Since the debut of STAR TREK BEYOND and the new featured starship – the 450-foot USS Franklin – we’ve seen a lot of both confusion and consternation from fans about where this vessel, purportedly the first Warp 4 ship, fits into the Trek timeline.

Spoilers, obviously!

There are two prime factors that have become the source of this uncertainty: the nature of the ship’s history, and its registered name.

The USS Franklin faces off against a wave of oncoming Swarm ships. (“Star Trek Beyond”)

Scotty: “This is the USS Franklin, sir, can you believe it? First Earth ship capable of Warp 4. It went missing in the Gagarin radiation belt in the early 2160s.”

This dialogue is a clear signal that the ship is older than Jonathan Archer’s Enterprise NX-01, which was the first Earth vessel with a Warp 5 engine (“Broken Bow”). The NX-Beta, of which Archer and colleague A.G. Robinson piloted on the first Warp 2.5 flight, occurred in 2143 (“First Flight”), narrowing down the launch window of the Franklin to between that time and the NX-01’s maiden voyage in 2151.

This prototype nature of the Warp 4 ship is why the Franklin was christened with an NX registry (NX-326) at its launch.

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Reed and Tucker survey the damage caused by the Xindi probe. (“The Expanse”)

Edison: “I fought for humanity – lost millions to the Xindi and Romulan Wars!”

In addition, Captain Edison’s backstory from BEYOND details him as a veteran of the old-Earth military’s M.A.C.O. service, which was absorbed into the Federation Starfleet after the Romulan War concluded and the United Federation of Planets were founded in 2161.

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The official logo of the Franklin’s M.A.C.O. contingent.

Because the Franklin remained an active part of Earth’s armada, now part of the UFP, it was reclassified to the USS Franklin at that time.

And for those of you asking why the NX-01 didn’t get a USS designation: remember, it was set to be retired after the events of “These Are the Voyages…” in 2161.

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The forthcoming Quantum Mechanix model of the USS Franklin. (Photo via @TrekMovie)

And if you think this is just our speculation, worry not: we got a note from Dylan Highsmith, one of the lead picture editors on STAR TREK BEYOND, about this very issue.

If you want the official explanation on the Franklin and it’s warp factor: it was a M.A.C.O. ship (or a United Earth Starfleet ship that housed M.A.C.O. personnel at times) that predates the NX-01.

When the UFP Starfleet is formed, M.A.C.O. was disbanded and the ship was reclassified as a Starfleet ship [with the USS identifier]. The ship is then “lost” in the early 2160’s.

It was important to everyone that the ship, like Edison, predate the Federation; that thematically, the ship mirrored an earlier time in history and served as a bridge in design between then and the NX-01.

Doug [Jung] and Simon [Pegg] may have worked up something [on an official launch date], but if they did it never made it to script or screen.

Either way it predates the NX-01, and was reclassified after the UFP is formed.

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Travis tells Malcolm about the new ready-for-people transporter pad. (“Broken Bow”)

Another timeline comparison of note: Scotty says that the Franklin‘s “old transporter systems were only ever used for cargo,” while we learn in “Broken Bow” that the NX-01’s transporter pad was recently “approved for biomatter – meaning armory officers and helmsmen.”

In an interview with USS Franklin designer Sean Hergreaves, the artist specified that the vessel originally “transported freight more than people.”

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Columbia NX-02 under construction in 2153; the Enterprise in Iowa in 2255. (“The Expanse,” “Star Trek”)

The film also took the time to differentiate how these “old vessels” – compared to the Kelvin Timeline’s Enterprise – “were built in space, never meant to take off from atmosphere.” We see Columbia NX-02 under construction in “The Expanse,” compared to the KT’s Enterprise being built on Earth in the 2009 Trek film. Chekov and Sulu must “jump start” the Franklin by tricking it into activating atmospheric compensators to escape Altamid’s gravity.

As for why the registry number on an earlier ship than Archer’s Enterprise is higher? While that wasn’t specifically discussed, it’s our conclusion that the United Earth fleet must have started over when it came for the Warp 5 starship’s numbering – the Warp 4 ships were the previous line of construction.

UPDATE: We’ve gotten confirmation from the BEYOND production team that the Franklin registry number (NX-326) is in fact a reference to Leonard Nimoy’s birthday (March 26).

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The USS Franklin’s dedication plaque. (“Star Trek Beyond”)

But why didn’t the registry change from NX-326 to NCC-326? Well, so far there’s only been one precedent of that, Sulu’s USS Excelsior, which started as NX-2000 and graduated to NCC-2000 after joining active service. (On the flip-side, Ben Sisko’s Defiant remained registered as NX-74205 through its entire run.)

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The Franklin fights off the Swarm outside of Yorktown Base.

So there you go: despite lots of initial questioning, the Franklin does manage to slot right into an unexplored gap in the history of the Alpha Quadrant.

We’re sure you’re eager to discuss the details further – so have at it in the comments below!

  • 11001001

    What i’m not clear on is given how small the Franklin is compared to the Enterprise, how did the Franklin hold the entire Enterprise crew?

    • prettyconfusd

      I guess it implies there weren’t that many left after the destruction of the ship… :/ We only saw 60 get beamed back.

      Do we know how many crew would have been on the Enterprise when it left Yorktown?
      Still, the Franklin wasn’t super tiny, and if it was mostly there to haul MACO troops and later Federation cargo there must be plenty of space to store a few hundred cramped Enterprise refugees…

      • Doctors Tardis

        Given that the current enterprise is supposedly the size of the galaxy class enterprise….

        • ShepardRahl

          The people who built the digital model for the movies said it would be 725 meters. That’s three times the size of the original Enterprise. I have an exceptionally hard time believing that.

          As far as being bigger than the D goes…if the length is to be believed then it would only be 84 meters longer, but that’s only because of it’s long ass necelles. I doubt it would have more than 25 decks and neither the saucer or secondary hull are near as wide as the D. So as far as it being the size or bigger than a galaxy class ship I highly doubt it. But this is all just my speculation.

          Fun fact: You don’t see it in the show, but according to the Enterprise-D technical manual the main shuttlebay takes up the entirety of decks 3 and 4. ‘lol’

          • Eric Cheung

            This video seems to concur with the Technical Manual on the shuttlebay:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xOvFt8D6go

          • ShepardRahl

            Yeah I’ve seen that before.

          • Matt Littledyke

            Also I remember reading that in early TNG drafts the Ent D also had a main corridor we never saw that the turbo lifts passed through and people could also walk through I suppose a bit like a shipboard promenade.

          • driven01

            I have an easier time with the movie imagining it as the same size as TOS or the movie versoin. (325 meter max)

      • Justatron

        I think you are right…sadly, not many of the Enterprise crew survived Krall’s attack…and we don’t really know how many more died at Krall’s hands on the surface. We saw two be “harvested” for him but there could have been more…and more could have died fighting back after landing. I took the small attendance at Kirk’s birthday party at the end to represent just how few survivors there were from the Enterprise…

      • Devin Serpa

        TOS Enterprise had a compliment of at least 400.

    • Joey G

      A ship can hold more people than it can accommodate living in it. For example, my car can hold 4 people, but I wouldn’t say it’s setup for 4 people living in the car.

      The crew of the Enterprise lives in cabins / rooms. I’m pretty sure they didn’t each have a cabin on the Franklin, but were just hanging out in the cargo hold or something.

      • Fctiger

        Yes exactly! My house can hold 5-6 people in terms of bedrooms but I can easily put 5 times that in the house itself. People seem to forget these ships are made up of corridors to get from point A to B. Plenty of room to squeeze people in.

        • Billy Pate

          they used “slide outs” like on campers…..lol!

    • Jason MacDonald

      It didn’t. If you saw the movie, escape pods were being blasted left and right. I really doubt more than half of the crew survived. The transporter on the Franklin could only transport 20 people at a time, and it was only used maybe 4 or five times while Kirk was acting as a diversion on the motor bike. So I’m guessing only 80- 100 crew were saved at most. The other were either left behind on the planet, or died.

  • Roger McCoy

    No need for the theory of the number system starting over.

    “[Franklin] was reclassified after the UFP is formed.”

    It was given a new post-Enterprise registry number when it was folded into the Federation Starfleet. The “NX” classification presumably honored its history as experimental.

    That said, if there was a registry number “reboot”, I like to imagine it was post-Enterprise with the Federation’s NX-01 USS Dauntless, which would explain both “Hope and Fear” and the computer’s comments in “Relics”.

    • Roger McCoy

      Just to be clear, despite my qualm above this is an awesome article addressing something that was bugging me the whole movie. Thanks for researching this!

    • David

      That was NX-01-A if you’re talking the false ship in VOY.

      • Roger McCoy

        Sort of. I’m referring to the conjectural ship that the VOY ship would presumably have been named after, which one would assume to be NX-01 (if not for Enterprise).

    • Ian Fae

      I would have though that it started life as NV-326 in the same line as NV-01 Intrepid, which it seems to share some similarities with, and what we’re seeing is the refit (much as the Constitution-class was later refit) and reregistered version that served in the Romulan War.

    • Thomas Tiner

      to me the numbering of the ship became a mute point when we found out it is Leonard Nimoy’s birthday (March 26th) my love in this movie is how not only did we get the references to Enterprise but to the Original Crew of the show with the final crew photo taken during “The Undiscovered Country” I think this one above all other showed respect for those that made it what it is

    • JES

      If we’re going to bring non-canon into the discussion, I also have to assume that maybe the NX registry was kept so as not to contradict another registry in the rapidly growing fleet.

      I always did like the Burke class from Starfleet Battles. In this case, the Franklin would share her number with the Ernest J King.

      Don’t ask me what they would do for others of her class that came after her though. I have no idea.

      There has always been a problem when the registry doesn’t donate age/era, and it has always made it easier when it does.

      Honestly, this whole thing just opens another can of worms that wasn’t needed.

      • Dusty Ayres

        It’s actually the USS Frank Lin, named after the director’s dad.

  • Michael Spadaro

    “But why didn’t the registry change from NX-326 to NCC-326? Well, so far there’s only been one precedent of that, Sulu’s USS Excelsior, which started as NX-2000 and graduated to NCC-2000 after joining active service.”

    The accepted theory is that once series construction of a class is approved, the class ship gains an NCC prefix. The Excelsior is one example. For another (that blurs the canon/non-canon line), look at the Galaxy-class. According to older editions of the Star Trek Encyclopedia, the registry number of the Galaxy was NX-70637. When she was finally seen in Tears of the Prophets, she clearly sported an NCC prefix.

    “The film also took the time to differentiate how these “old vessels” – compared to the Kelvin Timeline’s Enterprise – “were built in space, never meant to take off from atmosphere.””

    That’s because building spacecraft on the ground really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

    • With the Federation’s mastery of artificial gravity as seen with the Yorktown base, lifting a starship from planetary atmosphere doesn’t seem to be much of an issue anymore.

      • Michael Spadaro

        No, it still makes no sense.

    • Dan Leckie

      Your comments re: NX/NCC don’t account for the Defiant retaining an NX designation throughout its use on DS9.

      • Sour D’oh

        The main reason for this, I would think, is that the original NX Defiant never stopped being an experimental ship. She had a Romulan cloak fitted and she was a testbed for new technologies such as ablative armor. It was referenced in the show that Captain Sisko never stopped tinkering with her and didn’t always inform Starfleet of his modifications. When the NX Defiant is destroyed, Sisko is given the Sao Paulo, which he re-names Defiant (according to Ron Moore she’s “Defiant-A”) and the new ship is NCC-75633.

      • Michael Spadaro

        The presence of a Romulan cloaking device says plenty about that. As for why it didn’t get an NCC prefix when the second one showed up, that’s an easy one an everyone knows it: Paramount didn’t want to spend money to have the CG model relabeled.

        If it makes you feel any better, the DS9 relaunch novels have her gaining an NCC prefix.

  • Avilos

    Thanks for getting insight from someone in the production. It fits with most fan speculation on its placement with the NX 01. As a big ENT I was thrilled to see how much it was used for the backstory. Not as throwaway references but major plot points. This builds on the Admiral Archer reference in the first movie. If the next movie is time travel as it seems, be nice to see Archer and T’pol still alive in that earlier time period.

  • bytes

    Kelvin timeline is a different universe and a different time. All problems solved.

    • IPIUIL

      This ship predates the split in the timeline, that’s why it’s so interesting, because it’s part of the history of both timelines.

      • bytes

        In a Mirror Darkly. An example of time travel and universe jump. Kelvin is a different universe imo.

      • I’ve read fan theories that the temporal disruption caused by the Narada going through the black whole was so severe that it caused ripples in the timeline in both directions. It isn’t perfect but helps to explain away some of the minor problems.

        • Adam

          If it did affect the timeline prior to 2233, it’s because “future” temporal incursions into the “past” by Kirk and Picard (and probably others) were affected. Which is to say that the events of “City on the Edge” and “First Contact” (just to name a couple) unfolded differently or not at all.

      • Locutus

        Another explanation is that the Narada and Spock’s ship were not the only ships caught in the red matter vortex. Perhaps another heretofore undiscovered ship travelled even farther back than the Narada but caused only subtle changes. We know that the Narada and Spock Prime’s ship emerged at different times, so it is plausible to me that another ship emerged even earlier in time but unnoticed.

        • Julian Glover

          or just a piece of space debris that got sucked in. that would be enough, according to the butterfly effect.

    • Julian Glover

      only different from 2233 onwards. When it was split.

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  • Dan Leckie

    A very slight nitpick: both Enterprise and Columbia did receive a “USS” designation, in a schematic from the episode “Divergence”. Great article otherwise, though. 🙂

  • Alex Denby

    This all makes sense, but why would its registry number (NX-326) be higher than that of Enterprise (NX-01)?

    • Different run of ship production. (Plus, registry numbers have never really been consistent in Trek!)

  • Tristan

    My remaining question would be why does the plaque say “San Francisco Fleet Yards Earth” on it if it was built in space?

  • Tommy TJ Mitchell

    Well i saw STB yesterday and it was amazing!! Now…… if the Franklin was built and operated in the “Prime” timeline then surely it should have prime timeline engines/nacelles. Im only saying as the engines look more Kelvin timeline. Obviously the kelvin timeline didnt pop into existance till after the events of Enterprise and if the Franklin is before Enterprise…… see what im getting at??

    • IPIUIL

      Well I don’t know which nacelles you are looking at, but they don’t look like “Kelvin-nacelles” at all to me.
      They look more like a cross between the NX-01 and the Prime NCC-1701 to me [which is another problem because the Franklin is older than the NX-01 but that’s a different topic].

      That beeing said, of course there will always be such kind of inconsistencies because of the way these movies are created [e.g. someone else pointed out that the Franklin has a window instead of a viewscreen, which is more of a “Kelvin-timeline-thing”]

    • Ace Stephens

      As soon as the Kelvin timeline “pops into existence,” time travel to events prior in the Kelvin timeline changes. That explains any variations.

  • quhart

    There’s another way to read the USS Franklin – as a homage to the old “Space Flight Chronology” timeline. Specifically, she can be thought of as the NX-designated prototype of the Mann class (“first starship to surpass warp 4”, “flattened-sphere hulls, mounting warp tubes directl aft”, debuting in 2154). Those who want to try to fit this together with NX-01 making warp 5.2 in 2151 can play games with timeline ripples, or else assume the Kelvin timeline is using a different warp scale, or say she was built first and that the NX-326 designation was bestowed after 2161.

