Great news for all Star Trek: Discovery fans —  the freshman series has been renewed officially today by CBS for a second season, confirming a long-expected extension of the newest member of the Star Trek franchise.

CBS made the announcement this morning:

CBS ALL ACCESS RENEWS “STAR TREK: DISCOVERY” FOR SECOND SEASON

NEW YORK – Oct. 23, 2017 – CBS All Accessthe CBS Television Network’s digital subscription video on-demand and live streaming service, announced today the second season renewal of its hit original series STAR TREK: DISCOVERY.

In just six episodes, STAR TREK: DISCOVERY has driven subscriber growth, critical acclaim and huge global fan interest for the first premium version of this great franchise,” said Marc DeBevoise, President and Chief Operating Officer, CBS Interactive. “This series has a remarkable creative team and cast who have demonstrated their ability to carry on the ‘Star Trek’ legacy. We are extremely proud of what they’ve accomplished and are thrilled to be bringing fans a second season of this tremendous series.”

The launch of STAR TREK: DISCOVERY on CBS All Access broke a new record for subscriber sign-ups in a single day, week and month for the service.

The first six episodes of STAR TREK: DISCOVERY are currently available to stream on CBS All Access. All new episodes are available on demand weekly after 8:30 PM, ET on Sundays exclusively for CBS All Accesssubscribers in the U.S. As previously announced, STAR TREK: DISCOVERY will air in two chapters. The final episode of chapter one will debut on Sunday, Nov. 12, and the second chapter, featuring the remaining six episodes, will return in January 2018.

STAR TREK: DISCOVERY follows the voyages of Starfleet on their missions to discover new worlds and new life forms, and one Starfleet officer who must learn that to truly understand all things alien, you must first understand yourself. The series will feature a new ship and new characters, while embracing the same ideology and hope for the future that inspired a generation of dreamers and doers.

STAR TREK: DISCOVERY’s cast includes Sonequa Martin-Green, Doug Jones, Jason Isaacs, Anthony Rapp, Michelle Yeoh, Shazad Latif, Mary Wiseman, Mary Chieffo, James Frain and more.

STAR TREK: DISCOVERY is produced by CBS Television Studios in association with Secret Hideout, Living Dead Guy Productions and Roddenberry Entertainment. Alex Kurtzman, Bryan Fuller, Heather Kadin, Gretchen J. Berg & Aaron Harberts, Akiva Goldsman, Rod Roddenberry and Trevor Roth serve as executive producers.

While it’s certainly too early for a timeline for Season 2’s arrival, comments from series producer Alex Kurzman earlier this year hinted toward a likely 2019 arrival.

Stay tuned for more Star Trek: Discovery news now – and for some time – here at TrekCore!

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  • prometheus59650

    Oh, Tom Cruise….are you okay???

    We’re here for you, man. 🙂

    • GIBBS v2

      Lol!

    • AmiRami

      Huh? I thought Cruise was a Trek fan…

      • prometheus59650

        I dunno what ACTUAL Tom Cruise thinks of Trek, but I’m referencing “Tom Cruise Never Phones It In.”…a DSC-hating troll that posts here.

        • AmiRami

          OHHHHH! I so did not get that. lol

        • mr joyce

          havent seen him post recently.. thankfully we dont have to see the likes of him anymore.. no more one liners or poorly thought out arguments..

          • prometheus59650

            He dropped in to last night’s spoiler thread for “Lethe,” happy that the NYT apparently didn’t love the ep.

          • He posted in the EP6 thread.

        • AmiRami

          Oh, BTW, regarding the real Tom Cruise. I remember reading that he visited the set of Star Trek 2009 both because he is friends with JJ Abrams (Mission Impossible) and because he is a trek fan.

      • GIBBS v2

        Of his narrow and precise definition of what that might be, for sure.

    • Thomas Elkins

      Is it seriously appropriate that people on this forum are calling out other members and mocking them, even though they haven’t posted anything in this thread? This is a serious question for the moderators here.

      • Space Gaz

        Best not to say anything critical. This forum seems to be only for positive feedback. I find more balanced comment sections elsewhere.

        • mr joyce

          disagreed…i say say what you want, but say it in a way that is not antagonistic.. criticism can be put across in a thoughtful way too

          • Space Gaz

            I have tried to be positive about Discovery. I think this show has been very polarizing and has set itself apart from the other trek shows. I have put a few views forward and have almost immediately just been insulted personally. It’s either love it of f@#k off from my experience so far on this forum at least. I don’t see how saying you don’t like the tone or the language can be antagonistic to anyone, just simply the way I feel. As a life long fan I feel let down my this incarnation and the direction the show runners have taken the show. I don’t have any issue with anyone liking or loving it even but it’s not for me. I think all view points are valid in a polite conversation.

          • mr joyce

            thats a shame, i say keep coming back though.. it’d be boring if we all just agreed with each other. there is something that can be said for misunderstanding tone in online forums though, i say just ignore it if someone gets a bit ‘churlish’, no need for that, thats for sure

          • Space Gaz

            I guess not much point for me to express views on a show I no longer watch but I do hope for success for Trek as I know that even if I don’t like this version, another will be along that ticks all the right boxes for me soon enough. I do frequent the site for my latest trek news. Eagerly awaiting the new DS9 doco.

          • mr joyce

            yeh for sure, if you dont like it, i guess just ignore the comments sections, it’ll just annoy you.

            .. on the ds9 doc, i cant figure when it will be out, have they said when?

            also, what other sites do you see trek discussions on? im looking for a couple more

          • Space Gaz

            Not sure when the DS9 doco comes out but I am super keen for it. DS9 would be my favorite show if not for TOS. I have watched it a stupid amount of times.

            Most of the Trek discussions I look besides here are usually Youtube based but I do listen to many podcasts produced by the Trekmate family network.

          • mr joyce

            cool, ill check them out

            ever seen trekyards on youtube? theyre good sometimes

          • Space Gaz

            Will give it a look, cheers:)

          • prometheus59650

            February or March of ’18, I thought.

          • Christian Freitag

            Same here. That will be one of the last times I’ll post a reply for DST. I’m a fan for 30 years. Since DST is running you cannot post any valid criticism. First I really expected another Trek show like the movies since 09 said they would respect canon. They lied like Abrams lied about Khan or he won’t direct Star Wars. In fact he turned Trek into it. Like this team around Kurtzman lied … again. Really everything cries for reboot. If they want a reboot be my guest but don’t change everything and fake it as prime. Like Kurtzman did everytime he is involved. One wouldn’t know where to start. Yes, you get fan service by calling names but look at it. It never fits in this period. Erase the Delta and Star Trek and it is Game of Thrones in Space or another SF show. Furthermore you have to PROOF now that a green car is really green. Although everybody could see the changes in tech (D7 e.g.) and behaviour. Sometimes the change was for change’s sake where it wasn’t really needed. But the only answers are of personal nature. There is mocking in a childish was “ha, told you there will be a 2nd season” and “He has started”. Or It’ prime cause they said so’. There are four lights, aren’t there? Only loud positive praises are allowed here. And if you don’t then you have to go away. I think those fans try to keep it alive as long as possible. Look at Kelvin Trek. Critics weren’t allowed either. Now it’s dead and buried and nobody had everybody liked it. I don’t like the tone in this forum about “haters”, “whiners” and so on. “If you’re not for me you’re against me.” It’s really a shame they do think or act like that. I know discussions where other opinions around these themes could be discussed and i know those who see it otherwise will be happy to have one whiner less. But if I look at these “discussions” there will be everybody’s agreement that the newest episode is even better than the last one which was perfect. Have fun…. And live long and prosper.

          • Space Gaz

            Well said:)

        • JP

          Where? Would love to know.

          • Space Gaz

            Mostly Youtube comment sections.

      • prometheus59650

        He consistently and happily mocks others and usually does it with a lot less decorum than the above.

        So, what are you replying to me for? I stand by my comment. It was mostly tongue-in-cheek, but really, if anyone wants to try to call me out for THAT and then still allow TC to post at all……..

        • Thomas Elkins

          “He started it” is hardly a mature reaction. I get it, some people around here have been irrationally attacking anything Discovery related and I have seen moderators call people out when it came to personal attacks. However, he has said absolutely nothing in this particular thread and yet you have chosen to preemptively call him out and mock him for no reason. I find it hard to believe this is appropriate behavior.

          • prometheus59650

            You get back what you give. That’s karma.

            And really, when the man spends MONTHS going from, basically, ‘This show will never get made,’ to ‘It’s so bad it’s being scrapped’ to ‘It’ll never be renewed,’ he invited someone pointing out his wrongness.

            And a, “The show was renewed” thread is the place for it.

            Of course he’s not in this thread. Why do you think that is?

            He’s spent moths insulting people excited for this.

            Sometimes “He started it,” is perfectly applicable because the other guy literally started it.

          • Thomas Elkins

            “You get back what you give. That’s karma.”

            The problem with “an eye for an eye” is in the end, everyone ends up blind. I just hope you take that into consideration if or when a moderator chooses to discipline you both equally because you chose to stoop to his level, instead of being the bigger man.

          • prometheus59650

            Oh, the hyperbole.

