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Hot on the heels of the new STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN Director’s Cut Blu-ray and Next Generation Full Series Blu-ray box set, the two sides of Trek ownership – CBS and Paramount – have teamed up to put together an enormous, thirty-disc Blu-ray collection for the entire journey of Captain Kirk’s crew!

First announced back in March, this fiftieth-anniversary collection will include the first release of The Animated Series in high-definition, along with the entire run of the original Trek television series, and all six feature films.

The film entries will also include the new Khan Director’s Cut, along with two new hours of documentary features behind the production of those first six Star Trek films.

STAR TREK 50th Anniversary TV and Movie Collection

Debuting September 6, 2016, Limited Edition Box Set Boasts 30 Blu-ray Discs™

Every Movie and TV Show Featuring the Original Crew, Including the Newly Remastered Animated Series on Blu-ray™ for the First Time Ever!

Set Also Includes a Brand New, Multi-Part Documentary Chronicling
Star Trek’s Cinematic Voyages

HOLLYWOOD, Calif. – Embark on a mission to the final frontier with the biggest, most comprehensive Star Trek collection ever offered when the STAR TREK 50th ANNIVERSARY TV AND MOVIE COLLECTION is transported to Earth on September 6, 2016.

Just in time to commemorate the September 8, 1966 airing of the very first “Star Trek” episode, this epic limited edition gift set includes 30 Blu-ray Discs featuring all new disc art and every feature film and television show made with the original crew, plus a brand new, multi-part documentary with nearly 2 hours of new footage chronicling the franchise’s amazing 50-year journey.

Enclosed in collectible packaging, the set includes the Animated Series remastered on Blu-ray for the first time ever, the newly released Director’s Cut of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, an exclusive Starfleet pin commemorating the 50th anniversary and new mini-posters for the first six feature films designed by acclaimed artist Juan Ortiz. Over 20 hours of previously released bonus content is also included in this comprehensive collection.

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The 30-disc set includes the following:

• Star Trek: The Original Series Blu-ray
• Star Trek: The Animated Series Blu-ray

• Star Trek: The Motion Picture Blu-ray
• Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan Director’s Cut Blu-ray
• Star Trek III: The Search for Spock Blu-ray
• Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Blu-ray
• Star Trek V: The Final Frontier Blu-ray
• Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Blu-ray

• Star Trek: The Journey to the Silver Screen—New 50th Anniversary Multi-Part Documentary

o The New Frontier: Resurrecting Star Trek
o Maiden Voyage: Making Star Trek: The Motion Picture
o The Genesis Effect: Engineering The Wrath of Khan
o The Dream is Alive: The Continuing Mission
o End of an Era: Charting the Undiscovered Country

• Collectible 50th Anniversary Starfleet Insignia Pin
• Collectible Mini-Posters for Movies 1-6
• Plus over 20 hours of bonus content!

 

These sets are coming in the first week of September – preorder now using our links:



Order the Star Trek 50th Anniversary Collection today!

  • MattR

    The packaging and the disc art are all really nice. I never really got into the Juan Ortiz “art” so the posters aren’t that exciting for me. The pin looks similar to the Qmx one.

    So the main draw for me would be the packaging, the new documentary and the Animated Series. Overall, I’d consider buying this set, dependent on price.

  • Wayne Booker

    Looks like I need to find some more space for box sets 😛

  • Jon

    Sorry to say that my initial reaction is on the negative side here. I already have the series on Blu-Ray (bought each set the moment they were released) and have been waiting for better transfers for the movies before picking up the Blu-rays for those. The recent 4K release for TWOK is certainly a start, but this set does not appear to contain any other 4K transfers…

    I do very much want TAS on Blu-Ray, but not enough to buy this set which will no doubt be quite pricey, especially since I’d be re-buying many discs that I already have…I will be especially peeved if this ends up being the only way to get TAS on Blu-Ray…but I suspect it will be released separately (eventually).

    And I’m also not much of a fan of the Ortiz artwork…just didn’t do a thing for me is all.

    I’d love to see the new documentaries, but again, not at the undoubtedly high price this set will command.

    Sorry to be the negative nilly here, but that’s my 2 cents here. But for anyone who doesn’t have these discs already, I suppose maybe then it might be worth it…

    I’ll pass…

    • I also don’t care for the Ortiz posters. I know a lot of people love them, but most of them look ugly to me.

    • Ace Stephens

      Just throwing this out there: You could probably sell your TOS blu-rays on eBay or similar to make up some of the cost if you find a price you like on this at some point.

      But I agree overall. This may not be worth it for some. For others, it could be. I suppose it depends on if they want TAS right away, like differing/new packaging, etc. This might depend upon the price but I guess we’ll see what that’s like. I don’t have high hopes (that it won’t be high).

      • Jon

        That’s actually what I did with the original 2 episode DVDs that I had bought way back when they were first releasing TOS on DVD. I eBay’d the whole set to then buy the boxed sets, and then sold those on my local craigslist just before I picked up the Blu-ray sets.

        So Paramount/CBS certainly has gotten their share of my money already… 🙂 .

        I’m happy enough with the current Blu-Ray sets and will buy TAS if it is offered separately. I know they were just Filmation, but the one episode that was transferred to Blu-Ray already (“More Tribbles, More Troubles” on the TOS Season 2 Blu-ray set) did look a lot better than the DVD release, IMHO.

        Jon

        • Ace Stephens

          I’m roughly in the same realm as you purchase-wise. Unless this is a great price, I’ll simply get TAS when available.

    • pittrek

      I am thinking about selling my TOS and TOS movies Blurays on eBay and buying this set. But I’m not sure if I like the artwork or not, it’s just … weird

    • Kaine Morrison

      $124.99

  • TUP

    Yowza – Im tempted as I dont have TOS on Blu Ray. But why wouldnt they do new 4K transfers first? Surely in a couple of years all of this will be on UHD and aggravate those who buy this set…

    • Ace Stephens

      If it would aggravate in a few years, why not just not buy it now? And, if one does but then “something better” comes along that one “must have,” why not simply accept personal responsibility for the earlier purchase since it was made with an awareness that there were probable “better” editions coming? Maybe resell this version on eBay and recoup some of the cost and consider the potential difference what one paid to own a copy in the meantime? Etc.?

      I really don’t understand this frequent “frustration” people voice. I’ve never understood the mentality that seems upset when new/improved/additional/etc. things are released.

      • Tone

        You MUST work for Paramount… Jeez

        • Ace Stephens

          Not at all.

          I just don’t like it when people judge on an unfair basis. And I type a lot in general to the point that people often get on my case about it.

          • Tone

            OK, so what exactly do you think is unfair about people being disappointed in yet another re-badge offering, clearly designed to profit from completist Star Trek fans?

          • Ace Stephens

            I think it’s unfair that they view it the way you just described.

            If you don’t want to purchase something, don’t. If they then stop releasing things (including even things that you would have wanted to purchase), blame yourself to a degree. Understand the business and how/why it works the way that it does.

            The way people project their own undue cynicism onto others is what’s unfair.

            Of course CBS/Paraount run a business but that doesn’t mean that their pursuit of profit is somehow outrageous in these regards. Yet people proclaim, “Paramount’s trying to screw us!”-type stuff whenever they’re given something new. It’s an ungrateful, entitled perspective steeped in cynicism itself.

            Just sell your other set if you want this one so desperately (and can’t bear to own two copies of something or whateve). Or wait until they release TAS separately. Or don’t buy it (if you buy everything Trek but realize it’s not “good” for you to do so). Or on and on. Take a little personal responsibility for your purchasing habits instead of blaming studios for offering you options based on the availability of titles/resources/etc. they have.

          • New Horizon

            It’s hardly unfair when these scans of the movies have been repackaged several times already since 2009. The Undiscovered Country is badly in need of a new scan, the overuse of DNR looks terrible. This is the 50th anniversary, and they should be putting their absolute best efforts toward this. Future proof all the movies with a 4K scan, then downsample to 1080p for bluray releases…then when 4K comes along…they’ve already done the work. Same with both TMP theatrical and directors cuts. Do them in 4k. Paramount shouldn’t make the same mistake twice, like they did in 2000 when they opted for only a standard def render of the directors cut.