  • ShepardRahl

    The Franklin predating the NX-01 is just common sense. It’s a cruder design and if it could only go warp 4 of course it’s older than Enterprise. What confuses me is if they were going to decommission Enterprise on the birth of the Federation then why would they keep the Franklin in service?

    Also why did it still only have spatial torpedoes when Enterprise received photons 10 years earlier? Unless they just didn’t bother to refit the Franklin for photons. I don’t see why not though.

    • Locutus

      If its essentially a freightliner instead of an passenger vessel, it makes some sense. They probably keep freightliners in service a lot longer than passenger liners.

      • ShepardRahl

        Yeah I can see that.

    • quhart

      The practical answer is probably that using “spatial torpedoes” in the movie
      dialogue gives a clear sense of contrast with standard Trek tech, and
      communicates that the Franklin uses obsolescent ENTERPRISE-era
      equipment.

      If you want an “in-story” explanation of why Franklin wasn’t upgraded – NX-01’s
      “photonic” torpedoes are supposed to be charged by antimatter from its
      Warp 5 engine, so perhaps the smaller, simpler engines of NX-326 can’t spare any in the same way, thus limiting the ship to the older “spatial” torps?

      And why keep the NX-326 in service after 2261 but not NX-01? Perhaps precisely because it IS smaller and simpler – meaning that it has much lighter crew and maintenance requirements, which make it much more suitable for extended deployments. It also looks like the sort of thing that ENT-era could produce in large numbers for against the Roms. Think of it as the ENT period’s equivalent of the Constitution class, while NX-01 is the Excelsior?

      All just speculation, but I think it works nicely.

      • ShepardRahl

        Yeah it makes sense. But I think my point was – I probably just worded it poorly – why would they decommission Enterprise in the first place if they were keeping older ships like the Franklin in service? Seems kind of a waste.

        • quhart

          My thinking is that the NX-class, with its experimental technology and a crew pushing 100, was comparatively demanding in terms of resources, reliability and resupply, and would also be superceded when more advanced successors or more mature ships of equivalent performance appeared. Meanwhile, ships of Franklin’s class, while not the fastest or the most heavily armed, would remain the most suitable type available for grunt work, and much easier to produce in numbers.

    • Simon

      Why is the USA still flying B-52s despite B-1s and B-2s now in service?
      Or why are B-52s still flying and not B-58s, despite the B-58 being much more advanced?

      • Julian Glover

        lol just made an aircraft analogy as well

    • Julian Glover

      franklin was a cargo ship apparently, so why not keep it in service? they retired F-14s, but DC-3s (in service since before WWII) are still out there doing cargo.

  • bytes

    I am proposing that the Kelvin Timeline movies are a different universe. It solves all problems and debates. Just like the time travel and universe jump in “In A Mirror Darkly”.

    Example:
    Why do all starships in these movies have windows instead of viewscreens? The Franklin, the Kelvin, and the Enterprise all have one, but the NX-01 did not. If the NX-01 was from long before the time split, as well as the Franklin, why would the Franklin have a window? Answer? It’s a different universe.

    Why is Sulu in this timeline a homosexual, and Sulu prime of his timeline a heterosexual? Am I to understand that the time split somehow caused his sexual orientation to change? Answer? It’s a different universe.

    Why was Uhura working at a station next to a brewery tank? Answer? It’s a different universe.

    • Tommy TJ Mitchell

      Yes its a differant universe but this universe only came into being during the events of Star Trek 2009!! Everything prior to that was prime timeline, so, the Franklin should be prime timeline NOT Kelvin timeline. So the Franklin shouldnt have Kelvin style engines or viewscreen.

      • Ace Stephens

        Time travel in the Kelvin extends back to before the events of ’09 because it’s time travel. So…any differences are easily explained through that.

        • Tommy TJ Mitchell

          To coin a phrase. Thats “not logical”!! If nero came back in time to the point his ship emerged from the singularity then thats the focal point that split the timelines and changed the future. As Doc Brown explained to Marty McFly!! Thus everything BEFORE that point remained unchanged, thus the Franklin and NX-01 should not be effected and the Franklin should not have JJverse style engines

          • Ace Stephens

            You are not following. If Kirk in the Prime timeline goes back in time and the events he engages in occurred within his own timeline already…then if Kirk in the Kelvin timeline does the same, that would prove true there as well.

            As for Back to the Future’s time travel mechanics, they generally differ from Trek in their approach to time travel.

          • Tommy TJ Mitchell

            Well you have raised a very interesting point there!! The prime Enterprise crew DID travel back in time in ST4TVH so in theory when they went Back To The Future lol surely they should have ended up in the JJverse!! But jj’s Kirk hasnt time traveled yet so there should be no effects before nero.

            Although im mentioning Back To The Future the principals of time travel are the same IMHO!!

          • Ace Stephens

            Sorry if there’s some confusion as I was attempting to edit my post with an example and some clarification but then deleted a bit (again, for clarity) – so if I’m repeating something you already read (or half of what I said is suddenly missing), that’s why.

            Here’s an example of how they differ. For instance, if in Back to the Future you go back in time and then wind up coming back to a future that is radically different, things changed in the meantime within the singular universe. Whereas if you go back in time in Trek and wind up coming back to a radically different future, you very likely jumped realities somehow.

            That’s how the Kelvin timeline (or Mirror universe, for that matter) is even able to exist. There is no “alternate” Back to the Future reality when it’s all said and done – there is only the singular one that Marty’s actions influence. Otherwise, any potential future he comes back to (for instance, his happy one with his now prosperous family) is actually an alternate reality where he very likely wouldn’t replace himself. Instead there’d be two Martys (like there was when he went back at the end of the first one or when he was hiding from himself where he’d already been in the past in Part 2) but he’d have to kill the other one (in the “current”/”modern” timeline) in order to replace him. So, unless you want the Back to the Future trilogy to start having some really dark implications or concerns (“That’s not your real Dad. You abandoned him and that whole family and you’re missing in the real – original – timeline now. Happy ending?” and “You will probably have to kill yourself if you want this life…” and things like that) that remains a self-contained universe whereas Trek always says there are infinite ones.

            Again, this is all that allows the Kelvin/Mirror/etc. timelines to exist simultaneously.

          • I think the Kelvin usiverse more follows the Doctor Who rules of time travel rather than BttF.

            “People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually — from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint — it’s more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly… timey-wimey… stuff.”

      • WerbWolf

        Well. Why did the Enterprise go on to its first journey? Because someone from the future changed the past. The KT future is different from the original one so there can be changes. You can go to every episode where someone from kelvin’s future went to its past. First contact travelled to 2063, who says that first contact plays out the same in KT with a changed E’s crew?

      • Julian Glover

        the NX-delta actually had the same looking nacelles. just sain’

    • Ace Stephens

      I don’t understand how people think Enterprise occurred exactly as-shown in the Kelvin timeline given all of the time travel elements of that show. I assume the Kelvin timeline included events quite close to those of the show but that those “show events” exist in the Prime timeline. For comparison purposes, I tend to think that’s how the inclusion of the Franklin should be classified – seeing where it fits into this similar timeline.

      As for “changing” Sulu’s sexual orientation or things like that, there will be a ripple effect. There will be future time travel to the Kelvin timeline’s past which has a record of Nero/(Old) Spock/etc. where things differ. In this regard, other random events/elements/etc. might differ (“expanding outward”), particularly regarding the “superficial” (or “irrelevant to course correction”-type stuff).

      To me, this fixation with thinking everything was the same prior to a certain date doesn’t make sense as soon as anyone considers in-universe time travel. In my view, one can’t watch Enterprise and think the Prime timeline’s exact future is the same as the Kelvin timeline’s exact future. And since that future influences that past, even if only differing in extremely minor ways (which is unlikely on the whole although perhaps true in specific cases), the vast majority of Enterprise seems to remain valid, in-premise, in the Kelvin timeline…but some of the specifics simply can’t remain the same.

      • archer923

        My in universe explanation would of been Spock or someone from this alt timeline, when this run of movies ends, goes back and erases Nero from altering history. Restoring the Prime universe. So Prime 2150 era is unaltered. We’re just seeing the timeline prior to the fix change. The window, scaling problem, and wrong nacelles should of been dealt with, in beyond. Like they tried to keep everything else in order, with ENT.

        • Ace Stephens

          I just assume that nothing is 100% the same due to future time travel to the past in an already altered timeline. And that design differences or similar may have related to “test” designs that were abandoned, then later picked up and things like that. Just like not everything aligns 100% with the “obvious answer” in the real world if one doesn’t expressly have all of the information on the subject available.

          But I view the Kelvin timeline just like I do any of the other “alternate timelines” that weren’t then roped into (turning back into or similar) the Prime one via various alterations. I don’t see why the Kelvin one would necessarily need to be “altered back” at some point down the line and I especially think that this would feel like an odd choice for the new iteration as it might give it a sense of, “Nothing in any of these movies mattered or happened.” Whereas now we can still have the sense that all of these things happened but Spock and Nero crossing over complicated matters (forward mostly – but likely backward a little bit also) for a differing timeline.

    • Jean Michel

      “Answer? It’s a different universe.”

      You’re overthinking this. Some ships had viewscreens, some had windows instead. To me that’s a perfectly satisfying answer.

      • bytes

        Can you share any example of starships, before the Kelvin movies, that had windows instead of viewscreens?

        • Jean Michel

          No. Which still does not preclude the simplest possible explanation that I presented above.

    • Jad

      “Why is Sulu in this timeline a homosexual, and Sulu prime of his timeline a heterosexual?” Where is the proof for the latter? Come on, he loves fencing. That’s almost ballet ^^

      • bytes

        😀 lol

      • TrekNerd12

        Picard also loved fencing though.

    • Matt Littledyke

      Something I have thought for a while that might also explain Kirk been born in space rather than Iowa which I believe was the original origin of his birth.

  • TrekRules

    One problem – who would care about a warp 5 ship then? NX-01 was a big deal because of its warp 5 engine, a huge jump from what they had before, but if the MACO’s already had a warp 4 ship, why the big deal about a warp 5? Yeah it goes faster but it wouldn’t have been a big deal. Classic JJ universe stuff – just throw something in because you need it in the story without really worrying about how it impacts the universe just like with Khan’s blood.

    • Eric Cheung

      Going from Warp 4 to Warp 5 in the ENT/TOS scale is essentially doubling the speed. So it is a pretty big deal.

      Warp 4 is 64 times the speed of light, Warp 5 is 125c.

    • Jad

      Classic JJ haters stuff. Just throw something out because you need it to give in to the hate. Hate leads to the dark side, young Padawan.

    • Julian Glover

      uh, it’s actually not a jj universe, its the Kelvin Timeline.

  • Trent

    Xindi War ??? It wasn’t a war at all and attack yes ,but not a war as we know them and not one like the Romulan War

    • Justatron

      I took Edison’s comment as “the Xindi” and “the Romulan War” not intending for the word War to apply to both things…they were two separate incidents.

      • Trent

        “I fought for humanity – lost millions to the Xindi and Romulan Wars!”

        Not to be too picky but he did say wars ,
        if you are correct it should have been
        lost millions to the xindi and in the Romulan war .

        • JonShiHuangDi

          We also call it the war in Iraq and Afghanistan except there hasn’t been an official declaration of war since World War 2. The Korean and Vietnam Wars were Military Engagements authorized by Congress.

          • Trent

            That’s true but we don’t refer to the Twin Towers as the 911 war .

          • Roger McCoy

            The Xindi conflict included at minimum the initial attack, fights involving Enteprise, and the final battles in the season 3 finale, not counting anything Starfleet might’ve had other ships doing. Still arguably a “war”, but I’m willing to give a disgruntled MACO some poetic license.

          • Trent

            And you can , I prefer to think there was an actual war after Enterprise we haven’t seen yet .

          • Simon

            War on Terror.

          • Trent

            As opposed to the Xindi Incident {how Memory Alpha refers to the Xindi attack.]

          • Brian Thorn

            Gulf War I and II.

          • Trent

            Those are Wars as opposed to the Xindi Incident {how Memory Alpha refers to the Xindi attack.]

          • Brian Thorn

            The 9/11 incident led to Gulf War II. The Xindi Incident led to the Xindi War.

  • “With the Kelvin timeline, we are not entirely beholden to existing canon, this is an alternate reality and, as such is full of new and alternate possibilities. “BUT WAIT!” I hear you brilliant and beautiful super Trekkies cry, “Canon tells us, Hikaru Sulu was born before the Kelvin incident, so how could his fundamental humanity be altered? Well, the explanation comes down to something very Star Treky; theoretical, quantum physics and the less than simple fact that time is not linear. Sure, we experience time as a contiguous series of cascading events but perception and reality aren’t always the same thing. Spock’s incursion from the Prime Universe created a multidimensional reality shift. The rift in space/time created an entirely new reality in all directions, top to bottom, from the Big Bang to the end of everything. As such this reality was, is and always will be subtly different from the Prime Universe. I don’t believe for one second that Gene Roddenberry wouldn’t have loved the idea of an alternate reality (Mirror, Mirror anyone?). This means, and this is absolutely key, the Kelvin universe can evolve and change in ways that don’t necessarily have to follow the Prime Universe at any point in history, before or after the events of Star Trek ‘09, it can mutate and subvert, it is a playground for the new and the progressive and I know in my heart, that Gene Roddenberry would be proud of us for keeping his ideals alive. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations, this was his dream, that is our dream, it should be everybody’s.”

    – Simon Pegg

    • Adam

      Even if you don’t accept that “time is not linear” like Pegg says, the events of “All Good Things” are almost certainly altered in the new timeline. And since Q and Picard go back to the beginning of life on Earth in that episode, it stands to reason that there were changes across millions or billions of years past.

      • Absolutely, they have changed. I read IDW’s excellent ‘Star Trek: Ongoing’ and it’s funny seeing the Enterprise crew go on adventures that are variations of classic episodes in the Kelvin Timeline.

        They recently met the crew of Deep Space 9 when Q transported them to the future of their timeline and it was INSANE.

        • Rass

          It’s not called “Star Trek: Ongoing.”

          • What’s the series called?

          • Locutus

            Yeah, I hadn’t realized they renamed the IDW series until recently either. They renamed it Star Trek: Five-Year Mission at some point. They will be transitioning the series again in October, I believe.

          • I’m on issue #59 (Pine Kirk woke up in Shatner Kirk’s body and vice versa). The series ends on issue #60 and the new series, ‘Star Trek: Boldly Go’ will replace it with issue #1.

            Can’t wait! It’s a fun series and it’s confirmed to me that ‘Trek’ works better in an episodic format, instead of a giant 2 hour movie.

      • regeekery – JD

        Also, when the crew of the Enterprise-E travelled back to 2163 and sat in with Cochrane for his warp flight and showed Lily what life was like on a 24th century ship, they knocked all kinds of cracks into the timeline. 🙂

        • feenix219

          There has been speculation that after First Contact, history was changed so that Archer’s ship was named Enterprise, instead of whatever it would have been initially. 😉

          And somewhere in the 80s, there are still time remnants of the original crew wandering around San Francisco, and on a military base in the 60s.

          All timelines share a common past. Its quite… timey whimey.

