Former STAR TREK: DISCOVERY showrunner Bryan Fuller, who left the role back in October, elaborated today in a new Newsweek interview that he’s at this point, totally out of the show’s leadership team – despite his ‘executive producer’ title.

It’s a bit different than the October story, first reported by Variety, that Fuller “will still be involved in breaking stories” for the new series – today’s comments seem to indicate that he’s no longer involved in that as well.

It is bittersweet – but it was just a situation that couldn’t be resolved otherwise…so I had to step away.

I’m not involved in production, or postproduction, so I can only give them the material I’ve given them and hope that it is helpful for them. I’m curious to see what they do with it.

[If there’s a second season,] they have my number and if they need me I will absolutely be there for them.

Fuller elaborated on his reasons for leaving the series, connecting his departure to his ongoing involvement in the upcoming American Gods television adaptation and the timetable CBS laid out for DISCOVERY development and pre-production.

I could not do what CBS needed to have done in the time they needed it done for Star Trek.

It felt like it was best for me to focus on landing the plane with ‘American Gods’ and making sure that was delivered in as elegant and sophisticated a fashion as I could possibly do.

He did say, however, that he believes CBS shares his vision for the new series, and that team overseeing the show will align with Star Trek‘s established legacy.

Creating [Discovery] and getting to the heart of what the important themes were to me as a Star Trek fan— how do we get along with people who are different than ourselves? How do we find common ground? How do move into the future together?

Those themes were implicit in the scripts that I wrote before I left, and the storylines [planned].

We’ll see how that works out when STAR TREK: DISCOVERY debuts next May.

  • pittrek

    OK now this part “I could not do what CBS needed to have done in the time they needed it done for Star Trek.” makes me really nervous.

    He was the only person who understood Star Trek and now he’s not involved. My optimism fell down again to zero.

    • DangerousDac

      I believe Nicholas Meyer is still involved. I think he understands Trek pretty well.

      • pittrek

        He’s just a consultant. Fuller has an executive producer credit, but he’s doing nothing. So how much influence do you think has a guy who is officially only a consultant?

        • Fctiger

          Well there are other people who has worked on Trek before not just Fuller and Meyer. You may not like them but they aren’t newbies to the franchise either and been involved in other Trek shows, films and novels.

          I like Fuller too but people act like its only one person on the planet who can do these jobs when thats far from true. And he hired most of the people who are there now so I trust they know what they are doing.

          • pittrek

            “Well there are other people who has worked on Trek before not just Fuller and Meyer.” – for example? I don’t count Kurtzman, and who else is there?

          • Ace Stephens

            I heard that Kirsten Beyer and Joe Menosky were involved. I believe there are others who have at least advised but I can’t keep track of everyone.

          • Fctiger

            Yeah pretty much them. Thats still a lot of writing talent from the old guard. Joe Menosky actually wrote for TNG, DS9 and Voyager. He has actually way more writing credits than Fuller does on the show and was the the guy who actually wrote in ’47’ in Trek which became a thing. So yes there are people there with Trek experience.

            But I dont think it matters THAT much. When TNG went into its third season nearly all the writers were new and knew little about Trek save Berman and I think 1-2 staff writers who didn’t get fired. All the TOS people were gone and TNG first two seasons sucked with them there including Roddenberry. Berman hired people that were young and no experience with Trek, just mostly fans of it. And the show soared.

            So I think its less about who has experience with Trek and simply who are good writers that understands it. Fuller started his career on Trek as well so I think its kind of unfair to peg the guys writing Discovery now as not experienced enough with it although some of the people currently on it now has worked on it quite a bit. End of the day it will just come down to the writers they hired and just how good much they get it.

  • Oh, dear. I thought he was an excellent choice for showrunner, since he actually GETS Star Trek, and I was hoping he was still involved in some capacity.

    I’m crossing my fingers that the people in charge now will do a good job; they were his lieutenants, so one hopes they have a clue.

  • M33

    Sometimes, the best Star Trek was created by people who weren’t necessarily “fans”, but were savvy when it came to finding a way to tell a great story that engaged a wide audience.
    Think about how improved TNG got once Roddenberry was put aside after Season 2, or when Mick Meyer and Harve Bennett took over after TMP.
    We owe Discovery a chance (or two or three or four, considering how long it took the other series to get their legs) to see what it can do.
    Could be bad.
    Could be mediocre.
    Could be great.
    At least, there IS a new Star Trek being made.

    • M33

      What I don’t get is why he thinks he will have greater legacy with American Gods than the rebirth of Star Trek on TV, but, hey…
      That’s his choice.
      It’s his career.

      • Ace Stephens

        Did he say he thought that? I thought he just committed to it first and its production was already underway so he felt it was necessary to stick with that. I have little doubt that, if schedules allow and they come calling, he’ll try to help them out or will return in some fashion.

        • Fctiger

          Exactly and as I pointed out his deal probably obligates for him to be there. Its odd how people think you can create these multi million dollar show and just walk away whenever you feel like it. It doesnt work that way UNLESS thats how it was contracted from the beginning but since we know Fuller is deeply hands on he probably signed up with the obligation he was going to be as committed to that show as possible. And if he did then he should honor that.

          • Ace Stephens

            Right. I try to give people a relative benefit of a doubt so I assume that he probably just got in over his head because Trek was a dream job to him and then, once reality set in, he wound up realizing there weren’t twenty-eight hours in a day and he still needed to sleep. So he stuck with what he signed for first, was already going and needed him rather than the Trek thing that was part of a huge franchise and would almost certainly be going on without him. Even though he obviously loves the latter.

        • M33

          No, he didn’t
          But in some of the earlier interviews, he had stated something to the effect of having to choose between AG and DSC. That would imply to me that he had an option to pursue one or the other.
          He could have hung on to DSC and passed the reigns to someone else with AG, just has he chose to do with DSC.
          There is an existing precedent already in all of this by his choices.
          And numerous, countless other execs, directors, producers have had to leave/join other productions for a variety of reasons. They have lawyers and agents who figure out all the legal stuffs so they can.
          Nothing is impossible, just a matter of how much they really want it or are willing to sacrifice for it.

          • Ace Stephens

            But in the case of something he is originating the onscreen representation of, losing him partway through could be disastrous. That must be understood. Whereas Star Trek is going to return to screens regardless since the powers that be want it and he’s already set up the infrastructure. But American Gods being 1/2 or 3/4ths done with him guiding it alongside another (person who is notably less experienced) and then him jumping off could torpedo it, cause the studio to lose confidence in a second season if it was “sitting on the fence,” etc. Because they might go, “Who will run it?” and then see that it won’t be the guy who’s already had lauded commercial output.

