Star Trek: Deep Space Nine producer and showrunner Ira Steven Behr revealed at STLV over the weekend that a brand-new DS9 documentary is undergoing preparation for a release in the near future, likely in the 2017 calendar year.

In an interview with TrekMovie on Friday night, Behr detailed the impetus behind the project:

We all went through this unbelievable experience that took seven years out of our lives, and now we’ve had all this distance from it – and what does the show mean? What does the show mean to us as individuals, and what does the show mean – if anything – in terms of both the franchise and the culture?

I had been interviewed a couple of times for other Trek docs, by Shatner for [“Chaos on the Bridge”]… and was asked if I wanted to be like Shatner and interview everyone, getting people single and together and talk over the show.

It just seemed like a fabulous thing to do… I’m hoping that by next year, sometime in 2017, the doc will come out.

Behr, who we last spoke to in 2013, elaborated on his on-stage comments that the documentary features a breakdown of what would be a hypothetical Episode 1 of DS9’s eighth season, with some of the show’s star writers participating in the roundtable discussion.

I got the people I called: Ron [Moore], Robert [Hewitt Wolfe], René [Echevarria], and Hans [Beimler]. I could have gotten more… but we only had one day to do it, so I kept it to the core group.

I told everyone to watch [“What You Leave Behind”] – or if they were to lazy to do that, to check the Trek page, because no one remembered anything, including me. That’s just an added, cool bit – but that’s not what the dock is about at all.

Behr also commented that while he was able to get nearly all the cast – both primary and recurring actors – to participate in the project, he was not able to convince Avery Brooks to sign on, despite many attempts.

You can see the entire interview with Behr at TrekMovie.

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  • Michael Spadaro

    Why wasn’t he able to get Avery Brooks to participate?

    That seems odd, especially since Brooks has been willing to participate in other Trek documentaries.

    • awesomesocks42

      probably just personal reasons, since he doesn’t explain why at all.

    • Locutus

      His affect in The Captains was pretty strange, although he was plugging away on the piano much of the time. It made me wonder if he was doing okay. He had a DUII a few years ago too. Maybe he’s doing worse.

      On the other hand, maybe he just didn’t like how The Captains turned out, and it turned him off Trek docs … or maybe he just doesn’t care to do such projects anymore. I guess I shouldn’t assume the worst.

    • bytes

      Because he’s… kinda up there…

      • Michael Spadaro

        High on life?

        • bytes

          I was just quoting Shatner from The Captains 🙂

    • M33

      Avery is… a very odd fellow.
      The man is like watching someone on acid.
      It is amazing we had him at all for DS9.
      That he could appear in the show so rational, sane, likeable, and…well, normal is amazing.
      It it truly a testament to his acting ability because of all the actors in Star Treks, he is the LEAST like the character he plays.

      • Michael Spadaro

        That odd, huh?

        • M33

          Oh yeah.

    • I’ll grant I don’t know a lot about Avery Brooks, so maybe I have an inaccurate impression of the guy, but from the little I’ve heard and read, he’s always struck me as somewhat ambivalent or even indifferent towards his role in Star Trek. Even before DS9 came out, there was an article about the show in Omni in which he made it sound like his wife had to talk him into taking the part. Also, on the DVD special features, I remember him saying something about how he wanted to leave the show sometime during the course of its run.

      • SpaceCadet

        That’s not the impression I got from Avery at all. In fact, I believe a big reason he took the role was because he wanted to show a positive depiction of a black father in the future. That was very important to him. He also developed a close relationship with Cirroc Lofton, the actor that portrayed his son on the show. And aside from appearing in every episode of the show, Avery was also a prolific director on the series. So I doubt he was very ambivalent towards Star Trek. He even shows up to conventions and other documentaries on the subject.

    • SupAJ1M

      At conventions, he is the most likeable guy ever. Always personalizing people’s experiences with him….

  • bytes

    This is great news!

  • M33

    I hope this documentary spurs on the HD remaster of DS9. It really was the best of all the shows.
    It really allowed Federation philosophy to be challenged on all levels.

    • grandadmiralbinks

      Go dreaming. DS9 will never be released in HD. I’ve accepted that now.

      • Bshaw

        Come on, Sir, DS9 and Voyager will inevitably be remastered.

