It appears that a new photo, surreptitiously taken on the Star Trek: Discovery set has given us our first look at a cadre of aliens in costume for the new series – now in production in Toronto.

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Klingons? Maybe… Or maybe not.

This photo, posted early on Saturday (and quickly removed by the originator), rapidly made the rounds over social media this weekend and sparked a flurry of discussion around the look of the aliens.

The photographer stated that while he labeled the aliens as a “Klingon crew”, he actually “just thought they kinda looked like” the warrior race when questioned about it – so don’t lean too hard on the original statement, which appears to be just speculation.

Setting aside whatever species these humanoids may be for a moment, we can at least clearly see that the costumes featured in this image, align with the design featured in last week’s Discovery in-production trailer, which put the barbed armor front-and center – and both ‘dark’ and ‘light’ colored versions of the costumes appear in the set photo.

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Doesn’t look very comfortable.

Much of fandom has been in uproar over the suggestion that these creatures are some variety of Klingon; we’d agree that if these are new Klingon designs for Discovery, they would certainly represent a big departure from the previously-established design of the warrior race – aside from perhaps the ones seen in Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

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Klingons from ‘The Motion Picture,’ with head ridges going back behind the skull.

Some fans have gravitated to a theory involving possible “ancient” Klingons – perhaps progenitors to the Klingons we’ve come to know in Trek to date – based on leaked concept art of a “Klingon sarcophagus ship” which hit the web last June. This art also shows some similarity to the sets under construction in last week’s video; again, however, this is only speculation at this point. 

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The early stages of a Klingon set? Unknown at this point.

Last year, Bryan Fuller told press that the new series would feature a bit of ‘reimagining’ of the familiar Star Trek races, so should these aliens turn out to be Klingons after all, this may be the first updated look Discovery is bringing to the old Alpha Quadrant favorites.

One of the very cool things that we get to do on this show is – we get to re-imagine all of the alien species that we’ve seen before in the series, and do something a little unique with that.

So for all of us who have fetishized the look of all of the various species over the years of watching ‘Star Trek,’ it’s fun for us to put a new spin on old favorites.

While as of yet there is no official comment from CBS or the Discovery production regarding the leaked photograph, the semi-official writer’s room Twitter account certainly had something to say on the matter, implying the photographer’s swift exit from production. 

No matter what species this alien race ends up being, it’s certainly sure that this photo will give fans a lot to talk about – though we recommend a bit of restraint until this alien design can be put into proper context.

So sound off in our comments below, and let us know your thoughts!

  • James

    Looking a bit xindi with the spiky costumes.

  • Csere Mihaly

    If these are the DIS Klingons than they show no respect for the fans. After 50 years at least we get a pretty logical answer from ENT about the different Klingons over the years. Now if they introduce those as standard Klingons than this is not tweaking. This is a re-imaging of the race. BUT: if we will get the smooth and forehead Klingons as current and these are the ancients one than I’m all aboard with no comment 🙂 I don’t mind some tweaking (like Andorians in Enterprise) but this is to much of a change. Let’s wait and see … This is just too little information as yet.

    • Your Worst Nightmare

      You’re absolutely entitled to your opinion but I’m a fan and I don’t feel disrespected.

      • Chris Tyler

        Totally in agreement!

      • Csere Mihaly

        I should have said for the “50 years of continuity”. Sorry. I will not edit it now 🙂
        I wouldn’t feel disrespected either. I’m just glad we are getting a new Star Trek show.

        But I would really need and explanation for this. I don’t want extreme changes just because they have the budget for it a budget that was not present 50 years ago.

        • Your Worst Nightmare

          I get what you’re saying and I guess personally them changing the makeup of the Klingons won’t bother me and I’ve been a fan for well over 30 years. They’ve changed makeup of so many alien races so many times, it just doesn’t seem to me a to be a problem. I respect why people are upset, but frankly, I found the Klingon makeup of the Berman era to be a little cheesy.

          Regardless, I appreciate you editing the post. I’m really getting sick of the group of fans who get so easily offended by every little change done to the franchise. While I grew up in the Berman era of Star Trek, its okay in my brain to do a little re-imagining. Maybe I’ll like Discovery. Maybe I won’t. But changing makeup won’t be the reason why. If, as you said in your initial post, that’s what they decided to do.

        • Bifash

          Let’s not all jump the gun based on a fired extra’s photos. Once the show comes out, we’ll be in a better position to judge whether the new designs ( IF Klingon ) are “disrespectful” or whether there’s a story explanation.

          The Motion Picture Klingons, the STIII Klingons, and the TNG era Klingons did not need an explanation – we understood that they’re the same species.
          On our own planet, we’ve had cultures who practiced head binding leading to elongated heads. The other differences in the new designs could be down to environmental differences.

  • Tone

    Nice article TrekCore.

  • Chris Tyler

    Great article TrekCore, keep up the great work.

  • Vger64

    Dang… getting fired. That sucks. Thanks for the photo though.

    • Bifash

      The extra should have known better.

  • Harry Kane

    If there Klingons, they suck. You do not need to mess everything up, ST Enterprise got the balance right.

  • Morgan Smith

    Thanks, TrekCore! This is the first version of this article I have seen (perhaps because it came later, with a little more reflection) that puts this picture in it’s whole context and recommends caution and patience. Well done!

    • Fctiger

      True although if you heard of Trekyards on Youtube they cover design specs of Star Trek ships but delve into other topics like set design and occasionally make up and they put out a great video discussing the evolution of the Klingons in it. It really made me think about the designs I never thought of before.