            So…yeah. I don’t think he was prioritizing one over the other. I think he was looking at it practically despite Trek being his dream job and knew that he had done what he could for Trek but, in terms of his unique vision, AG is what needed him right now.

          • Fctiger

            Again we still don’t know the specifics. There are many reasons why he couldve chose AG, probably because that show is only alive because of him. Another one could simply be money. Who knows? As Trek fans yeah its a ‘no-brainer’ to us but this is the project he committed to first so yes its only right he stick with that one.

            Discovery was already getting on the air with or without him. And the show isn’t going to live or die over one guy. Hopefully the people running it now are good and can deliver some great stories.

          • M33

            I sure hope so. I’ll watch them all.
            Unless it’s one Enterprise decon chamber rub-down after the next, with terrible SG Universe modern pop music to boot.

            But I suspect Nick Meyer might blow his head before that were the case.

      • Fctiger

        Guys we don’t know ANY of the details. We all act like these people don’t have contracts or under specific obligations once they create these shows. More than likely Fuller can’t just walk away from that show or it would be a major pain in the ass to get him out of his deal. He probably can’t say that but thats more than likely the reality. He probably has a contract where he has to be there, especially since its only there because he made it happen and the network is counting on him, so now he has to see it through. And frankly he should. He made the commitment to them first.

        But its not like these guys can walk away from these projects when millions are on the line and its their vision that made it happen. Actors, writers and directors can’t just walk off and leave another project once they are signed on for that project, its no different for producers if that was the bargain made beforehand. Maybe not forever but probably through the first season. Again we don’t know but that could be the issue.

        In this case it just sound like he was trying to fit in Trek with American Gods but couldn’t make it work and he didn’t help bring Trek to TV, they just asked him to run after they did it.

      • SpaceCadet

        His legacy will always be tied to Discovery because he co-created it. It sounds like he just has another professional commitment that he is obligated to fulfill. Nothing wrong with that. And I’m sure it’s pretty exciting to him to create something brand new that has the potential to be successful.

    • pittrek

      I don’t really agree. Season 2 in TNG is in my opinion the worst and I honestly don’t understand why so many people think Bennett was a good thing for Trek – he was a very lame writer. Nick Meyer on the other hand didn’t really understand Star Trek, but he always knew how to tell interesting stories.

      And yes, I am still going to give Discovery a chance, but I don’t expect anything really great to be honest. But I still hope I’m wrong.

      • M33

        My point was about AFTER season 2, not starting with. S1 & 2 in TNG are fairly uninteresting.

      • Matt_Cardiff_UK

        Meyer didn’t understand Star Trek? So – we’ll just forget Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country exist?!

        I am glad Fuller is gone. From what I saw and heard of him since Discovery was announced, I decided early on I didn’t like him as a producer. I mean – look at the ‘trailer’. Nick Meyer on the other hand, I implicitly trust. If only James Horner (R.I.P.) was here to score the new show.

        • pittrek

          Correct, Meyer didn’t know or understand Star Trek before he got the job on Khan

          • Matt_Cardiff_UK

            He clearly understood Trek well enough to direct / produce 3 of Trek’s finest movies. Shatner knew everything there was about Trek and still failed with his one attempt.

          • pittrek

            I repeat – he did not know or understand Star Trek BEFORE he got the job on Khan, of course that’s not the case now. But he was always a “more than competent” story teller, which was a good start.
            Shatner doesn’t know how to tell a story. Even in his interviews he needs to answer to direct questions.

  • Scott Kostohryz

    I’m fine with him bein gone. He already caused a delay from January to May. Apparently he wouldn’t have even been able to make May at this point, as he wasn’t even able to do casting for the show before he left. He also is the reason we ended up with another prequel, instead of something post TNG era. Too bad that was set in stone before he left.

    • Who says a prequel can’t be good? Trek has literally hundreds of years of backstory to fill in. I was hoping this new series would be an anthology covering different time periods each season.

  • Eric Cheung

    This is indeed bittersweet. Trek has brought in talented people to take charge recently, with JJ Abrams, Justin Lin, and Bryan Fuller. But that has also meant that their talent has drawn them away from Trek. I kind of think that if someone new takes over the franchise from a creative standpoint, it should be someone who is committed exclusively to Trek for the remainder of a career. Say what you will about Roddenberry and Berman’s decisions over the years, but their commitment to Trek was full and total.

    Hopefully, they can find someone that has both a powerful vision and the half-crazed tenacity to make it an obsession. It should be akin to Jon Stewart’s philosophy to hiring a replacement for The Daily Show, where he said something similar.

    • M33

      Hire Seth MacFarlane. Now there’s a guy who is chomping at the bit to make a Star Trek series.

      • Eric Cheung

        He has the passion for Trek, but would he be willing to give up all of his cartoons and movies to make Trek his number one priority?

        • M33

          Yep. If you see any of his interviews, the reality is he is COMPLETELY BORED with making his cartoon shows. Peopld keep watching them, and he is basically now just doing it because its a paycheck. He badly wants to be taken seriously when it comes to science and sci-fi, but it is difficult for studios to take the risk on a crass comedian.
          He’d probably do a great job, and we might get a more mature person out of it, too.

          • Brian Thorn

            I was completely bored watching his cartoon shows after about ten minutes. For the love of God, do not let this guy anywhere near Star Trek.

      • scotchyscotchscotch

        yes, yes, yes. he’s working on a live action space-themed show now that i can’t wait for

    • Fctiger

      I say this all the time but for all the crap Rick Berman got the man was dedicated to Trek. He ate, slept and dreamed it for 20 years. Its not like he couldn’t went off and did other things while he ran it but it became a full time job. Now of course Trek just had a lot more going on at the time too but its not like he had to create and run the shows himself. He couldve delegated it to more people as he eventually did with DS9.

      But the point is thats what Trek needs again, an overseer or at least a group of overseers. I never considered JJ Abrams an ‘overseer’ of Trek. He just made a few films he managed to squeeze in with all the other crap he had going on. No doubt he was committed when he was there but it was far from his main priority, hence why it took 4 years between the first film and 09.

      And I guess with all the crazy division between the movie and TV department it makes it hard for one team to be in charge of everything but thats what Trek needs again. They dont need one person but at least a team of people under one person like Marvel and Star Wars. People who are there ONLY for Star Trek and not just fit in between their busy schedules as the films and now the show is being done. Hopefully the people on Discovery is just committed to that show at least.

