STAR TREK: DISCOVERY Reveals at SDCC: New Trailer, Spock’s Sister (!), and More!

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It’s been months of buildup, but Star Trek: Discovery‘s big day at San Diego Comic-Con has arrived – and the new series took Ballroom 20 at SDCC by storm this afternoon!

The 45-minute panel opened with a brand-new look at the upcoming series, showcasing a trailer full of new footage from Discovery, including our first live look at Jason Isaac’s character (Captain Gabriel Lorca of the USS Discovery), along with our first glimpse of Rainn Wilson’s Harry Mudd.

After first hitting the Discovery prop, art, and costume gallery earlier in the day, Discovery cast members Sonequa Martin-Green (Burnham), Jason Isaacs (Lorca), Anthony Rapp (Stamets), Doug Jones (Saru), Shazad Latif (Tyler), and Mary Wiseman (Tilly) joined Rainn Wilson (Harry Mudd) on stage to discuss the series and answer fan questions submitted prior to the event.

Also joining the crew are producers Aaron Harberts and Gretchen J. Berg, as well as Alex Kurtzman.

Martin-Green reveled that she first got the call confirming she won the role of Michael Burnham while she was traveling in Buenos Aries, describing her reaction as one where she both “screamed, then cried” after learning the news.

On the changes to, producer Alex Kurtzman reiterated that the production and writing team are “all huge fans of the original series and obviously want to be accurate… we are within canon. It’s a little bit larger… in scale but we are very consistent with our origins.”

Regarding Gabriel Lorca, actor Jason Issacs admitted that his character is probably more “fucked up” than previous captains, and that he’s not trying to either look or sound like some of his Star Trek predecessors in the command chair.

Martin-Green reiterated previous comments about diversity being a central tenant of Star Trek, with Martin-Green saying that if viewers “say they love the legacy of Star Trek but don’t love [the diversity], then you’ve missed it. I encourage you to come on that journey with us.”

Producer Gretchen Berg said that the Klingon cast will be speaking Klingonese in the snew series, and that “you’ll have to get out your glasses, you will be reading” – meaning lots of subtitles for the warrior race! She continued, “we’ve gone to great lengths to be accurate with our Klingon language.”

She did also go on to say that they don’t want Klingons to be portrayed as “thugs of the universe” and that the team is working to “expand the culture” of the species. “The Klingons have their own pride, interests & talents,” said Berg.

Three Klingons in ‘Star Trek: Discovery.’

Doug Jones next spoke about his character Lt. Commander Saru, who as a Kelpian stands nearly seven feet tall on set – and has not just an alien face, but wears hooves for feet! (Guess he doesn’t get some of those cool Discovery uniform boots we saw at the costume gallery!)

Aaron Harberts described the series central storyline as trying to show how conflict can be solved by peace; even though some parties may “make mistakes along the way” – and how in the end, it’s about “understanding each other.”

Lt. Paul Stamets – a.k.a. actor Anthony Rapp – spoke next, revelaing that “love interest and partner” on the series will be Dr. Hugh Culber, played by actor Wilson Cruz, last seen in Netflix’s 13 Reasons Why earlier this year. “I play the first openly gay character in the history of TV Star Trek,” Rapp commented, and “I’m very proud of that – and that he’s a scientist.”

Finally, revealing some backstory on Michael Burnham, Martin-Green detailed that her character’s parents were killed during her childhood, which lead to Sarek (James Frain) taking her up as a surrogate father – and then connected her with Michelle Yeoh’s Capt. Georgiou as she grew older.

Frain spoke about his inheritance of the Sarek role, previously played by both Mark Lenard and Ben Cross (in Trek ’09), finding it to be a “fascinating and complex” role – portraying a Vulcan now forced to raise a fully-human child.

So this means that yes, Spock has a human, adopted sister we’ve never heard about — the producers say to “stick with [them],” and that this new family dynamic will be explained in the upcoming series. “You’ll see where it’s going,” says Alex Kurtzman, “but we are staying consistent with canon.”

Making a surprise announcement on the panel is news that composer Jeff Russo — best known at present for his work on FX’s Fargo and Legion — will be taking over the music for Star Trek: Discovery, and that the team behind the series has already started to put together the show’s title sequence.

Alex Kurtzman continued to implore  fans to stick with the series throughout its first year, promising  that there will be “big reveals at several points though the course of season… a lot of surprises along the way.”

Martin-Green leaned heavily on the team spirit found in her castmates, staying quite humble as the “lead” of the series:

“I promise you that we passionately believe in what we are doing,” said Anthony Rapp. “We want to do something meaningful, and honor what came before [Discovery].”

Stay tuned as we hit the press room at San Diego Comic-Con and speak with the show’s cast and crew!

  • David Lund

    The haters will still hate, but for me the panel and trailer…just wow! Very very excited now!!!

    • GIBBS v2

      Hate on haters, this looks like amazing entertainment.

      • M33

        That it will be.
        Just so tired of the sound bites against the so-called “anti-diversity” trekkies… which do not exist!
        It is unfortunate because they are miscategorizing many of the critiques that have been given by the networks and showrunner’s approach into a “you are a white male racist” category.
        Oh well.
        Politics is inescapable in America, in every field.

        Nonetheless, it has quality actors, quality production values, and to quote Q:

        “Now it’s time to see if you can dance.”

        • which do not exist!

          Oh you sweet summer child.

          Yes, they do.

          • M33

            I have yet to meet any.
            Even the trollish posters we get here sometimes have never stooped to wanting a non-diverse Trek. It is inherent to the franchise and the story of Star Trek’s humanity.

            Have you met anyone who has wanted an all-white crew to fit the “good ol’ days”?
            I don’t think so.

            I hear the news media report this kind of nonsense, but they are sensationalists trying to sell their product, so that comes as no surprise.

            I will entertain that there might be *some* bigoted Star Trek fans, but it would have to be 0.01% of the fan base, not even worth mentioning. Everything that has “fans” may have a bigoted ulta-minority attached to it, but we never hear about them, do we?

          • prometheus59650

            I have yet to meet any.

            I have yet to meet anyone from Argentina. Argentinians exist.

            And these gunboat Trekkers are plentiful. They like the tech. They like the phasers and the fighting, They like the gunboat diplomacy and the manifest destiny of it all (i.e. we like to say we’re all about peaceful co-existence, but, when push comes to shove the Federation is always right. You’ll see) of it.

            But they’ll throw SJW around about Trek as quickly as they will anything else.

          • M33

            Having been to Argentina, I can tell you they do exist! LOL

            However bigot trekkers are more of a convenient myth than actually real, a phantom to sell or promote a “superior” politick.

            Until we see actual Trekkies demanding an all-white Trek, remaining skeptical about these “bigot-Trekkies” would be more intellectually honest I think instead of easily scoring points.

            Although, you are very right about how you describe Star Trek’s “we are always right in the end” themes. It is definitely a sign of being an American product! No doubt about that!

          • prometheus59650

            However bigot trekkers are more of a convenient myth than actually real, a phantom to sell or promote a “superior” politick.

            No. They’re not.

            I’ve spoken o them for years online. They’re not faking, I can assure you. And I can be assured of meeting a few at every con I’ve been to.

            They may be a small minority, but they aren’t unicorns.

          • M33

            Fair enough, but still a very very small minority not even worth making media coverage over, considering.

            Now we both learned some things exist! LOL

          • Dan King

            There are bigots in EVERY community. Liberals have some of the largest closeted bigots in any community.

          • Dan King

            There are no bigots among Star Trek fans. How is that even possible?

          • M33

            There is a benefit of the show inherently being about accepting everyone as equals. Bigots simply can’t, be they left or right leaning.

          • Have you met anyone who has wanted an all-white crew to fit the “good ol’ days”?

            As it happens, my friend Al used to play D&D with a straight-up neo-Nazi Star Trek fan back in the day. He didn’t want an all-white crew, necessarily, but he did feel that it was important to the spirit of Star Trek that it show all races and species coming together… But only under the naturally-superior leadership of white human males.

            I will entertain that there might be *some* bigoted Star Trek fans, but it would have to be 0.01% of the fan base, not even worth mentioning. Everything that has “fans” may have a bigoted ultra-minority attached to it, but we never hear about them, do we?
            Maybe you haven’t been looking.

          • M33

            I think you may have proved my point at this bigoted micro-group of “fans” being an incredibly small fraction of the fanbase.
            It begs the question to your last sentence:
            “Are they even worth looking for or commenting on?”
            I think not. Trek’s got bigger fish to fry than to scuffle with a few toothless Terra Primers.

          • Big or small is beside the point. They’re vocal, and they’ve spent the past year making an uncomfortable amount of noise about Discovery having the temerity to challenge their prejudices, when challenging those prejudices has always been the reason for Star Trek’s existence, even if they were too stupid to understand that fact.

          • M33

            Best thing to do is ignore them.
            Bullies hate being ignored.
            When no one pays them any heed, they have no power.
            Engaging them only gives them prominence, and justifies that their ridiculous views are even worth combating.
            None of those folks are ever going to suddenly be convinced to be open-minded by throwaway statements like what was said at the panel or by other posters on sites like these.
            Did it work for the recent Ghostbusters? Nope.
            It is a sheer exercise in futility.
            If one thinks it is worth the effort, be my guest.
            I think leading by example is a much better way to handle those situations, rather than shouting from the rooftops how openminded we all should be.
            It is about as effective as an anti-Trump protest or an anti-Hillary protest. It is within ones rights to do so but is it really having an actual effect or is it merely making one feel good about oneself?

          • It’s my belief that failure to confront them only normalizes their position. They lose more ground by being shamed than they gain by being brought to public attention.

          • M33

            Or they get elected.

          • The refusal to engage them as what they are is why they get elected.

          • M33

            I don’t get the nuance you are trying to convey.
            The non-stop calling Trump a sexist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, dishonest, populist, mysoginist is or not an example of this?

          • If mainstream sources had been making the point months earlier he wouldn’t have gotten out of the primary. In an effort to seem fair and balanced, they waited until he had momentum, with which a populist is too late.

          • M33

            As soon as he announced in June 2015, the media and politicians of both sides piled on those titles really quickly, and pretty non-stop. Remember the “he said Mexicans are rapists” thing? That was right after his announcement. Just look at the media reports, newspapers, etc., for more. It’s loaded with them. I don’t think a couple months of more of the same would have changed much of anything.
            Well… too late now anyway.

          • Dan King

            Trump was going to win no matter what. He was pre-chosen.

          • Snap

            What gives anybody the right to classify what kind of “fan” a Star Trek fan is? You are no more a fan of Star Trek than I am, just as I am no more a Star Trek fan as the next person whose opinions I may not agree with.

            Discovery may be polarizing, but the people who “hate on the (so-called) haters” are just as bad as those they claim aren’t “true fans,” which is an idiotic concept in itself, used only by people who try to impose their opinions upon those they disagree with, either because they refuse to or are incapable of using logical arguments to support their views.

            I feel Discovery will be a good show in its own right, but just because someone may criticise aspects which don’t appeal to them does not make them a “hater” or any other derogatory term others may want to label them.

          • I’m not talking about people who hate on discovery. I’m talking about actual bigots in the Trek fandom.

          • Snap

            I can understand that, but I still don’t think any of us have the right to decide whether someone is a fan or not on the basis that we do not like their worldviews. It certainly goes against the spirit of Trek and is unfortunate, but I would say it is more a failing of their personal character than whether or not they happen to enjoy Star Trek as well.

          • That’s for damn sure.

          • Also, I think we’re talking past each other a little here.

            I do believe bigoted Star Trek fans exist, sadly. I’ve seen enough evidence of them with my own eyes to be unable to deny it.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Thank you.