      • mr joyce

        trekyards, yes, stuart foley and samuel cockings, they have a great channel, although the recent piece they made on the same info explained here, was a little too over analysed, even for their standards..not to say speculation isnt their thing though, thats what trekyards is built on

        • Fctiger

          Oh yeah I didn’t watch the whole thing lol. About 30 mins of it though.

          • cetrata

            I’m that cetrata guy from IMDB that responded to you about your stories on Cameron’s excuses for fox about delaying avatar 2. Did you hear that cameron delayed it AGAIN today?

  • pittrek

    I really hope they’re NOT Klingons. I was very afraid when he mentioned the “reimagining” of the races a while ago, and if these are really Klingons, they look much worse than I expected.
    If it ain’t broken, don’t fix it!

    • Bifash

      IF they are Klingons, they could be a race that’s part of the Klingon Empire, but are not Klingon by species. Or they could be Klingons who are adapted to their specific planetary conditions?

  • Pedro Ferreira

    “One of the very cool things that we get to do on this show is – we get to re-imagine all of the alien species that we’ve seen before in the series, and do something a little unique with that.” Well then that would mean it’s set in the Kelvin universe not the Prime one wouldn’t it.

    • Bifash

      I see what you’re saying, and I think for all intents and purposes, we won’t be getting a 2017 STAR TREK series with an 1960s aesthetic.

      I personally have no problem in envisioning this new series as being set in Pre-Kirk Prime Universe – I just see it as ‘future history’ being told through the lens of 2017 technology.

      In much the same way a biblical epic made in the 1930s will look different to a biblical epic made in 2017 – they’re both about the a specific point in history but would look vastly different due to the differences/advances in filmmaking technology.

      We’ll be viewing the 23rd CENTURY with the lens of 2017 advances rather than the lens of the 1960s.

      • TUP

        Utilizing modern technology to bring established aliens, ships, tech etc to the fore in 2017 is great. But coming aboard a 50 year franchise claiming you love it and then relishing in changing things for the sake of change…that does not compute. Stinks of arrogance.

        If you choose to play in the Prime Universe sandbox, you must respect canon. Its that simple. What is with these guys who claim to love Trek but desperately want to “fix” it? Go make a new Sci-Fi show unrelated to Trek if you think Trek needs to be fixed.

        • Bifash

          That’s an interesting point – I do wonder how they’ll attempt ( if at all ) to reconcile the modern look of this new series with the TOS?

          Perhaps they won’t. Perhaps though, they MAY try to line up instead with the aesthetic of The Motion Picture, which for all intents ( in visual terms ) was a “reboot” of the Star Trek Universe – the aliens, ship designs, etc. bore little resemblance to the series that preceded it.

          • TUP

            Perhaps a thin line, but there is a difference between using modern technology to bring a series into 2017 and changing canon just because you can.

            You could design the 1701 to look almost the same, using today’s technology and have it look really cool while still being the “same” ship. Someone on youtube has a video of the 1701 bridge updated with flat screen and touch screen. Looks great. Doesnt change the ship.

            In other words, if the Klingons looked 90% the same but slightly difference just because of the newer techniques in creating make up, that would be fine. Changing them because ONE person, Fuller, decided his idea for how a Klingon should look is better than 50 years of canon is all wrong.

            If he made a Star Wars TV show would Yoda be yellow with spikes on his head because Fuller thinks its cool? Ofcourse not. Respect the canon.

            If you dont like the sand, dont play in this sandbox.

          • Bifash

            I see your point, and as I say, we’ll be in a better position to judge when we see the series.
            If you’re proved right, then criticism can rightly be levelled – then.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            It’s odd as well as Fuller worked on Voyager so he should know what he’s doing.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Given Voyager was such a misfire, taking a completely different approach from that piss-poor version of Trek is actually a good thing.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I would wait for Discovery to come out before saying it’s better than Voyager.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            The bar has been set pretty low though.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Voyager wasn’t that bad. There were good seasons.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            They had to bring in an incredibly good looking woman in a form fitting body outfit to save the show.

            Nuff said.

          • Fctiger

            Well worth it lol.

          • Michael

            Are you speaking of Naomi Wildman?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            LOL

          • Pedro Ferreira

            The show actually got worse after she came on although not immediately. I think you’ll find a lot of people love Voyager so you’re in the minority there.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Hey Einstein, look how the downturn in ratings stabilized after she came on.

            She saved the series — most people accept that as fact.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I know she saved the ratings, I didn’t say that didn’t happen. I’m saying the quality of the series didn’t improve when she came on. Thanks for comparing me to Einstein though, I take that as a complement.

          • Fctiger

            People dog on Voyager but I liked a lot about that show but I like all Trek in general though. I don’t look at Trek as ‘Berman Trek’, ‘JJ Trek’ and all of that. For me its all just Star Trek.

          • Fctiger

            Fuller has said he want this show to be a ‘re-imagining’ of Star Trek. For god sakes its quoted in the article.

            “One of the very cool things that we get to do on this show is – we get to re-imagine all of the alien species that we’ve seen before in the series, and do something a little unique with that.”

            It can’t be said more clearly.

            He ALSO made it clear it won’t just be the Klingons who will look different but every species we seen in Star Trek before. So that can include Vulcans, Andorians, Trills, Bajorians, you name it.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            If Fuller wants to do a ‘re-imagining’ he should set it in the Kelvin timeline. There’s nothing wrong with the look of Star Trek aliens in the Prime universe. The term ‘re-imagining’ doesn’t make any sense anyway.