          • regeekery – JD

            wibbly wobbly I like the idea that because of the altered history Archer’s ship got that name

          • killerbee267

            Also in the reboot timeline there is a copy of data’s head in a cave on earth, and we know it is because alternate universe Yar who went back in time with C still existed despite the repairs to the time, at least until she was killed trying to escape.

          • Bob

            ;-]

        • Bill Phil

          I’m pretty sure Enterprise was named after OV-101 Enterprise, the first space shuttle Orbiter. Columbia was the second Orbiter ( I think) and thus the second Warp 5 ship, NX-02 Columbia.

    • Rass

      Sulu wasn’t altered. At no point in TOS or in the movies was Sulu said to be straight. He never had a love story.

      • Tyler Slade Homer

        He chased after a Klingon woman in Star Trek V with Chekov.

        • mswood666

          No he didn’t. Sulu and Chekov were walking behind the physical impressive female Klingon Warrior. Chekov comments about her nice muscles and then Sulu smirks. Both turn away once another klingon shows up. Now is he smirking at his friend. At his friend’s comment, or his he making some agreement about her physically well defined body? None of those options indicate a sexual preference. I am absolutely a gay man, not bisexual. Gay. Yet I can absolutely appreciate the female body. i just don’t want to have sex with a woman. Sulu is literally the only main character out of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Sulu, Uhura, Chekov, Chapel, Rand that we don’t have a scene in either tv show or film, showing Sulu being on date, kissing, mention being married to a member of the opposite sex, mentions of dating the opposite, or even a verbal mention off liking the opposite sex. While clearly he wasn’t written as a gay or bisexual, and Takei wasn’t acting as if his backstory was that of a gay or bisexual man. Sulu never the less is the one primary character out of TOS that you could have him be that way and not violate any canon as shown on screen.

          • Steve Gallant

            Although we can’t confirm that Hikaru Sulu actually fathered Demora (his daughter as established in ST:Gen), it seems to be strongly suggested that his is her biological father (based on cultural similarities). However, I accept that he could have adopted her, and this would neither confirm nor deny any particular sexual orientation on his part. (Image source, IMDB.)

          • Tristan

            You really think that in 200 years we can’t just take genetic material from two dudes and make a baby? Hell, we can almost do it now.

            Adoption is a viable possibility, but he could easily be her biological father. Or they could have a surrogate mother impregnated with his sperm. Such things happen now.

          • Julian Glover

            couldent sulu just be bi? that would solve everything

          • James Bray

            Haha, I thought the same. The Kelvin incident just caused him to meet a different person!

          • LS650

            They don’t have turkey basters in the future?

          • Ctrl-Opt-Del

            In the 23rd century it could be possible to create a viable ovum using the genetic material from two sperms…

        • Eric

          Speaking of Star Trek V, what do you think Sulu and Chekov where doing in the woods? hmm….

    • Bob

      Brings up interesting questions regarding divergence within the new timeline: what might be the fate of Voyager in the KT? Will there be a Maquis threat? A DS-9?

      • Without spoiling anything, I’d heartily recommend reading IDW’s ‘Star Trek: The Q Gambit’.

        It takes place in the Kelvin Timeline and I think you’ll have MOST of your questions answered 🙂

        • Bob

          Thanks! I appreciate the info!

  • Igor Marić

    As if there was need for one more stupid and ugly ship… It would be fantastic if they have used NX class ship for this purpose.

    • DamienL

      I actually quite like this design and I’m a big fan of the NX class…

      Though I do wish some of the finishing details were a little closer to the NX class.

  • Justatron

    I would imagine that with the absorption of the Earth starfleet into the greater UFP Starfleet, there would be some registry oddities…it’s simpler to let older, established ships like the Franklin just keep their existing numbers rather than going back to all these old ships and creating a new system. Let the new UFP Starfleet ships start over and just let the old ones be…

  • Jed Raybould

    Great article! Just a question to ask here. Does this mean there could have been an Enterprise with a Warp 1 engine, another Enterprise with a Warp 2, an Enterprise with a Warp 3 engine and finally another Enterprise with a Warp 4 engine? Could the Enterprise we have seen throughout the TV Show have had the Warp 1 thru 4 engines before being retrofitted with the Warp 5 engine?

    • TrekNerd12

      The Phoenix was the first Warp 1 ship, and the NX-Alpha, -Beta, and -Delta were the predecessors of the Enterprise. All three were prototypes to try to work up to a Warp 5 engine.

      It would appear that the Franklin might have come before those three prototypes, or concurrently.

      • Jed Raybould

        Thank you for clearing it up. I am just wondering what the first ship was named with the Warp 4 engine when you take the Franklin’s registry number.

      • STEPHEN ARCHER

        Absolutely and we can narrow it down further yet,
        canonically: Duvall broke warp 3 in 2144, and the keel was laid for NX-01 five
        years after, 2149. Discounting timey-wimey disruptions caused by Nero’s incursion we can say the Franklin came between the above dates.

        • regeekery – JD

          wibbly wobbly…

        • feenix219

          So the Franklin was basically NX-Epsilon before it was recomissioned as an NX registry ship (325 enlistments in the Fleet after NX-01 was successful), maybe?

      • Julian Glover

        the nx-delta actually shares a lot of simularities with the Franklin.

    • Michael McGuire

      The Enterprise seen in the original TV series did appear to have several hardware upgrades, in early episodes.

    • Thomas Elkins
      • Brian Thorn

        That was UESPA, not Starfleet.

        • Mike Stein

          UESPA built every ship through the Enterprise-B, look at the dedication plaques.

          • Brian Thorn

            Huh? The TOS Enterprise’s plaque simply reads;

            USS ENTERPRISE
            STARSHIP CLASS
            SAN FRANCISCO, CALIF

          • Mike Stein

            In “Tomorrow is Yesterday” Kirk makes clear that UESPA built and maintains all of the Constitution-Class starships (this is while they were still figuring out what Starfleet and the Federation were). If you look at the Enterprise-B dedication plaque, you will see it was built by UESPA. It’s an in-joke by the Okudas to try and explain UESPA and establishes that UESPA was in existence building/maintaining starships through at least 2293. The Earth Starfleet logos also show that it was affiliated with UESPA in Enterprise.

        • Thomas Elkins

          Starfleet fell under the jurisdiction of UESPA. At least it did in the 22nd and 23rd centuries.

    • JD

      Kirk’s Enterprise was had traveled insane warp speeds up to and including warp 22. In 2270, the Enterprise was accelerated to speeds in the excess of warp 22, while being linked to Karla Five’s vessel with a tractor beam. (TAS: “The Counter-Clock Incident”). Of course the above mentioned vessel could travel at warp 36.

      However, in the 23rd century, warp factors of 10 and higher were known as generally unsafe velocities. (TOS: “Journey to Babel”) They were called multiwarp speeds. (TOS: “The Changeling”)

      In 24th century warp theory, warp factor 10 had been redesignated to correspond with infinite velocity. (Soon after it aired the episode VOY: “Threshold” was deemed non-canon because it contradicted the other Star Trek series set in the 24th century) A vessel traveling at warp 10 occupied all points in the universe simultaneously. Warp 10 was also known as the transwarp threshold. (VOY: “Threshold”) Warp 10 had also become a slang term referring to anything extremely fast. Kathryn Janeway made the observation in 2376 that rumors traveled fast on the USS Voyager. Chakotay agreed with Janeway, quipping at “warp 10.” (VOY: “The Voyager Conspiracy”)

      Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual (p. 55) states the actual speed values of a warp factor are dependent upon interstellar conditions, for example gas density, electric and magnetic fields in different regions of the galaxy, and fluctuations of the subspace domain. Also quantum drag forces and motive power oscillation cause energy penalties to a ship using warp drive.

      Star Trek Maps (p. 6) introduced a similar concept as the Cochrane’s factor, that influences the actual speed by multiplying it. It can be as high as a multiplication of 1500 to the relative speed within the curvature of space caused by the interstellar dust and gas of a galaxy, and as little as 1 in the empty intergalactic void. In the vicinity of massive objects it is so high that disproportionately high speeds are created when approaching them, and they tend to result in the slingshot effect. Between the galaxies there is only the empty void, so the speed follows only the basic cubic formula. (see below) Within the interstellar medium of Federation space the average value for the Cochrane’s factor has been calculated to be 1292.7238. This value explains for example the ball park of the fast relative speed equivalent for warp factor 8.4 from TOS: “That Which Survives”: 8.43 x 1292.7238 = 766202.57 times the speed of light.

      In his initial draft proposal, Star Trek is…, Gene Roddenberry established the maximum velocity of the starship as “.73 of one light year per hour”. This would translate to a top speed of approximately 6,400 c (equivalent to TOS warp 18.57, or somewhere between TNG warp 9.9 and 9.99).

      The original warp scale was described in the writer’s guide, The Star Trek Guide, (third revision, p. 8) as a set of warp factors and multiples of lightspeed that can be obtained by raising a warp factor to the third power. [3]. This information appeared in widespread print in The Making of Star Trek (1968, p. 191). The book also states a shift in relative time occurs while traveling at warp, an hour might equal to three hours experienced outside the ship. (p. 198) In 1975, the warp scale given a more technical gloss in Franz Joseph’s Star Fleet Technical Manual, now extended to include warp factors below 1. In 1977 Roddenberry again adopted the scale for the abortive Star Trek: Phase II series, but abandoned it for The Next Generation series. It was not until the the 2003 episode “First Flight” of Star Trek: Enterprise, that the warp factor scale made an official on screen debut. Warp factors from 1 to 5 were depicted with their corresponding relative speed values on a large computer graphic.

      The scale used by Starfleet in the 22nd and 23rd century is based on a geometric progression, where the speed of a vessel (measured in multiples of c, the speed of light) is equal to the cube of the given warp factor. The warp factor was calculated as follows:

      wf=sqrt[3]{frac{v}{c}}
      with
      v being the speed of the signal or starship
      c being the speed of light (3.0 × 108 m/s) and
      wf being the resulting warp factor
      Or, to calculate speed (v) in terms of c, the formula would be:

      v=wf^{3}c
      At warp 1, a starship would reach c; at warp 6, it would reach 216 c. This is a much slower speed than initially proposed by Roddenberry

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      Warp factor was the primary means of measuring speeds attained using warp drive. An alternative term time-warp factor was also used. (TOS: “The Cage”) The term was often shortened to warp when followed by its value, so that saying “warp six” is the same as saying “warp factor six.” Faster-than-light travel began after warp one, whereas lower fractional values were sometimes used to measure sublight speeds. (Star Trek: The Motion Picture; Star Trek; ENT: “First Flight” display graphic) Spacecraft ordinarily traveled at a higher integer warp factor.

      By the 24th century, infinite velocity was designated as warp factor ten. It was considered to be unattainable by conventional means. (VOY: “Threshold”) Because of this, extremely high warp factors were indicated with fractional values between nine and ten, such as warp 9.975. (TNG: “Encounter at Farpoint”; VOY: “Caretaker”)

      According to Geoffrey Mandel’s reference book Star Trek Maps, the alternative term “time-warp” used in TOS: “The Cage” [1] is so called due to the time dilation effects that occur during warp travel.
      Subspace communication speeds have also been given high warp factors in several reference materials.

      Warp factor vs. average speed

      The following is a list of warp factor values that have been given a relativistic speed equivalent on screen. Average speeds are typically calculated from given values for travel time and distance. Some figures were depicted in charts and others given as statements in dialogue. See: Variations in relative speed for more information.
      Warp factor Average speed (*c) Distance traveled Travel time Reference
      .5 0.304 – 0.496 ~3.95 – 6.45 AU (Earth-Jupiter) 1.8 hours Star Trek: The Motion Picture
      1 1 depicted in warp factor chart ENT: “First Flight”
      2 8 depicted in warp factor chart ENT: “First Flight”
      3 27 depicted in warp factor chart ENT: “First Flight”
      3 39 0.102 light years 23 hours TNG: “The Most Toys”
      3 487 4 light years 3 days ENT: “Damage”
      4.4 100 30,000,000 km 1 second ENT: “Broken Bow”
      4.5 79.7 – 87.2 ~57.5 – 62.92AU (Earth-Neptune and back) 6 minutes ENT: “Broken Bow”
      5 200 50 light years (Earth-An area inside the Delphic Expanse) ~3 months ENT: “The Expanse”, “The Xindi”
      6+ 0.02 10,000 kilometer intervals as a Klingon D7 approached ~2 seconds per interval TOS: “Elaan of Troyius”
      8.4 765,000 ~990 light years 11.337 hours TOS: “That Which Survives”
      9 834 approximately 300 billion kilometers (0.032 light years) ~20 minutes TNG: “Bloodlines”
      9.9 21,473 about 4 billion miles [1] (0.0007 light years) 1 second VOY: “The 37’s”
      9.975 1,554 – 1,721 132 light years 1 month VOY: “Relativity”, “Friendship One”
      9.975 2,922 40 light years 5 days VOY: “Relativity”, “Scorpion, Part II”
      10 ∞ ∞ 0 VOY: “Threshold”
      n/a [2] 8,300 2.5 million light years (to Andromeda Galaxy) 300 years TOS: “By Any Other Name”
      ↑ Although Tom Paris clearly articulates the distance and time,it is unclear if he was engaging in hyperbole since these parameters indicate that, at warp factor 9.9 as specified, 75,000 light-years can be traversed in less than 3.5 years.
      ↑ The Kelvans modified the USS Enterprise to travel at warp eleven through the Galactic barrier. They did not clarify whether the same warp factor would have been used for intergalactic travel also.
      Warp ten and above

      Multiwarp speeds

      An Orion scout ship at warp 10
      In the 23rd century, warp factors of 10 and higher were known as generally unsafe velocities. (TOS: “Journey to Babel”) They were called multiwarp speeds. (TOS: “The Changeling”)

      Warp factor 10. In 2267, the USS Enterprise engaged an Orion scout ship capable of warp 10, if not higher speeds, since crew safety was of no concern to them, prompting Spock to remark that it was “interesting.” The ship was too fast for the Enterprise to hit it with phasers or photon torpedoes. (TOS: “Journey to Babel”) In 2268, Bele, upon commandeering the engine and directional controls of the Enterprise, propelled the starship faster than warp 10 towards Cheron. (TOS: “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield”)
      Warp factor 11. In 2267, the Nomad probe improved efficiency in the antimatter input valve and energy release controls on the Enterprise, allowing the ship to achieve at least warp 11. When this happened, Montgomery Scott was in disbelief. Captain James T. Kirk ordered Nomad to reverse the modifications though, as the structure of the Enterprise was not designed to handle the stress of that much power output. (TOS: “The Changeling”) In 2268, the Kelvans who commandeered the ship made similar modification. At that time the ship could maintain warp 11 without danger. (TOS: “By Any Other Name”)
      According to the Star Trek Spaceflight Chronology (p. 180) and Mr. Scott’s Guide to the Enterprise (p. 14), after the refit of the Constitution-class USS Enterprise in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, the maximum speed of the ship was warp factor 12.
      Warp factor 14. In 2268, the Enterprise achieved a speed of warp 14.1 when the engine of the ship was sabotaged to overload by a Kalandan planetary defense system. At that velocity the ship came within moments of destroying itself. (TOS: “That Which Survives”)
      Warp factor 15. In 2267, the Nomad probe was armed with a weapon system capable of firing energy bolts that traveled at the speed of warp 15. (TOS: “The Changeling”)

