Netflix securing international rights to STAR TREK: DISCOVERY was met with understandable grumbles in the US and Canada… but widespread excitement everywhere else.

In the past, watching Star Trek outside of North America could be an arduous task, due to unforgiving TV schedules and exorbitantly-expensive VHS releases. Suddenly the tables have turned and international fans have a better deal.

How did this happen – and what does it mean for DISCOVERY and CBS All Access?

International fans finally catch a break

I’ll use my country, Australia, to illustrate what a game-changer the Netflix deal is for international Trek fans.


During the Rick Berman era, watching Star Trek here was a struggle. Episodes aired late at night – years after their initial US broadcasts – and frequently ran late. If you could afford $AU 20 per tape of the two-episode VHS releases, you could buy the months-late home releases. Star Trek was either a scheduling afterthought or a lucrative revenue stream at a time when only the passionate spent money on TV shows.

Star Trek: Enterprise turned the tide a little, airing within just months of its US premiere – but the internet was then booming, and we knew more keenly that we were being left behind. Sure, US scheduling wasn’t perfect: syndication timeslots varied wildly, and UPN availability could be patchy. For most Americans, through, it was a reliable primetime fixture.

In that context, the scale of some fans’ fury at STAR TREK: DISCOVERY being confined to CBS All Access was for me – initially, at least – a little hard to sympathize with.

Longtime Americans fans have been used to free and easily accessible Star Trek – and in recent years, cheap streaming services offering a suite of high-quality original programming. Learning that they would now need to pay for new Star Trek content was naturally jarring, not to mention the uncertain technical quality of the platform.

But $5.99 a month (less than $25 USD for the thirteen-episode first season) wasn’t an outlandish ask: an iTunes standard-definition season pass would cost more. Many pay more for HBO Now just to watch Game of Thrones. In the 1990s, international fans paid vastly more for those VHS tapes I mentioned (not that we’d now wish that on anyone).

A box of ‘Next Generation’ two-episode VHS tapes; not very shelf-friendly.

Few would prefer paying for an All Access subscription over a more generous Netflix one: of course it’s not ideal. But from my usually Trek-starved overseas perspective, it just didn’t seem too bad, especially given we don’t know what CBS’s bigger plan might be.

Yes, Star Trek is an American production, but it’s one with an international fanbase that supports it financially. The notion that we’d all have have to do our bit to support Trek’s long-awaited return to TV reflected the globalization of Hollywood distribution – and of Star Trek itself.

Then the Netflix deal turned that upside down.

US and Canada get a raw deal

International fans might have dreamed Netflix would pick up DISCOVERY after missing out on US broadcast rights, but the more likely and expected outcome was a piecemeal distribution plan by territory, to a variety of broadcast and streaming outlets. Some countries would fare better than the US, some way worse – but the idea that CBS would give nearly every other country a better deal seemed too good to be true.

But that’s precisely what happened when CBS and Netflix announced a partnership that would bring the new series to 188 countries worldwide – a number that includes neither the United States or Canada – and that new episodes of DISCOVERY will arrive on the most reliable and widely-supported streaming service on the planet, just hours after their American debut.

Those who don’t already subscribe to Netflix will also receive an array of high-quality original and catalog shows and films when they sign up, including the entire Star Trek television library.

It felt like we won the lottery.

Great news for us – no more waiting for new Trek.

After the euphoria subsided, the reversal of fortune became clear. American viewers are being asked to support a corporate experiment, while their overseas counterparts get the very deal that many fans the world over were clamoring for.

For US fans, the show will debut on CBS All Access, the network’s nascent streaming service offering little other content, much of it also available elsewhere. Not yet two years old, All Access has somewhat mixed user reviews, and is only available on a limited number of devices – meaning that some fans will actually need to purchase new hardware before they can watch DISCOVERY on television, as a multitude of Blu-ray players, Smart TVs, and other connected devices do not yet carry All Access apps.

Plus, each episode will contain around twelve minutes of advertisements – while certainly less ad time than traditional television broadcasts, Netflix will run STAR TREK: DISCOVERY commercial-free. CBS is still only “toying” with adding an ad-free tier, but at present it seems that viewers will get only the basic cable experience, not the brave new streaming one.

And let’s not forget Canada’s more complex arrangement, where the show will air first on ad-supported Bell Media cable channels and then some time later on their streaming service. Canadian fans may need a cable subscription to be part of the conversation.


CBS President and CEO Les Moonves is confident in making Star Trek the linchpin of a new streaming service because its fans always pursue new content – but this may be a bridge too far. When Netflix launched House of Cards, a huge subscriber base was already hooked into their vast content library.

CBS believes it doesn’t need that in order to get fans and other interested viewers to sign up to yet another service.

Is CBS hedging its bets?

This distinct possibility helps explain the Netflix deal, which provides CBS with a massive safety net. It’s so massive you have to wonder how confident they are in their new baby. Is DISCOVERY a litmus test for whether the market can accommodate a studio-specific streamer lacking a host of killer apps – and if it fails they’ll settle for third parties, knowing they at least tried?

Netflix underwrites this gamble because their license fee will recoup much of the production costs for the show – some of that 60% coverage Moonves touted back in March, and likely one of the primary reasons why Moonves recently revealed that the new show is already profitable. Netflix’s worldwide platform will also put DISCOVERY in front of many new eyeballs, deepening the Star Trek brand.

But Netflix is a behemoth, which has two implications.

The placeholder description for DISCOVERY on Netflix’s international listings.

First, the show is being labelled as “Netflix Original” – potentially even in the opening credits sequence – meaning most international viewers will consider it to be another Netflix show in the vein of Orange is the New Black or Marvel’s Daredevil.

With the old shows also included on the service, some will assume Star Trek now belongs to Netflix, a brand with significant consumer awareness. Any international expansion CBS may have hoped for in the future won’t be preceded by brand-building – and CBS will be a non-entity to many, many viewers of Star Trek.

Secondly, Netflix’s commitment is so comprehensive that if All Access flops, it could step in, offer CBS more money, and take over domestic distribution for future seasons of the show. Their meticulous viewing data for the old shows led to Netflix to eagerly pursue DISCOVERY, demonstrating Star Trek’s substantial continuing value. CBS needn’t fear the franchise will be marooned by a failed gamble.

What’s odd is that Netflix have secured global rights to the existing shows, including the US and Canada. It was logical to assume – and feared by some – CBS would pull the previous television episodes from Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu to increase All Access’s value proposition. If Trek fans wanted to stream any of the TV episodes, they’d need CBS All Access.

Luckily this did not come to pass, but this now means that fans less incentive to keep subscribing once the first season of DISCOVERY concludes; it seems certain that a number of viewers will “binge and bail” on the streaming service, spending the smallest amount of money possible to watch the new show.

Was this an unfortunate side effect of the security the Netflix deal provided? Netflix likely insisted on obtaining rights to the full Trek back catalog in all countries, as part of their push to secure global rights to all third-party content going forward.

They may also be playing a long game, putting the pieces in place to become the global home of Star Trek. For the contractual convenience and license fee Netflix offered for DISCOVERY, CBS may have been elbowed into renewing and expanding their competitor’s catalog Trek deal.

By surrendering a calling card, All Access may now be more fragile.

Now we watch – and wait

It increasingly appears American viewers are being asked to help CBS test the waters – but while they’re smart enough to take advantage of the new global distribution paradigm, CBS may be underestimating how connected international Star Trek fandom has become.

Plenty of North American fans will learn about the better deal enjoyed nearly everywhere else on Earth. At least it may mean they can look forward to a better deal for later seasons if All Access flops.


That’s not much consolation in the meantime, but CBS has at least proven they understand and care about Star Trek, financing a loving high-definition restoration of The Next Generation and hiring an probably the most ideal showrunner for DISCOVERYafter all, the franchise could surely be in far worse hands.

If I lived in the US, I’d give CBS a chance and subscribe to All Access in January… but I would certainly join fans in speaking out if the service doesn’t deliver. CBS must recognize that even Star Trek fans have their limits – and they’d be wise to ensure All Access is utterly reliable and feature-rich if they want to escape Netflix’s shadow.

Jack Reed writes about film and TV while blogging at Remote Wanderings.
A lifelong Star Trek fan, he suffers from DS9 VHS Retention Disorder.

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  • bbock

    It means that I will not be watching Star Trek: Discovery. I already subscribe to Netflix and Hulu and I have Amazon Prime. And I have a basic cable TV package. I can’t justify the expense of yet another TV package. It makes no sense to me to spend the money for ONE SHOW. So, I’m hoping that CBS All Access fails miserably, but Star Trek: Discovery succeeds because of the Netflix deal so that at some point in the future, they will turn off the CBS service and make deals for their content on the other services.

    • bbock

      The other unfortunate part of this is how all the ads affect the show. Look at Stranger Things and the Marvel shows on Netflix. Each season is like a movie. Since they were not designed for commercials, they don’t have the traditional structure of a hour long (with commercials) show. They don’t have to have acts with drama that rises and falls during each act, holding the action at the commercial and then resuming it afterward. You really notice this artificiality in story telling when you watch a TV show on DVD or streaming when it was originally a show with commercials. The other stylistic limitation they seem to be accepting is that every story has to be a specific length. That’s not so with a lot of Netflix originals. So they don’t have to trim down scenes to fit. If you need a moment for dramatic effect, you can take it. I suppose CBS is playing it safe so that the show could easily be slotted into syndication at some time in the future. But if feels like a missed opportunity to improve on the form.