        • Eric Cheung

          It’s hardly inevitable. The budget for the TNG project was $9 million. The total sales numbers for entire project were estimated by someone looking at the sales figures in this post:

          http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=10293194&postcount=155

          The estimate made was $6,819,252. The post writer assumes that the project made more than the difference since then, but considering the work on DS9 would be much more intensive, the budget would have to be much more, they’d have to reassemble the crew, or replacement staff, to work on this, and the sales would have to be better than the TNG numbers to convince CBS to invest in the project. Note I said “to convince CBS.” I believe the investment would be worthwhile, and would eventually earn a profit, but it would be difficult to convince TPTB, who are rightly skeptical.

          Perhaps if this documentary makes money, and if the TNG blu ray sales improve, maybe there’d be a chance, but it’s still a long shot.

          And I’m rooting for it to happen one day.

          • That “$9 Million” estimate was an early number from around the first season’s release; the final cost ended up being much higher, with estimates for DS9 running around $20 M. (Source: http://bit.ly/2b3DSST)

          • Eric Cheung

            Duly noted. It looks like the sales target for DS9 would be even more daunting then.

            Did we ever get sales figures for The Full Journey, or for the box set released this year? I bought the UK version of that in 2014 because I waited for the box set.

            If DS9 ever made it to blu ray, I would buy the full seasons at full price as they came out to help make sure the project didn’t get cancelled. But it would have to start in order for it to get cancelled!

          • M33

            Hey TrekCore, what about initiating a kickstarter campaign for the DS9 HD remaster, like MST3K did for their reboot? I know it would be a hell of a lot more expensive of an endeavor, but I can easily see how loads of fans across the globe would want to contribute, and it wouldn’t be a show that is as obscure as MST is/was either.

            If anything, whatever fans raise might offset the cost of production.

            Just a thought.

          • The estimates for DS9 have been like $20 Million. Kickstarter ain’t going to cut it.

          • That’s chump change compared to how much money Star Trek has made during its 50 year life. It’s frustrating to see the studios roll the dice (and eat a huge loss) on stuff like John Carter and The Lone Ranger when Trek is a reliable revenue machine. Think long-term CBS! You’ll get your money’s worth on DS9 and Voyager.

          • Daniel Shock

            I don’t know about that… They raised 6 million for Veronica Mars. 20 million for 7 seasons of a tv series that lots of people claim to want. It would be a way to let people vote with their dollars. I think it’s worth doing.

          • Ace Stephens

            Heck, they could do it “season-by-season.” The first season would include the estimated start-up costs and the like – the things that, if all goes well, they can keep around for use on later seasons (including contracted staff). If they start out and it’s all going great, keep going and set up a new one for season 2. Of course, fans get all sorts of random “rewards” and the like regarding merchandise – nowhere near worth the amount they might donate but that’s obviously not the point of donating.

            If it makes enough extra, that amount can go into the following season/s and they can do a new campaign for each season regardless. As soon as one doesn’t make as much as they need (therefore, that season doesn’t get funded), stop production on the following season (the one that failed – which likely already had work having gone into it) and leave it at that.

          • Guest

            Far as I’m concerned, if they could raise just a few million (say, between 3 and 6) on Kickstarter to prove demand/interest, then CBS should nut-up and pay the rest of the cost themselves. This is a matter of preservation and future-proofing (and future profits). Tons of new young fans are now discovering TOS & TNG for the first time on streaming platforms, because they’re in HD. They’ve grown up with HD TVs and probably don’t even know what VHS is. They don’t want to watch something in SD, and they’re not going to. They’re certainly not going to PAY to..

            Refusing to remaster DS9 and VOY will only ensure they fade into obscurity when the hardcore pre-JJ era fans die out, as most new fans won’t want to bother with blurry, low-quality content (aesthetically speaking). I’d go so far as to say it was a mistake for CBS to remaster TNG for 1080p rather than 4K, when everyone in the industry knew 4K was right around the corner. The 1080p remasters will do for the next decade or so, but eventually, they will have to remaster TNG and TOS again, or face similar problems 20 years down the line when everything is in 4K, and 6K television sets (or beyond) loom on the horizon. 1080p will look like VHS by comparison.