      Karla Five’s vessel capable of warp 36
      In the comic book A Warp in Space set in the late-2260s, Starfleet tested the prototype Warp 15 engine on several test ships. Zefram Cochrane also devised modifications to the USS Enterprise that allowed the ship to achieve the speed, though the ship was almost torn apart at that velocity.
      Warp factor 22. In 2270, the Enterprise was accelerated to speeds in the excess of warp 22, while being linked to Karla Five’s vessel with a tractor beam. (TAS: “The Counter-Clock Incident”)
      Warp factor 36. In 2270, the Enterprise encountered Karla Five’s vessel, that was about to enter the Beta Niobe nova. At maximum speed, the ship was traveling at approximately warp 36. (TAS: “The Counter-Clock Incident”)
      Infinite velocity (Non-Canon)

      In 24th century warp theory, warp factor 10 had been redesignated to correspond with infinite velocity. (Soon after it aired the episode VOY: “Threshold” was deemed non-canon because it contradicted the other Star Trek series set in the 24th century) A vessel traveling at warp 10 occupied all points in the universe simultaneously. Warp 10 was also known as the transwarp threshold. (VOY: “Threshold”) Warp 10 had also become a slang term referring to anything extremely fast. Kathryn Janeway made the observation in 2376 that rumors traveled fast on the USS Voyager. Chakotay agreed with Janeway, quipping at “warp 10.” (VOY: “The Voyager Conspiracy”)

      The slang term was also used in the script for DS9: “Sons and Daughters”, where Alexander Rozhenko’s adrenaline was described as “pumping at warp 10.” [2]
      According to Star Trek: Starship Spotter, the redesignation of warp 10 as infinite speed occurred in 2312. The warp factor specifications prior to 2312 were rated by Starfleet using the Original Cochrane Unit warp scale, abbreviated as the OCU. Warp factors after 2312 use the Modified Cochrane Unit warp scale, abbreviated as the MCU.
      Warp factor 10-. In 2364, the Traveler used the energy of his thoughts to move the USS Enterprise-D through space at a speed that registered on instruments as exceeding warp factor 10 and going off the warp scale. (TNG: “Where No One Has Gone Before”)
      According to Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual (p. 55), the ship didn’t actually achieve warp 10 or go beyond it, but it did travel at the extreme speed of about Warp 9.9999999996. This would be confirmed in “Threshold” where Tom Paris becomes the first Human to travel at warp 10.
      Warp factor 10. Although considered a theoretical impossibility at the time, Tom Paris of the USS Voyager reached the warp 10 threshold in 2372, using shuttlecraft Cochrane which was equipped with a transwarp drive and an extraordinarily rare form of dilithium discovered earlier that year. After it was discovered that such travel induced hyper-evolution, this technology was discontinued after the initial test. (VOY: “Threshold”)
      Warp factor 10+. It was possible to travel backwards in time by surpassing warp 10. In 2365, Captain Jean-Luc Picard and Commander William Riker speculated on what phenomenon could have thrown the El-Baz back through time. While Riker knew the shuttlepod didn’t have warp drive, he still suggested the theory that it could have somehow accelerated beyond warp 10. Picard suggested this could have been achieved by a warp-powered slingshot using the gravitational pull of a star. (TNG: “Time Squared”)
      Alternate timelines

      An alternative future USS Enterprise-D refitted for warp 13
      In an alternative future, around the turning point of the 24th to 25th century, warp factor values beyond warp 10 were again used to describe extremely fast speeds. (TNG: “All Good Things…”)

      Warp factor 13. The Enterprise-D traveled at warp 13 in the incident concerning the anti-time eruption in the Devron system. (TNG: “All Good Things…”)
      In the October 1995 issue of OMNI, science advisor Andre Bormanis stated the idea of warp factors beyond 10 in the alternative future was in a recalibration of the warp scale, as ships had gotten faster. Possibly warp 15 was set to be the transwarp threshold instead, according to Bormanis, and warp 13 in that scale would have been the equivalent of warp 9.95 of the previous scale.
      According to Star Trek Encyclopedia, (3rd ed. p. 555) warp 13 from “All Good Things…” may also allude to some type of implementation of the Federation transwarp drive technology from VOY: “Threshold”.
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      Variations in relative speed

      Although formulas to calculate a relative speed from a warp factor have existed in the writer’s guides, these were rarely used for reference in the episodes and films. To explain the apparent discontinuities of relative speed equivalents for warp factor speeds, reference sources have given several explanations:

      Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual (p. 55) states the actual speed values of a warp factor are dependent upon interstellar conditions, for example gas density, electric and magnetic fields in different regions of the galaxy, and fluctuations of the subspace domain. Also quantum drag forces and motive power oscillation cause energy penalties to a ship using warp drive.
      Star Trek Maps (p. 6) introduced a similar concept as the Cochrane’s factor, that influences the actual speed by multiplying it. It can be as high as a multiplication of 1500 to the relative speed within the curvature of space caused by the interstellar dust and gas of a galaxy, and as little as 1 in the empty intergalactic void. In the vicinity of massive objects it is so high that disproportionately high speeds are created when approaching them, and they tend to result in the slingshot effect. Between the galaxies there is only the empty void, so the speed follows only the basic cubic formula. (see below) Within the interstellar medium of Federation space the average value for the Cochrane’s factor has been calculated to be 1292.7238. This value explains for example the ball park of the fast relative speed equivalent for warp factor 8.4 from TOS: “That Which Survives”: 8.43 x 1292.7238 = 766202.57 times the speed of light.
      The slowing down effect of moving away from a source of gravity to the relative speed has been well established in canon. For example in Star Trek, the Enterprise is at maximum warp but is not moving in space at all, due to the gravity of a black hole behind it. Similarly, in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, the HMS Bounty engages warp speed while in the atmosphere of Earth, and it takes over two minutes in the film for the ship to achieve and break out of Earth’s orbit. In TOS: “Elaan of Troyius”, a D7-class starship moving away from a star system at a speed better than warp 6 is moving slower than the speed of light. In some areas of space with unstable or disrupted subspace, it is impossible to use warp drive at all, as was established in such episodes as VOY: “Bride of Chaotica!” and “The Omega Directive”.

      Many examples of more subtle variations exist. For example, in “By Any Other Name”, the Kelvans modified the USS Enterprise to accelerate to a speed of warp 11 in order to safely cross the galactic barrier. If this was also meant to represent the velocity of travel to the Andromeda Galaxy, a travel time of 300 years would indicate a far greater speed than can be derived from the basic cubic scale from the writer’s guide. Warp 8.4 was stated to be much faster in “That Which Survives” than warp 9.9 in “The 37’s”. In TNG: “Allegiance”, warp 7 was stated to be about 55 times faster than warp factor 2, again confirming that fluctuations in the relative speeds exist that are not covered by the basic formula.

      Star Trek: The Original Series

      In his initial draft proposal, Star Trek is…, Gene Roddenberry established the maximum velocity of the starship as “.73 of one light year per hour”. This would translate to a top speed of approximately 6,400 c (equivalent to TOS warp 18.57, or somewhere between TNG warp 9.9 and 9.99).

      The original warp scale was described in the writer’s guide, The Star Trek Guide, (third revision, p. 8) as a set of warp factors and multiples of lightspeed that can be obtained by raising a warp factor to the third power. [3]. This information appeared in widespread print in The Making of Star Trek (1968, p. 191). The book also states a shift in relative time occurs while traveling at warp, an hour might equal to three hours experienced outside the ship. (p. 198) In 1975, the warp scale given a more technical gloss in Franz Joseph’s Star Fleet Technical Manual, now extended to include warp factors below 1. In 1977 Roddenberry again adopted the scale for the abortive Star Trek: Phase II series, but abandoned it for The Next Generation series. It was not until the the 2003 episode “First Flight” of Star Trek: Enterprise, that the warp factor scale made an official on screen debut. Warp factors from 1 to 5 were depicted with their corresponding relative speed values on a large computer graphic.

      The scale used by Starfleet in the 22nd and 23rd century is based on a geometric progression, where the speed of a vessel (measured in multiples of c, the speed of light) is equal to the cube of the given warp factor. The warp factor was calculated as follows:

      wf=sqrt[3]{frac{v}{c}}
      with
      v being the speed of the signal or starship
      c being the speed of light (3.0 × 108 m/s) and
      wf being the resulting warp factor
      Or, to calculate speed (v) in terms of c, the formula would be:

      v=wf^{3}c
      At warp 1, a starship would reach c; at warp 6, it would reach 216 c. This is a much slower speed than initially proposed by Roddenberry.

      Using this scale:

      Warp factor Calculated speed (*c) Distance traveled in 24 hours (*light years) Travel time from Earth to Alpha Centauri
      0.5 0.125 0.0003 34.64 years
      1 1 0.003 4.33 years
      2 8 0.022 197.69 days
      3 27 0.074 58.57 days
      4 64 0.175 24.71 days
      5 125 0.342 12.65 days
      6 216 0.591 7.32 days
      7 343 0.939 4.61 days
      8 512 1.402 3.09 days
      9 729 1.996 52.07 hours
      10 1000 2.738 37.96 hours
      11 1331 3.644 28.52 hours
      Star Trek: The Next Generation

      According to the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual, the warp factor scale used by Starfleet in the 24th century was based on a recalibration of the scale used in the Original Series. Rather than a simple geometric progression based on relative speed, warp factors were established to be based upon the amount of power required to transition from one warp plateau to another. For example, the power to initially get to warp factor 1 was much more than the power required to maintain it; likewise warp 2, 3, 4, and so on. Those transitional power points rather than observed speed were then assigned the integer warp factors. These transitional points were established to apply to the original warp scale as well in the canonical warp chart presented in “First Flight”.

      According to a Star Trek: The Magazine article by André Bormanis, this scale change occurred in 2312. A term was added to the above equation that caused the speed to rise slightly at lower warp factor, but to become infinite at warp 10. The ratio v/c at a given warp factor is equal to the corresponding cochrane value that describes the subspace distortion.

      The 24th century scale was created at the start of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Gene Roddenberry stated that he wanted to avoid the ever-increasing warp factors used in the original series to force added tension to the story, and so imposed the limit of warp 10 as infinite speed.

      For warp factors up to 9, the revised formula became:

      wf=sqrt[{frac{10}{3}}]{frac{v}{c}}
      with
      v being the speed of the signal or starship
      c being the speed of light (3.0 × 108 m/s) and
      wf being the resulting warp factor
      Or, to calculate speed in terms of c (up to warp 9), the formula would be:

      speed=wf^{frac{10}{3}}c
      In this case, warp 1 is equivalent to c (as it was in the 23rd century scale), but above warp 9 the speed increases exponentially, approaching infinity as the warp factor approaches 10.

      So basically there is no consistency with regards to the Warp Factor

      • Rass

        “Threshold” was never deemed non-canon. Crap, yes. Poorly written, yes. Complete and utter shit, yes. But never non-canon.

        • JD

          Yes it was. It’s considered non canon because the warp factors don’t match. The above was all from memory alpha.

          • Brian Thorn

            Doesn’t matter. What’s on screen is canon, warts and all (and ‘Threshold’ was all warts.) Memory Alpha doesn’t get to pick and choose.

          • JD

            Nonsense. By that right you can put anything on screen and call it canon.

          • Brian Thorn

            You don’t seem to get it. Canon is not something we decide on, so you and I can’t decide what is and isn’t canon. Neither can Memory Alpha. If it is on screen, it is canon, period.

          • JD

            Riiiiiiight. So now it’s canon that Sulu is gay right?

          • Brian Thorn

            Now you’re catching on. Canon is meant to prevent arguments precisely like this one. There is no list of episodes that are canon and aren’t canon that everyone has to find and make sure is up to date. Instead, what is on screen is canon, warts and all.

          • JD

            Nope not how that works

          • Brian Thorn

            It has worked this way for 50 years.

          • David

            JD, canon is what is aired on television or the movie screen, period. If you’re going to continue arguing, all you’re doing is trolling. It has been accepted since the 70’s by Paramount and fandom uniformly that live-action aired is canon. The only wiggle space is with TAS. Gene said it wasn’t canon because it was animated. Some details later were incorporated in live-action films and Enterprise. Brian is 100% correct.

          • This is generally true. But there are at least two exceptions.

            * In a Next Generation episode, Riker orders the ship to warp 6. Geordi (who was at the helm) responds with “Aye aye, sir. Full impulse.” Despite the fact that this made it to the screen, we know that warp 6 does not equal full impulse.

            * I can remember reading that Star Trek V had been mostly or nearly totally de-canonised. For instance, there is no “Great Barrier” in the Trek universe. Almost everything that happened in that film just doesn’t count.

            So, while the principle “what happens on screen is canon” is a good starting point, there is wiggle room to account for errors in production (as in that Next Generation line) and for, um, whatever errors in artistic judgement account for the making of Star Trek V.

      • Fctiger

        OK it was no way in hell more than 5 people read that but I loved it for all its nerdiness lol. In a good way. Look how devotion is given to stuff just utterly made up by writers. But you’re right its the consistency and internal logic to it all why we love canon so much and yeah there are probably a lot of hiccups concerning warp factors. But one movie talked about a small ship which end of the day was nothing more than a homage and look at how much conversation it bore out. And you have managed to referenced nearly every show to debate it weaving in technical manuals and specific episodes. This is hardcore Trek at its finest.

  • bytes

    Debates aside, this movie is a huge shout out to Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, for the ENT era they created. Paramount had no obligation to give them this much credit. Regardless of potential nit pick mistakes, I would be honored.

    • Fctiger

      It is quite funny the show that people said ‘killed’ Star Trek is now getting so much recognition with the series that ‘saved’ it. As a Trek nerd I’m just happy there is a deep dive into canon again and that these films don’t ignore what came before. I would still like a crossover of some kind. T’Pol should still be living around this time at least.

      • regeekery – JD

        That’s it that’s it, you’ve put into words exactly what my unvoiced feelings about this are: “It is quite funny the show that people said ‘killed’ Star Trek is now getting so much recognition with the series that ‘saved’ it.”

        I LOVE that the canon history that ENTERPRISE showed us is not only called on in the Kelvin timeline but it’s being EXPANDED ON. When I was watching Trek ’09 in the theater I was giddy at the mentions of Archer and Porthos just because it was nice that the prequel show wasn’t being overlooked. But man I never dreamed they’d do such a deep dive that a whole new chapter would be added to the continuity pre-ENT like this. God this is so exciting, I love it, I hope it keeps up in future sequels too. I want to see a Denobulan in one of these movies, in fact I’m surprised we haven’t yet.

        • originaluddite .

          Yes to a Denubulan but I’d also like to see some Andorians and Tellarites (ENT era makeup). I’m sure the producers love inventing new prosthetics but a few more such appearances would further anchor the new movies.

          • Aaron Patrick Morse

            Would LOVE to see Andorians and Tellarites.. especially since their supposed to be founding members of the Federation and all.

        • driven01

          I want to see an older, Admiral Archer. 🙂

          • vectorpicasso

            Depending on exactly when Scotty transported away Archer’s prized beagle, he would have been nearing 140 years old.

          • so about the same age as Admiral McCoy in the first episode of TNG then cool “I don’t see no points on your ears boy, but you sound like a Vulcan” to Data lol

          • Bob

            I agree that the next ST Kelvin Timeline movie, or the Discovery series, should bring us some Enterprise cameos. Admiral Archer appearing as a dignitary at the launch of Discovery would be nice, but T’Pol as a recurring character would be fantastic… the Vulcan at that point would have been transformed closer to the attitudes we know from TOS. And since we found out during ENT, In a Mirror Darkly, that Hoshi ultimately invented the Universal Translator, it would be nice to see her as well.

