Each week that I have sat down to watch Star Trek: Discovery and write down all of its calbacks to the previous Star Trek canon I believe the list is surely going to be shorter than the week before – but this is not that week!

“Choose Your Pain” was chocked full of fun references and shout outs to Star Trek of old, the return of a memorable foil from the Original Series, one Harcourt Fenton Mudd.

1. Discovery’s War Record

While being grilled by the admiralty as part of a strategy session, Captain Lorca recounts the victories of the USS Discovery since the spore drive was brought online: “In less than three weeks, the Discovery has prevented the destruction of the dilithium mines at Corvan II, broken the Klingon supply lines at Benzar, and routed an attack through the Ophiucus system.”

Corvan II was of course seen in last week’s “The Butcher’s Knife…”, but the other planets are right from Trek’s past as well.

Benzar is the homeworld of the Benzites, who have appeared several times in Star Trek, most prominently in the Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes “Coming of Age” and “A Matter of Honor.”

The residents of Ophiucus III were name-dropped in the Original Series episode “Mudd’s Women” as having done business with Mudd.

2. “No, I’m from Iowa.”

Admiral Cornwell says that the Starfleet facility in Jefferson, Iowa has been provided the specs for the spore drive, in anticipation of building (likely) more Crossfield-class starships to supplement Discovery. In Star Trek ’09, the USS Enterprise is under construction on the ground at the Riverside Shipyard in Riverside, Iowa, approximately 180 miles from Jefferson — and of course, Iowa is the home of one James T. Kirk.

3. Klingon D7 Battlecruiser

The Klingon ship that abducts Captain Lorca is identified by the shuttle as a D7 battlecruiser, likely a forerunner to the D7 that appeared in the Original Series, though appears to share few design similarities.

4. The Captains of Canon

In an attempt to self-evaluate his performance as acting captain, Saru asks the computer to list Starfleet’s most decorated captains.

In addition to the dearly-departed Philippa Georgiou, the list includes Captain Robert April, who previously had only been seen in The Animated Series and now fully enters canon; Captain Jonathan Archer, who commanded Enterprise NX-01 in “Star Trek: Enterprise”; Captain Matthew Decker, later seen as a Commodore in “The Doomsday Machine”; and the current captain of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701, Captain Christopher Pike.

5. Harry, for Short

Captain Lorca comes face to face with trader Harcourt Fenton Mudd in Klingon captivity.

Mudd, who references his wife Stella, shares a number of similar tics and flourishes to the character’s previous appearances in “Mudd’s Women” and “I, Mudd,” and the same roguish streak that would lead him to a life of crime 10 years later when he is encountered by Captain Kirk and crew.

6. Boldly Going, Etc.

Spoken by Mudd as part of his criticism of Starfleet’s philosophy, the use of the term of “to boldly go where no one has gone before” has been heard twice before outside of the famous Star Trek voiceover – by Zefram Cochrane in the Enterprise pilot “Broken Bow” (to whom the line is likely originally credited in-universe), and Captain Kirk in his final log entry in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.

It was also seen – using the classic Trek “no man” phrasing – on a plaque in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

7. The Right Number of Organs

When Lorca is taunting L’Rell about her sexual relationship with the captured Ash Tyler, he makes reference to humans not having “the right number of organs” for her.

While there’s never been any canon commentary about a Klingon’s reproductive system, we do know from discussions in the Next Generation and Star Trek Voyager that Klingon anatomy is full of redundancy, with members of the species having twenty-three ribs, two livers, an eight-chambered heart, three lungs, and even redundant neural function as well as multiple stomachs.

8. “Do you want this to become violent?”

According to the Stamet’s testing monitor, Zaldan DNA is incompatible with the tardigrade genes that allow it to access the mycelial network and travel across the universe.

Wesley Crusher encountered a Zaldan as part of his Starfleet Academy entrance exams in the Next Generation episode “Coming of Age,” with the webbed-fingered species thriving on insults and confrontation.

