Star Trek: Discovery comes to a compelling if somewhat predictable mid-season conclusion as the ship and crew find themselves somewhere after hacking the Klingon’s cloaking capabilities, destroying the sarcophagus Klingon ship, rescuing Admiral Cornwell, and taking one last failed spore-jump to Starbase 46.

I’m going to forego a more lengthy synopsis and just go ahead and address the elephant in the room, and the identity of Lt. Ash Tyler. Many fans have decried the theory of Tyler-is-Voq as something akin to a spoiler alert; in truth, it has been nothing more than just that – a theory, and a pretty compelling one given the clues.

And although “Into the Forest I Go” doesn’t resolve the theory directly, it certainly lends more meat to it, especially given the mysterious abuse flashbacks, L’Rell’s expected reunion with him, and her vow to “never let them hurt you” when Tyler asks her, “What did you do to me?”

One could certainly argue that Tyler’s PTSD flashbacks when confronting L’Rell revealed nothing more than moments of torture, and not body-altering surgery. But one has to ask: if Tyler was so cherished by L’Rell during his captivity, why would she allow him to be pointlessly and dangerously mutilated, as those flashbacks seem to indicate, unless there was some purpose to it all.

Ash Tyler (Shazad Latif) falls stunned before L’Rell (Mary Chieffo). (CBS)

The show to this point has continued to raise more questions than answer, which makes it as much a frustrating experience to watch as a captivating one. It’s at least clear now, with L’Rell aboard Discovery as a prisoner (or defector), we’ll be heading down a path to better understanding Tyler and who he is.

The writers have taken great pains to keep L’Rell front-and-center in the Klingon portion of the story. Now that’s she finally aboard Discovery (something that she wanted anyway, lest we forget), it would be an awful waste not to have her reunion with Tyler really mean something in the overall story. And, too, unlike other well-perched characters up to now (Georgiou, Landry, Kol), L’Rell has been able to escape certain death on more than one occasion. She’s been shot twice and imprisoned for offenses and is still chugging along. There has to be reason for that.

Honestly, when it comes to Tyler, I’d be content at this point if he turns out to be exactly what he is – just Ash Tyler. He’s proven himself to be a wonderful companion for Michael Burnham. His intimate scene with Burnham where he describes his experiences as L’Rell’s prisoner is one of the best the show has given us, owing in no small way to the superb performances of both Shazad Latif and Sonequa Martin-Green.

To this point, Discovery has been lean and plot-focused with few incidental character scenes. Burnham and Tyler have provided heart to what is essentially a dark and nervous show. It would be a shame to lose that for the sake of a buzz-worthy plot twist.

Lorca (Jason Isaacs) stares at the Klingon Ship of the Dead. (CBS)

Jason Isaacs continues to play Lorca with precision and Lorca’s talents as a manipulator are evident. For a show that advertised itself early on as one that would not be captain-focused, Discovery has been remarkably interested in Lorca. When Lorca is called to Starbase 54 to accept the Legion of Honor for his work destroying the sarcophagus ship and protecting the Pahvans, one has to wonder if Lorca even trusts his superiors at this point — especially given Cornwell’s earlier threats to relieve him of command — and may even welcome the “unexpected” detour into an alternate reality.

And it can’t be just coincidence that we got a close-up of Lorca monkeying around with the spore drive coordinates just as the Discovery took its last jump of the episode.

For all its terrific character moments – of which Discovery has never been in short supply – “Into the Forest I Go,” as an action episode, is frustratingly flat. What should have been a tense nail-bitter of a show is undone by some fairly pedestrian directing, especially aboard the Klingon ship, and a surprisingly subdued musical score.

Let’s hope that Discovery doesn’t settle into the feared whole-note approach to scoring that became something of an affliction during the series’ Rick Berman era.

Culber (Wilson Cruz) cautions Lorca about Stamets’ (Anthony Rapp) condition. (CBS)

By moving Discovery away from the Klingon war, at least temporarily, and into a Voyager-like uncharted realm, as shown at the episode’s conclusion, Discovery is finally taking flight with the promise of exploration and compelling encounters.