          • Dusty Ayres

            Sadly, (supposedly) according to canon, Hoshi Sato was killed on Tarsus IV by Kodos and his forces.

        • Fctiger

          So glad we see it the same way! 🙂 I was not a huge fan of Enterprise when it ran but I’m a Trek fan, if its canon its canon and I loved the fact everything in the universe (or universes) gets recognized to a degree. And it just makes sense to really highlight Enterprise because there is still so much we don’t know about that period and I love that these films and that show now has a symbiotic relationship in a way.

          And you know my little T’Pol statement I made it really eating me inside now because it hit me it wouldve been SO great if T’Pol was in the film and deliver the message to Spock that Prime Spock was dead. That wouldve been such an euphoric moment lol. Like when Janeway showed up in Nemesis to give Picard the assignment. I know not everyone loved her but I nearly jumped out of my seat when I saw her appear lol. We love stuff like that! 😉

          • Dale Sexton

            I for one hope to see her sometime in the new Star Trek Discovery series.

        • Dusty Ayres

          That Archer has to be a son or daughter of Jonathan Archer; there’s no way that Archer would still be alive in the 23rd century.

          Just sayin’.

      • Kenneth Garza

        I disagree that ST:ENT “killed” star trek. What killed star trek was that star trek at that point has been on TV for 20 straight years without a break and with multiple series running and exploring all over the place as well as Star trek movies all over the place. Mistakes were made with the series but trek was dying towards the end of Voyager for sure. The movies weren’t helping and this was just the last great experiment that didn’t save it.

        • no, being on UPN killed star trek. TNG and DS9 were syndicated, any station could pick them up. halfway though voyager, in the US, only UPN had voyager (and later Enterprise). Many people didn’t have UPN or didn’t want to pay extra for it. That led to poor ratings.

          • Emily

            Luckily, they learned their lesson, and the new series will broadcast on a network that everyone has access to, not on some obscure streaming service that hardly anyone subscribes to.

          • It’s on Netflix Worldwide. You are more wrong than I can say.

          • Kris Webb

            If it’s cancelled in the US, it’ll possibly be cancelled in the rest of the world, too.

          • DoomedToRepeat

            It’s not on Netflix in the US; they chose to use CBS All Access instead…

          • RyanF1

            It is on Netflix in the U.S. I use my VPN while abroad to access the U.S. library and I see it there, not disappear.

          • Ken

            Just got around to reading all these comments. Well, remember, the new Star Trek series is going to be on CBS All Access, a subscription service. Even though I have watched every series since TOS in1966, first run and multiple times in re-run, as well as every movie, I, for one, am not going to subscribe to All Access for one show. I have a feeling that ratings for the new show will be lower than anticipated for the same reason. To put a popular series like Star Trek on any subscription service pretty much guarantees a failure.

          • LS650

            LOL…

          • Bob

            Unfortunately, it won’t be on the “broadcast” version of the network. IMO, that will also restrict viewership/ratings.

          • Dusty Ayres

            If the new show was on CBS Prime, it would probably automatically get low ratings and then be cancelled mid-season, because all that people on CBS Prime want to see is cop shows, sitcoms, sports, the Tony Awards and reality shows (plus that POS ‘sci-fi’ show that Halle Berry was on.)

          • Bob

            You know, these days – considering the proliferation of “basic level” cable stations – it’s too bad that Discovery won’t be on a station proven to be ST friendly: Heroes&Icons. Just sayin’.

          • Dusty Ayres

            Why would it want to be? There’s nothing wrong with CBS All Access except for the fact that people like you don’t want to pay for it even though the cost per month is lower than cable.

          • Bob

            Wow, that sounds a bit nasty. I think there are legitimate concerns regarding any new series. First is how quickly it finds and maintains its audience. Will CBS All-Access give it time if it’s a slow starter? That leads to a related question, regarding character and story arcs, and who will control them.

          • Dusty Ayres

            Not going to be on that channel either,since it has low availability in the USA and Canada, just to name a few places. People have to start dealing with the changes in TV watching, and they can either put up or quit the bellyaching and do without this new Star Trek show.

          • Les Moonves killed Enterprise, which killed Star Trek.

          • RyanF1

            How could you “not have UPN or have to pay extra for it” at the time? It was an Over-the-Air Broadcast Station which you could get for free with an antenna. I used to watch it in L.A. as UPN13.
            If you had Cable TV Service, then it would have also been included in any Basic Package as a Required Local Station same as ABC, CBS, NBC and later, FoxTV.

          • Bradley Faux

            Because not all places had an afilite station for upn during voyager it was on fox but it stopped and the only way I got to see it was the video tape that us trekkers passed around at school one of them had a satalite dish and taped it for us then finally our wb affiliate picked it up for the last season then the last two seasons of ent were switched to our NBC affiliate late night in fact if the switch from upn and the wb would’ve been sooner might have saved ent

          • RyanF1

            Well FoxTV is also free over-the-air and not a Cable Channel. If you lived so far from their transmitter tower then it’s not their fault. Nobody pays extra in that case, you do what country people do: fix yourself a bigger antenna and get all the free stations you’re entitled to, local affiliates or not.

        • Fctiger

          I agree with you completely Kenneth. I was only saying that Enterprise was basically the show that ended the long streak of the franchise when it was cancelled. I never really considered Trek dead hence why I put ‘killed’ in parenthesis. 😉

          But yes for a lot of people they do see it that way because the franchise did essentially get a big reboot with these movies but I definitely get your point and has always believed if they actually LISTENED to Rick Berman and gave Trek a breather after Voyager by not putting on a Trek show so soon Enterprise probably wouldve had a different reception. Take a break for awhile, just have 1 or 2 more films come out and then put on another show in 3-4 years. But of course studios don’t think that way in the money is coming in. Yes it just ran on too long, Enterprise stumbled a bit out of the gate and by that time people just stopped caring basically.

          Hopefully the new show will change that and these films for better or for worse are popular enough to keep peoples interest at least.

        • GonzoI

          What killed Star Trek wasn’t how long it had been on. It was a series of very bad decisions in the direction of the franchise.

          The major decline in viewership began during Voyager after an initial surge in interest, so it’s more fair to say Voyager killed the franchise. While Voyager has it’s fans, the series suffered terribly from cheesy gimmick references to pop culture, and it was an extreme step back from the more fleshed out reality that DS9 had just established. A lot of us also felt the writing became a lot less intelligent during Voyager (Q’s son stripping 7 of 9 for a gag, for example).

          Fans were losing hope by the time Enterprise was announced, and casting Scott Bakula who was virtually typecast for the target audience was a bad blow to begin with. The writing of the first season was a worsening of the writing problems some fans complained about in Voyager, with every indication that the franchise was doubling down on the decision to target hormonal teenage males rather than science fiction fans.

          Taking “Star Trek” out of the title lent itself well to mocking, but it also took out brand recognition, which is something so fundamentally against marketing that there’s no legitimate excuse for it.

          The UPN decision after all this was the death knell, though despite what Joe Zasada says below, Voyager was never UPN-exclusive during its 7 year run. Enterprise, however, initially was. That failed miserably and quickly, so syndication began haphazardly, and the networks people were used to watching Star Trek on, weren’t carrying it. You had to know it existed and go looking for it, which isn’t viable for any franchise, but especially not one whose audience has been upset.

        • Brad

          Another argument can be made that Enterprise was on during the height of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. A lot of people know that there are *many* Star Trek fans that serve in the military… Some would argue as many as half of the fan base. What happens when that large portion of a fan base is overseas? Well the ratings drop. I know for a fact that I was deployed from 2003-2005, came back surprised to find Star Trek Enterprise had been canceled. Even though there are ways for us to watch overseas, these aren’t taken into account in regards to the ratings.

        • max Cox

          I agree to some degree. There were some great aspects to ENT, especially the Xindi Storyline and the history it tried to build. The finale of Enterprise however, was a disaster unlike anything ever before seen on anything star trek, except for maybe Star Trek 5, Having Riker and Troi in the finale tied into the Phoenix episode of TNG, was a slap in the face to the entire series and everyone on it, and just made it feel so small and pointless at the end. They could have taken that time to show the beginning of the Earth-Romulan war and it would have been an amazing finale. Also I agree that the movies were disasters towards the end. Nemesis was awful, and could have had Spock in it, since he was still on Romulas trying for reunification. Also Tasha Yar’s daugther could have been in the movie, many wasted opportunities. Insurrection was also a waste of a movie, which did not help Star Trek either. What they should have done, was had a series following Voyagers return to Earth, after Enterprise. Everyone wanted to see that, and when you do not give the fans what they want, they will find something else that will. It is also true that UPN was a horrible place for Star Trek series, I lost UPN where I lived in ohio after season 3 of Voyager. had to watch it years later.

    • FlipORican

      I agree, technically, the Kelvin Timeline didn’t come into existence until Nero encountered the USS Kelvin, hence all events occurring, such as the NX Enterprise, the formation of the UFP, MACOs, and reclassification of the Franklin from NX to USS, remained intact as part of of the history of the Prime Universe and the Kelvin Timeline.

    • Dusty Ayres

      Heck, the second movie (Into Darkness) is also a shout-out to the Berman/Braga/Behr era by way of featuring Section 31 as a subplot.

  • Aaron Juergens

    I just assumed that immediately after the founding of the Federation, Ships were just given a new registry to reflect the new Starfleet. Like, hey, let’s get as many ships as we can into Starfleet so the Federation looks good. Maybe most Early Federation ships still had the NX Registry cause that’s what Archer had on his. The Numbering just went up. For all we know, it could’ve started out looking like the Intrepid, but was refited during the Earth Romulan War, much how many folks think how The Uss Constellation from The Doomsday Machine may have been upgraded to a Constitution Class. It had a registry too low for a Connie, so that’s why people think that. I honestly don’t care, it’s a cool ship, it looks like it fits into the old timeline.

    • Thomas Elkins

      Yeah, Federation vessels didn’t just show up overnight. I’m sure Vulcan and Andorian designs were integrated into the Starfleet for a while until newer designs could be drawn up and constructed. They couldn’t just keep using Starfleet’s registry system so they most likely started over.

      • Roger McCoy

        Love the idea of Vulcan and Tellarite ships gaining NCC (and perhaps some NX) registries. Makes perfect sense too.

      • Julian Glover

        the federation is an alliance. The enterprise, franklin, defiant, voyager, etc. are all earth ships, which are also federation ships, but they are designed and built at or near earth.

        • Mark Naccarato

          We have never seen a non “Earth ship” represent the Federation in 50 years of Star Trek. The Federation obviously adopted the Earth Starfleet designs from the very beginning.

    • Jake Romain

      The Constellation had a lower number than the Enterprise because they went and bought an Enterprise model at the store and swapped the numbers around! LOL

      • Ctrl-Opt-Del

        If only they’d had the good sense to make the registry NCC-1710, then there’d be no inconsistency…

    • Dwight Williams

      I think you’re right on this one. Different registry back when it was part of the United Earth Starfleet. What that was, we don’t yet know.

      • Ctrl-Opt-Del

        As the Warp 3 capable “Intrepid type” was the NV class, with the Intrepid herself being the NV-01, and the Warp 5 capable “Enterprise type” was the NX class; one would assume the Warp 4 capable “Franklin type” was the NW class, and the Franklin’s original registry was NW-01…

        • Mark Naccarato

          The Intrepid-type was never referred to or shown on screen as being “NV class”, nor did any of them have a registry number.
          NV is fanon, not canon.

          • Ctrl-Opt-Del

            I’m sure the original production drawings showed it as the NV-01 & so it’s “in-house canon”, rather than mere “fanon”, even if it’s not “on-screen canon”; the only reason they left the hull oddly blank of all name & registry markings was so that the model could be easily re-used as other Intrepid-type ships without having to redo that part of the texture…

    • Ctrl-Opt-Del

      Indeed, my head-canon is that NCC is for ships constructed by the Federation starfleet & at first all former Earth starfleet ships that were integrated into the Federation starfleet were issued new NX registries in honour of the NX class, and later it was decided to also use that as the registry for experimental Federation ships, as it sounded like a good fit…

    • Bob

      From what I recall reading regarding TOS Ebterprise, NCC-1701 was the first, and premiere, ship of the brand-new Constitution-class fleet. But it’s also true that, while some Cinstitution-class vessels (Defiant, for example) looked identical to Enterprise, remember that TOS had extremely limited budgets and couldn’t come up with new designs. By the time of TNG, however, the fleet had mostly one-off unique designs for different ships, even those within the same class. As far as I remember, anyway.

  • gurpsgm

    In Star Trek into darkness Kirk said space combat between ships while warp was impossible. Then the Vengeance shot Enterprise. With that exception space combat was done at STL speeds. So, the Franklin, capable of Warp 4, could get to a spot in space to fight albeit slower that a Warp 5 ship. NX-01 flew hundreds, if not, thousands of light years in 10 years. That could be a lot more wear and tear on a Warp 5 ship than a Warp 4.

    • Shadowknight1

      Actually, Kirk didn’t say that. He stated that there was no way the Vengeance could catch up to them, likely operating under the presumption that the Enterprise was still the fastest ship in the fleet.

      • gurpsgm

        I don’t have a copy of the film. Had seen it on TV at least three of four times. Thought I heard him say it.

  • Thomas Elkins

    Man… imagine if they could resurrect Star Trek Enterprise on Netflix. They could bring back Edison and have him participate in the Earth-Romulan War. Since it was also said he fought Xindi, it could be argued that he served aboard the NX-01 during Season 3 and he knows Captain Archer well. Then again when it comes to the Earth-Romulan War, it was said that no human or Romulan ever saw the other face to face, but if you factor in any combat armor that completely covers the wearer they could potentially, (i say potentially), excuse it. Maybe include some smaller ground battles, like the Battle of Cestus III? The Gorn and Kirk’s away team mortared each other but didn’t come face to face until the Metrons intervened and made Kirk fight the Gorn Captain. So any ground engagement between the humans and Romulans could have been similar. I’m just spit-balling here, I know CBS would never do this anyway.

    • Bifash

      I think we’ll defimitely learn more anout Eddison and the Franklin in comics and novels. i’m ready to lap those up like the other Trek novels!

    • regeekery – JD

      Man, it’d be awesome if they’d greenlight a fifth season for Enterpise. I’m certain most the cast would come back for it. I’d be happy if, at the very least, there was a Netflix reunion movie for the NX-01 crew. One last adventure maybe. And it would be a PROPER send off for them instead of that awful series finale where they were all just a holodeck excercise for Riker and Troi. (I’m still annoyed by that.)

      • Jake Wolfe

        Odd as I may be for saying this, I honestly am not bothered by that finale. Never have been. The whole series wasn’t a holodeck recreation, necessarily. And Trip (especially considering his wink to Archer) may have actually lived. There’s a book out there that says Section 31 or Starfleet Intelligence had recruited him for a mission, so who knows? I also think ending the series where it always planned to end, at the Federation’s founding, was a decent way to end the series, given the situation.