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    • Alan Light

      Agreed. Everything looks great and a lot of thought and care has gone in to it. I suspect the haters aren’t really Star Trek fans and deserve our pity.

      • Zivaro

        Nope guys, you are not real fans. You guys are just Abrams star trek lovers. This series totaly ignores canon. How species, tehnology and uniforms look like is part of canon. And we real fan can not like something that destroyes everything we love.

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    • Pedro Ferreira

      And the fans will hate the haters. Just saying.

  • Bifash

    Damn shame the trailer’s blocked in the UK.

    • iamawild

      it’s blocked here in Canada too. The quick and easy way around? Using Chrome, download and install the Betternet VPN proxy app. Set the region to the USA. Worked for me like a charm.

      I don’t advocate I don’t advocate shortcuts around security but this just irritates me. Star Trek means a LOT to fans in Canada, the UK and all over the world. They should have accommodated everyone who is anxious to see this trailer.

      • Snap

        Or, a method you don’t have to worry about at all, change the address from “youtube” to “eachvideo” and it will typically show up just fine.

        • iamawild

          Tried that (and a couple of others), didn’t work.

    • Dan King

      Show was made in the USA. Why are you surprised it is blocked? I can’t see new Dr. Who stuff.

      • Snap

        If you want to get technical, it was made in Canada, which is not the USA and the trailer happens to be blocked in Canada as well. So, unfortunately, your argument just doesn’t make sense.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Huh??

        Toronto, Canada

    • James

      Trek Movie have a version with no region blocking. Or just search YouTube.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      YouTube it.

  • FanSince09

    Did they clarify whether or not it’s the Kelvin timeline, or why the Klingons look like that?

    • They clarified months ago that it is not the Kelvin timeline, and they clarified that the Klingons look like that because it’s just a TV show and now they have the budget to make them look like that– just like giving them the foreheads in the first place was until that godawful Enterprise storyline.

      • Karl

        Making it all up as they go along then. No thanks.

        • Just like every Star Trek series ever, mate.

          • Yes, including your favorite.

          • Karl

            did a pretty good job of sticking to it across four tv series and many movies. Why dick about with it? What is the benefit to anyone other than the production team pointing and saying “look we did that, arn’t we clever”.
            You don’t specifically make a prequel and then change everything, that’s not how prequels work. Star Wars can get it spot on, why not trek?

          • In what world is “Klingons have slightly more elaborate ridges on their heads than they previously did” a bigger change than some of the stuff on display in the PT?

          • Tera

            These Klingons look totaly different than canon ones. These look like different species. Reptile species. These are not klingons.

          • Morgan Smith

            The lizard-like/reptilian Cardassians have females with breasts (a mammalian trait, I guess here on earth at least) – just saying.

            Also, just for a moment think of this hypothesis: Discovery has a boat-load of Netflix cash and they want to really alien-up the look of Klingons because, despite the best efforts in the 1990’s and early 2000’s, the Klingons were humans with forehead appliances, fur and leather, and pointy teeth. Discovery wants to have aliens that look more alien, but they still have forehead ridges, still speak Klingon, have Houses, are concerned with honor, etc. all the key elements of Klingons (they even carry d’tangs and bat’leths). They are Klingons, they just look like they would have looked if someone had had more than a few thousand dollars to throw together some ship models and latex appliances. What do you think of this hypothesis?

          • Yes they are.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Different housing apparently.

          • Snap

            There have always been differences in Klingon ridges, from elaborate to subtle but they have always been recognizable as Klingons. Why don’t the Klingons have the Klingon ships from TOS if that is when it is supposed to take place?

            Why are all of the Klingons we have seen completely hairless? Most of the Klingons we have ever seen, except for young Klingons like Alexander and the women, have had some form of facial hair, but not a scrap on any of the ones we have seen with Discovery. Furthermore, none of the bald Klingons we have seen have had the elongated skulls which are prevalent on the Discovery Klingons.

            Their armor also looks absolutely nothing like canon Klingon armor, regardless of timeframe. I don’t believe for a second that Discovery takes place in the prime universe, there are just so many little and large changes which people could only explain (or disprove, for that matter) with negative evidence, but it works beautifully as its own unique entity.

          • Why are all of the Klingons we have seen completely hairless? […]Their armor also looks absolutely nothing like canon Klingon armor, regardless of timeframe.

            Maybe they shave/wear different armor? A whole empire of who knows how many planets need not be a monoculture.

            Furthermore, none of the bald Klingons we have seen have had the elongated skulls which are prevalent on the Discovery Klingons.
            Would we know that for sure, given we’ve never seen one without their hair before?

            I don’t believe for a second that Discovery takes place in the prime universe, there are just so many little and large changes which people could only explain (or disprove, for that matter) with negative evidence, but it works beautifully as its own unique entity.
            The only evidence that matters is that CBS says so.

          • Snap

            “Maybe they shave/wear different armor? A whole empire of who knows how many planets need not be a monoculture.”

            While I may not have any evidence to disprove that, you do not have any evidence to support it Negative evidence is not empirical proof. Using proof from canon material, the Klingon military wore a standard uniform/armor, which looks absolutely nothing like what we have seen with Discovery.

            “The only evidence that matters is that CBS says so.”

            No, the only evidence that matters is what is seen on screen. The final product is the only material which will be preserved.

            Gene Roddenberry, the creator, didn’t like much about the movies, including the fan favourite Wrath of Khan, considered The Final Frontier non canon and hated nearly half of what he saw in The Undiscovered Country. I’d say his opinion holds more weight on Star Trek than some CBS executives who inherited the franchise through business dealings. Still, I don’t consider his complaints valid enough to make the movies non-canon.

            There is already more evidence to suggest Discovery takes place in a similar yet separate universe than there is for it fitting into the established continuity. It doesn’t cheapen or demean Discovery, in fact it gives it the freedom to tell whatever story it wants to tell without worry about stepping on any toes.

          • While I may not have any evidence to disprove that, you do not have any evidence to support it Negative evidence is not empirical proof.

            Earth is not a monoculture. How’s that for evidence?

            Using proof from canon material, the Klingon military wore a standard uniform/armor, which looks absolutely nothing like what we have seen with Discovery.

            Using that same proof, during the same time period depicted in TOS through Voyager, Starfleet went through about seven or eight distinct uniform styles, some of which bore almost no resemblance to others. Is the new Klingon armor so much different from, say, the TOS Klingon armor compared to how different the TMP uniforms are from the Wrath of Khan ones?

            Or hell, perhaps they’re not part of the formal military– we just don’t know at this point. Perhaps they’re cultists, or mercenaries, or scholars.

            Still, I don’t consider his complaints valid enough to make the movies non-canon.
            Sure, but if that’s the case, why should your complaints, being a person who certainly has no more say in what is canon than the creators/owners of the franchise, be valid enough? With that said, what would constitute valid evidence, if an official statement on the part of the studio is not sufficient?

          • Locutus

            Star Wars has always had the Star Wars budget to accomplish their vision. Star Trek has not–such as the leap in production appearance from TOS to TMP (including new Klingons). I consider this another leap forward. As a matter of personal taste, you might prefer what has come before, but if they had had the same resources and technology available 50 years ago, Star Trek might have looked like this.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Egos got in the way.

      • Tera

        TOS klingons are explaned in canon ( DS9 and ENT). And klingons looked the same in TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and all 4 TNG movies. How klingons look is a canon. These new “Klingons” are just awful.

        • DS9 didn’t explain a damn thing, it offered a throwaway gag.

          ENT explained it, but the point is that it never needed explaining in the first place.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Still canon.

          • Sure, but that’s quite beside my point.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Not really, that Enterprise two parter is canon regardless of what some haters feel. This means Discovery should be making an effort to tie the Klingons to the events of Enterprise which it isn’t. No doubt the Okudas are going to have a lot of work to do when it comes to Star Trek source guides.

          • No. It’s still beside my point. Enterprise didn’t *need* to make that effort and neither should Discovery. TV shows should not feel beholden to the pedantry of their most hardcore fans.

            But if they really must, then… I dunno, have Worf or Martok or someone travel back in time and show that they have a weird nose and ridges on the back of their head and that’ll be plenty.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I think Enterprise did a great job of explaining the discrepancy, clearly in Season 4 with Manny Coto in charge of the writing they were trying to tie it to the original series. As I said Discovery makes no attempt to even look like the TNG Klingons. Visual continuity is important actually.

          • Whether they did a good job or not is irrelevant.

            They don’t look any less like TNG/movie Klingons than TOS Klingons do, and the world was fine with letting that pass for decades.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            The whole point of Season 4 was to provide some nostalgia and actually have the episodes act like prequels, thereby fulfilling the whole concept of the show so I’m happy they did that.

      • Locutus

        I agree that ST: Enterprise should never have retconned the Klingon head ridges. Total fan wank.

        • FightingMongooses

          I liked Enterprise’s explanation just fine. Though Worf’s explanation in DS9 was perfectly adequate as well.

          • Locutus

            The explanation was clever, but unnecessary. Fans eventually accepted updated Klingons after TMP without an explanation. Trying to retcon the changes opened a new can of worms. For one, some fans think these changes must be explained instead of just accepting them for what they are, a creative new look with a bigger budget and resources to make things look more alien.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Enterprise explained it perfectly thanks to the Reeves.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        I liked that Enterprise two-parter actually. It was well written plus it had Uncle Phil in it.

    • Aaron Matthew

      The Klingons are rumored to be from an ancient group that has been on a stasis ship for a very long time.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Prime Universe which looks nothing like it.

  • Bifash

    Okay, this Netflix version of the new trailer works in the UK:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWnYtyNKPsA

    • Bifash

      So glad to see a movie quality TREK series ( in terms of its high production value ). For some reason I am getting the impression that Captain Lorca is probably a rather shady Starfleet Captain. Love what I’m seeing though.

      • Karl

        Are you blind? The starship renderings look absolutely terrible. OTT chromatic aberrations everywhere, lens flares at every opportunity, everything is apparently made of bronze now.. It looks worse than some fan movies, no wonder CBS have tried to take them all down, clearly didn’t want to look as bad as it so clearly does.

        • DC Forever

          Nope.

        • GhostLoveScore

          Keep in mind that they probably collected action scenes for the trailer. I bet that there is not that much action in the series. But I have to agree that ships should have been made better. At least I get that impression from the trailer. I’ll wait for the series before I decide about the CGI quality.

          • Locutus

            Some fine tuning may be done between now and September 24, although I don’t think it looks bad.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          The effects like CGI’d to hell. The blurriness and saturation doesn’t help.

      • Dan King

        Lorca is section 31

  • Eric Henry

    “Kurtzman continued to implore fans to stick with the series throughout its first year…”

    That’s making me nervous. Like they know there are problems with the show.

    • Bifash

      What problems are you thinking of?

      • Eric Henry

        No idea of any specifics. I haven’t seen it obviously. Just know that it’s not a good sign when the guy running the show spends months before hand begging the fans to stick with it…

        • Dan King

          It’s a terrible sign they realize they have a huge dud that the fans are rejecting

          • Morgan Smith

            You know you are purposely misconstruing what was said (and you didn’t even hear it in context yourself)! See TrekMovie’s clarification (above, my paraphrasing) that Kurtzman was saying while Burnham’s existence wasn’t listed before in canon, to those people who are wary of such a big change, that watching the full season, you will see that they have done the addition to canon with respect to the Trek and understanding of the impact such a large addition might have.

            What is a terrible sign is a “fan’s” purposeful miconstruction just to continue bashing something they already disagree with.

          • Aaron Matthew

            Really, I am in two fan clubs and the 50 or so fans that I know are excited and happy about the new show. I never see them post online though, probably because people like you can be incredibly nasty and belittling.