The final debris-field scene may not have offered the kind of eye-popping visuals to merit a cliffhanger, but it – along with all the show’s unresolved mysteries – do keep you wondering what will happen next.

Star Trek: Discovery returns January 7 with “Despite Yourself.” Watch for our Canon Connections for “Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum” and “Into the Forest I Go” this week, and keep checking back to TrekCore throughout the hiatus for more Star Trek: Discovery coverage!

  • SpaceCadet

    Why is there no one in the brig to monitor L’Rell and any potential visitors? Bad security! Bad!

    • Nick

      Ask Odo what he thinks of Federation security….ie) When he confronts Worf on his lack of security on the Enterprise.

      • SpaceCadet

        Odo had a point!

        • prometheus59650

          Worf pretty much sucked as a Security Chief, Klingon, and father.

          So…perfect record.

    • Paweł Ausir Dembowski

      To be fair, Ash is the chief of security.

      • SpaceCadet

        Yes, but he wasn’t on duty! And usually there’s a security officer on duty manning the brig, or at least there was in the other series.

        • Paweł Ausir Dembowski

          He could have dismissed them though.

          • SpaceCadet

            Yes, but he was basically in his pajamas. Surely the guard on duty would have been a little suspicious.

  • Eric Watson

    The badge as a dogtag was a neat idea.

    I think this series would work better if it was released all in one shot. Then we could judge the whole thing. Only getting a bit of the puzzle each week is very frustrating. It was fine when it was more episodic in past shows to wait week to week. It is going to kill me to wait until January.

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    • kadajawi

      But we manage to watch Game of Thrones, which is much more serialized and connected, on a weekly basis. DSC is a rather episodic show IMHO.

      To be honest I’m perfectly fine with waiting a month or two for the next episode, it’s just not gripping enough, and I’ve got Orville and Punisher to pull me through until then.

      • Eric Watson

        Not me. I wait for full seasons of GOT. I haven’t had cable or satalite TV in a decade. If the whole season isn’t out, I wait. I am such a Trekkie I don’t have the willpower to wait!

  • SpaceCadet

    Lorca’s got a booty on him! Nice!

    • Captain Lorca, Section 31

      Thank you.

      • SpaceCadet

        You’re welcome. I was like “damn!”

  • Thomas Elkins

    “She’s been shot twice and imprisoned for offenses and is still chugging along. There has to be reason for that.”

    Poor writing. I mean Kol killed everyone else that he didn’t trust and yet he kept her alive. Why? He says he knows what she’s planning right to her face, but then like a James Bond villain he just locks her away instead of killing her right there on the spot. I’m not even sure what her plan is at this point. Voq was betrayed by Kol and left for dead so L’Rell is like, “I’ve got a plan for revenge” but then nothing came of it. Even if Tyler turns out to be Voq and this is her plan, what exactly has he done so far to further the revenge plot?

    He’s served aboard Discovery as an officer, but has he done anything specific that directly pushed the revenge plot forward? I can’t think of anything he’s done that directly helped L’Rell in any way. Sure he beamed aboard the Sarcophagus ship with Burnham, but then he suffered a PTSD moment and became completely useless. He didn’t really help kill Kol sweating on the floor and L’Rell was locked up so she didn’t get to kill Kol either.

    And did the actions of this episode basically turn the tide in the Federation’s favor? I know Voq and L’Rell hated Kol and wanted him dead, but I also thought they hated the Federation? They’re followers of T’Kuvma and the opening of this show was him rallying the Empire to war against the Federation. Voq himself was the torchbearer who made the call for war in T’Kuvma’s name. So why did they just help end it, or at least give the Federation the advantage in it?

    I can’t wait until they abandon this Klingon arc. They’ve completely ruined them and it’s hurting this show.

    “To this point, Discovery has been lean and plot-focused with few incidental character scenes.”

    This has been the show’s weakest link. I think they tried too hard to jump into an “epic” story arc, but the story has been incredibly weak. They needed more time for character development so we could learn something about these characters. War worked for Deep Space Nine because it wasn’t the first thing we saw. It took years for a full war to finally break out and we had seasons worth of character development so we cared for the characters by the time the war started.