      • talkinggoat

        Remember, there are already multiple books written, for post- “These are the Voyages” Although these aren’t officially canon, I consider them to be. They expand on the Romulan war, Rigel and qo’noS, lest we not forget, the Kobayashi Maru. It has been 3 years, since I read them all, so I’m forgetting things in there. I never get tired of anything Trek.

      • Mark Naccarato

        Let’s make this clear: the events in the series “Enterprise” are NOT a holodeck exercise… only the events in the last episode are.
        I really don’t get how people keep screwing this up. It is very obvious that only the last episode takes place during the TNG era.

        • regeekery – JD

          No kidding. I’m well aware of the entire series not being a holodeck. It was absolutely stupid that the final episode of the show framed the critical events as hologram recreations.

      • Dusty Ayres

        How would they do this? Everybody in the cast is doing something else with their lives (Backula’s on NCIS: New Orleans, Montgomery’s doing a kids’s show for Litton Entertainment, Jolene Blalock doesn’t seem interested in Star Trek anymore due to a convention appearance that was a disaster)-I don’t know how this would be accomplished even if (as said above) this was on Netflix.

    • driven01

      yeah, they picked the worst possible time to pull the old Star Trek from NetFlix.

      • It is on Amazon prime and Hulu and CBS all access.

    • Nowhereman10

      … Or Edison was in command of a starship that fought other Romulan ships, hence why he was given command of the Franklin after the Federation’s formation.

    • Dusty Ayres

      It would be much better to have a series of side movies similar to what Lucasfilm Ltd. is doing with the Star Wars franchise (Rouge One and the Han Solo origin movie),one of which could be about Edison and what he did as a MACO during the Romulan (and presumably also) Klingon conflicts, which would be better (IMHO) than what Alec Peters wanted to do (but didn’t) with his con job movie Axanar.

  • Mrplatitude

    Great analysis! I think that it fits in pretty well overall, and its just neat in general that there were so many ENT references in the movie.

    • eucalygon

      I was hoping so much that Kirk would give the order to “polarize the hull plating” a la ENT, but that moment never came. It would have made sense for him to do so, since they took the Franklin into battle. Maybe the NX-01 was the first ship with that defensive feature, or maybe it just didn’t occur to the writers to slip that line in there, but it would have been a really nice callback to an earlier era.

      • driven01

        Scotty did say “I’m polarizing the hull plating”. 🙂

        • I believe he said they had lost polarization to the hull plating.

          • Jeremy Keeler

            That is correct

        • eucalygon

          He did? I missed that! Thanks!

          • William Pickering

            Actually, yes. He said they had lost the polarization, but I think (have to watch it again) he uttered something about having to repolarize the hull plating. Either way, it caused me to pause the movie and explain to my wife how the NX series starships didn’t have shield technology. Instead used hull polarization to fend off weapons of that time (predating photonic torpedoes).

          • Timmy Devo

            Man, all this talk, I’m gonna have to do some Trek-watching over the long weekend.

  • J.

    I could have sworn I saw one screen with NCC-326 on it. Maybe it was just an illusion.

    • Bifash

      Definitely said NX=326 when Scotty shone his torch onto the plaque.

      • J.

        Yes. I saw that. I think I saw NCC-326 on one of the videos.

  • Bifash

    Brilliant article, THANK YOU Trekcore, I loved it!

  • Paul

    Ok, I might be in the minority here, but this is just utter crap of an explanation. To be honest, if you’re going to make a call out to previous incarnations of Star Trek for it’s 50th anniversary, there really shouldn’t be any nit picking arguments going on or deep analyzing of anything. I didn’t really like the movie, but I did like the nod to the Enterprise era since all of that happened prior to the timeline changing. It would have been so much easier to still call back to the Enterprise era if they had just made this the first Warp 6 starship and that it takes place after Enterprise and Columbia. It also would’ve been great if they had just made this the NX-03 to really put things into perspective.

    It would’ve been really great if they were the MACO team that were stationed on the Enterprise during the Xindi incident, since really Enterprise was really the only ship to engage the Xindi in the Expanse (minus the alternate timelines in which the Xindi destroy Earth). It would’ve been a great acknowledgement in saying that for their involvement with that and the Earth/Romulan war, that the MACO team were given their own ship (or really should’ve just been the captain).

    But there’s no need for any of this reclassification or in depth explanation about where this ship fits into the timeline. It’s not necessary to rewrite what happened before Enterprise since look at what happened when the show debuted. And this whole explanation the Simon Pegg is giving that because of Spock Prime coming back in time caused a huge rift in the space time continuum causing all this crap so that they don’t have to bend to canon..just stop. I get he may be a fan and all. We all are. But this comes down to a huge difference being a fan and writing for Star Trek and actually knowing Star Trek at it’s core.

    There are more flaws to this movie other than this, but to me, this just goes to show that this is not Star Trek. Take the title out, change the characters names, and you got yourself a typical sci-fi action movie. Not Star Trek at its core.

    • Bifash

      • regeekery – JD

        I second that emotion.

    • Julian Glover

      it couldent have been nx-03, because of horizon. It’s ship is the nx-04 and looks like the enterprise too.

    • DaMac

      I mostly agree. It was a nice shout out but it makes no sense there was a deep space vessel like this before Archer’s. The whole point of Enterprise was it being the first one. They should have had it be a Romulan war ship built right after Enterprise ended.

      • Mark Naccarato

        Guys just remember… These films take place in a PARALLEL UNIVERSE from Capt. Archer and the NX-01 universe we have seen.

        The JJverse existed alongside the “prime” Trek universe and the Mirror Universe. That explains the Franklin’s registry number and nacelles, and the other inconsistencies with mentions of the Archer era.

        The Kelvinverse didn’t come into existence in 2233 when Spock and Nero arrived. It was always there and the “history” of Capt. Eddison, the Franklin, and the era of Archer probably unfolded slightly differently than in the Prime/Roddenberry universe & the Mirror universe.

    • driven01

      Yes. You are in the minority. 🙂

  • Ricardo Martinelli

    If I am not mistaken, the earth was admitted into the Federation of Planets after 100 years of peace, it was NOT created by Archer and there was NEVER an attack from the Xindi. The original timeline was destroyed with the Enterprise series. War between Vulcans and Andorians, what a nonsense! It all has to do with the self destructive politics of the real XXI century. Gene Roddenberry is rolling in his grave with all these wars in his dream of an evolved future. If you really want to succeed with the new series make it more Science Fiction and less stupid war, we have enough of this stupidity in the real world.

    • Mirror Odo

      I disagree, the reason why Enterprise failed was because they set in in the Past when they should of placed it Post Voyager, they stepped on a lot of toes by putting it in the Past and it contradicted a lot of things in the other shows for example the NCC 1701 was the First Enterprise not the NX 01 and there was no Xindi War I could go on there were many problems with the series. The way I would of done it is Put Star Trek Enterprise post Voyager we have a new Threat that enters our system and it’s the Xindi they attack Starfleet Colonies and destroy ships, so the USS Enterprise E is sent out to fight them off but the Enterprise E gets Destroyed with all Hands lost including Jean Luc Picard, so they have to build a new Enterprise to deal with the Xindi threat and they Build a new NX Enterprise Captained by John Archer, This new Enterprise would be a War Ship and then they would just go on like in season three pushing into the Xindi Expanse, you can make Star Trek about War you just got to do it Properly.

      • Ricardo Martinelli

        You are not wrong, it would be easier to go forward in time, but You are forgetting that DS9 was already a war oriented show, perhaps because of the Star Wars new chapters and the real wars. Again to justify a star trek war oriented series it would have to be around the time of the imaginary WW III. Even conflicts with Klingon, Romulans, Domain, Cardassians, Borg etc would be prevented by the Organians the same way they prevented the Federation to go to war with the Klingons on Errand of Mercy – Original Series – Season 01 Episode 26. Nevertheless the Enterprise series has some great episodes with very good si-fi plot. Of course that would still be enough small conflicts to allow some chapters to look like the space cowboy show that the producers asked Gene to do.

    • Darkthunder

      ROFL. Earth was admitted into the Federation of Planets after 100 years of peace? First, I’d ask where you get your information. Second, that would suggest Earth was added to the UFP in 2261, a mere 3 years prior to TOS. Which goes contrary to pretty much ALL established canon.

      • Ricardo Martinelli

        It is from the Original Series (it has some incongruence as the series was taken shape) but it was mentioned here and there not at once and I maybe there is something about it in the book Spoke’s world – that would make a great 2 or 3 part movie. And as I said: “If I am not mistaken”, so I am not sure, but one thing I am almost certain, there was a Federation before first contact. Either way, there must be some book about it that had to be rewritten after the Enterprise series.

        • Daniel Johan Fredheim Vikten
          • Ricardo Martinelli

            Maybe they changed the timeline to conform with the Enterprise series, maybe not. I have a distinct memory of that somewhere someone said the earth joined the Federation thus implying that it existed.

          • Darkthunder

            Source? You claim that someone somewhere once said that “Earth joined” the Federation (as opposed to the canon which is that Earth was one of it’s founding members). Where’s your source?

          • Ricardo Martinelli

            on the first few episodes of TOS it was mentioned that the ship was from united earth, united planets. I really didn’t take a note when I heard, for it is all make up stories, not really important. T.Y.

      • Ricardo Martinelli

        One must see TOS from start, but probably when something alike was said all the dates where not fixed, but I have a strong impression of two statements being said in different scenarios: one that the earth entered the federation, thus implying that it existed before and in a different scenario that to be admitted to the federation one planet had to be in peace for at least one hundred years. Also I may have read it on Spock’s world. In a way, if you consider that on the first episodes of TOS there was mentioned something about or likely united earth not planets. Either way my point is that make more films and series with si-fi plots and leave the wars to real world.

        • Darkthunder

          So you’re basis in fact, is the first few episodes of the series that aired almost 50 years ago? You don’t suppose they expanded on the story, clarifying things over the years? And in later years, they’ve made it abundantly clear that Earth is one of the founding members of the Federation.

          Check out the Star Trek Starcharts book for further information.

          • Ricardo Martinelli

            It is all made up stories, but if the writers want to change the “past” in a way to fit into a more “bush/american/war/impire” view instead of a galaxy one, who cares?

          • Ricardo Martinelli

            One of the differences between TOS and Enterprise is that everyone remembers Kirk’s “beam me up Scotch” while Archer’s most know prrase is “That is an order!”. Got the difference between a si-fi series and a war oriented series transferred to the future. (again there are great si-fi episodes on Enterprise and some war on all others).

          • Ricardo Martinelli

            By the way today’s earth is more in the way of the EMPIRE of the parallel universe than into a Federation of Planets.

          • Darkthunder

            Now i’m fairly certain you’re just trolling. 3 replies in less than 10 minutes? Come on. There’s nothing “warlike” by uttering the phrase “That’s an order”, and by your reckoning, that would make TNG incredibly warlike. Since Picard’s favorite phrase was “Engage”.

            Also, “Beam me up Scotch” ? See, I know Jim Beam is a brand of Scotch, but Kirk never uttered that phrase. Not once. Not even the phrase most attribute to Kirk, which is “Beam me up Scotty”. Never said.

          • Ricardo Martinelli

            Really!? Kirk never said “Beam me up Scotty”? (I assumed it was nick name for his drinking habits, and sounds much alike for a foreigner). How come the phrase is attributed to him? Where it came from? Not even once, he said? Sometimes one character says it once and it is catch, Dr. Smith said once or very few times “don’t fear, Smith is here” and it became a hit. Engage was also said by Kirk and has to do with engaging warp speed, not engaging the enemy, although in TNG someone says “We have engaged the Borg”, then in a more belligerence way, although prior to exchange fire. And “that is an order” is a military phrase, not to mention that they where in conflict most of the time. In a way more than in Voyager that was by itself in uncharted territory and still had some good si-fi episodes. Perhaps the best of all is the “in the blink of an eye” (or something alike). The point I take is that we are on the wrong “trek” and si-fi series should be about si-fi not war with a si-fi look. The fact is that a self destructive society, like ours, will self destruct itself whenever be able to access the necessary means to produce the energy needed to travel the stars, probably long before it, so like something Dr. Carl Sagan said “star wars won’t be likely because one civilization will be far more advanced than another”.

          • Darkthunder

            Maybe you need to do a bit more research then?
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beam_me_up,_Scotty

            “Though it has become irrevocably associated with the series and movies, the exact phrase was never actually spoken in any Star Trek television episode or film, however Shatner has said a few similar phrases.”

          • Ricardo Martinelli

            Good to know, but one must consider that until the 80’s there where no tv recording, so one had to remember it, and “Scott beam me up” and Beam me up Scott have the same meaning and are quite alike, so it was hard to corroborate without recording media. Please don’t send me to the frozen Klingon prison for that!

  • Mirror Odo

    can’t wait for the next movie star trek 4

    • Julian Glover

      welllllll, its a long time, a few years again probably. maybe longer, this one was pushed for star trek’s 50th

  • Fiery Little One

    Well, this clears up some of the oddities concerning this ship.

  • Locutus

    I love how Trekkies obsess over these little details. I’m not kidding! I really do. We can turn a two hour movie into a four year discussion. It makes these long waits between movies more liveable.

    • Fctiger

      The great thing is we’ll have a series to keep us more busy again between the weeks. And judging by that ship its going to be a lot to discuss. 😉

  • LiberalVeteran

    I like this theory. The Enterprise series relates and the tribute to Leonard Nimoy (Spock) are the only parts of this movie that didn’t suck.

    I want a Star Trek movie that relies on story and character development instead of flashy effects and over the top action sequences.

    • Julian Glover

      i like movies with good music. Nuff said.

      also good Characters, hence DS9 being my favorate series

  • K Allen

    My big issue with this ship pre-dating the NX-01 is the damned bridge window with view screen overlay. That def makes this ship not fall in place correctly.

    Unless the Kelvin incident isn’t what caused the initial “fork” in the timeline and JJ timeline in fact was already altered at some point well prior to the Kelvin…then ALL the technology nitpicks from all three movies work out.

    When they showed the image of an Vassar Spock, it said “stardate” yet i believe it showed the years….

    Kirk said they were currently in year three of the five your mission, based on the original timeline that puts this movie in 2268. In the original timeline, 1701-A was launched in 2286. This is just an interesting observation not a nitpick. I do wish they’d have made some design changes tho.

    • Eric

      They did, the nacelles are quite different. I’m sure we’ll find more differences when the frame by frame comparisons will be done.

    • Stephen Wrigley

      To be fair regarding the stardate, Captain Robau (USS Kelvin) gives the stardate as 2233.04 when asked by the Romulan Nero, shortly before his death and the subsequent destruction of the Kelvin.

      Prior to TNG, I think this was the standard way of logging the date and Earth year for Starfleet captains.

      About the design changes, I think there were one or two obvious alterations to the Constitution design, with numerous other, more subtle changes.

  • David

    Perhaps after UESPA numbered up toward NX-999 and got somewhere in the meaningless 400’s or 500’s, they didn’t want to go back to NX-1. Thus they went down to NX-01. My head-canon is that the numbering actually goes back to the US Space Shuttle fleet, so it started with 098, 099, 101, etc. and so 326 is somewhere in there around XCV-330. But, in reality, it’s Nimoy’s birthday of March 26, just as the Kelvin was Orci’s uncle’s birthday of May 14, etc. The registry numbers have been weird since the beginning when they kitbashed an AMT Enterprise kit’s number 1 7 0 1 to make the Constellation 1 0 7 1.