          • Fctiger

            Its in the prime universe because I imagine they want to stick to that side of canon and a lot of fans don’t like the KT universe (I do thought). And all he means is they will change the look a bit which has been done over and over again in the prime universe already. Yes I agree this is the most radical change but there has been change nevertheless.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Ok.

          • Elim Garak

            But Rodenberry himself changed the sand in the sandbox by re-inventing the Klingons in Star Trek – The Motion Picture. So I think he established a precedent that changes to the look of an alien race is OK in terms of canon. I suspect he thought this change was superficial, and realized that they could make the aliens in Star Trek look much more alien, which was not as possible on a limited TV series budget in the mid-60’s.

            Let’s not get hung up on making modern Star Trek look like a budget 60’s production. Updates and modernization are good, so long as the story-lines and major concepts are maintained. It’s kind of anal to complain about the “reimagining” for a 21st century Star Trek series.

            Besides, it’s better science fiction to have aliens look less like humans with make-up.

          • Fctiger

            Yeah I think thats all they are doing making changes as they done on many species at some point. I get people are use to the look since Klingons have had a standard look more or less between 1984 and 2005 which is a long time but its nothing wrong to creatively change them up either as they been done before. This is a case where Trek fans are too dug in to ‘canon’ to the point even cosmetic changes are a no-no.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Some will say we shouldn’t get uptight about continuity and I understand they don’t want to restrict themselves. The problem is what the Klingons look like is already set in stone. Enterprise even went to great pains to explain the OS Klingons.

          • TUP

            Exactly. Its the difference between Enterprise updating the Andorians and Discovery raping the Klingons (if these are Klingons with no in-universe explanation).

          • Bifash
          • AndyH

            Exactly. And how many times did we see Klingon blood in TNG/DS9, but then there’s the pink stuff from ST6.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yea, and I’d guess some fans posting here would love it if Berman-era Klingons were used now, and would love see a special episode that explained the different blood colors…LOL

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Apart from the OS and Kelvin Klingons they’re all the same.

          • Fctiger

            But the point is you are ignoring the obvious. The Klingons oddly has been the most designed aliens species in the franchise. No they aren’t ‘all the same’ because we already know there is a difference between the TOS Klingons and the others. People act like this is the first time there is a major design difference…it isn’t.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            The Klingons from TMP onwards have had the same standard design. The only time they changed it after that was Into The Darkness.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Nope. Incorrect statement.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Correct statement actually.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Wrong again

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Nope, right.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Nope, wrong

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Nope, right.

          • Fctiger

            Dude are you NOT looking at the same pictures as the rest of us? They are NOT all the same. Not a total design change but they have had multiple variations.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I look at the TMP Klingons and I look at the SFS Klingons and they look pretty much the same compared to Into The Darkness.

          • Fctiger

            Yeah only that they are not the same lol.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Yet they are.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Lay off that crack pipe. LOL

          • Pedro Ferreira

            They like pretty much the same as the Next Generation era ones.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            No they don’t

          • Pedro Ferreira

            They certainly are.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Nope

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Yes they are.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            No

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Yep, they are.

          • Fctiger

            This is great and actually what you laid out is one thing they could’ve done since TOS and simply say different Klingons are different races and why so many look so different just like the multiple races and ethnic group on Earths. Sure its easy to say in hindsight now but the Klingons we see in TOS didn’t even need the explanation we got in Enterprise but simply be a different race from the species we got use to seeing.

            But I’m not blaming anyone, its multiple writers and show runners for all these shows over decades but yes that probably should’ve been the explanation all along. They look different because they were simply born different, enough said.

          • Bifash

            I think this is where the imagination of fans come in positively – they will be able to reconcile ‘disparities’ with an imaginative leap.

            And even if the shows never address it ( though ENT did with its whole Augment arc ), it would be nice if some of the official spin-off material ( comics, novels, games, etc. ) acknowledged that.

            It can only add to the Trek universe being enriched, without necessarily invalidating what has come before.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Agree 100%

          • Fctiger

            Yeah I’m sure if this is really Klingons (which I’m like 99% sure) if they don’t explain it in the show then it will be explained somewhere. But Michael who I’m guessing you know here actually said there is an in-universe explanation and it deals with Praxis. He hinted its the conditions of the moon that could cause some changes. It could all be BS obviously but then it would tie in beautifully to their changes and may be a nice connection to TUC which we all know Meyer made.

            So if it goes that direction that would be super cool IMO.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Exactly — it’s ludicrous to claim these are all the same. Any 1st grader would be able to see the major differences in appearance.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            That Enterprise explanation was incredibly lame. It pandered to those fans who have a way too sentimental view of what canon is. Canon is storyline and overall concepts — NOT the look of the show, which is subject to the production values of TV/movies at a given point in time.

            GR himself completely changed the Klingons in TMP to make them much more alien. But then, with the Bennett movies and the Berman series’ the Klingon look regressed to a more human looking “make-up job of the week” look.

            I love it that the Discovery team is picking up what GR always intended to do.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Erm you do realise the TMP Klingons are the Berman Klingons…don’t you?

