Hopefully Lin’s fandom leads to a great Trek film.

  • Mrplatitude

    The more I hear from Lin about the movie the more excited I am for his take on it.

  • Csere Mihaly

    Reading the comments I must ask a few questions:
    1: Since the first JJ Trek in 2009 there is an international ban on classic Trek and Trek fans are forced to watch just nu-Trek?
    2: Comparing Trek to the Martian: that is like comparing Titanic to Saving Private Ryan. Titanic is a hugely successful movie and proves that you can do it without thanks or battles … So are there planes, tanks and battles in Saving Private Ryan? Star Trek is very different to the Martian, any incarnation of Star Trek, just because they both are set in space does not equals that we can compare them.
    3: Yes, the music sounds odd and the trailer is full with action, but we must understand that Paramount is trying to bring Star Trek to a much larger audience. If they do a Star Trek movie just for the core audience, half of the core audience will not watch the movie because it ain’t the Star Trek they grow up with, and the other half will make a box office result of 30 million or 40 million USD … There is a demand for fun in movies (and Star Trek always had jokes/comedy so I don’t get the anti-comedy rage …) and there is a demand for visual action. If you don’t like it don’t watch it and let at least the rest of the community to have fun with the new movies, do not demand to be canceled. I’m happy that after 50 years there is still Star Trek in works and is not a forgotten series like 99.998% of the series that were 50 years ago … And no, there is no ban on the pre JJ Trek so you can go and watch your DVDs, blu-rays or on demand the old series. Any of them
    As for me, I feel like Lin and Pegg could make this work, but I will reserve my judgment until I see the movie. So many bad trailers came out for good movies lately that I don’t read too much from it. The only purpose of this trailer is to show that this is a Star Trek movie with a new tone, it has action, it has comedy and everybody is welcomed to see it. Nothing more.

    • 1. That’s what I can’t understand either. My dvd player was still able to play my TOS discs, even though I like nuTrek. 😛
      2. I saw this arguing with Martian, Gravity and Inception. Regardless they are completly different from Trek, other difference is that those stories were written first, because someone had a good idea and not because a studio wanted to do a sci-fi movie under the wings of a franchise. This clearly gives a plus to them, but just imagine us watch Kirk for two hours in a monodrama. In every ST series there is one part, when one or two crew members are isolated from the others for the whole episode. Those are the most boring, filling episodes in Trek.
      3. That’s what I keep repeating, it’s for the general audience, who wanna be excited, when they go watch SW7. And also, totally agree with you on Trek being fun and adventurous. I have a new idea about it, which came up to my mind while rewatching TOS. There are lots of gags there, but it’s mostly sarcasm and irony. Maybe those who are trashing the new movies because being funny, probably didn’t get that kind of humour at the first place. But scratch that, I was just being mean.

      • archer923

        The problem is the trailer failed people. They cut in probably most of the comedy jokes, into the trailer. One after another. Just like how trailers can trick you into thinking a movie is one way.

        But in reality, it’s another. They did that here. By seeing it filled with funny bits. Everyone will think it’s filled with gags every second. And start doubting Pegg’s writing.

        That’s why Lin didn’t like the bike being in the trailer. Now he will be insulted for him sticking in Fast & Furious stuff in Star Trek. If this movie fails. Fans will ridicule him over it, forever.

        • It’s not like this would be the only trailer for this movie, you know. And yes, it’s probably a trick to getting the attention. That’s how marketing works. I think every one of us would be satisfied, if this will be the only flaw(?) about movie. And there is only one way to say anything about Pegg’s writing: watching the movie.

          • archer923

            Yeah. Getting the attention. You can easily ruin a film, with the trailers. Superman 3 is the grand example of a trailer screwing up.

            From the trailer. I’m gonna say: it’s gonna feel like a combination of Star Trek Voyager’s Basic two parter. The Swarm episode. And, the Orion Syndicate. The ship was ambushed, destroyed. Most of the crew is now slaves. Stuck on a planet.

            Elba’s character is the leader/main security guy. Kirk and a few others beam off and take another ship to rescue them. The alien woman, is probably gonna be some gifted “one”. Or the fighter that doesn’t give up. Thinks Kirk and co are some bad guys, at first. He turns her etc. It’s fairly predictable from what I got from the trailer.

  • I’m being more and more sure that the leak was intentional or at least came handy. In two days everybody will talk about SW, and it was perfectly dropped into the vacuum.
    And it’s nice to see, that even if the studio is targeting general audience with this action-full trailer – which I don’t mind -, Lin gave us what we wanted to see verbally.