      • Shawn

        Fuller has said that they have a range of times. So it’s not as clear cut as in the past. But I’m watching some shows from the 2000s and sometimes it’s hard to tell where the commercials were. It depends on how you write it. TOS did it very obviously. I remember it less well in DS9 episodes. Depends on the writing, directing and such.

    • Shawn

      Why not simply cancel one of the for a half year? Switch back when done? I typically cancel my HBO subscription when Last Week Tonight finishes a season. Or is on a long hiatus. (Though I wish I could buy it on Google Play or something.)

      • Fctiger

        LOL exactly! Why do people treat streaming sites like they have two year contracts with them??? Thats the advantage of streaming sites vs cable it is ONLY a month contract, you can cancel at ANYTIME and then re-sub later also at anytime. I been doing this with Netflix for years. I watch for a few months, then I cancel. Then when they premiere a new show or new season, I subscribe again, its never an issue. I punch a few keys I’m back on in seconds with the same price as if I never left.

        People act like they can’t just cancel a service for a freakin month. Its not cable, you’re not tied for two years, thats the point. Stop turning mountains out of moehills, if you can’t afford the $5.99 a month with the other stuff you’re paying for, wait until the show season is finished, cancel Netflix or Amazon for a month, watch the show and anything you deem worthy and if its not holding your interest for too long cancel it and go back to whatever you had before. If you are smart enough to get to through college and/or have kids you can figure this out.

    • paulthefencer

      Can you not just add Space to your existing package? Usually you can add individual digital channels.

      • Shawn

        He is not Canadian. You can tell because he can subscribe to Hulu, which we don’t have up here. So he cannot subscribe to Space, as it’s a Canadian cable TV station.

  • phyfell

    Does anyone know if Netflix accounts are accessible from any region? If so, that what would stop Netflix subscribers from using VPN services like TunnelBear to mask their IP addresses so as to appear to be from another country, and then log into their Netflix account under that pretense and watch whatever content is available in said country, including Star Trek Discovery?

  • Life In Episodes

    Excellent article. I do understand why US fans may feel betrayed by the international deal. But “Star Trek: Discovery” is not the only show for which such a deal is in place. For example, “Penny Dreadful” is a “Netflix Original” over here in Germany while it’s on Showtime in the US.

    And I gotta say, as German “Star Trek” fan I’m completely thrilled about “Discovery” being on Netflix.. For years and years we’ve had to wait almost a year for new seasons to be broadcast on German TV. Also, they were dubbed and the dubbing could be truly horrific, especally concerning TOS and TNG. They would give some episodes the most bizarre German titles.

    Then in 1995 Paramount started to release VHS tapes of TOS, TNG and DS9 which contained the German versions of the episodes as well as the English ones. But those tapes were 50 bucks a pop and only contained 2 episodes! Who on Earth (uh, in the Federation) could afford those?! Certainly not me, I was just 14 years old back then and I was so happy to just get a handful of those tapes.

    Long story short: I would gladly pay 5 bucks a month for CBS All Access if I had to because I remember a time very VERY well, when original language Trek was lightyears beyond my reach.

    • TMG

      That picture of Data pretty much sums my reaction up, when I heard that Star Trek comes to Netflix here in Germany. I trust Netflix a lot more with localization than Sat1. But yeah: If I were in the US, I would also gladly pay for All Access.

    • SFSeries&Movies

      Nice read, this article! Live in the Netherlands and I too purchased the VHS video’s in the 90s of DS9, Voy and Babylon 5! It was the only way to see it as soon as possible. It was broadcast at least a year later on Dutch television. So yeah I’m thrilled too with this deal with netflix. Couldn’t be happier!

  • Bshaw

    Disappointed that, here in the UK, it was not purchased by a free-to-air or, at the very least, Sky. Am not a Netflix subscriber and have not interest in it, so will not be watching the series

    • James

      Surprising! It only costs £5.99 per month and you get a month free. I purchased the VHS tapes for TNG and then Voyager – at £10.99 EACH. It’s a bargain my friend.

      • Cabo 5150

        Well, it’s actually £7.49 for HD – which I assume just about everyone will require.

        My membership is currently lapsed, but I’m certainly more willing to stump up £22.47 to cover a three month sub and watch the series.

        As you say, a fair price.

        I usually spend more than £25 if I take my wife to the local multiplex for one movie!

    • I’m in the UK too – I would imagine that Sky would still pick up the series but they just won’t get first run. So you can watch it on Netflix when it comes out immediately or wait for it to be on Sky (presumably after all 13 episodes have been released on Netflix – as that is usually the way these distribution things work).

    • awesomesocks42

      Sky would have been a far worse alternative. Netflix has a much much better catalog than sky does, and I for one am delighted I won’t need to get a sky subscription to watch this. Why do you have no interest in Netflix? It’s worth it just for the Star Trek and that’s not even counting the plethora of amazing shows that are only available there.

    • Shawn

      In Canada I feel cable costs way too much. I’d cut the cord if my wife didn’t claim to want local news she rarely watched or sporting events like the Olympics. I’d just wait longer to watch shows and buy shows instead of paying to ‘rent’ them on broadcast/PVR.

  • Shawn

    It’s great to see an positive article showing the other side of the conversation. As a Canadian, I’m lucky that I’m a Bell subscriber. It will probably be easiest for me to watch it. But I’d prefer it to be on Netflix. I wonder if people can buy season on Google Play and iTunes like other shows during the first run.

    • Gilbetron

      What about those poor souls like me that can’t subscribe to Bell…? (No satellite dishes allowed in my community.)

      • Shawn

        There are other cable solutions. You just need Space. Maybe stream it on After it is broadcast (the day after? after season 1 finished) it will be on Crave TV. Just sign up to that when it’s out.

        And that’s assuming it won’t be on iTunes and Play Store like other shows are the day after they are broadcast. (Like Game of Thrones.) Perhaps we can buy the full season in advance like others.

  • Ed Lilli

    I hate that it’s going to be on All Access. It’s unfair that we have to pay for another service here in the US. I feel for all the people who weren’t able to watch it before streaming, in Germany and Australia and the like. It’s the same way with Shadowhunters. If you don’t have cable in the US you can’t see it. If you live outside the US you can see it the next day on Netflix. It’s an unsavory practice. I hope these companies get their comeuppance, just like the cable companies are getting now. I will pay the 5.99 and then jump ship right after. I hate them for it and they’ll receive no brand loyalty from me. I’ll also dog them every chance I get. Every.

    • Shawn

      I understand your feelings. However, CBS must get paid. Before advertisers used to pay. But with people not watching broadcast they just aren’t paying. Not enough, I guess. I have friends that pay almost $200 a month for cable. I guess paying for a few streaming services is the flip side of that.

      Also, it might be available just to buy on Google Play / iTunes. Game of Thrones is available the day after it’s released on those services. You can buy the season in advance.

  • Nicolas Sant’Iago

    I’m a brazilian and here the most accessable series are TOS and TNG. They’re in DVD and Blu-ray. But watch DS9, VOY and ENT is almost impossible. DS9 and VOY had only their first three seasons released in DVD and nothing more, while ENT got just the first two. Finding these releases today is also almost impossible. Beyond that, all the series aren’t being broadcast in TV, so the best way to watch Star Trek in Brazil is through ilegal means.

    So for me, this deal with Netflix is basically trekker paradise. I can understand the frustration of north-american viewers, but I think CBS and Netflix realized that the international market can be more lucrative that just the north-american market.

  • GIBBS v2

    Will Discovery be shot with commercial beats in mind or will it be true to it’s story telling self like an Episode of Game of Thrones?

    Commercials take you out of the moment and often you would get that little overlap of the same scene but from a slightly new angle. Picard gives the order to fire, we cut to a McDonalds commercial, back to the show and Picard is giving the order to fire again…

    • Shawn

      It could go either way. Some of Fuller’s earlier work do have clear cuts for commercial when watching them on DVD. I haven’t seen his more recent stuff. I think TV shows do that less now anyway. So I am leaning toward it being less noticeable.

  • Gilbetron

    This is such a painful subject to me, as a Canadian. The article touches on it only briefly, but Canada by far has the worst deal here. I’m not able to even subscribe to Bell if I wanted to (I don’t want to), as it would require the installation of a satellite dish, which is not allowed in the community I live in. So I’m not even sure where that leaves me. All I need is a streaming option somewhere. Hopefully I can find one!

    • Shawn

      It will be streaming on Crave TV after an undefined amount of time. Will it be a day later? A month? After they all run on Space? Half a year later? They haven’t said. Just ‘after.’

      Also, some TV shows are available on the Space website when they air.

      • Tim Ruben

        I have spoken to Space via Facebook and the plan is each episode of Discovery will air multiple times during the week and only AFTER the first season has aired in its entirety will it be available on Crave. Discovery will not be available on the Space website.

        This is business move by Bell to try and curb cord cutting.

        • Shawn

          Yeah, I thought that was a clear possibility. Still up in the air: the day after, or 6 months after, or between. But thanks for the info.

        • Gilbetron

          Absolutely unacceptable. Why is Canada the only country in the world not to have a same-day streaming option? CBS should *never* have licensed the series to Bell if they weren’t going to provide the same service the entire rest of the world is going to enjoy. So as someone who literally *can’t* subscribe, I have zero options for watching Discovery until the first season is well finished (no one knows when that will be) and the internet is flooded with spoilers.