            Fans offering up money to Kickstarter really shouldn’t even be necessary, as the onus is on CBS and Paramount to ensure the crown-jewel flagship franchise that’s made them so much money over the last half-century, and has been keep alive only by the fans, has a long and prosperous future, and continues to make them money. What other major franchises do Paramount have besides Star Trek and Mission Impossible? Simply pumping out new Trek content won’t always be a sure thing, especially is the fanbase is not very fond of the new Trek movies or shows they make. Beyond is the lowest-grossing of the “Kelvin” films, and the response to the Discovery teaser was embarrassing to say the least.

            No matter what happens with new Trek content, the old shows and films are tried and true. They’ve got built-in fanbases. If fans came together and contributed millions to a crowd-funding campaign in petition to get DS9 and VOY remastered, then CBS have no excuse not to do it IMO. Sure, they’ll spend 40-50 million now, but then they’ll be able to profit off those shows for decades to come. Takes money to make money, and at the end of the day, 50 million is nothing to a studio like that in the grand scheme of things. That’s like the cost of a low budget box-office flop that doesn’t recoup it’s budget, then get forgotten. Studios pump those out every year, these shows are already popular and again, have huge built-in fanbases. But again, nobody’s paying for SD shows from the 90s that don’t look any better than when they aired in the 90s… Not even hardcore fans (we’ve all got the DVDs already anyway).

          • Bshaw

            New tv, international and streaming sales etc etc. $9m is a lot cheaper than 178 new episodes of television, which continues to garner critical and commercial success

          • Eric Cheung

            $9 million maybe a lot cheaper than that, but as TrekCore says below, it was a lot more than that. And whether it’s right or not, CBS doesn’t seem as interested in the streaming revenue, as a metric for measuring the remastered projects success, as they are in the physical media sales.

            Even if it’s technically true that the project would likely cost less than the total budget of the series (what did the whole show cost? $200 million?), it’s still more than it would cost just to keep it streaming on Netflix in SD. They figure the hard core fans will still stream it in SD and there wouldn’t be as many new fans to the show as there would be with TOS and TNG, so it’s not worth it to them to invest in.

            You and I disagree, but we don’t make those decisions.

          • Bshaw

            Hey man, I’d really love seeing those art deco sets and noir lighting (grain and all) in 1080 or 4k. This is Star Trek, it will always be culturally relevant even if the audience for the entertainment narrows. The AFI could probably eventually fund the remaster project, if the licence holder won’t cough up the dough based on physical sales projections. Let’s just hope it happens soon.

          • Eric Cheung

            Oh, DS9 is my favorite television show of all time. I’d love for it to happen. If the AFI ever did it that’d be great. Have they ever remastered non-films? Maybe the Paley Center would be a more appropriate curator. But even those scenarios seem pretty remote right now, no matter how much we want it.

            I’ll never say “never;” it’s just extremely unlikely right now.

          • Bshaw

            I’m not sure whether AFI or Paley would be best placed to take a remastering project on board, but Star Trek canon will be preserved in the best ways possible and, eventually, formatted for mass consumption. Witness the forthcoming Roddenberry blu-ray set. Regarding DS9 and Voyager remastering, if it’s not being done already, it may happen next year, five years, ten years….or longer. Sigh. The Voyager title sequence in HD, with a decent soundtrack for that score. More sighs.

          • Coupon: The Movie

            I’d ask Seth McFarlan before anyone else. Big fan and he’s loaded.

          • People would be a heck of a lot more interested in CBS All Access if it had Voyager and DS9 in HD!

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I think it’s inevitable DS9 will be remastered in HD at some point. CBS want to milk the cow and get sales from all Star Trek shows. They know perfectly well they can’t release big shows on Netflix in SD. Casual viewers would complain there’s something wrong with the picture quality on their 4K TV and would end up feeling ripped off. Rather than have lots of people annoyed with them they’ll find a way to remaster it. It’s just a necessity rather than a requirement that it will get done.

    • Xandercom

      Impossible within any budget realms. TNG had most of the stock VFX footage on film. Voyager and DS9 moved to CGI for the vast majority of the series, so you’re talking about needing the entire CGI VFX budget of 7 years of production just to replace it with HD, and then you’ve got to effectivly have the same $8m budget TNG had to put the rest of it together, assuming it was all shot on film.