      • GIBBS v2

        It is indeed a serious question for the moderators. While rare they have shown others the door in the past. There are those who rather than contribute to the conversation with honest opinion and those who just heckle and troll people consistently with negative comments.

  • GIBBS v2

    There was little doubt this would happen. Aside from a complete disaster an investment in a flagship franchise like this should yield a minimum of 2-3 seasons.

  • Starlight 4 Alicorn

    Yay!

  • Locutus

    Great news! Has anyone noticed that the opening credits include more producers than actors? The show must be setting some kind of dubious record there.

    • Darkthunder

      Not only that, it includes a list of producers… period. None of the previous Trek’s had the list of producers up front during it’s intro. It was always about the Actors, and finally “Created by Gene Roddenberry”. Seems they put more focus on the Producers than the people who actually made Trek (or in Gene’s case, the original creator).

      • Victorinox

        We’ve reached a point where people are complaining about names in the opening credits…. FFS… Wow…. just… Wow

        • Darkthunder

          Well, some people complained about the ships FONT for Star Trek (2009). So, there’s that.

          And actually, it’s quite disrespectful to Gene, not to have his name listed LAST in the credits, and instead a bunch of producers whom most have never heard of.

          • FrostUK

            I agree. Gene did so much work on Discovery in particular. People always forget that, and they only think he did TOS, TAS and the first few seasons of TNG.

          • Partha Mittra

            Thank you for the best laugh I have had today.

          • TUP

            And isnt “Roddenberry Entertainment” one of the first friggen things to appear on the screen?

          • Darkthunder

            Trying to be a smartass and failing at that as well.

            Gene created the entire franchise, and throughout it’s 50 year history, his name has always been listed LAST in the intro.

          • TUP

            So? Its not 50 years ago anymore.

          • TUP

            Oh Im sure its really bugging Gene…

          • Neill Stringer

            All the post TNG shows have had the Based Upon STAR TREK created by Gene Roddenberry credit on them. Yes they put it later than the other shows but at least he is credited, I would have been upset if he got no credit.

        • TUP

          The complainers have reached new lows

          • Thomas Elkins

            I don’t think I would call it a complaint, but it is an interesting observation. Have you heard of the phrase “too many Chief’s, not enough Indians”? That’s the feeling I get when watching Discovery. There are just too many executives interested in making this a success and each one has their own idea on how to do that. To me, this is why Discovery feels so off. In one episode we’ll get a fairly amazing shout out to the original series which feels pretty good and gives you hope for the show. In another episode we get a D7 battle cruiser that looks like a Dominion reject spray painted green.

            I can’t help but think it’s the fault of too many executives saying “we should do this and we should do that!” They should trim the fat, pick a vision/direction for this show and go for it, instead of several people trying to guide it all at once.

          • TUP

            You dont have a single clue of how many producer credits are for people actively involved in the day to day creative elements of the show. I dont care if they have 50 producers listed.

            We already know Fuller is gone. Roddenberry is likely more symbolic than actual. Kurtzman calls the shots from a business perspective and I doubt he’s being pushed around by anyone.

            You have production companies that get producer credits, guys from CBS get producer credits, probably someone specific to All Access, maybe someone from Netflix. It doesnt mean all these people are on set demanding changes. Its a way to get PAID.

            But the biggest proof of all that its not an issue is the fact the show is GOOD.

          • Thomas Elkins

            “But the biggest proof of all that its not an issue is the fact the show is GOOD.”

            Well, “good” is subjective. Discovery is only OK, IMO, but it needs work. Perhaps that’s why it’s not coming back until 2019.

          • TUP

            Im sure the network executives with producer credits are working over time to make sure its not as good as you hoped lol

            No confirmation its not coming back until 2019. And if so, that is not unusual anymore.

          • Thomas Elkins

            You know, I’m getting sick of your condescending attitude.

            “Im sure the network executives with producer credits are working over time to make sure its not as good as you hoped lol”

            At what point did I say they were purposely making the show bad or “not as good as I hoped”? I never said they were sabotaging the show, I just said it felt as if there were too many people trying to guide the show and it was, in my opinion, making the show feel disjointed. In one episode they will be incredibly faithful to the original series and in the next they will toss it in the garbage. I just think they need to figure out what it is they actually want from this show.

            I also never said I hated Discovery. Just because I’m not acting like a fanboy who absolutely loves every minute of every episode, it does not mean I am a hater. There are plenty of things about Discovery that are good, but there are things about it I don’t like and think are bad. I’m so sorry if my criticisms conflict with your opinion on the show’s overall quality, but my opinion is not any less valid than your own.

            I get it you like the show, but not everyone with specific criticisms is a hater.

          • TUP

            If you have specific criticisms that are rational and reasonable, by all means. Many of us discuss our differing opinions. It’s only a handful that cannot

            If you want to complain about how people are listed in the credits that is deserving of scorn.

          • Thomas Elkins

            “If you want to complain about how people are listed in the credits that is deserving of scorn.”

            And yet I specifically said it wasn’t a complaint. That didn’t stop you from lobbing me in with those that did complain. People around here have become so damn jumpy, that they will attack anyone for any kind of criticism regardless if it’s constructive or irrational. The rabid fanboyism around here is getting so out of hand that people are attacking other people even when they’re not posting anything. Honestly, the attacks on people with ANY criticism of the show is starting to get more annoying than those who irrationally hate on it.

          • TUP

            Meh resorting to the tried and true “fanboy” insults sort of paints yourself into a certain category.

            I don’t see why many of us can openly discuss, debate and even disagree without insults and actually enjoy the discussion but a few people seem to have perpetually twisted knickers.

            Oh well.

          • mr joyce

            he is right though, there are a bunch of guys/girls on here who do rabidly defend the show to the same level of irrationalityas people like pedro/tom cruise….etc criticise.. not saying thats you though, but im sure you get what i mean..

            on the producers thing, i noticed it too, that there seems to be a long list of them in the opening credits, i thought it strange, but thats it.. no big deal to me, and doesnt impact on the quality of the show, but it is a little ‘odd’

          • TUP

            It might have a lot of producers because of it changing “hands” from Fuller. And having guys like Kurtzman, they will always get a producer credit too. Rod got a producer credit also.

          • mr joyce

            i guess since its turning out to be good ( which i always hoped for ), theyd all want their names on it too

          • Thomas Elkins

            “Meh resorting to the tried and true “fanboy” insults sort of paints yourself into a certain category.”

            This was an observation, not an intended insult. The fact that people can’t actively critique the show without someone mocking them or belittling their opinion is evidence that this forum is beginning to succumb to a form of fanboyism.

            “I don’t see why many of us can openly discuss, debate and even disagree without insults and actually enjoy the discussion but a few people seem to have perpetually twisted knickers.”

            People on both sides do. This is why moderators have had to intervene and stop the personal attacks. Instead of just blocking the people who post one word insults or irrational hatred, people choose to fight them for some reason. It’s like if someone insults a show they like, they get their “knickers twisted” and fight back. That’s how fanboyism starts.

          • TUP

            Fanboys as a term only gets used as a criticism.

            People saying they love the show is wholly different from people saying they hate it. The lovers are happy people who are pleased to express the things they enjoy. The haters seemingly have little resonable reason for feeling that way and seem personally offended that the show exists.

            Not all of them but there are more haters trolling these forums than lovers. It defies reason for a lover to troll. We’d all love to be loved. The haters who spam with snark and sarcasm and irrational hate are doing it just to troll.

          • prometheus59650

            I, for one, don’t need “shout outs” to the original series.

            They owe me a good show, not Pavlovian rewards for having seen all the others already.

          • TUP

            The “Enterprise” shout out made sense since Michael’s brother is serving on that ship and in general the Enterprise would be one of the most respected ships (and postings) in Starfleet given its Captain.

          • prometheus59650

            Oh, if it fits, I’m fine, but I don’t need or want them to jerk a story around just to drop in “Khan Noonien Singh” or whatever else.

      • MattR

        I think it has something to do with union rules. The names that appear in the credits typically appear during the first act of the episode. They probably, by rules, have to appear before the end credits. By placing it in the opening credits, the actual episode itself isn’t cluttered by producers.

      • TUP

        “Discovery will never air…oh it did? Well, it wont be renewed…wait, it was?…well, it sucks…oh it’s actually good?…well, it violates canon…oh it doesnt?…well…hmmm…there are TOO MANY PRODUCERS!”

        hahaha

      • Matthew Burns

        Rubbish.

        The show has the all the credits in the intro, so that no credits clutter the actual episode!

      • Neill Stringer

        I feel the number of producers is adding to the “Too Many cooks..” aspect of the show, The show is getting better but we need a team that is all on the same page.

  • mr joyce

    where are all the trolls saying with SO much certainty that this would get cancelled in its first season? havent seen them much over the last few weeks

    • prometheus59650

      There was no way it wasn’t getting a second season. It would have had to completely implode before they took the embarrassment of killing it after 15 episodes.

      • AmiRami

        pretty much this. There was no way a show with “Star Trek” in the title would only get one season. The franchise prowess alone warrants a second season.