          To put it mildly, I’m furious. All I want to do is be able to pay someone, anywhere, to watch the new Star Trek. And no one will take my money. TrekCore, I don’t condone piracy anymore than you do, but it’s situations like this, when no one is offering any option at all, that forces people’s hands.

          • Shawn

            Maybe because when they inked the deal they didn’t think most regions would have a same day streaming option. Maybe they hadn’t begun talks with Netflix. I don’t know.

            Though it would make sense to go all in on streaming. CBS is trying to disrupt. But Bell is trying to thwart disruption. Odd union.

          • Gilbetron

            Good analysis, Shawn. Totally backward situation now. And especially frustrating since Discovery is being produced here in Canada…

          • paulthefencer

            Then pay for cable if you can’t get Bell Satellite where you are. There. Done. No streaming needed.

          • Gilbetron

            Yeah… I think I’m speaking for millions of people the world over when I say, thanks but no thanks. People have been voting with their wallets for years, to the point that the cable business model is quickly going out of style. Streaming is standard now. I won’t change my whole media philosophy over this one little blip on the radar. You’d probably say, “Well, shut up and stop complaining.” And I suppose you’re not exactly wrong about that. 🙂 But I will continue to point out that the absence of a streaming option here in Canada is really, really weird in the context of everything that’s going on.

  • Robert Anthony

    I’ll be waiting for the BluRays and trying to avoid spoilers. I haven’t had cable/satellite for more than a decade and I live in Canada. :-p

    • Shawn

      Does Space allow you to watch episodes on their website? Maybe some will be there? I feel like they don’t. But I’m not sure.

    • Gilbetron

      Same with me, I guess. It sucks to live in the only country in the world that won’t get the new show streamed. For a show that was billed at first to be streaming-exclusive, this is inexplicable, and frankly unacceptable. CBS should never have licensed the series to Bell unless Bell was going to provide the same service every other country is getting. What the hell? This is moronic.

      The only difference between you and me, Robert, is that I actually *can’t* subscribe to Bell, even if I wanted to. So I have zero options for watching the new Star Trek outside of piracy. (And no, TrekCore, I don’t condone piracy either.) I may as well live on another planet as far as CBS and Bell is concerned.

      • jstimson

        Actually, you can get Crave TV as a standalone app on various devices without needing any link to the Bell mothership. So we have a legal way to catch STD (oops, unfortunate sequence of words there) in Canada. I have recently cut my cable and replaced it with Netflix and Shomi and expect to add Crave in January. Those 3 streaming services still add up to much less than what I was shelling out for cable and more than cover what I can (or want to) watch.

        • Gilbetron

          Well, that would be great. But my understanding is that Crave TV will not stream the new Star Trek until well after the first season completes its run, which means you won’t be able to stream it here until at least 2-3 months, minimum, after the premiere.

          This is my beef. Unless I’m mistaken about the above (please, I beg you to prove me wrong) there’s no legal way to watch Discovery in Canada, period, unless you have a cable subscription.

          Why CBS is allowing any licensee to do this is beyond me.

          • Shawn

            At first you said ‘can’t subscribe to Bell.’ But now you are saying you cannot subscribe to cable at all. So I will assume that’s your main point. I don’t know if alternatives like VMedia might work for you, or not.

          • Gilbetron

            Yeah, sorry. I was wrong about that. As you correctly pointed out, I can get Space through other cable means besides Bell itself. So yeah, my beef is that for some reason we’re the only place in the world that’s not getting the show streamed through us, which is pretty backward. (Especially considering Discovery is being produced in Toronto.)

          • Justin Bozalina

            This. This right here. As a US expat living in Canada, I’ve become used to rolling my eyes over anything related to Bell (I’m a cord-cutter), but this realization that we’re the only country in the world that won’t have a first-run streaming option available has me absolutely livid. It’s Star Trek: I want to support the show and all the people involved with it, especially since it’s being made IN Canada!

          • The Chadwick

            Oh dude I feel the same, I am livid. Im in Hamilton Ontario, so damn close to Toronto…I wonder if I can still get in as an extra hmmm lol, anyway. No kidding, its being filmed in Toronto and we don’t get first run streaming!? WTF! Bell…they have the distribution rights for Star Trek in Canada as its on their Space channel and their CraveTV streaming service. I guess they A: want to make a statement to cord cutters like us B: give cord cutters a reason to buy cable again C: pushing non cord cutters to stay tethered, or D: all of the above….guess I am going to have to go to a friends house to watch Discovery as I did with Game of Thrones. Sorry Bell, at your HD package prices, never coming back to cable.

            But at least Netflix Canada has mirrored Netflix world wide with the previous Star Trek series making them all available again. For the longest time Netflix Canada ONLY had TOS and TNG. Although that didn’t matter to me cuz I have all the DVD and blu-ray, no need to use internet data. And ill always buy Trek blu-rays. But then CraveTV came along and not only does it have all the series as well including the cartoon, Star Trek on CraveTV among a few shows WITH IN ITS OWN CATEGORY, which is badass. Interesting/cool that they have The Cage as a standalone.

            Im a cord cutter as well. I was paying top dollar for my HD cable package, cuz I also had movie channels and specialty channels like Nat Geo, Showtime, HBO etc. Was well over $100 a month! I’ve had Netflix for ages but I also have Bell’s CraveTV and Rogers Shomi streaming apps, movie AND TV shows are covered..just under $30 total for all three. Cant lose.

          • Paul

            I work for Rogers but I have friends at Bell and this is my understanding from the bits and pieces they’ve got. Each episode of Discovery will debut on Space the same day it becomes available on All Access in the US. Each new episode will be aired daily until the next episode if uploaded on All Access. Crave TV will not host any episodes online until after Season 1 has fully aired on Space. The only way to see Discovery in Canada first hand is by watching it on Space.

          • The Chadwick

            This is pretty much what I assumed from the wording. Want to watch each episode as it airs? Get cable and watch it on Space. If not, you must wait for the season to be complete before it is available on CraveTV streaming.

            I hope CraveTV makes it available faster than The Expanse. Great sci fi so far, want to see more, but Ive only seen the first episode on a special Space channel youtube broadcast (still on youtube) but I don’t have cable so I can’t watch it on Space. Since Space is Bell Media I assumed it would be up on CraveTV shortly after the completion of the first season. Last episode of season one aired Feb 2, 2016…still nothing. Not on Netflix Canada either.

            There is no way I am going to wait for a season of Discovery to complete before watching it on CraveTV, all the spoilers ill get and conversations ill miss, which means…i’m going to a friends house who has cable as I did for Game of Thrones lol.

          • jstimson

            The Crave TV showing is “unspecified”. So can’t say for sure what the delay is.

            Directly on the Bell site. Pulled quote out here but can read for full in link.

            “With Bell Media’s acquisition of the exclusive linear television and
            subscription video on demand (SVOD) rights in English and French in
            Canada, each episode of the new STAR TREK series will be available simultaneously with its release in the U.S.”

            “The first episode will premiere on Canada’s most watched broadcast network, CTV, on the same night as CBS. All remaining episodes will initially be televised on Bell Media’s cable networks, Space (in English) and Z (in French), and then later exclusively on CraveTV™, Bell Media’s streaming video-on-demand service.”


          • Shawn

            Yes, it will air on Space at the same time. But it will not be on VOD for people who don’t have cable. It will not be on Crave TV, for example. And someone else said that Space said it will not be on their website.

          • jstimson

            Um, perhaps you missed this part?

            “……and then later exclusively on CraveTV™, Bell Media’s streaming video-on-demand service.”

            So yes, it WILL be on Crave TV and it WILL be on Space (the channel, not the website). I linked to the actual BELL press release dated 18 July 2016. Take a moment to go and read it from the source.

            And in case there is any confusion, Crave TV is available to any Canadian with internet. The app is available for:

            •iPad, iPod and iPhone running iOS 7.1+ with AirPlay
            •Android tablets and smartphones running version 4.0+
            •Windows desktop, tablets and smartphones running version 8.1
            •Mac: 10.6+: Browsers: Safari, Firefox and Chrome
            •PC: IE10+, Firefox, Chrome
            •Apple TV: Apple TV 2+, OS Version of 6.0+
            •Samsung SmartTV and blu-ray players with Samsung Smart Hub: 2013 – 2015
            •Xbox One

            It costs $7.99 CDN a month and you DO NOT need to be a Bell subscriber to use this.

          • Gilbetron

            Shawn’s point is that it will be available on Crave TV *later*. Everywhere else, the show is being streamed on first broadcast, which is the sticking point and the thing we’re all talking about. Crave TV will stream it, sure, but at some undisclosed time in the future, probably after the whole season is out, possibly at the same time as the blu-ray comes out.

            Somewhat more unlikely, it could be made available on Crave TV the day after first broadcast on Space. Which I would be overjoyed by, but with Bell working so hard to keep their first-run content on cable, I’m skeptical.

      • Shawn

        One of your points:

        CBS should never have licensed the series to Bell unless Bell was going to provide the same service every other country is getting. What the hell? This is moronic.

        They may have through that they were going to have it on traditional channels around the world. They may have been surprised by Netflix’s offer. They may have done the Bell deal first. So in their eyes, it might not be Canada that is different. It might be the rest of the world that is being weird and going against what they expected.

        • Gilbetron

          I’m quite confident you’re right.

          It doesn’t make me feel better. 🙂

          • Shawn

            Whenever I am right, it’s rarely good.