          • FightingMongooses

            LOL, liking your own comment?

        • Aaron Matthew

          Months?

      • Alex Bales

        If you have to ask then there’s no point in explaining. You’re just one of those people that will buy anything with “Star Trek” slapped on it.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/21eee3a2690f11de9755ee9c149f0f9c352b0c812731e2543138a4e22e710931.jpg

    • It was intended towards those concerned that seemly-new modifications to Trek canon will be addressed in the series.

      • Karl

        I don’t think they can expect people to keep shelling out money to wait for whatever may or may not come. Personally I think the visual style looks abysmally poor. Fan movies have had better visuals. Even with all the money they still can’t get a decent VFX crew on site.

        • DC Forever

          Nope

        • Alan Light

          Karl. you’ve made your opinion known time and time again…time to move on and let the true fans…and adults….do the talking.

        • Dan King

          I agree. Star Trek The Undiscovered Country had much better and cleaner visuals

        • Morgan Smith

          Wow! Of all the opinions I thought people would have, I never believed that I would see people say that the VFX here looked bad. Just astonishing.

          • Dan King

            They do look bad. It’s like watching a video game. There is no life to the ships. No heart. The physical models had heart.

          • Morgan Smith

            I understand that models don’t carry the inherent reality of physicality, but they have their own drawbacks. I don’t think you can get a real understanding of the quality of the animated ship models in the tiny cuts in this trailer. I think to really see if the animators inbued them with momentum and weight and reality, you would have to see the full, final, in-episode shots. Hundred million dollar blockbuster movies can afford to build brand new models and do computer graphics versions as well, but TV, even expensive TV, goes with the faster and cheaper CGI, and has pretty regularly since the end of the 90s. To bemoan CGI ship models is to be a little stuck in the past. They are just not coming back for television.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Listen to the audio commentary for TNG’s Cause and Effect. Both McFarlane and Braga make extremely valid points at how bad TV like visual effects have got today compared to back then.

          • James

            It’s madness, the VFX are stunning. Everyone’s entitled to their opinions though!!!

          • Aaron Matthew

            Agreed

          • Pedro Ferreira

            The visuals look pretty much like the reboot movies, as in bland and CGI’d to hell.

        • Geoffry Woods

          Ever watch Babylon 5 back in the day? They made a series of TV movies after the show itself ended. The last was called “Legend of the Rangers,” and for some inexplicable reason it looked and felt *completely* different from what came before. Jarring differences, made for seemingly no reason. That’s all I’ve been able to think about since Disc. started up…. :/

          • Dan King

            “Legend of the Rangers” is what killed the Babylon 5 franchise. Will STD kill off Star Trek? If this show fails and with no more Kelvin movies on the way because Beyond bombed, we are facing a dark time for Star Trek.

          • M33

            Rangers was… just awful.
            That sequence where they were firing the ships weapons with punches and kicks…
            It was so bad…
            And that last Babylon 5 dvd with the three mini movies…
            What a waste.

        • Aaron Matthew

          Wow! I know your not talking about Star Trek Continues here. I like fan films but they are not better graphicly.

      • Dan King

        Kurtzman and all of them are LIARS and bastards. This is NOT Prime universe

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Personal attacks on the DSC team are out of line.

          • Dan King

            Bull crap. They are handling a national treasure and need to be very careful of their actions. Kurtzman has many “issues” to say the least that worries me as he is running the show basically. His “work” on the disastrous Kelvin movies is well know.

          • Aaron Matthew

            Somehow, saying that Star Trek is a “national treasure” comes off as narrow minded to me.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You may not appreciate his work, but you certainly are personally attacking him.

        • James

          That’s…… Arrogant presumption.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          It is but we have to lump it.

    • prometheus59650

      I never took it that way:

      Give us 13 episodes and you will have the answers you seek.

    • ButtonShoes

      That’s a sign that we need to avoid this show like the plague. With how they’ve ruined the Klingons and this ridiculous revelation about Burnham, that seems like the best bet.

    • Dan King

      There are massive, massive, issues with this show. A total disaster.

      • Alan Light

        Dan King, you’ve made your opinion known time and time again…time to move on and let the true fans…and adults….do the talking.

        • Dan King

          I am adult. How dare you attack me personally. Talk about Star Trek and stop being a damn nazi deeming who can speak and not speak.

  • Karl

    Just when you think they couldn’t make that ship look any worse…
    BAM!
    https://s13.postimg.org/ry0zxfzo7/std.jpg

    • Aaron Matthew

      I like the Discovery now a lot more than a year ago at comic con and I didn’t hate it then. Of course, Trek fans said the same types of things when TNT started about the D. Also remember hearing a crap load of complaints about the look of Deep Space Nine and the NX-01.

      • FightingMongooses

        Everyone should be thankful the show doesn’t look anything like that teaser!

  • Armand Laroche

    Only thing I’m hating on is the damn phaser turrets/phase cannon turrets, like a cow bell, can I get some more beams please. I’m also not impressed with that legion opening theme, I’m hoping a little Goldsmith is channeled for this… quick correction I start buying into that music at about the 2:00 minute mark.

    • Zuavio

      I hate the whole look of the series. It look nothing how that time period should look in canon. Klingons look nothing how they should look in canon.

    • Aaron Matthew

      Interesting, I like the look of these weapons more. I like the look of JJ Trek weapons as well but not so much the sound of JJ Trek weapons.

  • Justin Olson

    Interesting. The first thing that came to mind was the TAS episode “Yesteryear,” but Burnham must’ve been adopted by Sarek and Amanda after the events of that episode, otherwise the continuity would be all screwed up.

    • M33

      TAS is not considered canon.

      • Justin Olson

        As mentioned on page 40 of the Star Trek Cronology, “Yesteryear” is the sole exception to that self-imposed rule by the Okudas. In particular, the back story elements of Spock’s childhood from this episode are considered canon. The framing story is excluded.

        • DC Forever

          The Okudas don’t get to define canon. I consider what they wrote there a “suggestion.”

          • Justin Olson

            They literally do get to define canon. They have been paid by Paramount and CBS to do exactly that. You may not like it, or agree with it, and that’s fine. But they are the only officially licensed authors who have been allowed to write official chronologies and encyclopedias for the franchise.

          • That’s all fine, and they certainly might adhere to the TAS story, but I believe they’ll ignore all but the live action Treks if it suits their needs. I doubt many will disagree with that decision if it comes to that, including the Okudas.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Nope. They are not in a position to be in a supreme lead role of actually creating what we see on film on TV in Star Trek. They don’t create canon, but they are certainly paid to make well-meaning attempts at interpreting it…but that does not come anywhere close to the level of defining/creating canon.

          • Justin Olson

            The writers create canon. The Okudas categorize, order, and define it in the form of officially licensed books.

          • TIG1701

            If I trust anyone I trust the Okudas. They were the ones that got people saying Kelvin Timeline. Before that it was just nushittyTrek. Wait, or was that just my word for it?

          • Dan King

            100% agree with you. Okudas have too much power .

          • Dan King

            I actually agree with you

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Make up your own canon then!

        • M33

          The key to that statement is the word “elements”, meaning they can take and leave whatever they want, just like they did with Star Trek 2009 and ENT’s Vulcan arc.
          It’s something to base the idea off of, but not rigidly canon.

        • Dan King

          The okudas have too much power

    • Bifash

      But remember Kirk “happened to KNOW” Spock doesn’t have a half-brother too.

  • DC Forever

    Finally, mature true aliens for Klingons that don’t speak English or quote Shakespeare!

    • Get you a Klingon that can do both.

    • TIG1701

      They will still be speaking English. My guess is when they are talking to each other it would be translated, which they sometimes did or didn’t do in the other movies and shows.

    • FightingMongooses

      Hab SoSlI’ Quch

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Mature? You like them old?

  • GhostLoveScore

    I am trying hard to love Discovery’s design, but I just can’t. I like props, I like uniforms. I LOVE USS Shenzhou. I like saucer section of Discovery, but the rest is too weird for me. It’s like it’s not from the same ship. That being said, I look forward to the series. It’s only 2 months away now.

    • Morgan Smith

      Well, I, after having disliked the original look of Discovery, have come to like it more and more. The squared off secondary hull elements, visible when it jumps to warp in this trailer, look really nice to me, and something different from other Starfleet ships.

    • TIG1701

      Yeah sadly the ship is still shit. Looks a little better but its funny how much they are hiding it. First trailer ok, but we only get a half second shot of it in the second? Weird.

  • DC Forever

    This just in – a secret group of fans at the Trek BBS says that a trailer may be released today. 😉

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      A W E S O M E !!!

      LOL

  • Loving what I’m seeing and hearing both in the trailer and from the cast. The VFX look great, very cinematic and nothing like the JJ movies. In fact, that describes the whole trailer. There must be a reason they’re showing so little of the Discovery inside and out. Plot point, perhaps?

    • Dan King

      Section 31

      • TIG1701

        Based on what?

  • Trent

    All the dislike could have been easily fixed by setting this show 50 years after Voyager in a new quadrant of the Galaxy

    • prometheus59650

      There are no new quadrants in this galaxy.

      And 25th century tech? No. 24th was crutch enough.

      • Trent

        Didn’t know the Galaxy was so small .
        As for the tech a lot could happen in 50 years .
        Wasn’t one of the reasons ,used in the to explain retro , tech on the Original series in the late 90’s. Earth had some wars? Maybe some thing happened in the 50 years to arrest tech development {maybe Borg?} could easily make it a dangling mystery .
        And you can do the rest ,descendant of Mudd son ,main character brought up by Spock relative ,ect .

      • TIG1701

        You treat the galaxy like its the five boroughs of New York.

        You have any idea how big it is? I read somewhere even in Star Trek’s fictional universe from TOS to Enterprise they probably have only covered 5% of it.

        And people here think too small. As if no one can write compelling stories in other centuries. Just because people here can’t don’t discount every one else.

        This show should’ve been in the 25th century. At least it will look like it fits.

        • Snap

          Size-wise, yeah but there are only four galactic quadrants, which are pretty damned big. The confusion likely comes from the tendency in TOS to use them interchangeably with sectors. You could set a show within a “new” unexplored section of a quadrant but you can’t just create an entirely new one.

          The problem with writing Star Trek in the 24th century and potentially beyond is it got increasingly dependent upon technobabble that solutions to problems were largely gibberish. Even when writing scripts they would leave things blank with [TECH] so it could be filled in later and that is from professional writers.

          • FightingMongooses

            Agreed. We just barely saw the Beta Quadrant in DS9 (Sulu explored some of it offscreen in Undiscovered Country). And it would be interesting to see what became of the Delta Quadrant after Janeway’s Trail of Tears.

          • Geoffry Woods

            That was a flaw in the writers, not the setting or time frame.

          • Snap

            I didn’t say it was a flaw of the setting or time frame. I said the confusion about what a quadrant was likely comes down to the term being used interchangeably with sector, which I would think implies a flaw in the writing itself.

          • Geoffry Woods

            I was referring to the technobabble. 🙂

          • Snap

            Ah, I agree with that as well. When watching modern Trek (at least), in addition to the glut of technobabble, it’s hard not to notice how often the phrases “some kind of” and “some sort of” are used when a situation arises.

            It could almost be [some kind of] a drinking game, if you didn’t mind the chance of developing [some sort of] a problem.

    • ButtonShoes

      These people aren’t Star Trek fans. It’s obvious just from their quotes. This, for instance:

      “She did also go on to say that they don’t want Klingons to be portrayed
      as “thugs of the universe” and that the team is working to “expand the
      culture” of the species. “The Klingons have their own pride, interests
      & talents,” said Berg.”