      • pittrek

        I never understood the hatred Berman receives from many American “fans”. I am satisfied with like 90% of the stuff which was created under his supervision

        • Fctiger

          I don’t either. And I didn’t love neither Voyager or Enterprise but they were still quality shows. 80% of all Trek today was done under his watch and has set the tone for the franchise for 20+ years. Abrams films were fine but they were far away from Trek IMO, just fun distractions. Berman’s Trek actually focused on the issues and themes Trek was known for and he was the person who created my favorite Trek show: Deep Space Nine. He will always get credit for creating such a unique and daring show in the franchise.

        • Brian Thorn

          I don’t hate Berman & Co., but they very clearly were creatively exhausted by the time Enterprise debuted. I don’t blame Berman per se, but Paramount. They should have seen the writing on the wall with Voyager’s declining ratings and not let Berman & Co. do yet another show after that (which after a strong pilot, went off the cliff ratings-wise.) Paramount should have politely thanked Berman & Co. for their service and then brought in an entirely new creative team to take over. When they announced Enterprise would be set at the dawn of the Federation, I don’t think I was alone in expecting a show about the founding of the Federation. We rarely got that. Enterprise could have been about trying to establish the UFP among the various well-known aliens (how often did we see the Tellarites anyway, twice?) while building up tension about the looming Earth-Romulan War. Instead, we got more “alien of the week” stories that seemed like rejected Voyager scripts. And Ferengi. And Holodecks. And Borg. And don’t get me started on the idiotic Future Guy and his Temporal Cold War. Enterprise was just one huge missed opportunity.

  • DamienL

    Discovery has been managed really poorly thus far. Not a good sign. I’m not sure how they didn’t see Bryan Fullers conflicting responsibilities coming?

    Come on CBS get your crap together.

    • MattR

      It’s not all on CBS for him having to leave. I’m not sure how Bryan Fuller didn’t see his own conflicting responsibilities when he accepted.

      • Ace Stephens

        I’m not sure how Bryan Fuller didn’t see his own conflicting responsibilities when he accepted.

        I bet Fuller was just so excited to be involved in Trek that he ignored that it would probably be a work overload because he wanted the opportunity so much. He had said in the past something along the lines of that it would be his dream project to develop/run his own Star Trek series.

        So as soon as I heard that he was in charge, my first thought was, “He did it.” Knowing his other projects, my second was, “How will he be able to do it?” I wonder if he forgot to ask himself the second question for too long or if he thought he had it sorted but it just became too much.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      No one is going to convince that Fuller could have dumped that rarher obscure Neil Gaiman project in favor of Trek if he had wanted to. I think that project was his excuse to get out while he still could.

      All things being equal, no one picks an American Gods novel that was marginally popular with a niche readership like a decade ago over Star Trek — LOL, are you freaking kidding me?

  • herbertwest1701

    Have to admit, it’s hard not to feel disappointed and slightly cheated by Fuller’s departure, after his passionate statements about growing up to be a “Star Trek writer”. As well as being known to fans from his previous Trek work, his crafting of quality TV series such as ‘Hannibal’ lent him an air of trust and credibility. Despite the mystifyingly poor CG in the Discovery teaser 🙂

    Not to be too pessimistic, however, hopefully Bryan’s launching of the show will help steer it to greatness – his commitment to diversity is a good start. And there are still some trustworthy names in the mix, not least the great Nick Meyer. Others are unknown quantities, but time will tell. I’m still beyond thrilled we’re finally getting new Trek back on TV.

  • Fiery Little One

    (sigh) Well, at least it looks like we have the makings of a good cast.

  • October_1985

    So… who is the top dog now?

  • bytes

    Now we can do post Voyager / Nemesis 🙂

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      You say that like it’s a good thing?

      • bytes

        Absolutely!

        • Fctiger

          Yeah it would be but its not happening. People they are already casting and its been said a dozen times now they are sticking with Fuller’s original plan. They don’t have time to change it now, the show would be delayed even farther.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            If what you surmise is correct, then — Phew – thanks for some news, even if you youtself can’t see it as such.

          • Fctiger

            They are already casting it so I just don’t see how since there has been zero talk of the premise changing. I don’t really like the idea of yet another prequel but I’ll give it a chance. But I do fear a lot of people won’t because it is a prequel since no one seems in love with his premise but if its a good show most may come around.

    • Morgan Smith

      Why not both?

      • bytes

        You just won all the points!

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    So I expect that now we are going to get Stat Trek – Berman 2.0.

    I am massively disappointed.

    • Fctiger

      A. What does that even mean? What is Berman 2.0 when you don’t even know enough about the people running it?

      B. Did you forget Fuller got his career under Berman making mostly Voyager? You guys need to let go of the Berman rant. The guy hasn’t been around Trek for over a decade and judging by how much Trekkies liked Abrams version of Trek which could now be dead due to Beyond bombing reality is they may still hate Fuller vision as well.

      • ¡ zer0 !

        Some Trek fans only own The Original Series on Betamax and ignore everything else – i’m sure of it.

        • Fctiger

          LOL yeah I’m sure of it too. TOS was fifty years ago, its never going to be recreated. Hell they tried twice now to some extent Enterprise and the KT films and both VERY mixed receptions.

          I love nearly all of it btw, DS9 easily my favorite above all of them but yes as fans overall we say we want more Star Trek but then hate everything about it. Its unreal sometimes. I’m shocked there are still people even trying to make more lol. I’m almost positive the JJ Abrams crew will call it a day at this point.

          And if this show fails, yeah say goodbye to Trek for a long, long time.

          • Cabo 5150

            Respectfully, Berman era Trek is almost 30 years old now – and is every bit as archaic and parochial, being, as it is, just as much a product of its era as TOS. Certainly, from my perspective, TNG almost feels *more* dated than TOS – being mired firmly in 80’s sensibilities. TOS almost has a “retro-cool” feel now.

            I’m not necessarily directing this at you or anyone else in this thread, but I do feel many TNG/Berman era fans continue to hold onto a somewhat unrealistic and deluded notion their personal favourite is still the hip new kid on the block. Nope.

            Also, I have to disagree ENT was in anyway a recreation of TOS. For me, it’s merely another variant on the TNG formula – feeling *nothing* like the original in tone or execution.

            For clarification, I’m a fan of all Star Trek to varying degrees – and I’m making these comments *as* a fan.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well said – all your points here are spot-on, Cabo.

          • Cabo 5150

            Thanx!