9. The Daystrom Institute

Cadet Tilly recommends accessing the secure database at the Daystrom Institute to keep searching for compatible matches to tardigrade DNA.

The Institute, named for noted scientist Dr. Richard Daystrom, was previously only referenced in association with the 24th century shows, but apparently also exists in the 23rd century while Daystrom is still alive and active.

Rather than being named for Daystrom as many have speculated over the years, it seems that it may have been founded by the scientist himself.

10. “Eugenics experiments are forbidden!”

While human DNA is apparently compatible with the tardigrade’s genes, it is mentioned that genetic manipulation is forbidden on Earth, long-established in Trek canon from the Original Series through Star Trek: Enterprise.

This is a reference to the Eugenics Wars and Khan Noonien Singh, who at this point in the timeline is still in cryo-sleep adrift in the SS Botany Bay.

11. USS Buran

Captain Lorca’s previous command before the USS Discovery was the USS Buran, named for a failed experiment during the Soviet Union with developing a Russian version of the United States’ space shuttle.

Though it is never legible on screen nor called out in the dialogue, a later ship called USS Buran would meet with a similar fate to Lorca’s ship… destroyed at the Battle of Wolf 359.

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In addition to all these tips-of-the-cap to Trek past, there was one massive source of historical references in a Starfleet map of the Klingon front, showing off a plethora of well-known locations throughout the galaxy – right out of Geoffrey Mandel’s Star Trek: Star Charts map reference book.

  • Rura Penthe – The Klingon prison planet most prominently seen in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country and the Enterprise episode “Judgment.”
     
  • Morska – The location of the Klingon outpost that interrogated the Enterprise as it tried to surreptitiously cross Klingon space to rescue Captain Kirk from Rura Penthe in The Undiscovered Country.
     
  • Mempa – The site of a major battle during the Klingon Civil War seen in Star Trek: The Next Generation episode “Redemption, Part II.”
     
  • Beta Lankal – Another strategic location referenced during the Klingon Civil War during The Next Generation episode “Redemption, Part II.”
     
  • Khitomer – The eventual location of the signing of the Klingon/Federation peace treaty known as the Khitomer Accords, and the site of the peace summit featured in the final act of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.
     
  • Station K-7 – A starbase near the Klingon border visited by the Enterprise in “The Trouble With Tribbles.”
     
  • Acamar – A non-Federation world near the Klingon border visited by the Enterprise-D in the episode “The Vengeance Factor.” The Gatherers, a nomadic race of Acamarians who resist the global peace on the planet, will harass Federation worlds and possessions in the 24th century before the Enterprise intervenes.
     
  • Starbase 157 – In the 24th century, Starbase 157 receives the final distress call of the starship Lalo, which was under attack by the Borg in The Next Generation episode “The Best of Both Worlds, Part I.”

We can’t wait to see what else Star Trek: Discovery’s writers bring to the table in this weekend’s new episode, “Lethe.” Keep your eyes peeled for more canon connections in the future!

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  • Dwight Williams

    So three-digit starbases are going to be a fact of life in the DSC era. But, then, there’s that reference to SB 200 in TOS: “The Alternative Factor”. So…

    Sidebar note: I’d love to see close-ups of the other maps in that SB 28 compartment…

    • Starshipdown

      It would seem strange to me, given how vast space really is, that there aren’t at least a thousand starbases in the mid-23rd century, and I wouldn’t be unhappy hearing a starbase number in the high single-digit thousand range.

  • Dreameroutthere

    Uh. The Enterprise C was destroyed at Narendra III not Khitomer. Yeah.

    • Alex Perry

      “You say portabello, I say portabeullah.”

      But yes, you’re totally right. Brain fart!

  • Thomas Elkins

    “The Institute, name for noted scientist Dr. Richard Daystrom, was previously only referenced in association with the 24th century shows, but apparently also exists in the 22nd century while Daystrom is still alive and active.”