          • Bifash

            The Berman Klingons do not look like the TMP Klingons. The Berman Klingons look like a development of the STAR TREK III Klingons, which themselves were a heavy leap from the TMP Klingons.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Yea, TMP Klingons look like a different race almost….much more alien looking.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp/themotionpicture0025.jpg

            Cornish pasty forehead check, beard check, sharp teeth check. Yep looks like TNG Klingons to me.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            If you think Neanderthals look like Homosapiens, then sure, go for it. LOL

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Unless you want to nitpick the design they look pretty much the same.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Not even close.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I think you should of gone to Spec Savers mate.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You are the one wearing glasses….

            WHOOPS !!! LOL :-))

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Yeah I am the one wearing glasses and it seems I can see better than you can.

          • Fctiger

            Yeah I think the Klingons we all got use to seeing started in Star Trek 3. And not only the look but thats probably when they gave them a larger background with both neutral zones and the cloaking device and the Bird of Prey. All the Klingons on basically developed from that film although they were definitely altered here and there in later shows. But I don’t think it was until STID they got another distinct look but obviously still keeping with the basic aesthetic of the films.

          • Bifash

            I will say that while a long running TV series has the luxury of giving us variations of a particular species ( which they can explore over time ), I think for STID it was perhaps a little jarring for the Klingon to take off his mask and look like an entirely different species almost.

            For a fast paced movie, I think it’s necessary for the audience ( and the fan ) to “read” the images quickly* – perhaps some facial hair would have been enough for us to say Ah – that’s a Klingon alright”

            * Hence I have no problem with the phonetic spelling of Qo’noS as “KRONOS” in that film – it’s the quickest way to ensure people ( non-fans ) pronounce it correctly.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            They are exactly the same! Sure it wasn’t exact but the style was there in TMP and continued on throughout the Next Generation era.

          • SpaceCadet

            You just contradicted yourself: you can’t say “they are exactly the same” and then say “sure it wasn’t exact but…” I understand what you’re saying – the Klingons in TMP are the first time we see the forehead ridges along with the pointy teeth and dark complexion along with the armor costume that was continuously reused in the Berman era TV shows, but from there the look evolved in Star Trek III and then again in TNG. I could look at a photo still of a Klingon from each production and be able to identify it just from the makeup design. So to say it is “exactly the same” is disingenuous. Michael Westmore purposefully kept refining the make up with each movie/show he worked on. Of course Into Darkness would have Klingons that look drastically different because he didn’t work on that movie.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            If they evolved it was minut, it wasn’t a radical departure and Enterprise actually went to lengths to explain what happened, quite successfully as well I might add.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            No, your are way off. Not even close, Just look at Bifash’s post below.

            GR wanted a more alien Klingon. Discovery is doing the same thing.

            Let free from your brain the unnecessary albatross of misplaced sentimentality in canon. Canon is storyline and overall concepts — NOT the look of the show, which is subject to the production values of TV/movies at a given point in time.

          • Bifash

            I think the Berman era aliens became increasingly poor, though I do understand a lot of that had to do with the constraints of weekly television.

            I imagine with the advance in sfx ( as well as make-up of course ) we can have some truly out-there alien designs. Even something as simple as different shaped eye-pupils for aliens could help in them looking more otherworldly.

          • Fctiger

            But yeah you just said it. And at one point they were producing 52 episodes a year. But I still think DS9 had the best aliens and it being an alien outpost in every sense of the word they took advantage of that as much as they could. But yes its still a TV budget. The TOS aliens always looked like a joke from painting people green to people literally in suits like the Gorn but it was the sign of the times. It looks pretty campy today though and the movies improved a lot from Star Trek 3.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Hell yes – this is what I was hoping for!!!

      • Pedro Ferreira

        So you’re looking forward to a series set in the Kelvin timeline not the Prime one? Ok.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Nope. You need to leave the sentimentally that is too focused on past production values behind. See my other posts here on this topic.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            So you are happy with seeing a Star Trek series reflect the Kelvin timeline. Cool.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            So you are happy making false statements.

            Cool

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I never said it was. You’re making out that you would rather it be.

          • Fctiger

            Man we know this doesn’t take place in the Kelvin Universe so stop saying that. And I don’t have a problem if some of the designs look similar to the KT either. And I hate to tell people this but more than likely the designs will look closer to the KT universe than they will the TOS one for obvious reasons, mostly because those are updated and recent. But they will probably go their own way in a lot of ways regardless. We already know the uniform will be completely different from anything we seen before as well.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            >>>Pedro Ferreira • 13 hours ago
            “One of the very cool things that we get to do on this show is – we get to re-imagine all of the alien species that we’ve seen before in the series, and do something a little unique with that.” Well then that would mean it’s set in the Kelvin universe not the Prime one wouldn’t it.<<<

            YOU WERE SAYING???

          • Pedro Ferreira

            What was a saying from that quote???

    • Fctiger

      No its just mean its just changes in the prime universe. This is done all the time in multiple franchises. We take this stuff too literally as Trek fans. There has been tons of changes in the prime universe for decades INCLUDING the change between Klingons in TOS and the films. Did that take place in another universe as well.

      • Bifash

        Exactly.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        How so?

        • Fctiger

          What do you mean how so? Do the Romulans from TOS and the films look exactly like the Romulans in TNG-Voyager? Do the Borg in TNG look the same in First Contact and Voyager? Did the Trill in TNG look like the same as DAX in DS9? Do the Andorians in Enterprise look the same in TOS? Yeah things get changed. Usually for the better I might add but they change the look of races a lot. Most of it due to update in technology, budgets, style. It happens. Yes this is a big change from what we’re use to seeing but its far from the only change as well.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            He’s been peddling this weird “this makes these Kelvin universe Klingons” idea all day…bizarre!