          • Ace Stephens

            It’s hardly unfair when these scans of the movies have been repackaged several times already since 2009.

            That sounds like it goes along with the cynical perspective (regarding the types of things that constitute “unfair”). “Why do they repackage things they’ve already released?” …Because new/differing/etc. people may not have purchased them already and, for those who have but might like something else, this could be good for them…and on and on…in a manner that might make money. (Speaking of the general “you”) Not everybody is you. And yet constantly it’s people saying, “I already own this so it’s a cash-grab,” ignoring that there are plenty of people who don’t yet own various copies of things and that the “extended” sales of works often help finance the remastering/re-releasing/releasing/etc. of various other associated works or similar. It’s generally – to be upset that one already owns a version or whatever – a very self-involved outlook.

            It also tends to be incredibly entitled and lacking in self-awareness to suggest that not only must things suit one’s own purchasing history or similar but one (or others) must somehow buy things because, “I’m a completist fan!” …Then that’s your own thing so take responsibility for it and either don’t do that if you can’t afford/accept/etc. it or, if you can, acknowledge that that’s your thing and not the studio’s “fault” or something they are somehow responsible for.

            “How dare they release more content I might want!” …Huh? If you want it, consider buying it. If you don’t…don’t.

            The Undiscovered Country is badly in need of a new scan, the overuse of DNR looks terrible.

            I don’t disagree with anything there aside from perhaps the lack of clarity for “badly in need.” In what sense does one mean “badly” – is that referring to timing, personal preference, etc.? And as far as “need” goes, a lot of people misconstrue wants/preferences as needs. But I think the scan is less than impressive at this rate, sure. What that says/indicates/etc. about the timing in terms of the realities of the business side for Paramount is…pretty much nothing at the moment. But it does indicate that some would likely consider purchasing a remastered version. Particularly “for the 50th” (*sigh*).

            This is the 50th anniversary, and they should be putting their absolute best efforts toward this.

            People have decided that “50th” means something notable and cling to that to justify their entitlement, frustration, etc. in ways that…don’t actually relate to the content/product/work/etc. so much as sentiment and/or self-involvement. It’s another year passing just like any other – it just has a social construct around the notion of its importance being greater. Imagine your bafflement if someone said, at some point, “It’s the 34th anniversary! We deserve better!” …That’s roughly what this sounds like because, practically, in terms of why it’s being noted that it’s the 50th…it’s all marketing right now. So it’s odd to me that people note the “cynical” nature of Paramount or similar in their view and yet their (the given fan’s in such an instance) sentiment rewards constructs associated with it by purchasing them because, “Hey, it’s the 50th.” Again, one should generally take some personal responsibility for one’s own purchasing habits.

            “How dare Paramount give their outlooks over to praising or pursuing rather arbitrary – in some contexts – math and figures! …But YAY, 50TH!”

            Future proof all the movies with a 4K scan, then downsample to 1080p
            for bluray releases…then when 4K comes along…they’ve already done
            the work.

            I don’t know that they have the time/resources available in the immediate to do so as well as a good estimate of the “profit potential” from that in the near future. As some seem to have put forward, it seems that Wrath of Khan may have been about “testing the waters” there. Otherwise, like with many other films, studios might be willing to wait until such processes are cheaper and more efficient down the line or things like that.

            But I don’t think some people realize how “compartmentalized” many of these decisions/concerns are for them (which is something I find frustrating in terms of reason but that’s not particularly relevant here) and so they think, “You’ve already made a ton of money and you’ll make a ton over the long-term!”…not realizing that this isn’t the way the business realities tend to work for them as far as what they’re looking at for the immediate budget/profit/time/etc.

            Paramount shouldn’t make the same mistake twice, like they did in 2000
            when they opted for only a standard def render of the directors cut.

            I don’t think Paramount handles things perfectly (far from it, in fact) but they do have business realities they have to look at and releasing collections of things already out there gets them flak (“I’ve got it all already. So who cares?” and/or “Now completists have to buy this too?!”), releasing collections with new stuff gets them flak (“Now if I want that, I have to buy this too?!”), releasing something as an exclusive for a bit gets them flak (“Now if I don’t want to buy that, I have to go a few months without this too?!”), repackaging something for a slightly different market/release/time gets them flak (“I’ve already got this! Why would they release it with a new cover if it’s not just a cash-grab? …But I’ll buy it.”), etc. But it’s all in the name of profit and, when people purchase enough in a suitable timeframe, they tend to (overwhelmingly) get more of what they want. So I don’t see enough cynicism there worth noting as “cynical” or a “cash-grab” or things like that.

            The potential for profit is the reason most if not all of Star Trek currently exists. Somebody “looked at the figures” and went, “Maybe this will make money.” So to disparage that when it’s not clearly contextualized as being to some inordinate degree…seems more like people being upset that, “I already own the TOS movies! Why should I have to buy this?!” …You shouldn’t and don’t have to? Nor should the company be required to have all of their releasing plans suit you and you alone?

            Regardless, there are business realities to consider which don’t always align with things (as arbitrary as the sentiment/marketing overlap of a “50th”). And so suggesting that everything Paramount does is about “screwing the fans over” rather than generally due to (reasonable, for what it is) business concerns they have…is unfair. And appears to come from a sort of odd, in some ways entitled and/or self-involved outlook that has a tendency to project one’s own cynicism onto others.

          • New Horizon

            Why must one be cynical to disagree with a repackaging of older scans on the 50th anniversary of Trek? Of course fans expect the parent company to go above and ‘Beyond’ for the 50th. Also, I never said anything about screwing the fans over…you were quoting someone else?

            Personally, I do not own any of the original cast movies on bluray yet, because I’m still waiting for Paramount to do a new scan of them all. I have a very limited budget and quality matters to me. I own TOS on bluray (good purchase), as well as most of the new TNG transfers on blu (I did not buy Season 2 new because of the drop in quality…still have to pick that up used somewhere).

            If they’re going to do something special for the 50th, and this is for the 50th since it is emblazoned with a 50 on the front of it….go all out, and make it count. Give the whole collection a good quality pass and really make it shine.

            I’ll keep waiting for new transfers, but in the meantime I’ll also continue to make it known to the company that new transfers are what I’m looking for as a fan.

          • Ace Stephens

            Right – but since you replied to me when I was replying to others about the nature of many of these complaints being unfair, your seeming defense of them being unfair in the manner in which I was citing requires me to cite them. And many were rather cynical, self-involved, etc.

            There is a big difference between, “I wish they would do this (and the 50th would be a good year to) and I probably won’t purchase until then…” and, “This is just a quick cash-grab to screw fans when we should have everything we want RIGHT NOW regardless of the practical/business issues ‘because it’s the 50th’ and ‘because I bought most/all of these already…” and on and on.

            Yours is more the former with a hint of the latter so the only reason you’re really “lumped in there” is the defense of unfair views.

          • Steven Carter

            Your stupidity knows no bounds.
            It’s Simple. Paramount/CBS has to cater to existing Fan Needs & new Fan needs, not screw one over for the other.

          • Ace Stephens

            …They’re doing that (in terms of how they approach the market for these things) and yet here you are still complaining because of your limited, entitled outlook.

            So, I’m sorry – this isn’t about my stupidity. It’s about your self-involvement and ignorance.

          • Steven Carter

            No you Paramount/CBS defender, they are not doing it or We fans would have a new Bluray set with New scans & New Discs in stead of the same Re-packaged ones & nothing to justifiably complain about.

          • Ace Stephens

            How can you talk about how the company feels entitled to your money and then turn around and go…

            “If they really loved us, we’d have a new this and better that and a new other thing!”

            …and not see how far off-base you are in that it is your view which is entitled?

            As for having a new set with new scans and new discs…you apparently are so deluded that you don’t understand that things take time and money and CBS/Paramount are not focused solely on Star Trek. So they look at figures, profit potential, etc. and adjust accordingly regarding what it is within their power to do.

            Wrath of Khan just came out remastered. Apparently this took awhile for them to get around to it (you should note that Paramount has had major financial issues in the past few years yet here you are going, “Oh, this company on the brink of going under or being sold should be pouring money into my thing because I’m me! ME ME ME!!!”). Seemingly, if it sells well and other Star Trek-related things appear to be doing well, the likelihood of their remastering further films goes up notably.