    Correction: 23rd Century. Also I don’t think it’s wrong for the Institute to already be named after Daystrom. It’s important to know that Richard Daystrom was already super famous by the time he appeared in “The Ultimate Computer”. In 2243 he had invented the duotronic computer, which was considered a huge breakthrough and is the main computer system used by Federation ships at the time. Despite that he ended up feeling underappreciated by his peers and spent the rest of his time attempting to out do himself. It’s possible he created the Daystrom Institute sometime between 2243 and 2256 and it was there that he attempted to build the multitronic computer.

    • AmiRami

      makes perfect sense to me.

  • Dreameroutthere

    http://anas-tronaut.blogspot.ca/2017/10/star-trek-discovery-tardigrades.html

    This just came to my attention. If this is true, this is very sad indeed. o.0

    • Christian Freitag

      That would be really impertinent. Of course, there are the Tardigrades and it is also not uncommon for Discovery to come up with a gay couple and an Afro-American actress. BUT: That all these “randomly” almost look the same – the homosexual couple, the main actress AND the thing with the “monster” (blue sparkles etc.) – all in one single show – this can not be a coincidence. Ultimately, these beings are rather unknown and they have hardly appeared on television so far. I think that some of the makers have seen this game and have “served” themselves there…

      • Edgar Pinecone

        The homosexual couple do not look the same. One is named Aziz, (who arguably resembles Culber) and the other is Ty, who looks absolutely nothing like Stamets. The closest one to Stamets is Maciek (who is a totally unrelated character), and even then it’s a pretty big stretch.

        • TUP

          Yeah, its one of those things that if you loom for similarities you can fine it. A black woman looks like another black woman. Oh no!

          But the Tardigrade stuff…well, hopefully, Fuller didnt rip this off or else CBS Legal is going to be doing some work…

          • Dwight Williams

            Tardigrades being a real thing found via microscopic imaging technologies, CBS and Paramount’s lawyers aren’t going to worry overmuch about it. They can’t trademark the lifeform itself, just this particular macroscopic edition.

      • candelarius

        Agreed.

    • candelarius

      Wow. Good luck DIS explaining this away, they totally ripped off this guy’s creation. The tardigrades would be bad enough, but the characters, too? Terrible!

      • TUP

        Which characters? The black female? Did this guy invent black women?

        • Quintillion Tesla

          Exactly. They say the “Yolanda” character is from 20, 000 BC ( I think ) and is not even the same character who has a connection with the Tardigrade in the game.
          So suggesting that Burnham is a rip-off in this respect is a stretch.

      • Perplexum

        I’d give them the Tardigrade, maybe. It is commonly known that the Tardigrade can survive in the vakuum of space. NASA experimented with them on the ISS and you can read the story on every bigger news paper. So I give DIS the benefit of the doubt that both parties were inspired by it independently.

    • Quonk

      To be fair space-faring tardigrades have been a “meme” of sorts for quite a while now. But some of the similarities do indeed seem to go beyond mere coincidence…

      • candelarius

        References? I’ve never heard of spaces-faring tardigrades until DIS.

        • Quonk
        • Locutus

          Well, it is real science fact:

          “In 2007, a group of European researchers pushed the resilience of this extraordinary animal even further, exposing a sample of dehydrated tardigrades to the vacuum and solar radiation of outer space for 10 full days. When the specimens were returned to earth and rehydrated, 68 percent of those that were shielded from the radiation survived, and even a handful of those with no radiation protection came back to life and produced viable offspring.” (Smithsonian Magazine)

          If you are going to show a creature survive the vacuum of space, there’s only one to choose from!

    • AmiRami

      Holly SH^&!!!!

    • GIBBS v2

      Wow. I am typically the last guy to say it in an over zealous sue everybody world but he definitely needs to lawyer up.

      • TUP

        Well Discovery whiners would complain incessantly if they found out Kurtzman left the toilet seat up at the CBS staff crapper. But this really has nothing to do with complaining about Discovery.

        If Fuller saw the idea and used it, then its a legal/business matter. Has nothing to do with the quality of the TV show

        • Quintillion Tesla

          The sad thing is, this WILL be used as ammunition by the haters. I am seeing it already. I am expecting Midnight’s Edge will probably revel in this story no doubt.