      Does that sound like someone who has ever seen Star Trek to you? It’s like all of TNG, DS9, and VOY never existed to her. The Klingons have gotten tons of development throughout Star Trek, and have certainly been shown as more than the ‘thugs of the universe.’ Any Trek fan would know this. That she doesn’t speaks volumes. People like this who don’t know Star Trek can’t be expected to move it forward. So they create more prequel nonsense like STD.

      • Dan King

        No, not at all.

      • Morgan Smith

        I agree that Klingons have gotten some development, but I think you only really see it if you watch every episode of DS9 and few others. On TNG we saw one Klingon scientist (working with Dr. Crusher), on Enterprise we saw a Klingon lawyer, and on Voyager we saw a Klingon pragmatist. DS9’s best was Martok in terms of a developed character with layers, but he still largely fit the warrior mold. The three Klingons returning in “Blood Oath” were good characters, but still mostly the honorable warrior type. By and large, Klingons have been portrayed as on the not-so-smart side, interested only in fighting and honor (however the individual Klingon approaches it, and many have not been very honorable). The indications of depth and diversity (TNG, ENT, VOY mentioned above) are the exceptions to the rule. The well-informed fan can see the depth in the culture and characters that exist in a few places, but in general they are not very nuanced. And that is both the in-universe and real-world, general public perception of Klingons.

        The crew saying they are trying to expand the view of Klingon culture means that they are honest with themselves about the portrayal to date, and are trying to deepen it, which everyone should applaud.

        • ButtonShoes

          That’s silly, though. You can’t dismiss the episodes of Star Trek that expand on Klingons just because most people might not have seen them. TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT episodes have been there for everyone to see, including the people making this show, for decades! Whether it’s ‘Soldiers of the Empire,’ or ‘Once More Unto the Breach,’ if you haven’t figured out that Klingons have been shown in great depth and understanding on Star Trek already, then that’s your problem. The Discovery showrunners have only themselves to blame for being ignorant. And when they say they are Star Trek fans, they expose themselves as liars by not really knowing anything about it. That doesn’t bode well for ST:D.

          • Morgan Smith

            I am not saying to ignore those episodes! I am saying those are the exceptions and that in general Klingons haven’t been portrayed as thoroughly as they could be. Its a positive thing to want to give them more, not a criticism of what has been done so far.

          • ButtonShoes

            They’re not really exceptions, either. In any case, the people behind ST:D don’t even seem to be aware of them even if they are exceptions. I doubt any of them have watched much TNG, or any DS9/VOY/ENT.

          • Morgan Smith

            I have always hoped Star Trek would show Klingon culture with more depth and variety, but it just hasn’t happened yet.

            I could throw in more examples if you want: take House of Quark. The entire High Council is entirely uninterested, and seemingly incapable, of understanding the finances that control two of the great Houses of the Empire. Maybe that is Gowron’s influence, but that is fact. They say ‘screw it. let’s fight!’. and it happens again and again.

            I guess we are going to just disagree on whether these are exceptions, whether on the main Klingons are depicted and known to be thuggish, and whether the writers know anything about Star Trek (but one of them wrote the Voyager continuation novels). I guess I will leave it up to other posters to decide which side of this argument they agree with here.

      • TIG1701

        Agreed. That sounded like someone whose never watched much of Star Trek and just remember the Klingons from a few of the movies. Klingons haven’t been ‘thugs’ since the damn 80s. They have shown them in depth in every variety, especially in culture. They have been just as much as the heroes of the story as they were the bad. DS9 especially showed them in multiple shades.

        But if you’re going base them off the creepy black face space pirates from some TOS episodes and nothing more then yeah I guess you would only think that, which proves they are talking out of their ass.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        I’m guessing they held up TOS as their blueprint and have never seen anything else.

    • Dan King

      Absolutely!

    • Well, not if they wanted the connection to Sarek.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Or they could have set it in a parallel universe.

  • Tera

    Klingons still looks awful. These klingons are not canon.

    • Dan King

      Yes they are terrible

  • DangerousDac

    I love the content of that trailer completely – but I have to stress – the Visual FX need a whole lot of work to be up to the standards seen in Enterprise 12 years ago.

    • Dan King

      Yes they do

    • Aaron Matthew

      Rewatching Enterprise right now and I can’t agree.

    • FightingMongooses

      Have you seen Enterprise in HD? The CGI is generally pretty mediocre. I wasn’t impressed in 2001 and today you can get better in a video game.

      https://youtu.be/d_I8UqBx86o

      • Pedro Ferreira

        It’s not THAT bad but I think it’s saved by digitally inserting actors into the scene.

  • Dan King

    Absolute, unmitigated disaster. RIP real Star Trek.
    This series will NOT be canon, like TOS the Animated show.

    Fail.

    • prometheus59650

      Stop spamming the board, man.

      • Barak Aslani

        Why? Because his opinions don’t agree with yours? Stop bullying people and instead take the time to formulate your own opinions. Lazy.

        • prometheus59650

          First, it’s silly to up your own posts. Seriously, when was the last time you disagreed with yourself.

          Second, he’s spamming the board because he;’s spamming the board. He’s posting new top level comments every five minutes so that the only thing anyone sees is his commentary.

          • Dan King

            So you think people are too stupid to scroll down? How insulting.

      • Dan King

        I am USING the board. Not spamming it.

        • prometheus59650

          Not when you top-level comment every five minutes yo push everyone else downthread.

  • Dan King

    If they have a vocal song as the intro for the show it will be the final nail in the coffin. Kurtzman is basically begging the fans to “stick around”

    NOT a good sign.

    • Barak Aslani

      I couldn’t agree more. It comes across as so desperate and I still don’t trust him. We all KNEW where Enterprise was heading from the offset. We’ve all been here before. That’s what’s most insulting. This is a ‘board meeting’ created show. It’s not the Trek show the fans wanted. Your tech, your ships, your costumes, don’t fit into what came before – you insult our beloved continuity and our beloved community but don’t worry, stupid Star Trek fans will continue to oay through their noses and the JJ-thugs will be around to shame any fans who are brave enough to voice their opinions.

      • Dan King

        He can’t be trusted. He was one of the people who tried to butcher Star Trek and change everything with the Kelvin BS. In my opinion he is a no talent hack

        • Barak Aslani

          It’s always been my instinct too. He shouldn’t be having to beg us, his trailer should do the talking. On the subject of talking, I just hate the censorship. I hate that you can’t be honest about your doubts and how you feel without someone coming along to try and shame you or call you out. I’m really impressed by your honesty and intelligence Dan. I know we both hope the trailer is misrepresenting what the series is, but I suspect our instincts are right. I just can’t get past the Jemhadar style design for the smaller federation ship and tired emo music. I wish they could have created an exciting and fun series about discovering new worlds and if it had to be a prequel, for it to have looked like it fit into the prime timeline. We both know the deal. We both know how this series is gonna go…. I hear the toilet flushing.

          • Dan King

            I say how I feel about the show. I try to be respectful of other fans. I never tell anyone that enjoys what they are seeing to “stop talking”. I get very upset when they tell me to stop commenting because I don’t like what I have seen.

            Let me be clear about this. I hope I have been wrong.

            I WANT TO BE BLOWN AWAY BY THE SHOW. I don’t want it to fail. But there are serious issues with the show in my opinion. And my opinion bring with it experience going back to 1977 when I saw TMP at the movies

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            1979

          • Dan King

            Yea, 1979. Tired and made a mental mistake.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            No offense intended, but it would be very difficult for anyone reading your posts to believe you don’t want it to fail. It comes off as you rooting for it to fail.

          • Dan King

            I badly want it to succeed. I want another 7 years of quality Trek. I just have grave concerns.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I guess I just don’t see how criticizing every element we’ve seen is wanting something to succeed. I respect people not liking everything that comes out of Hollywood. I respect having concerns. I guess I look at it this way: I really didn’t like Voyager. I stopped watching it regularly about the third season. I certainly didn’t complain about it the whole time online. I just started to ignore it. If there were things I didn’t like that much about Star Trek or anything else, I’d say my peace and be done with it. But that’s just me!

          • DC Forever

            Yes, exactly. He says all thus predetermined stuff about how awful it is without even having seen one episode. It strains all credibility to believe he wants this to succeed.

    • startrekker1701

      Have been wondering for some time now what they’ll do about the title sequence. My guess is there won’t be one.

      • FightingMongooses

        I’m thinking it’ll get a title sequence of decent length since it’s not on broadcast TV/cable. And I do expect a vocal/pop song.

        • Dan King

          That would be a grave mistake. Everyone remember the fan reaction to enterprise theme song?

          • FightingMongooses

            It’s a nice enough song but it wasn’t the right choice for the intro. The imagery is fantastic though. The music Dennis McCarthy wrote would’ve been superior.

            https://youtu.be/9zuObd_gSKw

        • Pedro Ferreira

          If it is Agents of Shield length we’re in trouble.

  • Dan King

    “Captain” Lorca is either A: A section 31 agent posing as Starfleet captain, or B: Garth of Izar to be.

  • Barak Aslani

    It should !!!NOT!!! have been another prequel. Who the hell is making these decisions? The studios clearly do not care about Star Trek fans, because… they think they already have our money. They underestimate the general public too, thinking ‘the closer we set the story to Kirk and Spock’ the easier the average Joe will get the head around what we are selling. Listen – I welcome a black female lead, DS9 was my favourite series and Sisko’s reluctance to visit the holodeck to enjoy 1950s Vegas because “people like us weren’t welcome then” was such profound commentary for me. But fan shaming anyone who might see beyond color, and not feel it necessary to have diverse casting made such a fuss about, is disgusting. I am a gay male in his 30s, I tend to vote left… BUT I am sick of the lefts dismissal and worse, labelling of anyone who questions something. The classier thing to do would not have replied to the trolls, and definitely not say things like ‘they clearly don’t get Trek’. Nobody has a problem with your stupid series because you have an ethnically diverse cast… We don’t like your stupid series because it doesn’t respect our continuity and our community. We emotionally invest in a 50+ year institution but you come along and reboot/retcon/rehash/reset/recast and when you could be employing fine young artists and writers to create something NEW. Shock! “New”. Something that moves the story forward. Shocking concept I know…

    • Dan King

      Well said. From the start Fuller and crew had a very deep modern day liberal agenda they have tried to push down fans throats. Enough is enough.

      • Morgan Smith

        Hey, M33, look I found one!

  • Dan King

    Apparently the phase cannons were for some reason dropped after enterprise, even though the Andorians happily gave Starfleet upgraded phasers when the first Federation ship was constructed. What is this stupid early season one phaser pulses shown in the trailer?

    • Aaron Matthew

      Actually, talking to a scientist friend a while back we discussed how the pulses are far more realistic and practical than beams. Energy wise they make more sense.

      • Dan King

        They have antimatter power sources. Power supply is NOT an issue lol

        • DC Forever

          You make it sound infinite in terms of the power supply. That is not at all true. Of course they will want to make their weapon use as efficient as possible – that way the ships can last longer on battle. This is common sense in Star Trek.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            LOL — like, duh! How many times do we hear in Trek, “shields down 70%” or similar? They don’t have infinite power — what is he talking about???

          • Morgan Smith

            Well, what Dan King is saying is practically true, with the antimatter stores Federation ships carry (given the high energy costs of warp travel), the energy costs of combat are minuscule. As an example, the warp chart in the Next Gen tech manual shows 1.21X10^18 J/s to maintain Warp 9 (around 4.5 kg of antimatter consumed per second). If they could put that out through the phaser array, that would be a 1.21 million terrawatt phaser. I would argue that the real limits on phaser power is how much energy per second you can pump through the segments/linked segments/phaser turrets of the ship, how much heat those elements can dissipate, and recharge rates, etc. It is not limited by available energy stores. It’s a rate of use issue, not a supply issue.