    I liked “Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad” because it stepped away from the war and focused on the characters a bit more. We saw them unwind and relax. True they had a Mudd problem, but it gave them something to do that wasn’t Klingon related. We need more of that.

    “By moving Discovery away from the Klingon war, at least temporarily, and into a Voyager-like uncharted realm, as shown at the episode’s conclusion, Discovery is finally taking flight with the promise of exploration and compelling encounters.”

    Indeed. Star Trek: Sliders might actually be a good show.

    • Locutus

      I will say that DS9 did a far better job of depicting all the aspects of war than Discovery has. It does not ruin my enjoyment of the show, however.

      • kadajawi

        DS9 had 7 seasons of war. More or less. The first two seasons were around dealing with a war (more or less) that has just ended, while foreshadowing the next war. And then a cold war, that gets distracted by another war, to go back to the original cold war that turns very hot.

        Discovery had 9 episodes so far, and not all of them were about the war. Of course it can’t compete. It’s a missed opportunity. To be epic you need time. The 3, 4 episodes could have been pre-war. Don’t jump right into it. Drop the original pilot, as it’s not good. Show Burnham as a good officer, serving on a peaceful Federation ship. Doing exploration. Then episode 4 develops as a normal episode, some mystery stuff, and then we find out it’s the Klingons and they want war. Burnham can be a mutineer. Put her into prison, show her there for 1, 2 maybe 3 episodes as the war is going on. We could see how Lorca gets the Discovery, how he has to destroy his previous ship (it could be a sister ship to the Shenzhou), while the show occasionally shows Burnham in prison. Much more fighting. Lorca wrestling with Starfleet command, who don’t want to give him Michael. Show the losses of war. How they are dealing with it. The spore drive isn’t working. They can only make small jumps. Maybe Stamets and his counterpart on the other ship are discussing using the Tardigrade (why doesn’t Stamets know about it?). Stamets thinks it is amoral, and tries to hide the info from Lorca, who he thinks will absolutely want to use the tardigrade. There could be an entire episode discussing if it is ok to use the creature… Measures of a Man style. Lorca might be on the hunt for another tardigrade. At this point, maybe at the end of episode 7 or 8, Michael meets Lorca for the first time (we can have the prison transport stuff…), Cut, mid-season break.

        After the break we can play out the episodes as we have seen, but with more time. There’s time. Behind enemy lines missions. The Discovery saving the day occasionally, and at other times failing. Maybe an AR-558 episode? (Though that should probably come at a later point). Maybe the Andorians are a part of it all… they aren’t interested in joining the war, but the Federation tries to talk them into. At the end of season 1 the Federation is at the edge of defeat and desperate. Maybe there are talks of sending the Discovery on a suicide mission with minimum crew complement… armed with a bunch of warp cores etc. meant to blow up Qo’noS. Lorca wants to do it, Michael argues against it. That too many Klingons would survive, and they would be hellbent on revenge. There has to be a different way. Maybe there’s an arms race, the Federation developing new weapons technologies, new ships meant to fight the Klingons (some of which we already now). The Klingons too are ramping up production, developing new ships that are more streamlined and focused on fighting rather than on looking cool, with lots of ornaments. Maybe a part of season 1 part 2 or season 2 is Section 31 contacting Lorca, and he, unlike Bashir, is intrigued and willing. Season 2 may have episodes of the Discovery doing Section 31 missions. Sabotaging. Infecting. Intelligence missions. The possibilities are endless.

        All of this doesn’t mean the episodes have to be all about war, just like DS9 there can be other episodes in between. There’d always be the looming threat in the background, but still normal Star Trek episodes are possible.

        Maybe, just maybe at the end of season 2 the war arc may end. But in the middle of season 1?!

        Oh and of course fix the Klingons and drop the holograms.

        • Simon

          Seeing as we’ll probably have similar holograms by the next century (if not much sooner) why should they drop it? Because VFX technology was too primitive for the earlier shows?

          • Joe

            Because it’s a prequel, they chose this point time so the least they could do is respect the prime timeline they claim it is part of.
            Besides why do they use holograms beside it looking cool? If it is just controversial eye candy than why waste money on it at all?