          • Fctiger

            Nah I’m open to all and any Star Trek but the reality is 80% of it came from him. TOS is now 50 years old and had 3 seasons, only 2 that were actually good if you listened to the fans. I grew up watching TOS before TNG ever came on. I probably seen every episode a dozen times but even at my young age it came off cheap and campy but great story telling.

            The only point being made is this entire ‘Berman Trek’ is Star Trek for majority of people under 50 and watched it because there was a lot of it it to watch. And yes Fuller was very much apart of that so this odd idea that he is somehow not tied to it when he wrote Voyager out of all things is bizarre.

            Now I’m pretty sure his version of Star Trek may be different but we really don’t know, right? But I don’t really care who actually makes it just that its made. I obviously liked what Roddenberry did although he got a LOT of help but it was a three season gig and TMP bored the hell out of me. When Harve Bennett took over the films, those were great minus Star Trek 5. TNG and all the shows that came after I loved although yes I liked Enterprise the least the least and in fact never watched past season 1 until 2013 when I finally watched the rest of it and ended up loving it in hindsight. It actually took me a while to love DS9 because it WAS so different but became my favorite, second only to TNG.

            The Abrams movies I liked but didn’t love. There were OK but they felt too much like flashy action movies because they were. If they make a fourth one I will definitely be in line opening weekend but Trek really belongs on TV why I’m hopeful this one is good. But 600 episodes and 4 films came from Berman as producer who made some pretty great TV but yes some bad too. But when you have 600 episodes under your belt thats not a shock lol.

          • Cabo 5150

            Well, I went out of my way to explicitly specify I wasn’t necessarily referring to you or any other poster in this thread – so I don’t understand why you elected to begin your response with “Nah, not me…” etc.

            Anyway, the majority of what you’ve written is merely your own subjective opinion – but, of course, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. For instance, TOS may be “cheap and campy” in your eyes – but not mine. Also, I’m under 50, and TOS is easily my favourite iteration of the franchise.

            Let’s take “cheapness” shall we. I really don’t see any qualitative difference from TOS in, let’s say, the Omicron Theta planet set (“Datalore”), or Q’s imaginary planet from “Hide And Q”. Or, for that matter, the endless recurrence of uber-cheap, ubiquitous, and thoroughly unconvincing/fake “cave sets” which peppered the Berman Trek era.

            Actually, many of the TOS planet sets were better IMHO.

            We’re both united, seemingly, in our hope Discovery will be an exciting, fresh, and radical spin on all that makes Star Trek great. Fingers crossed.

          • Fctiger

            Well you still aimed it at me lol. So yeah I’m just clarifying this has nothing to do with Berman or his Trek in general, he simply made the most of it and its what most younger people know because they simply grew up with it. Enterprise has only been off the air for a decade now, yeah awhile now but not where a new generation of people grown up like what happened between TOS and TNG.

            I grew up with TOS but was born after it ran but yes it was a cheap show. Everyone who worked on it will tell you lol. I’m just stating a basic fact although I know the effects at the time were considered good. And if you can’t find Shatner’s Kirk as overacting to a ridiculous level then I envy you lol. It was a campy show but it was also the 60s, a lot of shows were. But there is a reason why when they made the TOS films they moved away from those types of stories like finding Lincoln in space or meeting space hippies because the era had changed and the films were more straight forward sci fi shows. They felt nothing like the show and that was for a reason although the spirit was very much there.

            As for Discovery yeah everyone wants it to be good. For the sake of Trek’s future it HAS to be good because I truly think the Abrams films are done. They might try and squeeze out one more but if the BO is as bad as Beyond thats probably it for those.

            As for Discovery its sad CBS doesn’t believe its strong enough to put on regular TV but hopefully enough will give the streaming site a chance although I know a lot are pissed because they have to pay for it. I paid $45 to watch Beyond twice, I will happily pay $6 a month if its good lol.

            And I think people who don’t like it now just have issues with the premise which I can’t blame them. It has nothing to do with Trek or TOS, most people simply don’t like prequels in general and yet Hollywood keep shoving it down our throats. Sure they will watch them if thats all that is but people generally want to move forward in story telling, because we don’t know whats ahead. That just makes it more exciting and fun.

            Imagine if Disney for example after buying Star Wars say instead of making a new sequel trilogy seeing what happened after ROTJ and that instead they were making a new trilogy based around Rogue One and those characters. Can you imagine the moans over it? We just had a series of prequel films and now they decided to make another set of films in the New Hope era before Luke and Han showed up. Sure people would see it but everyone would be rolling their eyes over it. Especially since all Star Wars has done is prequels as well when you include The Clone Wars cartoon.

            Well Discovery feels EXACTLY like that, literally, setting up a new show just to basically set up TOS. We had Enterprise, we had the KT films, people just like to boldly go again at this point and I think why people aren’t excited for Discovery as much as they want to be. Disney was at least smart to make their main series of films a sequel trilogy and yet fans are still moaning they are making a young Han Solo film. Everyone loves Han Solo, it doesn’t mean we want to see before ANH no more than I care to see what Kirk was up to before TOS. The KT films already explored it. Hopefully though Discovery will feel unique regardless of the period.

          • Cabo 5150

            No, I didn’t “aim” anything at you, I made a general point off the back of your post going out my way not to specify anybody – but thanks for the clarification anyway.

            I hope you will accept my clarification on this matter.

            Once again, I understand you, find TOS to be “campy”, and Shatner’s style to be “ridiculously overacting” etc. I do not – whether you “lol” or not.

            It would seem pointless to enter into an extended “to-and-fro” highlighting some of the perceived weaker elements/episodes from our respective preferred iterations of Trek. I could recount Troi’s appearance as a “cellular peptide cake” with mint frosting for instance. Or the “space ghost” from Sub Rosa. Or the utterly feeble and absurd (IMO) “ape-like” Ferengi from The Last Outpost… etc, etc.

            Ditto for all Berman era shows.

            You might not find those examples weak or really silly, but I do (see how that works). My point is, we each have completely subjective opinions on these shows.

          • Fctiger

            LOL you replied DIRECTLY to me so yes in that sense it was aimed at me lol. You could’ve just wrote what you wrote without responding to anyone right? Its not a big deal but since you did I was just clarifying for anyone who thought certain Trek fans are only liking certain Trek. Sure everyone will have their favorites but the majority of fans just want to see new Trek period, which is why so many saw Abrams first Trek film.