      What might be viable would be releasing “Endgame” and “What you leave behind” as standalone with some behind the scenes content. I doubt even that would be financially viable though.

      I do a bit of VFX in my spare time, so there is at least some 4K content out there 😉
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxNdpspzGGk

      • Eric Cheung

        I think the budget for TNG was $9 million actually.

      • Admiral SnackBar

        How was DS9 shot, anyway? I’m guessing film, but it always had this gauzy and soft look to it (especially the first few seasons). At this point, I look at it as part of its charm, but I’m curious what it would look like if it were remastered.

        • Eric Cheung

          Like all Star Trek shows until ENT season four, it was shot on film. The problem is that it was edited on videotape, so the entire show would have to be recut using the original source film. That also means that any visual effects not created in camera would have to be redone. This was a problem on the TNG sets, but not nearly as much as it would be for DS9 and VOY, which relied on a lot more CGI effects.

          That gauzy look was the DP, Marvin Rush, who moved on to VOY when it premiered. So when Jonathan West took over, after he was done on TNG, he decided to increase the depth of field, bringing the whole sets in focus. It worked thematically because season three was when the crew, especially the Siskos began to see the station as home.

      • DIGINON

        I don’t know exactly when DS9 switched to mostly CGI. I’ve read stories that the big battle scenes in Way of the Warrior (season 4) were still done with physical models. So at least for half the series they could follow a similar approach to what they did with TNG, recompositing the original filmed VFX elements. Of course, DS9 also featured some CGI from the very start, most prominently the wormhole (a stock shot reused many times).

        But you are right that towards the end it was mostly CGI. There are rumors that at least part of the original project files used for DS9 still exist, and some years ago somebody actually did a test render of a ship model from DS9 in full HD.
        I have no idea what you would pay for the number of VFX shots found on DS9 in today’s market. Prices have come down, and there are some current Sci-Fi shows that don’t have a big budget and still feature lots of VFX. Also, I don’t think it’s fair to suggest that you would basically need TNG’s 8 million budget PULS a VFX budget because VFX shots on TNG also had to be recreated, either from recombined filmed elements or recreated as CGI. So recreating one of TNG’s VFX shots was also more expensive than remastering any non-VFX shot from that show.

        • Xandercom

          You’re not just talking about the VFX shots themselves, someone has to rebuild all the models to HD standard, all that HD texturing, less creative licence as scenes would need to be recreated to near exacting specifications.
          Very few of the TNG shots were CGI, they were filmed studio models 95% of the time, hence why the production team have had access to the film which by it’s very nature is HD resolutions. Also TNG reused those stock shots over and over throughout the run of the series (think captains log with the E flying toward the camera), so once composited they are easy to insert in to the next remastered episode.

          If you expect these people to rebuild the borg complex from scratch, textured to today’s HD standards to such high extent that the level of detail is the reason for remastering it all, on a shoestring budget? You’re not got a good understanding of the VFX industry my right honourable friend.

          • StuUK

            I’d prefer them to NOT modify the original CG assets in anyway; to my eye they’re good enough to be re-rendered to 1080P as they are.

            The first question is do all those assets still exist? – Second, do the scene files exist for each CG sequence in each episode??. Obviously there are significant issues if those sequences/assets have been lost but if they do still exist…
            I’m not saying that the obtaining all of those source files and re-rendering all those sequences is an overnight task but it’s not as dominating as you think.
            Robert Bonchune has already teased us (see pic).

            PS. That DS9 HD vid is a recreation by IRML.

          • Xandercom

            the answer to both questions is very much “no”. The scenes used in those 3 YouTube videos are all that remains with that Rob’s private collection of nostalgia. No one at ILM thought to keep all the original assets for 15+ years, that’s not a service they paid for.

            The “new” CGI sections created for TNG where the film reels were missing look quite frankly terrible, and that was just a handful of shots here and there on the existing budget.

            Who’s going to recreate all the 8472 meshes and movements? All those lush Astrometrics Lab animations? Honestly, these things take days with teams of dedicated artists. Is Mike OKuda going to be paid a full time salary again at today’s prices to be supervising up this mythical VFX production team?