            But this is merely logical. It is a conclusion derived from the application of reason. Which you apparently care less about than you do whining because of your own personal fixations and not getting what you want in the immediate.

            Now tell me who’s “entitled” again.

          • MJ

            First of all, hardly anyone has a 4k blu-ray player. Secondly, you would need to be sitting within 6 ft of a 100-inch 4k projector to be able to tell the difference from 1080p. As far as TV’s are concerned, its a gimmick at typical viewing distances.

          • Steven Carter

            So you do work for paramount, your so brainwashed.

            “Buy what we want you to or you will get nothing”
            They should be giving us what we want- sepearte editions with new features for fans who already have the avalible DVD/Blurays & combined box sets for the Newbies.
            Simple.
            End of discussion.
            They deliberately try to manipulate fans, There is no garuntee they will release seperate editions later so fans have to chose between risking a double dip or missing out.

          • Ace Stephens

            So you do work for paramount, your so brainwashed.

            No, I don’t (I am simply aware, in at least a base sense, of how the market works). But you are delusional if you legitimately, truly think these things you’re putting forward (and I would suggest you seek mental help and/or counseling in some form if that is the case). People who try to put patterns together in their heads in order to assume the worst of others or piece together some kind of “conspiracy” rather than just taking responsibility for themselves tend to have serious mental issues. I see these types often complaining online in manners that don’t quite line up and then blaming anyone who says, “That doesn’t really make sense the way you’ve explained it.” as being “in on it” or similar. Apparently you don’t realize that that’s essentially what you’re doing here, too.

            “Everybody’s been replaced by lizard people!” – “…Uh, what’s your proof?” – “A grainy fake video, books I’ve read by people with similar mental issues to my own and my personal fears/insecurities surrounding power!” – “That’s not really evidence.” – “YOU’RE ONE OF THEM!”

            “Buy what we want you to or you will get nothing”

            No. Buy what you want because your purchases influence the market. Again, Economics 101 stuff here. If you (as in the fans enough, en masse) buy something then some bigger/better/further/alternative (which is similarly favored) version is likely to be released. Because the market has shown that it (the later form) is likely to be profitable. But if you don’t want it and don’t buy it, maybe others pick up the slack. Or maybe they don’t. And you wind up getting what you wind up getting as a result. Sometimes somebody buys it and things still don’t do well enough overall so that’s it.

            They should be giving us what we want- sepearte editions with new
            features for fans who already have the avalible DVD/Blurays &
            combined box sets for the Newbies.

            …This is a combined box set that a Newbie can buy. So…again, your own entitlement seems to be rearing its ugly head. As for any “separate edition,” that is likely to be released around a similar time – if their awareness shows that might be profitable – or, down the line, influenced by product availability and purchases of this set. This is simply “logical.”

            There is no garuntee they will release seperate editions later so fans
            have to chose between risking a double dip or missing out.

            Consumers always have to choose to purchase something because it suits their purposes or not. If you want something ASAP (because you’re impatient and fearful of “missing out”) so you buy it, that’s a choice you made. But if you don’t get a separate release and they don’t seem to release it within a couple years and you really want that one element…you can probably buy it (new or used…) on a popular auction website. And then, who knows? Maybe within a month of your doing so (and once they look into their supply/demand/etc. stuff), they announce a new, stand-alone release of that element – which may even feature new special features.

            And then you will likely show up to whine about how you just bought the last one (Because everything’s about you, right?) and they’re evil and they shouldn’t have made anyone wait and, even if they did, why does this new one have new special features (ignoring that it took them time/money/etc. to put into that in the meantime when they weren’t sure if they could justify or arrange it in time before) and blah blah blah because every choice a corporation makes should be about you specifically rather than the broader market trends, profitability of product, etc. that actually directly influence their ability to release things. …Right?

            You are responsible for you. They are responsible for them. To suggest that they are responsible for you is radically immature (hence things like my earlier “grow up” comment). Just truly acknowledge this and, odds are, you’ll feel more empowered, less prone to fear and coming up with “conspiracy theories” and more aware of what influence you exert when you purchase these things. But that’s my whole point that yourself and others (who seem to have entitled, misguided mindsets that ignore the realities of the market) seem to miss – your choices are up to you.

      • MJ

        I agree completely. So tired of people with no patience who –time after time — impulse buy each iteration of Trek, then incessantly whine about it not being the penultimate version or latest format.

        No, I am not buying TOS blu-rays AGAIN, and my TAS DVD’s will look just as good as the TAS blu-rays given the limited color palette and lack of fine details in the souce media.

        There is a sucker born every minute, and he’s not me.

        • Ace Stephens

          I completely value and respect this attitude. Personal accountability. You don’t want/need it, you don’t bother and you just say it and why. However, I am frustrated by your other comments here which seem unduly/unfairly negative regarding what the intentions must be. Because, for instance, it’s not like everyone already owns copies of each/all of these. Maybe some new fan is “hitting the jackpot” with this. So why trash those behind it or similar?

          “You’re in charge of you.” One handles oneself and lets Paramount/CBS handle their business interests. Why blame them for seeking to make money and then seeing that stuff makes money and so allowing fans access to more on that basis? Seems like a relatively honest give and take there within a capitalist construct.

          • MJ

            Well, I simply restated in a more direct way your following statement which I agreed with:

            “I really don’t understand this frequent “frustration” people voice. I’ve never understood the mentality that seems upset when new/improved/additional/etc. things are released.”

            And you are correct — let me re-state that I certainly don’t begrudge a new fan “hitting the jackpot” with this. That was not the intention of my post.

          • Ace Stephens

            I get that in this case – I was, since it exists in conjunction with your view of some of this matter, addressing a generality of certain views I’ve seen put forward about this material (or material like it). Otherwise, we’re just totally at odds regarding other concerns here surrounding our perceptions of the business approach/realities that exist for physical media. You seem to think I’m ignoring stuff or making things up and I think you’re misreading the conditions and/or my statements.

          • MJ

            Good points. I don’t mean to be critical — I am enjoying our discussion.

          • Steven Carter

            They manipulate fans, There is no garuntee they will release seperate editions later so fans have to chose between risking a double dip or missing out later.

          • Ace Stephens

            …And that would be on the fans. You don’t have to own everything. You should be mature enough to make that choice for yourself rather than blaming others for giving you the option of purchasing it in some form to begin with. Talk about entitlement!

        • Slantedandrecanted

          I think you need to look up the definition of “penultimate”. You might be surprised 😉

  • TrekRules

    Including the Newly Remastered Animated Series – bs. It was remastered in high def back then the dvds were released. I doubt they remastered it yet again.
    Yet another Paramount/CBS screwover since people already own TOS and the films but if you want the new documentary, you need to buy this set. I hope TAS is released separate as I am not giving them money for this set to get a bunch of stuff I already own. Trek’s 50th Anniversary – another excuse for them to double-dip and shake more money out of the fan’s pockets.

    • Ace Stephens

      Trek’s 50th Anniversary – another excuse for them to double-dip and shake more money out of the fan’s pockets.

      Or perhaps some people don’t own some of this yet or like owning differing packaging or on and on. Of course Paramount/CBS want money as they are running a business but I find people often note “cynical cash-grabs” when what they’re really doing is projecting their own worldview. These companies don’t have to bother with “new packaging” or “new documentaries” or remastering anything much at all if not for (the benefit of) the customer (yes, in order to make more money from those who purchase and seemingly remain relatively satisfied ones – at least enough not to “boycott” future releases). So when people act like it’s just about the money, I find that it tends to show me more what their perspective is than what the perspective of others is.

      If you or others don’t like the available product, don’t buy it. If enough fans did things like that, they’d release less…and then many like yourself might be complaining here about how they “don’t even bother to release” whatever it is, with no awareness of the fact that your own actions caused that. Just as “your” continual purchasing causes repackaging, remastering, etc. things to occur as the studios recognize that these products can be worthwhile commercially.

      The financial success of the property is the same reason pretty much everything (beyond perhaps some of the earliest stuff) “Star Trek” exists.

  • Bill Jasper

    I just want TAS. I already own everything else on Blu-ray.

    • GIBBS v2

      And they know that.. Ha, sorry! They call that bait!