          • Simon

            Were you angry at Buck Rogers (1979) or Flash Gordon (1980) for not looking like the 1930s serials? Fact is the’re working on holograms NOW. Don’t hold something to production values and tech from FIFTY PLUS YEARS AGO!

          • Joe

            I didn’t see either of the shows/films you named. Unless they are prequels, they are not relevant in this comparison.

            ST Prime is no longer possible continuation of reality because in reality there were no Eugenics Wars in 1992-1996 and there was allegedly no Star Trek show in ST Prime universe.

            If you want to do stuff based on something that wasn’t around (or wasn’t used in the series) in the time of the older shows just set it in the future of the universe like TNG did after TOS.

            ST Prime didn’t officially have holo-communication until DS9. I wouldn’t even mind this much myself if it was the only instance it strayed away from cannon.

  • Frank Pepito

    “For all its terrific character moments – of which Discovery has never been in short supply – “Into the Forest I Go,” as an action episode, is frustratingly flat. What should have been a tense nail-bitter of a show is undone by some fairly pedestrian directing, especially aboard the Klingon ship, and a surprisingly subdued musical score.”

    Whoa. We came at this episode from opposite points of view. My experience watching the first half was EXACTLY as “…a tense nail-bitter (sic) of a show…”. I even posted in the spoiler thread the empty bottle of scotch whiskey I finished after the show to calm my nerves. Ha ha! It’s a shame you didn’t enjoy the show as much as I did. I loved it! Both as a capper to the season so far and as a set up for the continuation of more of those questions you mentioned and hopefully many more answers.

    • julianna

      agreed (minus the whiskey!) and also, i loved the music – it did not overwhelm, but meshed perfectly with the scenes. i have only two quibbles – how did the long range sensors pick up the klingon ship coming into orbit if it was cloaked? and could those transmitters that they put on that ship have been any bigger, flashier, noisier, and obviously not klingon-tech? otherwise, from start to finish we were all riveted. cannot wait til jan and already fretting about when the season comes to an end and the l-o-n-g wait til season 2!

      • Frank Pepito

        I agree with your quibble about the sensor pick up. As I read that, I remembered my mind briefly questioning that moment during the episode before quickly dismissing it so I could keep up with the story. Ha ha! I think maybe I resolved in my mind by thinking this was an older edition of cloaking technology (older than we’d seen in TOS anyway) and the USS Discovery, as initially a science vessel, was better equipped with the latest and greatest in scientific hardware and thus able to penetrate their tech…? For the large transmitters, they did give me some anxiety, which is good as far as getting viewers nervous goes, and again, even in the future, perhaps we’re still seeing “older” and thus larger versions of tech that end up smaller as time goes by (Weren’t there similar, slimmer pattern enhancers shown on TNG?).

        • Nebula1701

          (Weren’t there similar, slimmer pattern enhancers shown on TNG?).


      • Husnock

        I assumed the Pahvo transmitter did actively relay where the Klingon ‘peace delegation’ was.

      • Shadowknight1

        I would imagine that the ship exiting subspace into a planetary system likely caused gravimetric readings that were easy to identify at long range, especially considering the immensity of the Sarcophagus ship. No cloaking device has been seen as “perfect” and this one probably has a pretty glaring weakness that prevents it from further being used and falling out of common knowledge until a lone Romulan Bird-of-Prey attacks several Starfleet outposts over a decade later.

  • Captain Lorca, Section 31

    Agent G. Lorca personal log:

    Now I can finally begin the real mission. The Discovery is now property of Section 31. I will release what my agents are guarding behind the door very soon. I will need those assets soon. We are now free to correct mistakes in time, in any universe. I still cannot tell Michael that in my universe where I just jumped the ship to, my actions caused her to die. When I arranged for what was considered the “prime” universe Burnham to be delivered to Discovery, I had to carefully hide my emotions on seeing her again. She will NOT die again. Not on my watch, not a second time.

    Let’s fix history. For the Federation.

    • GhostLoveScore

      Well, that’s more interesting than anything Discovery showed us so far.