          • candelarius

            What’s with the use of the word “hater” around here? Anybody who doesn’t like DIS is now a “hater”, really? Give me a break.

          • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

            Well said, these guys are really over the top

        • GIBBS v2

          The show is amazing, I love it. It just saddens me to discover, one of the most original aspects of the show may have been borrowed.

          Thats pretty damn funny about the toilet seat.

          • TUP

            True. it would be pretty damning if Fuller stole the idea. If he did see that game and liked the idea, nothing stopping him from licensing it.

            But, given the idea of Tardigrades and space is not entirely original, its possible its a case of two similar ideas developed independent of each other.

          • Quintillion Tesla

            Yes, there are many articles and youtube videos going way back demonstrating how the Tardigrades might survive in Space ( and may even originate from Space if we stretch the speculation ).

            Likely both the Tardigrade game and DSC delved into these sources.

          • Perplexum

            They definitely read up about it. The original Tardigrade can fall into a stasis by loosing most of its body fluids too. And 1/5th of its genome is borrowed genes from algea or, yep, fungi via gene transfer.

            It’s f-ing cool.

          • Snap

            That’s true, but there’s a huge difference between licensing a concept and owning it outright. Licenses expire and just because a company is CBS or the property is Star Trek does not mean that the license HAS to be renewed. That means there could come a time, if this IS a concept not owned by CBS, that Discovery cannot be legally sold on DVD/Blu-ray or broadcast on linear or streaming services.

            As Star Trek fans, out compulsion is to support the Star Trek production team and it is a bit sad when you realize that the article was created so the developer could prove that HE didn’t steal from Discovery.

            There are some clear differences, particularly that it is the tardigrade itself which provides the travel and not a spore drive using a tardigrade as the navigator, while I feel the comparisons between the blue swirl effects are primarily superficial. Blue has long been a colour associated with the Federation in Star Trek, with post-TOS transporters typically involving a blue effect. Blue is also a pleasant, cool colour which lends itself to a wide variety of properties, from Star Trek to Star Wars among others.

            Objectively speaking, with only what I have seen in the article as well as the linked videos, the game and Discovery appear to be two distinct concepts which happened to involve a tardigrade to some degree. So Discovery has a black woman in the cast, Star Trek has had black women in the cast since TOS and also cannot claim ownership of the concept of a black woman while a mixed race gay couple cannot be unique to either the game nor Star Trek, so neither would have any legal grounds to contest such a use.

            Is the concept of the tardigrade reasonably different between the two projects? Considering the game has the tardigrade as the apparently willing travel mechanic and Discovery had the tardigrade as an unwilling participant, being harmed by the process, I would have to say they are different concepts. The only part which could be called into question is when the tardigrade is released into space, rehydrates itself and warps away.

    • Quintillion Tesla

      On After Trek, the producers explain that they originally had the Tardigrade as a Bridge officer named “Ephraim”, but due to week-on-week budgetary constraints, they changed the Tardigrade’s role on the show.

      Clearly then, this would suggest that the issue is a coincidence.

    • Locutus

      While interesting, I hardly think it is damning. Both creators are utilizing the fact that tardigrades can survive in space. But how many known living creatures can you say that about? It is possible for artists to arrive at a similar concept independently.

      The video game designer would lose a copyright suit. First of all, there is no evidence the video game producer copyrighted his material, so it might be fair game. More importantly, the tardigrade concept is substantially different in ST: Discovery. We would not say that a videogame featuring a Dyson Sphere infringed on Star Trek’s property rights in “Relics.” Tardigrades in space is a sci-fi trope. Moreover, having similar likenesses in characters is not that big a deal since the characters are VERY different. I don’t even think they are that similar looking.

    • Victorinox

      It looks to me like Tardigrades became popular after the very succesful Cosmos TV remake featuring Neil Degrasse Tyson.