  • Cabo 5150

    I must admit, if this is the only way to get the TAS BD’s in the near future, it does reek of a rather cynical cash grab.

    I’m going to go out on a limb and guess most fans interested in the TAS Blu-ray’s are almost certainly going to own the other discs in this set already.

    Great for those jumping in for the first time I guess.

    • Ace Stephens

      I have very little doubt that TAS BDs will be available before long separately from this set. Why wouldn’t they be? But sure, this might beat the individual release by a few months or something so the hardcore fan/collector seeks this out and pays a higher price point.

      But I don’t really consider that so cynical (beyond what any decent business practice might be, that is – it’s not evil in its being self-serving or anything). That’s just the business side of it – give it some exclusives for the time being but don’t leave everyone hanging and money on the table overall. If someone doesn’t want/”need” this version or “more copies” (and is unwilling to part with earlier ones), they don’t have to buy it. Seems pretty simple to me.

      • Cabo 5150

        I’m certainly hoping for a standalone release, and as much as I desire TAS in HD, if it’s not forthcoming – I won’t be dropping the £’s!!!

        As you state, it’s all about business, and regardless of one’s individual appraisal of corporate motives – we can only make our feelings felt by voting with our wallets I guess!

      • archer923

        I’m sorry. It’s annoying. If the company didn’t want to be dickish. They just release TAS standalone at the same time. It’s just as bad as Lord Of The Rings. The bad sales of the theatrical cut forced them to release the extended faster. When it should of been a no brainer. Do both, same time. No complaints. End of problem. Stop trying to make compulsive buyers.

        • Ace Stephens

          Would be better if compulsive buyers learned to control themselves and took responsibility for their own purchases, wouldn’t it? I don’t dispute that a stand-alones release at the same time would be good. Then again, with enough time between, seeming screw-ups like the WOK DC might be able to be fixed in the meantime so…there’s some give and take there regarding upsides and downsides.

          As a sort of aside, I’ve never seen so many people (in general – not just here) who seem to project responsibility for their issues onto others as I have in recent years. “If I feel/think/do this, it’s your fault!” To me, that attitude is almost entirely antithetical to Trek so I’m a bit frustrated to see it here. Not frustrated to see comments about hoping there’s a TAS release at the same time or whatever, mind you. Or about disinterest in repackaging or similar. But the sort of aspersions regarding “cash-grab” declarations…as though the studios wanting cash isn’t the entire reason Star Trek exists. And/or as though all other fans/collectors/buyers should already own whatever the party in question owns and therefore the studios are clearly trying to screw over customers.

          Just a lot of entitled, self-involved reasoning that has no perspective on the business side of things and the complications and so, rather than make meaningful (even if perhaps harsh) observations, they openly disparage the motivations as though they go beyond the typical “Let’s hope we make enough on this…then we can do more and make more and feed our families…” and into the realm of, “They just want ‘more more more’s because they’re greedy and evil!” in their apparent subtext. And why are those involved portrayed in this manner? They gave fans the option to own a new iteration of something. Oh no!

          I’m glad I didn’t follow the fandom in the first few years of TNG. “How dare they ‘repackage’ this with new stuff! It’s not even as good as the old one! Why should fans have to consume this?” and on and on. It’s the same old song-and-dance when it comes to people who wish to resent opportunity rather than embracing it.

          • archer923

            Well, people are the weakest points. And the companies just exploit it for gouging. I’d rather a company just release at the same time and be done with it. All I’m complaining about is TAS. I can care less of repackaging stuff all the time.

          • Ace Stephens

            I’d rather a company just release at the same time and be done with it.

            I get that. And, although I’ve followed some other production things along these lines, I’m not sure what the immediate benefit would be to drag out the timeframe for a stand-alone here. “True” completists would likely buy both anyway and…otherwise, some prints/posters and such aren’t enough of a selling point to make or break things for most who are on the fence.

            As for repackaging stuff, I appreciate that you see that’s not such a huge deal (that is, “problem” or similar) in itself. But others are harping on such matters as though it’s a company trying to ruin the lives of fans by stealing money from them or something, as though nobody has a choice and so nobody can just be like, “I’ve already got this stuff. And the main thing I don’t have, I’ll get when they presumably release it sometime around when they release this.” And that “We have no choice!”-thing (when they are expressly being provided a new option)is the absurd sort of self-involved stuff I’m just left kind of stunned by.

          • Steven Carter

            Your an idiot, clearly. These sets are for COLLECTORS/STAR TREK Fans so if Paramount/CBS want to sell them to the target audience you have to cater to them not dismiss & alienate them with bully tactics
            They do not respect the consumer/fan & are pushing their agenda- wanting us to buy anything they put out even if it’s just repackaged They should be happy we want anything from them & just give us what we want if they want our money.

          • Ace Stephens

            You’re a troll, clearly (who else starts out with their first reply being, “You’re an idiot, clearly.”?).

            CBS/Paramount – while obviously having marketing demographics and all this that they focus on more just like every other corporation – are selling these things to whoever will buy, including diehard fans who want to own everything (and, if that’s the case, that’s their own responsibility rather than CBS/Paramount’s) and relatively novice fans who have the money and always wanted to get into Star Trek but weren’t really buying things like this yet (so it’s all in one place here for them).

            They do not respect the consumer/fan & are pushing their agenda…

            This isn’t a thread for conspiracy theories last I checked so your personal insecurity about something causing you to read into stuff isn’t the same thing as a conclusion drawn based on evidence. Their agenda is clear since CBS/Paramount has a responsibility to the shareholders of CBS corporation and Viacom to attempt to make money. So they set about taking the stock of merchandise/IP/etc. that they have and attempting to maximize the utilization of their brands. Just as you might purchase every season of a show when it’s released as a diehard fan and yet they might still release a complete series set when they’re all out…that’s not “on them” as part of some insidious agenda or disrespect to fans. It’s about availability of supply as well as whether there’s demand for such a thing. If there is, they’ll sell it. If there isn’t and they know this, they’ll try to figure out what might sell instead using similar means.

            …wanting us to buy anything they put out even if it’s just repackaged.

            If you don’t have enough self control to manage your own purchasing choices, that’s on you. Nobody says you have to buy anything they put out (in these regards – on Blu-ray). Ever. So if you go around randomly buying everything in sight that even might have a Star Trek logo on it, displaying impatience and entitlement at every turn and then complaining constantly about more options being available to you…those are multiple poor decisions that you have made and are not controlled by some corporate entity. If you genuinely believe they are (“This corporation gives me no choice! Look at how they actually try to sell merchandise and maximize profits! THAT’S EVIL!”), please seek help for mental issues.

            They should be happy we still want anything from them & just give us
            what we want if they want our money. They are not entitled to out
            money.

            You’re the one acting delusionally entitled here. CBS/Paramount is trying to earn your money by releasing (what they feel is) a quality product you might enjoy. If you don’t, you don’t buy it…then they might not release further stuff that you might wish to purchase. But, also, there are plenty of people out there who aren’t you who might not own any of this set or might just own a movie or two or things like that who might wish to purchase it. Because – and this is something that a lot of very self-involved fans can’t comprehend – not everybody is exactly like you and therefore not everything must be suited to your tastes, purchase history, etc.

            You could try taking an Economics 101 class or something before showing up here with conspiracy theories as though a corporation isn’t simply trying to provide something that will make money in order to appease their shareholders…and as though yourself and other fans aren’t allowed to make your own individual choices about purchases/priorities/etc. regarding things like repackages and the like.

  • MJ

    Don’t see the point behind this. Cash grab!!!

  • MJ

    The Animated Series was done using Filmation cells, with a limited color pallet, and with big swathes of color use, without fine details. So there is no reason beyond pride of ownership to upgrade from your TAS DVD set to Blu-Ray. Solid Red blotches in 1080P look nearly identical to Solid Red blotches in 480P, as upscaled by any half-decent modern blu-ray player.

    Use your common sense folks and save some $$$.

    • archer923

      I did save my money. I didn’t buy the TAS DVD set, when it came out. And have been waiting for a BD set that would use 2 discs.

      • MJ

        That works too — good man! The point is not to buy it twice, given the likelihood that you won’t be able to tell the difference.

  • Cabo 5150

    I’m going to have to disagree with you here, MJ!