            Nothing personal against him, but what he is suggesting is a moronic non-starter.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I agree the updates in technology allow refinement but the look is pretty much consistent.

  • SpaceCadet

    I had said in the previous post of this photo that Trekcore took down that these most likely are Klingons but now that the photographer himself (who was supposedly an extra) said they only seemed like Klingons I’m not so sure myself anymore. I’d like to think they’re not Klingons because the design is so radically different but I’m keeping an open mind. Perhaps these aliens are the reason for the Federation and Klingon Empire coming together on a joint mission.

    • TUP

      Wouldn’t the extra know if they are Klingons or not? Unless Im mistaken, would he not have access to the script or at least see some production notes or actual shooting (if he’s on set) and know? Seems more likely he was doing damage control by saying he only guessed or speculated.

      • Bifash

        That’s a valid point. For him I guess it’s too late – I imagine CBS wanted to be the ones to reveal the look of these “Klingons” by way of a proper photoshoot, good lighting etc.
        Now unfortunately, this pic has caused somewhat of a stir for fans ( though personally I think they look great despite not looking “klingon-ey” )*.

        • SpaceCadet

          In a way though, any publicity is good publicity. And the pic is ambiguous enough especially without any additional information that the speculation is leading to more interest and curiosity about the production.

      • jerr

        he could be part of craft services for all we know

        • TUP

          Except was identified as an extra by one of the writers.

          • jerr

            yep… and still may not be a the same costume as the people in the pic. My point was there is no way to know right now 😉

      • Eric Cheung

        I was an extra on the 2009 film. We never saw any scripts. We were told to put our phones into clasp envelopes and seal them to be retrieved at the end of the day. I have a friend who managed to sneak one into the port-o-potty while he was still in a cadet uniform, but he only used that as a profile pic once the film was out.

        I was at the Tustin Hangar where they had all the shuttles and we got brief training on how to do military stances and marches and we were told to be corralled into certain areas during certain shots, or file into certain shuttles (some with awesome details like deuterium tank readouts and seatbelts, and some that were just steps, doors, and wood). We barely even heard anything from the dialogue, though I think we heard Kirk not being assigned to a ship, and I know Karl Urban was there on the days I was there, as the women were quite fond of him.

        I was also at the Long Beach lecture hall for the Kobayashi Maru hearing (this is where you can actually see me, sitting behind Kirk). We got to hear the most from the script here, but we learned it the first time there.

        Then I was also at the Oviatt Library for the Academy grounds scenes. At one point, we were supposed to react to something and run toward it. We had no idea it was the laser drill. I think we mostly figured it was some kind of explosion. It was obviously going to be something put in during post, and we presumed that the Golden Gate Bridge would be behind it.

        The point is, if you’re background on a big production like this, the Assistant Director is in generally in charge of blocking, whereas JJ would be in charge of blocking and directing the principals.

        A lot of us were fans, but we weren’t even officially told it was the Star Trek movie. We spent our time at the meal tents speculating about the movie and what it was about, but we could only guess.

        • Daniel Ireland

          Sounds like a pretty awesome experience! Thanks for sharing some insight.

        • TUP

          Yeah thats how I’d expect a film set to be. Is TV the same?

          • Eric Cheung

            I honestly don’t know for sure, but I imagine that the larger amount of extras, the less likely we’d see a script, whether it was TV or film. I don’t see why we’d need to see a script under most circumstances anyway.

            I only did extra work once for a television show. It was for a pilot that never made it to air. I was part of a crowd at a warehouse in East Boston. It was about a family of witches that dated back to the witch trial days and in the present (2006 IIRC), they were head of some corporate empire. It starred Andrew McCarthy and one of the guys from Roswell.

            The scene I was in definitely involved some kind of special effects like the drill scene described above, but I think was like some kind of supernatural storm they were going to put into post.

            Oh, wow! I just looked it up on IMDB. This was the show:

            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0757372/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_17

          • TUP

            Thats awesome! I have a friend who’s an actress in Toronto. maybe I should ask her…perhaps she’s heard some scuttlebutt lol

  • Christopher Roberts

    Hopefully the poor extra wasn’t fired without pay. Or got given another chance, in return for public back-peddling with that “only thought they were Klingons” response. If one is an actor, you obviously need to know what it is you’re playing. Even an extra and don’t speak, so that some of that “think Klingon” comes through in the way you stand or interact with others.

    • Bifash

      I thought productions normally warn ( nicely ) the talent and crew not to disclose production details ( and have them sign NDAs ). This ( instagramming a photo to social media ) would seem to be an unprofessional act on the extra’s part.

      I feel it’s right that he got fired. May hurt his chances of being hired again.

      • Christopher Roberts

        True enough. I’ve been unfortunate to get fired once myself – nothing as glamourous as showbiz of course – but knew the consequences.

        What strikes me about these Klingons, is that despite the new-look, the press release surrounding the actors playing lead roles talked about their desire to unite the houses. That’s still in character with the Berman era versions.

    • Fctiger

      Yeah its Klingons. I mean the guy would know what race he’s playing as I suspect they play a big part of the story line in the pilot.

  • Bifash

    Terrific article by Trekcore. Whether these aliens do indeed turn out to be Klingons or not, I would like to STAR TREK alien species being depicted as not all looking the same, dressing the same, or all speaking the same language*.
    Look at the variety on our own planet Earth, surely alien species such as the Klingons, Vulcans, Cardassians would be just as diverse?