        • mr joyce

          which none of the haters were smart enough to recognise, and now they dont bother to come on here anymore lol.. i agree with you 100%

          • AmiRami

            I remember when Star Trek Enterprise was going to be cancelled after season 3. It got a complete order for season 4 just because it was “Star Trek”. Star Trek, more than any other franchise in history, owes its continued existence to its fans. OF COURSE DIS was going to get a season 2 LOL

          • Matthew Burns

            Enterprise had a far poorer first season, than what I have seen of Discovery so far.

          • AmiRami

            agreed

          • TUP

            Wasnt there a fan campaign to “save Enterprise” that helped convince CBS to give it another shot? Plus the rejigging of the show under Manny Coto…

          • AmiRami

            There def was.

          • Gary Smith

            Coming up next, season 3!

    • JP

      I thought it would until I realized the structure that they put in place to fund the show (see my comment above). It was really smart – it basically doesn’t matter how many people watch the show.

      • Partha Mittra

        @ JP :Actually your remark ‘it basically doesn’t matter how many people watch the show.’ seems to contradict your above comments. If I understand your last comment correctly you said that you should “But if you can glean how it’s doing internationally and what the likelihood is of the international streaming platforms continuing to funding it, you’ll get an idea about the health of the show”. If that is true then it does matter how many people watch the show, it just does not matter if it domestic US or international.

        • JP

          Not exactly. Services like Netflix buy & fund shows ALL THE TIME without a care as to the number of viewers. It gives them a full library to tout, the more content the better. Trek as a brand is attractive.

          So as long as Netflix (and others) feel like it is worth their while to have new Trek in their library and pay CBS for it, the show will survive. Netflix underwrites tons of shows that don’t have an audience, especially in the first season or two (in the chance they go viral a la Stranger Things).

          It’s a fascinating snapshot of the dynamics of the media industry in 2017/2018 when you think about it.

          • Partha Mittra

            @JP: I would agree with your argument until recently when Netflix cancelled a whole slew of critically acclaimed shows such as Sense8 because of low viewer numbers. That is Netflix is spending so much money on new original content that ROI has to be tied to numbers of viewers. So I think the ‘Fund anything and get attention’ model is now being tied to actual viewers, as Netflix recent show culling demonstrates, IMHO

          • JP

            Well, one point of clarity. It doesn’t matter how many people in the US watch it on All Access, if/until they get so many new viewers they would be willing to fund it themselves if need be.

            Internationally, viewership is certainly part of the reason why Netflix/etc would pay for the rights – but they take more factors into account than just viewership. Though ultimately, they need to be able to justify their investment and viewership is a big part of that.

            What this really means is that as long as the international market is viable (since that is how funding the show is set up today), CBS doesn’t need to worry about underwriting the show. Keep Netflix happy and Trek will stay.

            Another point to consider is the fact that it seems like a 1-year commitment. If viewership stays level or increases, expect this type of production value to continue. If viewership internationally declines, expect either lesser production value or CBS needing to invest to keep it at this (beautiful) level.

      • mr joyce

        youve watched it though right, and went in with an open mind?

        • JP

          Very much so. I don’t hate it… I started out really disliking it until I realized that it’ll never fit in the “previous” Trek universe – too many changes. Once you let go of that need and just enjoy it as a “reboot” (whether anybody calls it that or not) it can stand on its own merits.

          Aside from my own opinion, I think they missed the opportunity to rope in a general sci-fi watching audience with their rollout. Factually speaking I’m skeptical that much more than a subsection fo Trek fans are paying for it.

          But… that doesn’t matter, because how many US-based Trek fans sign up or not doesn’t matter, so long as they are able to fund the show with international rights. They could do this for a decade if the money was there.

          • mr joyce

            i dont agree with you, but you make a good argument there

  • Partha Mittra

    Very Very Very awesome. Even if Season Two does not happen until 2019 I would be okay if they keep the current quality. That is I will wait as long as we get quality episodes that focus on character development,broad philosophical arcs and good production values.

    I am in a really giddy mood for a Monday morning at the office 🙂

    • TUP

      I’d prefer a fall 2018 release. But early 2019 isnt out of the realm of acceptable. Season 1 wont end until early 2018 so one year isnt a long time to wait.

      I think it depends how the Christmas break goes. If it results in most people keeping their subs and thus extending the Star Trek “bump”, they might make it a regular deal to air in fall, hiatus over the holidays

      • Partha Mittra

        That would be truly awesome if they would agree to such a schedule. It would work well as holidays always wind up disrupting viewing habits

      • Matthew Burns

        I think the writers and producers just want to let the show be ready when it naturally is ready to go out to the viewers. They do not want to be locked into a deadline of Sept. 18.

    • Nowhereman10

      I’m not against it either as the need to build elaborate sets, costumes, CGI models, props, flesh out the next major story arch, and more on this level puts it in the realm of a major motion picture production which takes similar amounts of time to do.

  • AmiRami

    CBS knew what they were doing when they decided to put Trek on All Access. The fanbase of trek is large enough to float all access when it was previously failing miserably.

    • prometheus59650

      It wasn’t failing. It wasn’t doing much in the way of making waves, but it wasn’t failing.

      They, like Amazon or Netflix. just need flagship offerings.

      • AmiRami

        In terms of competing with Hulu ( the streaming service which has all networks but CBS) it was def failing. DIS put CBS All Access on the map so to speak.

        • MattR

          It wasn’t failing. It was in its intial phase for 2-3 years where it did not have any original content. It had over 1 million subscribers without any expenditure from CBS besides infrastructure.

          • AmiRami

            As far as CBS was concerned it was failing. They didn’t have the # of subscribers they wanted to warrant the service.

          • MattR

            It’s not failing when it’s part of a long-term strategy. This goes back to when CBS decided against being part of Hulu and maintaining full control of its content. The goal was to build their platform, and eventually start producing original content, and then go international.

          • AmiRami

            Granted that it is a long term strategy. But till DIS was released on All Access their long term strategy was not panning out as planned.

          • MattR

            How so? Just curious. Discovery was long-intended to be the first scripted original until it was delayed. They instead had to launch The Good Fight earlier, which was renewed for a second season faster than Discovery was.

            I haven’t seen any stories or article that mention that CAA was failing. Do you have a source?

          • AmiRami
          • MattR

            Nothing in that article says CAA was failing:

            CBS launched All Access in 2014 as a paid, ad-supported service that was, at first, mostly a storehouse for library material like “Cheers” and “I Love Lucy.” But it was always meant to be more.

            “Going back to the very beginning, we knew that adding to the overall number of shows that people could watch with All Access was very interesting to us — that with the subscription model complementing the advertising model, we would have the business model to support making original shows to increase that library,” says CBS Interactive CEO Jim Lanzone.

            “We’ve been surprised by how well they’ve done,” TV business analyst Michael Nathanson says of All Access. “The idea is that there are all these superfans out there who don’t want to pay for [large cable packages]. If you’re able to identify people who are superfans or who are not part of the pay-TV ecosystem [but will] pay six bucks a month — it’s not going to be a meter-moving number today, but if they can grow their business to 4 million subs, it’s going to start being really meaningful in three or four years.”

            With All Access, CBS reaps more per subscriber than what it gets in retransmission fees for its linear-television products.

            “Getting our content online, having it streamed, having it be an important part of our company going forward, we said all right, there is no better way to launch it to the upper level than to take ‘Star Trek,’ which is the family jewels, and put it there to attract millions of viewers,” Moonves says.

          • AmiRami

            Thats fine. its not a big deal.

          • DC Forever

            You seem to be confusing implementing a long term business strategy that is designed to start small and build over several years with”failing”?

          • DC Forever

            Exactly!

    • TUP

      It wasnt failing. They just werent invested in growing it. They are now.

      • AmiRami

        fair enough

      • DC Forever

        Yea, they were implementing a long term business strategy.

    • GIBBS v2

      It probably costs them very little to build and run their little walled garden. So any subscription revenue is pure gravy.

    • DC Forever

      False !!

      • AmiRami

        how so?

  • Robbins

    well trek in name only gets to piss on star trek some more.more proof pre 2009 trek is all dead.at least now i know 100% for sure star trek a si knew is long since dead.trek is for abrama and cbs fans now.

    • Partha Mittra

      Well you have your DVD’s and Blu-Ray’s. Even if you hate the current incarnation of Trek (which I love) then you have the past versions that you loved always available. A great example of IDIC. LLAP

    • FrostUK

      Keep Abrama out of this!

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      I just printed out your comment and took a leak on it. 😉

    • Nope, trek is alive and doing well on the TV weekily!

  • JP

    The thing I realized about the (brilliant) way that CBS has has set this up, the show is being funded by the international rights (Netflix, etc). So as long as CBS knows they can continue to get revenue from Netflix etcv (as they feel confident re: Season 2) they can continue to fund the show. As long as Netflix (and whomever else streams it internationally) feels it’s worth paying for, the show will survive. The moment they don’t (if they don’t) and CBS needs to foot the bill, it will be interesting.

    But this allows CBS to completely disregard any metrics (good or bad) around All Access sign-ups or overall Trek viewership. As long as Netflix and the other international streaming services are willing to pay for this to be in their library, CBS will continue to make it and use it in All Access marketing in the US. Really smart setup. They give up the international audience for their All Access marketing (by selling the show to Netflix) and focus on growing the All Access audience in the US by making the glitzy Star Trek show exclusive. Since I’m sure CBSAA’s priorities are US and not international, it’s not a big loss on their part.