            Listen you are coming off defensive and I have no idea why. Look you responded to me first not the other way around. TOS was a cheap and campy show. I mean seriously lol. It was. Its not to say it was any less of a good show, clearly it was. But people made fun of the show, Shatner’s overacting, the cheap sets, gogo boots and mini skirts for decades now. But that was also the charm of the show. It was an era of its time.

            All the shows are but the 60s was a much longer time ago so it stands out much more in that regard. Nothing wrong with it, it is what it is but its no way in hell you could get anyone under the age of 30 to sit and watch a big screen budget of that today and why, thankfully, Abrams didn’t try. Even Roddenberry moved on from that and why TMP felt more like 2001 instead of the show he invented, which was a minus IMO because while the show was campy it at least was fun and spirited. Roddenberry stripped all of that tying to make TMP a Kubrick film instead of keeping the spirt of TOS. Thankfully Meyer and Bennet found a better balance with TWOK, which was ALSO a cheap film but done right.

            I like ALL the shows, period. None are perfect I agree and why I like TOS more than Voyager and Enterprise. I grew up on TOS I wouldnt be watching Star Trek today if I didn’t watch that first…or in theory I guess.

            Anyway I’m not getting on TOS case, I’m only saying we don’t need more of it 50 years later. I also don’t want another show or reboot about TNG or DS9. I want to move FORWARD, thats all that is being said here. I will happily give any show or film a chance I dont care who makes it but please stop going back to the same period to try and please people who only want nostalgia. Again if that was the case then Beyond wouldn’t have bombed.

          • Cabo 5150

            I refer you to my antecedent post reference the “directionality” of my initial reply to you.

            I can assure you I am not feeling “defensive” at all – again, that is your subjective, and in this case, completely erroneous appraisal. Yes, I responded to you first – it is not unusual to receive a first respondent on an open discussion forum – but that has no bearing on anything being deliberated on here.

            I hope I’ve been able to clear that up for you too.

            Despite my best efforts, you’ve come back with further comments reference “go go boots” and “mini skirts”. [SIGH], I’m not going to bother responding in kind with any further equally, IMO, comical TNG illustrations, as either you’re deliberately attempting to prolong a pointless “pissing match”, or you’re simply incapable of comprehending what I stated.

            For the last time, it doesn’t matter how many times you “lol” or continue to berate me with your subjective opinion reference the “campiness” of TOS – I DO NOT AGREE.

            I’ve used emboldened capitals there, not in “defensiveness” or aggressiveness, but merely in the hope the proverbial penny will drop for you. Crossing my fingers.

          • Fctiger

            LOL OMG. Dude you responded to me. I simply wrote a response since you did. If you didn;t you wouldn’t have gotten one. NO BIG DEAL but yeah. OK?

            Yes TOS was a campy show…it was the 60s lol. Most sci fi and fantasy shows were. Dr. Who is just a few years older than this show and played up its camp to a crazy level. Most did. You are coming off defensive about it and no clue why. You don’t have to agree but anyone can just watch the show and see how ridiculously campy it was. And Roddenberry clearly knew that and took those criticisms to heart for the non fans who saw it as that and as said why TMP was stripped away of all that, even got Shatner to take it down five notches and why the film lacked IMO.

            Look this isnt about TOS, its about Discovery and this constant need to keep peddling nostalgia when most people want to see Trek moving forward. Roddenberry was actually given the chance to remake TOS in the 80s (or phase 3?). Instead the guy said no, took a chance and gave us something new and different in TNG. It stumbled but then became huge and Trek thrived after that. It only failed again when they made another prequel. Thats not why it bombed alone but yes most people just want to go forward. Thats all that is being said. If you disagree about TOS, thats cool, the argument is about the FUTURE of Trek that is the actual issue not shows we all watched a thousand times already.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Are you serious ??? REALLY ???

            TOS was and is still the greatest science fiction show in the history of television. Nothing else has come close.

          • Fctiger

            LOL where did I say its not a great show??? Dr. Who is also a great show and is campy as hell. All I’m saying is I don’t want to relive it in a new iteration JUST like I don’t want to relive TNG in a new reiteration. It had its chance with Abrams films now its time to move on to something NEW again. Thsts al that is being said. You can watch TOS for another 50 years most of us want to go forward again.

            ANd TNG still has high Blu Ray sales, one of the highest Netflix and Amazon views and plays two times a night where I live. Its not going anywhere. None of it is.

            PS I’m pretty sure Roddenberry would’ve made Phase 2 just as badly as he made TMP and the first two years of TNG. Both the films and the show got better AFTER he left and for good reason. 😉

          • Cabo 5150

            Yes, OK then, Fctiger… umm, LOL OMG… err, “dude”. You must be right, as you keep repeating TOS is a “campy show” – from the [GASP] 60’s no less. You keeping “LOL-ing” about it too – well, it must be true then – LOL.

            You assure me “anyone” can watch TOS – and agree with you it was “ridiculously campy”, LOL. Damn, you’ve provided some completely objective, falsifiable evidence, right there. I have absolutely no comeback in the face of such devastating logic. How could I not see it before, LOL.

            LOL, dude, my respect for you is truly unbounded. I think it’s admirable you can be so objective reference TNG too.

            I’ll look to your wisdom for all things Star Trek now, Fctiger – a wise sage you are indeed. Thanks, dude, LOL – OMG.

          • Fctiger

            Well, see, we finally agree! 🙂

            Take it easy.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Dude, when you act like you speak for the majority of fans, that’s when you will see other fans who care about Trek — like Cabo — correctly take issue with you. It’s not being defensive; it’s standing your ground for your own opinion in the face of someone who’s insisting on having at their way .

          • Fctiger

            I responded that TOS was cheap and campy I never said anything else lol. You guys are getting bent out of shape for nothing. As I said over and over I grew up watching TOS, its the foundation of Star Trek, all I’m saying I want to move on. I would be JUST as much against a tired TNG reboot. Stop making this a silly contest, I like ALL of Star Trek, even the Abrams films.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I love DS9 and like some of TNG. The latter Berman era, with Voyager ane Enterprise, was pretty bad Star Trek, and nearly ended the franchise.

          • Fctiger

            Well thats fine. I’m not getting on your case for having an opinion about it and yes I also think Voyager and Enterprise are on the lower end too although I like them and it took awhile to really like Enterprise. I gave up on it after season one.

            I’m asking though why do you keep throwing out this lame ‘Berman 2.0’ title? Base on what?? The fact the guy who got his career under Berman and wrote the show you least liked is no longer on it? Wouldn’t him not being there would make it least Berman since that’s where his experience came from? And no I dont personally think his style would be like Berman’s but why would I assume all the others left making it would be like Berman either?? Its just silly.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          You should audition at the Improv….well, maybe not

          • ¡ zer0 !