  • Kevin Attwood

    I JUST LOVE IT! I don’t care what the detractors say, This show is brilliant! I have watched and owned every episode of Star Trek from the 60s ’til now. I love the way the writers are pushed to reinvent Gene Roddenberry’s legacy. I don’t give a hoot what the negative mob think, it is a TV show; I think they should stop watching it! Star Trek Discovery rules and I am so happy with the way the guys have reinvented this universe I love. Live long and prosper and hail season one part two!

    • Snap

      It’s great that you love it, I enjoy it as well but aside from those who are obviously hating it for the sake of hating it, every opinion is valid whether it is a supporting opinion or a critical opinion. People only bother to critique because they love the franchise.

      I’m not sure if you are lumping anybody who voices a critical opinion as a “detractor” or “negative mob” but just keep in mind that being critical and hating on the show are two entirely different concepts. I’ve been critical, but if I hated the show there’s no way I would waste my time watching it just to say it sucks.

      • Turd Ferguson’s Doggy

        Yup. I think an honest person who comes at it with objectivity will never fall into the love or hate category. I, for instance, find things I like and dislike about it that leads be to have a personal approval rating for the show of about 55-60%. I always feel like those who just love or hate every aspect just aren’t really paying much attention to what is actually being put on screen. It’s more about them having set out their stall early and being unwilling to budge.

  • Victorinox

    A few random comments.

    I don’t think I was able to identify L’Rell directly in the torture scenes. Perhaps I need to watch again, but if she is not there, then the story of Tyler surviving due to L’Rell’s interest in him could still work. She saw him being tortured, and then decided to keep him for herself. Unfortunately, it seems more likely that Tyler’s memories are simply mixed. That he was Voq when nailing LRell, and then went through that body changing surgery to turn him into a sleeping agent.

    To be honest, I’d be really disappointed if it is the latter. It is a plot “twist” that everybody saw a mile away, and would rob us of the few humanizing moments that Burnham has actually had in the show. Count me as one of those annoyed with the never ending trend of JJ Abrams’s “mystery box”. It is never a mystery, and the punchline is usually pretty lame (i.e. Cumberbatch being Khan, Han Solo dying, etc.)

    Also, one of the big promises of the show was that we would go deep into the Klingons. Other than mentioning that there are 24 houses, this show has added nothing to our understanding of the Klingons.

    They already said that season 2 will not be about the Klingons. And we know episode 10 will be perhaps in the Mirror Universe. So they have 5 episodes to show some meat on the Klingons, which honestly is highly unlikely at this point. I love the show, but this is a big missed opportunity.

    • DataMat

      Honestly, this is an ongoing serialised show. The klingon war may not be the focus of Season 2 but I strongly believe that the Klingons will still be featuring regardless.

      • TUP

        I wish Kol had survived for that reason as I really liked him! But I guess Kor would be his little brother right? No wonder he dislikes the federation so much.

    • TUP

      Its not a plot twist everyone saw a mile away. It only seems that way because of the actor playing both roles.

      • I agree, and no one even knew that for a while, we only suspected it a few Eps in.

      • Victorinox

        Regardless of the info around the actor (there is nothing wrong with a guy playing two roles, ST artists have done that more times than I can count), the “clues” were everywhere starting on episode 3.

        Anyway, I hope Tyler is not Voq. Also, I sincerely hope Klingons grow hair lol. With long hair they basically look pretty close to the TNG era Klingons.

        • kadajawi

          Interesting to see them with hair, but I still don’t think they look like Klingons. Put the image on the right next to TNG era Klingons. The whole eye area, the nose, the skin color… everything is very different. TNG era Klingons have a very thick forehead, like some extra armor protecting their head and some rather recessed eyes. Here the forehead is way back, almost like with humans, and the eyes are much more up front. The nose is also much bigger, with what looks like a nose over a nose. It’s a cool design, but it just doesn’t feel Klingon.

          • TUP

            There have been numerous changes to Klingons over the years. So they look like Klingons as much as any of the others.