            In your image there – look at the rear end of the nacelles and you’ll see they are not rounded, but rather have jagged flat edges. Fixing that is known as sub patching, ie adding surface edges to smooth out which increases the size of the model and increases the render time.
            I’ve done something similar here:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H661TE8Torg

            Cut the quality of that youtube vid down to 240p and it looks very close to a typical voyager VHS. Ramp it up to 1080p and beyond and you end up with a rather flat and unrealistic looking render in spite of it’s detail. So there is going to need to be an art director to take decisions on what detail needs to be added where in order to give the thing some degree of realism. More stars smaller stars to add depth? Those warp stars were never intended to be used in an HD broadcast, so those blocky colours need to be smoothed out with someone making decisions on artistic licence.

            Respectfully, with projects like this fans are very picky. They are buying in to the HD, you can’t skip corners, say “that will do” and expect fans to be OK with it. It might suit you but for most it wont, and people will stop buying. Many of us have home cinema setups, try that image you posted above on a 120″ projector screen.

            There’s a reason DS9’s art dept won awards for it’s CGI at the time, viewers will expect to be able to see all the details in those ships which were previously little blurs in the background of battles. Artists were able to cut corners as they knew that certain things (like sub patching of models) were an unnecessary embellishment. In an HD remaster it’s those embellishments the fans want to see, and that’s what will drive up costs to – excuse the pun – astronomical proportions.

          • StuUK

            Your points are well taken!

            I do however believe that Doug Drexler has access to a lot of the assets (can’t speak for the scene files though); as to how well they stand up to HD or 4K, okay I appreciate how to the pro-semi-pro-observant eye that the answer is probably no… technically.

            Consider… When the original Star Trek (remastered) was released on BluRay there was an acknowledgement by those involved that the quality of the original effects footage fell tremendously short of the expectations demanded by a Hi-Def watching audience; so their solution was to CG the whole lot. Fan reaction however was broadly mixed and not necessarily as all embracing as one might have assumed. But the powers that be did the wise thing and opted to include all that original effects footage on those discs… That washed out, poorly resolved, scruff bag, barely standard-def footage was preserved for its participation in a Hi-Def world!

            I appreciate that there does exist a slice of the fanbase that have scored themselves a reputation for locking their interest on to the smallest of detail and push somewhat passionately for such observations to be taken on board by the community at large as revelation.
            Now that you have pointed out to me that the original CG Honshu has faceted nacelles I can see it; would I have seen it sat 10ft away from my 46” screen? I’d dare say I wouldn’t. Regardless, the knowledge of faceted nacelles still doesn’t alter my opinion that it’s a source material that when re-rendered to 1080 doesn’t actually look that bad; no, it’s not perfect (and a part of me would luuuuv to see Tobias Richter’s CG models all over that show) but the Honshu’s migration to the world of HD is significantly more successful than a lot of the stock shots of the original Enterprise.

            I’m not knocking your standards or indeed the aspirations you have for the future treatment of this show (I share them, I really do) but through the observance of the law of diminishing returns, all fans everywhere both critical and casual will have to accept that DS9 will NEVER be remastered to Hi-Def if CBS have to pass your
            standards of quality control. If by some miracle however the DS9-R project were to be green-lit, a significant swaying factor being the successful locating of all the original CG assets, would that be so bad?

          • Xandercom

            And who exactly is going to pay for all this? Are the artists mentioned supposed to give their hard work in creating their own art away at sub-studio prices? Is this now going to become more of a fan production in your eyes where artists give away their time (both current, and previously invested into their works) at sub-studio prices?

            The common misconception (which any creative will back up) is that we’re all happy to work for less than professional industry rates. It’s like going to store and asking them if they will give you all your purchases for a dollar, but you’ll tell all your friends where you bought it so it will benefit them.

            It’s a ridicules notion to be placing the artists you have mentioned into anything less than standard industry rates for their work, experience and time, which brings us back to having no budget to do all these things.

          • StuUK

            You’re roping in a few tangents and assumptions there X unless you’re an artist that’s neck deep in the industry… Know that I am not!

            Keep in mind I was simply placing an opinion that the quality of those standard-def assets when rendered out to hi-def aren’t as poor as you’re inclined to make out.