            I’m funnier than Brent Spiner thinks he is.

          • Fctiger

            LOL I love when he does his Patrick Stewart impressions.

          • ¡ zer0 !

            It would be entertaining every once in a while but every time I see him on youtube – he does it.

          • Fctiger

            I confess I’ve only seen it a few times but laughed at the ones I did see.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        A. No, actually that’s the unfortunate part. The writing team of Berg and Harberts had produced consistky B-level TV “fast food” fore their entire career, the one exveption being the half-decent pushing daises.

        B. No, but Fuller is a visionary and was committed to a new direction. I don’t see the “team b” of Berg and Harberts, who have us the horrid Roswell, as being up to this challenge.

        So I am legitimately concerned that this is going to be mediocre Trek at the level of the latter Berman era where we got the lackluster Voyager and Enterprise. So that is what I mean by Berman 2.0.

        This is my opinion and I’m going to standby it. Every time I bring this term up, you seem to have a bit of a hissy fit about. How about instead we just agtee to respect each other’s differing opinions? I think the Berman 2.0 term fits and I’m going to continue to use it

        • Fctiger

          OK I understand what you mean now but its still silly. Yes I get into a ‘hissy fit’ because Trek fans like you is why I wonder why do anyone bother trying to still make Star Trek when so called fans are already trashing it before it even hits the screen. Thats why Beyond bombed.

          I’m not saying you can’t have an opinion about it, but can you at least wait until we see a scene from an episode before you decide its going to be the worst Trek show since Spock’s Brain. Calling it Berman 2.0 comes off childish, since none of them probably ever met the guy.

          Call it what you want but fans like you is why I don’t understand why these people keep bothering to even make Star Trek anymore. Its also why I think Abrams and the rest moved on.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Hmm, no offense meant dude, but perhaps your real issue here is that you take other fans opinions way too seriously, and you choose to look down upon fans who don’t agree with your viewpoint?

            I just have a critical opinion of what this means to the new series, and you don’t, and that’s fine. But labeling me “one of those fans” with some negativity assigned to a whole group of fans — well, that is pretty negative in and of itself.

          • Fctiger

            You have already determined the show is going to suck because one guy is no longer running it. And I never said you had an issue with the new films I’m saying Trek fans in general seem to hate them especially TOS fans. Not all of them but enough. I’m a TOS fan and like them too but its clear reading these boards and others it bombed because they given up on these films. But hey thats fair, they actually seen them to judge. Discovery hasn’t shot any film yet and people are already calling its doom. If Discovery fails I don’t see any Star Trek happening for a long time now so yeah I hope its good.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            This from the dude who said himself:

            “Again you would THINK they learned that lesson with Enterprise. I guess not. Even the KT films were smart enough to have it where they can include characters from the other universe if they really had to although just used Nimoy up to this point. But now you make a show oddly cuts out all of the TOS characters and nearly all the Enterprise characters because its still over a 100 years after their voyage. Again its just the oddest place to decide to place the show. Oh yeah we are promised Spock’s mom may show up and that excited no one.”

            Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. WHOOPS!!! LOL

          • Fctiger

            Uh dude I said over and over even if I hate the premise I’m still excited for the show and will give it a chance. I have said that in this page NUMEROUS times already. Yeah I hate PREQUELS as I said but I’m still looking forward to the show and hoping it will prove me wrong as Enterprise ultimately did. Although about 8 years too late lol.

            I’m saying the prequel idea might keep a lot of people away and hence the cancellation as Enterprise which is why I’m shocked they are trying again.And BTW I been pushing for a fifth season of Enterprise for years. Thats how much the show won me over.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well, I think Fuller leaving is a disaster, but I am also still excited for the show. Less excited than before, but will I buy it still…yes

          • Fctiger

            Ok man, thats great. I wasn’t trying to challenge you on your fandom of Trek. If you took it that way my apologies. Really. I just believe in seeing it before I judge but yes everyone is entitled to their opinion regardless.

            End of the day I just want Trek to succeed. But we all do.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            OK, I apologize if I misread your posts as well. Obviously, we both have pointed out things we are not happy about with the show, but hell, we will be watching it on day 1 and will be hoping for the best!

          • Fctiger

            Well said!

  • SpaceCadet

    I feel no reason to dispair. Fuller co-created the show and laid the blueprint for all that will follow in its wake. He’s assembled a diverse and quality team that should shepard the show to success. Time will tell but no point in being negative at this point.

  • Harry Kane

    Its a bit more than themes, U need to get the look right. This cannon and it has to fit in well

  • Harry Kane

    Can’t look nothing like a late ENT early TOS (enhanced) design got to fit in between those moulds

  • Gary Hilson

    A friend of mine worked on the American Gods production and said it way over schedule and over budget which may have been why Fuller got behind on his Star Trek commitments and why CBS wanted a change.

    • M33

      If that is true, that really isn’t a good sign for a producer, especially if it doesn’t do as well as expected. It could be a killer in fact.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      American Gods – the series that most sf fans give a “meh” response when you bring it up. It was a minor hit 10 years ago; now it’s already dated. It’s a temendously inferior copycat alternate take on Stephen’s timeless classic, The Stand.

      • Tone

        This is what makes his abandonment of Discovery all the more interesting. One would have assumed that he would have been in the position to choose what he is doing, or wants to do, and to choose some little-known oddity over what should be a major Star Trek series, a new chapter of one of the biggest franchises in television history.

        Fuller himself said it was his dream to be running a Star Trek series… I can only see that he has had a run-in with the powers that be, and could not get his own way, or enough money, so he chose to throw down the toys and run away, and to save face, the studio convinced him to put his name to the series, to make it look like there are no problems, and that it’s going to be “a great series”.

  • Alex Huffman

    Maybe he wanted to produce something that was actually going to be on TV.

  • Xandercom

    This is fantastic news.

    Now there’s hope it will be post-nemesis, a ship which looks respectable, and pretty much all the other things his direction robbed us of before it even began.

    Good luck mate, on to the future.

    • Fctiger

      They are already casting. It will still be his vision. As was said they are shooting the first two episodes he wrote. It won’t change any of the premise just the people who runs it. But yes hopefully the ship will be better at least.

      • Xandercom

        They fired him with exec payment for the full first season. I’ve not seen a single interesting morsel of info come out to date. Each release adds to the dread of anothe prequel which holds absolutely no appeal.