      This link is hardly proof that Star Trek writers copied anything. Plus the rest of the “coincidences” are not even worth mentioning. “I have a black lady”, “I have gay couple too”, or “My gay couple is between a brown and a white person too”. Come on…

  • This is a cool list. I did not catch all of these for sure.

  • Stephan Janssen

    Did anyone notice when they said something like: “this is providing it with an ALL ACCESS pass to travel with the spores” ? Could be an injoke.

    • AmiRami

      I wouldn’t put it past them!

  • Perplexum

    You can hardly count the D-7. It was as bad an easter egg as Delta Vega in Star Trek 09. Maybe they ovdero it a bit with squeezing in those references everywhere.

    • candelarius

      Since they’ve blown canon out the airlock, they have to stretch to somehow connect the show back to real Star Trek…

      • They have bareily touched canon.

        • GummyHoops

          You’re right, they’ve barely made any effort to make this show seem canon.

    • AmiRami

      I don’t mind a lot of what DIS changed but ya their “D-7” is not a “D-7”. They should have called it like a D-5 or something to reflect this is a much different and older ship.

      • The shape would still not be the same. Like it or not, thos is a D7 now.

    • Brian_Brodrick

      It’s an obvious mistake as the ship is referred to as a “prison ship” and “Bird of Prey” as well, too, which means that only one of them can be right. I’d bet that by the time the first season goes out on DVD, someone will go back and redo the computer graphic identifying the prison ship as a D-7.

    • But it is a D7, you do not have to like it.

      • Snap

        I have to disagree on this point. I liken it to making a series taking place in World War II featuring the actions of the USS Enterprise CV-6 aircraft carrier but depicting it as a Ford supercarrier, yet having it described as a Yorktown carrier.

        As the Federation President said in Star Trek VI :Just because we can do a thing, does not mean that we must do that thing.” Just because the producers can change whatever they want to, does not mean that they must. They have changed far too much about the Klingons to make them a familiar Star Trek race. Except for the language and head ridges they have, unfortunately, become as generic as they can be.

        • No, is nothing like that. Using the d D7 would be like haing a pre WWI ship as the CV 6. This is not real life, its not history. The look needs to fit with DSCs look and TOS does not, bot in any way.

          This is the D7. You can dislike it, but that will not change the fact it is a D7. Its not yhe TOS or old ztyle look, but it is the D7

          • Snap

            How is it any different, though? Who cares if it is real life, I could just as easily “rewrite history” as the producers of Star Trek are doing with the Klingons. In terms of the Star Trek universe, what we have seen of the D-7 in every other series IS “real life.” If looks are not canon, then I could use a Ford supercarrier in place of a Yorktown should I decide it is better for my production.

            I do agree that the look needs to be updated, but the D-7 just needs updated detailing to hold up to modern production values. Change its colour from grey to green and add the Klingon version of aztecking to the hull and you have something which looks good and very Klingon.

            At the very least, though, it’s not completely ridiculous like the cheap video game looking “dragonfly” inspired raiders from the last episode. That was just embarrassingly bad and not Klingon at all. It’s reminiscent of the ships from the original Battlestar Galactica (I cannot recall its name) where you just see the actors from the same angle as it is jostled around. It’s the only production related issue I will really criticise Discovery on, it did not look good at all.

          • Looks are not canon. The D7 is a klingon ship, so when they updated the look, just like they will the enterprise, they still call it what it is.

            This is the D7 and at long last it looks klingon.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Okay, I’m fairly pro-Disco, but what are you going on about? “At long last it looks Klingon.” Uh… what exactly did it look before?

            My opinion? I think it’s a silly change, like just about all of the Klingon things, but it doesn’t bother me in any particular way.

          • Its not what I would have done, but it screams klingon. It looks like the Vor,cha without a neck. Before, it looked human, it would have fit right in with the other human ships.

            Klingons dod bot start getting thier on look until the bird of prey, which was ment to be romulan!