    The “More Troubles, More Tribbles” HD episode on the TOS Season 2 Box is easily and quite noticeably superior to it’s standard definition counterpart – and the lossless DTS HD Master Audio sounds much “fuller” to the comprssed audio on the DVD.

    I totally get why it might be assumed TAS would not benefit from an HD upgrade, but I can assure you – it genuinely does!

    • MJ

      Well, I have a high-end A/V receiver that upscales the simplistic cartoon graphics of the TAS DVD such that it looks like a Blu-Ray output. I mean think about it, alll of those simple solid colors going through an advanced upscaling algorithm — its utterly simple to fill in the large limited colors with just more pixels of the same color — no details are lost give the simple color palette, and the lack of detail in the Filmation cells.

      Now, I guess if you need DTS Master Audio on these, I will acknowledge that point. But for me, TAS music is the same three or four overly dramatic in-your-face dramatic themes over and over. It’s not the high point of TAS. But even here, you must realize that they converted the original simple stereo soundtrack to this format, right? It’s not like they had an audiofile version of this sitting in some vault.

      • Cabo 5150

        No worries, MJ – we each see things differently!

        I’m also a hardcore home cinema enthusiast of many decades standing – constantly updating my gear (much to my wife’s dismay). HC is one of my passions.

        The scaling chip in my dedicated cinema room’s current Blu-ray machine (pretty much the finest optic disc player money can buy) is probably the best such chip available to the home consumer.

        I have the US TAS DVD Box set, and, IMHO, scaling a 480i (or any SD) source has fairly limited results. Certainly, artifacts like “jaggies” are smoothed out more successfully than inferior chipsets, but, again, IMHO, it is simply not possible to get even close to reproducing an HD image by scaling.

        To me, “More Tribbles, More Troubles” from the TOS S2 Box Set clearly demonstrates a substantial increase in both picture and sound quality scaling will never get close to. Just watch any episode of TAS from DVD (on your best equipment), then watch MT,MT from the Blu-ray, and I’d be extremely surprised if you didn’t notice the improvements immediately.

        But, again, if you don’t see it, and are happy with scaling, that’s cool. As I said, we are all different!

        • MJ

          Interesting. Well, based on your experience, if TAS BR ever gets to say a $30 sale price at some point, I may get it then.

          Thanks

          • Cabo 5150

            I’m with you – I certainly won’t be dropping what will almost certainly be a WHOPPING figure for this box set!

            A day and date standalone release would have been appreciated (and a nice reward for the fans who’ve supported these BD releases thus far). If it does come, we’re looking at middle of 2017 at the earliest IMHO.

            There’s money to be milked!

  • Mrplatitude

    No new transfers for the rest of the films? If they aren’t planning it for this set that really suggests there are no plans at all.

  • Fred_Garvin

    Jesus Christ, Paramount thinks Trek fans are a bunch of imbeciles…

    • Steven Carter

      Yes They Do

      • Brian Thorn

        They’re usually right.

  • Darkthunder

    What’s really bad, is that their fuck-up on the Wrath of Khan Director’s Cut, will still exist in this huge package.

    • Jake Wolfe

      Wait, what? What happened to the Director’s Cut?

      • Ace Stephens

        I assume they’re referring to the Sulu shot that gets repeated.

        • SpaceCadet

          No, the repeated shot of Sulu is seemingly a mistake, but there is the later scene of Kirk returning from Regula and as he’s climbing the ladder in the ship with Spock dialogue has been removed where Kirk used to say, “that man is my son” and Spock replied, “fascinating”.

          • Ace Stephens

            That isn’t a “fuck-up” though – according to what’s been reported, that’s a choice the director made. And it’s a Director’s Cut. So it’s just an updated Director’s Cut rather than a “fuck-up” there, assuming the report is true.

          • SpaceCadet

            I’m not calling that a “fuck-up” myself, I’m just reiterating what’s been pointed out by someone else as a change to the film that wasn’t previously advertised.

          • Ace Stephens

            Oh, I understand that but the party in question referred to a “fuck-up.” So the “fuck-up” regarding this release would seem to be the Sulu mistake. Not a deliberate choice made that doesn’t suit the previous conception of the advertised product (perhaps making this edit technically a DC 2.0).

          • Steven Carter

            It was obviously a fuck up with the Audio & they tried to cover it, rather than fix it by claiming it was a “Choice” to remove the dialogue yet leave the then pointless silent shots in- then they found other mistakes & had to fix the film anyway but wouldn’t go back & fix the dialogue cause they already lied about it & couldn’t backpedal.

          • Ace Stephens

            There you go with your “conspiracy theories” again. Sure, what you’re saying is a possibility (just like assuming that any corporation making reasonable choices with product availability must be evil might have validity in a given instance – although evidence is what would indicate that rather than someone’s random, ego-driven inference)…but we’ve been given no indication of that. Has Meyer given any indication of that? As it currently stands, it’s simply a change and the available, indirect information has said, “That was intentional.” So that’s where we’re at.

            You can question that but to behave as you have, as though your conclusion is plainly correct just because you wish to assume the worst (a lot like your other reply)…come on. Grow up.

          • Steven Carter

            There you go making excuses, Mr Paramount/CBS lover.

          • Ace Stephens

            I’m not making excuses. Acknowledging the reality of the market conditions in contrast to lone individuals who feel like the market conditions should conform to their individual interests, previous purchases, etc. without regard for the market at large…is merely logical.

          • Tuskin38

            Looking at Darkthunder’s post in the WOK news post, he is referring to the Chekov Scene, not the Ladder one.

      • pittrek

        They basically created a new version of the movie without telling us. I wouldn’t call it a “fuck-up” but it is very slightly annoying.

  • Tone

    Wow they are really milking the cow with all these packaging changes. How about totally remastering the movies, using a nice crisp new 4K scanner??? Nah, it’s much cheaper (for Paramount) and easier to just change the boxes…

    • Ace Stephens

      I have to imagine that new scans of the other films would make this exponentially more expensive and I don’t expect it to be cheap (in general – although probably compared to buying separately upon original release of the individual sets) as-is.

      • MJ

        LOL — my goodness, what an apologist.

        • Ace Stephens

          I’m an apologist because I’m not a bitter, self-involved person who doesn’t realize that purchases drive further releases and remasters and re-releases and many of those things cost studios money (which they’ll only spend if they have seen that they already make money in this or that form/regard) and on and on? I’ll take that.

          • New Horizon

            I think the perspective of a lot of people is that it’s the 50th anniversary of Star Trek. They really should have been planning to future proof all the movies, not just Wrath of Khan. The Motion Picture Theatrical and Directors Edition should have been on the table for the 50th as well. The folks at CBS / Paramount were told awhile back that this was something the fans were asking for.

          • Ace Stephens

            They really should have been planning to future proof all the movies, not just Wrath of Khan.

            While I understand that, in terms of the immediate projects (looking at the work on a film-by-film basis or similar), we do not have a direct indication that this would be profitable for them in the short-term. And that’s what studios tend to rely on when making these decisions in terms of timing (what’s worth it or necessary to invest their time/money/resources in now). So they’re largely looking at what makes money now and enables future growth. Given the way some act whenever a price on a new release isn’t particularly cheap (going on and on about how they’re being “gouged” and “screwed” and it’s a “cash-grab” – just like they do pretty much any time something wasn’t made to their exact specifications/wants/ownership) , is it any surprise that they didn’t remaster everything ASAP in order to put out a set when doing so would likely lead to cries that it’s all too expensive for films that were already released, even if they are remastered or do have new extras? And then people don’t buy as many copies as they might have otherwise. And so the studio looks at it all and goes, “Maybe we need to test these waters because a version of this already exists and we don’t know with complete certainty how these remastering projects will be received regarding sales.”

            The Motion Picture Theatrical and Directors Edition should have been on the table for the 50th as well.

            In terms of sentiment, that makes sense (although a “50th” is just an arbitrary number, practically-speaking) but the business realities don’t always necessarily align with fan sentiment.

            The folks at CBS / Paramount were told awhile back that this was something the fans were asking for.

            That doesn’t magically mean that they would be able to put together all of the resources within this timeframe in order to produce/market it in a manner which is cost-effective and stands to gain a decent profit in the relatively short-term.