        Of course this is no longer going to be so, in the same way that a bunch of phase II stories were rewritten for TNG.

        He was trying to make his own 60s fan boy fantacies come true by parking it right next to kirk.

        Unfortunately for him the majority don’t want that.

        • Fctiger

          They already confirmed they are using his scripts for the opening. Are you suggesting they are lying about it? Look I get it, you’re not happy about it but they are already casting roles for it. Its not changing now unfortunately, mostly because it would push the premiere date farther back and thats the last thing CBS wants hence why Fuller is gone.

          • Xandercom

            Scripts can be adapted.

          • Fctiger

            True. I guess we’ll have to see then but not holding my breath.

    • Snap

      I guess that depends on your aesthetics, because post-Nemesis does not necessarily mean the ship will look good. Ever since Next Gen, the ship designs have progressively become uglier, which is purely a subjective viewpoint of my own aesthetic preference, I don’t find the Nemesis era ships (nor costumes) visually appealing.

      I, personally, don’t really have any interest in anything post-Nemesis at this point. I’m willing to give Discovery a chance and don’t see why people are already crapping on it before seeing a single episode. It seems that not only is the show setting itself in the past, but also the fandom to the general attitude when TNG premiered.

      • Xandercom

        I can only disagree with all you’ve written, as per my previous post. I find nothing whatsoever of interest in what we’ve learned of STD to date, and I genuinely would sooner the whole thing was canned. We’ve waited this long.

        • Fctiger

          The ONE great thing about Trek here that we can ALL agree on is that there is so much of it today for any Trek fan to love. I long for the day we get another DS9 type show. I’m not saying DS9 itself, just something bold and unique again. Sadly we probably won’t though but to me thats where Trek should be doing, something unique and challenging. No it doesnt ONLY have to be that either, but at least change it up once in awhile.

          And maybe Discovery will do that. Whatever happens with it, good or bad, we have tons of Trek at our finger tips. I truly do hope for the best but yeah I can understand why people are nervous over it.

        • Snap

          Hey, it’s cool if you don’t agree with my position. I certainly don’t blindly love Discovery just because it is a Star Trek series. I am willing, however, to give it a chance when it premieres. With Discovery airing on Space in Canada, it won’t cost me anything extra to watch the show, so if the show fails all it will have cost me is my time.

          My own personal preference for placement in the timeline would have been between Star Trek VI and TNG. Even though it is going back in the time timeline in respect to TNG through Nemesis, the 24th century aesthetic has been overexposed with 21 seasons packed into a 14 year period with, to my tastes, increasingly ugly ship design.

          • Xandercom

            People are sick to the back teeth with prequels.

          • Snap

            So, what’s wrong with having a preference? I have mine and you have yours, neither of us have a “superior” preference over the other.

            I also cannot make it any clearer that I am simply giving Discovery a chance, I am not waving the flag for its setting or whether its story tied into a TOS concept which is cryptic enough that I don’t know what, exactly, they are talking about. The fact that it is a prequel (or, if we want to get really technical and include the time setting for “The Cage”: a side story) is irrelevant to me. Hell, this type of back and forth is a perfect example why it should be an entirely blank canvas and have nothing to do with any past Trek material.

            My mindset really comes down to this: if it interests you, give it a chance and if it doesn’t, then you don’t have to watch it. But don’t tell others that they shouldn’t watch it just because it doesn’t fall into what you think Star Trek should be. If you’re one to throw IDIC around for anything (that “If” being the operative word, as I don’t catalogue who invokes it) then that should really go without saying.

            Case in point: I really enjoy the Transformers franchise, but there are entries which I really do not care for. I gave the 2007 movie a chance and it did not resonate with me on any level so, what do I do? I don’t watch those movies. I don’t just eat anything up because it has “Transformers” slapped onto it or alter my opinion because someone else has an opposing opinion. They are entitled to their opinion just as I am entitled to mine.

            Back to Star Trek, I hate Into Darkness. Absolutely hate it. I hated it when I saw it in the theatre and decided to give it another chance with the Blu-ray and I still hated it. It didn’t matter if Simon Pegg told the people who hated the movie to “F off” or if Bob Orci had a meltdown over it, of ALL the Star Trek movies it is the one I cannot sit through another viewing. Others may love Into Darkness and that’s great for them, it doesn’t bother me in the least, so long as they don’t try to tell me I’m wrong for not enjoying it.

            Will Discovery fail? It might, it’s always a distinct possibility when a new show is launched. But it might also be as big a success as Trek 09 was. Trek 09 was a prequel.

            It’s not the place in the timeline which will decide whether or not Discovery will succeed, nor will an ugly ship rather it will be the writing. I think we can both agree that we don’t just want “Star Trek,” we want good Star Trek.

  • ¡ zer0 !

    He’s just one person. It’s not like James Hetfield leaving Metallica. There’s still plenty of writers.

  • Michael

    What a fiasco. They have no idea what they are doing with this show, do they? Can we PLEASE get the post-nemesis show all the fans really want before the stars of past shows get too old to guest star??

    • ¡ zer0 !

      Making this pre Kirk was the stupidest idea imo. Now literally NOBODY from all of Star Trek can guest star. Smart move idiots. Make it post TNG and you can have ANYONE from ALL of Star trek guest star. sigh.

      • Michael

        Exactly

      • Fctiger

        Again you would THINK they learned that lesson with Enterprise. I guess not. Even the KT films were smart enough to do where they can include characters from the other universe if they really had to although just used Nimoy up to this point. But now you make a show oddly cuts out all of the TOS characters and nearly all the Enterprise characters because its still over a 100 years after their voyage.

        Again its just the oddest place to decide to place the show. Oh yeah we are promised Spock’s mom may show up and that excited no one.

  • Michael

    Looks like this train wreck of a show is keeping the time honored Star Trek tradition of behind the scenes chaos regarding production. What a total disaster. Since Faker Fuller is gone and totally out, they need to ditch his story and start all over. The timeline choice right before Kirk was a TERRIBLE one, everyone hates the ship, and the true fans simply wanted a post-nemesis exploration driven thought provoking return to the prime universe.

    • Fctiger

      Yeah I will agree with that. Although I dont think it had much to do with him leaving the fact is none of Fuller’s ideas were huge hits for the fans and MAYBE (just came up with another angle) his leaving is partly over the fact they haven’t been too thrilled about what he wanted to do and decided its not worth the heap of scorn. Again just speculation and maybe not the full story but I do think can be part of it.