      • paulthefencer

        Actually Gilbetron, if you’re referring to Bell in Canada, you don’t need to subscribe to Bell. Because Bell owns CTV and Space Chanel which is where Discovery will air. And all satellite and cable companies carry CTV and Space. So, for me this is especially good news because my internet is so slow that I can’t really stream shows anyway. I’m ecstatic that it’ll air on regular broadcast TV in Canada.

        • Gilbetron

          Thanks, Paul. You are correct. Someone else pointed out the same, but as a cord-cutter it doesn’t really solve the main problem, which is that for some reason (I have my guesses), Canada is now the only country in the world not to have a same-day streaming option, and in fact it’s not clear when we’ll have any streaming option at all.

          Shawn pointed out elsewhere that it’s likely CBS made the deal with Bell before the global Netflix deal came onto their radar. Thus, Canada is now the odd man out of their global streaming-exclusive strategy.

          • paulthefencer

            Well actually, Gilbetron that may not be a problem either. Because when I first heard the news that the show was coming and that it’d be CBS Direct, I was furious, because I’m not a cord cutter and I don’t stream anything due to slow internet However out of curiosity I checked to find out if we could even get CBS Direct in Canada because usually we can’t watch shows from U.S. website. But CBS Direct is actually only available in the U.S. and Canada. So for the 5 or 6 dollars per month you can stream it. Unless something has changed that I’m not aware of.

          • Shawn

            By CBS Direct do you mean All Access. Or is this a separate product. If separate, I don’t think DSC will be on it.

          • Gilbetron

            CBS All-Access will not be available in Canada, no.

            I sympathize with your plight, Paul. Ideally I think the show should be available over the air as well as by streaming. I spent some time a few years ago up in Yellowknife, Northwest Territories, where essentially no one can stream anything because all internet access is metered, making streaming exorbitantly expensive for most people. I myself live in a rural region even now, though we finally have access to good high-speed internet. So I’m not in favour of streaming-only, generally speaking, because it favours urban areas and screws over people in rural areas.

            But there’s no denying that Canada is now the anomaly. CBS’s deal with Bell is directly contrary to their global distribution strategy.

          • paulthefencer

            Sorry, I mean “All Access”, not Direct.

          • paulthefencer

            Ah man sorry to hear that, Gilbetron. When I first looked into it last year it was available. They must have changed the rules after the Bell deal.

  • Wes

    US fans are still fuming at CBS so much so that they’re threatening to not watch Discovery at all. We have been begging for a new show for over a decade and now we have one coming and yet people are still upset? Wow, ridiculous. Fans, let me say this… if the international community was getting ripped off by this instead of us would you have felt any differently? Fine, then, don’t watch it. No one is forcing anyone to watch this (I for one will watch it because I will be mainly curious). IF you decide not to see this show, you will cause the end of Discovery and worse yet, you’re causing the death of the franchise. And if you cause the death of the franchise, guess who I will blame? Yup, the fans. So think about that while you consider not watching Discovery.

    • Shawn

      In fact, it may be the end of CBS. The entire reason that CBS is doing this is to find a way to stay in business in this Brave New Digital World. On the other hand, they may get out of the broadcast business and just start making content for Netflix. Who knows.

      • Shawn

        Some shows do have episodes on Space. But I don’t think all of them are available.

        • Dwight Williams

          Not all shows are available via their website, and those that are…well, their access via that route varies from series to series.

      • prometheus59650

        I do.

        The notion of CBS closing up its network businesses just to become a subsidiary studio for Netflix is just silly.

        It’s been the most watched broadcast television network for the better part of a decade running and there have been weeks where CBS has had literally all 10 of the top ten most-watched shows for the week.

        There’s no chance. None.

        That’s not to say that they don’t want to compete with Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu. That’s why DSC exists at all. They want to turn CBSAA into a premium platform and that’s dependent upon content.

        But CBS is going nowhere because the network’s not anything close to broken or desperate.

        NBC on the other hand….

        • Shawn

          This is based on the idea that people are going to watch broadcast TV. The idea of a TV schedule is archaic. It cannot die soon enough in my opinion. The same brilliance that has them at the top of the pile might be exactly why they fear they might go out of business.

          In fact, it might be very smart. Disrupt or be disrupted.

          • prometheus59650

            And lots of people watch time-shifted.

            And millions of people per night actually watch schedule TV. You might think it’s archaic and it may be, but it’s still a thing.

            The notion that CBS is going to somehow be bold in being the first to leave that and the literal billions in ad revenue that goes with it is ludicrous.

            NBC, with no much loved primetime schedule to start with may well be the first one to go that route because it’s increasingly becoming a case of nothing to lose.

            CBS isn’t bowing out of network programming anytime soon because, for them, there’s still money to rake in.

          • Shawn

            Of course it’s a thing. But do you imagine those people won’t be watching TV if they new that their show was on the same night as always, but you just push a button to watch it rather than tune it?

            Lots of people binge an entire season on Netflix the day it comes out. Or at least within a few days. There is no reason not to have a weekly release schedule. And I hope the hourly release schedule dies.

            My point is that broadcast + timeshifting + PVRs that usually work is not as good as on demand video that is just there and just works. (Solid internet connection and good interface are a must.)

          • prometheus59650

            (Solid internet connection and good interface are a must.)

            And good luck with that. Networks aren’t going anywhere until solid connections are ubiquitous and cheap. 20 minutes outside of some major cities in this country and you can’t even get DSL.

          • Shawn

            I wish that were true. But now, I think networks will demise before everyone has reliable internet. This will leave some people without either.

          • prometheus59650

            I don’t think so.

            Too much of the country is still rural and the government will still want the people to have their bread and circuses, so I can easily see a case of, “Maintain an over-the-air presence in the following ways or we’re going to ‘regulate’ the ^%$# out of you.”

          • Shawn

            You cannot regulate a business that no longer exists. In 10 years that may be the case. Maybe not. I don’t know.

          • prometheus59650

            Ummm…CBS/Paramount/Viacom, and the media holdings they hold simply will exist in one form or another in 10 years. They just will. Trying to change your delivery medium is not the same as closing up shop and literally not trying to peddle your content anymore.

            Unless they all just disappeared from the face of the planet and took their content with them they’re going to want people to watch the CSI reboot in ten years, or NCIS: Tallahassee or whatever it is they want to show in American markets.

            Where they’re subject to regulation.

            Add to that that the government can tax and penalize their production and property here, and up their tax responsibility for any dealings in the US. There are thousands of ways that the government can essentially force CBS or anyone else to maintain an over-the-air option.

            Up to and including stating that not maintaining one is contrary to the public good and rescinding their articles of incorporation and seizing assets.

            There will still be an OTA option in 10 years because there will have to be and the government knows it.

          • Shawn

            I would not support the government saying you cannot shut down the broadcast portion of your business, and must run it at a loss. If NBC decides to go streaming only and shut down it’s broadcast division I don’t think the government can do anything.

            They would say ‘why does Netflix get to be streaming only and not us.’ And they would be right.

            I would not support that. But I’m not American.

          • prometheus59650

            Governments force entities to do things for the public good and to their own detriment all the time. It’s neither new, nor shocking.

            The government can easily say the public owns the dirt beneath the city under which the fiber runs, so you’re going to maintain a base presence (even if it’s just a place with local news and Mr. Ed reruns that carries “NBC” on the bug in the corner) or we’re going to tax you for the use of that earth.

            Since that tax is going to suck and there’s no way they (if they own the fiber) are going to rip it up and kill their business, they’ll maintain an OTA presence.

            Even if they don’t own the fiber, someone’s going to get hit with that tax, so, ACME Cable will say, “If you pull out there’s gonna be a tax. We’re not paying it, so if you want Knight Rider 2025 to stream with us, you’re paying the tax, plus a penalty to use our pipe because you’re causing us grief.”

            One way or another, as long as there are tens of millions that aren’t going to be able to leap into that brave new world and still want entertainment, the government has a duty and obligation to do what it can to make sure that an option is still there.

            If, for no other reason, it’s less grief than quelling unrest.

          • Shawn

            It would be too onerous to have all the broadcast stations across the US. No. It would be less onerous to require internet companies roll out solid internet than to tell distribution companies they have to buy, staff and maintain transmission towers when they own none, or are about to own none.

          • prometheus59650


            My significant other’s aunt was curious about how much it would cost to have her local cable company run a pipe less than a quarter mile to service her house.

            $28,000 +

            You’re talking about asking cable companies to take decades and spend tens of billions in a New Deal level project to get solid high-speed coverage all over the country.

            It’s FAR less burdensome all around to make certain that the entities that are already broadcasting over the air continue to do so.

            And, if for the government, that means, NOT okaying the sale or destruction of your broadcast tower, that’s what’s going to happen.

          • Shawn

            I almost agree… But you can’t enforce competition. I could see there being only one broadcast network and CBS selling it’s stations and towers to them and wiping their hands clean. But the government cannot say that company must not go bankrupt and must not shut down. The best they can do is publicly subsidies it.

            As someone from a country that does have a publicly funded government owned broadcasting corporation, I don’t oppose that. But it’s the opposite of what you said. If they go out of business, they go out of business.

          • Shawn

            In like 10-20 years, or something. Not tomorrow. Obviously.

          • prometheus59650

            And a government subsidy to maintain that presence might be a viable compromise. But there will be an over the air presence.

            Also, bankruptcy solves nothing for them because they want to peddle their content.

            NBCU: “NBC/Universal is bankrupt.”

            US Government: “Okay. If you say so.”

            “Come watch our new shows on the new

            US Government: “Nope.”