  • Seb

    Don’t want to be picky, but seriously, you guys should know it is “Frank Lin”

    You can even read it on the T-Shirt and the Dedication Plaque.

  • Radioman

    Well the Franklin and the (NX-01) Enterprise are from the same alternate movie universe (as opposed to the TV one)

    • Jake Wolfe

      They’re also both part of the Prime Timeline as well, though. The Franklin’s history would follow Prime history, and be part of its timeline after gping missing, up until the Kelvin Incident of the Kelvin Timeline split Prime into that new timeline. Meaning, in the Prime timeline, the Franklin crew is either still stranded on Altamid, stealing ships and crews, it was discovered and dealt with by Starfleet in a less deadly amd destructive altercation than in the Kelvin timeline, or the Franklin crew died off from not getting enough crews to harvest. However way it may have happened, they likely didn’t get this weapon and use it, in the Prime timeline.

      The Enterprise’s history would be completely the same in both timelines, as its whole run and history ended well before the USS Kelvin’s destruction. The fact that the NX-01 crew dealt with the Borg proves that it’s part of the Prime timeline, as it existed post-ST:FC, and the Enterprise-E crew made it home to their own future largely as they remembered it. This also means the Xindi War/Temporal Cold War, which were part of the ST:FC Prime timeline represented in ENT, happened in both timelines, as of ST:FC’s changes to the Prime timeline.

      • Radioman

        No. Enterprise can NEVER be part of the original timeline because if it were Roddenberry’s original creation would be for the most part destroyed.

        Episodes like “A Piece of the Action” “The Masterpiece Society” “Balance of Terror” “First Contact” (The episode TNG) “Metamorphosis” to name a few would be erased were “Enterprise” to be accepted as TV canon. Which it is NOT!.

        They had an Akira Class variant ship 200 years too early, (when they should have been using Daedalus Class), phasers at least 67 years too early (see The Menagerie” TOS), subspace radio at least 60 years before it was invented (see “A Piece of the Action” TOS) transporters at least 50 years before they were invented (see “The Masterpiece Society” TNG) photon(ic) torpedoes at least 30 years too soon (see “Balance of Terror TOS)

  • Jason Aud

    I was thinking something along these very lines as to why the number was higher. I actually thought too given that the Enterprise was NX-01 that maybe the Franklin being a prototype like the earlier warp test ships that maybe it just had a Alpha, Beta, etc. designation like the NX-Alpha, Nx-Beta from First Flight then was given a number commission later likely as they would need all the ships they had. Stuck out to me during the movie so was thinking about it a little lol.

  • Fctiger

    You know I have to admit I was not a big fan of Enterprise nor these films because it felt like it was all going backwards to me when so many of us wanted to go forward again beyound the 24th century. But oddly enough between Enterprise and these movies we are learning quite a bit between these two periods I never thought we would learn about and it is fascinating. I now regret Enterprise didnt keep going to cover the Romulan war and the start of the Federation. Maybe the next film could cover that era a bit even if through flashback or something. But yeah its fun to get so much backstory of this era. Before 2001 it was a huge blackhole in terms of specifics.

  • Slashfilm posted an article on how the very small space in the name “Franklin” on the plaque and shirt was done on intentionally by Justin Lin as a tribute to his father, Frank Lin.

  • Zaggs

    Kinda thinking they screwed up and perhaps what they meant was that it was the first warp 2 ship or first Warp 6. Because if you had warp 4 ships before the NX-01, then warp 5 wouldn’t have been such a big deal. The NX-Beta would not have had such an issue reaching warp 2.5. And it surely would not have taken 30 some years to go from the Warp 5 complex to the NX-01. Another nod to this is that Admiral Marcus’s desk in Into Darkness has models that go from the Phoenix to the NX-Alpha to the NX-01.

    • Kenneth Garza

      I believe the episode of “First Flight” that showed they were having issues reaching warp 2.5 only are in the context of the NX-Alpha/Beta and in the testing of Archer’s Warp 5 Drive. Its very possible that they had a very solid warp 4 engine that was installed in earlier versions of their starships. Warp factor is rated exponentially, where c = the speed of light warp 1 = c^1 where warp 4 = c^4. So going from warp 4 to warp 5 is essentially doubling the current speed in which starships travel. Starfleet at the time may have determined that warp 5 was the necessary speed in which to launch starships to really explore deep space.

      • Kenneth Garza

        I just realized how much of a nerd I am. I need to go home and hug my girlfriend and thank her for putting up with me.

      • DaMac

        The show definitely characterized the NX-01 as earth’s first real deep space capable ship and at least implied they never got anywhere near warp 5 being stable before. This is obviously a recon, not that I think it’s a big deal.

        • Daniel Reid

          Plus the NX-01 almost never actually went to warp 5. First time Archer insisted they did it, Tucker said that it was a warp 5 engine “on paper.” ie. they never actually intended to push it right up to that limit. Most of the time the NX-01 topped out at warp 4.5 and that was only when in a rush.

          Enterprise made mention of most of the old freighters doing around warp 1.8 and Mayweather said it was worth getting a freighter upgraded to a warp 3 engine. We never heard mention of warp 4 engines and the y series heavily suggested against them.

          Personally, I just assumed they altered the warp scale. We know they did this between TOS and TNG, so I thought it was possibly they’d done it between ENT and TOS, too. ie. an ENT-era warp 5 engine was reclassified as warp 4 on the TOS scale. It would make sense and does away with any inconsistencies that the Franklin causes. She’s just another NX class that way.

    • Jason Aud

      Being “The first ship capable of warp 4” doesn’t necessarily mean it was stably cabaple of warp 4. Maybe it managed to break the warp 4 barrier but with issues that were solved with the warp 5 engine. Excelsior was the transwarp prototype but then apparently that didn’t work out. 🙂

      • Dwight Williams

        That makes sense.

    • driven01

      Warp speeds are exponential. (“The making of Star Trek” – Roddenberry 1968)

    • The thing everyone overlooks is that the numbers are just hull numbers (eg order number,) just like any spacecraft, ship, train car or airplane. The number’s significance has no meaning except as a way to identify it visually to other vessels. The ships do not need to be in sequence, and can use any number not in use. Usually the first digit (at least for aircraft) denotes which country it belongs to. For Sea craft the IMO number is more of a bar-code which includes a check digit.

      What that means is that two different “orders” can have out of sequence hull numbers just because it’s ownership changed. So just because its 326 doesn’t mean there was 325 other ships, it might simply mean it’s the 26th ship from shipyard 3, or 6th ship from shipyard 32. Likewise hull numbers have been reused (NCC-1701, 1701A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J, etc) for different classifications of the same ship still named “Enterprise”, logically to replace the flagship of the fleet.

    • John Cudmore

      There is a lot of talk about the Franklin being older than the Enterprise. In the 1960’s Ford made the Cobra. It was fast as hell. Then in the late 70’s they made the Pinto. Obviously slower. Just because the Franklin had a warp 4 engine doesn’t mean it was older. Maybe that is what was installed because that is all they needed. Maybe it was designed for closer to earth missions but ended up further than it was supposed to go. Maybe that is why there is all the confusion about the numbers on it’s hull. Just a thought.

  • Rene

    The problem with the registry is, that NX-vessels were prototypes; the first of their series of spaceship designs. The NCC-registry was a series-build vessel, based upon the NX prototype.

    According to Star Trek Beyond (which is one of the very best in the entire franchise), this NX-registry number came before Archer’s ship NX-01 Enterprise. It should have been the NX-00, to make more sense, not the NX-326.

    Furthermore, Justin Lin made another error in naming the ship’s Class the Starship Class. If this would be true, then the ships name would be Starship. But it is called the Franklin (nót USS Franklin, which is correct in the movie), thús to be it an NX-prototype, this class would be a Franklin Class vessel.

    I love the ship design, my only problem is that the front viewport (main screen or window) is below the outer standing rim of the saucer section: they can see outside and upwards, but not frontview beyond the rim of the saucer.

    But it is clearly and most logically a Prime Timeline vessel of excellent design and it kicks a whole lot of but with it’s main weapon: classical music!

    • Lee Butterley

      I’m taking the “Starship class” bit to be an homage to the dedication plaque in the original series which also read “Starship class”.

      • Dwight Williams

        Works for me.

  • Kenneth Garza

    This is a great article. Only wanted to point out that in the ST:ENT episode “First Flight” You mentioned they were still struggling with getting to warp 2.5. When I watched that episode I took that as they were having trouble with 2.5 ON Archers Warp 5 prototype. They could have had a very viable warp 4 engine that just wasnt going to make it to warp 5.

  • Rob

    Ok but the Nx-01 was built in space and she entered the atmosphere multiple times. That was my only gripe. Good movie though.

    • Jake Wolfe

      Easy. We could just assume that NX-01 Enterprise was newer, and was capable of entering/leaving atmospheres if needed, unlike the slightly older, slightly lower-tech pre-Federation NX Franklin 🙂

      And maybe, post-Federation, the newer technology couldn’t be applied to the older Franklin, and so this limitation remained.

      • Rob

        Damn you and your obvious greatness 🙂 Good comment man.

        • Jake Wolfe

          You’re too kind. Glad I could help! I enjoy finding ways to explain seeming plot holes. Especially in Star Trek, where an ever-growing universe, constantly adding new things to its own past, creates so many apparent holes. But, I firmly believe that almost all of them can explained.

        • Rob

          I guess it just bothers me that the nx-01 was retired while this obviously less advanced ship remained in service.

          • Jake Wolfe

            I wondered about that same thing. My guess is that Enterprise had been repaired, refited, and added onto so many times, and over enough years, that, after the Xindi and Romulan Wars, the Federation may have felt the ship was “tired”, and needed to be retired, and “laid to rest”. The ship itself was something of a hero, after all.

            The Franklin may have seen less use in comparison, seen less action, and had fewer patch-ups, meaning it wasn’t felt that it had “seen too much”, or “become tired” just yet.

      • Rob

        Ok ok you made your argument, Well played sir.

  • Josh

    Needless to say history under memory alpha ill follow but your view on MACO didn’t come up in Enterprise tell season 3 so how could Franklin be conceived before NX 01 and after Delta when Vulcans wouldn’t let anyone up tell Earth was ready. The Delta test was to see who would fly the NX 01. Which mind you had Henry Archers prototype 5 Warp reactor, that he had built and wanted to test while he was alive. So Warp 5 could have been used before the Warp 2 test if it wasn’t for the Vulcans. Franklin cording to specs has a Warp Core. So ya I’ll say she was made during the MACO Xindi runs for while Edison served during that and Romulan war before taking command when war stopped and federation took over.

    Besides its a Lin/JJ style ship glass view screen like Kelvin. NX 01 didn’t

    • Mark Naccarato

      The MACOs existed before the launch of NX-01. We the audience just didn’t hear about them until S3. And as was explained in “Beyond”, the MACOs were disbanded after the Romulan War when the Federation was formed.

  • Julian Glover

    i just want an affordable model to come out.

  • Devin Serpa

    So when is the timeline going to be fixed? 😐

    • Julian Glover

      why would it need to be fixed? it didn’t seem to create any serious problems. Everything seemed to resolve without any serious anomalies, like in all the time episodes, so i doubt the timeline will ever be fixed.

      • Devin Serpa

        Would transparent aluminum still be gifted to Bay Area engineers by Scotty if the events of “The Voyage Home” never have taken place? Even if those events do still take place in the Kelvin Timeline, a big given, there would be no “Wrath of Khan” so the genesis device wouldn’t have been used resulting in Spocks’ death. Which means there’s no need to “Search For Spock” resulting in the intentional scuttling of the Enterprise and the commandeering of the Klingon ship. Would be kinda hard to hide in Golden Gate park in a non cloakable ship.

        The Borg in ENT might never have been, because the KT’s 24th century’s Q might not bring the Borg to the Alpha Quadrant if the Enterprise D is manned and captained by a different crew, let alone if the Enterprise D would even have existed and been in that exact part of space to meet Q. Even if Q did, a big given, would then the Borg go back to “First Contact” so as to leave the Borg in the Arctic for Archer to battle?

        Would we still have the computer age? Tuvok would be born 6 years after Vulcans’ destruction. Are Tuvok’s parents still alive after Vulcan was destroyed? A big given. Tuvok is pivotal to the success of the Voyager infiltrating the Maquis. If the Voyager had never been on the Maquis’s trail, they would not have been taken to the Delta Quadrant. The KT’s 29th century Federation time ship would never have attempted to take part in the paradox-creating destruction of the Sol system and the inadvertent time travel to the 1960’s wherein reverse-engineered technology fueled a 20th century technology/computer boom.

        • killerbee267

          Due to time travel weirdness, the TOS, TNG and DS9 crew still time traveled to the past of reboot universe. These “versions” are a kind of artifacts of time travel, like the version of Yar that went back on the C. Where they came from and were they went is head ache inducing.

        • Julian Glover

          Well, if either of the people moved back, maybe they would both be in the same place, so Prime scotty and Kelvin scotty could both go back and meet up if they wanted to

      • Matt Littledyke

        Why would it as the original timeline still exists within the multiverse it has already been covered by the comic book series to the new movies in which Q visits Picard and tells him about what happened to Spock prime then takes a visit to the Kelvin timeline where he torments Kirk and co by taken them to the future of their timeline onboard DS9.

  • Mr MarkuSS

    The “NX” designation meant “Naval Experimental”.I HATE when these article writers don’t fully do their homework!! That’s why in ST III the Excelsior has the designation NX-2000,and in ST VI,the Excelsior has designation NCC-2000. The NX was for the Excelsior’s experimental transwarp drive;the Defiant NX-74205 designation was the experimental ablative armor,power curve,the pulse phasers,and the borrowed Romulan cloaking device.

    • Ctrl-Opt-Del

      Pretty sure every prototype has an NX registry. E.g. The U.S.S. Galaxy was the NX-70637 at first, and was recomissioned as the NCC-70637 once it was out of the prototype stage (at least according to the TNG technical manual)…

    • Daniel Reid

      To be fair, the “NX means Naval Experiment and NCC mean Naval Construction Contract,” has never been established in the canon of the show. Its just something that developed in fandom and got adopted by some licensed products.

      Occasionally such things eventually made it to canon (like Kirk’s middle name and Sulu and Uhura’s first names), but in this case the actual canon suggests this one is incorrect. NX has now been established as the class of ship that Archer’s Enterprise was a part of. We see both the prototype – NX-01 Enterprise – and the first production ship of the line – NX-02 Columbia. They pretty much determine that NX does not mean Naval Experiment (and why would it, as Starfleet doesn’t consider itself a Navy).

      The general consensus now is that Starfleet adopted the NX moniker for prototypes in honour of the NX class.

  • MS

    If you go back even older than all of them, you come to a VJ classification…. VJ-1, Vj-11, through VJ-24, then VJ-24, 24e, and finally VJ-24w. VJ standing for Volmer Jensen, the builder of the first Starship enterprise.

    http://air-war.org

  • Eric

    I need to see the movie again to make sure, but while the plaque read “NX-326” I swear that during the scene where Uhura realizes who Elba’s character is, they (her and Kirk) review Franklin logs, and you can see a different registry number in the bottom-right of the display (reads “NCC-7…”) – Did anyone else notice this?

    • Dwight Williams

      I saw that. Wondering if that wasn’t a (minor) side effect of bad maintenance for the better part of a century. Database degredation?