      • DC Forever

        Agree in terms of the latest research.

    • Defiant had pulse cannons too.

  • Dan King

    The fans have spoken. The vast majority on TrekBBS HATE this trailer.

    STD has given Star Trek an incurable disease

    • Barak Aslani

      But don’t you dare say this on TrekMovie.com or your post won’t get published. I’m certain Paramount or CBS fund the site.

    • prometheus59650

      “The fans have spoken?”

      One segment, sure.

      • Barak Aslani

        Prometheus, another BULLY. Yes, I agree with Dan King. The fans have spoken! The series is reductive and could just a/ easily have any name attached to it. You tell me what Star Trek means to you and how you think these trailers have anything to do with what Star Trek means to you. And if you say explosions and spaceships then move on over to TrekMovie.com

        • prometheus59650

          LOL.

          Because I don’t disagree with you I’m a bully

          Flagged because you had no reason for any of that.

    • Morgan Smith

      Funny, of the 61 votes I see on the poll right now, 57 (93%) of them are B- or higher.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Yes, Dan King clearly said:

        “The fans have spoken. The vast majority on TrekBBS HATE this trailer.”

        Now that we’ve checked Trek BBS, and can clearly see that the vast majority (over 90%) rate this and A or B, now he’s he’s trying to claim, “oh sorry, I meant a poll of my my secret group of Trek BBS superfans which sends out secret emails to each other which of course is not available for any of you all to see on the Trek BBS” LOL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8225a93c93dc6bd7ec4bbc4a1692bf690d03a55547a8ca0c8e64b31c3b2cb6aa.jpg

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      I just looked myself — 90% are in the B range or higher.

      You are simply not telling the truth here.

      • Dan King

        Talking about the core fans who private message on TrekBBS, our main group that’s been there the longest.

    • [citation needed]

  • Dan King

    Now we have seen why they went after Axanar so heavily. Anaxar was going to be FAR superior to Discovery in terms of VFX, storyline, stars, and setting. Axanar won universal praise from the fans STD has greatly divided the fanbase.

    • prometheus59650

      They went after Axanar because Axanar tried to make money off of that which does not belong to them.

      • Dan King

        That, and the fact the fans LOVED IT.

        • Barak Aslani

          You are right Dan! There was mock outrage from the vocal few but what the Axanar team were creating was so damn RESPECTFUL. I still go back and watch Prelude. The costumes alone! The Cage era tech and costumes would have been so awesome. Instead, we have this new Discovery trailer… YAY! I’m watching a cutscene from Mass Effect…

          • Dan King

            Problem is Mass Effect was far superior to STD

          • DC Forever

            spam

          • James

            Have you seen Star Trek Continues? I find this to be the best fan film production.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I welcome more fan films that respect Star Trek better than Discovery does.

      • Barak Aslani

        Are you serious??? They DIDN’T need to then layout rules that would prevent every other legit and non-profit fan production from comfortably story-telling did they? Please use your brain and stop being a sheeple. If the fake Guchi bag is better than the ones the fashion house is churning out, let’s kill all bag makers and I can keep churning out bad quality merchandise. A fan production can’t tell a story longer than 10 minutes, they can’t use alien races and names and locations and the Star Trek title. Prometheus, don’t be a sheeple and think BIGGER. Axanar stuck the word ‘Star Trek’ on a bag of coffee, paid it’s staff and planned on renting out a studio space for profit riding on the back of donations – Mistakes in some people’s eyes, certainly a mistake in the eyes of the law – but the convenient fall outmeans ParaSHITE and C-B.S starve fans of exploring and playing in a universe they love, while other franchises encourage it. Convenient don’t you think…

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      “Axanar won universal praise from the fans”

      That is just simply not true. A lot of fans thought it was basically a Starfleet Battles type of show that was sort of a war mongering bastardization of Star Trek.

      • Dan King

        You must hang out with unusual fans.

        • James

          But…. Axanar was ostensibly about a conflict. I mean, the trailers were all battle scenes, or discussing war.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Exactly. War-Trek!

          • Pedro Ferreira

            The trailer for Discovery shows almost nothing but war. What’s your point?

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Well I count 7 votes on my post here and 3 votes for yours. If this was an ultra-secret Trek BBS super-fan vote, that puts my view at 70% and yours at 30%. Fortunately though, fans can actually view these upvotes, and don’t have to take my work for it. 🙂

      • Aaron Matthew

        I heard this from several fans.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Yea, as I said elsewhere, it was essentially “War-Trek,” with hundreds of million dead, and a military industrial race to build starships on both sides. The series is like Patton meets Star Trek, where the whole drama is about clever moves the the military commanders make to win wars, as massive amounts of beings die across the universe.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Says you.

      • Your Worst Nightmare

        Prelude to Axanar was a fine fan film. The FX was cool, the acting (with the exception of Alec Peters) was fine, if not in a few places overblown, but the story was absolutely nothing new. DS9 told a war story. Prelude does the same thing. It does not break new ground, except in how the story is told, through a documentary format.

        As for Axanar itself? I don’t know. All we got out of that was a boring two minute scene, a trailer with overnodulated vocals, a lot of merch, a creator who can’t take criticism who got sued.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          I’m not surprised the creator got annoyed, CBS spoiled all Star Trek fan films because of their ‘ground rules’.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Considering the fact it was his fault they ended up with the guidelines (by crossing enough lines to get sued and to continuously badger CBS for written guidelines), I have little sympathy for him.

            Other fan film producers? Sure. Just not Alec Peters.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            He shouldn’t have made money off the fan film but CBS went totally overboard and now fans have to suffer.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I’m a fan and don’t find myself suffering. YMMV, of course. 🙂

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I think we could have lots of great future fan films but now that can’t happen because due to the rules they all have to be 15 minutes and look amateur to get past CBS.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            I see it as fans needing to be creative.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Without good production values and more than 15 minutes running time I don’t see that happening which is unfortunate.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            A smaller budget and shorter run time should not be able to inhibit a good storyteller from telling a strong tale.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            I just feel the potential for something better and more in depth has been taken away from the fans.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            You are entitled to your opinion, of course. I’m not knocking it. Just explaining my perspective.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            No I partly agree with you, I get what you’re saying. I just think we could be getting more if not for a couple of CBS new rules.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Probably fair. It is certainly okay to disagree.

      • Yo.

    • Aaron Matthew

      Hahaha

    • Aaron Matthew

      Except for the whole treating its actors like crap. Yeah Axanar was a winner for sure.

  • Thomas Elkins

    As long as there are canon reasons for the changes, like the Klingons, and they leave some room to eventually bring in traditional looking designs, like Klingons, then I’ll be happy. A shot of the High Council on Qo’noS featuring representatives from all the Houses for example should show all the other designs. That would be neat. My only remaing complaint is CBS All Access. Star Trek belongs on TV. If it’s good I’ll buy it on Blu-ray someday.

    • Barak Aslani

      I agree Thomas. Let’s face it, the studios have made these changes (cooler Klingon make-up, gaps in the saucer sections, weird transporter room) for the sake of sexing up the property and selling it to a new crowd – but appeasing the dedicated fans takes such minimal effort. Like you say, a shot of some familiar Klingons, some techno exposition about design changes – it’s simple stuff and I just wish I could trust Alex Krustman gives a shit enough to do it. I just feel like the studios overestimate the fans loyalty and that we still feel sore after Enterprise. We didn’t ask for a prequel and just because the JJ-verse films were better than the tired TNG movies, doesn’t make them the standard for good Trek. There are a lot of bullies and trolls, but Star Trek fans need to stand up and be vocal about what they care about. Be heard. It’s OK to care about a 50+ year institution. It’s our continuity and it’s our community, it’s what makes Star Trek special. It’s OK to appreciate that.

      • Dan King

        I agree

      • TIG1701

        I agree as well.

  • I’m a little nervous that they’re trying to shoehorn Michael Burnham into Spock’s family; I REALLY hope that they do it well.

    Aside from that qualm, I’m very psyched for the new show!

    • Dan King

      It’s a fiasco, Spock never even hinted at this at all. It’s BS.

      • prometheus59650

        Spock never hinted at Sybok, either. Neither did Sarek or Amanda…and yet there he is.

        Checkmate.

        • I think it’s reasonable for the writers of Discovery to update and expand canon a bit, but I always thought Sybok was a ridiculous creation. Since from what I read, both Gene Roddenberry and Leonard Nimoy also thought Sybok was a ridiculous creation, I’d prefer to use my open mind to be open to this new development, rather than the example of Sybok. 🙂

          • prometheus59650

            I only use it as an example to illustrate the, she was never mentioned” argument is fundamentally flawed.

          • Snap

            That’s the problem with using negative evidence, it can be used to rationalize or disprove anything. Don’t like the Klingons? Use negative evidence to rationalize that there are other types of Klingons in the Empire, as there is nothing which can be logically used to counter it Don;t like that Michael Burnham is apparently a “foster child” and “sister” to Spock? Negative evidence is there to bail you out.

            The one thing which solves every nagging issue is the one which many people, oddly, have the biggest problem with: it is it’s own unique entity, similar yet different to the Star Trek we have known. Just because that would make it completely separate from the Trek from TOS (maybe ENT) to Voyager doesn’t make it any less “Star Trek” so I don’t understand the resistance to the concept.

          • prometheus59650

            Because, to many people Trek has to be what they envision new Trek should be or what they’ve always known it to be or else it’s not “real” Trek and “real fans” should hate it.

          • Snap

            On the flip side, there are people who think unless people love the changes made with Discovery, that they are”haters” or just generally treat them in a condescending manner.

            You can’t even voice your preference for a visual continuity without people throwing out the “modern production values” arguments, or if you dislike the Klingons, they throw up the rejected TMP concept art as if if makes any difference whatsoever.

            Hell, even when the Kelvin universe was established, there were people who actually wanted the subsequent movies to be rehashed versions of episodes from the TOS TV series. Personally speaking, “Into Rehash” showed just how terrible such a product would turn out. Of course, people don’t have to share my opinion (obligatory disclaimer) and I certainly do respect peoples’ choice to enjoy and even love Into Darkness. It’s just too bad you don’t see a lot of that in places like this, where people with toss out the “true fan” BS to invalidate any arguments contrary to their own.

            But, yeah, Discovery should just divorce itself from Trek as we know it if they want to just change things for the sake of change. I certainly wouldn’t hate it for doing so, in fact I would probably enjoy it a whole lot more. It’s weird, really, as people tend to rave about the Battlestar Galactica reboot, which is its own beast which is similar yet separate and distinct from the original, yet it appears to be a criminal offense by a vocal segment should it even be considered for Star Trek.

            Yes, I will watch Discovery and yes, I anticipate I will enjoy it. No, I am not going to like everything about it and no, it does not make me a “hater” if I voice my criticisms. I know all of this doesn’t reflect your post but there are so many people in these comment sections who seem to have the narrow view of “any scrap of criticism = hater” or the reverse. For Star Trek fans, it’s baffling that there’s so much intolerance towards other fans.

          • TIG1701

            I think sadly just like Enterprise and the JJ verse movies a lot of fans will be saying this isn’t canon. I think the show looks good but when will these people learn? You can’t call something a ‘prequel’ but then change every damn thing about it and expect all the fans to get on board. They were idiots going down this route but I like how it looks at least. They obviously put a lot of thought into it and where its all going. But they basically sabotage themselves by changing it so much from Kirk’s old show they will lose just as many fans as they think they will get placing it in this era.