          • kadajawi

            Well, yes, but those were very subtle changes, apart from the one from TOS to TMP. Ever since TMP all Klingons look like they belong to one species. Differences, yes, but one species. Like all Porsche 911 look similar… different, but similar. The DSC Klingons however look more like… say a Mercedes-AMG GT vs the Porsche 911 Klingons. The general shape is similar, some features are very similar, but it still doesn’t look related. The difference between DSC Klingons and TMP/TNG/DS9 Klingons is like between TOS Klingons and either… at least. I’d say perhaps even more so. Heck, they are as much a new species as the Ferengi are.

            As much as I try, even with hair on, I have a very hard time of seeing the similarities, while with all the other Klingons I have to actually look closely to notice the changes.

      • Locutus

        They probably should have actually had a different actor play Voq. If the Lt. Tyler thing is true, it’s a painfully obvious way to telegraph it.

        • TUP

          I disagree. And I think some people are sort of mad at themselves for figuring it out (or at least suspecting). Mysteries are meant to have clues that make sense. Its easy to make everything a surprise if all the clues or plot developments make absolutely no sense.

          In this case, yeah, they could have used a different actor because of the heavy make up. But its truer to the story because it IS the same actor so the idea of surgery or whatever they do makes sense in-universe because essentially its the same body underneath.

          Creative “swerves” are meant to make sense when the dots are connected.

          Watch the Sixth Sense. Sure, everyone claims they knew but no one knew until the end. But if you knew and you watched it you’d say “God, they should have had him wear a different shirt”.

          • Snap

            The only problem with the surgery angle is, in the context of the show, it doesn’t make sense. They have gone out of their way to make the Klingons even more alien to humans that, really, the only similarity is they are humanoid.

            The Klingon organ placement isn’t the same as humans, and that’s not even factoring in the numerous redundancies of Klingon anatomy and now they have the ridiculous elongated skulls which must serve a biological purpose other than “just because” so… larger heads must mean larger brains. So, cutting off a quarter to a third of Voq’s head means his brain has to go somewhere.

            Then there is us seeing Tyler in sickbay with his vitals being displayed on the monitor. You can suspend disbelief enough to (barely) accept that a Klingon anatomy could be reworked to remove the redundancies and mimic the placement of human organs with surgery, but that suspension of disbelief is broken when you are expected to believe BS like body temperature, blood pressure and the chemical composition of the body, just to name a few, can be magically changed by cutting off some ridges and adding hair.

            I don’t think The Sixth Sense makes for a good comparison, because they’re not expecting you to believe one character is an entirely different species with a completely different physiology. It has been years since I have seen the movie, but from what I remember of it it does not insult your intelligence by playing against the twist only to say “Psych!” We fooled you!” The dots are clearly laid out in the movie and hidden in plain sight, which are either evident from the start or on a second viewing after the twist is revealed.

            The whole Voq is Ash thing falls apart from a logical standpoint because they introduced him as a cellmate of Harry Mudd, who was all too eager to air Lorca’s dirty laundry yet he doesn’t call BS on Tyler’s claim to have been there for 7 months?

            This is getting a bit too long, so I’ll end it here.

          • TUP

            I don’t disagree. It will be interesting to see what they do. I can suspend disbelief as long as it’s good!

    • kadajawi

      I agree with much of what you said. What we have seen of the Klingons so far show yet another type of Klingons, that are not really like the other Klingons we’ve seen so far (I’d go so far as to say if we weren’t told they were Klingons, but a different, new species, no one would have ever guessed they were Klingons). Not by the ships, not by the makeup, not by their behavior.

      That’s why I’m conflicted. I would have loved to find out more about the Klingons. I would have loved to have a proper, long, intense arc about the Klingon war. But they were realized so bad that I’m actually glad if I’ll never see a Klingon again.

      Come to think of it the show seems rushed in terms of plot. It’s trying to get from A to Z in virtually no time at all. Much like the DCEU.

    • I’m wondering if something else is going on. Many Americans have been suspicious of Muslims for awhile, and men who LOOK as if they MIGHT be Muslim have been harassed at airports, followed on the street, and treated badly, even though most American Muslims are perfectly ordinary citizens, just like everybody else. The writers of Discovery are interested in giving the show some social commentary.