            “The public owns the pipe. Your signals are being transmitted through our airspace. In order for us to let you do that, you have to demonstrate that you’re going to benefit the public at large. For instance, we have 60 million people who don’t have access to your premium content…so…if you want ANY of the 350M people in this country to see ANYTHING you have to offer, you have to have something for those 60M…

            …like an over the air option.”

            “Well, that’s totally not fair.”

            “Tough. Want people to see your stuff legitimately and make some money or not?”

            The government has absolute power in this situation should they choose to use it.

            And rather than square off against tens of millions of disgruntled citizens at the ballot box or on the streets, they’ll use it.

          • Shawn

            That argument works for Netflix as well.

            Also: they could sell the rights first. Or as part of the bankruptcy.

            I really don’t think you can compel a company that doesn’t want to provide a service to provide a service.

            Take wedding cakes. Bakeries are getting in trouble because they refuse to sell to gay and lesbian couples. The reason this runs up against the law is because it’s a product they want to sell.

            As long as NBC wants to transmit, you can argue they must transmit everywhere. But when they stop wanting to transmit, and want to sell a different service, you cannot say they are not allowed to.

            You may think your solution would be politically possible. But I’m pretty sure it’s not.

            You can say ‘you use our airwaves, so you must do this with the airwaves.’ You cannot say ‘you use our dirt, so you must do this different thing for the air.’ There is no reason to compell NBC or CBS to provide over the air programming and NOT require Netflix to do it.

            Anyway, thanks for the discussion.

          • prometheus59650

            Also: they could sell the rights first. Or as part of the bankruptcy.

            But they won’t, as it defeats the purpose of being a media company to start with. Aside from that, if there were the only option, one could hold whoever they sold the assets to to the same public demand or the Federal government wouldn’t approve the merger/sale.

            You can compel a company to provide a service contingent on its desire and ability to provide another service. Happens all the time all over the world. The Internet is but one example. In France, for instance, there are something like 40+ options for broadband service.

            40 companies do not own that pipe.

            But the Internet there is treated as a part of the commons. If ACME Broadband wants to lay pipe somewhere, they legally cannot keep other providers off of it. They can charge a regulated fee to Provider X to use that pipe, but they are legally prohibited from monopoly.

            The company is compelled to provide service (i.e. use of their pipe) to competitors when it’s financially is to their detriment to do so. After all, they’d maximize profit as a monopoly or even as as part of an oligopoly, so long as they maintained control over their fiber.

            Take wedding cakes. Bakeries are getting in trouble because they refuse to sell to gay and lesbian couples. The reason this runs up against the law is because it’s a product they want to sell.

            The reason it runs up against the law is because once you hang your shingle to provide a product or service to the public you are required to follow the rules of commerce laid down by local, state and Federal government. State law may allow you not to sell to a gay couple, Federal law doesn’t.

            State trumps local, Federal trumps state.

            But when they stop wanting to transmit, and want to sell a different service, you cannot say they are not allowed to.

            You can because those assets are not just disappearing, they are going somewhere. If they’re sold off, they’re sold to someone. If they’re liquidated in bankruptcy, they’re still sold to someone and the Department of Justice, and the Federal Communications Commission have to approve that sale or liquidation. They could and they would issue terms for approval of that sale.

            You can say ‘you use our airwaves, so you must do this with the airwaves.’ You cannot say ‘you use our dirt, so you must do this different thing for the air.’ There is no reason to compell NBC or CBS to provide over the air programming and NOT require Netflix to do it.

            Because there are still public OTA options available. In your imagined scenario where all that is going away, there is now a compelling state interest in maintaining a public OTA option and the government holds all the cards in creating/maintaining that.

            They can seize property, levy taxes on some other part of Business X’s business, and do many other things to compel the corporate behavior that they want.

            And the US Constitution gives Congress pretty much absolute control over commerce.

          • Dwight Williams

            I wonder if the CRTC might see things that way up here in Canada.

          • What “over-the-air presence”?
            I’m in rural America and I can’t tune in to a single station.
            TV is dead as far as I’m concerned.

          • prometheus59650

            Well, if you can’t buy an HD antenna and get something over the air, you’re a rarity.

          • Brian Thorn

            Not that rare, prometheus. Once you’re out of the city centers, it gets harder and harder to get a decent signal. My local cable company had a snit with CBS several years ago and CBS was dropped from the lineup. The cable company offered free antennae to get the local CBS channel. I got didly-squat on mine. I got about four channels, IIRC, and two of them were Spanish-language channels. I live within the city limits of a city of 90,000 people.

    • Brad

      Your blame would be sorely misplaced then. You should be blaming CBS for doing something this ill-advised.

      • Shawn

        Blame CBS for making what we want, and fan refusing to give it a shot because they don’t like the delivery method?

        In this very discussion a fellow Canadian is fuming that it IS on a regular TV channel. It’s no-win. I don’t think there is any moral high ground.

        On the other hand, saying ‘I will watch it later, on a cheaper or alternative platform’ like Blue Ray or Google Play or wherever it appears is fine. The international market may carry the show.

        • Brad

          I don’t believe it’s a no-win. All they had to was just put it on Netflix everywhere. Everyone wins. Simple.

          • Shawn

            No, here on Trek Core a relentless commenter from the UK was saying Netflix suck, no one knows how to use it, and if it’s not on Sky/broadcast no one will be able to find it. It was a weird conversation.

            He also said there would be CBS ads embedded in the content. I found that to be odd. I don’t know if Netflix allows that. He said it does. But I’ve tried to Google it and haven’t found it.

          • Brad

            Well those Canadian and UK people are in the minority.:P Like the extreme minority.

          • Gilbetron

            I’m the guy who’s been whining very loudly about there being no streaming service in Canada. 🙂

            For the record, I’m going to find a way to watch the show. I’m happy about the show. I’m super looking forward to it, and I expect it will be the highlight of 2017. I’m not refusing to watch it or anything because I disagree with the distribution.

            My point has been distilled down to the very strange reality that Canada is now the only country without a first-broadcast streaming option. Which is fine, I guess, even though it’s really inconvenient for me. I’ll get over it personally. But it’s certainty the anomaly since CBS has obviously been pushing to make this a streaming series and that’s the way almost everyone is going to be watching it. Since streaming will be the primary distribution method worldwide, the Bell deal comes across as distinctly second tier.

          • Fctiger

            I been saying this before but people in places like America assume Netflix is as popular and accessible as it is in America. Its not because in many countries its considered very expensive or doesn’t have the content library like America gets because those countries have a lot of different licensing deals. Its also why Netflix lost a lot of customers when they started banning proxies because a lot of people used it as a gateway to get BETTER Netflix in other countries like America and parts of Europe. So not ‘everybody wins’ for a lot of people out there its still another pay service (since it is) as it is on CBS All Access. The difference being most Americans already have it or its practically built in to a lot of deals now like when you get DISH satellite for example.

            And yes a lot of people overseas will be paying A LOT more to get it on Netflix than people will get it on All Access. We get it, its more convenient to have it on something you already have but there is still a big chunk of the world you don’t just the same.

          • Shawn

            Yes. I think Canada has 2nd top Netflix penetration, followed by the UK. Both well behind the US. We have substantially fewer shows.

            The original article was saying that at least people around the world with money can pay for the content they want. This hasn’t always been the case. But requiring people to pay for Netflix now in other countries is like requiring people to pay for netflix a decade ago in the US, and later Canada.

          • Fctiger


            I think if you are a Trek fan having Netflix is a great deal NOW because Netflix has ensured you will not only get the new show but all the shows before it. Thats over 700 hours of content. You can’t go wrong there lol.

            But yes what is pretty funny about is all the people complaining about CBS All Access a lot of the world has the same complaints about Netflix, ie, its not worth it to have because there is just not a lot of content to have for the price. And thats why Netflix got smart and started making their own shows a few years ago and been building their own content to attract people, which is what CAA is now trying to do. And its also why Netflix is pushing hard to secure deals like Star Trek and the one it made with Disney several months ago where all their content will run exclusively on that site because it will be a great incentive for people all around the wold to know studio content like Disney will be accessible but again I’m not sure if that deal will be wide reaching like CBS now has with them but my guess is in most places at least.

            For the record I dont love the idea of having to pay for CAA at all but I can’t remotely blame them for it either. The streaming sites are now the new name of the game and networks especially want to get their real estate as every new generation will be watching less and less TV and most content online. Everyone wants to be the next Netflix and Amazon and because those companies can reach more easily around the world and not just in a few countries as the American networks do now again can’t blame them.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Agreed, this us just so pathetic and embarassing

    • W H

      I feel the opposite. Fans in the US reusing to watch will be helping the franchise.

      If this is popular in the rest of the world and does poorly in the US they are going to have to change their model.

      As already said, the show is already profitable. The netflix agreement has exceeded cost of show. Its not going to be canceled because the US doesn’t watch.

      At worst CBS site it on CBS for season2. At best, Netflix buys the right to keep producing it.

  • CaptainDonovin

    I’ll be watching. I only have Netflix so this won’t be a big deal for me.

  • Mrplatitude

    I’ll pay for All Access, but I’m sure I will gripe about it 🙂

  • Michael

    Still going to watch this Section 31 based show, not going to pay for it. Will sucker a friend to let me watch at their house. 😉

  • Michael

    I love how TrekCore has to warn about “pro-piracy” comments – because they know this absurd and complex streaming bull is pushing people towards piracy. Lol

    • prometheus59650

      They have to warn about pro-piracy posts because people always think they’re owed and want something for nothing…and theft is theft.