          • M33

            This is my concern as well.
            It is well-meaning, just as Enterprise was in trying to attract a different audience than its established fan base.
            However, I think what drove down rating big time for Enterprise were the mostly bland stories that tried to be Voyagerish, while at the same time changing everything that had been generally established.
            By the time they were willing to take story risks in season 3, it was too late, and that season polarized fans even more. By the time season 4 rolled around and the show finally delivered on its promise, most people had lost interest.
            The stark change in designs and other numerous self-created canon-conflicts really didn’t help Enterprise’s position either.

            What Discovery (hopefully) has going for it is quality writing (which remains to be seen). If they can overcome that hurdle, then it may have a good shot at a run, and most fans concered about the stretching of visual and design canon may be tolerant or forgiving of it.
            If they botch up the story, the visual canon will become an even more glaring fault in the show.

            This is such a knife’s edge they are walking on.
            I agree with Snap and others that it would have been so much easier to get all the fans on board if they had made this show take place in a parallel Prime timeline that allowed them to take the show wherever they wanted.
            Man, I hope it will be good.

          • TIG1701

            All good points. We can only hope they learn their lesson from Enterprise at least and make a bold story out of the gate which looks like they will do. But yeah I don’t know why they were so determined to put this in the prime timeline during TOS but then change everything around? Like you said fans would probably accept it more if they were told from the beginning its a reboot and they are starting from scratch. Just think its another universe and be done.

            The same issues I had with Enterprise is the exact same issues I have with this so far. But the fact it looks and feels different than the other stuff does interest me, but they should’ve put it in a different period or universe. If they are going this bold, be bolder and do something on your own like TNG did. Don’t use TOS as a crutch for 60 year old fanboys, especially when most of them will probably rejected because it looks nothing like TOS in any shape or form.

          • Morgan Smith

            Yeah, but Takei also objected to making Sulu (Kelvin Timeline) gay because he acted, and Roddenberry wrote, Sulu as straight. While that is a justified opinion for the original actor to have, that doesn’t make such a big change ridiculous on its face.

            Roddenberry also made changes, tried to enforce things, or prevent things in TNG that weren’t well thought-out or reasonable. I guess what I am saying is that just because the creators/original actors/etc. didn’t think it was a good idea, doesn’t mean that it can’t be done well. As you say, we should all keep an open mind.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            What’s wrong with him having a half brother? How is what Discovery doing any worse?

        • Dan King

          I blame Shatner for that disaster that is V. Sybok was equally offensive to me as this show

          • prometheus59650

            Irrelevant to the point.

          • Dan King

            Incorrect. The dislike we all feel about Sybok is exactly how I feel about STD. That same “this is not Star Trek” feeling we all got from Shatners stupid movie is the same thing I feel for discovery. It’s fake Trek

          • prometheus59650

            It is correct. It doesn’t matter if you dislike him because that wasn’t your point. You didn’t mention whether you liked him or not.

            Spock never even hinted at this at all. It’s BS.

            No one ever hinted at Sybok either. Sybok existed and is canon whether anyone mentioned him before TFF or not

          • Dan King

            Roddenberry did not consider Sybok canon. That’s enough for me

          • prometheus59650

            Roddenberry wanted Spock to shoot Kennedy.

            That’s enough for me.

          • Snap

            From what I have read, Star Trek V has actually been described as being to the movies what a cheesy episode of TOS was to the series. Discovery IS “Star Trek,” you don’t have to like it but it is every much “Star Trek” as any of the other entries into the franchise.

          • M33

            Roddenberry considered V apocryphal.
            I always considered it to be just a dream that Kirk had at Yosemite, considering those are the bookends of the movie.
            No other way to explain the sheer illogic of the story.
            How the hell did they get to the center of the galaxy in such a short time?? They couldn’t have!

          • Snap

            V certainly has a ludicrous story and is played largely for slaptick (paraphrasing from memory) “Hold your horse, Captain” and “Must me all those marshmellons” as well as Scotty hitting his head on a support after muttering that he knows the ship “like the back of [his] hand.”

            Unfortunately not all of the entries are going to be classics, but the same is true for the episodes of the series. What we essentially have is the “Spock’s Brain” of the film series.

            The dream at Yosemite theory would be a plausible idea, except we actually see Sybok before we see the crew at Yosemite.

          • M33

            Yeah, I know I am grabbing at straws with V, but it’s the best I could come up with…
            Maybe the opening scene with Sybok and Nimbus III was a dream of Kirk’s as he was climbing the mountain.

            …Ok. That’s works for me. LOL

          • Pedro Ferreira

            The fifth movie is totally underrated.

  • Dan King

    Of course Lorca is “fucked up” as the actor says. He will become Garth of Izar

  • Dan King

    STOP WITH THE DIVERSITY STUFF. We get it, the show is diverse. Star Trek has always been diverse. We love diversity. This obsession with her saying this and pushing it is really really strange.

    • Barak Aslani

      It’s a tactic. Distraction. If I can make everyone look over here, at this noble issue, and all nod their heads in agreement – then they’re ‘on side’ and won’t criticise a reductive, contrived, convoluted show.

      Every Trek fan I have met has been forward-thinking and progressive. My favourite series is DS9, my favorite captain Sisko and I am a Middle Easter gay male in his thirties. Why do Trek fans need to be preached to about diversity? We don’t. But if they can shame us into shutting up… we’ll also be careful not criticise a show which makes ZERO sense. It’s not Star Trek. Seth McFarlen’s Orville series has excited me more.

      • Dan King

        Orville does look exciting as hell

        • Aaron Matthew

          If you like that sort of juvenile humor, sure. But hey, I will try the show out before making my final judgement.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle
      • Aaron Matthew

        I believe you are seeing conspiracy where none exists.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        “Seth McFarlen’s Orville series has excited me more.” At least there’s actual light in the show!

    • DC Forever

      Love the diversity stuff — keep it up DSC !!!

  • Barak Aslani

    Am I the only Trek fan who feels a bit patronised by her comments? Every Trek fan I have met has been forward-thinking and progressive. My favourite series is DS9, my favorite captain Sisko and I am a Middle Eastern gay male in his thirties. I was elated we had another black lead, and two female leads at that. Why do Trek fans need to be preached to about diversity? We don’t. But I feel it’s a distractiom tactic. If they can shame us into shutting up… we’ll also be careful not criticise a show which makes ZERO sense. It’s not Star Trek. Seth McFarlen’s Orville series has excited me more. The trailers have invested me with little optimism. Another dark and jaded scifi series like Battlestar. How dare it carry the Trek name.

    • Dan King

      I agree absolutely

    • ButtonShoes

      They’re being deliberately patronizing to shut down all debate about what they’ve done to Star Trek. Because if Trekkies as a whole had to spend a good few minutes thinking about what they did in ST:D, they’d realize the hatchet job it is.

      • TIG1701

        It could be a hachet job but we should at least wait until we see the first episode to determine that. Believe me I’m no fan of Kurtzman and the shitty JJ films. I laughed when Kurtzman claimed they were trying to keep it as much as canon as possible. Really? The same guy who delivered a white Khan in STID and thought no one would notice?

        That said, I give everything a shot first. If its shit, I will be coming down hard but so far it seems interesting at least. I like they are trying to do something a little different. Maybe not like DS9 different but different. Maybe it will work out.

        • ButtonShoes

          I mean, I’ll watch the first episode. But these trailers don’t give me a lot of faith that they know what they’re doing. In fact I’m sure they don’t. Anything Alex Kurtzman is involved in is doomed to fail. That man is poison to genre television/movies. He and his buddy Rob Orci ruin everything they touch.

          • Transformers: Prime was pretty good– one of the best continuities the series has ever had, IMO.

          • TIG1701

            Yeah thats cool. I get you. If the trailers aren’t winning you over then thats fair. Thats the point of a trailer. And I also get you are not hot on Orci/Kurtzman. Yeah…get in line. Funny thing is I don’t really hate their other stuff but the Trek stuff was just bad too me. Beyond wasn’t great either but it was at least an improvement of the other two films. Too bad everyone has stopped caring about them.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      No, you have Button Shoes, Dan King and Karl to keep you company. It’s like Entourage, but no one is cool nor or others paying attention…bad’a’bing! (just kidding…lol)

      • Dan King

        Stop with the personal attacks or I will start reporting you.

    • DC Forever

      No, out of all of us here, there are 4 to 5 others who feel the same way.

  • Dan King

    These people reek of being told and coached what to say to appease the fans when in reality they know nothing about the history of Star Trek.

    • M33

      To be fair, its their job to appease the fans.

      Its a paying gig.

      • Dan King

        It’s transparent and comes off as fake and insulting. Stop pretending you know anything about the history and legacy of Star Trek and admit you are in it for the money and job.

        • M33

          LOL
          Oh man… if Hollywood could be that honest, they’d be out of a job!

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          “Anthony Rapp admitted that he was weeping backstage when the new trailer was shown. He can’t wait for the world to see all the work they’re doing.”

          Yea, that certainly sounds like a person who is in this just for the money.

          (sarcasm)

          • Dan King

            Well we all know about Anthony Rapp. He is known to be a very emotional and soft guy. Nothing wrong with that. It if the money was not good he would have taken another gig.

          • DC Forever

            Please elaborate on what exactly you mean regarding Anthony being an emotional and soft guy?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            code wording?

    • Morgan Smith

      I am sure some of the writers are there because it is a job but even then they are likely writers of science fiction or similar who understand this kind of writing and its intended audience (the fanbase), and I am sure most of the cast aren’t Star Trek fans (it’s just not very likely), but to me the show runners/head writers do seem to genuinely care and know about what they are creating (the cast seems to care too!). I can’t imagine them locking themselves into years upon years of writing and developing something they don’t care about.

      I get it, you have your own bias about the show, and anything you disagree with is a platform you can use to decry the show, but I think it is pretty harsh to claim that these people you have never met are cynical and uninformed liars.

      • Dan King

        They should only hire actors who pass a very detailed test on Star Trek lore. Hiring clueless actors just looking for another gig is stupid. This is not any ordinary gig. This is Star Trek, the king of intellectual sci-fi. It MEANS something, and has a purpose. It has inspired and launched the careers of countless engineers and scientists. I have never heard of anyone getting inspired by Star Wars, because it has a overall negative war vibe.

        These people are not merely working on a “show” Star Trek in my opinion is a NATIONAL TREASURE and should be treated as so.

        • James

          Patrick Stewart certainly would not have passed the test. Neither would Nick Meyer. It’s great to hear your passion, but for most of the Trek actors, it’s just a paying gig. Shatner says he hasn’t even watched some of TOS!

          • Aaron Matthew

            Thank you James.

        • Morgan Smith

          This has to be trolling. The actors should be hired based on the best performances, fit for the role, charisma, and interest, not some arbitrary knowledge test.

          • DC Forever

            Agreed!

          • Dan King

            Police, firefighters, etc should be hired on their abilities, not because the departments are lacking diversity. That’s how people get killed.

          • Morgan Smith

            But actors should be hired on knowledge of the fictional universe they will be playing in? So the Okudas should be the go-to actors for any prime roles?

        • M33

          No actor could pass that test.
          First off, they are ACTORS.
          I expect nothing of them except to play the part they have been paid for and do it well.
          They are a tool for the producers and directors to make their art and tell their story, that’s it.
          Whether they like, know, or care about what they are working on is only bonus, but in the end, this is all just a gig that makes people money.
          That’s it.

  • Dan King

    Is Doug Jones ill?