  • The Fox

    This is gonna SUCK

    So much for Orci being a producer

    • robjoh

      Jake!! You’re back!! So you seen the movie already? Give us some fun spoilers then. lol

      • The Fox

        I’m not Jake.

        • robjoh

          Of course not Jake,of course not. lol

          • The Fox

            whatever dude, im sick of this shit.

          • robjoh

            I would be too.

          • The Fox

            its every single second person becuase of that retard program (wayne alford)

          • robjoh

            Well,the writing style kinda gave it away too,lol. You can tell a lot about a person in the way they write.

          • The Fox

            a lot of people think the same way dude. My name is Thomas and I am chef.

          • robjoh

            Anyone can say their name is such and such,so I doubt you’re convincing anyone here,lol. Good luck trying though.

          • The Fox

            whatever dude.

          • robjoh

            Exactly.

  • DTJ

    Nope.

  • CoolGeek

    I like Fast and Furious as much as Trek and really like Lin.The guy obviously knows how to create big blockbuster entertainment and he sounds like hes passionate about Trek as well.I think the movie is in good hands.

    Of course it doesnt matter what he does because the Nutrek haters will still complain but haters are always going to hate!

  • robjoh

    You know you’re sounding like a bigger moron right now,right? lol

  • James

    Please clarify – what statement makes him sound like a moron?

  • Zarm

    Still disagree about the Beastie Boys (though he’s right, it’s a problem that dates back to the ’09 film, he just inherited it), but… man, he’s saying all the right things. A lot more optimistic after reading this interview than I was after watching the trailer.

  • TruthandConsequences

    For those who say this demonstrated Lin has a grasp on Trek, this quote bothers me as it reflects a total lack of understanding of the Prime Directive.

    “What would happen if you go on a five year journey and you’re trying to not only explore but also maybe introduce other people to your way of thinking? What would that mean? What are the consequences of that? You’re spreading a philosophy that you think is great – are there going to be any philosophies that counter you? That was something I thought about since I was a kid, and we got to explore that.”

    Under the Prime Directive it’s not our business to introduce our way of thinking or spread our “philosophy.” During the original series, when Kirk felt a need to upend a civilization it was only after some consideration (usually with McCoy speaking for his conscience) about why the Prime Directive had to be violated — even if it seems that happened a lot. And usually it wasn’t about imposing “our way,” it was about course-correcting a society that had malfunctioned so there was no longer “natural development.”

    • James

      “Under the Prime Directive it’s not our business to introduce our way of thinking or spread our “philosophy.” ”

      In a Taste of Armageddon, Kirk does just that. In fact, throughout most of TOS, he saunters around space ‘correcting’ things. By contrast, Picard is much more focused on strictly adhering to the PD.

      “It was about course-correcting a society that had malfunctioned so there was no longer “natural development.””

      That’s a fine line to walk. Who is to determine that the society has malfunctioned? Spock was critical in the episode ‘The Apple’ of Kirks decision to interfere. In the Paradise Syndrome, the society hadn’t malfunctioned at all, yet the Enterprise saves the day through interference (they were going to die of natural causes). A direct parallel is ‘Homeward’ in TNG, where Picard would let a civilisation die of natural causes rather than save them by using the holodeck.

  • madmadia85

    well, I sure hope they didn’t break S/U up.. what wouldn’t be consistent with their relationship the way it was developed, not to mention Spock’s culture. It’s overkill. If you can keep all the dudebros friendships from the first movies, it would suck big time if only the relationship for the black woman is the one sacrificed.
    But he sounds like he doesn’t ignore it and while it’s not front and center, it’s still here.
    For someone who claims he doesn’t want to ignore everything done in the first two movies, he gotta keep some things for continuity sake too and if they gratuitously break S/U up just because they don’t know how to handle it, well that’s essentially is getting rid of one of the most talked about and symbolic things in terms of the changes the reboot made.
    They are already writing out Carol and supposedly changing a lot of things.

    anyway, I have mixed feelings about Lin because he doesn’t seem to be very into this? I only see some tos nostalgia but not really any enthusiasm for the reboot on its own merits. I can care less about him liking tos, to be honest, if he doesn’t like the reboot and doesn’t get why people embraced it because, guess what?, he’s working on THIS trek not the other.

  • I’m looking forward to seeing the movie. I’m so excited. 🙂

  • BatesHotel

    Lin is saying some of the right things Trek-wise, but the trailer really was troubling from a Trek fan perspective wanting something intellectually satisfying. Yes, it’s only 90 seconds so we shall see what the whole movie is about later.
    I very much like that he’s essentially killing the Spock/Uhura romance, which never made any sense and made Spock into an emotional basket case character. Big thumbs up that Lin saw radical change for change’s sake was unnecessary and off-putting.
    Seeing Kirk with wraparound goggles on a motorcycle makes him look like the boy wonder Robin… he looks ridiculous and it’s a bad association.