    *Or for that matter have their species name be the same noun used for their language AND planet ( i.e. the Vulcan species who hail from Vulcan and speak Vulcan – as opposed to Humans, who are from Earth, and speak HUNDREDS of different languages ).

  • Bifash

    “One less Extra”
    Was he sent to Rura Penthe???

    • Michael

      Let’s all upvote this so it’s the first thing everyone sees 🙂

      • Michael

        Yay!

  • Bifash

    Another thought that just occurred is IF ( BIG “IF” ) these aliens turn out to be Klingons, what will that mean for Vulcans, Romulans, etc? ( Both of whom HAVE been tweaked over the decades in their appearances ).

    I guess we’ll know when we get an image of James Frain as Sarek.

  • Bifash

    Some of Neville Page’s unused Klingon designs for STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS can be found here, as a comparison to these new “Klingons” :
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9f29f8f3aa206ff41a32c24caceb3bd1911f583f1f15fa44396c6966b3dc256c.png
    http://www.nevillepage.com/gallery_StarTrek2.html

    • Darkthunder

      See, those concept images still look decidedly Klingon (except for the first one). And with the exception of Christopher Plummer’s “Chang”, Klingons generally have hair (usually both head, and facial hair).

      These “aliens” are just too Alien to be Klingons in the PRIME universe.

      • Bifash

        True. I wonder though, if the aliens in the instagram post are female?

        • TUP

          They look very small in stature.

  • The Chadwick

    Right now its a love/hate for me regarding the Klingons new look, but i’m sure they’ll grow on me. I don’t think anyone should get in an uproar about the way they look, technically this is the 6th different look the Klingons have had in Star Trek. TOS “black-face”, TMP (narrow forehead ridge and ridges on the nose), Star Trek 3, 4, 5 and 6 had Klingons with head ridges but smooth human-like noses, TNG-VGR era (ridges everywhere), Into Darkness and now Discovery. Counting all those little intricate changes, there are 6 versions of Klingons. Change is good, and 50 years later, there is nothing wrong with changing the look. And if there are more changes to Star Trek, who cares, just cuz its prime timeline does not mean everything has to adhere to canon….and what I mean by that is…

    ….Look at it this way, when we discover new artifacts or evidence like dinosaurs having feathers we change our history books accordingly. Star Trek has always been called the history of the future. So lets say we are telling the history of the future, if we discover new evidence the story, the facts, the looks will change. TOS is how Star Trek was 50 years ago, but now 50 years later, things will naturally look a little different. Embrace change.

    Another apt point was brought up on Twitter. The Klingon empire consists of many different species, what if these are another race of Klingons who have evolved on another planet, I.e. Vulcans, Romulans and Mintakans, same species but not.

    For whatever reason the costumes remind me of the Goa’uld from Stargate, especially with the two different colours, grey and the Klingon in the white off to the left.

    What I am wondering though, is who is that in the background in the centre of the photo? It looks like a red uniform. Looks like that person is also wearing a helmet, akin to the helmet we saw in the recent teaser video who some people are guessing is Lt Saru.

    • Rass

      Apparently, you didn’t read the article. They’re not Klingons.

      • Salvador Nogueira

        Apparently you didn’t. The article says they may be Klingons, they may not be. It doesn’t say they are not Klingons. It is unknown.

        I’m personally betting they are Klingons. And they look just fine to me. We should think of canon as “history,” not visuals at this point. They remade all TOS visual effects for HD! Which are canon, the old ones or the new ones? The right answer is: both, or none! Whatever! What really counts as canon is story, not looks.

        • The Chadwick

          “We should think of canon as “history,” not visuals at this point”
          Yes, exactly the point I made : )
          Im only 33 and I bet children’s educational dinosaur book are different than mine were 30 years ago. New evidence, changes fact and history.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Of course they are Klingons – Trekcore is just playing it safe.

        If it swims like a duck, flies like a duck and shits like a duck….it’s most probably a duck

      • The Chadwick

        Holy hell, don’t be a donkey, I read the article along with about a dozen others on different sites. I am simply making an argument for, assuming they are.

  • Daniel Ireland

    Could be Klingon relatives that we’ve never heard of for some reason. Like the Romulans to Vulcans?

    • Eric Cheung

      Or even the Remans. It is an empire, after all. They could be a species dominated by the ones we know, if they even have any relation to the Klingons at all.

      • Daniel Ireland

        That would be interesting too! We could also find out why they are never mentioned after the time of Discovery as well lol.

  • Rass

    How stupid would Mackay have to be to have done that. He HAD to know this would get him fired.

    • Bifash

      Some people today are so engrossed in posting pics to social media ( or playing with their phone while walking ), they can’t see beyond their next instagram post.

  • Kirksdeadjim

    The idiot deserved to get fired.How could he NOT know this would get him in trouble if not fired? Good luck getting a job as an extra again on a tv/movie set!

    • SpaceCadet

      He probably could of guessed he would have been fired but still posted anyway because he couldn’t resist the urge to be cool and show off to everyone. I was an extra on the Batman v Superman film and we all had to sign paperwork that we wouldn’t post any details on social media about what we saw or did. I was afraid to post on Facebook that I was even working on the film out of fear I’d get in trouble/not be asked back. And we weren’t allowed to have our phones on set or in the staging areas where we wait before going on set. So this guy clearly knew he was breaking the rules.

      • rottenpear

        If that’s the atmosphere his behavior was self destructive, if nothing else. He’s now essentially got himself blacklisted from extra work for a while, would be my guess.