      • Michael

        The jury is still out on that! Is sharing a copy with a friend theft? Who exactly is stealing the original physical film? Is there a film? Or is it a digital file? How does one lose profit if the person never intended to purchase the rights to copy? Should companies focus on their paying customers only? Why waste time on non-paying consumers?

        I do not pirate, I just watch the stuff at friends houses. Should they come and get me for not paying a license fee to view the show? Will future televisions sense who is in the room and only play the content if everyone has paid to do so?

        • prometheus59650

          What’s the difference in giving it to a stranger as opposed to your bestie? You’ve still given another person a copy of something they didn’t purchase, and you didn’t purchase it with the understanding that you COULD disseminate an extra copy to someone.

          The downloaded film IS the item. It doesn’t NEED physical form to be stolen. It’s copyrighted to its originator the moment it’s put out there, because that’s what the law is.

          They were never going to purchase it? How do you know? Guess we’ll never know for sure now that they have their freebie. And if they didn’t like it enough to purchase it, what do they need a stolen copy for anyway?

          And your copy is actually licensed for private home exhibition, so yeah,he can come over and watch it with you. But the minute you give your bestie a copy because he wants one, you’re a thief…

          …and the jury’s not out on any of that.

          • DC Forever

            Yep, cheating thiefs.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself that you are not on a moral slippery slope.

          I have zero tolerance for pirating, and I have raised my kids that way as well.

          • Guest

            And it sounds like you’ve convinced yourself of your own moral superiority. Get off your high horse and stop getting high off your own fumes…

            He specifically said he doesn’t pirate, only that he watches certain shows at his friend’s house who has a Netflix account. That’s not piracy anymore than watching a blu-ray at your friend’s house is piracy. Hell, you know how many people give out their Netflix and HBO Go passwords to friends? Do you consider that “piracy”? If I loan my car to my mom for a couple hours, should she chip in on the insurance, the note and the gas that month? Or is she now a “car jacker” since I decided to let her use my car for free out of kindness? Maybe when your friends and family come over, you should make them put some money into a little jar above the tv before they can watch anything on it, lest they be “pirates”. Your kids too, I mean, why should they get a free ride?

            I have zero tolerance for stuck-up prudes.

            P.S.: No one’s interested in or impressed by how you raise your kids, btw. 😉

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You can personal attack me all you want, but that does not cover up that obviosly you don’t have a clue of what intellectual property is.

            A car is not intellectual property – you can loan it to whoever you choose. Now if you hacked you cars OEM proprietary software from the CAN Bus, then then you are getting into illegal intellectual property issues.

            And, yes, loaning your Netflix password to someone not in your own residence is illegal. Stop being a cheapskate, and buy granny that Netflix subscription. Is it really that hard to live within the legally binding agreement with Netflix that you signed up with?

            And if doing the right thing — fulfilling my part of the binding legal agreements that I sign up for — then yes, sign me the F up for being morally superior…I’ll take that label!

          • DC Forever

            Yep, cheating is cheating. I don’t by the grey area excuses where people assume they are “entitled” to cheat becuase their just a little person against a big greedy corporation…that it called “self-enabling psychosis.”

          • DC Forever

            You sound like someone who is trying to convince themself that minor intellectual property theft, done with friends for example, is OK?

            It’s not.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Oh yea, it’s just so incredibly complicated…lol

    • W H

      I don’t do digital piracy of any kind. For one thing you pay in other ways when you download the inevitable malware with pirated Crap.

      However, with the said, it’s been proven time and again, the harder you make it to consume a product legally, the more people will turn to illegal ways to consume it.

      CBS all access is popular with No one in the US and not available in Canada. This is making Star Trek a strong candidate for piracy in NA when released here.

  • NOT purchasing CBS streaming service. It can die in a fire.

    I already use Netflix. I can wait for Walking Dead, I can wait for Star Trek

    • Shawn

      That second half is reasonable. I want to do that with cable, but my wife won’t let me. Either you pay for access (with either Cable or All Access or wherever the show is first) or you watch later and a reduced priced.

      Though is walking Dead on Play Store/iTunes? Most of these shows are up within a day, and you can pre-purchase the entire season.

      • Did not know that.

        You are the guv’nah. Gratitude.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Wah! Wah! Wah!

      Lol – give me a break

    • W H

      I hope most people refuse. People can force CBS’s hand here as long as too many people don’t cave in and ruin it for the rest of us.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        I am going to be purchasing multiple accounts to offset the pettiness of you and others who are suggesting this boycott, and I encourage others here to join me.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    Much ado about nothing. I am going to pay my $6 without any bitching, and I refuse to join in this whine-fest.

    • Shawn

      And with luck, you won’t regret it! I’m looking forward to it.

  • W H

    I’ve watched every episode of every season at least once. (except DS9 which was too dull and soap-opera for me).

    I’m not paying for CBS all-access. Multiple reasons.

    1) I’m not getting yet another streaming service. I already have Netflix and Amazon. The point of dropping cable was to save money. I don’t like the current trend that CBS is trying to explore of fragmentation where you need a billion streaming chanels. Soon it’s going to be more expensive than cable.

    2) Star Trek has been getting worse. The last two series, Enterprise was tolerable and DS9 was godawful. The last 3 movies were terrible. I don’t trust CBS to put out a TOS, TNG, or VOY quality show.

    3) CBS all access is doomed to fail. If I wait one more year it’s going to be available to me on Netflix anyway.

    • Michael

      “Voyager quality” lol

      Setting the bar really low, eh?

      • W H

        Yeah. Acting was bad in that (but it was in TOS too) the story writing and plot was generally good though.

    • Shawn

      1) You want everything on Netflix? Sure. But then Netflix will need to raise it’s prices. And we are back here with the money thing.

      2) “Paramount did a terrible job 15 years ago. So I don’t trust CBS now.” That doesn’t make sense to me.

      2a) “Paramount is currently making Star Trek films I don’t like. So I don’t trust CBS to make an unrelated show in a different universe.”

      BTW: I do trust Bryan Fuller.

      3) This is totally reasonable. Lead with this next time. And just say you aren’t convinced yet so you will take a wait and see approach.

      As someone who has Space in Canada, I’m glad I don’t need to choose. I was worried for a bit.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      It’s a different studio entirely involved now, and it’s a new production team, and streaming services are growing, not contracting.

      Seriously, dude, are you really paying attention?

    • Adam Rasmussen

      DS9 was so good.

      • Dwight Williams

        Yes, it was.

  • Fiery Little One

    I live in Canada. Unless I’m *very* mistaken, you’d only need basic cable to get Space and CTV (My understanding is that the latter gets the pilot, the former everything else).

    • Dwight Williams

      Space is not in most cable providers’ “basic” tier in Canada.

      • Fiery Little One

        Ah. My mistake, then.

  • kregano

    I think the biggest losers here are the American Trek fans who still have cable/satellite packages (or even something like Playstation Vue or Sling TV), but don’t want to tack on CBS All Access on top of it. You’d think that CBS would make a deal with them to put Discovery on their video on demand services, with a 2-3 day delay, to get even MORE licensing money, while simultaneously eliminating one of the biggest markets for piracy of the show.

    • Michael

      We have to fight this or eventually everyone will have their own streaming service and bills will far outweigh what we used to pay for cable.

      Oh and, not paying for anything where I have to watch ads even after paying. Executives must be laughing their asses off that people are stupid enough to do that.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        I am thinking about paying for 3 or more accounts to off-set a bit the people who are coming up with this nonsense. I encourage others to do that same.

  • Adam Rasmussen

    I will pay for CBS All Access because I love Star Trek, but I don’t have to like it, especially with commercials! I hope it tanks and Netflix picks up the second season. The fact that they’re branding it a Netflix Original outside North America makes me optimistic.

    • John Bergqvist

      They brand all content that they have exclusive rights to air *IN THAT COUNTRY* as ‘Original’. So a lot of British shows are marketed in the US as a ‘Netflix Original’, yet they’re not marketed as that on Netflix in the UK (if they’re on Netflix in the UK at all)

  • ensignauthoress

    That picture of Data sums up my reaction when I learned that Discovery would be available to watch on Space in Canada. Even though I will be away at college, I will be able to watch it on Space’s website once it has aired on TV. I’m so excited!

  • BatesHotel

    Great article and analysis. I think All Access will flop and Discovery will be on Netflix for the entire planet within two years. CBS probably feels obligated to at least give it a try for a network streaming service, but with such little content, it’s going to fail. Thanks for putting into words what I already felt, but couldn’t have written as cogently.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      No way it’s going to flop, because once the setup costs of launching it are paid for, the recurring operating costs to CBS to maintain the service are going to be insignificant.

      Maybe it’s not a big hit, but it’s not going to go away…not a chance.

      • Fctiger

        Well it COULD flop at some point but yes by my own calculations DIS will be on at least 3 seasons no matter what. Season 1 is already a given obviously and being covered profit wise without a single view. If views dip in season 2 it will still be the only thing keeping CAA relevant and it will probably be in season 3 where they will decide if CAA can be a contender or not. But these things takes time, they know that. Look at Hulu its now successful enough where they don’t have to air it free anymore but its been around nearly 10 years now. And now its also participating in more exclusive content last few years and will have a Marvel show, The Runaways, coming soon which will get the Marvel fans invested in it.

        So I’m sure the people at CBS know AA is not going to be a hit over night just because they have Star Trek on it. But whats funny is I doubt most people even HEARD of AA until the announcement of the new show and its already been running. I live in L.A., media capitol of the world, and I never heard of it until the announcement. But I also watch very little of CBS too.