    • madmadia85

      whoa you’re reading way too much on the S/U bit and having a case wishful thinking even MORE than Devin Faraci that, for all his bias about everything reboot related, at least he put a ‘maybe’ in his ‘interpretation’.
      like, dude, Lin totally didn’t say any of that. That quote could mean everything, from them breaking up to them being in a settled relationship at this point or even married. He pretty much says the relationship is still here because it’s a continuation and it’s consistent with the way they are developed in the first movies.. and last time I checked the first movies had them as lovers.
      The most realistic thing one might get from the comment is that the relationship is there but not front and center in this story.

  • Wise Guy

    I like his thoughts, change and understanding growth is important. I have watched ST since it first hit the tv 50 yrs ago, and the only thing that disappoints is the look of the current Enterprise i have no complaints. And yes not all the shows and movies are perfect…so what. I like them any way!!!

  • Matineer

    I get what Lin is trying to do, he makes blockbusters, but it amounts to following the herd — adding FX and action — making Trek like other movies. The original Trek changed the game by bringing adult characters and sensibility to a genre of shows like “Tom Corbett Space Kidette” and “Captain Video.” Now the property is going in reverse. That’s not all the fault of Bad Robot, there are very few intelligent, thoughtful characters left, even in science fiction. These aren’t films about professionals any more, it’s seat of the pants. So if you liked Captain Kirk’s tactical wizardry, or Spock’s contrarian, vegan, unemotional views, you can’t get that here. Don’t see this one halting the domestic box office slide of this series. Would like to have seen James Cameron’ s take on Star Trek.

    • M33

      Professionals! I agree with you completely on that. It’s what sets the series apart from the new movies. It’s not that the new guys are “young”–they are all roughly the same age as the actors were on the original series– its that they don’t feel mature. And I think a lot of this has to do with the mentality that the adults from the 60s conveyed, having come out of the second world war and dealing constantly with the threat of cold war nuclear annihilation which seriously affected the entire mindset of a nation about what really matters and what does not, whereas even though today’s adults experienced 9/11 and the “war on terror”, they were pretty much unaffected by these things and really have had to make little to no sacrifices to their way of life because of them (and our society’s drive to not hold anyone personally accountable for their own actions is another fuel to this fire). This is why, at least to me, the series characters seem like adults, and the new movie characters seem like they are pretending to be adults . . . sometimes. (Don’t get me wrong,; I like all the Star Treks, in all their forms.)

  • Paul Paz y Miño

    The BEST NEWS is if this film is finally the END of these pathetic non-Trek movies and the new series in 2017 can get back to the real thing – with NEW CHARACTERS (instead of perverting the classic ones). END THE #JARJARABRAMS ERA!

    • Snap

      I think as long as they make money, regardless of how any of us may feel about them, Paramount will continue to make more. I believe I read that both Pine and Quinto are under contract for at least one more movie, so we’ll have to wait and see what happens.

      My biggest critique from the trailer would have to be the uniform collars, particularly in the shot of Kirk. They just look off to me kinda like when TNG would use the Wrath of Khan maroon jackets without the turtlenecks or belts. It just didn’t look right. But, with that said, a little uniform nitpick is very minor and it’s the story which will make or break it.

    • Sean

      This kinda stuff really has to stop. You’re not going to be any happier with Trek 2017 if you’re not going to try to find the good in the bad.

  • Captain Jon

    I’m probably one of the few who liked the teaser but recognize the issues that most fans have with it. But man, Lin sure sounds like he’s trying to put a lot of depth into Beyond! As a lifelong fan he knows what Trek is about! I don’t see why both styles can be mixed together. I think it can be done!

  • Marshall Nabors

    when I saw the motorcycle, i immediately thot of Picard’s dunebuggy ride in “Nemesis”… and almost facepalmed… almost…

    Looking forward to seeing this.

  • Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan M

    Lin is going to kill the Star Trek franchise.
    The man has no idea what Star Trek is.

  • bdkennedy

    I was horrified at this trailer. My gut told me this was the end of the franchise – ironically on it’s 50th anniversary. There was no intelligence built into this trailer at all. This was a Fast and Furious trailer in outer space. I could almost feel myself getting stupider by watching it.

    So obviously there’s going to be a 2nd trailer in the coming months. I hope for Mr. Lin’s career, he can pull a magic fu**ing rabbit out of his @ss, or he’s going to be “the director that killed Star Trek”.