      • Eric

        Maybe a reference to something else, I feel like they threw in a lot of references to the dates/numbers (more than just the days in space and the Franklin number)

    • Larry O

      NCC-7317. You are correct. It shows USS FRANKLIN NCC-7317. Great, more to speculate about. It’s fun though.

  • I just assumed that Scotty misspoke and that he meant to say that it was the first ship to reach warp 6 or something like that, but this explanation works too.

  • Bill Phil

    I’m thinking that it was mothballed due to Vulcan influence soon after it launched. It might’ve been a part of the NX-greek letter series. And then, after the Federation was formed it was taken out of the mothball fleet and given a new registry and name.

  • Alan

    I like to think that there was also a USS Franklin in the “Prime Universe” and both it, and its crew went through different events to the ship and crew we see in Star Trek Beyond.

    • Jeffrey Kotte

      well, the timeline would have been altered after the Kelvin was destroyed. everything before it would/should have stayed the same. if that is the case, then what happened to the Franklin was the same in both universes, the only difference was that the item Edison needed would have still been lost in the Prime Universe or not used in a peace treaty so there was no way for Edison to discover it or get his hands on it. Whereas in the alternate universe, he knew it was on the enterprise and being close to him he was able to get his hands on it.

  • Darren McAdams

    they didn’t show the ship too much they only showed it for short time mostly it was the inside they showed didn’t really see any detail lin beyond but I thought it was pretty cool now I have a question was the ship from the future or the past ???

    • Matt Littledyke

      The past as is said that it is from around the time of Enterprise NX-01

  • LS650

    Or the character of Scotty simply didn’t have his facts straight on this one tiny bit of trivia…

  • Sean Cashman

    I believe NX registry was all there was until at most Kirk times, and if this ship was lost in the 2160’s it would explain why the NX never became NCC. I would like to say, I’m happy that this new movie did the opposite of what most did, and by that I mean I’m happy that it isn’t denying that enterprise happened. While not welcoming it with open arms, it makes me happy to see that all of the families of star trek getting along under one roof. And although most people didn’t watch enterprise, I assure you. Once you get passed the awful awful theme song, it’s a fun enjoyable show.

  • Oozman

    What I’m curious about is what happened to Krall in the original, non-Kelvin timeline?

    (1) Still stuck on Altamid?
    (2) Ran into original Kirk in virtual season 4 of TOS?
    (3) Ran into some other crew?

    Cheers!

    • Oozman

      Also, what will happen when the Save the Whales probe from Star Trek IV comes a knocking in the Kelvin timeline? Will the original and Kelvin Enterprise crews compete for the same whales in San Francisco in 1986? Did Ambassador Spock at least warn about that?

      • no, because this is a PARALLEL UNIVERSE.

        • Jeffrey Kotte

          See, that’s the problem I am having… sorta. The Alternate timeline was created AFTER the destruction of the Kelvin, everything prior to it would/should still be the same. But in this timeline there may not be a reason to go back in time to get the whales because perhaps some scientists start to clone and grow them from samples. Or maybe the probe just doesn’t care, or it’s never launched, or launched at an even later date, or they go back in time and get two different whales from a different location and not SF, or appear at a later time than those events of STIV. What happened to the crew of the Kelvin would have happened the same, just then end result would have been different. In the prime universe, the piece may have never been recovered and was still lost so they never got their revenge,

          • but that’s not what happened at all. there was no “alternate timeline created”. they simply went through the black hole into a parallel universe, just like the Mirror Universe.

          • Mark Naccarato

            Well technically, Nero and Ambassador Spock went into a parallel universe, but also about 150 years in the past of that universe. They went from “Prime” 2387 to “Kelvin” 2233.

          • yes, but it’s hard to tell whether they actually went into the past. things in the “Kelvin” parallel universe might simply be happening a little bit later 😉

            but my main point was that no “alternate timeline” was created.

          • Mark Naccarato

            You are correct about the alternate timeline.

  • Mark

    I was hoping for a line that Archer had searched for weeks when the ship went missing.

  • Tim Rathbone

    Was the Franklin named for who? Ben Franklin?

  • Kirk Black

    I thought the NX classification was also applied to experimental ships later in the trekvers

  • Davidgunn1

    So what is the crew capacity of this USS FRANKLIN vs the crew capacity of the USS ENTERPRISE….how did they fit everyone on the USS FRANKLIN….it is a considerably smaller ship.

    • Jeffrey Kotte

      Well, the crew of the enterprise would be at about 400, the Franklin about 100-200 max, but with the attack and destruction of the Enterprise, not many made it out alive. They could have been killed in battle, destroyed in the secondary hull and neck. Remember, kirk didn’t give the command to abandon ship until way after the saucer section separated from the rest so lots of Enterprise crew may have died by then. in one scene you see a corridor riddled with Enterprise crew dead or dying. So i’d suspect not everyone made it out alive. maybe 100 of the enterprise crew alive.

  • Matt Littledyke

    One thing hasn’t been touched on about the Kelvin timeline which I’m interested to find out. In the original timeline I think STIV Kirk states he was born in Iowa and not in out of space but if that is the case then some of the changes would have to have happened before the Nero incident and that maybe the Enterprise E’s appearance in 2063 did already cause a ripple in the timeline and that the Enterprise series is part of the changes.

    • The Mighty Monkey Of Mim

      I am in favor of the changes being able to propagate to affect pre-2333 history in the Kelvin Timeline, but two points on this specific issue:

      1. It was never actually said onscreen that Kirk was BORN in Iowa, just that he was “from Iowa” (in STIV).

      2. IIRC, it was implied in the film (and stated by the writers behind the scenes) that the attack on the USS Kelvin actually caused Kirk’s mother to go into labor sooner than was expected.

  • Flex Reyglur

    It’s too bad they haven’t perfected kerning by the 23rd century. I wondered for several seconds who “Frank Lin” was.

  • Yishai Dyman

    What happened to it after the latest star trek movie

  • The Mighty Monkey Of Mim

    “The NX-Beta, of which Archer and colleague A.G. Robinson piloted on the first Warp 2.5 flight, occurred in 2143 (“First Flight”), narrowing down the launch window of the Franklin to between that time and the NX-01’s maiden voyage in 2151.”

    That flight did indeed occur in 2143, since Archer had known Tucker (to whom he is introduced in “First Flight”) for 8 years at the time of “Unexpected” (mid-2151), but it was also specified that following this the Vulcans made them run simulations for over a year and then 8 months later Duvall became the first to break the Warp 3 barrier in the NX-Delta, sometime in 2145. It was further said that NX-01’s keel was laid 5 years after that, in 2150. So the launch window should be narrowed to somewhere in the range of 2145-2150.

    “This prototype nature of the Warp 4 ship is why the Franklin was christened with an NX registry (NX-326) at its launch.”

    There is nothing to say that she had this registry number at the time of her initial launch. At that time, an “NX” prefix did not denote generically a prototype vessel as it did in the later UFP era. Rather, it specified a ship that was part of the NX Project lineage: NX-Alpha, NX-Beta, [NX-Gamma, one presumes], NX-Delta…, NX-01, NX-02, and so on. If she were part of this lineage, we would have expected Archer to mention her in his summary of the project’s history in “First Flight,” but even if we overlook that omission then 326 is much too high. It is a better idea to say she had some other designation originally and that NX-326 is a new number she was assigned when she was “reclassified” under the UFP as Highsmith said. This is supportable by her dedication plaque—bearing this number as well as the “USS” prefix—mentioning the UFP, meaning it was put there when she was recommissioned.

  • amazing article, thank you!

  • JES

    The idea of them starting over after the construction of the NX-01 Enterprise, while it doesn’t make any logical sense (does this mean they started over every time they managed to break a major barrier? Warp 2? Then Warp 3?), I guess that they didn’t have a whole lot of choices, other than coming up with a registry based off of current registries used by current navies (which is an idea used by Masao Okazaki for his pre-Federation designs). I’m guessing the Franklin was a patrol ship like a Destroyer or Frigate, since it makes no sense to give a dedicated explorer to a well known, hard core soldier, who was part of a military that for all we know was probably hailed from what was left of the elite military branches such as the Marines (what little was left of them) following WW-III. Of course, it might help explain why Edison went completely mad, and was willing to commit genocide and high treason just to make a point (well, that and if he was sent on an exploratory mission, he probably increasingly felt it was more of an insult, and boring job, and would rather have been commanding a patrol ship in the First Fleet, defending Earth, rather than wandering away in deep space). Then again, Franklin would be a strange name for a ship of war or defense, even a small one.

    But there that would mean there was another ship with a similar registry floating around (unless it was skipped to avoid confusion.

    But then there is another question: whatever happened to the pre-Federation NX/NCC-001-325? That’s at least 325 other ships, and there could easily be more. And that is assuming they didn’t start over more than once. And indeed, it must be confusing when these ships stayed in service of the Federation.

    Another question is why the Franklin wasn’t refitted with shields and photonic torpedo munitions like presumably the rest of the fleet? Not that it would have helped much against the Swarm, but it isn’t like it would have been hard to at least load her with photonic warheads. Shields, perhaps not, but honestly, if you can’t upgrade to the latest defense tech, it’s probably time to scrap her or make her a museum exhibit, and call it a day.

    The only question is why the Enterprise (NX-01) wasn’t similarly refitted and sent on similar missions to the Franklin; she was either clearly damaged, or was otherwise pulled from the field, because the top Starfleet brass didn’t want an already historic, and perhaps by this point, obsolete ship to go missing.

    • The Mighty Monkey Of Mim

      “Then again, Franklin would be a strange name for a ship of war or defense, even a small one.”

      Tell that to the U.S. Navy:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Franklin

      • JES

        There was even a carrier named the Franklin! I wonder if she was a Frigate or Destroyer, and Starfleet used her for a survey voyage similar to the Reliant? It’d make more sense, than assigning Edison to an Explorer.

        Nice job finding a precedence!

  • Christopher Robles

    Am I the only one who loved ENT? I loved seeing the early forms of all the technology that would show up later. Who remembers the ‘holo deck’ episode?? Watching the ship slowly upgrade and get closer to the technology in TNG

    It’s a crime the show ended before they could flesh out the Romulan War. The brent spiner episodes and Klingon bumpy head explanation was really cool.

  • rgr crash

    Have a question, though, despite all the apologetics as to how Franklin fits into the timeline: if the Franklin predates Enterprise NX-01, then why does it look more advanced?

    • Mark Naccarato

      The lighting and CGI is better because it’s a feature film budget, but more advanced? I don’t think so. The only major difference in design aesthetic between Franklin and NX-01 are the nacelles.
      And again, the Franklin exists in a different universe than the ENT universe we’ve seen on TV. Variations are bound to happen.

  • Threevok

    makes me wonder if Capt Edison ever met or heard of Jonathan Archer, the Enterprise and his crew

    • Mark Naccarato

      Someone mentioned it earlier, but it is possible that Edison was stationed on Archer’s Enterprise as a MACO before he commanded the Franklin.

  • Tegan Bigone

    Soooo… “Starship Class” is a real, uh, starship class? I mean, “Starship” is the actual class of the Franklin (like Galaxy is the class of the 1701-D)?

    • Mark Naccarato

      That’s right. And in the “prime” Trek universe, there’s a “Starship Class”

  • marcos

    I’m a long-time fan of the franchise and I must say I REALLY love ST:ENT. It’s way better than Voyager or even the first seasons of TNG and DS9. I was overjoyed to see the referrence in the new movie.

  • Lemming Overlord

    I watched the movie a few days ago. Could someone explain the utter trainwreck of an ending? Why is Kirk going mano-a-mano with Edison when in fact he could be teleported in and out of any place? Did the writers forget about this (considering Scotty had jury-rigged the teleporter on the USS Franklin – a 150+ y/o starship – to teleport 20 people at a time), wouldn’t Yorktown (the Federation’s most advanced starbase) have capable teleportation capabilities…?!

    • Jeffrey Kotte

      I just watched the movie and I think Scotty said there was some sort of interference at the top. But judging the distance where the Franklin rested and where Edison was, it would have taken Kirk an hour at the max to get there. So they could have transported him as close as they could and never bothered to show it in the movie.

  • Vincent George McGrath

    Interesting article. But here’s one for you. It is mentioned, I think by Scotty, that the Franklin was grabbed by a giant Green Space Hand. That was clearly a reference to Apollo from the TOS episode Who Mourns For Adonis.
    With that in mind, I think the Kelvin timeline was always a different Universe to the Prime Timeline, as the Mirror Universe is.

    • M33

      I agree. Too many small inconsistencies.
      I think it wasn’t Prime Spock or Prime Nero that entered the Kelvin timeline, but rather alternates from a different quantum reality that happened to be very similiar in most regards to the Prime timeline.
      TNGs “Parallels” already allows for this reality, and frankly it allows for any story to be told and accepted as-is.

      If Discovery botches the TOS-era look, then it is easy enough to categorize that series as yet another alternate reality similar to the Prime timeline.
      Again, the existing precedent allows it.

  • Maso Tirag

    I didn’t see this one asked…why does the Franklin use the “Enterprise arrowhead” insignia on the dedication plaque and elsewhere on the ship?

    • Matt Littledyke

      I remember reading another article where the same question is asked and at the moment no one has a specific answer as it was asked a while ago regarding the uss kelvin as they also had that same insignia.

    • Mark Naccarato

      There are three possibilities:

      1) Since “Star Trek Beyond” takes place in a parallel universe from the Prime universe we are used to seeing, the delta shield design is and has always been Starfleet’s symbol.

      2) In ENT, it was established that the arrowhead symbol turned on its side was the symbol for UESPA and Starfleet Command.

      3) in the TOS era, when each ship had its own symbol, Kirk’s NCC-1701 was assigned the traditional Starfleet symbol that existed since Archer’s time.

  • what I’d like to know is why Ambassador Spock dies so young? only 190? his father lived another 12 years and even had an illness. plus after Spock’s body regenerated on the genesis planet he must have gained a good 10-20 years, he shoulda lived to 210 or 220.

    • then again, i guess thats like asking why some humans live to 70 and others to 100 lol

    • Matt Littledyke

      It’s hard to say but like you say most humans live longer than others so the same must count for Vulcans. But I suppose they put that in because of Nimoy’s untimely death otherwise it wouldn’t have been in the movie as happening.

    • Mark Naccarato

      Possibly Ambassador Spock dies earlier than most Vulcans because of his exposure to the Genesis Device..?

  • max Cox

    Eddison actually mentions that he is a veteran who fought the Romulans, and the Xindi. he mentions fighting the Xindi, it was my favorite part of the whole movie.

  • Max House

    What about the Delta insignia on the dedication plaque? The Delta was the insignia of the Enterprise only in TOS it only became a standard Starfleet symbol later. They messed up on that surely.

  • Gen. Chang

    Absolutely love these kinds of articles, about Historical Cannon. One of the things that kept me reading so many books, from the different series over the years was always wanting to know what happened next, and then the prequels to fill in the blanks. I have no doubts that 50 years from now, Star Trek will still be alive and well.

  • tammy

    Nice.
    Star Trek: Discovery, waiting for it.

    Watch Star Trek: Discovery online

  • Timmy Devo

    …let’s hope they don’t PC Star Trek: Discovery into cancellation.
    …Just sayin’

  • October_1985

    I would have loved if they had used a plain NX ship identical to the Enterprise or the Columbia.