          • archer923

            I really don’t see the logic. You’d have to spend the money in the future. So paying for the work now, and it not selling amazing at the start shouldn’t really matter. You did the work already. You now don’t have to pay for the 4K work, in the future.

            And just pop it out over and over. Do the work right, first time. And get it out of the way. It’s the sole reason why TMP has been screwed up. If they just did the HD work, back in 2001. They’d have no complaints or issues from fans now.

          • Ace Stephens

            They don’t always have the money or budget allotted to “do it right right now.” What you’re saying would be like telling someone who needs five overall of something to save money now by buying in bulk…when they’re dirt poor (yes, studios aren’t but that doesn’t mean they’re given money all the time for new things that won’t clearly make them money in the near-future).

            They simply can’t afford it in many cases even if doing things that way would save them money and make them more over the long-term. So they’re stuck compartmentalizing and prioritizing on that basis regarding the immediate market.

            As for what’s wrong with their company…well, Paramount is all screwed up and strapped for cash now from my understanding.

          • archer923

            Well both ways are right. But I’m on the side of doing it right the first time. And benefiting later. James Cameron filmed his Titanic documentary on HD cameras, in 2000. 2 miles under water, in 3D. Disney just made the BD release easy as pie. So the investment and harder work was worth it, 12 years later.

            CBS wouldn’t of had to do the HD TNG remaster. If the show was finalized, on film in 87. They just have to clean it up. And pop them out. With very little work. Same goes for DS9 and VGR. TV shows today now suffer from being cheap from the late 80’s.

          • Ace Stephens

            But I’m on the side of doing it right the first time.

            So am I, in general. But, when it comes to the “compartmentalization” within a studio for home media or things like that…you can’t get blood from a stone. “Hey, we really want to do these six things now. And have them set for future formats.” – “So? …Where’s the market?” – “They bought other copies.” – “Oh, so they have it already. Don’t bother.” – “No, no. Just…just let us do one because they want higher-quality versions. And if it sells well, maybe the rest?” – “Uh, okay. I mean, there seems to be interest you say and that’s the big one anyway, right? Go ahead.” And then a sixth of the budget (or so) appears. And then they work on it and, otherwise, play the waiting game to see how it sells. That’s the sort of thing we’re dealing with.

            And why? Because of tried and true business practices in the past, some of which are rather pragmatic and others of which are just…arbitrary “standards.” Sure, reasonably, one might easily think, “Just do it now!”…but that’s not the way the business works because of the way these things are split up into different divisions and so the budget isn’t there.

            TV shows today, now suffer from being cheap, in the late 80’s brilliant idea going to tape.

            One person’s “cheap” is another person’s (likely a professional’s) “on or under budget so I don’t get fired.”

          • MJ

            Dude, you are just making this all up. Complete conjecture. LOL

          • Ace Stephens

            You could contextualize it as shortsighted in a certain context, yes, since it is a cost/business issue because the perspective of studios/departments is often about the most immediate returns (for the given project) rather than (further) ancillary markets. Not because Paramount in particular is focused on this (to the exclusion of further ones) but because that’s the most evident realm for comparison of things. They tend to compare like against like and budget on that basis. When they don’t know how well a remaster will do for Star Trek right away, it is far easier for them to ease into the matter – this means they won’t pour a ton of money into it ASAP. So they don’t have the money to do everything right now.

            Now, if WOK DC makes them a ton of money, odds are they might revisit another one or two (but probably not the rest of the TOS films right away) because they don’t quite know how far that interest stretches (since WOK is the most well-regarded). And if those do well, maybe further.

            Little would shock me more regarding Trek-related developments than to hear that WOK sold decently and now they’re remastering literally all of the TOS films. …Because that’s just not the way business (in particular, this one) works.

          • MJ

            Again, since we both seem to be having the same discussion here in different parts of thread, I will repeat my other responses I just made to you:

            “Paramount lags way behind the other major studios in doing special editions, remastering projects, etc….and this goes back for the past decade, not just the last two years when blu-ray sales have started to decline…FACT!”

            “The costs are NOT huge..not by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, I guarantee you that if they wanted to farm out remastering on this to Criterion or others, there would be a huge line of interests ready to do this project at their own cost, provided they got a share of the profits. Guaranteed!”

            “Blu-Ray sales were down 12% last year, while streaming sales rose 18%. You are confusing format with demand. Demand is still there.
            And not only that, but the high-end markets for re-mastered and special edition blu-rays keeps growing, as evidenced by steadily growing sales of the high priced Criterion Collection.”

          • Ace Stephens

            Yes. I addressed these. I have addressed your points but you seem to put the answer you wish to get before the evidence/equation/facts that might get you there. Sort of reverse-engineering a view of the situation to suit your existent frustrations.

            Paramount has been having financial difficulties for quite awhile now so their lack of focus on these things should be no surprise. Including their lack of a suitable budget (for larger projects that are “unproven” to their mind given the immediate concern) in many instances.

            As for the costs not being huge…of course they’re not (in certain respects/cases). You’ve got random companies doing scans of whatever for specialty stuff. It’s not like it’s some immense problem just doing another scan. It doesn’t mean that the studio has given somebody the budget to do even that in various cases, however.

          • MJ

            Again, you are a hell of an essay writer, and fast as well…I’ll give you that.
            But it’s all pop conjecture. Like you read Forbes a lot and thus think you understand all of this. No offense, but I don’t find your conjecture realistic or compelling.

            I know something about the studios and business, because I have several friends in it, and I have access to several trade magazines specific to the industry (e.g. Screentrade). Trust me — it’s not a secret that Paramount is way behind the other studious in taking care of and managing their movie catalog.

          • MJ

            “They simply can’t afford it ”

            LOL. That’s just complete bull — you made this up.

          • Ace Stephens

            I assure you I did not make it up as an issue within the field of physical media.

            At this rate, the notion that a specific project (for a struggling studio) would be approached as a huge undertaking incorporating many works when it could, instead, just be a dip of the foot in the pool to test the water is absurd (given the physical media market’s issues). And so, as a general approach, they tend to compartmentalize. Which means that, in order to minimize risk, they often approach things one at a time with small budgets. Sure, things may later go to streaming and this and that but it’s not what the immediate budget is usually allotted (with consideration for). As you yourself noted, it doesn’t cost that much to do some of this stuff…so, obviously, the budget is often small. Meaning that, as far as having the ability to take on many projects all at once (for instance, six films when they could just do one to see how things go), “they simply can’t afford it.”

            To use a random analogy, it’s like eating a pie. You wouldn’t try to eat three pieces at once and you particularly wouldn’t if you weren’t even sure if you were hungry.

          • MJ

            No, no, no.

            First, of all, the costs are NOT huge..not by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, I guarantee you that if they wanted to farm out remastering on this to Criterion or others, there would be a huge line of interests ready to do this project at their own cost, provided they got a share of the profits. Guaranteed!

            Secondly, I repeat what I just replied to you above on for the same topic:

            “Paramount lags way behind the other major studios in doing special editions, remastering projects, etc….and this goes back for the past decade, not just the last two years when blu-ray sales have started to decline…FACT!”

          • Ace Stephens

            First, of all, the costs are NOT huge..not by any stretch of the imagination.

            Did you just read what I said? I said it didn’t cost that much to do some of this stuff. So why are you seemingly refuting points I wasn’t making?

            In fact, I guarantee you that if they wanted to farm out remastering on
            this to Criterion or others, there would be a huge line of interests
            ready to do this project at their own cost, provided they got a share of
            the profits. Guaranteed!

            I don’t dispute any of this (except the suggestion that Paramount would likely pursue such a thing in this case…). Are you one of those people who eventually stops debating with the other party and begins just rattling off things that have nothing to do with what they’re saying?

            “Paramount lags way behind the other major studios in doing special
            editions, remastering projects, etc….and this goes back for the past
            decade, not just the last two years when blu-ray sales have started to
            decline…FACT!”

            And Paramount’s profits have been faceplanting for much of that past decade and so if you don’t see the correlation (“Hey, we don’t have money for random special editions, remasters, etc. because we’re not doing well financially!”) then you have issues with understanding. FACT!

          • MJ

            You are correct. Paramount is just being short-sighted. They have a history of not caring as much about their old movies as compared to other studio. This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the small costs of remastering. Ir’s all about bad corporate habits, which are short-sighted.