      Shazad Latif looks like the kind of man who is getting harassed on “suspicion of being Muslim” these days. What if the writers left a trail of breadcrumbs to make us THINK that Tyler was probably Voq, when he’s actually an innocent man who has already been through hell by being in Klingon custody for 7 months? The entire fandom is suspicious of this man who’s been tortured and raped, and won’t we feel bad if the poor guy is exactly who he seems to be?

      What if that suspicion IS the point? Perhaps the whole thread is a subtle attempt to make Americans re-think their reflexive suspicion of men who look like Shazad Latif?

  • Captain Lorca, Section 31

    Agent G. Lorca, personal log:

    It was very odd to be in the ship graveyard again, where the battle took place. I hated having to pretend I did not know where we were. Thankfully, Saru was not looking over my shoulder like he usually does when I manually changed the jump destination. Now I will have to focus and pretend I have no idea what the Terran Empire is. I never lied to the Admirals – we have always needed the spore drive to defeat the Klingons. I just omitted it could be in another dimension. I have to keep Burnham safe, she is the key to everything. Everyone is expendable compared to her. Even Voq.

    I will never give up the spore drive – even if it drives me mad – or kills me.

    • Locutus

      I’d be interested to learn Lorca’s thoughts as to why Burnham is so important. He did seem protective of her in this episode. Unfortunately, she seems pretty expendable at this point.

      • Captain Lorca, Section 31

        Agent G. Lorca: personal log:

        I still have never forgiven myself for losing my universe’s Burnham. I remembered every moment of her screams as the ship burned around us. Even weeks in the punishment chamber that left permanent scars did not break my resolve to make this situation right. Now that I have secured the Federation version of Discovery in the name of Section 31, the Terran Empire will use this weapon to remove the scourge of the Klingon invasion.

  • FrostUK

    I like how all the Klingons saluted before the ship blew up.

  • Fiery Little One

    L’Rell and Tyler: I’m not sure what her deal is, but I’m sure Tyler’s on the level.

    Lorca and the failed jump: I can see there being a case for him screwing around to make it fail, but I think it was just weird timing. He may have faked his way through his psych evals to get another command, but I think he was legitimately just as confused as everybody else.

    Stamets: … I hope he recovers.

    • Victorinox

      I don’t think the Lorca thing was just timing. Encrypted navigation override with coordinates “unknown”? Hmm… He may not have chosen the particular destination they ended up at, but he definitively wasn’t going to any Starbase.

      • Fiery Little One

        Fair point.

      • I do not think he meant to go where it went though, maybe.

      • Captain Lorca, Section 31

        How did you obtain this image.

    • Locutus

      I wonder if we will get a Gary Mitchell scenario with Stamets. However, I hope he pulls through as well.

      • Fiery Little One

        That is one way they could go, yes, but I think they would have telegraphed that at the end of the episode with giving him the silver eye look.

        • Locutus

          Well, the white-eyed look is pretty close! It definitely seemed like a homage to the silver eyes if nothing else.

          • Fiery Little One

            … Eh, I suppose.

          • Snap

            I don’t know, it definitely came across more as a result of the spore drive malfunction. Remember, Geordi had white eyes to display his blindness. I don’t get a Gary Mitchell vibe from it at all.

        • TUP

          I was thinking the same thing. if it was meant to be a Gary Mitchell scenario, they would have done the eyes the same. One thing…the eye issue that Lorca has, are his meds to keep his eyes from looking like Stamets??? (some related issue?)

          • Fiery Little One

            Since they’ve never *really* explained how it happened aside from it was during the loss of the Buran, anything is possible.

  • WonkyB

    Any bets the Discovery just jumped into the mirror universe?
    Lorca mentioned about his jump mapping and connection to parallel universes.

    • TUP

      That seems to be the consensus. I wonder how much speculation there would be if Frakes hadnt let that slip (unless he was toying with fans).

    • PJ

      Mirror universes and time travel are a total snoozefest. Used more than only very sparingly, they just scream to me that the regular universe and setting for a show isn’t good enough, so the producers are having to fall back on extreme, wacky, off the wall alterations instead.