    So if you want to know about the health of the show at any given time, try to find out how the international markets are responding. CBS obviously won’t release any numbers around this (there’s likely not a fantastic story to tell in terms of viewership). The stat they do tout is something like “…led to the most All Access subscriptions in history!” Which is like… not a really giant bar to leap.

    But if you can glean how it’s doing internationally and what the likelihood is of the international streaming platforms continuing to funding it, you’ll get an idea about the health of the show.

    • MattR

      Streaming services, including Netflix and Amazon and Hulu never release viewership numbers unfortunately

      • JP

        Some, like HBO, do. Usually when it’s a good story (Game of Thrones). They don’t have to because they don’t deal with advertising… which was my point, as advertising typically funds the show (at least indirectly).

        In this case, it’s the international streaming market funding the show (probably more directly). That’s what you want to pay attention to (whatever metric you can find) to measure the health of Discovery.

      • TUP

        The numbers are always “out there”. Netflix’ subs jumped and many attribute that to Discovery.

        • MattR

          True, but Netflix will never say, X number of viewers watched Y show. 🙂

          • TUP

            Very true. They guard that info with their lives and dont even share it with their content creators. I think it was Jason Bateman that said about Ozark that he has no idea how many people watched it but it must have done well since they got renewed lol

            Netflix is a brilliant business.

    • TUP

      The last thing CBS will do is disregard metrics of All Access sign ups. That’s a ludicrous assertion.

      Netflix’ deal helps them be patient and measured with All Access. But it has drawbacks too. Originally they wanted to leverage Star Trek by bringing it all to AA exclusively. Thats not the case now.

      If no one signed up for All Access, its unlikely they’d give it another season. So whatever the numbers are, they are within CBS’ expectations for growth.

      • JP

        A lot of conjecture with no basis in fact. It was always modeled to be funded with international licensing – from the very first announcement.

        https://www.trektoday.com/content/2016/12/netflix-sale-funds-star-trek-discovery

        This way they can keep using it to bring in new US subscribers on Netflix’s dime. It’s really brilliant as long as Netflix continues to be willing to pay for the non-US rights.

        If not even ONE person signed up through CBS – why wouldn’t they want to continue this model? Just have Netflix pay for the show instead of advertisers, and you can use it to market your streaming platform in the US for free.

        • TUP

          They don’t want Netflix paying their bills. They want to pay their own bills. They were going to pull their Trek content from Netflix. That’s the long game.

          • JP

            Think about what you are saying.

            Each ep costs between $6-8 mil to produce, so let’s say 6 million. That’s exactly what Netflix is paying per episode. So as is, they are making the show for free on somebody else’s dime, collecting as many new US subscribers as they can with it (it’s the centerpiece of their subscription marketing).

            The $10 all access cost is without ads, so let’s use that. Season 1 has 15 episodes over 3 months. So the cost to produce the season is 15x6million = $90 million. To pay for that with subscriptions, you’d need 3 million subscriptions at $10 for 3 months. If you used the $6 subscription plan, you’d need 5 milion over 3 months to pay for the show.

            And that is JUST to break even.

            For perspective, Moonves told investors he thinks 4 million subscribers is realistic. Say it’s a mix of $6 and $10 subscriptions that gets them to the break even point…. then they aren’t making any money on the show, and and are losing when marketing is taken into account.

            Sure, maybe they’ll have SO many subscriptions to their platform one day that they can pay for Trek at this rate of production cost solely with Trek subscriptions, and profit on all of the other subscriptions to Murder She Wrote archives…. but it’s a VERY long time aways away.

            Expect for Netflix to be underwriting these shows as long as they are willing to be.

          • TUP

            You’re looking at it very black
            And white. There’s is only one Netflix. Every other OTT has to finance their original content. No one is paying CBs for the good fight (well Canada is). But if they could only finance s sjiw based on Netflix paying them no smaller OTT’s would ever create content

            There is value above and beyond just the bill being paid today. It’s content they own.

            4 million subs makes them money. I’d it costs money to
            Get there so be it

            They’re lucky to have made
            The deal with Netflix but they originally did plan to go it alone. I’m sure they felt they could do it

            They want to eventually have all their content on their OTT. CBS’s end game in a perfect world is having no Trek on Netflix.

  • Andrew Skinner-Demps

    I’m so excited! This show is already one of my favorite incarnation of Star Trek. I feel like a kid again when Star Trek: TNG first debuted. Every week new delights and wonder. I’m doing my DISCO happy dance!

  • Victorinox

    Evolution of the haters;
    “This show will be cancelled before airing and never see the light of day”
    “This show will be cancelled before the end of season 1”
    “This show will never be renewed”

    I can’t wait to read what they come up with next

    • Eric Watson

      Haters gonna hate!

      • zombiespacedog

        And there are a lot of reasons to hate this show.

        • Eric Watson

          Groan…

    • “This,show will never get a season 3”

    • Gary Smith

      I posted this very same thing at another site.
      Well Done.

      • zombiespacedog

        Yes, well done at destroying the Star trek franchise.

        • How so, it got a second season. To destory it you neededd it to die here.

    • SpaceCadet

      There’s an official post from the Star Trek website on Facebook regarding the renewal and yet there are still a bunch of haters commenting there that refuse to believe the news is true or think a second season still won’t happen. What an amazing disconnect from reality!

      • zombiespacedog

        So people are “haters” because they find that the show sucks and is NOT Star Trek. You sound like more of a hater because they don’t share your opinion.

        • Calling a star trek show “not star trek” because you personally dislike it, is the definition of a hater.

        • SpaceCadet

          Good job, you just accurately self-described yourself as a “hater”. If I hated on something as much as you do I would at least be able to admit that to myself.

    • Thomas Elkins

      There is a chance I’ll be branded a “hater” for this, but I’d like to point out that Star Trek: Enterprise also had a lot of haters and yet it had been renewed four times before finally being canceled. This doesn’t mean I think Discovery will be a failure, but I don’t think people should assume that Season 2 guarantees the show will be untouchable. Enterprise got four seasons and each season got better, but it wasn’t enough to save it.

      People should take that into consideration before branding Discovery a complete success. That’s all I’m saying.

      • Eric Cheung

        It was renewed three times. The degree to which ENT was a success or failure is fairly muddy anyway. It was the end of 25 seasons of overlapping Star Trek, that also came at the time of a regime change at Paramount and the end of UPN and The WB. As with VOY, it had a lot more meddling from the studio than other shows, but without the ratings support and good faith that VOY enjoyed.

        The model for success in television is starkly different now. A second season pretty much is a win nowadays. I don’t think we’ll necessarily see seven seasons anymore, since shows like DSC follow the British and premium cable model, rather than the broadcast model, as all the previous shows did.

        I think the show won’t be as much of an anthology as Fuller may have wanted, but each season order will likely be for a full season, and basically be an individual story with the same crew. So, it’s more like a film series, where each season is a sequel to the original story. It’s less about keeping the show running than trying to determine whether or not there’s another long-form story to tell.

      • TUP

        We’re in unchartered territory here. If Discovery was on regular TV, we’d be able to see the success/failure by simply looking at published ratings and demo numbers.

        CBS purposely chose a route that would deliver LESS eyeballs than Network TV. They had 15 million viewers for the premiere and knew they’d have significantly less for the rest of the season. Its a strategic gamble to support All Access.

        Look at Orville. Every week we can how lousy the numbers are. And unlike Discovery where the producers were openly talking about their enthusiasm for a renewal weeks ago, no one connected with Orville is talking like that. And there is a very good chance more people watch Orville every week in the US (either way its pretty close).

    • Starshipdown

      You forgot “Something..something… Axanar.”

      • grandadmiralbinks

        Axanar is great

    • zombiespacedog

      Too bad. It shouldn’t have seen the light of day.

      • SpaceCadet

        In your opinion. Obviously enough people myself included feel otherwise for it to get a renewal. Just hang around for another decade or so and maybe you’ll get a Star Trek series you might like!

  • Quintillion Tesla

    STAR TREK DISCOVERY RENEWED!

    Put that in your pipe Midnight’s Edge – and SMOKE IT!!!!

    • TUP

      I thought Discovery sucked and they had decided to cancel it already? This must be fake news.

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      You know, really used to respect Midnight’s Edge until they fell to their own egos and have tried to make lightning strike twice by manufacturing another Ghostbusters 2016 out ST: DSC.

      • Quintillion Tesla

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  • Glad to hear the show has been renewed! The writers have thought up some really interesting situations to put the characters in, and the actors are bringing those characters to life beautifully.

  • pittrek

    Interesting. Let’s hope the second season will be better.

    • AmiRami

      Well season 2 is not coming till 2019 from what I have heard so they certainly have enough time

    • TUP

      If season 2 is as good as season 1, it will be a success. But better? That would be off the charts. Discovery is the best first season of any Trek series.

      • pittrek

        I don’t think so, the last episode is the first one I actually like. Even though it contained way too many stupidities.

        • TUP

          Disagreed. Even in general terms, its hard for anyone to compare the season thus far to TNG, Voy, ENT or even DS9 and say it isnt better than those. But to each their own.