          • Snap

            I don’t really agree that it looked “human” before. It was distinctly Klingon. The only part which looked, shall I say, homogenous, was the grey colour of the hull. The Romulan Bird of Prey also had this issue, until the TNG era where the Romulans oddly took to having green ships just like the Klingons, despite the two hating each other.

            We never saw the interior of a Klingon version of the D-7 and when they showed the Romulan version during “The Enterprise Incident” they redressed the standing Enterprise sets to stand in, which would account for the “human” feeling of that ship. The end result of having a dwindling budget.

            Nonetheless, the D-7 originated the look which would dominate the Klingon aesthetic for their entire pre-Discovery history. It has the main body with the nacelles beneath and a command section at the end of a long neck. Ships like the Vor;cha class and the Negh’Var class were an evolution of the aesthetic just like Starfleet ships went from the Constitution class to the Sovereign class.

          • To each his own man, the D7 of TOS to me is so starfleet looking its not funny, they even have TMP style Federation Nacells. Really, it just shows how narrow the ship direction in TOS was. Trek has always reused sets, I was not talking about the inside. Because, sweet gods did they reused sets.

            I do not see the D7 as dominating, it was reused because budget over and over. But to me its not an iconic klingon look. They really did not get their own style until SFS, and that was meant to be Romulan lol.

            Funny ya mentioned them, but the Vor’cha and Negh”var are clear inspiration for the new D7. That was the body style that started to give its own look. And its the style the new D7 reflects.

          • Snap

            By “dominating” I meant that the composition of the ship set the appearance for how Klingon ships would look. No matter which Klingon ship you take, they all have that general composition. The shape of the command section changes, though it remains at the end of a neck and the nacelles protrude from the side of the secondary hull. In the case of the Vor’cha, they are angled downward, though not as severe as with the D-7 and with the Negh’Var they are integrated into the secondary hull, though there are a pair of protruding sections on the underside.

            It’s like how the Constitution class set the look for many Starfleet ships, especially those which would become the Enterprise. The only variation to the basic composition of the Enterprise was the Galaxy class and that was a very banal issue where the nacelles protruded forward as opposed to backwards, otherwise all Enterprises would feature a secondary hull with two nacelles situated above and a saucer connected to the secondary hull with a neck. The Sovereign class streamlined the neck so it is practically nonexistent but, when it came to the Enterprise, the Constitution class clearly dominated how an Enterprise would look, despite the future classes being vastly different and the saucer changing from circular to an oval.

            It just shows the evolution of ship design from the 23rd century onward and how said ship design tended to follow familiar themes. Starfleet, though, has tended to have more variation in their ships than their alien counterparts.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            While I don’t really care in the grand scheme of things, I think its a little unfair though to completely dismiss the work of the designers on TOS and to suggest that the models we’ve seen in 50 years of Star Trek just don’t exist anymore. Its a rather dismissive standpoint and I’m not a fan of that.

            I also think its really unfair to suggest this new ship screams Klingon when you suggest that the ship (from TOS) that originated the entire basis for that design scheme doesn’t? Yeah, that logic doesn’t track.

            There is another explanation (as Trek fans we are want to do): D7 (or D-7, whatever) is a type of ship that is based on size. The class then can be broken down (amongst others) into a (insert Klingon name here) Class D7 Prison Barge (like we see in Discovery) and the K’Tinga Class D7 Battlecruiser (like we see in every other incarnation of Star Trek ever).

            Just a thought.

          • Snap

            Make no mistake, I’m not saying that you have to agree. Yes, it is the D-7 when it comes to Discovery, and anybody who likes the changes done to the Klingons have every right to embrace them.

            But if the expectation is for those of us who do not like the changes to just “get over it” and accept that what we have seen in all of the other series is invalid, hell no that’s not going to happen, nor should it. The past 50 years of Trek aren’t going anywhere and no matter what Discovery does it’s not going to change anything about it. Just like Enterprise or any other prequel series, what came before works perfectly well without it and we’re all free to choose whether or not we accept what the series brings. Conversely, if people don’t like TOS or any of the other Trek series, they can ignore them if they choose but we don’t have the right to impose our views on anybody else.