        But yes all that said my theory all along has been once they went the deal with Netflix that included a back door with the site being able to buy DIS IF CAA bombs and run it on theirs. CBS makes money no matter what and the one thing I can honestly say about Netflix is that they do try really hard to strive for quality productions so a lot of people will feel Trek will be in good hands either way at this point. So yeah my guess is DIS will be running for years one way or the other as well. Being on a streaming site gives it an advantage because there is just so little competition out there in terms of new programming. Thats why the Marvel shows kill on Netflix, they can get the eyeballs by being the only comic book original programs. Thats harder on typical networks where competition becomes more brutal every year. Being the only new run Trek show with no real sci fi on a streaming site will get crazy clicks, especially such a well known brand at that.

    • Jack Reed

      Thanks very much. Yeah, we may see a reprise of the Yahoo Screen situation, although CBS is (I would assume) better placed financially than Yahoo was.

      Given original content is going to make or break the service, they may want to announce another series or two before the end of the year. A promising genre show would be wise, both for buzz and to reassure Trek fans that CBS has their interests in mind beyond Discovery and is respecting their outlay. Whether that’s financially viable so soon is a different question.

  • $16 a month for Netflix and Star Trek? I’m in. It’s a wondeful time to be alive.

  • bytes

    Long article about how the author thinks it is payback time against U.S. viewers.

    • Perhaps, but that’s a pretty cynical and bitter reading of the article. Maybe it’s a different viewpoint on the subject to allow for some context? I feel I know more now than before I read it.

    • Jack Reed

      Quite the opposite. A key premise of the article is empathy for and commiseration with North American fans. The change in international fans’ fortunes is meant to illustrate how CBS All Access surprisingly went from being potentially one of many less than ideal viewing platforms around the world to arguably the least ideal alongside Canada (opinions will differ on which of the two has it better).

  • The Chadwick

    Solid article! Great hearing the perspective of past and present from a resident in another country.

    Since I was a child I traveled to Hungary every two years for two months out of the summer as a vacation and to visit relatives and friends and I always remember how much later Europe received American movies, let alone TV shows. I remember walking down the street in Budapest once and seeing a poster for the first Ghostbusters movie just being shows years after its release like 89/90. So I appreciate the frustration of years of delays for the world outside of North America. Im beyond happy Discovery will air in 190 countries and more or less at the same time.

    As a Canadian I am lvid, that to watch it week by week (as a cord cutter) I have to subscribe to cable or wait. I have CraveTV streaming but to wait for an entire season to complete before it is available for streaming is a frustrating move by Bell Media. Its like they’re sticking it to the cord cutters for leaving their cable services and strengthening the reason for cable viewers to remain cable viewers. Because Bell Media has Star Trek distribution rights on Canada, CBS is just washing its hands of it? Air it as you wish? It should be a simultaneous release in Canada on the Space channel and CraveTV to satisfy all viewers regardless of their choice of content service. This is a step backwards, not forwards. Hell its being filmed in Toronto (30 minutes from me) and out of 190 countries, Canada gets the short end of the stick!?

    …Just means I am going to a friends house who has cable to watch Discovery as I did with Game of Thrones.

  • Bshaw

    CBS All Access / Netflix – the broadcasters continue to fracture, divide and conquer the current broadcasting environment. Consumers are being overwhelmed with the illusion of choice (another word for “pay me” in this context) and herded deeper into the labyrinth walled by subscriptions or rental licenses. This model is particularly insidious and nasty (with scary Minotaurs) if you want to watch live sports.

    It seems to me that there is a clear drive towards bringing tv markets in-line with the modern music industry, following the promoted collapse of physical sales and it’s refocus on subscription-based streaming. It is not too difficult to predict an obliteration of free-to-air broadcasting in the next five years or so.

    So, Star Trek, what are you? A vanguard Leviathan crushing us with your romantic, American incantations of a hope-filled, all-inclusive future? Why and what are we really paying for this?

  • John Bergqvist

    I wish Netflix would stop branding the shows they’ve aquired through third parties (i.e. produced by someone else from another country, e.g. BBC in the UK or CBS in the US) as “Netflix Originals”. I could understand if it only applied to things they acutally make themselves like House of Cards, but they apply it to everything exclusive they aquire and it’s seriously misleading. If I was CBS, i’d be extrememely worried about such a brand eroding the creator’s identity. Why can’t they call it “Netflix Exclusive” (with a tagline saying Produced by CBS or something) for stuff they’ve aquired for that specific country, and leave “Originals” for their shows that actually are original to Netflix worldwide? It’s a major moral gripe I have with the company.

  • Binyamin Koretz

    What people in the US don’t understand is that Netflix is to most countries like CBS All Access is to the US. Meaning that last year Netflix perhaps made a big splash in the US media by announcing that it would be streaming in all 188 countries and not just the US and a few others – but their media exposure and subscription levels in those countries are close to zilch, and so they are paying big for the new Star Trek program. CBS said it was enough to give them a profit on the whole show before they even make it, so that means Netflix is paying CBS a few tens of millions so they can use the new program to attract subscribers in all these countries where they have nearly none. In the US Netflix is part of the daily conversation but here in Israel where it became available in the last year it practically doesn’t exist. I don’t know anyone who subscribes. Also their marketing is moronic. You go to their site and you are expected to subscribe without knowing what’s available to watch. They give you a free month but when faced with a black screen with no information people just move on. A few articles in the local media reviewed it and weren’t impressed with the selection which they said isn’t like in the US (and it’s not because of localization because they don’t do it).
    So basically here Netflix was way too late to the party. Most Israeli families subscribe to cable or satellite, and millennials stream illegally because they’ve practically been trained to do so by iTunes (not available here until last year) and Netflix (same) and Amazon video (still not available here) and hulu (not available) etc etc. I don’t believe in pirating and rather than pay for cable I buy the DVDs and blu rays that I want to see, but even I find it hard to be self-righteous toward people who download here from pirate sites, when every international streaming service for pay has given us the middle finger until now. The only good thing here is that I can buy from whichever amazon (com,, ca, de etc.) has the lowest prices at any given time. Right now is crazy cheap because of the weak pound and they take off the VAT in the calculation at checkout.
    So don’t imagine that you have a world of Netflix subscribers like in the US and the new Star Trek is going to pop up here at no extra expense. For the vast majority of people it would mean $10/month (for HD – and from what I understand it’s only 720p but I don’t know for sure) that they don’t pay now. And eventually our legislature will figure out how to tax it then it will be $12.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Yea, and also Amazon is leading Nexfilx in VOD in many countries outside of North America.

      Netflix is over-paying for Star Trek as a marketing move.

    • Jack Reed

      Thanks, this is a valuable point. Netflix may be everywhere, but it’s not thoroughly embraced everywhere nor does it always have a wondrous range. The Australian catalogue has certainly improved since launching in March last year though, so I hope Israel and the other 2016 countries see similar benefits in time.

      Regardless of territory though, Netflix does have several advantages over All Access: a constantly expanding suite of original programming, excellent technical quality, wider device support, and no advertising. So even in comparable cases where Trek fans will need to subscribe to Netflix just for Discovery, they’re arguably getting a more valuable addition to their viewing options. Not a total consolation though, I’ll grant.

      Also, Netflix should always be 1080p if you’re on the HD plan, if your connection can provide it.

  • I’m in the US, and I’m thrilled that it will be online without a cable subscription.
    I’m in a rural city of 568 people. There isn’t a local CBS station. But I do have internet.
    I don’t pay for cable or Netflix, but I’m willing to pay $6/mo for Trek.

    If it was a regular CBS show, I’m assuming I wouldn’t be able to watch it online without providing my cable companies log in. I wouldn’t be able to watch it over the air.

    If it was on Netflix, I’d have to spend more than $6/mo. I’d probably do it, but I’ll gladly pay less.

    • I remember trying to watch Enterprise when it first aired. The signal for my local station was so staticy that there were weeks that I couldn’t watch it. I missed so many episodes because of that.
      Will be nice to have a clean, clear episode.

    • You realize you’re paying $6 to watch STD online with commercials, right?

      • Shawn

        Also, I think a key is that this person doesn’t have cable. $6/mo to watch DSC is better than $25-$100/mo to watch DSC.

        • But the best solution of all: broadcast STD on CBS and anyone with an antenna can enjoy it for free.

  • Stephen Pinsent

    I think that CBS’s Canadian deal with Bell was a pre-existing one with Bell – I believe that bell distributes all of CBS’s content here in Canada… just a thought, but Trek has been on Crave for quite some time, and most other CBS shows are distributed via Bell already here in Canada, so I think it’s a deal that got grandfathered in and it’s up to Bell as to how to distribute the content.

    • Gilbetron

      Very possibly, but come on, Bell, get with the program. Embarrassing.

  • Guest

    “but CBS has at least proven they understand and care about Star Trek, financing a loving high-definition restoration of The Next Generation and hiring an probably the most ideal showrunner for DISCOVERY”

    Sorry Jack, but I beg to differ. The fact that these dastardly suits are trying to strong-arm North American fans into supporting their crappy, doomed-to-fail streaming service, reveals their true colors. Sure, they remastered TNG, but also set unreasonable standards for the Blu-Ray sales. They charged somewhere between 70-80 bucks per season when those sets came out, two seasons of which (2 & 4), had been done remastered rather shoddily (at least where VFX where concerned), then expected fans to rush out and pay those exorbitant prices in the era of streaming… Why would (most) people pay that kind of money for the Blus when they could just stream the show, along with a vast library of other films and movies for less than $10 a month? As for fans who like to own physical media, many of them were holding off for a box set (or at the very least a reasonable price-drop on the individual sets around the holidays). No one’s buying both the box set and the individual sets, and only well-off people are paying 70 bucks a pop for 7 seasons, especially during a recession… Let’s get real.