      • Fctiger

        Yeah I would have a hard time believing in the days where projects are becoming more and more secretive DUE to internet leaks that this guy wasn’t warned not to post anything.

        I mean I almost got into trouble taking a picture at the first Star Trek movie premiere in Sydney inside the theater. I wanted to just take the picture for myself of the crowd, no plans to post it online and this was before the movie was playing of course and I had not least of three people approach me lol. It was no big deal they were just worried i was trying to test my camera to try and take clips of the film later on. The point is even at a freakin film premiere inside the theater I was given a warning with no actual film running. I can only imagine how tight the production is on the actual set and all the no-nos given.

  • Fiery Little One

    Considering the fact that he was just speculating, I’m going to leave them as ‘unidentified’ until further notice. As others have said, he should have seen this coming the second he hit ‘post’ or whatever it says for uploading photos/videos.

  • jstimson

    I’m not buying that these are the same costumes as shown in the STD second teaser. There are marked differences, they only appear similar upon first glance.
    Aside from the overlap order, the spines are different, the slope of many angles is different, heck, there are more than a few differences to indicate they are not the same.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/be7dbe0a526ffdd3a5c9fe29ccf175ee063b3f6d63b723b2d99f700c59f8b5d6.jpg

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Simple explanation — some of these are from the ancient Klingon sleeper ship; others are modern Klingon armor suits

      • jstimson

        Well sure, if you just want to make stuff up. But everyone is so busy trying to pull wildly disparate pieces of information together that they’re losing sight of what little they actually know for sure.
        We got a leak a long while back of artwork by Samuel Michlap for klingon sarcophagus ships and everyone freaked out, yet it was all assumptions.
        We got the second DSC teaser and everyone assumed the spiny costumes we saw are Klingon, although there is nothing stating that.
        We get this mystery Instagram post, which the original poster now refutes as being Klingons, and again everyone freaks out and makes assumptions.
        Myself, I’ll believe what I see from official posts, official trailers, and the first episode. Everything up until then is just fanboy self-gratification.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          “Well sure, if you just want to make stuff up”

          Not at all. I am paying attention to what we know to date.
          The Klingon sarcophagus ship design matches one of the interiors being constructed as shown in the teaser. So, I’m pretty confident we will see ancient Klingons in some manner.

          Then, obviously modern Klingons will also appear in the series. Hence, there is a likely explanation for two different sets of Klingon costumes.

          If you can’t put the clues together, that’s not my fault.

          • DS9 is King

            I agree These new Klingons have to be ancient Klingons from the sarcophagus ship I really hope that they are still using the sarcophagus because I heard that they threw that out and they fired the Artists and hiring new ones, also I heard that Michelle Yeoh left the Project and I hope these rumors are not true, also I heard they fired Bryan Fuller because there were disagreements between CBS Nexflix and Fuller. Fuller Tried to Cater to the Star Trek Fans because Star Trek Fans were saying to Fuller that they want Classic Star Trek not Dark Action oriented Star Trek and he was catering to them, but CBS and Netflix wants to make this Star Trek Darker More Action oriented more Game of Thrones the opposite of what the Fans want so they had a argument and in the end CBS said your fired fuller because they want to make this more Games of Thrones meets Star Trek.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well said.

      • rottenpear

        Or a different rank.

        • The Chadwick

          Exactly.

    • The Chadwick

      Just to play devils advocate. One should also make note that the front of the costumes are being compared to the back, The front would tend to look different than the back. Look at the extra standing at the end of the table with his front faced towards the camera. The costumes look similar to me. Also to make note, all the extras in this shot are just that, extras which means they will be playing the dime a dozen crew members. The costumes shown in the teaser video are probably of senior officers like commander or captain which means they would be different than the average crew uniform.

  • Io Jupiter

    IMO, The Mark Leonard Klingon Commander from STTMP still after all of these years looks the best. His voice was done by James Doohan and still sounds more alien like to me than any of the other voices done by other actors portraying Klingons .

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Agreed.

    • SpaceCadet

      I agree too – these are the most “animal like things” Klingons we ever saw and it helps that they weren’t speaking English. By TNG era they’re practically cute and cuddily teddy bears with forehead ridges.

  • Rana Rahman

    Of course they’re Klingons!! What’s all the fuss about?! The franchise needs a refresh after Berman’s wrecking of it, plus you need more detail for 4K and 8k broadcasts. We should give them a chance to indulge in their creative endeavours.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      E X A C T L Y

      ! ! !

    • TUP

      Indulging creativity when you alter core elements so much is for “original” endeavors. Not 50 year franchises.

      If you tell me they are ignoring the idea from TOS that women couldnt be Captains, I’d say “thats a great change that doesnt alter the franchise but modernizes it”. But changing a core element that doesnt need changing is ridiculous. Its change for the sake of change. Its d!ck-waving as far as Im concerned.

      • Rana Rahman

        This Trek isn’t really for you – its for a new generation of fans who probably haven’t seen Trek before – they don’t care how Klingons looked before. Hell, when I first watched TNG, I couldn’t care less how the original Klingons looked. The point is you should have an open mind and embrace the new!! 😀 peace

        • TUP

          That’s absurd. And its not like we have to argue about who Star Trek is for, we have an example.

          The very big budget, heavily marketed JJ films. Drew in new fans…who then left in droves.

          If you take a 50 year franchise and say “lets make a film or show that doesnt appeal to those fans…lets appeal to new fans” you better be friggen incredible because you’re already starting from a hole.