            In terms of Discovery itself, I have a generally positive outlook. I don’t like everything about it, then again I don’t like absolutely everything about any of the Trek series.

          • Just as you have to get over them tossing the TOS ship in the trash with TMP man. Moving forward, unless something changes this is the D7. In a few years when you google “D7” this is gonna pop up as it is the D7.

            Nothing that came before is “Invalid” it was simply a diff art direction and a diff time. In those shows those are D7’s. Looks change, and honestly the D7s never looked remotely klingon. I guessed they worked with brown face humans and really should have been left behind like the TOs connie and the brownface.

            I am not saying anyone has to “Like” the D7, I am not sure I like it as they don’t give us enough of a damned shot. But people claiming “That is not a D7” is not helpful and not truthful as it is the D7. Now saying “I really hate what they did to the D7” is both honest and truthful.

          • Snap

            The argument of TMP just leads to conflict as happened earlier, which doesn’t make sense to me especially considering they actually say in dialogue more than once that is is practically a new ship.

            It’s obvious to anybody except, strangely enough, the Enterprise computer that it is not the original Constitution class ship from the TV series. The difference with TMP is that despite the updates made to the look of the ship, it is easy to look at the exterior of the ship and see it as an upgraded form of the Enterprise. The interiors may be completely different, which is evident when Kirk needed to ask a crewmember where a specific turbolift was.

            The biggest difference, though, is the TMP Enterprise was not being played off as how the Enterprise always was. TMP wasn’t saying that was the version of the ship which Christopher Pike commanded or even the ship which Kirk commanded during his five year mission. It had been taken out of service to undergo redesign and refit and was now Decker’s Enterprise with the only aspect truly familiar through the upgrades being the transporter room and basic bridge layout.

            I don’t understand the argument you make with it as I doubt there is anybody who is claiming it is the exact same ship from the TV series but if we’re going to accept warp speed and molecular transmission, it is plausible that the TOS Enterprise was refit into the TMP Enterprise.

          • Starshipdown

            “How is it any different, though? Who cares if it is real life, I could just as easily “rewrite history” as the producers of Star Trek are doing with the Klingons. In terms of the Star Trek universe, what we have seen of the D-7 in every other series IS “real life.” If looks are not canon, then I could use a Ford supercarrier in place of a Yorktown should I decide it is better for my production. In fact, it has already been done in a Star Trek production, the Enterprise-class Enterprise was portrayed by the Forrestal-class Ranger in Star Trek V. ”

            This analogy doesn’t quite hold up when one considers the production of a TV series or major movie franchises. In this case, the 1960s ships are starting to show very serious signs of Zeerust inside and out and there’s very little you can do to keep justifying it, most especially because this is supposed to be centuries in the future.

            Another thing to consider and has already been pointed out, the ship was first IDed as a D-7 by the computer, but later it was called generically a “prison ship” and then by Saru as a “Bird of Prey”. A BOP is a very specific class of ship, even in this visual rebooted series and so it cannot be two different or even three different ships, really. So I’m firmly with the opinion that there was a miscommunication post-production and the ship was meant to be something by way of them using different names. So the D-7 reference could be completely struck by the time this goes to DVD in a year or so.

          • Perplexum

            Then plain and simple don’t call it D7. There is no need for that.

          • But is is now the D7.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            That made little sense to me. Unless a D-7 is a type of ship with several classes in it. This prison ship being one. The K’Tinga (the name of the D-7 in TMP and beyond) being another.

            I don’t know. Just trying to rationalize — like we Trekkies always do.

          • Starshipdown

            Is a D-7 also a Bird of Prey? ‘Cause that’s what Saru called it.

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Yeah, this kinda proves you missed my point. Mistakes happen. Explain it away if you have to. Otherwise, don’t get focused on the minutae because it’ll drive you insane.

          • Starshipdown

            Is a D-7 also a Bird of Prey? ‘Cause that’s what Saru called it.