    CBS’s expectations were ridiculous and somewhat greedy, and their marketing was practically nonexistent. They more or less used this site and other fan sites to promote it to the hardcore fan-base, and that’s about it. When the first season came out, a lot of mainstream sites talked about it, and CBS did a serviceable job of promoting it. Somewhere after the 3rd or 4th season though, they started quietly releasing the rest with little to no promotion. They also stopped the theatrical releases of the fan-favorite two-part episodes so as to not have to pay royalties to certain talent. All of that culminated in hurting sales, yet they blamed the fans.

    So due to unreasonable expectations, and practically nonexistent promotion, when those Blu-Ray sets didn’t fly off the shelves, CBS decided to punish the fans and said, “to hell with DS9.”, after teasing that as the next restoration project and getting fans’ hopes up. Doesn’t sound to me like a company that really cares about Star Trek or its fans beyond an unreasonable, short-term financial bottom-line, and their initial plans to try to force everyone to buy All Access just to watch Discovery (which they’ve scaled back to just North America upon realizing how foolish that was), is just further proof of that. They don’t care what fans/customers want, nor are they looking at the big picture, which is that if they spend the money to remaster DS9 & VOY now, they can profit off those shows for years (if not decades) to come. This is a matter of preservation and shelf-life, but also money being left on the table.

    A show like DS9 was ahead of it’s time, but has developed a cult following over the years, and the types of stories they were telling are much more in line with what modern audiences want and are used to. Lots of young people would discover it through Netflix and love it. They could sell new DS9 merch, they could put out special “Cinematic cuts” of multi-part episodes on blu-ray and 4K like they did with TNG (of which DS9 has so many more to choose from), and if they could sort out the royalty/residuals situation, they could due theatrical runs of select episodes like CBS were doing with TNG before the remembered how cheap they are.

    As for Bryan Fuller being the most ideal showrunner for the new Trek Series, that still remains to be seen and is certainly debatable. Sure, he’s done some great stuff with Hannible, but just because he thrived on one show, doesn’t automatically make him a good match for Trek. David Fincher is an amazing director, but was a poor match for the Alien franchise, for instance. I realize Fuller used to write for Trek, but he mainly wrote for Voyager (one of the lesser shows, the 2nd worst of the franchise behind Enterprise IMO), and wrote primarily for the latter seasons, which were some of Voyager’s worst. While some of the episodes he’s credited to were decent, and some actually pretty good, it’s hard to know how much he was personally responsible for, and how much was rewritten by other writers on the staff. There were a lot of cooks in the Kitchen on Voyager, and a lot of big egos between Berman & Braga, and according to Ron D. Moore, Fuller was treated rather terribly during his time there. So who knows how much of his ideas ever really made it to the screen, how many of them were changed by other writers, and if those original ideas of his were even “Trek”. I say all of that to say, just because someone is talented and has created and worked on hit shows before, doesn’t necessarily make them the best match for Trek (look no farther than JJ Abrams for proof of this), and considering most of what we’ve seen and heard of Discovery so far, Fuller’s vision is questionable at this point as far as I’m concerned.

    The most ideal showrunner in my opinion would’ve been Ron Moore.

    • Jack Reed

      Well the thrust of the article is how CBS is in dicey territory with All Access and may alienate the fans its relying upon, so I wouldn’t say I’m in the tank for them.

      Re TNG HD: bad distribution doesn’t preclude good intentions. They could have done a hatchet job like Fox has done with Buffy, but they gave it the Rolls Royce treatment. They would no doubt have loved to be able to justify DS9 to their accountants so they could bring in more money, and may now be ruing sales and marketing miscalculations. But the whole project is not a write-off or a stain on their Trek reputation.

      We also can’t say with certainty that DS9 would be profitable based on our perception of increased popularity. But you may be right, and perhaps CBS is waiting for that upward trajectory to continue until it intersects with decreasing costs of rebuilding SD shows in HD. They did say at TCA that they’re ‘constantly looking at’ upgrading DS9 and VOY to HD.

      As for Fuller being ideal, of course it’s inherently speculative. But he’s demonstrated high creativity, remarkable tonal versatility, and with Hannibal a capacity to find new meaning and direction in a very familiar franchise. Plus he’s a huge Trek fan who understands its value and purpose with enough Trek experience to learn from but not enough that he’s already made his mark on it.

      Moore has a rich Trek history and I suspect even he’d see his appointment as a step back. Plus he created a landmark SF space show he had a lot of freedom on and a new Trek show would constantly be compared to it. Of the available talent (Moore is not), Fuller is perhaps the most thoughtful and encouraging pick. CBS could have hired some showrunner they had on contract because they think we’ll lap anything up if they dose us with enough spin.

    • Thomas W.

      Speak for yourself. I will never pay for streaming but only buy blurays. They are mine and will always work (at least for some decades). The picture and audio quality is still better. I don’t see any benefit in streaming. Usually you can’t save it on your harddisc; and even if you can, after a few days/weeks/month/years you can’t play the episode or film anymore because the licence or software are out of date and you have to pay again. That’s stupid.

      And I think the TOS and TNG remastering was very well done. I can’t remember any other show of the 80s/90s that was treated with to much love and effort, esp. regarding the VFX. Strange enough that some TV stations present the R-TOS and R-TNG in SD with 480i or 576i… HD for dummies (“I’m satisfied with my VHS cassettes…”).

      • Shawn

        It’s good to point out that not being perfect isn’t really a problem. I’m a TNG first fan. But some of those TNG episodes weren’t perfect to begin with. If I can forgive them that then, some not perfect remastering can be forgiven now.

        I used to be opposed to streaming stuff. I have no problem with renting Netflix’s entire library at a monthly access rate. I buy audio books on Audible and it’s easy and I always have access to them. Much easier than when I downloaded non DRM from other services. And better quality.

        I don’t buy much anymore. But I did buy a few bluerays with digital keys. I added them to Google Play and streamed some like that. It was great. High quality.. Always available. But not downloadable it’s true. (some let you cache for vacation.)

        It’s working. Not for everyone. But for more than before.

    • Shawn

      I see criticism of CBS offering TNG remastered Blue Rays. I didn’t buy them. Because I had the choice. Others seemed to like them. And they had the choice.

      On Fuller: I’ve not seen Hannibal. But I did enjoy Pushing Daisies and Dead Like Me. Wonderfalls was good two. He also did some Voyager (VGR) episodes. But that’s when he was taking orders, not giving them.

  • Brian Thorn

    Just as an aside, has anyone else noticed that New Zealand appears to have disappeared in that shot from “First Contact”? It should be visible from that angle, but it isn’t.

  • James

    As an Aussie, I remember the days of having TNG relegated to Tuesday and Thursday nights from 11PM. The Thursday night ones often starting far later due to the overrun of The Footy Show that night. Same happened with DS9 and VOY. At one point though, the VHS releases ($20 a volume of 2 episodes) actually reached the point of being ahead of the TV broadcasts, so only 1 volume was released each month rather than 2. By that stage, the DS9 finale was out on VHS a few years ahead of TV broadcast.
    I am looking forward to finally having some new Trek and glad that CBS and Netflix came to a deal to be the international distributor. If all networks could come to agreements like this, the amount of online piracy would plummet.

  • Pat Suwalski

    As a Canadian, the more I’m reading about this series, filmed in Toronto, the angrier I’m getting at not being able to get it.

    Cable is a no-go for me. The house isn’t wired for it, and that alone makes the bar too high. I got rid of cable over a decade ago in a former house, and it’s not coming back. Perhaps Bell can start a service to send me VHS tapes of the show via Canada Post?

    It seems we can’t obtain the entertainment we want in this country in the straightforward channels you can everywhere else. I don’t know if that’s the counterpoint to the lax copyright laws we have, but it sure doesn’t encourage me to stay out of the gray areas of law.

    I’m looking forward to seeing the pilot over-the-air on CTV with my HD antenna. After that, I’ll just have to cross that bridge when I get to it. I don’t actually know anyone who has cable, so, err, um…

    • Shawn

      Bell distributes HBO in Canada. I can go to the Play Store (or iTunes) and pre-buy a season of Game of Thrones. Within 24 hours (or less?) of the episode being broadcast it is available to stream.

      In theory the same might be true for DSC. On the other hand, perhaps neither CBS or Bell will make it available online. I don’t know. But we still have a cable subscription to Space. So I will be able to watch it.

    • Gilbetron

      Ditto, Pat. I’ve been saying the same thing here for a while now. No one seems to care much. Even this story is annoying. Basically, the emphasis is on how the international fans are getting a windfall and the U.S. is getting screwed with CBS All-Access. Which I supposes caters to the large market of Star Trek fans in the U.S., but the story is deeply flawed, since Canada has it infinitely worse. But Canada’s situation here is barely a footnote. I would like to see TrekCore write about the distribution plan for Canada, which is a huge anomaly (hole) in Discovery’s global distribution plan, and put the screws to CBS and Bell at least a little bit.

  • Kaine Morrison

    I’ll just wait for the Blu-Ray