  • Dan King

    Star Trek has had a relatively consistent look for about, say, 45 years (5 of those years were “Enterprise”, and we know the arguments about how aspects looked more modern than the 60’s on that show; I’d contend that they’re not as bad as this). So consistent in fact, that when depicting different time periods, the shows pulled prop stock and costumes from those other series and movies to be able to make everything in keeping with their depicted styles.

    Case in point, there’s numerous examples of this: When DS9 did their 30 year tribute to TOS (“Trials & Tribbleations”), they wore the original style uniforms and tech, as well as even spent large sums of cash to CGI the actors into old TOS footage. In Enterprise, when the Defiant comes through a rift to the mirror universe, all of the Sets were the same as in the 60’s and Archer even wore a CANONICALLY correct Captain’s Wrap (complete with alternate ship insignia; Kudos to Bob Blackman for making sure that wasn’t omitted). In Voyager, during the episode “Flashback”, the Excelsior bridge and sets for the vessel were painstakingly recreated to place those Voyager characters during the proper timeline period of Star Trek VI. And this is just to name a few that stick out in my head.

    Now, those acts on behalf of the various series, depicted a sense of continuity for not only the fans, but those who were just tuning in (“Why is Archer wearing that leisure suit? Oh I have to watch TOS? OH! That makes sense now!”), and make the universe more realistic. That there is a sense of not only history, but respect that the work of those that came before, on previous iterations of the show, and contributed integrally to the shaping of this alternate future.

    I agree that people bitching about the gender/race diversity are very misguided people that probably don’t hold true to the ideals of Star Trek and what Roddenberry’s vision was. You have my support there, I have no problem with WHO is cast or WHAT race/gender/sexuality they are. But what I do have a problem with is the lack of respect for history. The absolute disregard for playing in someone else’s playground and not observing what has come before.

    So, with that, all of us fans who respect that, who understand that continuity, who like the Trek production design as it is ICONIC, just need to get over ourselves and stop being “whiny little bitches”? Excuse me? That is just unacceptable, and frankly to me, spits in the face of every single production designer who preceded this show to make the previous stories look accurate.

    Just think about it for a moment: “Game of Thrones” is coming out with Prequel series after the main show is done, what if the PD’s just decided to set it in a Western Motif with guns and train robberies? Would that sit well with the fans? Or if everyone started having Laser Swords and Mechanical Horses? Would that go over well? No. They’d have a fit that “it isn’t Westros!”, that integral pieces of production were retrofitted to look different or nonsensically pointless. Or what if Star Wars decided that instead of replicating the AMAZING production design from “Episode IV” for “Rogue One”, they just said “screw it there’s a new look for Episode VII, so we’ll just go with that”, even though the last minutes of that film dovetail with the first minutes of “A New Hope”? People wouldn’t have seen it (I mean the story isn’t that great, what really was amazing was that it looked like it could’ve taken place 5 minutes before the Original Trilogy), I guarantee it

    It is the acceptance that there is a history there. That there is a look and style that should be observed, and was worked on tirelessly for years by others who were working very hard to make their production look authentic to what had come before.

    But now, with the world so absolutely divisive (I don’t want to get into specifics, but I’m sure you all know what I mean), if you aren’t for doing something new, if you don’t accept the new and “updated” look, if you don’t want to throw away 50 YEARS of design history and the previous production reverence to that… you’re a whiny bitch of a fan that doesn’t deserve this new Star Trek. Because it’s ONLY about the story. Because it’s ONLY about how LUCKY we are to get a new Star Trek series at all.

    I mean, we all got fucking chastised by William Shatner because he said the look wasn’t important, it was the story. Well Shatner, I’m sure you’d have a problem had the PD’s come in during second season and gave you a Tye-Dyed costume and flowers to wear in your hair because hippies were “Tres Chic” in the late 60’s. You’d have busted your fucking corset.

    I’m sorry, but I’m not so quick to fob off history and re-write it because an equally divisive director and money grubbing franchise license holder swept in and rebooted everything to make it now look like an Apple Store from 2009. I mean, did anyone even ask the fan populace if they wanted a reboot vs. a continuation? I know I wasn’t asked. The reboots were foisted upon me, and though I disliked a number of things about the reboot series, it didn’t existentially bother me because I could say, “Hey, it’s a different universe, and they’re playing in it. Their rules”. It’s like getting upset if you have read Marvel comics for 20 years, then pick up a copy of Ultimate Marvel and then see what has changed about your iconic heroes. It may not be your cup of tea, but hey, it’s their own imprint and they can do retellings however they want.

    But now, they’re playing in the “Prime Universe”. They’re going into something already established, because they know that no one really holds interest in the continued adventures of the Big Screen Reboot made small, because they already have older Trek fans uninterested in the reboot movies. They hedged their bets to try and rope in as many old fans as they could, and make the most money. Then after they had those parts worked out, the PD’s went to work and now we have this.

    So don’t think it’s some bold new vision from people who are overt fans of Star Trek. I will capitulate that there are fans working on Trek. The Writers and the Previous Showrunner are two that come immediately to mind. But when the writers do their writing, they’re not in charge of (and I’m guessing much less, consulted on) visuals or uniforms, they just write Trek. The rest of the production is done by other people. So whereas I understand what big fans of Trek they are, don’t get me wrong here, I accept that and admit that (I mean David Mack and Kristin Beyer — these are people that should have been writing for TV Trek FOREVER AGO).

    But the look of the show, ostensibly the only thing thus far we can judge it upon, is not in keeping with what we know and like….

    And that bothers me.

    And the fact that we’re being chastised and shunned for it just sits wrong with me, too. I’m not waving a walker and saying to get off my lawn. I’m saying that if you have no respect for history, no reverence for the “look”, you don’t deserve to play in it, because you dismiss what has come before, and those who put their best work into building a universe.

    Please don’t dismiss us who dislike the look. We don’t just fear change: we may have reasons why we’re unnerved by the new look, because to us it feels like it erodes the foundation of something we hold dear.

    • Morgan Smith

      I don’t agree with posters who stoop to name calling or telling others to get out of here or whatever.

      However, I don’t think most people are shunning others just because they hold a different opinion (a few misguided souls probably are). From my perspective, I think the things I disagree with is not the difference of opinion (that these design changes are bad), but that these opinions are stated thusly: things that a fan doesn’t like are 1) automatically terrible/horrible/the worst ever in Trek, 2) spell certain doom for this series or Trek in general, and 3) are proof positive that the show runners don’t care/hate Star Trek or disrespect that work of others who came before them. The way the opinions are expressed is what I, and I suspect others, are really reacting to.

      In the same way you might say that these design changes disrespect Trek as it has been, we see statements that Discovery is destroying Trek as really the thing disrespecting Trek. In my view, respecting characters, respecting the written/spoken history, respecting the themes and messages of Trek is what counts, not “does this display panel resemble closely enough that of TOS?” or “does this Klingon make-up look enough like previous make-ups?”

      • Pedro Ferreira

        I mean I have valid reasons to dislike the new series but yeah some users here who I wish not to name love to force the Kool-Aid down people’s throats.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      “I mean, we all got fucking chastised by William Shatner because he said the look wasn’t important, it was the story. Well Shatner, I’m sure you’d have a problem had the PD’s come in during second season and gave you a Tye-Dyed costume and flowers to wear in your hair because hippies were “Tres Chic” in the late 60’s. You’d have busted your fucking corset.”

      IS THIS SORT OF POSTING REALLY NECESSARY ???

      • Dan King

        Yes, I posted that from my heart. People kept telling me my posts were “spam” and “useles” so I decided to put my full effort into describing what issues I have with Discovery.

    • LeVar Lopez

      You cherrypicked examples to make your case, overlooking the countless examples of visual inconsistencies in Star Trek. It’s funny to see a fan citing the show Enterprise for reverent consistency, as when that showed aired, the common fan critique was that it demonstrated contempt for canon – both visually and narratively. And go from 1967 to 1979 to 1984 to 1989 to 1991 and you will see Klingons that look different in each incarnation. The Starfleet of The Motion Picture only bears a slight resemblance to that of the original series; and from The Motion Picture to Wrath of Khan, Starfleet went from explorers in leisurewear to a militarized space navy- “company, dismissed!” But ultimately, it’s a laughable notion to expect an ongoing big-budget ‘TV’ show to look like 1966 or 1956, in the year 2017 – it makes no financial sense. If Bryan Fuller (who is a smart guy) and the showrunners he hired, have come up with a compelling premise set in the pre-Kirk era, then it will be well worth the fact they neglected to make the show look like the bloody Eisenhower era.

      • M33

        In TMP, however, they did explain why everything looked different, multiple times. Scotty explained there was a long time redesigning and refitting the Enterprise, which explained why what we saw in the original show now looked different.
        McCoy commented on it a couple times as well, so there is existing precedent to include story reasons why things look different, and Gene was a key figure in that production.
        As far as Klingons go, yeah, they wanted to change them, and did with no explanation. Would they have given explanation in the future for the change, if say, a second Kirk series has started instead of the movies? We don’t know. What we do know is the Prime timeline HAS established a story reason for the change, and if the writers/producers of DSC are genuine about setting the series in the Prime timeline, then they have to adhere to the established story canon of the differences in Klingons, too. They can make new ones, sure, but they don’t get the freedom to jettison which story is canon and which is not in the Prime timeline and still call it Prime if they don’t adhere. Everyone agrees the story canon is canon.

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      • mr joyce

        he even upvoted himself too, lol

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      “I mean, we all got fucking chastised by William Shatner because he said the look wasn’t important, it was the story. Well Shatner, I’m sure you’d have a problem had the PD’s come in during second season and gave you a Tye-Dyed costume and flowers to wear in your hair because hippies were “Tres Chic” in the late 60’s. You’d have busted your fucking corset.”

      I still don’t think this is appropriate. I mean nothing personal by stating this — my opinion.

      • Dan King

        And why is that?

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          It’s a very personal slam on Shatner, with F-bombs thrown in to boot. In MY OPINION that’s offensive, and we have teens and maybe kids on this site as well who don’t need to see that nasty vitriol…MY OPINION

  • TIG1701

    It looks cool but it was dumb to put this in the TOS era. Its just so distracting. And Sarek adopted a human girl? Spock has a sister? I’m sure when Picard mind meld with that dude he went ‘woah’.

    It looks good though. Thank god it doesn’t look or feel like a cheap 60s TV show. I like the effects and it could be as good as TNG and DS9. Here’s hoping.

    • Morgan Smith

      Well Picard did refer to the marriage of Sarek’s son (not specifically saying Spock). Maybe he didn’t actually see the ceremony, but read the invitation where it said “the wedding of Michael Burnham (of Sarek of Vulcan) and …” and thought it was Sarek’s “son”… 😉

      Also, for having married two Earth women, I wouldn’t think Picard would think it strange at all that Sarek might have an adopted human daughter. For all we know, he could have had others, maybe Amanda or Perrin had kids from previous relationships?

      • TIG1701

        Yeah that would be a cool retcon. It would be a nice tie in for sure.

        And yeah those Spock boys sure love their Earth women. But I ain’t judging or anything,. 😉

    • Aaron Matthew

      Yeah, making a show with that 60’s aesthetic would be viewed as gimmicky and laughed off screens.

    • I’m sure when Picard mind meld with that dude he went ‘woah’.
      Considering she has an interesting enough life to be the main character of a TV show, I’m sure Burnham’s existence will be something that would have been well-known to Picard.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      The effects are nowhere near as good as TNG or DS9.

      • TIG1701

        I have to disagree and I thought the effects for all the shows minus TOS was amazing. I think Discovery looks cinematic and but its cool if you feel differently.

  • Dan King

    I just figured it out. Sarek will be revealed to be working for section 31. Discovery is the prototype of transwarp drive.

    • prometheus59650

      Spamming.

      The board.