          • MJ

            No. The issue here with your “apologist” comment is that you simply don’t get how relatively small the investments are to remaster a feature film in a major franchises given that dollars that such an effort will bring in. Paramount is frankly just lazy and shortsighted by not remastering all of the films — it is not at all a cost issue as your claim.

          • Ace Stephens

            The issue here with your “apologist” comment is that you simply don’t
            get how relatively small the investments are to remaster a feature film
            in a major franchises given that dollars that such an effort will bring
            in.

            The home media market is basically imploding (or already has)…so what used to sound like a “small investment” given the likely return is now more of a risk.

            Paramount is frankly just lazy and shortsighted by not remastering all
            of the films — it is not at all a cost issue as your claim.

            The market is struggling right now. So much so that there’s this odd hope that 4K will somehow save things. Prior to this, it seemed to be 3D (and then “they” backed off of that just when it started to be gaining traction). So there are financial constraints right now which, a few years ago, would have been viewed as foolish or restrictive to an unnecessary degree given the likely profits.

          • MJ

            Blu-Ray sales were down 12% last year, while streaming sales rose 18%. You are confusing format with demand. Demand is still there.

            And not only that, but the high-end markets for re-mastered and special edition blu-rays keeps growing, as evidenced by steadily growing sales of the high priced Criterion Collection.

          • Ace Stephens

            Blu-ray sales were down how much the year before that? Over 10%? So that’s…more than 12% in terms of comparisons to when physical media was knocking it out of the park.

            As for “confusing format with demand,” no, I’m not. Studios don’t typically budget with a great deal of consideration for (further) ancillary markets in mind – as you will note, I have stressed repeatedly here how these things are compartmentalized, narrowed, etc. Sure, they know that’s there. Is that the way they approach it in terms of budget? Generally not.

            And not only that, but the high-end markets for re-mastered and special
            edition blu-rays keeps growing, as evidenced by steadily growing sales
            of the high priced Criterion Collection.

            There are a lot of hardcore fans of various companies/IPs/formats/etc. who will go all-in and then mistakenly believe, because of this, that “most” (or “enough”) others must do or wish to do the same. I see it all the time with “specialty” fandoms. The overall industry remains a numbers game from the business side of things.

            And a few more devotees showing up to support the “niche” or “specialty” product won’t make up for the overall industry or similar’s shedding of general audiences when it comes to a cumulative view.

            If every diehard fan of Trek bought WOK DC, that might show decent sales. But if it’s only the diehards…it had better not have been intended to be a “major, mainstream” release or allow for a ton of profit in the short-term or else the resources that go into that would likely cause it to be a failure. It’s all a weighing of figures in those regards.

            So Criterion or ScreamFactory or Arrow or whoever can afford to do a Collector’s Edition of something because they’re not pushing it everywhere with the hopes that everybody everywhere buy it. They’re usually pushing it at a slightly elevated (at least – compared to more mainstream fare) price to a specific niche audience that has a notable percentage buy it (compared to the percentage of the public at large buying a mainstream thing). So it’s not like more “major”-ish releases for larger studios/companies/etc.

            Which kind of ties into why certain things have a “compartmentalized” approach from studios – certain niche audiences, concerns, etc. don’t necessarily respond in the same way that the market at large does and, even if they do, that might not be workable so minimizing the resources/impact/etc. if things don’t quite work allows the occasional “flop.” Whereas any notable “flop” (as in, “huge expectations”) from a particularly niche distributor could torpedo the given company’s profitability for a period.

            So there’s just a lot of logistics at play and I feel you’re the one oversimplifying or misreading in these regards.

          • MJ

            You are a hell of an essay writer, and fast as well…I’ll give you that.

            But it’s all pop conjecture. Like you read Forbes a lot and thus think you understand all of this. No offense, but I don’t find your conjecture realistic or compelling.

            I know something about the studios and business, because I have several friends in it, and I have access to several trade magazines specific to the industry (e.g. Screentrade). Trust me — it’s not a secret that Paramount is way behind the other studious in taking care of and managing their movie catalog.

          • Ace Stephens

            Like you read Forbes a lot and thus think you understand all of this.

            I understand this is just an example but I don’t read Forbes. I may have read like two articles online in the past year from it.

            No offense, but I don’t find your conjecture realistic or compelling.

            I don’t take offense in this regard. I don’t feel that, overall, you’ve been unduly “personal” or antagonistic. A “lively” debate is fine by me and I take no offense in that regard. If it starts getting into a realm of aspersions rather than assertions (on the basis of seeming observation), that is where I might start getting touchy.

            Trust me — it’s not a secret that Paramount is way behind the other
            studious in taking care of and managing their movie catalog.

            Again, where is this coming from? I never debated this. I basically said, “Of course they are! They’ve been struggling financially, in various forms, for over a decade! So of course they don’t prioritize remastering this and that.”

          • MJ

            Well, I think we are at a point of agreeing to disagree. I may be a tad blunt in my posting style, but I really do respect your opinion, and I have enjoyed this interesting discussion. Thanks!

  • iMike

    I can understand a lot of the comments. Most folks here already own TOS and the first six films on Blu-Ray and if TAS is only being released to Blu-Ray as part of this set, then that is definitely a cash grab move. I would wager the studio has plans for a standalone release of TAS sometime this year; from a marketing standpoint I can see why they would announce this big package first. Perhaps the giant boxed set is being released first to entice those who a) never upgraded from DVD to Blu-Ray in the first place or b) never invested in any of the media to begin with, or c) new fans who don’t want to buy several packages? This way they can do it all in one bang.

    Personally, I already own the first six films on Blu-Ray in the Stardate collection, so the only film draw for me is the remastered TWOK. However my TOS Blu-Ray box was lost in a recent move and if I have to replace that it may just be worth it to invest in this.

  • New Horizon

    The frustration comes from the fact they’re packaging the remainder of the movies using the old transfers. Where is the 50th anniversary special edition of The Motion Picture with both the Theatrical and Directors Edition on one disc? Been waiting for that for years. The Directors Edition team have all the source files for the CGI updated scenes…bring them on board and get it done finally. Render it at 4K to future proof it as well.

  • Gustavo Leao

    There goes my credit card ! LOL

  • William Peck

    I find frustration in this as well, I’m a content junkie. I would like to see the Captains Summit in this set, as well as several of the older doc’s and specials only found on vhs these days. Such as the various anniversary specials, and the very insightful William Shatner’s Star Trek Memories, and Inside Star Trek The Real Story.

    Maybe even the Red Shirt Logs left off the blu ray release, or some of the vintage content like bloopers or the animated psa’s never released on anything. Or maybe a new doc remembering the folks in front of, and behind the camera that are no longer w/ us. Of course there’s the director’s cut of the motion picture, and the special edition cut of the Undiscovered Country.

    I’m also dismayed at the fact if I want this new doc for the 50th, I have to sell all my current stuff to buy the new. I know I should be happy w/ what I get, but throw a fan a bone for goodness sakes!!!!

  • Hey berto

    If no new transfers on the theatrical releases, I won’t be purchasing.

  • grandadmiralbinks

    I just want TAS. This is a cash-grab.

    • iMike

      I think you’re very likely to get just TAS later this year. Is this a cash-grab for hardcore Trek fans who already have everything on Blu-Ray? Absolutely, it is. However, I think this massive set is aimed at a) completitionists who just have to have everything and don’t care about the cost, b) fans who have the DVDs but never upgraded to Blu-Ray (now they can get everything Kirk and Company in one shiny box, c) TOS fans who never bothered to purchase any media at all, and d) new fans …

      I think once this released CBS will release TAS in a standalone Blu-Ray, although I hope it’s as a complete package and not by season, since Season 2 only featured six episodes.

  • Sykes

    Looks like a really sweet set for anyone yet to pick up TOS and the movies.

    Also, it makes me hopefully we will see newly remastered TOS movies…the “new 50th anniversary multi-part doco” includes the one from the new ST2 disc, so if we’re lucky the rest of the parts were made in anticipation of adding them to the other movie discs down the road. I can hope, can’t I? 🙂

  • pittrek

    Now this is annoying. I have ordered the the steelbooks versions of the movies just today 🙁 This will be a tough year for my bank account

  • In Belfast

    Oh great, released the day after my birthday…

    I’ve nothing of Trek in HD, so if it collects it all for a reasonable price, I guess I may find myself tempted.