          • Partha Mittra

            TOS might have had a better first season than DSC. However it would be a close run race.

          • Now you’re playing with fire! 😉

          • Matthew Burns

            I think Discovery can rightly be louded as a success in its first 6 episodes. Better first six episodes than any Post TOS Trek show.

      • AmiRami

        Too true. Trek post TOS has always suffered from horrible first seasons.

        • I don’t know about that. TNG’s first season was pretty awful. The other three? Maybe not great, but far from horrible, IMHO.

          • AmiRami

            Well IMO:

            DS9: the show really didn’t come into its own till the Dominion story arc. The first season of DS9 was much more about aliens coming to visit than it was the Maquis and such. The show started off eposodic.

            VOY: The Kes years. The klingon rip off aliens and such. To be fair I hated all 7 seasons of VOY. But the show didn’t really take off till 7 of 9.

            ENT: Temporal Cold War. Do I really need to say anything more than that? LOL

          • TUP

            DS9 had a great pilot. The characters showed a lot more depth and were better actors than the TNG pilot and the Voy pilot. DS9 was really good from the beginning but sort of lacked direction until they embraced the core concept of the warm hole and the implications of suddenly connecting to the Delta Quadrant. And that started in Season 2, if I recall.

          • AmiRami

            DS9 was more of a slow burn than anything else. I mean Sisko and Kira were great from the start. But Bashir came off way too cocky (i know he was meant too) and dax was totally wooden. Things really kicked up for me when Sisko and Quark were abducted by the dominion and we saw a Galaxy class starship blown to high hell out of nowhere.

      • Agreed

      • Snap

        Even though I have voiced my criticisms of elements of the show, as well as the terrible premiere, I certainly agree. And I think it goes without saying that I only have such criticisms or nitpick because I care about Star Trek. It is never my intention to “hate” on it nor wish it to fail.

  • Eric Watson

    I love Discovery, but hearing about record signups really is misleading and tells us almost nothing about the success of the show. Twice nothing is still nothing, so to speak. Record sign ups are nothing to brag about if the membership rates were crap to begin with. If they told us the actual number of new subscribers, or the % increase, or the number of times the show was actually streamed, then that would be actual information. That being said, I am very happy to get a season 2!

    • TUP

      Its not twice nothing. It had over 1.5 million subs before Discovery. 15 million people watched the premiere. How many were converted, we dont know. Coincidentally, Netflix announced above expected sub increased as well and some attribute that to Discovery.

      Are you a CBS shareholder? If not, your interest in the success is that it was renewed for a second season.

      • Eric Watson

        When compared to Netflix, Amazon or Hulu, that is very tiny number. I am thrilled we get a season 2. “Record breaking” numbers of members could mean a 0.68% increase. Without actual stats, those words are meaningless.

        • TUP

          Ofcourse it is a small number compared to Netflix. But its fairly competitive with HBO. All Access is not exactly new but the support for it from CBS is new. Look at it as a one year old OTT service. They want 4 million by 2020 so thats their measure of success.

          • Eric Watson

            And I hope they get there and then some. I want them to be sucessful so we get more Trek.

          • mr joyce

            ….hopefully

        • DC Forever

          What’s your point? Obviously the business case worked out for a season 2. Stop whining about CBS not making public their proprietary numbers.

          • Eric Watson

            And I hope CBS makes boatloads of money with this show. I’m loving the series so far. I couldn’t care less what their actual numbers are, I’m just glad we get another season. Hopefully a spin-off show too. I just thought the language used was a little slippery. It sounds good but doesn’t really provide any real info. Sounds like the verbage a politician would use. That was my only point, I didn’t mean for this to get blown out of proportion.

    • FightingMongooses

      Agreed, how many people are still on the one month free trial? I myself canceled after episode 3 but my brother kept his subscription going since Discovery is the only television show he wants to watch besides The Orville.

      • Eric Watson

        I paid for a full year.

    • TUP

      None of CBS’ business announcements impact you. its so weird hearing people hang on this. What do you want CBS to say “we had shitty sub numbers before but we have a few now. It still sucks but hey, fingers crossed”.

      Of course they frame their successes as if they are really big. And who’s to say they arent. The main obstacle with OTT is getting people to sign up. Thats why they ALL do free trials. Because getting that initial sign up is the hard part. Once people get past the “its too confusing” or “its too hard” or “I dont do streaming”, they are much easier to keep and/or bring back.

      Netflix built a business on the back of free months. Its what you do. if CBS didnt do free trials, it would be weird.

      CBS is not going to reveal critical business info that competitors would love to know just to make Star Trek fans feel good.

      The IMPORTANT news is a season 2 renewal. Because all the “everyone will cancel” or “no one signed up” nonsense is moot. CBS is happy enough and Netflix is happy enough to commit a ton of money for another year.

      • Eric Watson

        This has gotten blown way out of proportion. I am not handwringing in dispair over CBS’s numbers. I hope Discovery brings All Access into the levels that make them more competative with other streaming services like Hulu. I hope they will grow and grow. I hope we get to the point where traditional networks and cable chanels vanish or change and we get all out stuff from streaming services. My only very minor criticism was their choice of words. Of course they will put a good spin in their numbers. Last week I did a record number of pushups. Without knowing if that was 3 pushups or 300, it’s hard to gauge whether that is good or not. I would have preferred they tell us how many people subscribed and watched, but they have no oblogation to tell us anything. Nuff said.

        • TUP

          Its good. A record number is always good. Its not like Discovery is their first show. They’ve had other popular and acclaimed shows. So generating a record number is a good sign. Probably expected, but good nonetheless.

  • The Science Fiction Oracle
    • mr joyce

      he DID ‘phone it in’ after all! i thought i’d never see the day!

    • DC Forever

      Lol. Certainly a bad day for that one-liner wonder here.

      • mr joyce

        xindi?

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          SJW?

          • mr joyce

            well said?

      • The Science Fiction Oracle

        Yea, he predicted the CBS servers would crash, and the show would be cancelled during the first season.

        LMFAO !!!

  • Your Worst Nightmare

    Where’s that Khan series, guys? 😉

    This is great news! They best get their streaming service in order though.

  • Fiery Little One

    Renewed: Good. Wait until 2019 before it airs: Not so much.

  • Outstanding! I am not keen on waiting till 2019 however.

    • DC Forever

      I sense that the creative team, which only wrapped this season last week, is completely mentally spent.

      • Could be. This is not episodic, you you need a outline and most , if not all the writing done before filming starts.

        • prometheus59650

          Yeah, you can tweak bits here and there, but it’s a 15-hour movie and that movie has to be written before you begin.

          Writing as you shoot worked for Beverly Hills Cop, it’s not going to work for this Star Trek.

          • Agreed, I rather not have the delay, but gods I love this style of show.

          • TUP

            They did indicate they had an idea for Season 2. I wonder if they set it up at the end of season 1. They seemed to know pretty well that Season 2 was a go so they would have had time to include a set up.

            I suspect they will take a break and the come back to begin working on the story.

            They probably had the cast under multiple year deals so thats not an issue, but they still have to schedule time in all the actor’s calendars.

        • GIBBS v2

          If it wasn’t mapped out you might end up with another Subrosa or Threshold episode. Lol.

          Writers are fatigued need a script, pull something from the back shelf, bam done!

    • AmiRami

      I know right? WTF!!

      • Someone pointed out it could just be they need a break. writing a arc based show is not the same as an episodic show.

        • AmiRami

          Yeah and thats fine and all. Take your time to get it right. Its just that over a year is a long time to wait between seasons. Things like that have killed shows in the past (heros for example thanks to the writing strike)

  • Kirksdeadjim

    Great news! Im really enjoying Discovery so far.Suck on that haters!

  • I’m fascinated to see where they go in season 2. No more Klingon war. But the Discovery still needs to stay at least somewhat secret, right? Still can’t affect the events of TOS and beyond. I fully anticipate the story to be something quite unexpected. Fun times!

    • TUP

      Since the name of the series is Discovery, I guess we’d assume it keeps the ship. But do they keep experimenting with the Spore Drive, thus keeping the missions classified or does the spore drive get abandoned by the end of the first season and thus it becomes a regular exploratory vessel?

      • GhostLoveScore

        I hope they would drop the spore drive, it’s a good story for one or two episodes, but for entire season, or for few seasons, it will get boring. This was the first episode that doesn’t involve spore drive or klingon war (too much) and I would like more episodes like these

        • Snap

          I think the spore drive will be abandoned as well, but I think the deciding factor may have to do with the tardigrade. There’s just something about how it responded when Burnham freed it that we haven’t seen the last of it and it will return at a time when Discovery needs it the most.

          • The preview for net week looks spore drive, time loop crazy. And thdre was some kinda beast on the ship a nd Mudd is back!

          • TUP

            Looks amazing!

          • It really does. I was shocked how much I was excited to see Mudd again.

          • Snap

            Sweet! I will never protest more Harcourt Fenton Mudd.

            I don’t think I’ve ever really seen previews for Discovery, with the exception of the one which played over the end credits of “The vulcan Hello” unless you’re referring to the clips shown on After Trek.

          • No, they play every week on allaccess right after the show.

          • TUP
    • Ian Fleming

      The sky’s the limit.