            Nobody said anything about the enslavement of artists or the giving away of their hard earned work. The context in which I mentioned those artists had zero to do with how they get paid or how cheaply their services can be had.
            Artist 1: Doug Drexler. He has a lot of the assets; you said that the assets do not exist. Artist 2: Tobias Richter. He produces outstanding quality models. I was boasting my admiration of this guy whilst offering an OPINION that the employment of his labour (or indeed that of other artists) wouldn’t really be necessary for the replacement of assets that Doug Drexler apparently has access to.
            My point was basically to offer the suggestion that not having to recreate all those assets from the ground up would surely be cheaper than hiring in the talent to recreate it.

            As to the costs involved and the placing of value on the deals that artists are prepared to accept for the application of their talent… I’m not qualified nor experienced to know what is acceptable and what isn’t.

          • Xandercom

            Again, it comes down to cost and you’re wilfully ignoring my responses to your argument. COST.

            Again, what may look nice and shiny in a still image with no movement of lighting sources will not hold up under animation in complex scenes.

            When a ship explodes someone has to create a 2nd model with the various damaged structures exploding outward. All of these things take a huge amount of time which I can’t blame you for not having a full understanding of. There’s no “explode” app, everything is designed intentionally with a specific purpose, and adjusted until it meets the storyboard.
            Throwing in a few community artist names does not a solution make.

            While the improvement in PC hardware has made tasks such as running CGI programs available to all (no more struggling to texture a model with 16mb or ram on your 486 PC) and the rendering of those productions is able to be done in a fraction of the time and budget, what hasn’t changed is the shear volume of labour involved in creating, refining and producing the work.

            Respectfully sir, you have no understanding of the complexity of work involved, which is why you have a drastically over-inflated view of what’s possible within a particular budget. A typical view held by less than knowledgeable clients I deal with on a daily basis! The first question is always.. “what’s your budget?”. In this case, your budget is zero my friend.

            You may be able to squeeze out a few VFX shots from the main budget, much like was done with the TNG remaster when original film footage could not be located for a particular shot (and contributing to the massive cost increase), but to expect to get several seasons of a CGI-heavy HD rework with the complexity of DS9 and VOY is simply not possible.

            As I said, throw a big budget at it and nothing is impossible, that’s all you’re lacking to put your plan in to action.

          • StuUK

            Crikey dude, I pretty much agree with you. I get that CG work is expensive. I get that it’s not simply a matter of hitting a button and there you go – Space battle completed. I even dabble in 3D myself; you’re preaching to the choir; you’re teaching me to suck eggs. I have not once said: “All they have to do is…”
            Shall I state explicitly? – Look: I say now, that not only would the effects work on DS9-R represent a labour intensive challenge but it would also be tremendously expensive.

            What you are wilfully ignoring is what I was basically offering when I joined this thread in which I was simply weighing up the artistic merits of an original DS9 asset based on what Rob Bonchune had achieved with the Honshu… That’s really all.
            You tell me it’s not up to snuff; I basically posited to you that if fans were prepared to accept those washed out stock shots of the original series Enterprise in Hi-Def, they’d probably embrace the original CG assets of DS9 as they are.
            Then you take me on this delightful cart race peddling things prohibitive costs, artist rights and logistics; it’s all a very ’round the houses way of debating aesthetics, Star Trek fans and original CG assets.

            I dared mention a name or two, to which you rapidly lose grip of the context of why I sited them and run off with some impression that I’m assuming all CBS need do is call on them to work the DS9-R project for little or no pay and hey, why not in their spare time as well! – Treat DS9-R like a fan project? Mate, really?? – Have you really met that many dopey fans??? — Okay, I’m not one of those!

            Respectfully sir, you need to be less sparing with your credit; especially to those that actually agree with you!

          • Xandercom

            If you think people will buy a series they likely already own with no HD VFX you’re wrong.

          • StuUK

            Mate, I’ve never actually said that. Yet again, you’ve lost your grip of the context of what I was saying!