          Did The Walking Dead say to hell with the fans of the graphic novels? Ofcourse not.

          Star Trek is for Star Trek fans and there is enough to sustain the franchise. The problem is, the fandom has been so strong in the past that studios have managed to get by with lazy, lousy story-telling. But as the fandom ages and is eroded by bad story telling, they arent creating new fans.

          The way to create new fans isnt by re-inventing Star Trek. Its by writing good Star Trek. People want to be fans. They want it to succeed. And if you are respectful of the franchise AND you create good storytelling you will attract new fans…and the best part is, once you do that, you have 50 years of product for them to invest in.

          • Rana Rahman

            The fanbase isn’t enough to sustain the franchise financially – look what happened after Nemesis and Enterprise. The franchise practically keeled over. The point is going forward fresh blood, new ideas, re-inventions need to happen to ensure Star Trek lives for another 50 years. I recall when TNG came out, those so called Trek purists deemed it heresy and cast down TNG fans as fakes. But now look at them, they love it! Live long & prospect dear Trek fan x

          • TUP

            You’re proving my point. The fandom certainly carried the franchise at its peak. And was eroded due to bad storytelling. The peak of TNG on TV and TOS in film was very successful but you’re saying the people watching werent Star Trek fans?

            They were. And they’ve been eroded. Get them back and you’ll do just fine. Ignore the fans and try to create “new” fans by reinventing Star Trek as something else and you’re barking up the wrong tree.

          • Rana Rahman

            woof woof!!

          • Leopold Nienhaus

            Reinvention and Reimagining things isn’t the problem. No one expects the ship, uniforms or make-up to look on par with the original 1960 low budget show. However, you just can’t go too far with it, especially with something as iconic as the klingons, easily the most recognizable species out of Trek after the Vulcans. The klingons in Into Darkness looked very different, but were still recognizable as klingons. From what we can see in this picture, these “klingons” (if they turn out to be ones) look so different that they aren’t even recognizable as klingons anymore. Add to that that this show is supposed to be set in the “prime timeline”, e.g. is meant to be in line with the other shows and movies before J.J. it gets even more jarring. On the one hand they advertise being part of same old Star Trek, on the other hand they are completely reimagining things, they might as well be another reboot.

            I would even be fine with it, if this show was indeed a full reboot and wasn’t meant to connect with the other shows, or if there is a good story explanation for why they looks so different. Also, I might add that on set, with lighting and after postproduction, these may actually look more like Klingons than on the twitter-picture.

        • Berggeist

          But the Klingon look in TNG was predated by their appearance in the films as well as Gene Roddenberry saying that the makeup created for TMP was intended to have “always been” what they looked like. Their look was a nonfactor and the outcry had more to do with certain tonal changes as well as an admittedly difficult first two seasons (remember when the Ferengi were meant as the new threat to the Federation?).

          Also why would you want to jump in and be a fan of an established setting you’ll have to ignore the bulk of (in order to be consistent with your notion)? Isn’t that like only reading Sherlock stories set after his apparent death which was meant to actually be the end of the stories until reader demand forced the writing of more? Except in this case it’s the studio trying to capitalise on a franchise?

          • Rana Rahman

            Really?! Really?! Give them a break as they’re trying something new and fresh. If you don’t like it, just stick on your TNG Blu-rays and bury your head in the sand. Carry on living in the 80s and 90s dude.

          • Berggeist

            New and fresh would not involve an existing franchise or at least not an existing species. Give your head a shake. In a galactic setting there’s room for new, previously unseen races.

  • Locutus

    If these are new Klingons, I don’t hate the look. At least it is a little more alien. And I definitely like the costumes!

  • Michael

    My source says they are “100% Klingons.” The guy was trying to downplay it afterwards. He’s fired anyway now.

    • TUP

      Thats exactly the way it seemed to me. Any idea if there is an in-universe explanation or is this just arrogance on the part of the production feeling that 50 years of canon doesnt apply to them?

  • Michael

    Pedro seems to enjoy trolling. And people once accused me of being a “troll”

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      His posts make me appreciate you! 😉

      • Michael

        😉 saddest part is Pedro works for TrekCore

        • Pedro is not a member of our staff.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You mean to tell me Michael’s information is wrong?

            Like that never happened before, right? LOL

  • Michael

    Fuller broke under the pressure of the show and left, leaving turds all over the place for the rest of the production to clean up. That’s why the delay

  • Lora

    I really hope that these are not klingons.

  • DS9 is King

    The Guy who posted this Picture on the Net was Fired hence 1 less extra, I guess he shouldn’t of done that.

  • DS9 is King

    Star Trek Nemesis took place in the year 2379 what if this series starts off in the year 2397 and the USS Shenzhou is a new State of the art Dreadnought and it goes off and goes to Warp but maybe something happens similar to what happened in Star Trek the Motion Picture when the Enterprise went to Warp and it got caught in a wormhole, maybe the Shenzhou goes to warp and the ship gets thrown into the Enterprise/Discovery Timeline everyone gets knocked out and when they wake up the ship is teaming with Klingons. So the Shenzhou crew fight there way off the ship and get to escape pods but the Klingons capture the Shenzhou, the crew make it back to Earth in this timeline and tell Starfleet what happened and then a few years go by and the Klingons have built a new ship named the Sarcophagus ship a brand new Dreadnought made from reverse engineered technology from the Shenzhou, so in response Starfleet with the help of Captain Han Bo and the people from the Shenzhou along with Temporal agents and section 31 build a ship to combat this new threat.