    • We see a single ship in TOS. There us a ton of room left in this era, its almost totally blank.

      • TUP

        The most hilarious complaint about Discovery before it aired was “Why is it a prequel, we know EVERYTHING about this era”. lol

  • Space Gaz

    What a pity

    • Why? Just because you dislike it you think it should fail?

      • Space Gaz

        Both

        • Yeah, luckily you don’t get a vote and those of us who are enjoying it get to keep a show they enjoy. It suck you do not enjoy it, but its a dick move to wish something to fail others are enjoying because its not what you wanted.

          • Space Gaz

            At least I gave you a reason to continue your endless comment stream.

    • DC Forever

      You or the show?

      I’m thinking you.

      • Space Gaz

        Personal insult, what a shock.

        • The Science Fiction Oracle

          Well, in all fairness to DC, I also thought you might be using self-depreciating humor as well given the great news of the renewal, because your post isn’t that clear?

          • Space Gaz

            Looking back at the comment you are right. I should have elaborated.

    • Eric Watson

      What other shows do you dislike so much that you go on message boards to complain about?

      • Space Gaz

        None, but then no other TV shot has ever spoken to me like Trek. Been a life long fan and have always loved it, sometimes too much.

        • TUP

          Doesnt sound like you love Trek.

          • He loves this set idea of trek. You will find that rather common among trek fans.

          • Space Gaz

            10K+ spent of VHS, DVD and Bluray releases over the past 20 years probably puts me in the fan category.

          • TUP

            So you’re this devoted fan who is unhappy a Trek series got renewed because you personally dont like it? Nah, you aint a fan.

          • Space Gaz

            I guess you know me better than I do:)

          • TUP

            This whole thread started because you wrote that it was a pity that it was renewed so spare me the “Im happy its on TV” stuff. You wanted to act like a jerk and you did and now you’re a super fan. Ok cool.

            Anyone who thinks Orville is better “Trek” isnt a fan of Star Trek. Unless you’re like 10 years old.

          • Space Gaz

            If you don’t like my opinion that is fine but when you start with the personal insults you can just piss right off.

          • TUP

            I didn’t insult you. I made a remark about your behaviour. You expressed unhappiness that the show was renewed. On a Trek forum. That’s not very nice. Try to be nice.

  • Aaron

    First, I am not surprised by this news at all. Second, haters you can go suck it :p

    • Eric Watson

      Ditto to that

    • Snap

      The “haters” can have their opinion. I personally feel the best way to deal with it is to not give them the satisfaction of letting their comments get to you. They “win” even if you are telling them to “suck it” since you’re allowing yourself to sink to their level and “hate” on them.

  • SpaceCadet

    Congrats to all of the creative talent behind ST: DSC, the corporate investors that recognize and acknowledge its consumer appeal and potential for further growth and revenue, and not least of all, us fans that have tuned in and paid money to support this unique and entertaining entry in the Star Trek pantheon!

    2019 does seem far off but we still have 6 episodes left of the current season starting in January and the lengthy wait till 2019 will just build up the heavy anticipation that I’m sure will be rewarded. Besides, I’m sure we’ll find lots of entertaining options out there next year to keep our minds occupied in the meantime!

    • Matthew Burns

      The date is not confirmed yet anyway. It may yet launch in Sept/Oct next year again. The principle cast is assembled, sets are in place, writers are already in place. Production could start again as early as Spring. The first two or three eps ready by Autumn!

      • SpaceCadet

        Right, but at the same time I think they don’t need to rush things if they want to get things just right. Other prestige shows like GoT, Westworld, The Sopranos, are using or have used this approach successfully in the past.

  • Ian Fleming

    Was it ever really in doubt? CBS has built an entire streaming service around ST:DSC. Great news for all concerned.

  • Snap

    It was expected, but congratulations to the Discovery team.

  • iamawild

    To quote Macho Man Randy Savage…”OOOOOOH YEAHHHHH!!”

    • Eric Watson

      Best post ever! Lol.

  • Eric Watson

    My hope is that Discovery will be like The Next Generation, in that it will last several years and spin off several other shows that will give us boatloads of new trek for years and years to come.

    • Maybe, but I think they will avoid doing what that era did and over saturating the market.

      Edit: Then again we got what, 3 NCIS’s?

      • Eric Watson

        I think shorter seasons would help with that. Kind of like Marvel’s Netflix shows.

        • Well, this is made like a netflix show, same style and everything.

          • Eric Watson

            I just wish they did whole seasons at once, but totally get why they didn’t.

          • Yeah, same.

        • TUP

          Its interesting that CBS ordered 15 episodes. Its sort of more than the usual “premium content” series. More than Daredevil etc even. Similar to The Walking Dead.

          Im really curious about Season 2 and if they keep 15 episodes or drop it. i’d suspect they dont increase it just due to production costs. But you never know.

          • Eric Watson

            Production costs may be less if they have the physical sets and digital models already built.

          • Nowhereman10

            Depends on what the next season brings in terms of story arc and what changes will be made to the standing USS Discovery sets and CGI. It also will determine how much in the way of new physical sets, CGI sets, and models will need to be made that can offset any savings from reusing existing ones.

      • Darkthunder

        And NCIS is so far into Season 15, 9 and 4 and still going strong. Don’t think it’s an issue of over-saturation, more so that the quality of Trek shows diminished over time to the point of cancellation. Possibly due to writer fatigue?

        • Trek was a show runner issue. Look at VOY and ENT, so many recycled scripts.

          • AmiRami

            I remember when Rene Auberjonois guest starred on ENT and he commented to ENT’s showrunners that the ep he was doing with them had already been done in DS9. Hysterical.

          • That sound right,

          • AmiRami

            Yeah, both the DS9 ep and the ENT ep dealth with a civilization that was mysteriously surviving and it turned out everyone but just 1 or 2 people were holograms. And whats erven funnier is that ODO was the main character in the DS9 ep and Rene’s character was the main alien n the ENT ep.

          • I am drawing a blank on those two eps.

          • AmiRami

            The DS9 one was Season 2 ep 16 – shawowplay.

            http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Shadowplay_(episode)

            “An episode of Star Trek: Enterprise (“Oasis”) aired 8 years later, in which Rene Auberjonois guest-starred, with his character, Ezral, taking on a role similar to that of Rurigan. Auberjonois noticed the similarities.”

            http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Oasis_(episode)

          • Yeah, pretty damned close to thr same story.

          • AmiRami

            yep!!! And both involving the exact same actor across 2 shows no less.

        • Eric Watson

          I’ve been curious about NCIS, especally the one with Bakula. The only other thing on All Access that might be worth watching.

          • Me and the why enjoy it. Mans a good actor

          • TUP

            The Good Fight is really good. Although woman-centric legal dramas might not appeal to all people. But it has great writing and acting. Sharp and witty and an easy watch.

      • Matthew Burns

        18 years is a long time for a sci fi show to be running. Nothing lasts forever.

      • Eric Cheung

        They kept making Law and Orders, CSIs, and NCISs, because those shows are relatively formulaic and still follow the broadcast model of the 1990s. DSC, and probably future Trek shows, will follow the British/premium cable/streaming format of seasons/series tailored more toward the long-form story they want to tell, with no set schedule for 22 episode seasons starting in September and ending in May.

        I guess that makes it harder to predict whether they’ll go the comic book television route or stick with the one show for now, and release shortish seasons with a fairly unpredictable release schedule.

        It seems that Trek has gone a bit too far in the opposite direction from the oversaturation of the Berman-era. Every single TV or movie Trek project since ENT ended has been delayed, all three movies, season one and two of DSC, often because they have a much larger budget and talent that isn’t entirely focused on Trek. I wish they could be a bit more disciplined about scheduling, and budget.

        As much criticism as Berman rightly deserves, I do kind of wish there was another Trek caretaker who made Trek the entire focus of a career, as much as he did.

      • PJ

        Over saturation is a Braga and Berman myth. DS9 was an untraditional concept that took too long to get good and Voyager and Enterprise were just plain lousy for most of their runs. There will always be a market for Star Trek that is properly produced with thought and care.

        • TUP

          yeah I dont know if it was over-saturation of Star Trek. It was over-saturation of lousy Star Trek though.

          • iMike

            You know … for all the criticism rightfully lobbed at those nitpicking the stylistic differences of DSC, there is an equal amount of hate in several of these comment threads lobbed at Berman-era Trek. No Star Trek has ever been perfect, and each series is rife with things we can look back on years later and nitpick. Berman-era Trek represents what the majority of television represented at the time. As someone who grew up during TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT I could sit and nitpick several things I find wrong about TOS or most of the films.

        • VOY and ENT suffered from reused scripts.

          • TUP

            I agree. Bad, bland Trek from the same creative people driving the Berman era. Its no wonder that DS9 was so much better and the one they all said Berman barely cared about.

            Im sure Berman was a perfectly competent executive who helped Star Trek immensely behind the scenes. But his vision was so vanilla.

            Both Voy and Ent are conspicuous as GREAT concepts that almost immediately stopped trying to execute that concept and took the easy route. This is where the myth of “non-conflict” comes in. It was the excuse as to why there was no drama.