            I actually said that the CG effects for TOS remastered scored just as much criticism as it did praise; a common sentiment was that the CG material was far too polished and ripped the viewer right out of the episode. PERSONALLY, I quite liked it for it’s novelty value… it’s newness… But wisdom prevailed and the stock shots were included as well so the purists could watch the shows with the original effects in all it’s washed out, blurry, sub-HD glory.
            This should inform you about the mentality of some members of the fan base; HD effects is not necessarily the end all and be all of a modern medium. If the point is totally irrelevant then why did CBS opt to include all that old footage in those episodes?

            Now back to those original DS9 CG assets. Based on the available information regarding the technology and skills (put logistics and costs and artist rights on the back burner for the moment – I’m talking purely the acceptance of the art by the fan base!) Based on what Rob Bonchune managed to achieve with an original CG asset, I as a fan was impressed at how well that old model was able to migrate to the world of Hi-Def. In MY opinion it entered that world far more gracefully than those knackered old stock shots of the Enterprise in TOS-R. In my opinion shots like the Hi-Def Honshu would find broad acceptance by the fanbase, faceted nacelles and all. Sure there would be a fringe who’d whinge that the footage wasn’t recreated with fresh assets but hey, we Trek fans will always find something to whinge about, yes?

            Now lets ease in very gradually the logistics of DS9-R actually becoming a reality… I know… You don’t simply hit F9 and all the battles are created overnight… I know. Despite the savings of not having to recreate fresh assets (because Doug probably has copies of them all!) the undertaking would leave CBS with little or no return on Investment. Project shelved… I get it!

          • StuUK

            Mate, I’ve never actually said that. Yet again, you’ve lost your grip of the context of what I was saying!

            I actually said that the CG effects for TOS remastered scored just as much criticism as it did praise; a common sentiment was that the CG material was far too polished and ripped the viewer right out of the episode. PERSONALLY, I quite liked it for it’s novelty value… it’s newness… But wisdom prevailed and the original stock shots were included as well so the purists could watch the shows with the original effects in all its washed out, blurry, sub-HD glory.
            This should inform you about the mentality of some members of the fan base; HD effects is not necessarily the end all and be all of a modern medium. If the point is totally irrelevant then why did CBS opt to include all that old footage in those episodes?

            Now back to those original DS9 CG assets. Based on the available information regarding the technology and skills (put logistics and costs and artist rights on the back burner for the moment – I’m talking purely the acceptance of the art by the fan base!) Based on what Rob Bonchune managed to achieve with an original CG asset, I as a fan was impressed at how well that old model was able to migrate to the world of Hi-Def. In MY opinion it entered that world far more gracefully than those knackered old stock shots of the Enterprise in TOS-R. In my opinion shots like the Hi-Def Honshu would find broad acceptance by the fanbase, faceted nacelles and all. Sure there would be a fringe who’d whinge that the footage wasn’t recreated with fresh assets but hey, we Trek fans will always find something to whinge about, yes?

            Now lets ease in very gradually the logistics of DS9-R actually becoming a reality… I know… You don’t simply hit F9 and walk away with completed space battles rendered overnight… I know. Despite the savings in cost, talent and time with not having to recreate fresh assets (because Doug probably has copies of them all!) the undertaking would leave CBS with little or no return on Investment. Project shelved… I get it!

          • Xandercom

            I think you’ve completely lost track of the point you were trying to make in responding to my post, and now going to extraordinary lengths to Reductio ad absurdum my responses to you.
            What an extraordinary display!

          • StuUK

            What’s extraordinary is this far in, after a ton of repetition and reiteration regarding what I’ve been saying throughout this conversation we learn that it is in fact you who is having a tough time taking on board a point of view; despite having said multiple times now that I appreciate where you’re coming from (tangents and all), that I even agree with a lot of what you have said, despite the fact that I’ve repeatedly offered justification for a point of view…

            Christ, the number of times I’ve made a reference to Rob Bonchune, the re-rendered Honshue, the FX in TOS Remasted, the availability of the original CG assets, in pretty much every post.

            I can only assume that you have attempted to respond without actually reading what you’ve been responding to; either that or you are actually pulling my leg, yanking my chain, taking the p!$$!

            My most recent post reads almost like a summary… If you’re having a tough time getting what I was on about prior to that (maybe I suck at English… Maybe, though I doubt it!) perhaps confine your study to that. But I’m not going to repeat this stuff again!