      • Snap

        Yeah. I wouldn’t be opposed to a parallel universe excursion much further into Discovery’s run but, after less than a dozen episodes it seems way too soon. The fun part about seeing alternate versions of the characters is to see them played in different ways than normal. We’re essentially still getting to know our characters.

  • kadajawi

    Hm. The episode was fine, though as usual the space battles are as underwhelming as they can get.

    I thought it was a bit… strange how the number of jumps on screen went up much faster than verbally. Also, if you want to hide something on an enemy ship, and you need to place it on the bridge, here’s a hint: Make the thing not emit a pulsating, blue light (Klingons are rather… red). And it perhaps shouldn’t make a sound. And maybe, just maybe, remove the Federation logo? Like, try to disguise it? They’ve got replicators. Cover it up.

    Anyway… the episode. It wasn’t too memorable. Decent, but not tense. And what I find most frustrating of all is that this was the Klingon war arc? Really? This was the reason why the show was set in 2256? And it’s 2, 3 little skirmishes (shot in a boring way), and not epic at all? Look at DS9. We had a few seasons of build up to the war. It gets more and more intense, there’s another war happening in between (with the Klingons, nonetheless, and it was glorious!), and then full scale war. With death. Destruction. Suffering. The horrors of war. Good men doing terrible things. And lots and lots of spectacular, exciting, beautiful battles.

    Then there’s DSC, with a handful of episodes even touching the war. Why wasn’t this done bigger? Remember we were promised to see almost as much of the Klingons as of the Federation? It didn’t look like that now. Ok, the Klingons are terrible, and maybe the writers have realized that and wrote away a lot of what was originally planned. But boy, if they instead had gone to their lockers and taken out the original Klingon masks and designs, perhaps switched to English (I love how they speak English with a Klingon accent).

    But from what I can see so far the reason why DSC is set in 2256 is the Klingon war arc. For that they have sacrificed visual continuity, and are struggling hard to make a show that is both modern enough for current audiences while close enough to how the show looked 50 years ago, even though in universe that is supposed to be 10 years from now (so it should be more advanced). And many fans (according to surveys) wanted to see a show set AFTER DS9/VOY. Instead, just because of the Klingon war arc, they loaded themselves up with a ton of problems that really hurt the show. And then the arc itself is done in a few episodes, and absolutely underwhelming? Good lord. It should have been 3 seasons. It should have the time to play out. We didn’t need to see much of the Klingons, if they were bad, but…

    Overall the show feels like it was meant to be something, but when more and more information was released they got cold feet by the shit storm the makers and the studio were hit with. And then they moved away from the original plan. DSC was supposed to be serialized. But really it’s more episodic than season 7 of DS9. It’s one of the more episodic shows on streaming platforms, IMHO. All the Marvel TV shows on Netflix play much more like a long movie. One big arc. DSC is standalone episodes with some connective tissue in the background (and a lack of dementia… I’m looking at you, VOY!), nothing we haven’t already seen in the 90s with Babylon 5 and DS9.

    I loved the second Mudd episode. The first was good too. And there were a few other decent episodes, but I can hardly remember them now. With Orville I can remember almost all episodes. There’s the one in the intergalactic zoo. The one on the generation ship. The one set on a dystopian social media world. The pilot of course, with a time altering device. The one with Charlize Theron as a captain the crew rescues. The one that’s basically The Naked Now done right. The one about transgender, sex change and society. Also the last Orville episode I’ve watched had a short battle scene, and it was glorious. Exciting. Fun. Engaging. Everything the scenes on DSC never were.

    Both shows have improved a lot and are absolutely worth watching, but DSC is much more frustrating. It has great potential but keeps missing the mark for me.

    I hope the second half improves a lot, and I really hope the war arc is done with. And that we get to see true Klingons. etc.

  • PJ

    I’m completely fine with so much focus on Lorca…providing he doesn’t ultimately end up being one of the bad guys. He can be complicated, no problem. But to emotionally invest in a captain and crew, and then you show him being someone who you were tricked into thinking was one of that ‘family’, That’d be just too un Star Trekian for me to ever accept. Writers: PLEASE don’t ever do that just for the sake of having a major plot twist.