          • Agreed, I think VOY f, but both left that great version and concept far, far behind.ailed its version more than ENT did

          • TUP

            Voy could have been so good. i remember being so exicted as everyone said it was a return to TOS-style “deep space exploration” where you cant just call HQ all the time.

          • Yeah the concept was fantastic. But they never really felt like a ship on its own. It was always clean and everything ran, the holodeck was going 24/7. The ship was never really modified and they wasted that great concept of the two crews forced together.

          • AmiRami

            Battlestar Galactica (Ron Moore version) literally exists as an answer to what VOY was supposed to be.

          • I liked the new BSG, but gods did they lose the way after a bit.

          • AmiRami

            oh yeah. I mean I know the show always had a strong religious element to it but they jumped the shark when everything that was weird on the show was because “God did it”. How did Kara come back? God did it. How did humanity survive? God did it. Who is head 7? God’s angel. It took any and all consequences out of the show because no matter what, God will fix it.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            It was not-miss scifi TV, even though I agree with Shannon they they got a bit sidetracked it seemed in the latter two seasons.

          • AmiRami

            Oh it def did. IIRC BSG suffered from writer’s strike syndrome. But yeah that whole we found earth but wait not really thing sucked.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Good point — when you stuck in an unexplored part of the galaxy, forget the silly plot crutch of the Holodeck please…DUH!

          • Some of those were neat, but not a fit for VOY. I brought it up elsewhere, but “year of hell” as a whole season without the damned reset would have been great. Hell they should have kept some of those borg changes, the ship we saw in season 7 should be rough and added on bits with alien tech and not that much like the brand new ship in season 1.

            You do not maintain a ship, much less a high tech ship, without yard time and replacment parts.

          • TUP

            I remember they originally had Neelix as the cook to save power usage with the food replicators. But “Holodecks” operated on a different power pack or something stupid. Just ridiculous.

          • PJ

            No conflict amongst the crew is a perfectly valid concept that worked very well on TNG. I doubt their last poker game scene would have meant anything had they all been at each other’s throats for 7 years. What was/is wrong with tuning in to see likable people who are pals sorting out moral and ethical dilemmas? Poignancy and pathos – that’s what the franchise needs to get back.

          • TUP

            A lot of TNG is boring. And they used “fake” conflict to manufacture drama in several episodes.

            But TNG is the exception that proves the rule. Rehashing TNG was the mistake of Voy & Enterprise.

            DS9 had a crew that all got along too. The conflict came from 1) deeper personalities ie. Kira and Sisko got along but their interests were sometimes at odds 2) supporting characters like Garak and Quark and Dukat.

            DS9 just delt with more interesting and dramatic stories…

            The idea of real conflict among the crew wasnt explored until the concept for VOY where it would have made perfect sense for on going conflict to exist. But they ran from that as soon as they could.

            I agree, part of TNG’s charm was the chemistry of the crew. One TNG was enough. We didnt need three.

          • PJ

            DS9 mixed things up with the Odo/Quark and Garak/Bashir dynamic, but that was pitched at the same level of the Bones/Spock relationship, ie they secretly loved each other and all the bickering and verbal sparring was banter.

            Berman got a lot of things wrong as time went on, but he was completely correct to be wary of too much conflict. Voyager could well have become another TNG (look at season 4 eps to see how Jeri Taylor was recreating that magic). It all started to fall apart because nobody after her had the ability to deliver that sort of writing and characterisation.

            If you view TNG through the wider picture of the rest of the genre it becomes a unique one off in a vast sea of conflict driven sci-fi. There was and is plenty more room for that sort of show.

          • TUP

            Voy fell apart because it was boring, betrayed its core concept and hit the re-set switch every episode which told viewers that nothing mattered.

          • AmiRami

            VOY flat out sucked. The whole show should have been like Year of Hell.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “VOY flat out sucked.”

            YEP !!!!!

          • Snap

            I wouldn’t say the whole show, that would get depressing really fast. The biggest sin with Voyager, in my eyes, is not only how they grossly overexposed the Borg but completely neutered them. The Borg were the greatest threat to the Federation, then along comes Voyager’s fancy Delta Flyer and they achieve humiliating victories over the Borg, when Voyager should have been destroyed outright once they entered Borg space.

          • TUP

            Yup, very true. Even they knew they screwed it up and had to create an even more dangerous species to encounter…and them promptly neutered them too with that awful episode where the leader was Boothby. ugh

          • AmiRami

            Yeah, what they did with the Borg was ridiculous. The Borg were supposed to be so powerful that one ship could take on all of Starfleet and win. And yet somehow on VOY 1 starfleet ship could take on the entire collective. I mean… what?!?!

          • TUP

            The writers tried too hard to make Janeway “the greatest captain ever” rather then just write good stories and let her organically be seen as a great Captain.

          • AmiRami

            And the worst part of it was that in trying to make her the best. They made her the worst. I remember the eposide with Sulu where she mentioned that kirk, Spock, Sulu et all would be kicked out of 24th century Starfleet (which severely pissed mee off but I did see her poiont).

            Then what does she do? She sides with the Borg against Species 8472 and indirectly becomes responsible for the assimilation of BILLIONS. She not only offers replication and holo technology to the Hirogen, she practically begs them to take it. And bam, a new race of killer holograms are born. By the end of the series she was literally telling her crew that you should just ignore the temporal prime directive all together. And lest we forget, in Endgame, she radically changes the timeline. I mean, who even knows if Romulus exploded in Endgame’s original timeline?

            All of this just to get a crew of 100+ people home. She shouldn’t have been promoted when she got home, she should have been locked up.

          • TUP

            great points.

            Worse, she would often preach (in that pretentious TNG way) about adhering to the moral code of the Federation. And that WAS an interesting idea for two reasons 1) you’re stuck 70 years away from home with no supervision and maybe you can break rules to help yourself or get home faster, but should you? THAT was the intriguing question. 2) Because they joined with the Maquis, you have a large group of people on your ship that have a different moral code.

            But they dropped the maquis conflict right away and made Chakotay Janeway’s whipped poolboy. And she broke the rules whenever she felt like it.

            The pilot establishes that they would rather be stuck in Delta than break rules to get home. And the series ends with them doing just that. With no moral implications because as soon as Voy arrives home, the show is over.

            And what did they save? A romance between Chakotay and Seven? THAT was what made breaking all the rules worth it?

            LAME

          • AmiRami

            exactly this. Why even bother with the Maquis? I mean the one or 2 times they revolted they were under some kind of mind control and bam at the end of the ep everything goes back to normal.

            And if you are ANY kind of StarFleet captain you should be willing to sacrifice your ship and crew to save billions.

            And to add to that, why did the ship never run out of photons? Oh the Delta Flyer blew up? Its all good, we’ll just build another one. The show took no chances and played it safe when it should have been the most dangerous of all the Trek series’

          • Matthew Burns

            Voyager ran seven seasons. Hardly a failed show. Audiences were watching!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Two and a Half Men ran for 9 seasons.

            Nuff said.

          • PJ

            To me it was boring because there was no chemistry and camaraderie amongst the crew. You remember that old chestnut? You know, the thing that got the whole franchise going in the first place with TOS?

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Bad casting and bad writing.

          • PJ

            Some of the TNG actors were no great shakes. Great writers and producers can overcome that though.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            You can also get by with some weak supporting actors when you have Stewart, Spinner and Dorn to carry a lot of the eps.

            For Voyager, the only actors who I thought really nailed their roles and gave me interest were Russ and Dawson, and both were underutilized.

          • TUP

            TNG’s cast made up for lack of award-winning talent with great chemistry and good writing. As you said, Spiner and Stewart can carry anyone. But everyone knew their role and did great. Once the actors figured out their characters, they really had great chemistry.

            First Contact is the best example, I think. No doubt because of Frakes getting the best from actors and characters he knew very well. At times it almost seemed like we were watching the actors hang out. Very natural chemistry.

          • TUP

            Yup. Lots of conflict in TOS.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            EXACTLY!

          • Yeah of Hell was fantastic and should have been a whole season. Then they freaking reset it.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            LOL — just no. TNG started hitting it’s stride when finally they did allow some character conflict drama.

          • PJ

            Well, LOL — just yes. Who wants to tune in every week to a bunch of people endlessly fighting who dislike each other? God knows in our time most of us have probably had enough of that in real life!

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            Well, given you are determined to paint this as either black or white (either a show with virtually no crew conflict or a show where all the characters are constantly fighting each other…lol) I will repeat what I said to you on your related post on this thread:

            “When TNG slightly eased up on the “no crew conflict” theme, the series blossomed….To little crew conflict and too much crew conflict are both too extreme.”

          • PJ

            Maybe I am a tad guilty of seeing things a bit black and white. If I do though it’s only because of the remarkable nature of how TNG played out as a creative piece. Here we are 23 years years later and not a single show has even come close to replicating its feel. That seems odd to say the least when you consider how massively popular and successful it was.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I see where you are coming from with that comment!

          • TUP

            Voyager felt a lot like TNG with a less charming cast.

          • TUP

            No one. And we dont have that in Discovery. We didnt have it in any series. There is a lot of ground between holding hands and grabbing throats. So Im not sure what your point is…

          • Snap

            The funny thing with Quark and Odo is, as both Armin Shimerman and Rene Auberjonois will say, they really didn’t do that much together through-out the series.