      • M33

        Wow, man.
        Voyager NEVER looked so good!
        Got any DS9 or Enterprise work?
        I’m very impressed.
        You do this as a hobby or as a profession as well?

    • GIBBS v2

      That is exactly what Behr is fishing for, renewed interest that produces more residuals.

  • This is cool and all… but I’m more interested in seeing DS9 remastered… xD

  • Jamie

    A -FLIPPING-MAZING!

    This is the most exciting Star Trek news in a HECK of a long time!!
    I desperately hope this will also be done for VOYAGER too.

    We were lucky to get a TNG & ENT cast and crew discussion on the Blurays which I’ve watched many times over.

    I would love this documentary to be released on DVD or Bluray, hoping it will run at least 2 hours!

    TREKCORE, any news on those La La Land soundtracks that were promised this year.
    DS9, VOY & ENT were all supposed to be getting more compilations this year. It’s nearly mid August & no sign of anything yet.

    • No word yet, Jamie – LLL is known for making their soundtrack announcements within days of preorder availability (and not telling anyone ahead of time!) so we’ll know as soon as everyone else does 🙂

      • Jamie

        Thank you for the prompt reply.

  • Eric Cheung

    I’m a bit curious if Weddle and Thompson were asked to help break that season eight premiere. They weren’t exactly freelancers, and it was Behr who brought them onto the staff as well. Are they just not in the area anymore?

    • The Bandsaw Vigilante

      Haha, was just thinking the same thought — whatever VFX footage they use is gonna look just absolutely awful downrezzed in 480i/p, in DVD quality…

  • archer923

    Maybe he’s just bored of talking about DS9. Anyone can end up like that. Or maybe he thought what he said for the captaincy doc was enough. And it just be a repeat?

  • Madis

    I hope I have finished Making of book by then. But also hope I haven’t (I know I will be) yet finished with the series (currently in the end of S5).

  • Hey CBS! Please give us at least a “Best of DS9” HD remaster. “The Visitor, “In the Pale Moonlight” and “Far Beyond the Stars” don’t have THAT much in the way of visual effects.

  • GIBBS v2

    Does Brooks have steady work or was he too stoned to participate? I loved Sisko, he had his own style that I would at the same level of Picard and Kirk.

  • Robert Anthony

    Can’t wait for this documentary. I too, hope it stirs-up interest in remastering DS9 for bluray. I love this show.

  • Guest

    It’s a real shame Avery Brookes refused to take part in the doc. I wonder why he chose not to, when everyone else apparently took part. I know Brookes has always been rather eccentric, but he did Shatner’s ‘Captains’ documentary, and he’s done plenty of convention appearances over the years, so why would he sit out a documentary focused solely on a show in which he was the main star? That’s just baffling.

    • PJ

      Probably because he’d have to deal with the subject of how he made everyone’s time on the sets miserable with his pomposity. That and the fact he’s now borderline insane. I was waiting for the nurses to arrive with the screens when I saw his piano stuff with Shatner on “The Captains.”

  • Robert Dassler

    I want this. I want this right now.

  • Michael

    Avery Brooks has gone off the deep end. Dude really is “Far beyond the stars” as his insanity has reached new places recently.

    It’s simply amazing that he was able to complete 7 seasons of Star Trek. Avery is like a mega stoned version of Siskos alternate universe version.

    Shame on him for not doing this project as DS9 is the only project that made him relevant at all.

    • PJ

      Very well said. There’s taking the acting craft seriously, and then there’s just being a stuck up creep. Brooks has well crossed the line into the latter. Assuming he wasn’t always already there.

  • Paul L

    Even a discussion of an eighth season of Deep Space 9 has me excited – especially with the core group of writers. I’ve always wondered what the next chapter would be and how Sisko would come back. The DS9 relaunch novels just don’t feel right.

    This was the richest and most brilliant Trek series for me and I’m glad a documentary is being made, but it’s really sad to learn that Avery wouldn’t sign on. Maybe he was too busy with prior commitments or something.

  • Pedro Ferreira

    It’s pretty obvious DS9 will get remastered at some point, we just have to wait.

  • Kenneth Hammer

    While I realize that there hasn’t been any word on this, I would love it if this DS9 documentary was intended to be included in a DVD Re-release next year. It is also the 25th Anniversary of DS9 in 2018.