      • Dan King

        The point?

        • prometheus59650

          That you can add to posts already made should you discover you’ve posted an incomplete thought rather than shove every one else down so your posts remain on top.

          • DC Forever

            Who knew? (Lol)

          • prometheus59650

            Everyone? 🙂

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        LOL Yep!

  • BatesHotel

    I’ll certainly give it a shot for a year. I’m not happy with every decision they’ve made, such as giving Spock a human sister, but if they can tell great stories that feel Trek then I’ll be happy to watch, and maybe love it if it’s great like TNG (which is pinnacle Trek IMO). Give the show a chance.

    • FightingMongooses

      Yeah, I don’t buy that. Spock having a half-brother we never heard about was a stretch in 1989. Also having a sister is just ridiculous.

      • BatesHotel

        Yeah, Spock is sprouting siblings all over the galaxy. Sigh…

        • FightingMongooses

          Can’t wait for the next prequel series set 5 days before Where No Man Has Gone Before which unveils Spock’s wife (Number One perhaps?) and a batch of kids. XD

    • Pedro Ferreira

      We just never heard about her before right? She obviously lived with Sybok. Ha, ha!

  • TheRenegadeRebel .

    Holy crap people! Damn. Why don’t we wait until the show actually comes out before passing judgement. I certainly can’t speak for anyone else, but as a life-long Trekker the 13 year gap since Enterprise has been very hard. I am so happy Trek is coming back and in the same continuity as the first five shows. I will wait and watch. Trek deserves the benefit of the doubt and I personally don’t have much doubt. So, as with any show, I will watch the full season and judge the final product. Any judgement before that time is premature. Until you’ve seen something you cannot form an opinion. I never thought I’d live to see the day a new Trek series wasn’t even given a chance by the fandom. We should all go in with open minds. This franchise deserves at least that.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      Actually, if you look at the posts for this article, it’s really only a handful of people posting multiple times. Dan King, for instance has posted about 30 times today with various negative posts.

      PS: I am just stating a fact here, so I would hope that Trekcore staff will not delted this comment of mine?

      • Dan King

        There is nothing wrong with posting that many times. Each post is unique and expresses a different concern about the show. This entire section is designed for commenting. Why are you complaining that people are using it?

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Wasn’t talking to you.

          • Dan King

            Seems like you were. You seem to be itching for personal fighting.

            BTW, seems I was correct that Michael fights the Klingon on the hull of the ship. 😉

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            BTW, your “mid-August trailer” hit in July.

          • Dan King

            There is going to be a mid-aug trailer still.

          • DC Forever

            Incorrect. Your original prediction a few weeks back just said mid-August for the next trailer.

            Now you are claiming there may still be one in mid-August. And that’s not that impressive of a guess anyway given that is the Vegas Trek event.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Correct!

      • Pedro Ferreira

        To be fair you’ve been posting just as much here and while it’s mostly been positive towards he new show you have been arguing with anybody who disagrees with your opinions. I’m just pointing out how the other side sees it, I hope you don’t take offence.

    • Pedro Ferreira

      It took Q seven years to clear Picard and humanity, just saying…

  • David Dennis

    Just wonderful. Beautiful and exciting. Almost exactly 2 months…….

  • Fiery Little One

    They have me through the first season, at least, with that trailer.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle

    Seeing this trailer and the ComiCon panel has relieved any remaining concerns I had about this show. This is going to be a re-imagined Trek for more sophisticated TV audiences, and I predict that this going to massively expand the fanbase worldwide.

    We may lose 25% of hardcore Trek fans with this re–imagining — the people who can’t handle this needed change. But this is going to be much bigger than any Trek iteration to date…this is going to blow up and be a worldwide TV hit!

    • Dan King

      90% of statistics are made up on the spot 75% of the time.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        You’ve posted about 30 times today about how bad this show supposedly is. I think we get your opinion now.

        You would be well advised to remember the lesson of “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”.

        • Dan King

          Each post is unique. What’s wrong with the post count? I am a far more passionate fan than most.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Congrats!

          • Dan King

            For what?

      • DC Forever

        And your Trek Bbs fan poll results where you first claimed that fans there were voting the series down (then followed by your lame excuse that is was a secret inner group fan poll that is not publicly posted) is an outstanding example of this!

        • mr joyce

          he also regularly upvotes his own comments, lol

    • Dan King

      I love how you just throw all the hardcore fans under the bus, the fans who got Star Trek this far at all, just for this steaming POS show. And it’s incredibly insulting to suggest that fans of every show before this were no sophisticated.

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        You just keep sitting there with your rapid fire negative posts.

        Quantity over substance.

        • Dan King

          I think each post is quality. I put effort into each one. None are spam.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “Problem is Mass Effect was far superior to STD”

            You have written this in in past tense like you have already seen an episode of DSC. That is intellectually weak and silly. No substance here.

          • DC Forever

            Yea, that comment is 100% spam/trolling.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            “No substance in that remark.” Yeah but so is saying Star Trek fans didn’t have sophisticated Star Trek before.

      • DC Forever

        Dan, major changes are needed and are inevitable to modernize Star Trek from a B franchise with an aging fan base to an A franchise with a growing fanbase. That’s just the reality of things.

        • Pedro Ferreira

          Star Trek was never a B franchise.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        I have no idea what he’s going on about here. Star Trek in the late 80s and 90s was pretty sophisticated.

    • James

      The new trailer and details have me excited. I’m one of those unsure about STD, but the comments coming from the cast and crew are mollifying some of my concerns. I love how they’re keeping the look consistent with the Kelvin timeline. Also, the Discovery looks awesome in flight!

      • Dan King

        “I love how they’re keeping the look consistent with the Kelvin timeline”

        Stop trying to troll ok?

        • James

          I like the Kelvin movies, and in my opinion, this trailer has a similar design ethic. Unsurprising really, as STD employs many of the same artists and designers.

          Sorry if you thought I was trolling. Just expressed my opinion, the same as you’ve done in numerous posts!

          • DC Forever

            You are entitled to your opinion; no need to explain yourself when some attempts to bully you.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            It’s supposed to be set in the Prime Universe mate.

        • DC Forever

          Pot calling the kettle black.

    • DC Forever

      I’m sensing a mega-hit as well. This looks huge in scope and cinematic.

      • Pedro Ferreira

        Like the reboot movies right?

    • Pedro Ferreira

      “more sophisticated TV audiences” WTF?! TV audiences back in the 90s weren’t sophisticated? I mean there’s opinions man but…but…WTF?!

  • Dan King

    This is truly a sad and pathetic comment from Kurtzman

    Kurtzman continued to implore fans to stick with the series throughout its first year…

    Not good, does not give me confidence if he is begging fans to stay.

    • Aaron Matthew

      I believe that I have heard you repeat this bloody objection in one comment thread more than Kurtzman has said what your accusing him of the entire production period.

      • DC Forever

        He’s also leveled personal attacks on Kurtzman; called him a “basturd”

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  • Dan King

    Doug Jones either has a very unique look, or is suffering from stage 4 cancer. He is a really creepy looking person.

  • Dan King

    The show is not even on and Kurtzman is already begging fans to watch the entire season.

    What a terrible lack of confidence in his project. When this show fails, it will be Moonves fault for taking away tots creative control from Fuller who had a vision for the entire show. Now we have a bastardized version of that vision that has been butcher by hack non-canon book writers.
    Wonderful.

  • Dan King

    Don’t forget the first reveal trailer. Everyone was complaining about the quality, but saw right past the fact the ship was not constructed above earth at the fleet yards, but deep inside a large asteroid in secret.

    Hmmm, wonder why? Why would starfleet need to do that? Hmmm..

    Then remember the fact that there was the cloaking device sound at the end of the clip, strongly suggesting that Discovery is equipped with a cloaking device.

    The ship is obviously not regular Starfleet. I will go as far to say the ship IS designed for subterfuge and stealth. I don’t think it’s a warship. I think it’s a dagger that sneaks up on you and stabs you in the back. Who works like that in the Federation?

    Yes, section 31.

    I think the ship is section 31, or pretending to be Starfleet in the open but section 31 is in control. At the least, Lorca would be working for them. Why else would he say in the latest trailer that “you ( to Michael who is Starfleet ) started this war, now I have to end it )

    Who else works behind the scene off record doing things Starfleet can’t do?

    Yes, section 31.

    Fuller went on record saying he LOVED section 31 in DS9 and wanted to explore it more.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      That Section 31 story theory was what that Michael dude kept saying months back.

    • TIG1701

      I would be cool if it was a Section 31 ship but I don’t know how they can base an entire series around them. A few episodes or a movie like STID is one thing but a show that could go for years I think it might feel too much like spy missions and not actual exploration.

      But I’m willing to see what they do with them if they are Section 31.

      • Your Worst Nightmare

        I’m really not convinced it’s Section 31. It could be. But just because it’s laughed from an asteroid doesn’t make it so. I think Discovery is a testbed ship for Starfleet R&D. They’re doing top secret projects. Doesn’t mean it HAS to be 31.

        • “Discovery” would be a weird name for a warship, for that matter. It sounds much more like a scientific or exploratory vessel.

          • Pedro Ferreira

            Let’s see how much exploration they actually do.

          • TIG1701

            True. We know Section 31 like to name their ships bad ass obvious names like ‘U.S.S. Vengeance.’ In case we didn’t get the point I guess.

            I hope to god the JJ movies are done.

  • startrekker1701

    Looking very polished – has a feature film look about it!

    What is with that first ship’s purple deflector though?! Stopping messing with the basics.

  • Perplexum

    The trailer does little for me, just like the first one. And like the JJ films, you can’t make out what’s going on on screen during the space/ship scenes. I like that there is a USS Europa though.

    • James

      Trailers often use fast cuts just to give you a glimpse of what’s going on.

    • FightingMongooses

      “I like that there is a USS Europa though.” Maybe not for long though…

    • Pedro Ferreira

      Yep, they totally missed the point. Sometimes less is more.

  • Jaro Stun

    wow. this actually looked so good. i truly hope it also IS so good.
    btw *TRAILER* geo blocking – WTF is wrong with them. ican do anything but laugh in frustration about that

    • James

      Visit Trekmovie.com or just search YouTube

      • Jaro Stun

        well i already helped myself 😉
        thats why its mroe funny than anything

        anyway thanks 🙂

  • Jaro Stun

    hmm…based on the different hairstyles of Sonequa M-G, i’ve got a gut feeling that there will be a time difference between the Shenzhou events and the Discovery events. Looks to me almost like Shenzhou messed up something which Discovery is to fix

    …aaand what is that ship ramming klingons? does not look like Shenzhou..?

  • James

    Love the TMP style warp effect. The Discovery looks great in flight.

  • DC Forever

    Regarding the negativity in some posts here:

    Never before have so few said so much.

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  • Thomas W.

    Darkness, destruction. Darkness, battles. Darkness, war. Darkness,
    action. What happened to Star Trek? Looks to me like ENT 2.0 with a
    little bit of “Fire Fly”. It is not believable that this takes place a
    few years before TOS. The NCC1701 and the other Constitution class
    ships are already in service in this period. Prequels suck.

  • Pedro Ferreira

    Well that was…erm…interesting… Oh boy, why does everything on the ships look so dark? I mean they have endless lens flare but what about light? I think they did a great job of doing a sequel to the Abrams movies but as a Star Trek show set in the Prime Universe no I don’t see it.

  • dixonium

    Star Trek Discovery looks like a million bucks! I can’t wait to see the first episode.

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  • Jaro Stun

    one thing that does this trailer a terrible disservice is the song used in it.
    try to watch the trailer to this score: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrnR5zAJC_g

    and you might experience a completely different feeling out of it.