            I bet the main things people will mention with them are interactions in the pilot as well as the episode where they were stranded on a planet together. There are little quips here and there but their relationship is quite minimal in the grand scheme of things. It’s just that what we did get from them is so memorable that it sticks out.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            “No conflict amongst the crew is a perfectly valid concept that worked very well on TNG.”

            That’s hilarious to hear, considering the first real departure from that guidance, was The Best of Both Worlds, which was the tipping point for the series to drastically improve, with many key eps after that having more conflicts.

          • PJ

            You ever heard of the concept of less is more? BOBW stood out exactly because there was little conflict on TNG. When you make it a mundane and constant theme, it loses its punch.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            I’ll agree with that, but nevertheless, when they slightly eased up on the “no crew conflict” theme, the series blossomed.

            To little crew conflict and too much crew conflict are both too extreme.

          • TUP

            Its not just conflict among the crew. You have to be careful with that because while humans (and humanoids) might always have their issues, a military group or exploration team would naturally weed out people who couldnt get along.

            When Discovery details came out people ranted and raved about the storyline of “war” and cited the no-conflict thing. It made no sense.

            TNG was a different time for story-telling. Every episode was a bottle episode. But Berman kept repeating this same stuff over and over again.

            When he finally tried to change it up in Enterprise with “conflict” with Vulcans it was really one dimensional and sort of defied logic (ha!).

            On Discovery, its not like we have a crew of people at each others throats. There is limited conflict between the crew and what there is makes sense and is often subtle. Saru/Michael. Stamets/Lorca.

            Star Trek was always about conflict. It was “Earth” that was portrayed as having evolved beyond regional conflict (petty wars, hunger, poverty etc) and joined together for a greater purpose. But once “out there” many stories were about conflict they found. That was true from the very beginning…

            The Cage = conflict. WNMHGB = conflict.

          • Matthew Burns

            It is easy to lap the blame on individuals. It surely is unfair to lap so much bile and blame at Bermans door. He made mistakes. He is human.

          • TUP

            Berman was in charge.

          • The Science Fiction Oracle

            He ran it. He got risk-adverse after DS9 for whatever reason, and also failed to replenish the creative talent for Voyager and Enterprise, not to mention failing to supervise some pretty poor casting choices on those shows.

  • David Dennis

    Great!!!

  • jurassicbond

    I’m just going to wait until the season is over then binge watch it on All Access during the trial.

    • Eric Watson

      I thought of doing that, but didn’t have the willpower to wait. Plus, I hate ads. It is worth money for me to avoid them.

      • jurassicbond

        I just saw the first two episodes.

    • The Science Fiction Oracle

      You are not really supporting the shown then. I like that my subscription is paying for the production of the series.

      • jurassicbond

        I understand that. Again, I already pay for cable and have several streaming services. I don’t have endless money.

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    Too bad.

  • Donny Pearson

    With respect to those who were like “‘Star Trek: Discovery’ drools,” “Star Trek: Discovery” rules! I am ready for season two…and beyond. On a slight off-topic, I do hope CBS Home Entertainment would release the complete first season of “Discovery” on Blu-ray, DVD, Digital and 4K Ultra HD, even for those who are not ready to subscribe to CBS All Access for $6-10 a months. Who is with me?

    • TUP

      I’d be shocked if they did not release the first season on Blu Ray. And doing so in 4K would make sense, especially because its NOT currently available in 4K anymore. Market it as seeing the show the way “it was meant to be seen”.

      I’d hope to see some documentaries included charting the return of Star Trek to TV.

      • Matthew Burns

        I think you will be shocked!

        Why would CBS release the show on home-media when they actually need people to be subscribing to All Access in America and Netflix in Europe. They will want any new fans signed up.

        • TUP

          Streaming services release things on home video all the time when they still have the program on streaming.

          • Matthew Burns

            Stranger Things is one example. Star Trek Discovery will 100% make be put out on home-media discs, but probably not for a good two or three years from now, at least.

          • Snap

            I think there’s too much potential money to made for CBS to risk not putting it on home media while it is still a hot property. They most certainly want to use it to attract new subscribers, but when someone can wait until the season is over to binge watch it for $10, they can release it on home media with better overall picture and sound quality and the added benefit of not being subject to potential OTT service issues for full retail price and the market will be there.

            It’s just too bad that even the potential success of Discovery on blu-ray won’t bring DS9 to HD.

          • TUP

            I suppose there is something to be said for waiting a couple of years so that when Season 2 is about to drop, they can use “binge season 1 on All Access” as leverage.

            But a strong Blu Ray release also promotes the service. They could bundle it with a free trial to All Access also.

            I think its generally different markets. There are people who will only buy it on disc and those that wont bother buying disc when they can watch it online. And those of us that will do both. Trek fans are likely niche-ier and more likely to “collect” the discs.

            Regarding DS9, eventually they really have to upgrade it. In time, they will simply not be able to license it to platforms or syndication if it’s not HD. I doubt they will shelf it. Upgrading it has a significant cost, but it will pay for itself in time, both directly in future syndication and in-directly as part of “Star Trek HD Catalog”

    • AmiRami

      Personally I want it released on iTunes.

      • Donny Pearson

        That may work as well. Let’s hope “Discovery” would be available on YouTube as well in a price that is neither cheap nor expensive.

    • Snap

      If the series continues on course (and there’s currently no reason to expect otherwise), I will certainly support the show with a blu-ray purchase. I know CBS wants to use it as the carrot to entice All Access subscriptions, that really only applies to the US and it would not make much business sense for CBS to not put it out on home video and miss out on capitalizing the show, especially when it is still hot.

  • DejectedRedShirt

    It has potential, but there’s not enough I like about it to warrant a second season in my mind. The laughable costumes and substandard acting make me wonder what folks are enjoying about this.

    • Salvador Nogueira

      Where were you when we were getting Deanna “I-sense-something-don’t-know-what” Troi? I for one am glad that potential warranted a second season, in spite of substandard writing and acting…

  • GIBBS v2

    I’m really liking this exploration of Sarek.

    Getting a Spock name drop was cool and it wasn’t just because, it was relevant to Burnham and Sarek’s relationship issues.

    You know what would be a real mind blower, hearing him name drop Sybok in a future episode. Hell even getting Sybok into an episode would explode the universe. Each child represents a different achievement, challenge or shame for Sarek.

    Good stuff.

    • AmiRami

      In addition, it has always been ironic that Sybok is the only child of Sarek who is fully Vulcan and yet he is the most emotional one of all 3. It might be interesting to explore the idea that Michael’s emotional state is one that is a merger of Spock’s and Sybok’s.

  • Neil Fuller

    Yay! Great! I love a good comic farce lampooning Star Trek! ST:D std. STD! (Its a Klingon thing. If don’t get the joke, we’ll have you over for Bar-B-Que! The secret is in the sauce.)

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  • jurassicbond

    I’m glad it’s renewed. I just hope it continues to go in new directions and not just always about war or explosions. Sometimes you just need a chill character driven episode. But at the same time, this is what people want. So, even though it doesn’t feel like Star Trek for me, I’m glad it keeps the name in the spotlight.

    • TUP

      They have said the Klingon war is a season one story and season 2 will be about something else.

      • jurassicbond

        How many seasons do you personally perceive the show to have?

  • Syd Shanshala

    They cancelled enterprise which apparently everyone hated, now everyone acts like they were personally screwed by not getting to see the romulan war or NX refit. Everyone hated the JJ movies even though they brought the franchise back from LITERAL death, and hey looks like we probably aren’t getting another movie any time soon. Now everyone hates discovery and wants it cancelled and are literally offended it’s getting another season.
    Sometimes I wish they’d give these “trek fans” what they want and never attempt to do another movie or series ever again. Have fun rewatching Picard play the flute FOREVER.

    • TUP

      Exaggerate much? lol

      Enterprise did suck. But in its last season, it began telling interesting stories and paying off its core concepts. Unfortunately, it was dead in the water by that point. That doesnt mean the fans who were still watching werent happy to finally have the series they were promised (or as good as it could be).

      And ofcourse, all the speculation and teases for what would have been another season sound really exciting and cool. We WANT to see that. Doesnt mean it would have been good in execution, but it sounded good in theory.

      Regarding JJ films, whats the point in bringing something back from the dead only to kill it again? Star Trek was never dead. The fact Bad Robot was angry that CBS kept selling TOS merch tells you that it was not dead because CBS merch was interfering with Bad Robot merch.

      The JJ films raised the profile of Star Trek. Undeniably. It got more eyeballs on a Trek film than any other before. And generated LOTS of revenue. Keep in mind they also had WAY higher production and marketing budgets than previous films.

      When you factor in profits, they werent nearly as successful as they seem which is why there is seemingly no Trek 4 coming.

      Here’s the thing, there are certainly “hater” fans that hate everything and annoying fans that are vocal but dont get it. But the majority of fans love Star Trek even when its bad. But saying its bad and WANTING better doesnt make us bad fans. It makes us fans that want the best Trek we can get. Why shouldn’t we get that? Dont we deserve it?

  • Steven Smith

    NOOOOOOOO…just let it die!