      I mean lets face it after STID, nearly everyone who worked on that film had nothing to do with the third one. Its like they all said ‘enough’ and just did something else. Fuller might have felt the pressure he wasn’t going to live up to the fans expectations and bailed early over it. I think when he saw how badly people reacted over that ship was the first sign it wasn’t going as well as hoped.

  • Michael

    Yea, good luck on that call for season two! Lol

  • ¡ zer0 !

    If every series is a different story. They might just do Bryan’s vision for S1 then after that make it post TNG for the rest of it.

  • Bifash

    Well, it’s certainly been a somewhat disheartening year for Trek ( depending on how you look at it of course ) – Bryan Fuller was announced as Trek Show runner with much fanfare and now is gone; STAR TREK BEYOND came out, but failed domestically despite being a good film, possibly putting the movie Kirk & Co.’s future in doubt.

    • Fctiger

      Failed domestically AND internationally. And yes its in great doubt. Discovery may be DOA but to be fair they haven’t even shot a frame of footage yet. Its just hard to say so I’ll still remain hopeful but yes it isn’t a great sign I agree.

      And its sad on Trek’s 50th birthday when we should all be in Trek geekdom its turning into one failure after another.

      • Bifash

        Yes, I forgot to say it – ESPECIALLY on the 50th anniversary year.

        The casting so far for DSC is great, as is the setting ( I know I am alone in that aspect ), so let’s see what happens.

        CBS need to give us something ( visually ) new soon that will get fans stimulated and excited, after all the disheartening news.

        • Fctiger

          Yes the casting has given me hope. I want Discovery to really be the TNG of the franchise and make the franchise exciting again even if I’m not in love with the premise.

  • ¡ zer0 !

    As someone just assumed there was no more Trek after Nemesis – everything we get from now on is a bonus. *shrug*.

    • Fctiger

      Have to agree. I’m just happy we are still getting Trek period. The Abrams films are fun but its not a show. The fact we are finally getting one again is great news. It sounds like its a rocky production so far but the casting news seems great to me at least so happy we actually have some news to talk about although yes its sad Fuller in no longer there but I’m willing to give all the people there a chance it will be decent at least. If they can at least get it above the Abrams films in terms of writing I will be super happy.

      • ¡ zer0 !

        Beyond was much better. Seeing as Pegg is an actual writer. His films are usually thematically multi-layered. I watched Star Trek IV with Orci & Kurtzman commentating and they know their Trek and they know movies and all about themes and all this movie making stuff – but their scripts are so thrown together.
        I don’t get it. Orci says he reads 50 scripts in a similar genre before he writes his own. Why was Into Darkness just a hodge podge of ideas ?

        • Fctiger

          YEs I think Beyond was the best as well. I didn’t like STID much mostly because trying to redo parts of TWOK and bring in a weird Khan just did the film no favors. They should’ve treated it like an original story but they do know their Trek. People give Orci so much hate, like Berman lol, but the guy loves Star Trek, thats obvious. His scripts could have been better though but its obvious they did try to make great films but they also are hampered by the reality of today’s film making where you have to get the 13 year olds to like your movie and turn it into a high octane film which why people criticized them for feeling more like Star Wars movies than Trek. But again Star Wars just sell a lot more tickets and you go with the market base.

          Beyond tried to be a bit like GOTG which I think also made fans dislike it a bit because it was once again trying to be something it wasnt. But I felt the story line itself felt like a classic TOS episode and why I liked it. It probably won’t be the most memorable Trek film end of the day and probably why it flopped but it did feel like the most Trek film out of the three IMO even with its flaws.

          • I really hope Simon Pegg gets to pen another Trek film! I think if he were given creative freedom and adequate time he’d really turn out something great.

          • Fctiger

            Yeah I liked Pegg too but I doesn’t sound like he will pen the next one at least assuming that one will still happen. But I give him credit for turning in a script in short order and yes it had flaws but overall decent. He and Jung should get the credit for trying to make it feel like a TOS story.

          • https://twitter.com/simonpegg/status/806218182415396864

            I REALLY hope this means they’re doing movie 4!

          • Fctiger

            Wow I was pretty sure the fourth film would be cancelled. This looks promising at least. Thanks! 🙂

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    All, here is my conjecture on what I think went down on this…

    Fuller is a visionary who wanted to do something incredible and high-end on this new Trek TV series. Perhaps due to him picking some of the wrong people (he’s not used to being a manager), and perhaps also due to the CBS Brass going cheap with some of the support staff (ref the preliminary work: the horrid special effects work and using a composer with no experience), the dude finds himself this fall surrounded by a creative team that is obviously not up to his own caliber (excepting possibly a beyond his prime Nicholas Meyer). So he’s put in a situation where he is rapidly losing confidence that he can make a great show given the situation. Given he want to do something great with Star Trek, but seeing that is no longer possible given who he is surrounded with, he decides to use the Neil Gaiman show as an excuse to bail out and cut his losses.

    Assuming my conjecture is right, I can’t really blame a guy.

  • Muldfeld

    Kurtzman and Orci are garbage writers. The only hope is Nicholas Meyers, but it will PALE in comparison to Ira Steven Behr’s brilliant stewardship of DS9. Also that CBS CEO wanted Trump to win for the ratings, so there’s little chance of relevant political commentary.

  • Fctiger

    Some actual news but Discovery is officially starting to film in January. So YAY! Yes we were suppose to originally get it by then but thats life. My guess though if they already announced filming then we are going to get tons more casting news in the next few weeks. And hopefully the big star of the piece.

  • Pedro Ferreira

    Not sure we quite dodged a bullet there. If they follow Fuller’s material it’ll still have the same problems. Still not keen on the serialised nature of the show either.

  • Tone

    Another reason why Bryan Fuller quit Star Trek:-

    “Fuller further suggested that while Star Trek is “a religion-free show”, the themes of faith and immigration in American Gods will make it “resonant and present” in 2016.

    “Religion on the planet has kind of gone extinct in a way [in Star Trek] and right now religion is feeding a lot of issues in many different ways,” he said. “As an artist, I want to represent the times in which we are telling a story and I feel like I have that opportunity with American Gods.”

    So, is he a religious nut of some kind? Or maybe he wanted Discovery to be about religious war and terrorism… I can see CBS not wanting to go down that route…

    Source: http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-trek-discovery/news/a816077/bryan-fuller-opens-up-about-his-departure-from-the-new-star-trek-series-this-is-the-best-path/

  • Michael

    Gonna laugh when American Gods fails to find an audience