    Although I picked up Ghost in the Shell on blu ray and was bemused with how entirely like the DVD it was, so I’m a bit iffy about having TAS included too.

    • archer923

      TAS is HD. Ghost was a crap transfer.

      • In Belfast

        TAS was a Filmation production, charming but hardly going to benefit much more from blu ray than DVD.

        I could only find GITS on two different blu rays, a steel book devoid of extras and the 2.0 version which I was advised wasn’t worth catching because of the inclusion of some iffy CGI. Any other superior releases?

        • archer923

          Nope. The original movie was just screwed on BD releases. And the companies seem to not care about it at all.

          • In Belfast

            Boo.

            Is Akira equally impressive on both the ordinary and special steel book releases?

          • archer923

            The movie itself is fine. The bonus features are a pain in the ass. Both the BD steel book and regular release are missing stuff from the DVD steelbook bonus features.

  • CoolGeek

    Not interested.Its quite a set for those who dont own any classic trek on blu but its not complete unless the other five films in the classic series are not given proper transfers ( And TMP needs to be the directors cut ).

  • archer923

    Oh, yeah put the TAS BD set in there. That’s the only thing I need from star trek. Annoying companies.

  • That’s a really, really pretty box set.

  • Rover’s Chocolate Log

    Without the extended TMP and TUC this set remains, alas, a bad joke.

  • Pedro Ferreira

    So a couple of new docs? Am I the only one who’s thinking CBS is doing everything in their power to market Star Trek without actually spending money putting something new out?

  • Kaine Morrison

    I decided to preorder this.
    $208 isn’t too bad. I actually thought it’d be $250.
    Obviously, the price will drop. But September is going to be expensive!
    This
    Zatoichi set
    Labyrinth…
    Ugh…

    One thing I do wish they would change…
    They should have 3 disk sets in there…
    One for The Original Series
    One for The Animated Series
    One for The Film Series

    Written that way as well!

    When any new disks get released, I’ll just swap them out into this packaging.

  • Kaine Morrison

    $124.99 is a great price for this!
    Canceled my preoder with Crapazon!

  • MIKK89

    Someone may have asked this question but does the set come with The Bonus 7th Disc from https://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Trek-Original-Picture-Collection/dp/B001S3GDT0/ref=sr_1_1_twi_blu_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1468794077&sr=8-1&keywords=Star+Trek+The+Original+Movie entitled: ‘The Captains Summit’

    i realize that the 30-Discs could be 20 for TOS, 3 for TAS, 6 for I-IV and the Bonus, but surely TAS could fit on 2 discs…

    • Martin Paternoster

      It doesn’t.

  • x3n0

    How many re-relaeses are there still to come?
    I mean sure, it’s the 50th anniversary but come on…

    Will there be another rerelase on the 55th, 60th, 65th, 70th…?

    Are they really expecting us Trekkies to buy the same stuff over and over and over and over again?

    You can’t argue that CBS/Paramount thinks about Trekkies as cows that can be milked everytime anew.

    They should offer something the audience really craves for instead: DS9 & VGR remastered.

    This just annoys me…we’re neither kids nor stupid.

    • Ace Stephens

      They should offer something the audience really craves for instead: DS9 & VGR remastered.

      They don’t have sales figures for those things (or similar) already released that appear promising to them. (Apparently TNG didn’t sell that well.) Whereas, given all the re-releases and re-packagings thus far (which they likely felt were justified given sales prior to those), they probably have plenty of figures indicating that TOS, the original six films, etc. sell well.

      So they’re just trying to capitalize on the market by providing that last directly-associated thing.

      But they certainly don’t think you’re kids or stupid (I don’t know why so many always read negative things into stuff.). They’re just following the market.

      (And I say this as someone who desperately wants DS9 and VOY on Blu-ray. But that doesn’t change the “realities” – i.e. “figures” – the studio is looking at.)

    • Roger Birks

      Money talks and there was no way that cbs/paramount would not release a branded 50th anniversary set. It was done for James Bond and it will be done for Star Wars in 2027 with Eps. 1-9 plus the spin offs. It’s what happens. Some fans cannot resist snapping up every release. Myself, I buy if I want it. Something needs to justify buying anything.

      This set is not needed for me because I have the original show on bluray and the starships film box collection. I don’t care for the animated show at all. I mean, it’s terrible isn’t it?

  • Steven Carter

    Forcing people to buy the same Blurays to get the animated series?
    release it seperately- they did the same thing with the Into Darkness Bluray 2 disc, you had to buy the first film again.
    If they won’t pay for new transfers or budget to bring the Directors Edition crew in to sort out that Bluray edition (with new Starfleet Tram depo Shots-the matts made with digital still camera shots are awefull & inconsistant with the quality of the other FX shots) Why don’t they do something different like have the episodes in the proper production order like the DVD’s were instead of air dates?

    • Martin Paternoster

      I think it’s coming, or should be at least.

  • Thomas W.

    I once made my own director’s cut of TMP by cutting the missing scenes of the TV/VHS extended cut into the DC. Then you get an extra long cut…. This sort of cut should be published in 4K.

  • John Lennon
  • Impecunious Joe

    Hmmm. It vexes me that Paramount still won’t have done any remastering on these beyond what’s already been done with Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and I’d really like to wait until they have before I get the other movies; also, I picked up the new Director’s Cut release of that a month and a half ago, when it came out, so all six movies in this set are things I either already have or plan to buy individually down the line anyway. However, I don’t have any of the TV shows on Blu-Ray yet, and I’d like to. Considering that in terms of pure running time the movies make up a tiny portion of this overall package, and that it also has the new documentary, perhaps I should just go ahead and get it, and think of it as paying for the complete first two shows and the physical extras, and getting the movies as a bonus?

    Decisions, decisions…

  • David Dennis

    A few questions answered may help folks decide….
    We see disc art for three animated episode discs — do the movies and TV series now have actual disc art or the same exact gray or blue plain color? Trek 2 DC is now blue and the older five are gray.
    If they are new pressings will they remove the now unneeded promos for Star Trek ’09 and Fringe?
    Is the set box height Blu-ray or DVD size?
    Will the animated series be released soon separately? Yes, I know they won’t answer this one.
    And I know this would never happen but…..too bad they didn’t include ALL appearances for the original actors — “Generations”, “Flashback” -Voyager, “Relics”- TNG, “Unification”- TNG, “Farpoint”- TNG, “Sarek”- TNG. As we know “Trials and Tribbleations” is already part of the season 2 set.

  • GIBBS v2

    I’ve reached the point I have seen all the episodes and all the movies so many times there just is no point in buying this stuff anymore.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    This will be $75 within a year.

  • I find it hard to believe that an HD transfer of the Filmation TAS will be much of an improvement on the DVDs.

    This set is definitely aimed at those without any of the included discs, which is absolutely fine. TAS will be available separately soon enough.

    Honestly, I’d be a bit miffed if CBS/Paramount didn’t put out a special 50th Anniversary set. Doesn’t mean I’m personally going to buy it.

  • Michael

    $200? Are they on drugs?

    • iMike

      Considering you’re getting two full series and six films it’s not an unreasonable asking price, especially for those who may not already own the TOS and film content on Blu Ray. It’s a good way to get everything TOS-related at once. If you already own TOS and the first six films on Blu Ray, then yes this may seem a bit ridiculous. I would wager that CBS will drop TAS as a standalone later this year (probably toward Christmas).

      Amazon currently lists this set as $208.99. Just like with the individual TNG Blu Ray sets, I’m sure Amazon will drop the price again on release date.

    • Kaine Morrison

      $124.99 at bullmoose.com

  • Michael

    No thanks, I will wait for the 4K remaster. Or the 5k HDR remaster. No wait, I will wait for the 8k remaster. Yea, that’s it.

  • Danny Murdock

    I just got this in Australia and boy we don’t get the same is that. There is no artwork on the discs, the mini posters are VERY small (think slightly larger than a coaster) and there is no badge whatsoever, and not book that slides out which holds everything. Just foam holding the Blu-Rays in their covers. What a disappointment.