          • Darkthunder

            “its not history”, getting tired of this argument being used by anyone defending this trash heap. It may not be real-life history, but it damn sure is STAR TREK history. The D-7 in this episode, was NOT a D-7. Not a chance in hell. And I don’t care what producers say either, this is not PRIME universe.

            If they end up redesigning the Constitution Class in this show, I’m getting a ticket to the US, and bombing CBS HQ.

  • Trent

    Isn’t Rura Penthe a little close to the border ?
    I always thought it was deep in Klingon territory ,at least the impression that was given in St-6.

    • It could be deeper after the war. But the maps they are using seem to be from the stsr charts book.

      • Eric Cheung

        Can’t be too much deeper, unless Starbase K-7 changes hands…

        • Good point, put really it was a back end of klingon space, that does not mean it was far from fed space.

    • Starshipdown

      That prison ship is the “D-7” is the “Bird of Prey”.

    • Michael Diehl

      With careful examination of the “facts” it would seem that the border of the Klingon Empire changed over the centuries. in the 22nd Century (Enterprise) until the mid-23rd it seems that the Klingon pushed their boundaries much deeper into what we would consider Federation space. (We see on the chart in Lorca’s office that the Archanis sector is in Klingon space and we know that it will belong to the Federation by 2272.) There wouldn’t be any official “borderline” since there was no treatise with UFP and the Empire; the Klingon philosophy was expand and conquer and surely claimed any system within sensor range theirs. Then after the Organian treaty there seems to be more definable boundaries between the powers with K-7 being a site of demarcation. There were also several mentions of a Klingon neutral zone. It was probably this Zone which made Rura Penthe appear deeper into Kingon Space in STVI. (Also the Morska listening post which, according to Lorca’s chart, was once deeper into Klingon space now seems to be on the outer border in TUC. So while the boundaries between the UFP and the Empire were stabilized, I believe the Klingons were now instead encroaching into Romulan space, testing the limits of their tenuous alliance. This ultimately lead to the Narendra sneak attack and the Khitomer massacre and its subsequent accords. This, along with the destruction of Praxis and the supposed evacuation of the now-uninhabitable “former” homeworld to the “new” Qo’Nos lead to a new border. (And if we look at the chart in “Sins of the Father”, Khitomer would ultimately become a Romulan system by 2369). The Khitomer Accords dissolved much of the Organian Treaty and the Klingon Neutral Zone and the Klingons officially relinquished their claim on Archanis. I think the Empire became smaller and more consolidated as a necessity (as suggested in TUC) and many of the planets in the former NZ became Federation colonies, although a Klingon presence was granted (like that on Kessik), especially by the time the Treaty of Alliance was established.

  • Fiery Little One

    I think one of the few things I honestly missed was the Zaldan bit.

  • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

    I’d call this lazy fanservice but they only use the names, unrecognizable otherwise.

  • Snap

    The “to boldly go” bit isn’t entirely accurate as Zefram Cochrane never said “to boldly go where no man has gone before,” rather he said the similarly phrased “to go boldly, where no man has gone before.”

    The exact term “To boldly go where no man has gone before” comes from the dedication plaques of starships named Enterprise, while Kirk’s use was also a connection in itself to bridge the transition from the TOS crew to the TNG crew in the movies.

    It’s kinda funny looking back how people expected Deep Space Nine and Voyager to also have their own series of movies, just because they were Star Trek series.

  • jurassicbond

    The first one would make more sense if this were set in the alternate timeline. Starfleet has nothing in Iowa in the Prime Timeline. Just sounds like this is a Trek mainly for the watchers of the Kelvin Timeline films.

    • Dwight Williams

      We don’t know that.

      • jurassicbond

        It’s never been mentioned before except in the JJ films.

        • Dwight Williams

          Exactly my point.

  • Robert Anthony

    The “Captains of Canon” list made my heart brim. As did the toothbrushing scene. I’m loving Discovery. It’s everything Trek needs to be right now, despite the fucking with the Klingons and their ships.